♪ Wanna look, wanna let you see ♪ ♪ Wanna speak, wanna let you say ♪ ♪ Run it back, same as before - Punk rock was really sort of a, a dissatisfaction about rock and roll.

It became one thing, or it became a narrower thing.

And it was at the exclusion of anything else.

♪ Enemy Man, Enemy Man, Enemy Because you were passionate about music.

We were passionate about music, you got angry, passion, anger, there was punk rock, there you go.

♪ Here comes one single warning ♪ ♪ Coming to you, come over the way ♪ - Formed in 1976, the same year that the Sex Pistols and the Ramones released their first singles, Cinecyde were, depending who you ask, Detroit's first punk band.

- We thought we were completely alone.

Detroit was filled with cover bands.

Just doing rock and roll covers It just wasn't what I was looking for.

It wasn't a good enough kick.

- Decided to make a record, Gutless Radio, which is sort of any anthem against radio at the time.

♪ We don't fucking know gutless radio ♪ ♪ We don't like the things we hear ♪ - As we discovered that there were some other things going on in other parts of the country, or other parts of the world, you would get wind of, some sort of underground band or something.

And there was just no possibility that they would play any of that stuff.

I mean, it was sort of brash, I mean most bands in rock and roll would be, I wannna be signed.

I want the industry to love me.

In our case it was, we were, sort of just slamming.

Slamming the industry with the idea that it would be, that we would do it yourself.

We would issue our own records and things.

♪ I ♪ Still ♪ Love you - They were one of the central bands and what became by the early eighties, a thriving, eclectic, fiercely independent punk scene in Detroit.

- All the clubs, and there were a lot of them, that were doing punk.

They were full like every night.

It didn't matter who played.

In fact, a lot of, kids would go to the bars, just because they knew something was gonna go on there.

- It was an eclectic scene.

So, there's a nice spectrum of bands.

It wasn't one thing.

It was, it could be bands that were very roots oriented, or it could be bands that were, more rock and roll, a little electronica, kind of stuff was sneaking in there.

But you know it all, I seem to, the commonality was, it had to be a little raw, had to have a little bit of an edge.

- 45 years later, Cinecyde are still going strong, are still totally DIY and just released their 8th album with the Pulp Sci-fi inspired title track, Vegetable or Thing.

♪ Chuck it out ♪ What's the first mistake - This is a project that we worked on for a while, actually before the pandemic and then finished it up during the pandemic.

Chris Gerard was in the band and played bass with us and we recorded a lot of that with him in the band and then he had health troubles and Chris went on his hiatus and we always thought that he would end up back in the band, but things did turn for the worst and he died.

Just an amazing, amazing guy, a beautiful soul, a great creator.

He always had an innovative and interesting way to look at things.

Maybe two thirds of the record was, with Chris or something was close to being done but we kept putting it off and putting it off.

We were mixing and things during the COVID thing.

So essentially, we just stayed safe and tried to be safe, but I thought we have to release this.

We're not going to, we're not gonna not release it, and we're just gonna have to try different things like, - Maybe we can do our re-release.

When the bars are open.

♪ We are rock and roll gutless radio ♪ ♪ When our rock (inaudible) - So being in the independent music scene, the detroit punk scene for just about 45 years, how have you seen the scene change and how was your approach to making punk rock change?

- I don't know that I can say anything about a scene.

I'm always interested in what's going on in Detroit.

There's a load of great musicians, load of great people, creating and making music and stuff.

I mean, it's through all these different eras, through the eighties, nineties, two thousands, now.

I think that detroit is sort of underplayed.

It doesn't get the exposure that it should.

- Has your approach to writing punk rock changed.

is it still the same sensibility?

The same spirit?

- I mean, Cinecyde is Cinecyde, and it has a specific kind of sound but I would say we evolve every every time, every song.

♪ (rock music) - To me, punk was just about getting back to a roots, stripping music down and being well, being fun.

Yes, being aggressive, it could be.

But also, respecting and understanding those roots, and those roots could be anything from a some of the garage band sounds of 65, 66, or it could be rockabilly from the 50's.

X from Los Angeles, of course, I always appreciated The Cramps or it could be, Hank Williams or Johnny Cash, it could be any of that kind of stuff that you're bringing, bringing to a simplicity and a more directness.

The music it just, for me, it just plays in my head, so it plays in your head and then you just kind of, try to work it out on an instrument and then boom, there it is.

Maybe, for us, maybe for me, it's just, it's my personality.

♪ They found in town in a frozen lake ♪ ♪ Chuck it out ♪ What's the first mistake ♪ When did all it killed them all ♪ ♪ The plant dead hers there's a flipper call ♪ ♪ Vegetable or Thing ♪ You came down from the outer space ♪ ♪ Wants to kill the the human race ♪ ♪ It changes shape and fulls us all ♪ ♪ (inaudible) ♪ (inaudible) ♪ Round and round and round we go ♪ ♪ Where it stops?

No one knows.

♪ ♪ Out to take over the whole world.

♪ ♪ (inaudible) ♪ (inaudible) ♪ It came down from outer space ♪ ♪ Wants to kill the human race ♪ It changes shape and fulls us all ♪ ♪ (inaudible) ♪ (inaudible)