>> Ted: REACTION FROM THE CITY OF SEDONA CUTTING TIES WITH THE CITY AND ALSO TONIGHT, FORMER PHOENIX MAYOR, PHIL GORDON TO TALK ABOUT HIS VISION IS A BUSTLING REALITY.

AND THE ANIMAL WELFARE TO FOCUS ON VETERINARY CARE.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

TEMPE VOTERS WILL DECIDE ON A $2.1 BILLION HOCKEY ARENA.

THE PROJECT IS PROPOSED TO GO IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF PRIEST AND RIO SALADO PARKWAY AND TEMPE VOTERS ARE ASKED TO PASS THIS TO BE A REALITY.

BALLOTS CAN BE DROPPED OFF AND MUST BE DROPPED OFF BY 7:00 THIS EVENING.

>>> PRESIDENT BIDEN TODAY VETOED A RESOLUTION TO REINSTATE TARIFFS PRODUCED IN CAM CAMBODIA, MAYLASIA AND TAIWAN.

THE TARIFFS ARE CURRENTLY SUSPENDED AND THE PRESIDENT SAID THEY WANTS TO REIMPOSE TARIFFS NEXT YEAR.

UNTIL THEN, HE WANTS TO GIVE AMERICAN MANUFACTURERS TIME TO RAMP UP EIGHT-FOLD INCREASE IN AMERICAN MADE PANELS IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

>>> SCIENCE NOTE, THE JAMES WEBB TELESCOPE MADE ANOTHER DISCOVERY WITH VAPOR ON A COM COMET IN THE MAIN ASTEROID BELT.

THE FINDINGS SUGGEST THAT WATER OR ICE CAN BE PRESERVED IN A WARMER PART OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM AFTER 15 YEARS TO STUDY THE ASTEROID USING A VARIETY OF OBSERVATION METHODS.

>>> AND A TIGER CUB SEIZED IN TUCSON HAS FOUND A NEW HOME.

INDY IS LIVING LARGE AT THE WILDCAT SANCTUARY.

IT WAS IN JANUARY WHEN TUCSON POLICE ARRESTED A MAN TO SELL IT TO UNDERCOVER OFFICERS FOR $20,000.

THAT CUB IS FIVE MONTHS OLD AND INDY WILL LIVE IN A HEATED INDOOR BEDROOM, TUBS TO SWIM IN AND CAVES TO EXPLORE.

WILDLIFE SANCTUARIES TAKES IN BIG CATS FROM HIGH PROFILE CASES.

>>> AS WE HEARD LAST NIGHT, THE SEVERE TOESEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND TOURISM BUREAU HAS SEVERED THE CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA AND THE CHAMBER FEELS ITS EXPERTISE IS NOT UTILIZED TO BALANCE THE ECONOMY AND THE ENVIRONMENT AND LOCAL QUALITY OF LIFE.

WE HEARD FROM THE CHAMBER LAST NIGHT.

TONIGHT, WE HEAR THE OTHER SIDE AND HERE WE'RE JOINED BY THE CITY MANAGER, KAREN OSBOURN AND YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE CHAMBER SEVERING TIES?

>> ANYONE WHO HEARD THE CONVERSATIONS OVER THE TWO ISN'T PARTICULARLY SURPRISED BY THE FACT THAT WE HAVE FINALLY COME TO THIS POINT WHERE WE'RE WE NEEDNEED TO PART WAYS.

THERE WERE JUST MANY LEVELS WHERE OUR INTERESTS AND OUR GOALS DID NOT ALIGN.

SO THAT HAS MORPHED OVER TIME, BUT AT THIS POINT, I THINK THIS IS THE BEST THING FOR BOTH THE CITY AS AN ORGANIZATION AS WELL AS THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

>> Ted: WHAT ARE THE CITY'S INTERESTS AND HOW ARE THEY NOT ALIGNING WITH THE CHAMBER?

>> WHEN WE AS A CITY ENTERED INTO A DESTINATION PROMOTION CONTRACT WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, ALLOCATING TAX IN ORDER TO MARKET THE DESTINATION, IT WAS COMING OUT OF THE GREAT RECESSION.

THERE WAS AN ECONOMIC NEED AND INTEREST IN PROMOTING OUR DESTINATION TO TRAVELERS.

IN THE COURSE OF THE LAST EIGHT OR NINE OR SO YEARS SINCE WE HAD DONE THAT, THINGS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY IN OUR COMMUNITY AS A DESTINATION.

WE SAW THE SENATE BILL 1350 WHICH PREEMPTED CITY'S ABILITY TO PROHIBIT SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND WE'VE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE UNIT CONVERT TO AIRBNB'S AND THAT HAS BASICALLY DOUBLED OR MORE THAN DOUBLED THE CAPACITY OF THE HOTEL ROOMS THAT EXISTED IF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND OPENED UP AN ABILITY FOR MANY MORE VISITORS TO COME AND STAY HERE.

WE SAW COVID HAPPEN AND PIPE PEOPLE WERE SEEKING AN OUTDOOR DESTINATION WHICH WE HAVE IN SPACE.

WE SAW OUR VISITATION ABSOLUTELY EXPAND KIND OF THROUGH THE ROOF IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

SO THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE SAW WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER OVERTOURISM.

WE REACHED THE TIPPING POINT WHERE IT WAS NO LONGER WHERE THERE WAS ANY KIND OF BALANCE BETWEEN VISITOR EXPERIENCE AND QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

SO WE ARE A RURAL DESTINATION AND LIMITED IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, A FEW ROWS IN AND OUT AND WAYS TO MOVE AROUND AND WE SIMPLY HAD TOO MANY PEOPLE FOR OUR REFRIGERATOR STRUCTURE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT.

>> Ted: THE CHAMBER SAYS IT'S ALMOST AS IF YOU'RE DISCOURAGING TOURISM AND YOU'RE HURTING BUSINESSES, THE HOTELS AND THESE SORTS OF THINGS AND HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

>> I THINK WE CERTAINLY NEEDED A MARKETING PAUSE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN THEY MADE THAT DECISION.

QUITE FRANKLY, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE PARTIALLY MUTUALLY AGREED THAT AND RECOGNIZED TO START TO FOCUS MORE ON MANAGEMENT OF VISITORS, MITIGATION OF THE TAX RATHER THAN SIMPLY A COME ONE, COME ALL APPROACH IN TERMS OF VISITORS.

WE NEEDED OUR ABILITY TO MANAGE, TO CATCH WARM UP I THE NUMBER OF VISITORS HERE.

WE HAVE SEEN A BIT OF A DIP AND OUR LEVELS AT 2021 AND 2022 FAR EXCEEDED OUR ABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE VISITORS.

SO THE FACT THAT TOURISM MAY BE LEVELING OFF OR MAY BE RECEDING JUST A LITTLE BIT IS ACTUALLY, I THINK, A BLESSING FROM OUR STANDPOINT TO MANAGE, PARTICULARLY THINGS LIKE TRAFFIC, THE IMPACT TO TRAILS AND SO FORTH.

BUT ALSO OUR RESIDENT'S ABILITY TO COEXIST WITH TOURISM.

>> Ted: IS THERE A WAY, THOUGH, TO GET THE TOURISM LEVELS MANAGEABLE TO GET PEOPLE UP THERE THAT DON'T JUST GO TRAIPSING OFF AND BOTTLING UP TRAFFIC THAT STAY FOR A DAY, A WEEK OR SOMETHING ALONG THESE LINES AND HELP THE HOTELS OR RESTAURANTS OR IS THIS BASICALLY A CHANGING NATURE OF TOURISM WE'RE SEEING IN SEDONA?

>> I SURE HOPE THERE ARE WAYS TO BETTER ACHIEVE BALANCE.

WHEN THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, WHICH IS A MEMBERSHIP-DRIVEN, MEMBERSHIP-BASED ORGANIZATION WHO HAS AN OBLIGATION TO THEIR MEMBER, THEIR MEMBER BUSINESSES, THAT IS A DIFFERENT INTEREST THAN THE CITY HAS, WHICH IS TO ACHIEVE A BETTER BALANCE.

TO HAVE FOLKS AT THE TABLE FOR THIS CONVERSATION THAT REPRESENT RESIDENT INTERESTS, THAT REPRESENT ENVIRONMENTAL INTERESTS, THAT REPRESENT STEWARDSHIP OF THE LAND AS WELL AS THE BUSINESS INTEREST.

WE WANT TO CREATE A PROGRAM AROUND TOURISM THAT IN OUR -- YOU KNOW, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IS A MORE BALANCED ONE.

>> Ted: WITH THE CHAMBER NOW GOING OFF ON ITS OWN, THEY'LL DO PUBLIC PRIVATE KIND OF THINGS AND DO THEIR THING SEPARATE AND APART FROM YOU GUYS.

ARE YOU CONCERNED?

>> SO THE CITY DID DECIDE TO BECOME THE DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION OFFICIALLY FOR OUR AREA AND WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED WITH THAT.

I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THAT WE WOULDN'T BE WORKING AT CROSS PURPOSES WITH EACH OTHER.

I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT THEIR NEXT STEPS ARE IN TERMS OF PROMOTION OF TOURISM.

WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO COORDINATE SO THAT WE CAN COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER FOR OUR DESTINATION, THE BRANDING THAT WE INTEND TO DO, WHICH WILL FOCUS A LOT AROUND STEWARD SHIP AND ENVIRONMENTAL RESPONSIBILITY AND BECOMING AND MAIN TANG A MAINTAINING A DESTINATION.

>> Ted: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

MY PLEASURE.

>> Ted: FORMER PHOENIX MAYOR, HOW HIS VISION FOR DOWNTOWN IS NOW A REALITY.

>> A DOWNTOWN ASU DORM WAS RECENTLY RENAMED FOR PHOENIX MAYOR, PHIL DOOR GORDON.

HERE NOW TO TALK ABOUT THE TRANSFORMATION OF DOWNTOWN PHOENIX IS FORMER PHOENIX MAYOR, PHIL GORDON.

HOW ARE YOU DOING?

>> A LOT BETTER THAN BEFORE.

I CAME DOWN WITH CANCER LIKE SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE AND GREAT DOCTORS AND A LOT OF LOVE FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE, FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES.

SO I'M GETTING THERE.

>> Ted: GOOD TO SEE YOU AND HAVE YOU HERE.

ASU DORM NAMED "GORDON," GORDON COMMONS AND WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I WAS SURPRISED WHEN THEY TOLDTOLD ME THEY WERE GOING TO DO THAT.

WHEN WE FIRST MET, NOBODY WANTED TO BE DOWNTOWN.

I KNEW THEN AS I KNOW NOW THAT A CITY CAN BE GREAT AND LIKE THE HEART OF A BODY, NOT BEATING STRONG AND THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO BE BEATING STRONG AND CERTAINLY THE DOWNTOWN IS BEATING STRONG.

>> Ted: IT SURE IS.

DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE AREA WAS LIKE BEFORE ALL OF THIS HAPPENED.

>> YOU DIDN'T WANT TO BE WALKING AT NIGHT, ESPECIALLY, AND ON WEEKENDS.

>> Ted: IT'S STILL A LITTLE DIZZYING NOW.

IT'S STILL IMPOSSIBLE TO REMEMBER WHAT WAS AT THAT CORNER, BECAUSE IT'S CHANGED SO MUCH.

>> THE WHOLE DOWNTOWN REALLY HAS CHANGED.

I LIKE TO SAY THERE WAS ONE COFFEE SHOP IN THE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN SINCE I WAS KNOWN FOR GOING THERE FOR COFFEE AND THAT CLOSED AT 3:00 MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND NOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S RESTAURANTS AND ARTS AND CULTURE AND BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL HIGH-RISES.

>> Ted: HOW AND WHEN DID THE IDEA OF ASU, DOWNTOWN PHOENIX, HOW THAT GET STARTED?

>> I DID A LOT OF READING BEFORE I RAN FOR MAYOR AND OVER THE YEARS, A LOT OF US HAVE TRIED TO MAKE DOWNTOWN A SUCCESSFUL DOWNTOWN.

AND IT WAS EITHER NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE LIVING IN IT OR NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE WORKING IN IT OR NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE COMING AND STAYING AFTER THE CULTURAL EVENTS.

SO WHAT I DECIDED, DR. CROW WAS RELATIVELY NEW AND PHOENIX WAS THE ONLY MAJOR CITY IN THE COUNTRY THAT DIDN'T HAVE A UNIVERSITY IN ITS CITY AT THE TIME AND CERTAINLY IN ITS DOWNTOWN.

AND IT MADE SENSE FOR ME BECAUSE BRINGING A UNIVERSITY DOWNTOWN AUTOMATICALLY WITH PEOPLE LIVING AND WORKING AND NOT ONLY THE STUDENTS AND FACULTY BUT ALL OF THE THE SUBSIDIARY SUPPORT SYSTEMS THAT WERE NEEDED.

AND SO, RIGHT BEFORE I RAN FOR MAYOR OR THE ELECTION WAS OVER, I MET WITH DR. CROW AND GAVE HIM MY VISION AND THERE WAS TWO ADVANTAGES.

DR. CROW HIMSELF WHO, TO SAY THE LEAST, SLIGHTLY CREATIVE IN HIS THINKING AND HE JUMPED ON IT.

BUT HE SAID, COME BACK AFTER THE ELECTION, WIN OR LOSE, AND WE'LL START TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.

AND SO, AFTER THE ELECTION RIGHT AWAY, I CALLED HIM UP AND WE MET AT THE CENTRAL AND CAMELBACK AT A BREAKFAST PLACE AND OVER A NAPKIN, WE DESIGNED THE CAMPUS.

>> Ted: MY GOODNESS.

>> BECAUSE DOWNTOWN HAD ALL OF THE ELEMENTS NEEDED FOR A UNIVERSITY.

>> Ted: WHY DOWNTOWN AND MAYBE NOT A MIDTOWN OR UPTOWN NEAR THAT COFFEE SHOP WHERE YOU MET DR. CROW?

>> AGAIN, A CITY CAN'T BE HEALTHY WITHOUT A HEALTHY DOWNTOWN?

A PROVEN FACT OVER THE YEARS THROUGHOUT THE URBAN CORES OF CITIES.

TWO, DOWNTOWN HAD EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR A COMPLETE EDUCATIONAL CAREER.

IT HAD THE MEDIA AND IT HAD THE BANKING AND THE GOVERNMENT AND SOCIAL SERVICES ALL IN A COMPACT AREA.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT HAD A LOT OF VACANT LAND OR BUILDINGS.

WE'RE ABLE TO ASSEMBLE ENOUGH NEEDED PROPERTY OR READAPTITY USE THAT INSTANTLY CREATED A DOWNTOWN CAMPUS.

BUT A CAMPUS THAT WASN'T WALLED OFF, SAY LIKE GEORGETOWN AND MORE LIKE A CITY THAT HAD AN URBAN CORE WHERE PEOPLE WOULD ENJOY IT OR PEOPLE WOULD WALK, SO YOU COULDN'T TELL OTHER THAN THE NAME ON A BUILDING, WHETHER IT WAS AN ASU BUILDING OR PRIVATE BUILDING.

>> Ted: WAS THERE A MOMENT YOU KNEW THINGS WERE HAPPENING?

>> THE FIRST IMPORTANT STEP WAS HOW WE WOULD PAY FOR IT.

AND I REMEMBER THEN, THE CITY MANAGER, FRANK FAIRBANKS, SAID, OK, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS WOULD WORK, BUT YOU'RE THE MAYOR AND IT'S A CREATIVE VISION.

WHAT WE HAD PLANNED OUT WAS IMMEDIATE RETURNS, MIDTERM RETURNS AND LONG-TERM RETURNS SO PEOPLE COULD SEE THE CAMPUS DEVELOPED.

>> Ted: WHERE DOES ALL OF THIS GO FROM HERE?

>> NOW I THINK WE'VE GOT TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS.

NUMBER ONE, IT DOESN'T SOUND IMPORTANT, BUT IT IS AND WE HAVE TO LEARN TO PRESERVE A LOT OF OUR MIDCENTURY AND OUR OLDER BUILDINGS THAT ARE STILL LEFT BECAUSE THAT'S THE CULTURE, THE HISTORY, THE WORKMANSHIP THAT YOU REALLY CAN'T FIND IN TODAY'S BUILDINGS.

TWO IS, WE HAVE NEW CHALLENGES AND WE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL HIGHRISES NOW AND WE HAVE A LOT OF RETAIL AND NOW WE NEED MORE BUSINESSES TO BE COMING BACK TO DOWNTOWN.

SO, THAT MARKET IS REALLY A MARKET THAT IS WIDE OPEN FOR DEVELOPMENT.

>> Ted: LAST QUESTION, WHERE DOES PHIL GORDON GO FROM HERE IN.

>> FILLPHIL GOR DON GORDON RIGHT NOW IS GETTING HEALTHY.

I THINK TODAY WE NEED TO MOVE ON AND WE HAVE A GREAT MAYOR DOING A GOOD JOB AND HER VISION IS TO HELP TO WORK ON THE HOMELESS PROBLEM THAT'S FACING ALL CITIES NOW.

AND PARTICULARLY FEES.

PHOENIX.

>> Ted: BEST OF LUCK TO YOU AND IT'S A LEGACY TO YOU AND THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, TED.

>> Ted: THETHE ANIMAL WELFARE LEAGUE IS REBRANDING ITSELF AND THIS WILL EMPHASIZE THE SHELTER'S INCREASING ACCESS TO PET HEALTH RESOURCES IN ALL COMMUNITIES.

ALESSANDRA NAVIDAD IS THE CEO OF AAWL AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

WE HAVE A COUPLE OF FRIENDS.

>> WE HAVE FROTO AND PIPPIN.

THEY WERE DROPPED OFF IN OUR LOBBY AND THEY'RE WAITING FOR SURGERY SO THEY'RE ALMOST TWO POUNDS.

>> Ted: OH, MY GOONESS.

GOODNESS.

WHAT IS AAWL?

>> ARIZONA ANIMAL WELFARE LEAGUE AND NO KILL SHELTER IN THE LEAGUE AND LOOK AT HIM, READY TO GO AND PROVIDING -- WE ADOPT OUT FOUR THOUSAND OF THESE LITTLE GUYS IN A YEAR AND WE'RE A COMMUNITY SHELTER AND ALL SUPPORT FROM YOU.

>> Ted: REBRANDING AND WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> THIS IS ABOUT WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE STAND FOR AND OUR VALUES AND AS AN ORGANIZATION, WE WANT A BRAND AND A LOGO THAT REPRESENTS WHO WE ARE AND THIS WAS THE YEAR WE WERE FOUNDED, 1971 AND A DOG AND A CAT THAT ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE, THE DOGS AND CATS AT THE SHELTER.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE AWAY, MOVE TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT'S MORE REFLECTIVE OF WHO WE ARE.

WE WANTED A LOGO THAT WAS APPROACHABLE AND WELCOMING AND THESE ARE THE AT ATTRIBUTES LIKE PEOPLE, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUTASMABOUTAAWL, AN ORGANIZATION HERE TO SERVE BOTH ANIMALS AND THE PEOPLE WHO LOVE THEM.

>> Ted: I'M TRYING TO SETTLE THIS CAT DOWN.

[ Laughter ] >> Ted: GETTING THIS KIND OF SERVICE, THE VETERINARY SERVICE, PET HEALTH SERVICE TO DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES AND TALK TO US ABOUT THAT.

>> THE REBRANDING COINCIDES WITH OUR NEW FOCUS AS AN ORGANIZATION, THE BOARD APPROVED THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND THE TWO NEW PRIORITY AREAS ARE AFFORDABLE AND ACCESSIBLE CARE FOR UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES.

WE DID A NEED'S ASSESSMENT WITH PET SMART CHARITIES AND A FULLY BIINGWAL NEED'S ASSESSMENT TO ALIGN OUR SERVICES WITH THE NEEDS OF PET OWNERS BECAUSE THEY LOVE THEIR PETS LIKE FAMILY MEDICALS.

MEMBERS.

>> Ted: AND THIS IS A CARING, WARMTH, YOU KNOW AND JUST THE IDEA THAT IT'S NOT JUST MOVE THEM IN, OUT, TAKE THEIR TEMPERATURES AND THAT'S MORE TO VETVETERINARY CARE.

>> THAT'S CULTURALLY RESPONSIBLE AND THAT WE UNDERSTAND AND BUILD STRONG RELATIONSHIPS WITH PET OWNERS SO THAT THEY SEE US AS A TRUSTED PROVIDER AND THAT'S WHAT OUR GOAL IS, RIGHT, AND THAT MEANS PRIORITIZING, HIRING SPANISH-SPEAKING VETERINARIANS AND 76% OF PEOPLE PREFER SPANISH BECAUSE IT MEANS DOING WHAT WE CAN TO INVEST IN BETTER SURVEYING THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

>> Ted: THE NO KILL SHELTER AND IT'S BETTER WHEN THESE LITTLE PEOPLE WIND UP AT HOME, KEEPING PETS WITH FAMILIES AND HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT?

>> WE KNOW THAT THOSE ANIMALS WILL BE HEALTHIER AND HAPPIER, RIGHT, IF THEY'RE IN THE HOME BECAUSE US INVESTING IN KEEPING THE ANIMAL IN THE HOME AND PROVIDING BEHAVIOR SUPPORT AND THOSE VET SERVICES, PREVENTS THE ANIMAL FROM SURRENDERED AND SADLY, WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS BECAUSE ECONOMIC CHALLENGES, JOB LOSSES, HIGH COSTS OF RENT AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO WHAT WE CAN IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THOSE -- KEEPING ANIMALS IN THE HOME AND ACCESS TO VET CARE.

>> Ted: THE ORIGINAL MISSION, ONE OF THE GOALS WAS TO BE A NO-KILL SHELTER.

>> WE'RE LIMITED INTAKE SHELTER AND PROVIDE THAT CARE FOR THESE ANIMALS AND WE'LL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TREAT THAT ANIMAL.

AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO FIND A HAPPY AND HEALTHY HOME AND DURING THE SUMMER, WE GET 1300 OF THESE LITTLE GUYS.

IT'S KITTEN SEASON AND IN ARIZONA, IT'S KITTEN SEASON ALL YEAR ROUND.

>> Ted: I KNOW THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE A HOME NO MATTER WHAT.

>> ALWAYS, RIGHT.

SO WE MAKE A COMMITMENT TO OUR ANIMALS AND SO AS PEOPLE, IF THEY'RE UNABLE TO KEEP THE ANIMAL IN THE HOME, WE WILL ACCEPT THE ANIMAL, NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

HE'S PURRING AND TRYING TO GET AWAY.

>> Ted: MINE ISN'T PURRING AND JUST WANTS TO GET AWAY.

>> AGAIN, THIS IS REALLY STEPPING BACK AND SAYING RATHER THAN ASKING ANYTHING TO DO TO HELP YOU KEEP THE ANIMAL IN THE HOME.

AND THINKING, YOU KNOW, INNOVATIVE STRATEGIES, CREATIVE STRATEGIES AND BRINGING TRAINERS TO THE HOUSEA PROVIDING BEHAVIOR SUPPORT FOR A CAT THAT'S MAYBE, YOU KNOW, PEEING OUTSIDE OF THE LITTER BOX.

>> Ted: LET'S TALK ABOUT BEHAVIOR SUPPORT.

FOR SOME REASON, THAT'S RINGING A BELL AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP PETS IN THEIR HOME.

>> EXACTLY.

AND IT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS REENVISION SHELTERING AND COSTS ME 6 600 TO INVEST TO KEEP THE ANIMAL IN THE HOME THROUGH BEHAVIOR SUPPORT AND IT COSTS ME $1200 AND A LOT MORE AND BETTER FOR THE ANIMAL TO STAY IN THE HOME AND MUCH MORE COAST EFFICIENT.

YOU CALM HIM DOWN.

>> Ted: THE INTERVIEW IS OVER AND GIVE ME A WEBSITE.

>> AAWL.ORG AND THEY CAN READ THE SURVEY AND LEARN MORE ABOUT ALL OF OUR SERVICES AND IF THEY WANT TO ADOPT THESE LITTLE GUYS, AS WELL.

>> Ted: YOU'RE BEHAVING, YOU KNUCKLEHEAD.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND BRINGING YOUR FRIENDS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING!