>> TO PHASE DOWN OR PHASE OUT, THAT IS THE QUESTION AT COP-28.

LIZ CHENEY COMES OUT FIRING, BUT AND PLAY FOR PAY •A NEW IDEA FOR TRANSPARENCY FROM THE NCAA.

LIZ CHENEY COMES OUT FIRING, BUT SHOULD SHE RUN FOR PRESIDENT?

STAY TUNED, IVORY TOWER IS NEXT.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

I'M JOINED THIS WEEK BY CHAD SPARBER FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY, SARAH PRALLE FROM SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY, TARA ROSS FROM ONONDAGA COMMUNITY COLLEGE, AND RICK FENNER FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

THE BIG INTERNATIONAL CLIMATE MEETING IN DUBAI IS ENTERING ITS SECOND WEEK.

SO FAR THERE HAVE BEEN SOME SURPRISING AGREEMENTS ON METHANE EMISSIONS THAT EVEN THE OIL COMPANIES HAVE SIGNED ON TO.

BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF DISAGREEMENT ON WHETHER TO PHASE OUT OR SIMPLY REDUCE USE OF FOSSIL FUELS.

ONE WEEK IN, ARE WE FINALLY SEEING A SERIOUS ATTEMPT TO CURB CLIMATE CHANGE, OR IS THIS "TINKERING AROUND THE EDGES," AS SOME ACTIVISTS SAY?

>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I'D SAY LIKE THE MEETINGS THEMSELVES ARE PRETTY REMARKABLE.

THIS IS THE 28th ANNUAL MEETING OF LIKE 190 COUNTRIES, 70,000 PARTICIPANTS ALL THERE TO TALK ABOUT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM FACING THE WORLD, RIGHT?

CLIMATE CHANGE.

AND A LOT GOES ON AT THESE MEETINGS, NOT JUST FORMALLY BUT INFORMALLY.

THAT SAID, WE ARE INTERESTED IN WHAT ARE THE RESULTS TO?

DO THESE THINGS WORK?

ARE THEY GETTING US CLOSER TO REDUCING OUR EMISSIONS?

THEY AGREED THE COUNTRIES IN 2015 TO LIMIT THE WARMINGING AND NO COUNTRY IS ON TRACK TO MEET THAT GOAL SO THAT'S AN OVERALL EVALUATION OR GRADE, WHICH IS NOT GREAT.

HOWEVER, THERE HAVE BEEN REALLY MEANINGFUL PROGRESS ANDID THINK FOR THIS YEAR, THE ONE THAT YOU MENTIONED IS ON METHANE.

METHANE IS AN INCREDIBLY POTENT GREENHOUSE.

IT LASTS ABOUT 10 YEARS OR SO IN THE ATMOSPHERE.

AND WITH A LOT OF HEAT POTENTIAL, WARMING POTENTIAL.

SO IF WE CAN CUT THOSE EMISSIONS DOWN IN THE ENERGY SECTOR, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD PROGRESS.

AND IT'S THE LOW HANGING FRUIT, RIGHT?

THESE ARE LEAKS THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT COULD EASILY BE REPAIRED BY THE OIL AND GAS COMPANIES.

SO IT'S THE LEAST THEY COULD DO.

BUT NEVERTHELESS IMPORTANT.

>> AND THEY'VE AGREED TO DO IT NOW?

>> 50 LARGE OIL COMPANIES HAVE.

NOT EVERYONE.

CHINA HAS NOT SIGNED ON.

THE UNITED STATES IS TRYING TO CREATE AN AGREEMENT WITH CHINA TO REDUCE METHANE EMISSIONS.

THEY HAVE NOT AGREED TO THAT YET.

MORE TO BE DONE, RIGHT?

AND METHANE COMES FROM OTHER SOURCES AS WELL, AGRICULTURE, ET CETERA.

THRTS MORE TO DO BUT IT'S A GOOD STEP.

OTHER QUESTION YOU SAID ABOUT THE LANGUAGE ABOUT PHASING OUT FOSSIL FUELS IS SOMEWHAT IMPORTANT, RIGHT?

BECAUSE IT IS REALLY JUST LANGUAGE.

IT'S A PHILOSOPHY APPROACH.

THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY AND SOME OF THE COUNTRIES AS WELL DO NOT WANT TO USE THE LANGUAGE OF PHASING OUT FOSSIL FUELS BECAUSE THEY LIKE TO PREDENIED THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO BURN FOSSIL FUELS AND DEAL WITH THE CLIMATE CRISIS AND THEIR WAY OF SQUARING THOSE THINGS WHICH SEEM COMPLETELY INCOMPATIBLE IS TO TALK ABOUT WAYS OF CAPTURING CARBON AT THE SOURCE AND ALSO REMOVING CARBON DIOXIDE FROM THE ATMOSPHERE, IT'S CALLED CARBON MANAGEMENT WHICH IS UNPROVEN TECHNOLOGY, EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.

COUNTRIES ARE NOT INVESTING MONEY IN IT.

EVEN THE PETROL STATES THAT SAY THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO.

THERE IS NO WAY AROUND IT.

WE NEED TO PHASE OUT FOSSIL FUELS.

>> THE MEETING WAS IN A PETROL STATE AND THERE WERE A THOUSAND AT LEAST FOSSIL FUELS LOBBYISTS THERE.

I WONDER IF THIS IS JUST A BIG ATTEMPT AT GREEN WASHING, RICK?

>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF METHANE IS A GOOD FIRST STEP BUT AGAIN IT'S VERY EASY-- IT'S IN THE BEST FINANCIAL INTERESTS OF THESE COMPANIES.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THIS.

IF THEY CAN CAPTURE OR HAVE LESS OF THE GAS LEAK OUT, THAT'S MORE MONEY FOR THEM.

OBVIOUSLY THEIR FINANCIAL INTERESTS THAT ARE TIED TO FOSSIL FUELS IS WHAT IS GOING TO CAUSE THEM TO BLOCK ANY REAL CHANGE OR EVEN LANGUAGE THAT SUGGESTS THIS.

I THINK EVENTUALLY, WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IS THE MARKET IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE THE ONE THAT GOES AND PUTS PRESSURE ON THEM.

YOU KNOW, THERE IS TALK OF GOOGLE TRYING TO USE ADVANCED GEOTHERMAL PROJECTS.

IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO FIND ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCES AND REDUCE THE PRICE-- NOW WE HAD MADE SOME IMPACT WITH SOLAR AND WIND BUT THOSE NOW, WE'VE RUN INTO ROAD BLOCKS.

BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THIS GROUP IS GOING TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES JUST BECAUSE OF THE FINANCIAL INTERESTS OF MANY OF THE GROUPS THAT ARE INVOLVED.

>> THIS GREEN WASHING THING, THAT'S BALONEY.

LET'S REMIND PEOPLE THAT ABU DAB I AND DUBAI ARE PUNISHINGLY HOT CITIES ON THE PERSIAN GULF.

THEY HAVE DROUGHT AND FOOD SCARCITY.

IT'S OBVIOUS THEY HAVE AN INTEREST IN CLIMATE CHANGE, TOO.

THEY HAVE BUY IN.

I THINK HAVE YOU TO VIEW THIS AS A SUCCESS PARTICULARLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE OIL COMPANIES THAT ARE BUYING IN.

THEY'RE INCENTIVIZED TO REDUCE THEIR METHANE EMISSIONS AND SO FORTH.

I THINK I DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT LIKE ON, I WOULD NOT ADVOCATE FOR COMPLETE PHASEOUT OF FOSSIL FUELS.

I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A DIVERSIFIED ENERGY PORTFOLIO SO THAT WE ARE NOT VULNERABLE TO DISRUPTIONS UNDERSTOOD RESOURCES.

I MEAN WIND AND SOLAR ARE GREAT BUT IT'S NOT EASILY DISPATCHABLE ENERGY.

AND ENERGY STORAGE REQUIRES THE USE OF RARE METALS AND MATERIALS THAT ARE MONOPOLIZED BY UNSAVORY REGIMES AND SO FOSSIL FUELS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE IMPORTANT, LEAST FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.

>> AND IS GETTING INDUSTRY INVOLVED THE KEY TO THE WHOLE THING?

>> AS YOU SAID, INCENTIVIZE THESE COMPANIES, THE MARKET HAS TO BE AT PLAY.

IT WILL BE A KEY INGREDIENT.

>> BUT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS-- YES THE MARKET IS AT PLAY BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT LAST YEAR OIL AND GAS COMPANIES HAD RECORD PROFITS.

AND WE TALK ABOUT INCENTIVIZING IT.

IS THERE REAL INCENTIVE OR THE GREEN WASHING INCENTIVE.

WE WANT TO LOOK LIKE WE ARE DOING SOMETHING TO REDUCE FOSSIL FUELS.

BUT THE MINUTE, I BELIEVE, IT WAS THE DIRECTOR OF THE INTERNATIONAL ENERGY AGENCY SAID THAT THE USE OF FOSSIL FUELS WOULD PEAK BY 2030, I BELIEVE IT WAS OR EVEN 2035.

OIL AND GAS WENT BALLISTIC SAYING NO, NO, NO, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT, AS YOU SAID, FOR FUTURE ENERGY SECURITY.

AND THAT SEEMS TO BE THE WAY THEY'RE SORT OF PRESENTING THEIR CONTINUED USE OF FOSSIL FUELS AND NOT RATCHETING DOWN THAT USE MORE AND MORE IS WELL, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT BECAUSE OF ENERGY SECURITY.

>> AND I'M NOT AS OPTIMISTIC AS CHAD IS ABOUT THESE GROUPS GIVING UP THEIR FINANCIAL INTERESTS FOR CLIMATE CHANGE.

JUST LOOK AT WHAT THE STATE OF TEXAS IS NOW GOING DRILL, DRILL, DRILL!

AND SO THEY'RE CUTTING BACK ON ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCES.

>> AND I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE MARKET, ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS YOU NEED TO HAVE TAXES ON CARBON.

AND THAT IS-- >> AND REGULATE IT.

>> AND THAT IDEA OF TAXES ON CARBON HAS BEEN FLOATED AND SUGGESTED FOR MANY YEARS NOW.

>> AND PEOPLE KEEP VOTING AGAINST IT.

>> THEY, THEY DO.

NOW, SPEAKING OF MONEY, WE TALKED ABOUT THE MONEY IN COLLEGE SPORTS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AFTER A TEXAS A&M FOOTBALL COACH GOT A $75 MILLION DOLLAR BUYOUT.

NOW, THE PRESIDENT OF THE NCAA HAS PROPOSED A NEW MODEL FOR COLLEGE ATHLETICS.

HE RELEASED A LETTER LAYING OUT A PLAN TO CREATE A NEW TIER IN WHICH SCHOOLS WOULD PUT ATHLETES ON THE PAYROLL.

IF SCHOOLS SIGN ON, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PAY AT LEAST $30,000 DOLLARS TO HALF OF THEIR ATHLETES.

THE PROGRAM WOULD BE SUBJECT TO TITLE IX, SO WOMEN ATHLETES WOULD GET EQUAL RESOURCES.

THERE ARE PLENTY OF DETAILS STILL TO BE WORKED OUT, BUT THIS WOULD BE A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE WAY COLLEGE SPORTS OPERATE.

WOULD IT BE A GOOD ONE?

>> I THINK THE ANNOUNCEMENT DOES, WHATEVER IT HAS DONE, ALABAMA IS NOT COLLEGE ATHLETICS AND WHAT CHIP KELLY SAID BACK IN AUGUST, HE RECOMMENDED THE TOP FOOTBALL SCHOOLS SHOULD JUST BE CLASSIFIED AS AN INDEPENDENT LEAGUE AND THAT THE REMAINING SPORTS SHOULD BE GROUPED TOGETHER REGIONALLY LIKE THEY CURRENTLY ARE IN THEIR LEAGUES.

TO ME THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE BECAUSE FOOTBALL GETS STUPID LEVELS OF MONEY AND THEY ONLY PLAY ONE GAME A WEEK AND ACADEMICS ARE AT BEST SECONDARY TO THEIR ENTERPRISE.

BUT NONE OF THAT IS TRUE FOR SAY, LIKE DUKE AND STANFORD VOLLEYBALL PLAYERS WHO NOW AS JOINT MEMBERS OF THE ACC, HAVE TO DO CROSS-COUNTRY TRIPS MULTIPLE TIMES A A YEAR TO PLAY MULTIPLE MATCHES, AND ACADEMICS MATTER TO THOSE WOMEN AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO STUDY ON THE TRAVEL SCHEDULE.

THE LATEST NCAA ANNOUNCEMENT, I THINK, ACKNOWLEDGES THE FIRST PART OF CHIP KELLY'S DEPARTMENT THAT SCHOOLS WITH TOP PROGRAMS ARE DIFFERENT.

THE PROBLEM WITH IT HERE IS THAT IT SEEMS TO IGNORE THE SECOND PART THAT WITHIN THOSE INSTITUTIONS, THERE IS A LOT OF VARIETY IN THE INDIVIDUAL SPORTS THEMSELVES.

WHERE SOME OF THE SPORTS PROGRAMS STILL VERY MUCH VALUE THAT ACADEMIC EXPERIENCE.

>> I THINK THAT PROPOSAL IS CALLING FOR A FORMATION OF DE FACTO PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE RUN BY COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES.

THESH ESSENTIALLY MAKING THESE STUDENTS BE EMPLOYEES AND WHETHER THEY WANT TO USE THAT TERM OR NOT-- AND I SHOULD SAY INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE THE POINT I'M GOING TO MAKE NOW IS, I DON'T SEE WHY THE WE ARE GOING DOWN THIS ROUTE, THAT THE INDIVIDUALS NEED TO BE STUDENTS.

I THINK IF ALABAMA IS OFFERING 300 TO $400,000 FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO PLAY QUARTERBACK FOR THEIR FOOTBALL TEAM FOR A YEAR BEFORE GOING TO THE NFL, THIS STUDENT HAS NO INTEREST IN BEING, YOU KNOW, IN THE CLASSROOM.

I, AS A PROFESSOR, DON'T NECESSARILY WANT STUDENTS WHO DON'T WANT TO BE THERE.

NOW THERE MAY BE SOME ATHLETES, EVEN ON FOOTBALL TEAMS, THAT WANT TO BE, GET A DEGREE.

AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE THAT AS PART OF THEIR COMPENSATION PACKAGE, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD NECESSARILY BE STUDENTS AND I DO NEED TO MENTION THIS.

THIS IS FROM THE NCAA STATEMENT.

"THIS FRAMEWORK MUST SUSTAIN THE BEST ELEMENTS OF THE STUDENT ATHLETE EXPERIENCE FOR ALL STUDENT ATHLETES."

I THINK IT'S NOT A COINCIDENCE THEY USED THE TERM STUDENT ATHLETE TWICE BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO REMIND US TO PERPETUATE A FARCE AND SHAM.

>> IF IT'S A MINOR LEAGUE, THIS SUPER DUPER DIVISION, MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IS GREAT AND FUN, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE 60,000 PEOPLE AT THE GAMES.

I WONDER, DOES THIS SORT OF KILL THE GOLDEN GOOSE?

IF YOU ARE A FAN, COLLEGE FOOTBALL FANS ARE FANATICS ABOUT THEIR SCHOOLS.

WE WEAR ORANGE, WE GO TO THE GAMES AND WEAR ORANGE AND THEY'RE JUST PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES WOULD PEOPLE CARE AS MUCH?

>> THE REAL FEAR IS AND THIS COMES FROM SYRACUSE'S WEBSITE.

IF SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY WERE TO CARRY ON A TRADE OR BUSINESS ACTIVITY THAT IS NOT SUBSTANTIALLY RELATED TO ITS EXEMPT PURPOSE, THE UNIVERSITY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO TAX ON THE NET INCOME ON SUCH BUSINESS ACTIVITY EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BRING FUNDS TO EXEMPT THE UNIVERSITY'S OPERATIONS.

THIS IS THE KEY AND WHY THE NCAA IS WALKING A VERY THIN LINE BECAUSE YOU CAN MAKE A VERY STRONG ARGUMENT NOW THAT ALL REVENUE FROM THIS PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE, IF THEY'RE NOT STUDENT ATHLETES, SHOULD BE TAXED, WHICH IS THE DIRECTION I THINK IT SHOULD BE GOING.

>> WHAT ABOUT ALSO GIVING THESE STUDENT ATHLETES, SO TO SPEAK, THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AND FINISH THEIR DEGREE OR EVEN DO THEIR DEGREE AFTER, LET'S SAY THEY GO INTO PROFESSIONAL SPORTS, AFTER PLAYING AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL?

WHY NOT EXTEND THEIR TIMELINE, GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE SOME OF THE RESEARCH ON, YOU KNOW, POST COLLEGE TRANSITIONS FOR SOME OF THESE ATHLETES, IT'S NOT GREAT, RIGHT?

THEY'RE NOT PROPERLY PREPARED FOR ANY OTHER KIND OF PROFESSION AND THAT'S THE ARGUMENT OF HAVING STUDENT ATHLETES, RIGHT?

THEY GET A GOOD EDUCATION AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY SPORTS AND I THINK IT'S THAT EDUCATION PART THAT'S REALLY MISSING HERE.

SO WHY NOT RETHINK THAT?

>> YOU KNOW, THE NCAA RUNS THESE COMMERCIALS, IF YOU ARE A FAN, YOU SEE THEM WHERE THEY SAY GOING PROIN SOMETHING OTHER THAN SPORTS.

AND OF COURSE, THE PEOPLE-- THEY FEATURE IN THOSE, MANY OF THE PEOPLE THEY FEATURE IN THE ADS ARE THE PEOPLE PLAYING THE SPORTS THAT DON'T GET ANY MONEY, RIGHT?

>> THOSE ARE GOING TO DIE.

AND THAT'S-- SYRACUSE FOOTBALL COULD DIE.

SYRACUSE FOOTBALL HAS A TOUGH TIME COMPETING AS IT IS IN A POWER 5 CONFERENCE.

AND SO IF WE SHIFT TO A PAID PROGRAM KIND OF SITUATION, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME THAT THEY SURVIVE.

>> DOESN'T THIS CODIFY WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE?

PLAYERS ARE GETTING PAID.

>> I THINK THIS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT IT CODIFIES WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.

BUT FROM MY VIEW, GETS TAKEN OUT OF THIS PROPOSAL IS SOME OF THE RESTRAINTS THAT DOES ATTEMPT-- I DON'T SAY IT NECESSARILY WORKS VERY WELL-- DOES ATTEMPT TO RETAIN, IN THE MINDS CERTAINLY OF THE ATHLETES AND THOSE COMING TO SEE THEM, THAT THEY'RE STUDENTS AND THEY'RE ATHLETES AND HELPS THEM RETAIN THE NOTION THAT AT LEAST PART OF MY FOCUS SHOULD BE THAT I'M HERE TO BE A STUDENT AND GET AN EDUCATION.

IF THEY BASICALLY JUST BECOME PAID PLAYERS, I DO THINK THAT GETS LOST FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF PLAYERS.

AND THE OTHER THING THAT I WAS WONDERING, AND THIS IS MORE OF A QUESTION.

OKAY, SO LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A SCHOOL LIKE UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA WHICH HAS ONE OF THE ELITE GYMNASTIC PROGRAMS.

WHAT HAPPENS TO SOMEONE WHO IS AT THAT SCHOOL IN ONE OF THOSE PROGRAMS?

AND I'M NOT SURE IS THE UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA WITHIN THE DIVISION 1, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO FIT IF THERE?

WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU ARE PART OF THAT GYMNASTICS PROGRAM?

>> I THINK THAT PROGRAM WOULD PROBABLY BE FINE.

SOME OF OKLAHOMA'S OTHER PROGRAMS WOULD PROBABLY DIE.

TO YOUR CODIFYING PART THOUGH, ONE CYNICAL INTERPRETATION OF THIS IS THAT RIGHT NOW SCHOOLS HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE NAME, IMAGE AND LIKENESS, NIL DEALS AND MANY OF THE SCHOOLS ARE PANICKED THAT IF FUNDERS DIRECTLY FUND THE PLAYERS, THEN THE SCHOOLS LOSE ALL CONTROL, ALL FUNDING AND SO FORTH.

THEY'LL LOSE ALL THE DONATIONS.

AND THEY'RE TRYING TO REIN THAT IN GET MORE CONTROL.

LESS CYNICAL TAKE ON THIS IS THAT THIS NEW MODEL WILL CREATE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY OF FUNDING WOMEN THAT DOESN'T EXIST IN THE CURRENT PRIVATE KIND OF FUNDING.

SO THAT'S ONE... >> A NUMBER OF ATHLETES ARE AT THE HEAD OF THE NIL, SO IT IS SURPRISING THAT WOMEN HAVE DONE VERY WELL IN THIS AND ANOTHER SIDE OF EFFECTIVENESS, THE MORE MONEY THAT DOES GO TO THE ATHLETES IN ANY FORM, IS GOING TO MEAN LESS MONEY TO THE COACHES.

SO THE COACHES WILL SEE A HIT HERE.

>> THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING, RIGHT?

ALTHOUGH THE NEW SYRACUSE COACH PROBABLY WOULDN'T AGREE WITH ME.

FORMER CONGRESSWOMAN LIZ CHENEY IS BACK IN THE SPOTLIGHT, MAKING THE ROUNDS WITH HER NEW BOOK "OATH AND HONOR."

SHE'S FLOATED THE IDEA SHE MIGHT RUN FOR PRESIDENT.

CHENEY SAYS SHE'S DEDICATED TO KEEPING DONALD TRUMP OUT OF OFFICE.

SHE DOES HAVE HER VOICE AS A REPUBLICAN WHO STOOD UP TO HIM AND LED THE JANUARY 6TH COMMITTEE.

BUT, TARA, SHOULD SHE RUN FOR PRESIDENT?

>> 234U6R8, NO, PARTIALLY BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE MANY REPUBLICANS WHO SEE HER AS A TURNCOAT, EVEN MANY MODERATE REPUBLICANS SEE HER AS A TURN COAT OR SOMEONE THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, WALK THE PARTY LINE.

CERTAINLY THERE ARE MANY INDEPENDENTS WHO WOULD SUPPORT HER.

THE OTHER THING THAT IS PROBLEMATIC FOR HER IS NIKKI HALEY.

HAD NIKKI HALEY NOT JUMPED INTO THE ACTUAL PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN, A THIRD PARTY CANDIDACY BY LIZ CHENEY MIGHT GO SOMEWHERE AND HAVE SOME REAL STRENGTH BUT WITH NIKKI HALEY ALREADY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, IT WOULD BE VERY TOUGH FOR LIZ CHENEY TO RUN AND REALLY GET A LOT OF SUPPORT.

AND I REALLY THINK THAT IF SHE WERE TO RUN, WITH NIKKI HALEY STILL IN THE CAMPAIGN... GO AHEAD.

>> WHY DO YOU THINK THOSE TWO WOULD, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE?

THAT THEY WOULD COMPETE FOR THE SAME VOTE?

>> BASICALLY, YES.

I THINK THE WI NIKKI HALEY IS PRESENTING HERSELF, IT WOULD BE TWO DIFFERENT PARTIES OBVIOUSLY, A THIRD PARTY FOR CHENEY AND REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR NIKKI HALEY BUT I THINK THEY WOULD SPLINTER THOSE MORE MODERATE PEOPLE QUITE FRANKLY.

>> THE WAY I LOOK AT THIS IS IF SHE TRULY WANTS TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO ENSURE THAT DONALD TRUMP DOES NOT GET RE-ELECTED, OR GET ELECTED AGAIN, THEN SHE SHOULD NOT RUN BECAUSE AS TARA SAID, YOU KNOW, THE CORE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY DISLIKES HER INTENTLY AND SO SHE IS UNLIKELY TO TAKE ANY VOTES AWAY FROM TRUMP AND WILL TAKE MODERATE REPUBLICANS AWAY FROM BIDEN.

>> SHE WAS CREAMED IN THE PRIMARY IN HER OWN DISTRICT IN WYOMING-- I ALMOST SAID MONTANA THERE.

>> YEAH, I WAS WONDERING, LIKE WHO IS GOING TO VOTE FOR HER?

SHE MIGHT GET MITT ROMNEY TO VOTE FOR HER BUT NOT TOO MANY PEOPLE BEYOND THAT.

I DOUBT SHE IS GOING TO RUN ANYWAY.

SHE HAS DEMONSTRATED A WILLINGNESS TO PUT HER COUNTRY BEFORE HER OWN CAREER.

I TRUST HER JUDGMENT.

IF IT LOOKS LIKE HER CANDIDACY WOULD TANK TRUMP, I THINK THE ODDS ARE BETTER, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE HER DOING THAT ALTHOUGH I WOULD PAY GOOD MONEY TO WATCH A DEBATE BETWEEN LIZ CHENEY AND DONALD TRUMP.

HE WOULD NEVER SHOW UP BECAUSE SHE WOULD, YOU KNOW, DESTROY HIM.

>> I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IF SHE DID ANNOUNCE-- IF SHE WANTS TO DEFEAT HIM, SHE'S NOT GOING TO BEAT HIM IN AN ELECTION BUT IF SHE ANNOUNCED WOULD SHE GET ON TO A DEBATE STAGE WITH BOTH BIDEN AND TRUMP?

BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE REALLY CONFRONTATIONAL?

>> IT'S ALL POINTLESS.

SO LOOK, I ALMOST GAVE CHRISTIE MY A THIS WEEK FOR THE PERFORMANCE IN THE REPUBLICAN DEBATES.

HE IS THE ONE GUY WILLING TO STAND UP AND ATTACK TRUMP, CALL HIM OUT ON ALL OF HIS BALONEY AND HE IS REWARDED WITH A 12% FAVORABILITY RATING AMONG REPUBLICAN VOTERS AND CHENEY IS EVEN LOWER.

IT SUGGESTS TO ME THAT CHENEY AND CHRISTIE ARE SIMILAR IN THAT THEY'RE BETTER AS CAMPAIGNERS THAN CANDIDATES.

PEOPLE THAT CAN STAND UP AND TAKE TRUMP TO TASK FOR ALL THE DUMB THINGS THAT HE SAYS AND SAY HEY, WHY DON'T YOU VOTE FOR NIKKI HALEY INSTEAD OR BIDEN?

>> IF SHE WANTS TO KEEP HIM OUT, WHAT SHOULD SHE DO?

HOW SHOULD SHE PROCEED IF THE GOAL IS TO-- >> CONSTANTLY REMIND THE PUBLIC OF TRUMP'S SINS.

>> AND I THINK SAYING THAT SHE IS GOING TO VOTE FOR BIDEN IF IT COMES DOWN TO IT, WHICH I THINK SHE HAS ALREADY HINTED AT SO IT GIVES PERMISSION TO OTHER REPUBLICANS BECAUSE SHE IS REALLY TALKING ABOUT HOW DIRE THE SITUATION IS AND THAT YOU HAVE TO BE WILLING TO DO THAT TO STOP TRUMP.

>> THE OTHER THING SHE IS DOING IS SHE HAS SHOWN A WILLINGNESS TO GO OUT THERE AND STUMP FOR BOTH MODERATE REPUBLICANS AND SOME MODERATE DEMOCRATS.

AND I THINK THAT'S ALSO A PLACE WHERE SHE COULD BE REALLY EFFECTIVE IS REALLY SORT OF PUSHING AND SHORING UP BY POINTING OUT WHY THESE PEOPLE ARE BETTER CANDIDATES BECAUSE THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO PROBABLY WON'T JUST SORT OF FALL INTO LINE WITH TRUMP'S IDEAS.

>> OKAY.

WE NEED TO GO TO OUR AS AND Fs.

CHAD, YOUR F. >> TEST SCORES ARE IN AND MY F GOES FROM THE OECD THAT COVID CAUSED SIGNIFICANT ACADEMIC HARM SOMETHING THAT WE ALREADY KNEW BUT WE HAVE QUANTIFIED IT TODAY.

TODAY'S AVERAGE TEENAGER IS SIX MONTHS BEHIND IN READING AND NINE MONTHS BEHIND IN MATH COMPARED TO THE AVERAGE TEEN IN 2018.

THESE ARE THE KINDS OF FEARS PEOPLE HAD WHEN ADVOCATING FOR A QUICKER RETURN TO IN-PERSON INSTRUCTION AND I WOULD THINK A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY CANDIDATE MIGHT WANT TO USE THAT EVIDENCE AGAINST THE PERSON WHO IS IN CHARGE IN 2020.

>> SARAH.

>> YEAH, MY F THIS WEEK GOES TO NEW YORK GOVERNOR KATHY HOCHUL AND NEW YORK CITY MAYOR ERIC ADAMS FOR REJECTING PROPOSALS TO RAISE TAXES ON THE WEALTHIEST NEW YORKERS IN RECENT YEARS FOR YEAR OF DOING SO WOULD DRIVE THEM TO MOVE TO LOWER TAX STATES.

THE REPORTS SHOW FEARS WERE UNFOUNDED.

IN 2022 THE RICHEST NEW YORKERS LEFT THE STATE AT FAR LOWER STATES THAN ALL OTHER INCOME GROUPS ESPECIALLY THE POOR.

THE NEXT TIME A POLITICIAN TITION SAYS WE CANNOT RAISE TAXES ON THE RICH BECAUSE THEY WILL ABANDON THE STATE OF NEW YORK OR THE CITY, DON'T BELIEVE THEM.

>> MY F GOES TO SPORTS ILLUSTRATED FOR NAMING DEION SANDERS FOR THE 2023 SPORTSMAN OF THE YEAR.

ALTHOUGH SI INCLUDED THE LIKES OF SIMONE BILES AND TRAVIS KELSEY, THEY CHOSE SANDERS CITING HIS USE OF THE TRANSFER PORTAL AND IMPACT ON THE UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO AT BUFFALO FOOF PROGRAM.

HOWEVER, DESPITE SANDERS SELF PROMOTION, HE ONLY HAS A 4-3 RECORD AT UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO AND THERE ARE STILL MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MANNER IN WHICH HE LEFT JACKSON STATE.

>> AND RICK.

>> MY F GOES TO THE PRESIDENTS OF PENN, M.I.T.

AND HARVARD WHEN ASKED DOES CALLING FOR THE GENOCIDE OF JEWS VIOLATE YOUR COLLEGES RULES ON BULLYING AND HARASSMENT, THEY HEDGED THEIR ANSWERS SAYING IT DEPENDED ON THE CONTEXT.

WOULD I LOVE TO KNOW UNDER WHAT CONTEXT CALLING FOR THE EXTERMINATION OF A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS DOES NOT CONSTITUTE BULLYING AND HARASSMENT.

>> AND AS, CHAD.

>> I'M GOING TO PICK UP ON THAT F AND KIND OF GIVE AN A TO STEFANIK FOR PRESSING THE QUESTION AND TO EXPRESS A LITTLE GRATITUDE FOR MY OWN INSTITUTIONS AND ADMINISTRATORS WHO WOULD UNEQUIVOCALLY DENOUNCE GENOCIDE ON SUCH A STAGE.

WE DO HAVE A CODE OF CONDUCT POLICY THAT CONSERVATIVES ON CAMPUS PUSH FOR THAT GIVES FREE SPEECH AND ACADEMIC FREEDOM BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES A BIT ABOUT CIVILITY IN THERE AS WELL.

I INVITE OUR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES TO COME DOWN AND TALK TO US.

>> SARAH.

>> MY A GOES TO SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY FOR OFFERING ACCLAIMED PALESTINIAN POET VISITING SCHOLAR POSITION AT THE UNIVERSITY.

HE WAS RECENTLY DETAINED AND IMPRISONED BY ISRAELI AUTHORITIES TRYING TO EVACUATE GAZA WITH HIS WIFE AND THREE CHILDREN.

SYRACUSE'S OFFER WILL HELP THEM RETURN TO THE UNITED STATES.

SO THANK YOU TO THEM FOR DOING SO.

>> TARA.

>> SENATOR RAND PAUL PERFORMED THE HEIMLICH MANEUVER ON JOANIE ERNTSZ.

THIS SORT OF REMINDED PEOPLE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF KNOWING THE HEIMLICH MANEUVER AND HOPEFULLY MORE PEOPLE WILL LEARN HOW TO DO IT PROPERLY.

>> RAND PAUL IS A DOCTOR, TOO.

THAT PROBABLY HELPED.

>> MY A GOES TO JUAN SOTO NEW YORK YANKEES GOT AN EARLY CHRISTMAS MAN AS ONE OF BASEBALL'S BEST HITTERS WAS TRADED TO THE YANKEES.

ONLY 76 MORE DAYS UNTIL SPRING TRAINING STARTS.

DAVE, I CAN'T WAIT.

>> WHO'S COUNTING, RIGHT?

SO TARA, YOU GAVE YOUR F TO SPORTS ILLUSTRATED FOR CHOOSING DEION SANDERS.

WHEN YOU FIRST SAID SPORTS ILLUSTRATED, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO GIVE IT TO THEM FOR USE USING ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE TO WRITE SOME ARTICLES, INCLUDING CREATING FAKE WRITERS.

SO-- I DON'T OFFICIALLY GET AN F BUT THEY GET MY F FOR THAT.

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