- [Commentator] The Conestoga Wagon played a major role in Pennsylvania history.

These sturdy wagons were the early transportation link between Philadelphia and inland settlements.

Do you know what custom still used today came from the Conestoga Wagon?

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Here's the host of "The Pennsylvania Game," Lynn Hinds.

- Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Jesse, come on up.

We've got a lively show and a lively audience here.

They're from Pleasant Gap in the Bellefonte area which is very, very near the geographical center of the state.

And we have with us a young lady named Jessica and they've made signs.

Hi, I heart "The Pennsylvania Game."

That means I love, I see.

Thank you, Jessica, for sharing that with us.

Isn't that nice?

Let's give Jessica a big hand.

(audience clapping) We're glad to have them with us.

We're glad to have you with us too to play along with our panel who are loaded for bear.

They're ready for this one.

In the first chair, Mr. Bernie Asbell.

Let's hear it for Bernie.

(audience cheering) And she is a television news producer from Johnstown.

She is Diane Frye.

(audience cheering) And Mr. Meteorologist for much a Pennsylvania, guy that does "Weather World" so well five days a week and sometimes even more than that.

Here he is, Fred Gadomski.

(audience cheering) Fred.

A man who loves Pennsylvania and Pennsylvania history.

We told you about the Conestoga Wagons were made in the Conestoga Valley and how much of a role they had in the history of Pennsylvania, but they're still having an impact.

Let's listen.

- [Commentator] Pennsylvania Germans began building wagons in the Conestoga Valley near Lancaster around 1730.

In just 20 years, 7,000 Conestoga Wagons filled the road to Philadelphia.

Which of these does not come directly from the Conestoga Wagon?

A, stogie cigars, B, colors of the American flag, C, prairie schooners, or D, driving on the right?

- Why do we drive on the right and not on the left like the, well, anyway, there you are, Bernie is the question and four choices.

Which of these does not come directly from the Conestoga Wagon days?

- Driving on the right did 'cause a lot of people went out there and didn't like it and they came back.

- I see.

- And you had to sort of separate them on the road.

I think, I can't imagine the, well, Betsy Ross did not ride a Conestoga Wagon.

I think I'll choose B.

- Okay.

Do you know what color the Conestoga Wagons were invariably?

- I would think the grayish taz.

- Red, white and blue.

Diana?

Little hint there.

Go ahead.

But that doesn't mean it's the right answer.

They were always red, white, and blue.

Oh yes.

- Okay.

- [Lynn] If you look closely, no, no.

Go ahead, Diana.

- All right.

I would tend to think, even though you said that driving on the right is the wrong answer, I think that it is the right answer.

We're gonna go with driving on the right.

- You think driving on the right did not come with the Conestoga, okay.

- Did not come, right.

- That's very good.

Don't believe Bernie 'cause sometimes he fakes it.

Yes, Fred.

- Now you're not trying to time warp me here, are you?

- [Lynn] I'm not trying to time warp you at all.

- Because didn't the flag precede the wagons?

Therefore, how can the colors of the flag come from the wagon?

It's B.

- The wagons said, the question said that the Conestoga Wagons began to be built around 1730.

And I don't think the red, white, and the blue came until about 1776, which would've been a few months later, if I recall.

I'm not trying to taut you out of these, I happen to think it's stogie cigars, but let's see what the right answer is.

- [Commentator] The answer is B, colors of the flag.

Although the Conestoga Wagon was invariably painted blue with red running gear and a white cloth cover.

The flag colors probably came from a British flag.

Conestoga Wagon drivers did sit on the left and drive on the right.

And the cigars they often smoked were called stogies.

The prairie schooner that journeyed westward later evolved from the famous Pennsylvania Conestoga Wagon.

- And you could still buy a cheap cigar and call it a stogie.

And after the Conestoga Wagons, and they did indeed drive on the right side.

So, you were right.

- I'm glad I didn't listen to the question too carefully.

(audience laughing) - Sometimes that does you well by not listening too carefully.

Let's listen to this question about the Pennsylvania National Department.

- [Commentator] Four departments in the president's cabinet have had no secretary from Pennsylvania.

Three are recent creations.

Energy, Housing and Urban Development, and Education.

What is the fourth?

A, Secretary of Agriculture, B, Secretary of War, C, Secretary of the Treasury, or D, Attorney General.

- Okay, Pennsylvania is in national office.

Now the recent cabinet offices, Energy, Housing and Urban Development, and Education are very recent.

But, there's a fourth one that we've never had a Pennsylvanian occupy that cabinet position.

And which of these is it?

Diane, we'll start with you this time.

- Well, since this is a shot in the dark answer, we're gonna go with Secretary of War.

- [Lynn] Okay, all right.

Shot in the dark.

- Get it, shot?

- Fred, you understand?

- Well, I don't know, of course, but- - What do you mean don't know of course?

- I have an insight into the way people on this show think.

- [Lynn] I see, I see.

- And I think Pennsylvania's a great agricultural state.

- I've heard that.

- And wouldn't it be a ripoff?

- [Lynn] Yeah, ironic, mm-hm.

- Secretary of Agriculture, and so I'll go with A.

- [Lynn] It would indeed.

All right, Bernie?

- As you know I always come up with reasons that nobody else could think of, but Fred's reasons are exactly right.

- Is that right?

- Nobody knows that agriculture's our number one industry in this case.

- So, we've never had a Secretary of Ag?

We've had Attorney Generals, the Treasury?

- [Bernie] I don't think so.

- Let's see if they're right or wrong.

- [Commentator] The answer is A, Secretary of Agriculture.

Five Pennsylvanians have served as Secretary of War, seven as Secretary of the Treasury, and 10 Attorneys General have been from Pennsylvania.

- We've had 10 Attorneys General from Pennsylvania.

We've had all those, but we've never had a Secretary of the Agriculture, which I think, as you say, Fred, is a ripoff.

At least it's ironic that you know?

- Might be a political reason because that's usually, you know, the farmers, the farm vote is out west in the Midwest.

And they probably ana appoint Secretaries of Agriculture.

- But you'd think after, you know, in all the years there's been a Secretary of Agriculture, we might have sneaked one in.

- [Bernie] But there wasn't, you know?

- I know that, I heard that.

I heard that indeed.

Okay, so you guys got that right.

Diane, welcome to the show again.

We're glad to have you back.

Again, Diane is a news producer.

What does a news producer do on a television station?

- Well, they decide what stories will be seen by the television audience and in what order and that kind of thing.

And they write a lot too.

I write stories, news stories.

- You work for Channel 6, WJAC-TV in Johnstown.

And that's the city you grew up in.

Is it kind of a thrill to work in television in the town you grew up in?

- Oh, it sure is.

It sure is and especially whenever people you know, you see on the street and they say, "Hey, did you hear on the news this story?

Yes, I wrote it, wrote that story."

- That's great.

- Yeah, it is great.

- Fred Gadomski wanted to work in television in the city where he grew up, but Fred hasn't grown up yet.

(audience laughing) "Weather World" is seen in lots of places besides on Channel 3.

I know, Fred, it's in Harrisburg and all over the place.

You guys do a remarkable job of predicting the weather.

That's a risky business, isn't it?

- If you think about it, how complicated the problem is, if I threw a stick in the stream and tried to figure out where it was gonna be a day from now.

- Yeah.

- Be a problem.

Well, same thing's happening with the air above us.

It's a problem.

- Yeah.

And one little change here or there can make all the difference in the world.

- You betcha.

- Yeah.

- Which I constantly surprise myself.

- Yeah.

It's great to have all of you here.

And you guys have done much too well.

- These two are great collaborators.

You know, Fred predicted the flood, the Johnstown flood.

- Of 1889?

- And Diane covered it.

- Is that, 1889?

- First live shot.

- Great, great, great pictures.

Let's go back to the Civil War days and think about a Pennsylvania artist.

- [Commentator] "John Brown Goes to His Hanging" is his most famous painting.

Who was the Pennsylvania artist who painted that well-known picture?

A, Benjamin West, B, Charles Wilson Peele, C, Gilbert Stuart, or D, Horace Pippin?

- Now Fred Gadomski, we start with you and "John Brown Goes to His Hanging" is a part of the clue here, of course, is the name of the painting.

But who was the famous Pennsylvania artist who painted that?

- Once again.

- Once again.

- I'm totally without any basis on which to make this.

- But!

- Suggestion.

It's only a suggestion, but I think I'm gonna go with C. - [Lynn] Uh-huh.

- It's a nice round letter.

- Uh-huh, it is.

Gilbert Stuart.

- Gilbert Stuart.

- He says Gil Stuart.

Bernie, what do you say?

- I truly cannot imagine the man who did George Washington's portrait also doing "John Brown Going to..." Horace Pippin has such a nice name and that was such a sort of cartoony style.

- Horace Pippin.

- Horace Pippin.

Yeah, he was the man.

- Okay, now you've had two erudite explanations, Diane.

- Well, you know, I really like Horace Pippin.

That's a great name.

But I think I've heard of Benjamin West before, so that's the one I'm gonna go with today.

- Okay.

They used to say when you wanna get your picture painted, "Go to West, young man."

No, that was somebody else.

Who did paint "John Brown Goes to His Hanging?"

- [Commentator] The answer is D, Horace Pippin.

Born in Westchester in 1888, Horace Pippin started painting at a young age.

Even though he had no formal training, Pippin achieved fame long before his death in 1946.

With his right arm paralyzed from World War I, he used his left hand to guide his right.

Horace Pippin's best known painting is "John Brown Goes to His Hanging."

- Okay, you got that one right Bernie.

Actually, it had to be Pippin because the other three, Benjamin West, Charles Wilson Peele, and Gilbert Stuart all died in the 1820s and weren't around when John Brown went to his hanging, which was up towards Civil War times, don't you see?

Bernie figured that out mathematically.

And Bernie has taken, not a commanding, but a slight lead so far.

Bernie Asbell is ahead.

(audience cheering) But will he stay ahead?

We'll be three clues during the course of the show to a mystery Pennsylvanian, see if you can guess his identity before our panel does.

They have to guess on three lines.

Clue number one, panel.

Born in a log cabin near Washington, Pennsylvania.

He was a minister who became an educator and who shaped the American character as much as any other American has ever done.

Born in a log cabin near Washington, PA. First a minister, then an educator who shaped the American character as much as perhaps anyone in American history.

And that's a pretty heavy clue that we're getting some pretty heavy thoughts about.

I can see.

While we're doing that, let's go to something that a gal named Dorothy Harrison Eustis of Philadelphia did back a few years ago.

- [Commentator] Dorothy Harrison Eustis of Philadelphia got an idea for a school while visiting Germany.

In 1929, she established the first school of this kind in America.

Was the school a A, beauty academy, B, guide dog school, C, kindergarten, or D, school of pantomime?

- Okay, Dorothy Harrison Eustis went to Germany, got an idea, and established the first school of this kind in America in 1929.

The question is very simply, what kind of school was it?

Bernie Asbell?

- Certainly kindergartens for the German sound of its name existed.

I think- - Letter.

- I think, I think, I um am attracted to guide dogs.

- You're going to the dogs on this one?

- Going to the dogs.

- Okay.

Diane, what do you think Dorothy Harrison Eustis?

- I actually think I know this one.

My brother lives in Germany and he knows a lot about German culture and I think he once told me kindergarten.

So, we're gonna go with kindergarten.

- Kindergarten from Germany.

Okay, she got the idea.

Fred, what do you know about 1929 and Dorothy Harrison Eustis?

- Very little.

I was quite young then.

- Uh-huh.

- In '29.

- I heard that.

- But, I'm gonna have to go along with the idea that kindergarten being of German extraction.

- It's the German in the kindergarten that got you on this one, yeah.

Okay, well let's see if Dorothy did establish, well, let's see what it was.

- [Commentator] The answer is B, guide dog school.

Dorothy Harrison Eustis saw German Shepherds being trained as guides for blinded veterans of World War I.

She founded The Seeing Eye, the first dog guide school in America located now in New Jersey.

The Seeing Eye breeds German Shepherds and Labrador Retrievers, then places them with 4H youngsters in New Jersey and Pennsylvania.

Instructors then work with the year old dogs until they are well trained.

By 1985, more than 5,000 blind persons had received a guide dog from The Seeing Eye, now one of about a dozen guide dog schools in America.

- But Dorothy Eustis of Philadelphia established the very first one.

You guys went to Germany for the right reason, but you came back with the wrong answer.

It was German shepherd dogs that you got the answers and not kindergartens, which of course did.

- It's a good thing my brother's in Germany and can't see this show.

- Yeah.

I would say that it was.

What a nice idea too.

They put the dogs when they're puppies with kids from 4H along with Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and the kids just, you know, the dogs learn to be friendly and then at the end of the year, they begin to be trained very seriously.

So, it's really a nice thing that they do.

Well, let's go to a sports question 'cause I know that Diane, it's her turn to start, knows a lot about sports.

Here's the question.

- [Commentator] Babe Ruth was one of five great charter members inducted when Baseball's Hall of Fame opened in 1936.

Of the other four, which one was a Pennsylvania pitcher?

A, Walter Johnson, B, Honus Wagner, C, Christy Mathewson, or D, Ty Cobb?

- Okay, Diane.

Five people were the first to be inducted into the Hall of Fame, the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown.

Babe Ruth, of course is I guess the most famous, but the other four are pretty famous too.

Which one was a Pennsylvania pitcher?

- Well, I hope I can prove you wrong with that little sexist comment there.

(laughing) Just because I'm a woman.

I love baseball.

- I said you had knowledge of sports.

Didn't say you didn't.

- Well, okay, well, I thought it was implied there.

Maybe.

- No, no, no, no, no.

- Okay.

- Oh no.

Well, I'm gonna go with Honus Wagner because that's- - Fred's a guy doesn't know anything about sports.

Yeah, Fred?

What is the answer?

- Well, I think that all things considered, Walter Johnson.

- Okay, we have- - Being a pitcher.

- We have a Hornus Wagner and a Walter Johnson.

- [Bernie] What things considered, Fred?

- All things, all things.

- Oh, oh.

- [Lynn] Considered things.

- Honus Wagner and Ty Cobb were great ball players.

They were not pitchers.

- I see.

- Johnson and Mathewson were, and I'm gonna go with Fred on Johnson.

- Aha.

So, we are going with two Johnsons and one Wagner.

Okay, let's see who is the sport and who isn't the sport on this question?

- [Commentator] The answer is C, Christy Mathewson.

Born in Factoryville, Wyoming County in 1880, Matthewson was baseball's first superstar.

Nicknamed the big six after New York's famous Big Six fire company, he had the record to back up his nickname.

373 lifetime wins with 12, 20-win seasons and three, 30-win seasons.

His 37 wins in one year is still a record.

Christy Mathewson, charter member of the Hall of Fame, a native Pennsylvanian.

- Well, it turns out that nobody knew much about sports, but Bernie's hanging on by the skin of his teeth to a fragile lead.

Let's hear it for Bernie Asbell.

(audience cheering) Okay, let's see what happens as we progress here.

Clue number two to our mystery Pennsylvanian, he wrote a series of books between 1836 and 1857, a series that sold 122 million copies, which for those days was a pretty good seller, I would say.

Wrote a series of books between 1836 and 1837 that sold 122 million copies.

Remember I told you earlier our first clue he was born in a log cabin, Washington, Pennsylvania.

Was an educator who did a considerable amount to shape the American character.

And while our panel is scribbling and thinking, here is our address in case you'd like to send us a suggestion for a question or just to write right to us.

It is The Pennsylvania Game, Wagner Annex, University Park, PA 16802.

Be glad to hear from you.

Just drop us card or a letter and of course, so we'd love to have some suggestions.

Let's go now to a question.

John Paul Jones, of course, you know is a very, very famous naval hero who said to the British, "I've not yet begun to fight."

Which they replied, "You better start soon 'cause you're losing badly."

But here's the question.

- [Commentator] John Paul Jones became America's first naval hero when he defeated the British in 1779.

He spoke his famous words, "I have not yet begun to fight" aboard the ship he had named, Bonhomme Richard, in honor of his friend, Ben Franklin and his celebrated Almanac.

Jones had a favorite among the saying of Poor Richard.

Was it A, There are no gains without pains, B, If you want something done right, do it yourself, C, God helps them that helped themselves, or D, A word to the wise is enough?

- Okay, we're back to you, I believe, Bernie.

One, two, three, four, five.

No, we're down to Fred to start this one.

Which of those was of Ben Franklin's, Poor Richard's sayings, was the favorite of John Paul Jones?

And are those all legitimate sayings?

I don't know.

What do you think Fred?

- That's a good question.

- Yeah.

- These are all, they're all pithy remarks.

- Yes, indeed.

- There's no doubt about that.

How about Ben Franklin would say something, I believe, if you want to something done right, do it yourself.

- I see, okay.

- That's C, isn't it?

- B, that's B.

- Oh, that's B.

- [Lynn] That's B. Yeah, okay.

- That's right, Bernie?

You've had a while to think about this one.

- Can't be A 'cause there's no gain without pain was first said by Arnold Schwarzenegger.

- [Lynn] Uh-huh.

I thought it was Jane Fonda, but go ahead.

- Yeah.

B was said by Benjamin Franklin, but that's the one that John Paul Jones would go for.

- You like that?

- Oh he would go, he would like that.

- [Lynn] Diane, which of those do you find most appealing?

- Well, if I were John Paul Jones, I would say God helps those who help themselvces.

- C, you say.

- Yes.

- Okay.

I will tell you that these are all sayings from "Poor Richard's Almanac."

Question is, which one did John Paul like?

- [Commentator] The answer is B, if you want something done right, do it yourself.

John Paul Jones did just that.

When he bought the Bonhomme Richard, he said he wanted a fast ship because he intended to go in harm's way.

On September 23rd, 1779, he met the superior Serapis just 150 miles from London.

Outgunned he lashed the ships together and defeated the British in a three and a half hour battle.

The victory gave the American cause a much needed boost.

Two days later, the crippled Bonhomme Richard sank into the waters of the North Sea.

- Okay, it was very near London and he did indeed say that was his favorite.

And he did indeed name the Bonhomme Richard after "Poor Richards Almanack."

I always thought that was though amazing that he would say to the British, "I've not yet begun to fight."

I mean they've obviously said, "You better start soon 'cause we're winning this thing, fella."

So, great American naval hero.

Next one is a question, well, I'm not sure how you'd know the answer to this, but use some logic and see if you can figure it out.

Here's the question.

- [Commentator] According to 1986 data, Luzerne County led with 1,262 while Westmoreland County was a close second with 1026, Forest County had just 211, and Philadelphia County had fewest with an even 100.

Had what?

A, fishing licenses issued, B, deer killed by cars, C, acres of arable farmland, or D, limestone caves.

- Okay, Luzerne County and Westmoreland County both had over 1,000.

Forest County had just 211.

And Philadelphia County, which is mostly the city of Philadelphia as you know, had the fewest with only 100, but had the fewest what?

Fishing licenses, deer killed by cars, acres of farmable land, or limestone caves?

Bernie, we're back to you this time.

- It could be C or D, couldn't it?

Limestone caves.

- You're going spelunking into the limestone caves.

- Right, 'cause I don't know the slightest piece that would be true.

- Alrighty.

D, he says, you think Philadelphia has limestone caves.

It may have 'cause, at least.

The early settlers lived in caves in Philadelphia.

Yeah.

Diane?

- Well, I agree with Bernie that C and D are good answers, but I think D is the more interesting answer.

- D?

- So, that's mine.

- You're both going with D. - Yes.

- [Lynn] We're on a roll here.

Fred, down to you.

- I think it's either C or D as well.

And it's probably D, be ut.

- But.

- But.

- Just to add some excitement.

- So, acres of farmable or arable farmland?

- You betcha.

- I see.

- Farmable air land.

- Farmable air land or arable farmland.

I don't think it's either C or D. Let's see what the answer is.

- [Commentator] The answer is B, deer killed by cars.

The whitetail deer has been Pennsylvania's official state animal since 1959.

Perhaps the fact that 100 deer were killed on the highway in urban Philadelphia county indicates the importance of managing the deer herd.

It's estimated that there are more deer in Pennsylvania today than there were when Columbus first set foot in the New World.

Much of the credit for maintaining the whitetail deer goes to the dedicated workers of the Game Commission.

- The Pennsylvania Game Commission, who also of course write the questions for "The Pennsylvania Game."

No, that's not true.

But, think about that.

100 deer killed inside the city of Philadelphia.

I mean, that means there are a lot of deer roamin' around Pennsylvania and they do have to indeed find some way to control that herd.

- A lot of drunk drivers in these big cities, you know, if you miss the pink elephants, you hit the deer.

- I see, is that what happens?

Okay.

I couldn't believe that fact when I read it.

That's why.

Now on this next question, I want you to put your thinking caps on.

'Cause this was one that you may not know, but you might be able to figure out if you think hard enough.

- [Commentator] Fred Lewis Pattee began teaching a college course in 1895 at Penn State University.

It was the first time the course had been taught anywhere.

Was the subject A, meteorology, B, ice cream making, C, American literature, or D, animal husbandry.

- Or animal wifery for that matter.

We start with you, Diane.

It was 1895.

It was the first time this subject had been taught anywhere in the world.

And I only want you to tell me what the subject was.

- No fair asking a Penn State question to someone who went to IUP.

But animal husbandry I think would make sense.

- [Lynn] All right, D. All right, Fred?

Meteorologist you, go ahead.

- I happen to know it wasn't meteorology, but it probably was his favorite hobby as it is all of our favorite hobbies.

- Yes.

- But I think, interestingly enough, it is C, American literature.

I don't think it became really well-known until about that time.

- I see.

All right.

Bernie, what do you think?

- Penn State is a great, was one of the land grant colleges great agriculture schools.

- Uh-huh.

- But it wasn't D. - No, it wasn't D. - It wasn't D. - Oh, I see.

- Because Pattee Library is named after him.

- Pattee Library, yeah.

- And of course it must.

have been American literature.

- You don't think you could name a library after a great ice cream maker?

Is that what you're telling me?

What was the right answer?

- [Commentator] The answer is C, American literature.

Fred Pettee was a one-man English department at Penn State in 1895.

He was the first to be called Professor of American literature.

He wrote the first textbook and the first anthology of American literature.

Fred Pettee also wrote the Penn State Alma Mater in 1901.

- And of course, the Alma Mater goes, we don't know the words.

Here is the last clue to our mystery Pennsylvanian.

His eclectic readers not only taught boys and girls how to read, but how and what to think.

That's our final clue.

Born in Washington, Pennsylvania in a log cabin, shaped the American character, wrote books back in the 1830s and up to 50s, sold 122 million copies.

And his eclectic readers not only taught boys and girls how to think, but what to think and why.

Fred, your scribbling furiously, tell us what your scribbling, we need an answer.

- Don't know, partly cloudy and 55.

- [Lynn] Partly cloudy and 55.

Diane, what do you say?

- Well, that last clue has left me clueless.

- Clueless.

And Bernie, of course, knows this one, Horatio Alger.

I thought somebody would come up with this.

This guy is so famous and so well known and is a native Pennsylvania.

- [Commentator] William Holmes McGuffey who was born to Scotch-Irish pioneer parents in a log cabin in Washington County in the year 1800.

He was graduated from Washington and Jefferson when it was just Washington College.

And although an ordained Presbyterian minister, he spent most of his 73 years teaching.

Millions of boys and girls in classrooms across America learned to read with the moral and patriotic stories of the eclectic readers.

Perhaps no one had had more effect in shaping the American character than William Holmes McGuffey.

A famous Pennsylvanian.

- Yeah, he did indeed.

All his readers that were read by virtually every boy and girl in America did so much with the stories to shape our perceptions of what the world is like.

And I'm ashamed of you for not knowing the answer to that.

- [Bernie] We are ashamed too.

We'll make 'em stand in a corner and bring 'em back next time and give 'em another chance.

Thanks for joining us, panel.

Thanks to you for joining us too.

And see you next time right here for "The Pennsylvania Game."

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