>>> COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HOAR RELIESON.

GENERAL DAVID SPOKE ABOUT HIS BOOK ON THE EVOLUTION OF WARFARE.

>>> HOW COURT APPOINTED SPECIAL ADVOCATES CHANGED THE LIVES.

TEMPE TOWN LAKE TURNS 25 YEARS OLD.

THAT AND MORE COMING UP ON ARIZONA HOAR ARIZONA HORIZON.

>>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THERE WAS AN INTEREST RATE CUT.

>> MADE PROGRESS TOWARDS OUR GOALS.

THE LABOR MARKET HAS COOLED AND REMAINED SOLID.

INFLATION MOVED CLOSER TO THE 2% LONGER RUN GOAL.

>> POWELL NOTED TODAY'S ACTION WAS A CLOSER CALL THAN PREVIOUS CUTS.

NEXT YEAR MIGHT SEE FEWER RATE REDUCTIONS.

MOSTLY DUE TO CONTINUED CONCERNS.

U.S. STOCKS HAD THE WORST DAY SINCE AUGUST.

THE DOW DROPPED 11 POINTS AND KNACK TAS DROPPED 3.5%.

TREASURY YIELDS WERE HIGHER WITH ADDED PRESSURE ON STOCKS.

>>> FORMER CIA DIRECTOR DAVID IS THE COAUTHOR OF A RECEPTLY UPDATED BOOK THAT EXAMINES THE EVOLUTION OF WARFARE.

IT'S TITLED CONFLICT, THE EVOLUTION OF WARFARE FROM 1945 TO UKRAINE.

WE SPOKE TO THE GENERAL EARLIER TODAY.

>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

WARFARE OVER THE LAST 80 YEARS.

HOW HAS WARFARE EVOLVED?

>> ENORMOUSLY.

TECHNOLOGY IS CONSTANTLY EVOLVING.

WE SEE IT IN THE BATTLEFIELD.

UKRAINE IS OUT GUNNED.

THE ECONOMY OF RUSSIA 15 TIMES THAT THE SIZE OF UKRAINE.

WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE, A COUNTRY WITH NO NAVY SINK ONE-THIRD OF THE FLEET WITH AERIAL DRONES THEY MADE THAT FIND THE SHIPS AND MARITIME DRONES THAT MANUFACTURED AND DEPLOYED TO SINK THEM.

A THIRD IS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE BLACK SEA.

THEY WERE FORCED OUT.

SAME ON THE GROUND.

THEY ARE THROWING THOUSANDS OF SUICIDE DRONES AT THE RUSSIANS EVERYDAY.

PRODUCED 1.5 MILLION WITHIN THE FIRST FIVE MONTHS AND THEY HAVE GROUND ROBOTIC SYSTEMS AS WELL.

WITHOUT THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN OVERWHELMED.

TECHNOLOGY CONTINUES TO EVOLVE.

YOU SEE IT WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF AI FOR TARGETING PURPOSES AND SPEEDS EVERYTHING UP DRAMATICALLY.

THERE IS STILL COMMON FUTURES WHEN WE TALK ABOUT JUST BEFORE STARTING IS THE PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE OF GOOD STRATEGIC LEADERSHIP.

THEY ARE AT THE VERY TOP.

CRAFTING THE RIGHT STRATEGY AND UNDERSTAND YOUR FORCE IS THE ENEMY.

THE NATURES OF THE WAR.

ALL OF THE ELEMENTS.

THE PHYSICAL AND HUMAN TRAIN.

COMMUNICATING THE BIG IDEAS EFFECTIVELY THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION TO OVERSEE THE IMPLEMENTATION.

THIS IS THE ENERGY AN INSPIRATION.

ATTRACTING THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST.

THE METRICS USED AND ORGANIZATION AND TECHTURE USE AND HOW YOU SPEND YOUR TIME.

WE WOULD SPEND A LOT OF TIME DETERMINING HOW IT COULD MOST EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY AND PRODUCTIVELY USE MY TIME.

AMONG THOSE ARE ELEMENTS, ACTIVITIES, AND MEETINGS THAT HELP YOU DETERMINE HOW YOU NEED TO REFINE THE BIG IDEAS AS THE CONTEXT EVOLVES.

YOU ACHIEVE SUCCESS OR EXPERIENCE SETBACKS.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE GREAT STRATEGIC LEADERSHIPS THE PROSPECT IS NOT GREAT.

>> YOU MENTIONED UKRAINE.

THAT'S STRATEGIC LEADERSHIP WHERE HAVE THEY FAILED.

>> PRESIDENT PUTIN DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUALITIES OF THE FORCES.

THE QUALITY OF THE SMALL UNIT TRAIN WAS ABYSMAL.

HE ALSO UNDERESTIMATED PRESIDENT ZELENSKY.

THEY WOKEN THE BATTLE AND THE RUSSIANS HAD THE WITHDRAWAL TO THE NORTH AND EAST.

FROM THAT PARTICULAR EFFORT.

THEY HAD A CAMPAIGN THAT WAS OVERLY COMPLEX AND NOT A MAIN EFFORT WEIGHTED PROPERLY.

THE EQUIPMENT HASN'T BEEN ALL OF THAT.

THEY VERY HEAVILY OUTNUMBER THE UKRAINIANS AND THEY OUT GUN THEM AND HAVE MORE MONEY.

WITH THAT, THEY CAN RECRUIT SOLDIERS AND PAY THEM AN ENTIRE YEAR SALARY.

QUANTITY DOES HAVE A QUALITY.

SOMETIMES, IF THE QUALITY IS SUFFICIENT RELATIVE TO THE OPPONENT THE LACK OF GREAT STRATEGIC LEADERSHIP CAN BEGIN TO OVERWHELM IT.

>> SAME THING ALSO IN THE OVERWHELMING FORCES IN ISRAEL.

>> WELL, WE HAD BIG IDEA.

TO BE FAIR, THEY CARRIED OUT A VERSO FIST SOPHISTICATED ATTACK.

THE ISRAELIS ON THEIR SIDE, DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT WAS POSSIBLE.

THEY HAD THE PLANS AT LOWER LEVELS AND CERTAIN LEVEL IN INTELLIGENCE AND SAID THERE IS NO WAY THEY COULD DO THIS.

MASSIVE INTELLIGENCE AND MASSIVE MILITARY AND IT WAS ELOQUENT AND POLITICAL MISCALCULATION IF YOU WILL SOME WHAT SPEAK SYNTHESIZE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND APPRECIATING THE ADDITIONAL WORKER VISAS WHEN THEY USE THEM TO CASE THE PLACE AND HOW TO TAKE IT DOWN.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY IN HUMAN, BARBARIC.

ULTIMATELY, ISRAELIS FIGURED OUT IT VERY IMPRESSIVELY HOW TO DEGRADE THEM THERE WAS A LOT OF DAMAGE AND LOSS OF LIFE.

MORE IMPRESSIVELY IN THIS REGARD IS WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.

THEY BASICALLY DEFEATED HEZBOLLAH AS AN ORGANIZATION.

THEY HAVE REDUCED THEIR CAME ABILITIES.

THEY HAVE DETATED THE LEADERSHIP.

THEY WERE IN THE FACES OF THE HEZBOLLAH LEADERSHIP.

MANY LEVELS DOWN AND THE NEXT DAY.

THIS IS A TROJAN HORSE.

THAT PREVENTED HEZBOLLAH FROM USING THE CAPACITY.

THE DEFENSES OF ISRAEL.

THEY COULDN'T COORDINATE THE KIND OF MASSIVE ATTACK OF 150,000 MESS APPRAISALS -- MISSILES ROCKETS AND DRONES.

BECAUSE OF THE DAMAGE DONE.

ISRAEL GOT THE CEASEFIRE THAT'S VERY ADVANTAGEOUS.

>> THE STRATEGIC LEADERSHIP.

WE ARE GETTING SHORT OP TIME THIS IS THE MAIN FOCUS OF YOUR BOOK AND IDEAS AND REGARDING THE EVOLUTION OF WARE FAIR.

THESE PRINCIPALS AT PLAY NOW AND SURGE AND PLAY WERE THEY ATPLAY IN WORLD WAR II?

>> THEY WERE AT PLAY IN EVERY -- >> THEY ARE EVERGREEN.

>> THEY ABSOLUTELY ARE.

THERE ARE MANY CONSTANTS.

DID MOST SIGNIFICANT IS THE IMPORTANCE OF GOOD STRATEGIC LEADERSHIP.

WE HAD SOME REALLY ADMIRABLE FIGURES IN HISTORY.

THEY LOOK AND ARE IMPRESSIVE.

THEY ARE PHYSICALLY FIT AND COURAGEOUS AND ALL OF THE REST.

IF THEY DON'T KNOW THEY ARE AT THE VERY TOP IT DOESN'T MATTER.

JUDGMENT, WHEN PEOPLE ASK WHAT DO YOU WANT IN THE THREE STAR THE OPERATIONAL LEADER IN IRAQ DURING THE SURGE AND AFGHANISTAN.

YOU WANT SOMEONE THAT CAN RUN WITH YOU.

THEY WERE RUNNER.

I WANT SOMEONE WITH GREAT JUDGMENT.

THE FOREMOST QUALITY.

IN VIETNAM WE FAILED THOSE FIGHTING ON THE GROUND BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET THE BIG IDEAS RIGHT FOR 13 YEARS.

WE SAID WE NEED TO FIGHT A BIG WAR, THE VIETNAMESE ASKED US, CAN YOU HELP US WITH SECURITY IN THE VILLAGES.

WE JUST LEARNED LESSONS AND NOT TO BE HOLY HOLE FULLY APPLICABLE.

SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED IN KOREA.

THEY FOCUSED ON BIG FORCES VIETNAMESE BROUGHT IN OUR BIG FORCES.

THE IDEA WAS THAT WE COULD WIN AWARDS WITH NORTH VIETNAM AND VIETCONG INSIDE SOUTH VIETNAM.

THEY COULD ESCALADE ANY TIME WE DID AND KILL TEN OF EVERYONE OF OURS.

THAT WASN'T SUFFICIENT.

WE SHOULD HAVE FOCUSED ON SECURITY OF THE PEOPLE FROM THE BEGINNING.

AS LONG AS THE INSURGENCE THEY HAD SANCTUARY AND RIGHTS AND RECRUITS.

IN THE SURGEON IRAQ, WE WERE DOING CLEAR AND LEAVE OPERATIONS.

WE WERE HANDING OFF TO THE IRAQIS.

THERE IS BECAUSE OF THE CIVIL WAR.

THE ROCKIES COULD NO LONGER HANDLE IT.

WE HAD TO REVERSE THE BIG IDEAS 180 DEGREES.

DOESN'T GET BIGGER THAN COMPLETELY DOING THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU WERE DOING.

WE HAD TO LIVE WITH THE PEOPLE.

WE HAD TO CONDUCT RECONCILIATIONS WE COULDN'T WIN A WAR OF ATTRITION AGAIN.

WHEN YOU PHASE SUCH A HUGE FORCE YOU CAN'T KILL OR CAPTURE YOUR WAY TO VICTORY.

YOU HAVE TO RECONCILE WITH AS MANY AS YOU CAN.

THE IRRECONCILABLES YOU HAVE TO GO OUT WITH THEM WITH THE MOST TARGETED ELEMENTS.

WE DO THAT EVERY SINGLE NIGHT I HAVE OFFERED, IN FACT, TO SOME LEADERS IF THEY WANT TO ACHIEVE THEIR OBJECTIVES.

IT'S A TOUGH CALL.

WE LEARNED THIS THE HARD WAY.

>> THE BOOK IS CONFLICT THE EVOLUTION OF WARFARE.

GENERAL DAVID, FASCINATING STUFF.

GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> THANK YOU, TED.

>>> I'M JEFF BENNETT.

THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS CUTTING RATES IN THE DANCE TO KEEP THE U.S. ECONOMY ON TRACK.

THAT'S AT 6:00 ON ARIZONA PBS.

>>> ACASA IS A SPECIAL ADVOCATE WHOSE ROLE LOOKS OUT IN THE BEST INTEREST.

HELPING TO SEE THEY ARE PLACED IN SAFE, LOVING, AND PERMANENT HOMES.

SHE'S JOINING US NOW.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> GIVE US A BETTER DEFINITION OF ACASA AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

>> WHAT I EXPLAINED, ACASA IS A VOLUNTEER AND GIVING A VOICE TO THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE A VOICE.

ROUGHLY AROUND 5,000 IN THE COUNTY ALUM.

ONLY IN THE 100s.

THIS IS HOW MANY VOLUNTEERS YOU HAVE.

YOU GET APPOINTED TO A FAMILY AND IT CAN BE ONE OR MULTIPLE KIDS IN THE FAMILY AND HELP THEM THROUGH THE SYSTEM.

YOU GO TO THE COURT ON THEIR BEHALF YOU ARE THE ONE CONSTANT.

THEY MIGHT CHANGE DIFFERENT HOMES EVEN THEY DO A GREAT JOB YOU ARE THERE PARENT TEACHER CONFERENCES.

ANYTHING TO HELP WITH THE CHILDREN JUST TO GIVE THEM STABILITY.

>> THE PROCESS, THE COURT APPOINTED PRO PROCESS.

DO YOU GET THE CHOSE BUT NO, THIS IS WHO YOU ARE WORKING WITH.

>> THERE ARE 30 HOURS OF TRAINING YOU DO AND ROUGHLY 10 TO 15 HOURS PER MONTH YOU ACTUALLY BE INVOLVED AND IN ACASA.

ARE THERE REQUIREMENTS?

>> REALLY YOU HAVE TO BE A U.S. CITIZEN AND 21 YEARS OR OLDER ALSO HAVE A LOVE FOR CHILDREN.

THERE IS THEY HAVE FINGERPRINTING.

THEY DO THE BACK GROUND CHECK BECAUSE YOU WORK WITH CHILDREN THERE IS A TON OF TRAINING.

EVEN THE VOICES HELP SUPPORT THEM AND THERE IS SO MUCH TRAINING INVOLVED THERE ARE COURT REPORTS BECAUSE PEOPLE GET FREAKED OUT I HAVE TO HELP WITH A COURT REPORT.

THE COURTS HAVE PEOPLE THAT CAN HELP YOU THROUGH THE TRAINING.

>> DO THEY SAY I NEED HELP HERE?

HOW DOES IT WORK.

>> REALLY, I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE IF YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE WE HAVE INFORMATION SESSIONS PEOPLE CAN GO TO EVERY QUESTION ANSWERED AND WHAT I NEED TO DO.

WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE IF I HAVE TIME AND WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE I RECOMMEND YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE AND GET STARTED FROM THERE.

>> AS FAR AS INTERACTING WITH OTHER AGENCIES AND PROGRAMS HOW DOES THAT WORK?

>> AS FAR AS OTHER PROGRAMS?

>> YEAH, YEAH, LET'S SAY YOU BECOME ACASA.

I'M WORRIED ABOUT THIS OR THAT.

WHERE DO YOU GO?

>> THERE IS SO MUCH SUPPORT.

WE HAVE COORDINATORS IN THE SYSTEM THEY WILL GUIDE YOU IN SO MANY WAYS.

YOU WORK HAND IN HAND WITH DCS.

YOU WORK WITH THEIR TEACHERS.

YOU GET SUPPORT AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION AND KNOWING THE CHILD ORE CHILDREN TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT THEY NEED.

>> UH-HUH.

>> THEY WILL GET PLACED FASTER AND DO BETTER IN SCHOOL.

THEY WILL AGE OUT OF THE SYSTEM IT'S NOT VERY LIKELY THEY WILL BE ON THE STREETS.

THAT'S ANOTHER STATISTIC THAT'S SAD.

>> YOU SEE THE RESULTS.

>> YEAH, IT'S HUGE.

>> HOW LONG DO THE CASES LAST?

>> WE TELL YOU TO PREPARE FOR A YEAR TO TWO YEARS.

MY CASES HAVE BEEN AROUND THAT TIME.

IT CAN GO SHORTER OR LONGER.

IT DEPENDS ON THE CASE.

IF THEY APPOINTED YOU TO IT YOU GET TO PICK.

THERE ARE FILES OF THE CHILDREN IN THE SYSTEM THIS IS THE RIGHT FIT.

I'D LIKE A TEEN OR BABIES OR MIDDLE SCHOOL.

WHATEVER IT IS THEY WILL GIVE YOU THE FILES.

FEMALE OR MAIL WHATEVER YOU WANT, REALLY, I FEEL LIKE THEY CALL YOU.

IT'S REALLY REACHING OUT TO ME.

>> STAY UNTIL THE CASE HAS CLOSED.

YOU MUST HAVE THAT IN THERE.

>> I'D IMAGE IT WOULD BE SPECIALLY NEEDED IN THE HOLIDAYS.

>> IT'S ALL YEAR-ROUND.

YEAR-ROUND CAUSES ARE JUST NEEDED.

WE WANT MORE AWARENESS BECAUSENO ONE KNOWS WHAT ACASAS IS.

WE WANT PEOPLE TO REALIZE WHAT WE DO AND IF YOU HAVE THE TIME TO REACH OUT.

>> BEST PLACE TO GO TO GET THE INFORMATION.

>> VOICES FOR ACASA CHILDREN.ORG.

>> THIS IS GOOD STUFF.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

♪ [ MUSIC ] ♪♪ >>> TEMPE LAKE IS CELEBRATING THEIR 25th ANNIVERSARY.

IT'S THE HUB FOR ECONOMIC, COMMUNITY EVENTS, SO MUCH SO.

HARD TO IMAGE THE LAKE NOT BEING THERE.

JOINING US IS TEMPE MAYOR NEIL.

>> IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

>> THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME.

>> 125 YEARS, IT SEEMS LIKE YESTERDAY.

I REMEMBER THE BRIDGE ONE WAY.

>> YES.

SOMEDAYS IT SEEMS LONGER AND SOMEDAYS BRAND-NEW.

>> THEY FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE WAS THERE A MINING ACTIVITY AND QUARRIES.

>> YES, ON THE FAR EAST END LIMITED MINING.

MOST OF THE SALT RIVER AND THE RIO.

THERE WAS A BIT OF MINING AND A BIT OF GARAGE DUMPS ALONG THERE AS WELL.

>> THE ASU STARTED IN A ARCHITECTURE CLASS.

THEY RAISE PROPERTY TAXES IN THE COUNTY THIS WOULD HAVE STRETCHED ALL THE WAY OVER THROUGH PHOENIX AND THAT FAILED.

THE VOTERS IN THE CITY SAID YES.

HARRY SAID NOBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT BUT WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING.

10 YEARS LATER IN 1997 I WAS THE MAYOR FOR ABOUT 3 YEARS BY THEN.

WE DECIDED TO BUILD THE TOWN LAKE.

WE STARTED CONSTRUCTION IN 1997.

TOOK TWO YEARS TO BUILD AND WE FINISHED IN 1999.

I REMEMBER WATCHING THAT THING BEING BUILD AND SAYING I'M NOT SURE IF THEY WILL PULL THIS OFF.

>> THERE WERE CONCEPT SKEPTICS.

>> THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CRITICS YOU SHOULD LEAVE THE RIVER BOTTOM THE WAY IT IS.

>> IT USED TO BE REALLY.

UNTIL THE STRUCTURE IN NORTHERN ARIZONA CREATED THE WATER SUPPLY SYSTEM.

IT'S LEGALLY AND TECHNICALLY A FLOOD CONTROL PROJECT.

FROM 100 YEAR FLOODS AND 500 YEAR FLOODS.

THAT'S THE ORIGIN AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PARTICIPATED.

THE COUNTY PARTICIPATED.

IT'S LARGE AND COMPLEX.

>> WE WERE AROUND FOR THE FLOODS.

THEY WERE MONSTER FLOODS WITH CRAZY RAIN U HOW MUCH MORE POSSIBILITY WAS IT.

>> IT COULD BE HIDDEN AS A URBAN DEVELOPMENT AMENITY MORE EASIER.

>> THE ORIGINAL WATER CAME FROM CAP WATER.

>> YES.

>> WHEN WE SEE IT IN THE LAKE WHERE DOES IT COME FROM?

>> THROUGH THE COLORADO RIVER.

>> IS IT.

>> I THOUGHT THAT WAS SRP.

THERE ARE PARLEY SOME PARTICIPATION IN IT.

THERE WERE NINE WELLS UNDER THE LAKE CONSTANTLY IRRIGATING THE LAKE.

OF COURSE, IF THERE IS A MAJOR SNOWFALL IT TOOK 17 HOURS FOR THE WATER TO ARRIVE FROM NORTHERN ARIZONA.

THEY LOWER THE DAMNS.

THE WATER FLOWS THROUGH AND PUT THEM BACK-UP.

>> THE DAMS, WE HAD BLADDER PROBLEMS.

>> THAT WAS AFTER MY TENURE.

>> THE BLADDER DAMS, WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT.

>> WE KNEW AT THE TIME, WE WERE AHEAD OF THE TECHNOLOGY IN EVERY WAY WE LOOK AT IT.

WE GOT A DEAL TO BUILD THE RUBBER INFLATABLES.

A CREDIT TO MY SUCCESSOR AND HIS TEAM WHEN IT BLEW IN 2005.

THEY GOT ALL OF THE FUNDS RECOVERED FROM THE MANUFACTURER.

OF COURSE THEY HAVE THE STEEL GRATES.

>> YES.

>> IS THIS WHAT YOU SEE RIGHT NOW ALONG THE LAKE WHAT WAS ENVISIONED?

>> PARTLY YES.

ONE THING COY TO THE WHOLE PROJECT IS THE PUBLIC WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO 100% OF THE PERIMETER OF THE LAKE.

THEY CAN GO DOWN AND ENJOY THE LAKE WITHOUT THE PRIVATE SECTOR UP TO THE WATER.

WE WANTED MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

ANYONE CAN ENJOY THE PLACE THERE.

CONDOS FOR SALE.

WE SEE MORE DEVELOPMENT EAST ANDREW RAL.

WE THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE FARTHER TO THE EAST I STILL HAVE ARROWS IN MY BACKYARD.

>> IT WAS THE CHINESE MARKET CRASH.

>> OH, OKAY.

>> EVERYBODY REMEMBERS THE PEABODY.

NOW THAT SOMETHING IS GOING DOWN ON THE EAST END.

GOOD THINGS GOING ON ALL AROUND.

>> WHAT IMPROVEMENTS WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE?

WHAT COULD BE BETTER IN THE FUTURE?

>> I THINK ONE VISION WE HAD BETWEEN THE TEMPE CENTER FOR ARTS AND MILL AVENUE AREA MAKE THAT OPEN GREEN SPACE AN ARTS PARK AND FIND ARTIST THAT WOULD PUT THEIR LARGE SCALE SCULPTURES THERE.

THAT HASN'T TAKEN OFF.

OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, ALL IN ALL, IT'S GONE VERY, VERY WELL.

I CREDIT THOSE THAT FIRST BUILT THE LAKE.

THEY KEPT THE VISION ALIVE AND TWEAKED IT A BIT OF COURSE U.

IT'S BEEN A HUGE IMPACT AROUND THE TEMPE TOWN LAKE AREA.

THIS IS HUGE FOR A CITY LANDLOCKED AND CAN'T GO OUT ANY MORE.

>> IS THERE ANY TALK OF PHOENIX DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN OTHER AREAS.

>> THERE IS TREMENDOUS TALK CALLED REIMAGE.

FROM THE ED PASTOR DAYS AND SENATOR McCANE BEFORE HE DIED AND MICHAEL CROW TO WORK ON STIMULATING THINGS.

>> THEY HAVE LEAD THE EFFORT AND GOOD THINGS ARE HAPPENING.

THEY HAVE DONE PROJECTS IN THE PHOENIX PART.

VERY EXCITING.

25 YEARS.

CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT.

FORMER TEMPE MAYOR.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

HAVE A GREAT EVENING.