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>> CATHY: IN THE NEXT HOUR, WE'LL TALK WITH REPUBLICAN LEGISLATIVE LEADERS, MEET THE NEW MINNEAPOLIS POLICE CHIEF, AND WE'LL SHARE SOME NEW HOLIDAY RECIPES JUST IN TIME FOR TURKEY DAY.

PLUS, MARY LAHAMMER PREVIEWS SOME BIG CHANGES COMING TO THE STATE CAPITOL IN JANUARY.

>> Mary: RECORD DIVERSITY IS COMING TO THE CAPITOL, ESPECIALLY IN LEGISLATIVE LEADERSHIP.

WE'LL INTRODUCE YOU O LAWMAKERS WHO ARE MAKING HISTORY.

>> THIS IS REALLY MY FIRST TIME GOING UP HERE.

>> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME BACK ON THE FLOOR.

>> Mary: THAT'S OMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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>> CATHY: WE'LL TALK IN A FEW MINUTES WITH BRIAN O'HARA, THE NEW POLICE CHIEF OF MINNEAPOLIS.

BUT FIRST UP IN THE HOUR, THE CONTINUING FALLOUT FROM THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS.

>> ERIC: IT TOOK MORE THAN A WEEK BUT WE FINALLY LEARNED THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE GAINED CONTROL OF THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

AND MINNESOTA CONGRESSMAN TOM EMMER WAS ELECTED TO BE THE MAJORITY WHIP.

THAT'S THE THIRD RANKING JOB IN THE HOUSE.

NOT TO MENTION SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI STEPPING DOWN FROM A LEADERSHIP POST.

OH, AND DID WE MENTION THAT A CERTAIN FORMER PRESIDENT HAS AGAIN THROWN HIS HAT IN THE RING?

IT'S A BIG TOPIC LIST FOR DAVID SCHULTZ.

HE TEACHES POLITICAL SCIENCE AT HAMLINE UNIVERSITY.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, MERRICK GARLAND, HAS NAMED A SPECIAL COUNSEL TO LOOK INTO WHEN -- I GUESS TO LOOK INTO PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CONDUCT.

GOOD MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE, BAD MOVER, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> IT'S A GOOD MOVE AT THIS POINT ALTHOUGH IT'S STILL NOT GOING TO TAKE THE POLITICS OUT OF IT OR AT LEAST THE PERCEPTION OF POLITICS.

THE FACT THAT HE'S NOT MAKING THE DECISION, IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE INSULATED FROM IT.

I THINK IT'S PROBABLY WHAT HE HAD TO DO.

THIS ALSO MIGHT RAISE KIND OF ONE OF MY ONGOING CONCERNS, IS THAT WE LET THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR LAW EXPIRE ABOUT 30 YEARS GO.

IT MAYBE GOOD TO BRING THAT BACK AS PAYMENT FEATURE AGAIN.

BUT HERE IT'S ABOUT JANUARY 6th, MARA-A-LAGO, IT'S ABOUT JANUARY 6, HE NEEDED TO DO IT.

>> Cathy: WHAT MIGHT BE THE OUTCOME OF THIS, IF HE LOOK AT EVERYTHING, MIGHT THERE BE CHARGES FILED, PERHAPS?

>> PERHAPS, YES.

AND THE RANGE OF CHARGES ARE ALL OVER THE PLAYING.

FOR EXAMPLE, IT COULD VERY WELL BE ALONG THE LINES OF OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, IT COULD BE INTERFERING WITH A GOVERNMENT FUNCTION THAT IS THE JANUARY 6th INTERFERING WITH CONGRESS DOING THE ELECTORAL VOTES.

THERE COULD BE POSSIBILITIES IN TERMS OF, IF THEY CAN SHOW SOME KIND OF COLLUSION BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND THE DEMONSTRATORS OR THE RIOTERS ISSUED CALL IT ON JANUARY 6th.

THERE COULD BE THINGS THERE IN TERMS OF I WOULDING AND ABETTING.

THERE'S ALL KINDS OF POSSIBILITIES SO IT WILL BE UP TO THEM TO DECIDE, DO THEY WISH TO INDICT AND THEN PERHAPS IMPANEL A GRAND JURY.

>> Eric: DO WE HAVE A SENSE HOW HISTORY WILL JUDGE NANCY PELOSI?

>> WELL, SHE'S HAD SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME AND HAS TENACITY.

THEY GIVE HER THE -- SHE WAS THE FIRST FEMALE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, SHE HELD TOGETHER THE DEMOCRATS THROUGH SOME DIFFICULT TIMES.

I THINK SHE WINDS UP GETTING MORE THAN A FOOTNOTES IN HISTORY.

SHE GETS CREDIT FOR A LOT OF IMPORTANT STUFF, ON TOP OF WHICH, WHAT, TWO ITCH PEACHMENTS OF A PRESIDENT.

THAT'S A LOT OF TUFF TO PUT ON A RESUMÉ.

>> Cathy: TALK ABOUT THE SLIM MARGINS OF POWER WHEN IT COMES TO CONTROL.

>> STILL REMEMBER THE FACT THAT REPUBLICANS GOT FIVE MILLION MORE VOTES THAN DEMOCRATS FOR HOUSE AND HALF A MILLION MORE VOTES THAN THE DEMOCRATS FOR THE SENATE.

SO AT ONE LEVEL, THE REPUBLICANS OT A LOT OF VOTES BUT THEY WALK AWAY WITH THE HOUSE IN PROBABLY THE SLIMMEST MAJORITY ABSOLUTELY EVER.

IT WILL BE HARD FOR McCARTHY WHO WANTS TO BE SPEAR, JUST TO BECOME SPEAKER.

HARD ENOUGH FOR HIM TO HOLD TOYING A COALITION AT THIS POINT AND IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO DO VERY MUCH OF ANYTHING, ON TOP OF WHICH THEY NEVER REALLY HAD A PLATFORM OR AGENDA.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING DO IS BE THE PARTY IN OBSTRUCTION, IN THE SENATE, IT'S AT LEAST 50-50, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE U.S. SENATE RAISE.

THE MOST CONNECTION SEQUENTIAL THING FOR THIS, IF PEOPLE LIKE DIVIDED GOVERNMENT AND POLARIZATION, THEY'LL LOVE THE NEXT TWO YEARS, THE CONTINUATION, ECAUSE WE WON'T SEE A LOT OF LEGISLATION PASSED.

IT'S PRESIDENTIAL POWER BY EXECUTIVE ORDER, BUT IT IS MOST IMPORTANT THING I THINK THAT IT IS DEMOCRATS GET AND BIDEN GETS OUT OF THIS IS THEY GET TO CONTROL JUDICIAL NOMINEES.

RIGHT NOW F WE LOOK AT ALL HE FEDERAL JUDGES, 51% ARE APPOINTED BY DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS, 49% BY REPUBLICANS.

THAT'S HOW CLOSE IT IS THERE.

BIDEN CAN PROBABLY FILL ANOTHER 100 JUDICIAL POSITIONS IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

>> Eric: LET'S BRING THE DONALD TRUMP ANNOUNCEMENT TO MINNESOTA.

HE ENDORSED SENATOR JENSEN, THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR.

DIDN'T HELP SENATOR JENSEN.

HE WAS THIRD IN THE MINNESOTA CAUCUSES IN 2016, EHIND RUBIO AND CRUZ.

>> CORRECT.

>> Eric: HOW DOES HE PLAY IN MINNESOTA?

>> HE DOESN'T PLAY WELL IN MINNESOTA, THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR AT THIS POINT.

HE ALSO ENDORSED KIM CROCK SECT, SECRETARIES OF SATE CANDIDATE, AND SHE DIDN'T FAIR VERY WELL.

HE LOST BADLY.

ALL HIS SECRETARY OF STATE PEOPLE WHO WERE SORT OF THE STOLEN ELECTION PEOPLE, EVERY ONE OF THEM LOST, BUT BRINGING IT HOME TO MINNESOTA, HE'S NOT THE STRONGEST CANDIDATE, IF YOU WANT TO WIN MINNESOTA.

AND THERE'S ALL KIND OF INDICATIONS THAT SOME OF HIS LUSTER HAS BEEN DRAMATICALLY DAMAGED AS A RESULT OF NOT JUST JANUARY 6th BUT ALSO THIS ELECTION.

HE'S NOT QUITE THE SAME CANDIDATE TO BREAK THROUGH THE MIDWEST BLUE WALL THAT WE SAW SIX YEARS AGO.

>> Cathy: MIDWEST BLUE WALL, YOU THOUGHT HE HAD A PATH TO THE NOMINATION IN 2016 AND YOU WERE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, SO YES OR NO TO THIS TIME AROUND?

>> I THINK IT'S A LOT HARDER FOR HIM BUT I THINK THE MORE INTERESTING QUESTION TO THINK ABOUT IS LET'S SADIE SANTIS OR WHOEVER -- DETAN CYST SEEMS TO BE THE BIG RIFLE, LET'S SAY HE GETS TO NEXT YEAR AND TRUMP STARTS TO REALIZE HE WON'T BE GETTING THE NOMINATION.

WHAT CAN HE DO?

DON'T RULE OUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A THIRD PARTY FOR DONALD TRUMP AND HE'LL HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION NEXT YEAR, BECAUSE MANY STATES HAVE SORE LOSER LAWS WHICH MEANS IF YOU LOSE THE NOMINATION, YOU CAN'T AT THE LAST MINUTE FLIP AND RUN INDEPENDENT.

MOST STATES IF YOU'RE GOING TO RUN AS A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE, YOU HAVE TO START GETTING YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW LATE IN THE YEAR BEFORE THE ELECTION, SO LOOK TO SEE WHERE HE IS, LET US SAY SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER NEXT YEAR.

I WOULD NOT COMPLETELY RULE OUT THIRD-PARTY TRUMP PARTY.

>> Eric: GIVE US 30 SECONDS ON TOM EMMER AS WHIP IN THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS.

>> I THINK HE'S THE EYES RANKING MINNESOTA CONGRESSMAN EVER IN HISTORY.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE HAS EVER GOTTEN TO THIS LEVEL SO CONGRATULATIONS TO HIM.

THIS IS PRETTY GOOD COUP BECAUSE HE HELPED FLIP THE HOUSE, HE GETS A LOT OF CREDIT FOR THAT AND MINNESOTA, I THINK, SHOULD BENEFIT FROM THE FACT THAT, WHAT, WE HAVE SOMEBODY AT THAT LEVEL OF LEADERSHIP.

IN THE PAST PEOPLE LIKE JIM OBERSTAR AND PEOPLE LIKE THAT HELPED MINNESOTA VERY WELL.

>> Eric: THANKS, PROFESSOR.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> >> HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

>> ERIC: AND NOW FOR SOME STATE-LEVEL POLITICS, WE TURN TO BIG CHANGES AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

DOZENS OF NEW LAWMAKERS ARE COMING TO THE CAPITOL AND THEY BRING A RECORD AMOUNT OF DIVERSITY.

THAT'’S CERTAINLY TRUE FOR THE NEW LEADERS IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE.

"ALMANAC'’"S CAPITOL CREW OF MARY LAHAMMER AND SCOTT TROTMAN CAPTURED THESE LEADERS' HISTORIC FIRST MOMENTS IN THIS REPORT.

>> Mary: SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE BEEN BACK SINCE YOU GOT A NEW JOB?

>> YES, IT IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I'VE BEEN BACK.

>> Mary: THE CAPITOL IS FULL OF FIRSTS THESE DAYS.

>> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME BACK ON THE FLOOR.

>> Mary: SO WHAT'S THE INITIAL IMPRESSION?

>> IT ALWAYS IS A PLACE THAT TAKES MY BREATH ARE AWAY.

>> Mary: REPRESENTATIVE LISA DEMUTH IS THE HOUSE ANY REPUBLICAN MINORITY LEADER AND SENATOR BOBBY JOE CHAMPION WILL BE THE NOT OF THE SENATE.

>> THIS IS MY IRST TIME GOING UP HERE.

>> Mary: THIS IS BIG.

HEADS ON UP, PRESIDENT FIRST.

>> WELL, LET ME JUST SAY THAT IT'S SURREAL.

IT'S EXCITING.

AND I SEE IT AS AN HONOR.

>> Mary: THIS IS A BIG MICROPHONE.

>> THIS IS.

>> Mary: THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PLACE AND THIS IS GOING TO BE YOUR NEW SPOT.

>> THIS IS GOING TO BE MY NEW SPOT.

I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I HAVE SAT VERY CLOSE OVER THE YEARS WITHOUT A DOUBT BUT THE HONOR OF GETTING TO SERVE BOTH MY CAUCUS AND THE STATE OF MINNESOTA IN THIS ROLE, I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO IT AND I'M READY FOR IT.

>> Mary: DID YOU TAKE OTES WHILE YOU WERE BACK HERE?

DID YOU REALLY EVER THINK YOU WOULD BE HERE?

>> NEVER.

>> Mary: REALLY.

>> NEVER.

>> Mary: IT'S THAT UNEXPECTED FOR YOU, AS WELL?

>> YEAH.

>> Mary: BUT PERHAPS NOT SO UNEXPECTED WITH THE RECORD AMOUNT OF DIVERSITY COMING TO THE CAPITOL THAT THESE TWO LEADERS WOULD BE THE ONES TO BREAK BARRIERS.

YOU BECOME THE FIRST PERSON OF COLOR TO PRESIDE OVER ANY LEGISLATIVE BODY IN THIS ENTIRE BUILDING.

HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT EXTRA HEAVY LAYER?

>> YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT BIT BUT I WAS SO -- I WAS CONCENTRATING SO MUCH ON THE SENATE THAT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AND NEVER HAVE HAD A PERSON OF COLOR PRESIDE OVER A LEGISLATIVE BODY IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA UNTIL THIS MOMENT AND I HOPE THAT WE ALL CELEBRATE THAT, AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S A FIRST, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE LAST.

>> Mary: YOU MAKES HISTORY ON A COUPLE OF LEVELS.

FIRST, LET'S TALK GENDER BECAUSE YOU ARE THE FIRST WOMAN TO LEAD THIS CAUCUS.

THAT'S REMARKABLE IN 2021, ISN'T IT?

>> IT IS.

>> Mary: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT AND WHY GENDER MIGHT MATTER?

>> IT'S TIME FOR WOMEN TO HAVE THEIR VOICE AND WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE ASKED, WE SHOULDN'T EVER TO STAND UP BUT LET ME BE THAT PERSON.

I HAVE NEVER LED WITH BEING A BLACK WOMAN AND THAT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK FROM BEING BORN IN MY DISTRICT AND IT WAS VERY CONTROVERSIAL AT THE TIME THAT I WAS BORN.

MY FAMILY CHOOSE TO MOVE US BACK INTO MINNEAPOLIS.

BECAUSE IT WAS -- IT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT AND THE DISCRIMINATION THAT TOOK PLACE.

I CHOSE TO GO BACK AS AN ADULT, AND I HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, TOO, MARY, BEING BIRACIAL, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU AS A LITTLE GIRL, I WAS NEVER BLACK ENOUGH FOR THE BLACK KIDS AND I WAS NEVER WHITE ENOUGH FOR THE WHITE KIDS.

AND THAT WAS A REALLY HARD PLACE TO BE.

>> IT ALWAYS MAKES ME FEEL KIND OF QUEASY WHEN I STAND HERE BECAUSE I REALIZE I'M STANDING ON THE SHOULDERS OF SO MANY OTHERS AND I KNOW THAT WE TALKED BRIEFLY EARLIER ABOUT Dr. ROBERT LEWIS WHO WAS THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN ELECTED TO THE MINNESOTA SENATE IN 1972 ROM THE GREAT CITY OF ST. LOUIS PARK.

>> Mary: SENATOR CHAMPION HAS BEEN IN THE SENATE FOR ALMOST A DECADE.

BEFORE THAT, HE SUFFERED A COUPLE OF TERMS IN THE HOUSE.

REPRESENTATIVE DEMUTH IS A NEWER FACE, COMPLETING UST HER SECOND TERM IN THE LEGISLATURE.

>> GETTING TO SERVE IN THIS ROLE AS A LEGISLATOR OVER IT IS LAST TWO SESSIONS HAVE BEEN AN MAZING OPPORTUNITY.

I NEVER EXPECTED TO EVEN BE IN THE LEGISLATURE.

>> Mary: MEN OFTEN RAISE THEIR HANDS AND WOMEN ARE ASKED AND IF WOMEN ARE ASKED, THEY SAY YES.

WAS THAT YOUR SITUATION?

>> YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO TAKE US BACK TO THE SCHOOL BOARD FOR JUST A MOMENT BECAUSE THAT WAS EXACTLY IT.

THERE WERE TWO OPEN SPOTS AND I REMEMBER SEEING THAT IN THE NEWSPAPER, TEARING THE PAGE OUT AND LEAVING IT ON MY HUSBAND'S PLATE FOR DINNER AND SAID, YOU NEED TO DO THIS.

AND HE SAID, I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT, YOU DO IT.

>> I HINK IT'S A GREAT REFLECTION OF WHO WE ARE AS MINNESOTANS FOR US TO SAY,IAN WHAT?

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS A DIVERSE GROUP OF PEOPLE SERVING AND BEING VISIBLE AND THINKING BOUT WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF ALL MINNESOTANS.

>> ETTING TO MAKE HISTORY, THAT WAS NOT MY FOCUS, ND IT IS OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A CAUCUS ELECTION TO GETS ME TO THIS POINT AND IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT THAT MY CAUCUS KNEW, IF YOU WERE CHECKING A BOX BECAUSE I'M A WOMAN OR I'M A BLACK WOMAN, PLEASE DON'T DO THAT.

PLEASE ELECT ME BECAUSE YOU FEEL I CAN LEAD US THROUGH THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

>> Mary: AND DID YOU ARTICULATE THAT?

>> I DID.

>> Mary: WHAT WAS THE RESPONSE, HOW DID THAT FELL IN THE ROOM WHEN YOU SAID THAT?

>> I WAS REALLY NERVOUS BECAUSE IT'S TRUE, I'M NOT HERE TO CHECK A BOX.

>> GEORGE FLOYD, WHEN WHERE HE UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED, INTERNATIONALLY PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT US, AND GUESS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING?

WHAT ARE YOU GOING DO?

WHAT ARE YOU GOING DO DIFFERENTLY IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE OTHER VOICES AT THE TABLE.

>> Mary: AND WE'RE ANSWERING?

ARE WE ANSWERING?

>> THIS IS THE FIRST STEP TO ANSWERING.

I SAY YES, RIGHT.

THERE IS A SAYING THAT SAYS IF YOU'RE NOT AT THE TABLE, THEN YOU'RE ON THE MENU.

MY PARENTS MIGRATED FROM THE SOUTH TO THE NORTH.

I WAS BORN IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS.

I WAS THE FIRST PERSON IN MY ENTIRE FAMILY TO GO TO COLLEGE.

I JUST WANTED TO BE THE BLACK PERRY MASON.

>> Mary: HOW IMPORTANT IS IT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE GOING GO FEE OF POLITICS RIGHT NOW?

>> I THINK THE GEOGRAPHY OF POLITICS IS REALLY INTENSE AND I'LL BRING US BACK TO 2020, AFTER GEORGE FLOYD'S DEATH, AND AFTER EVERYTHING THAT TOOK PLACE THEN, I HAD A CHANCE TO TOUR WITH SOME-JUST A FEW COLLEAGUES BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE.

I GREW UP ON 31st AND ELIOT FROM THE TIME I WAS IN 7th THROUGH 11th GRADE AND THAT CHANGED THE TONE.

I HAD A CHANCE WITH MY CAUCUS AND WITH MY CONSTITUENTS TO REALLY BUILD WHO I AM AND WHAT I COULD DO TO SERVE THEM, AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS PART OF ME, AND I'M GOING TO GET TO BE ON A SELECT COMMITTEE FOR RACIAL JUSTICE AND THAT WAS IMPORTANT WORK.

FLOYD.

>> Mary: IS YOUR HISTORY WITH A GRAMMY-NOMINATED CHORAL ENSEMBLE DIRECTING THAT?

IS THAT GOING TO BE SKILLS YOU TAKE UP THERE?

>> ABSOLUTELY, AND, REMEMBER, I STARTED THAT ALONG WITH OTHERS WHEN I WAS 13 YEARS OLD SO THAT'S ONE OF HOSE THINGS THAT I JUST ANTED US TO STAY OUT OF TROUBLE.

I'LL BE LEADING AND DIRECTING THE SENATE AS I HAVE LADY AND DIRECTED EXCELSIOR AND OTHER MUSICAL GROUPS.

>> WE ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

WE'RE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WE WERE BEFORE BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE, ESPECIALLY IN MINNESOTA, WE ARE ESILIENT AND IT IS TIME TO GET TO WORK AND DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR MINNESOTA.

♪♪ >> CATHY: A FEW WEEKS BACK, WE INTRODUCED YOU TO AXEL HENRY, THE NEW POLICE CHIEF IN ST. PAUL.

TONIGHT WE ARE JOINED AT THE TABLE BY MINNEAPOLIS POLICE CHIEF BRIAN O'HARA.

HE WAS SWORN INTO OFFICE LAST WEEK.

WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, CHIEF.

>> THANK YOU.

GOOD TO BE HERE.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> Cathy: CONGRATULATIONS, BY THE WAY.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Cathy: WHAT IS JOB ONE FOR YOU?

>> WELL, JOB ONE HAS BEEN EVEN BEFORE I TOOK OFFICE TO GO AROUND AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN THE COMMUNITY, TO MEET AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE AND START TO HEAR PEOPLE'S CONCERNS.

SINCE BECOMING CHIEF, I'VE TRIED TO THAT NOW INTERNALLY, NOW THAT I'M ABLE TO BE A PART OF, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION AND THINGS THAT ONLY SWORN PERSONNEL ARE ABLE TO BE A PART OF, AND IT JUST SORT OF IDENTIFYING AND LEARNING WHERE PEOPLE ARE, WHAT'S GOING RIGHT AND WHAT SORT OF WHAT THE GAPS ARE FROM WHERE WE ARE NOW VERSUS WHERE WE WANT TO BE.

>> Eric: FROM WHAT YOU WERE SOLD ON THE SITUATION TO WHAT YOU NOW EXPERIENCED, IS THERE A IG GAP OR IS IT KINDS OF AS ADVERTISED AS YOU BEGIN YOUR WORK HERE?

>> WELL, I THINK IT'S MOST IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT I SAW THIS POLICE DEPARTMENTS ON MY TELEVISION, ROUTINELY, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THIS COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD.

AND THERE IS A PERCEPTION ASSOCIATED WITH THIS DEPARTMENT AND THE PEOPLE WHO WORK HERE ND THAT IS NOT THE REALITY FROM WHATTIVE SEEN.

THE REALITY FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN OF THESE POLICE OFFICERS IS WE HAVE A LOT OF PROMISE WITH THE OFFICERS WHO HAVE PERCENT VARIED AND WHO HAVE RE -- PERSEVERED AND REMAINED.

GRANTED, HUNDREDS OF OFFICERS HAVE LEFT SINCE THE SOCIAL UPs RISING BUT I THINK THE PERCEPTION OF THE PEOPLE WHO WORK HERE TODAY IS NOT ACCURATE.

>> Cathy: SO YOU THINK THE RIGHT PEOPLE LEFT, IN A SENSE?

>> I THINK WE ARE FORTUNATE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE REMAINED ARE RESILIENT.

THEY DID NOT TAKE THE EASY WAY OUT AND I THINK FROM WHAT I'VE HERALD, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, THERE IS CERTAINLY A LOT OF MOTIVATION TOWARDS TRYING TO REFORM AND TO TRY AND MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER, AND I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, ALSO.

>> Eric: MINNEAPOLIS CITY COUNCIL SETS THE BUDGET NEXT MONTH.

>> YES.

>> Eric: HOW MUCH HAVE YOU BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT?

ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH WHAT LOOKS LIKE COMING YOUR WAY FOR THE DEPARTMENT?

>> WELL, OBVIOUSLY I WASN'T AN EMPLOYEE GOING INTO THIS SO, YES, I MEAN, FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN, I'M SATISFIED.

I THINK THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS MOVING FORWARD, ENSURING THAT WE'RE ABLE TO RECRUIT AND SCREEN IN NOT JUST AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE NEED BUT WE'RE SCREENING IN HE RIGHT TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT OUR RESIDENTS WANTS TO SEE.

OUR RESIDENTS WANT GOOD POLICING, THAT'S WHAT'S CLEAR ACROSS THE BOARD.

>> Cathy: YOU HAVE TO RECRUIT, YOU MENTIONED HUNDREDS HAVE LEFT SO YOU HAVE A PRETTY BIG JOB IN TERMS OF RECRUITING.

WHAT'S YOUR PITCH?

>> YES.

SO I THINK -- YES, IT'S CRISIS IN TERMS OF STAFFING AND THIS SHORTSAGE BUT IT'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY AND I THINK THE PITCH THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, WE'RE TRYING TO BE SPECIFIC TOWARDS PEOPLE FROM THE CITY, FROM MINNEAPOLIS BECAUSE FOLKS HERE HAVE BEEN THROUGH A OT AND FROM WHAT I HAVE LEARNED WITH MEETING WITH COMMUNITY AND BEING AND YOUNG PEOPLE SPECIFICALLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY, THAT THERE IS A HUNGER TO TRY AND MOVE FORWARD AND TO TRY TO MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER TO MAKE THINGS DIFFERENT, AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE FIND THAT MEANINGFUL, AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO TRY AND TAP INTO.

>> Eric: FOLKS, RIMINALS TENDS TO AGE OUT OF BAD BEHAVIOR AND I WONDER IF YOU'VE GOT SOME SPECIFIC IDEAS FOR THE YOUNGER OFFENDERS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CAR-JACKERS HAVE BEEN 14, 13.

>> YEAH, YEAH.

>> Eric: WHAT HAVE WE GOT FOR THE KIDS WHO ARE AT RISK?

>> SO, I THINK IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THOSE WHO ARE AT RISK THAT ARE CAUSING THE MOST HARM IN OUR COMMUNITIES, I THINK IT'S A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE.

UNFORTUNATELY, AS LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH THOSE WHO ARE CAUSING THE OST HARM IN THE COMMUNITIES, THE MOST WE CAN DO IS HOLD FOLKS ACCOUNTABLE.

I THINK IN TERMS F WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT, IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOTES THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE HELD OR THEY'RE RELEASED, WHETHER SERVICES ARE PROVIDED OR THEY'RE MONITORED, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE UP TO OTHER ASPECTS OF THE SYSTEM.

FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN, THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS HERE IS DOING THEIR JOB IN TERMS OF HOLDING YOUNG PEOPLE ACCOUNTABILITY BUT I THINK WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THE REST OF THE SYSTEM IS DOING THEIR PART, AS WELL.

>> Cathy: SO I KNOW THAT YOU ARE -- YOU SEEM LIKE YOU'RE OPTIMISTIC ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WHICH IS GOOD BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE POLICE UNION, WHICH IS PRETTY POWERFUL AS YOU KNOW.

THERE IS A PROPOSAL TO SPLIT THE UNION INTO TWO SEPARATE UNIONS.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT?

>> WELL, THAT'S ACTUALLY A MATTER OF LITIGATION.

I DON'T BELIEVE I CAN COMMENT ON IT SIMPLY OTHER THAN SAYING THAT THAT IS THE CASE, THAT I AM AWARE THAT THERE IS PENDING LITIGATION REGARD IT.

>> Cathy: WHAT'S YOUR RELATIONSHIP OR WHAT MIGHT BE YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UNION, BECAUSE I'M SUNNING IN NEWARK THERE WAS A RELATIONSHIP THERE, TOO.

>> IN NEWARK, IT A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE, THAT REPRESENTS THE POLICE OFFICERS THERE AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT I CAN ESTABLISH, YOU KNOW, THE SAME TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP HERE.

I THINK HE REALITY IS, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THE UNION WILL HAVE TO DO THINGS THE CHIEF WILL DISAGREE WITH AND SOMETIMES THE CHIEF WILL HAVE TO DO THINGS THE UNION WILL DISAGREE WITH.

BUT I'M HOPEFUL IF OUR INTERESTS FOR THE MOST PART ARE TRYING O ADVANCE GOOD WORKING CONDITIONS FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A LOT OF AREAS WHERE WE CAN AGREE.

>> Eric: YOU WERE THE LIAISON IN NEW WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

WE'VE GOT THAT UNDERWAY IN MINNEAPOLIS AND BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHAT CAN WE EXPECT FROM THAT?

>> WELL, WE CAN EXPECT IT TO BE A VERY DEEP PROCESS.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET INTO, WHETHER IT'S THE STATE CONSENT DECREE OR A FEDERAL CONSENT DECREE, ESPECIALLY, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A FACELIFT.

IT'S GOING TO BE SOME DEEP CHANGE.

IT'S GOING TO ESSENTIALLY GET TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM AND THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM IN POLICING IN THIS COUNTRY, PARTICULARLY IN URBAN POLICING, EVOLVES AROUND -- REVOLVES AROUND ISSUES OF CULTURE.

SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS WE WILL HAVE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS AND THEY WILL BE MANY THINGS AND WE'LL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE TON ATO AN INDEPENDENT MONITOR THAT OUR POLICE HAVE ADOPTED NEW WAYS AND PROCEDURES AND HAVE ONE SO TO NEAR LEVELS.

THAT IS WHAT'S EXPECTED UNDER A CONSENTS DECREE.

BUT MOVING FORWARDS, THE WAY YOU GETS OUT OF THESE THINGS, YOU ACTUALLY ARIFE IN A SITUATION WHERE THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS IS MORE RESPONSIVE, MORE ENGAGED AND HAS ACTUALLY SHIFTED ITS CULTURE TO A PLACE WHERE COMMUNITIES WANTS ITS TO BE.

>> Eric: A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ROOTING FOR YOU.

>> Cathy: WHERE DO YOU START WITH THE CULTURE QUESTION, THOUGH, THAT IS REALLY TOUGH.

>> THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS NOT A CHECKLIST OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO AND JUST BE DONE WITH IT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OT ONE PERSON CAN DEAL WITH.

BUT IT'S SOMETHING PARTICULARLY FOR THE CHIEF AND THE LIMM OF THE AGENCY THAT WE NEED TO CULTIVATE EVERY DAY.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REWARDING THE BEHAVIORS THAT WE WANT TO SEE AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HOLDING THOSE ACCOUNTABLE WHO DO NOT PERFORM TO THE STANDARDS THAT WE EXPECT AND I THINK MOVING FORWARD, I THINK EVENTUALLY OVER TIME WE WILL BE IN A PLACE WHERE THE CULTURE WILL SHIFT TO SOMETHING THAT RESIDENTS WANT TO SEE.

>> Eric: I HOPE YOU'LL COME BACK AND SEE US ONCE IN A WHILE AND IVE US SOME UPDATES.

>> THANK YOU.

THANKS A LOT.

>> Cathy: THANK YOU.

>> Eric: THANKS, CHIEF.

♪♪ >> MARY: IT'S AN "ALMANAC" TRADITION THAT STRETCHES BACK DECADES.

ON THE FRIDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING, WE INVITE A CHEF TO JOIN US TO SHARE SOME HOLIDAY RECIPES TO HELP ALL OF US BROADEN OUR HORIZONS.

TONIGHT I'M JOINED BY CHEF AMALIA MORENO-DAMGAARD.

SHE'S BEEN FEATURED ON TPT'S DIGITAL COOKING SERIES "RELISH."

AND SHE HAS COOKBOOKS OUT, I HEARD YOU ON RAID I CAN'T THIS WEEK.

YOU'RE BUSY WOMAN AND WHAT ARE YOU MAKING FOR US TONIGHT?

>> WELL, HANK YOU FOR HAVING ME, FIRST OF ALL.

I AM MAKING A NICARAGUAN DISH, A STUFFING CALLED RELLENO, MADE WITH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES, WITH WINE AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE GOOD THINGS AROUND HERE.

>> Mary: ALL THE SWEET AND STAFFRIES.

>> YES.

I'M GOING TO START WITH SOME OIL, I PREHEATED MY STOVE AND THEN I AM GOING TO ADD BUTTER INTO THE OIL SO THAT IT DOESN'T BURN.

SO IT STARTS MELTING QUICKLY.

THEN I'M GOING TO ADD SOME ONION AND THIS IS A QUICK SAUTE.

ONCE YOU HAVE EVERYTHING PREPPED, AHEAD OF TIME, YOU CAN DO THIS THE DAY BEFORE, IT'S A MATTER OF JUST PUTTING IT TOGETHER AND IT'S A LOT OF FUN TO DO THAT.

SO THIS IS MY MISSEN PLASS.

IT INCLUDES CUTTING THE VEGETABLES IN A VERY SMALL WAY BECAUSE THE SMALLER THEY ARE, THE FASTER THEY WILL COOK.

SO I HAVE BAY LEAVES, SALT, I HAVE GARLIC, I HAVE ONIONS SO THAT ARE AND THEN I AM ALSO ADDING SOME RAISINS AND NOW I AM GOING TO DEGLAZE WITH SOME WINE AND THIS IS GOING TO BE MY NICE CHILIAN SAUVIGNON -- CABERNET SAUVIGNON.

>> Mary: IF YOU DON'T HAVE CHILLIAN WINE AT HOME, WE GIVE YOU ALTERNATIVES IN THE RECIPE THAT'S ON LINE FOR YOU FOLKS.

>> I ALWAYS SAY YOU SHOULD COOK WITH A WINE YOU IKE, IF YOU LIKE CABERNET, MALL BECK, WHATEVER YOU LIKE, THAT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD USE.

IT SHOULD BE A OOD QUALITY WINE.

GOOD QUALITY INGREDIENTS PRODUCE GOOD QUALITY FOOD.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDS THE REST OF THE VEGETABLES, CARROTS, AND THEN -- >> PEPPERS, YEP.

>> BELL PEPPERS AND THEN THE PINEAPPLE.

>> Mary: SUCH A GREAT MIX OF SWEET AND SAVORY HERE.

I LOVE THAT.

>> ABSOLUTELY, AND I HAVE ADDED SALT BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO GOING TO ADD SOME SWEET AND THE SWEET COMES FROM THE VANILLA AND THIS IS SLICED PIMENTO OLIVES AND WE ARE GOING TO ALSO ADD THE -- >> Mary: ARE YOU READY?

POTATO.

>> THE POTATOES, AND I HAVE THE POTATOES IN WATER BECAUSE THEY OXIDIZE.

IF YOU CUT THEM AHEAD OF TIME, THEN YOU WANT TO KEEP THEM IN WATER UNTIL THE TIME THAT YOU USE THEM.

AND SO THEN WE'RE GOING TO ALSO ADD THE -- SQUASH.

>> Mary: THIS IS PRE-CUT HERE, THIS IS WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE BEFORE AND AFTER.

>> YES, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY DELICIOUS, ONE OF MY FAVORITE VEGETABLES.

>> Mary: AND ANY SQUASH IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS PARTICULAR ONE, ANY SQUASH WILL DO?

>> YES, YOU COULD SUBSTITUTE WITH ANY WINTER SQUASH OUT THERE.

THIS IS A SEASON FOUR SQUASH, DEFINITELY, AND SO -- THIS IS THE SEASON FOR SQUASH, DEFINITELY, AND YOU CAN ADD WHATEVER YOU LIKE, KEEPING IN MIND THE SQUASH IS GOING TO ADD SWEETNESS TO IT.

THIS IS THE END RESULT.

>> Mary: THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE END, GO TO OUR WEBSITE TPT.ORG/RECIPES TO GET THIS RECIPE AND WE'LL BE BACK LATER IN THE SHOW WITH A DRINK THAT WILL REALLY JAZZ UP YOUR HOLIDAYS, WE PROMISE.

THANK YOU.

♪♪ >> ERIC: THE DEBATE CONTINUES... WAS THE DRAMATIC VIKINGS WIN SUNDAY IN OVERTIME AGAINST THE BILLS THE GREATEST GAME IN SIX DECADES OF VIKINGS HISTORY?

LET'S HAVE LARRY FITZGERALD, SENIOR, WEIGH IN ON THAT.

THE VETERAN SPORTS REPORTER CAN BE HEARD ON THE NATIONAL PROGRAMMING RADIO NETWORK.

WELL, WHAT SAY YOU, LARRY, SENIOR?

>> ONE OF THE GREATEST VICTORIES I'VE SEEN IN VIKING HISTORY.

THEY'VE HAD MANY AND TO GO OVER THE GAMES, THE HEART-BREAKS, THE GREAT VICTORIES, THE CLOSE CALLS, BUT AS I WAS SAYING BEFORE WE WENT ON AIR, TO WATCH THAT VICTORY OVER BUFFALO, KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, BUFFALO IS A SUPER BOWL FAVORITE.

THEY BELIEVE THIS TEAM HAS THE MAKE-UP, OFFENSIVELY AND DEFENSIVELY, COACHING EXPERIENCE, TO WIN IT ALL.

AND MINNESOTA WENT IN THERE AND TOOK IT TO 'EM, AND THEY DID IT IN A WAY WHERE THAT'S NOT THE WAY YOU DO IT.

YOU DON'T FALL BEHIND BY 17 AND THEN LATE IN THE THIRD QUARTER BUT THAT'S WHAT THE MINNESOTA VIKINGS HAVE THIS YEAR.

THEY HAVE A MENTAL CAPACITY THAT'S ONE OF THE GREATEST I'VE SEEN FOR A VIKING TEAM.

>> Cathy: BUT DO YOU WARE, FITZY, THAT THE WINS THEY'VE HAD, SEVEN AT THIS POINT, HAVE BEEN PRETTY CLOSE, BY CLOSE MARGINS?

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, IF YOU'RE A REALLY GOOD TEAM, SHOULDN'T YOU BEATS THE HECK OUT OF YOUR OPPONENT?

I DON'T KNOW, DON'T YOU WORRY ABOUT THAT OR IS THAT JUST ME?

>> YOU SHORTEN THEM, THEY'RE 8 AND ONE AND LAST YEAR THEY ONLY WON EIGHT GAMES, THEY WERE 8-9.

SO THEY HAVE EIGHT GAMES LEFT BUT THE WAY THEY HAVE DONE IT, THEY HAVE FOUND A WAY THAT THEY DON'T GIVE UP ON THEMSELVES, THEY'VE FOUND DIFFERENT WAYS TO WIN.

THEY DON'T TAKE A LOT OF PENALTIES.

THE OTHER TEAM GETS THE PENALTIES.

THEY'RE WINNING THE TURNOVER RATIO.

THEY'RE MAKING HE BIG PLAYS, THEY'VE GOT THE HOMERUN HITTER, ONE OF THE GREATEST RECEIVERS, ONLY IN HIS THIRD YEAR, ALREADY OVER A THOUSAND YARDS BUT JUSTIN JEFFERSON IS THE REAL DEAL.

THIS YOUNG MAN WANTS TO WIN, HE WANTS THE BALL AND THEY'RE FINDING A WAY TO GET IT TO HIM AT THE MOST OPPORTUNISTIC TIME.

>> Cathy: KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE LARRY FITZGERALD, JR. >> Eric: THERE IS A CASE TO BE MADE.

TIMBERWOLVES, THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE COORDINATING GO WITH KAT AND GOUBERT, AREN'T THEY?

>> I WAS TALKING O TIM THIBIDO, FORMER COACH AND THEY BEAT THEM AND I GOT TO HIM AND TALKED TO HIM AND I SAID, IS THIS TEAM LEGIT?

CAN THEY WIN?

HE SAYS YES, THIS TEAM IS LOADED WITH TALENT.

THEY HAVE THREE OF THE TOP 25 PLAYERS IN THE N.B.A.

AND HE SAYS IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE TIME FOR THEM TO GET IT TOGETHER AND I THINK WE'RE SEEING IT.

THEY.

>> ' HAD A WINNING RECORD IN THE N.B.A.

IN 18 YEARS, BUT RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE WINNING ON THE ROAD BECAUSE THRIVE' ALREADY PLAYED MORE HOME GAMES THAN ANY OTHER EAM, THEY'VE PLAYED NINE AND THEY DON'T HAVE A GOOD HOME RECORD.

THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO WIN IN PHILADELPHIA, WHICH THE VIKINGS COULDN'T DO TOMORROW.

>> Eric: M.B.IS STARING IT UP.

>> HE HAD A GAME FOR THE AGES, 59 POINTS AND 7 BLOCKS.

IT'S CRAZY.

>> Eric: CAN THE GOPHERS WIN THE WEST IN FOOTBALL?

>> THAT DIVISION IS TIGHT.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ILLINOIS AND PURDUE, IOWA, THEY HAVEN'T BEATEN THEM, SINCE THE OTHER GUY WAS PRESIDENT.

BUT THEY GOT A GREAT CHANCE TOMORROW TO WIN A GAME IN THE COLD, IN THE SNOW, AND A GAME THAT THEY NEED TO WIN.

P.J.

NECK, HE BETTER FIND A WAY TO BEATS IOWA, HE HASN'T DONE IT YET.

>> Cathy: YEAH, I KNOW, THE TWINS OBVIOUSLY HAD PROBLEMS THIS SEASON.

>> YES.

>> Cathy: ARE THEY THINKING NEW UNIFORMS ARE GOING TO MAKE IT BETTER NEXT YEAR?

WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?

>> ONE THING ABOUT SPORTS, THESE TEAMS NEVER STOP MARKETINGS OKAY?

IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT TOMORROW, IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT LOOKING AND FEELING GOOD ABOUT THE TEAM THAT YOU LOVE AND THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO.

NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

YOU KNOW, I'M CAUGHT UP WITH THEM SAYING THEY'RE WAY TOO DEEP INTO THIS ANALYTICS DEAL.

YOU GOT TO LET A PITCHER PITCH MORE THAN FOUR AND A HALF INNINGS, I BELIEVE THAT, THAT'S MY THEORY BUT THEY'VE BOUGHT INTO IT BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE OUT THERE TRYING TO CREATE CHRISTMAS GIFTS WITH BASEBALLS AND TWIN THINKING.

[Laughter] >> Eric: JUST SECONDS LEFT.

WILD, THUMBS UP OR THUMBS A DOWN?

>> I THINK IT'S TOO EARLY ON THEM RIGHT NOW.

I THINK FLEURY IS THE GUY, HE HAS TO BE IN GOAL OR 'EM.

>> Eric: UPPER BODIES INJURY, THOUGH.

>> HE'LL BE PLAYING NEXT WEEK, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A TRANSITION WITH SOME OF THESE YOUNG GUYS.

>> Eric: YOU'RE GETTING THE HOOK, SORRY.

>> OH-OH.

>> Eric: LARRY FITZGERALD, SR., THANK OU.

>> Cathy: THANK YOU.

♪♪ >> TANE: THE HOLIDAYS ARE HERE.

I KNOW MANY PEOPLE STRESS OUT ABOUT ALL THE SOCIAL ENGAGEMENTS THIS TIME OF YEAR.

I'’VE GOT TWO MAGIC WORDS TO HELP YOU WITH EVERY CONVERSATION, RIGHT OUT OF THE IMPROV THEATER TOOLBOX.

YES, AND...!

"YES AND" IS WHAT IMPROVISERS USE TO BUILD A STORY ON STAGE.

AND IT IS GREAT FOR ALL TYPES OF CONVERSATION.

IT'’S PERFECT FOR YOUR PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE COUSIN.

>> YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'’T THE WAY GRANDMA USED TO MAKE THIS.

>> TANE: YES, AND I'’M INTERESTED TO HEAR HOW YOU THINK IT COMPARES.

"YES, AND" IS A WAY TO NOT FIGHT BUT ENGAGE WITH WHAT A PERSON IS SAYING, AND OPEN IT UP FOR MORE POSITIVE CONVERSATION.

YOU CAN TALK TO THEM.

YOU CAN ALSO USE IT TO REDIRECT A SUBJECT MATTER YOU'’D RATHER AVOID.

>> I'’VE GOT SOME IDEAS ABOUT HOW THAT LAST ELECTION ACTUALLY WORKED...

YES, AND WASN'T IT GREAT WHAT HIGH TURNOUT THERE WAS?

"YES, AND" IS A TOOL, AND A PHILOSOPHY.

IT'’S AN ASSET-BASED WAY OF THINKING ABOUT ALL YOUR CONVERSATIONS.

EVERYTHING PEOPLE SAY IS A GIFT YOU CAN EXPLORE.

EVEN WHEN IT'’S THAT ONE PERSON WHO KNOWS THE THING TO SAY THAT JUST GETS UNDER YOUR SKIN.

>> YOU'RE STUPID.

YOU SOUNDS LIKE A PARAKEET, THAT BOW TIE IS JUST A COVER FOR YOUR UTTER LACK OF TALENT AND MOM ONLY RAISED YOU OUT OF OBLIGATION.

>> YES, AND WE'RE STILL FAMILY.

[Laughter] >> HAVE A "YES, AND" HOLIDAYS, EVERYBODY!

♪♪ >> CATHY: DULUTH IS A CITY DEFINED BY ITS HISTORY AND GEOGRAPHY.

BOTH OF THESE ATTRIBUTES ARE CELEBRATED IN A NEW BOOK, "DULUTH'S GRAND OLD ARCHITECTURE."

JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT SOME FAVORITE ZENITH CITY LANDMARKS FEATURED IN THE BOOK, CO-AUTHOR TONY DIERCKINS.

WELCOME BACK.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Cathy: IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE YOU'VE BEEN HERE.

>> >> IT'S BEEN A WHILE AND WE DID A ASSUMED, BUT IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

AND THE NEW STUDIOS ARE BEAUTIFUL.

>> Cathy: THANK YOU.

I HAVE TO SAY, ERIC AND I AGREE THAT DULUTH HAS SUCH BEAUTIFUL ARCHITECTURE AND HAS HAD SOME CLASSIC BUILDINGS, I'M GOING TO ASSUME SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE SOME OF THE WEALTHY INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN IN DULUTH?

>> NOT ONLY THAT, THE HOMES AND THAT BUT ALSO THE WAY THE COMMUNITY PUT INTO ITS SCHOOL BUILDINGS.

THERE IS A LOT OF REMARKABLE ARCHITECTURE IN OUR SCHOOLS.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD DIVERSIFIED IMMIGRANT POPULATIONS SO WE HAVE ALL SORTS OF CHURCHES ALL OVER, AS WELL, LIKE EVERY COMMUNITY.

>> Eric: LET'S STARTS WITH BOARD OF TRADE BUILDING.

>> AH, THIS IS A FASCINATING STORY FOR ME BECAUSE -- YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A BOARDS OF TRADE BUILDING BECAUSE WE WERE MOVING SO MUCH FLOUR, WE HAD OUR OWN GRAIN TRADE AND THE TRADING IS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND IT WAS NOT PART OF THE BUILDING.

IT WAS 60 BY 60-FOOT SQUARE WITH A GLASS AND STEEL DOME OVER THE TOP.

AND WHEN THEY REMODELED, THE BUILDING 20 YEARS LATER, THEY DISMAY NOT HE WOULD THAT AND CHANGED IT.

THEY PUTS THAT GLASS AND STEEL ON RAIL CAR, BROUGHT IT DOWN TO St. PAUL AND IT'S PART OF THE COMO ZOO CONSERVATORY.

>> Eric: MY GOODNESS.

INDIAN ELEMENTARY.

>> ANOTHER FANTASTIC BUILDING, YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS REMARKABLE TOWER, DESIGNED BY THE DRAFTING TEACHER AT OLD CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL, ADOLPH RUDOLPH BUT WE'VE LOST THE TOWER BUT SERVING AS APARTMENTS NOW.

AND THAT WAS THE CENTRAL STAIRCASE TO GO OUT TO THE FOUR WINGS OF THE BUILDING.

IT'S JUST A GORGEOUS PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE.

>> Cathy: THIS IS THE FEDS BUILDING, WHICH I'VE NEVER HEARD OF.

>> >> BUT IN THE 1890s, THE POTION OFFICE, THE CUSTOMS HOUSE, THE COURTHOUSE AND THE WEATHER PURE ROW.

YOU SEE THE INSTRUMENTS ON TOP OF THE TOWER, WERE THERE TO GAMING WIND SPEED AND OTHER MEETS LOGICAL INFORMATION.

>> Eric: NO LONGER STANDING WE SHOULD SAY.

>> IT WOULD HAVE BEEN RIGHT IN FRONT OF CITY HALL TODAY.

>> Cathy: THIS IS THE -- THIS IS ALSO NO LONGER STANDING.

OPERA HOUSE?

>> GRAND OPERA HOUSE, ONLY STOOD OR SIX YEARS BUT THEY SAY IT WAS THE MOST OPEN OU LENT BUILDING TO EVER STAND IN DULUTH.

BASICALLY GROCERY STORE AND HOUSES WRAPPED AROUND IT AND THEY SAY THE ROOF WAS SIX DIFFERENT SHADES OF PURPLE.

>> Eric: DESTROYED BY FIRE PROBABLY?

>> DESTROYED BY FIRE BECAUSE OF COURSE IT'S COLDS AND A LOT OF TIME, THE PLUMBING WOULD FREEZE.

>> Eric: LET'S VISIT LESTER PARK AND LESTER RIVER.

>> THIS IS THE LAST BUILDING YOU WILL SEE ON YOUR WAY OUTS OF THE DULUTH, HE FIRST ONE COMING DOWN THE SHORE, RIGHT?

THIS WAS BUILT AS A FISH LATCHRY IN 1887 BUT THE GENTLEMEN WHOSE OBITUARY CLAIMED HE BUT THE WILL HE TOIL DUE IN ORDER IN THE STATE SEAL.

THIS PLOWED 150 MILLION WHITE FISH INGER WILLINGS A YEAR.

>> Cathy: SINGS WE'RE ON HIGHWAY 61, I THINK THIS IS A FANTASTIC BRIDGE, GONE.

>> THIS IS GONE, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN UP THE RIVER FROM THE FISH HOUSE.

THIS STOOD FROM THE 1890 OZ TO 1932, HANDMADE BY JOHN BUSH AND HIS TWO SONS, HALF OJIBWE, HALF CANADIANS.

THEY BUILT BUILT IT BY LANDS OUT OF CEDAR LOGS AND DESIGNED WITH OJIBWE DESIGN AND NOT JUST A BRIDGE BUT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, YOU COULD STOP AND HAVE A PICNIC IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

>> Cathy: IS THIS STILL AROUND?

>> YEAH, THE MEYER HOUSE, LOVELY HOUSE, IT'S STILL THERE, IT'S KIND OF A ROMANESQUE, A PICTURESQUE BUILDING, THE STONES THAT FACE IT WERE PUT OUT OF 24th AVENUE EAST WHERE IT STANDS ADJACENT TO TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE STREET, THE AND THE HOME OWNER WAS ALSO A EAL ESTATE DEVELOPER AND HE SAID SAVE THOSE STONES, THEY'RE GOING ON THE HOUSE.

>> Eric: PARK TERRACE, IT'S LOST -- >> THE SAME GENTLEMAN WE WE JUST SAW WHO BUILT THE HOUSE.

CATHY, YOU AND I VISITED THIS SITE FOR MPR RADIO YEARS AGO, AND THIS IS A VICTORIAN TOWNHOUSE AND CAN YOU IMAGINE BRINGING YOUR GROCERIES HOME?

>> Cathy: NO, BUILT I LOVE IT.

>> THE STEPS ARE STILL THERE AND THE FOUNDATION.

>> Eric: WHILE WE OOK AT NORTHWEST OIL, TELL US ABOUT YOUR COLLABORATOR.

>> I WANT TO THANK MARY AN NORTON, MY CO-AUTHOR ON THIS.

PASSED AWAY IN 2018.

SHE'S THE PERSON WHO REALLY GOT ME INTERESTED IN DULUTH HISTORY IN THE FIRST PLACE, BEFORE THAT I WAS KIND OFF A WRITER LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO WRITE ABOUT AND SHE NOT ONLY LEFT ME A PASSION FOR DULUTH HISTORY BUT HER SON STOPPED BY SHORTLY AFTER HER DEATHS AND BROUGHT ME FIVE BANKERS' BOXES FULL OF RESEARCH FOR THIS PROJECT.

IT WAS OVERWHELMING T FIRST BUT GAVE ME SOMETHING TO DO DURING THE PANDEMIC AND THIS BOOK IS THE RESULT OF THAT.

>> Cathy: WE SHOULD SAY THE NORTHWEST OIL BUILDING THAT'S FAMILIAR TO MOST PEOPLE, IS IT THE ICE CREAM SHOP NOW?

>> A FORMER GAS STATION, NOW SERVING ICE CREAM.

>> Eric: YOU SIGNING THIS THING ANYWHERE PEOPLE CAN COME?

>> NO, UT YOU CAN JOIN US AT ZENITH CITY.COM AND UP IN DULUTH I'M DOING SIGNINGS BUT FLOWING IN THE TWIN CITIES.

EVERYTHING IS AVAILABLE ON LINE.

>> Eric: TALK ABOUT A PERFECT HOLIDAY GIFT.

>> OH, I THINK SO BUT I HAVE ULTERIOR MOST ACTIVES.

ERIC BUT I DON'T SO I CAN SAY IT WITH CREDIBILITY.

DULUTH'S GLAND OLD ACT TIER TUR, TONY, THANKS.

>> Cathy: GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANKS.

CLEAR.

>> Mary: WE'RE BACK WITH CHEF AMALIA.

THIS TIME SHE HAS A DRINK AND I HAVE A DEAR FRIEND WHO SAYS EVERY EVENT HAS A PARTICULAR COCKTAIL.

>> THIS IS A HOT PUNCH MADE WITH FRESH FRUITS AND SPICES, AND IT'S A SPICE SASHAY.

WE CAN PUT THAT TOGETHER IF YOU WANT.

>> Mary: I WISH PEOPLE COULD SMELL THIS, WE PUT THIS IN CHEESE CLOT.

>> THIS IS FROM GUATEMALA AND WHAT'S IN THE CHEESE CLOT, IS STAIR ANIASK.

E, CINNAMON, ALLSPICE BERRIES, SOME PEPPERCORNS AND CLOVERS.

THAT GETS WRAPPED UP AND GOES INTO A POT OF WATER AND THE BASE OF THIS PUNCH IS FRESH PINEAPPLE THAT I HAVE CHOPPED COARSELY, THIS IS A DELICIOUS DRINK THAT IS A PERFECT HOLIDAY DRINK AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SPIKE IT WITH RUM, PREFERABLY WATERMELON RUM.

>> Mary: AND DARK RUM, TOO, IF YOU DON'T HAVE GUATEMALAN RUM.

>> ANY KIND OF RUM, CARIBBEAN RUM, WHATEVER YOU LIKE.

BUT THERE IS A COMBINATION OF DRIED FRUITS THAT YOU BUY AT THE GROCERY STORE, EVERYTHING SHOULD BE IN BITE-SIZED PIECES BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE HAVING A DRINK, WHICH IS THIS IS THE FINISHED PRODUCT RIGHT HERE, THE IDEA IS TO GIVE PEOPLE A HOT DRINK AND SPIKE IT, THEN I GARNISHED WITH POMEGRANATE SEEDS AND THEN YOU GIVE THEM A SPOON BECAUSE THE GOODNESS OF THE DRINK, IT'S IN THERE.

A LOT OF LIQUID AND THAT'S DELICIOUS BUT THERE IS A COMBINATION ALSO OF FRESH AND FROZEN VEGETABLES, I COULDN'T FIND PEACHES BUT I FOUND THEM IN THE FROZEN AISLE AND SO YOU CAN USE FROZEN VEGETABLES AND THEN MORE DRIED FRUITS, THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT KIND OF RAISINS, GOLDEN AND BROWN AND THESE ARE CUT UP PRUNES AND THERE IS A LOT OF FLAVOR MARCH GOING ON HERE, AND THEN SUGAR TO TASTE.

YOU COMBINE THAT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF GINGER AND THIS IS FRESH GINGER AND I USED MY KNIFE SLEDDER THAT YOU CAN USE FOR CHEESE OR WHATEVER AND YOU ADD AS MUCH OR AS LITTLE AS YOU WANT BUT I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE FRESH GINGER IN THIS BECAUSE IT MAKES THE PUNCHE POP.

SO NOW THAT WE HAVE ADDED ALL THE IN FREED INGREDIENTS, WE GIVE IT A QUICK STIR, ADD THE SASHAY, AND TIE IT TO THE SIDE OF THE POT HERE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO FISH IT OUT.

>> Mary: THAT'S A GOOD TIP, YES.

>> IT'S RIGHT HERE IN THE FINISHED PRODUCT, IF YOU CAN SEE, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, O IT HAS DONE ITS JOB SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE READY TO SERVE T, WERE E.WE CAN THROW IT AWAY BUT WE TIE IT TOGETHER AND THEN WE COVER IT AND WE LET IT SIMMER FOR GOOD HALF HOUR.

>> Mary: IT WILL MAKE YOUR WHOLE HOUSE FRAG GRANT, I CAN TELL YOU NO ONE WILL WANT TO LEAVE YOUR HOLIDAY GATHERING, EVERYBODY WILL LOVE THE SMELL AT THE DOOR.

>> YES, IT'S DELICIOUS AND THE LONGER YOU LET IT SIT IN THE SPICES, THE BETTER IT WILL BE, IF YOU MAKE IT THE DAY BEFORE, IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN BETTER.

>> Mary: PERFECT.

WE WANT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW, THIS RECIPE, THE ONE YOU SAW BEFORE, TOO, THE STUFFING, ON OUR WEBSITE, TPT.ORG/REST MES AND THEY'RE ALSO IN YOUR COOKBOOKS.

YOU HAVE TWO COOKBOOKS OUT RIGHT NOW.

ARE WE ALLOWED TO TELL PEOPLE THERE IS A THIRDS IN THE WORKS, TOO?

>> YES, I'M WORKING ON THE THIRD ONE, SO, YES, OF COURSE.

>> Mary: AMAZING.

CHEERS, HAPPY HOLIDAYS, EVERYBODY.

>> HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> Mary: HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

♪♪ >> ERIC: THE ELECTION BROUGHT CHANGES TO THE STATE CAPITOL.

THE SENATE FLIPPED.

DEMOCRATS NOW CONTROL THE LEGISLATURE.

THAT PUTS REPUBLICANS IN THE MINORITY IN BOTH CHAMBERS.

TONIGHT WE'LL HEAR ABOUT THEIR PLANS FOR THE SESSION THAT STARTS IN JANUARY.

SENATE MINORITY LEADER MARK JOHNSON JOINS US BY ZOOM.

THE REPUBLICAN SENATOR LIVES IN EAST GRAND FORKS.

HERE IN STUDIO IS ASSISTANT HOUSE MINORITY LEADER REPRESENTATIVE PAUL TORKELSON.

HE'S FROM HANSKA.

SAY, SENATOR, WHAT HAPPENED IN THE CAMPAIGN THAT CAUSED THIS RESULT?

HAVE YOU DONE ANY KIND OF AUTOPSY YET ON WHAT HAPPENED?

>> WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION THAT YOU PUT A TIME FOR ME ON TONIGHT, TOO.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE BREAKDOWN AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU CAN LOOK AT ALL THESE DIFFER VARIABLES AND FACTORS, AND PEOPLE HAVE AND THEY WILL BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE MAJORITY BY ONE SEAT EARLY ON FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS, AND NOW, AFTER THE ELECTION, NOW, WHAT YOU SEE IS THAT WE'VE LOST ONE SEAT SO WE'VE JUST KIND OF ARE IN THE MINORITY BY ONE SEAT SO IT WASN'T LIKE THERE WAS ONE GREAT BIG MANDATE THAT WAS CENTER OUT TO THE LEGISLATURE THAT, YOU KNOW, FOLKS WANT TO GO ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

JUST SEEMS MORE LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A STATUS QUO ELECTION, WHICH WAS SURPRISING GIVEN THE -- KIND OF THE FEEL OF THE COUNTRY PRIOR TO THE ELECTION, WHERE IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS GOING TO BE MORE OF A RED WAVE.

BUT, YEAH, IT WAS AN INTERESTING RESULT, ONE THAT WE HADN'T ANTICIPATED BUT, YOU KNOW, IN REALITY, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE MESSAGE FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE ARE REALLY TAKING THIS AS A MESSAGE THAT WE NEED TO DO THINGS MORE ON THE DEMOCRAT'S AGENDA BUT I THINK IN REALITY WE'RE ONLY 170 VOTES AWAY FROM HAVING A MAJORITIES IN THE SENATE.

>> Cathy: NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT HERE, BUT DID YOU HAVE TROUBLE AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET?

THAT WASN'T TERRIBLY HELPFUL TO EVERYBODY ELSE.

>> WELL, CERTAINLY IT WASN'T AS GOOD AS WE WOULD HAVE LIKED.

I HAD MY SURF BOARD ALL POLISHED UP, READY TO RIDE THAT RED WAVE INTO THE MAJORITY BUT IT JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN NATIONALLY, EITHER.

IT WASN'T JUST A MINNESOTA PROBLEM AND IT'S -- IT IS WHAT IT IS, AS THEY SAY.

>> Cathy: I'M WONDERING ABOUT, MAYBE SENATOR JOHNSON, YOU CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, THE SLIM MARGINS, WHAT ARE THE DYNAMICS OF THE SLIM MARGINS?

>> YEAH, SO WE'VE DEALT WITH THAT NOW FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS WHERE WE HAD 34 IN THE MAJORITY AND TO KEEP EVERYBODY TOGETHER WAS A TRICK.

IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO KEEP THE CAUCUS TOGETHER ON ALL THE ISSUES THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE VOTING FOR AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WAS ON BOARD.

WE WERE PRETTY WELL ALIGNED IN OUR VALUES AND OUR INTERESTS GOING INTO THOSE SIX YEARS.

THE DEMOCRATS ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT MORE ON THE SPECTRUM FROM CONSERVATIVE TO -- YOU HAVE SOME SOCIAL DEMOCRATS ON THAT ONE, AS WELL, O, YOU KNOW, YOU GO FROM -- YOU HAVE QUITE A SPECTRUM IN THERE.

SO I THINK SENATOR KARI DZIEDZIC IS GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN ISSUE TRYING TO KEEP TOGETHER THE CAUCUS ON SOME OF THOSE MAJOR VOTES THAT WE'LL SEE COMING UP IN THIS NEXT SESSION.

>> Eric: REPRESENTATIVE TORKELSON, DO YOU EXPECT THE DEMOCRATS TO OVERREACH AS THEY HAVE THE TRIFECTA HERE OR CAN THEY SAY NO?

>> WELL, THERE IS THAT POTENTIAL, THEY HAVE THE TRIFECTA AND THEY HAVE A BIG PILE OF MONEY ON THE TABLE TO SPEND.

WE HOPE THAT THEY CAN BE REELED IN A LITTLE BIT.

WE THINK THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING ON TAX RELIEF, FOR INSTANCE.

THE DEMOCRATS ACTUALLY CAMPAIGNED ON TAX RELIEF AND DEALING WITH THE CRIME PROBLEM SO WE'RE GOING TO HOLD THEM TO THAT.

>> Eric: SOCIAL SECURITY TAX ELIMINATION, SENATOR, ALMOST CERTAIN, OR WHERE WOULD YOU PUT THE ODDS ON THAT?

>> WELL, IN THE PAST SESSIONS, THAT'S BEEN A BIG PRIORITY OF OURS THAT'S BEEN STOPPED BY THE DEMOCRAT HOUSE AND THE GOVERNOR.

YOU KNOW, YOU SAW THE DEMOCRATS START TO CAMPAIGN ON THAT THIS YEAR, I'M HOPING THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE, GOING FORWARD, HOWEVER, I'VE GOT TEN NEW MEMBERS IN MY CAUCUS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TALK TO BUT I KNOW FOR OUR CAUCUS IN THE PAST, IT'S BEEN A VERY HIGH PRIORITY AND I ASSUME THAT IT WILL BE, AS WELL, BUT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE DEMOCRATS ACCOUNTABLE TO THEIR CAMPAIGN PROMISES AND PUSH THAT FORWARD AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

>> Cathy: I NOW HINDSIGHTS IS ALWAYS 20 BUT SHOULD THE G.O.P.

HAVE TAKEN THE TAX DEAL IN THE LAST SESSION AND RUN WITH IT?

>> WELL, AS YOU SAW, WE HAD A FRAMEWORK FOR A DEAL SET, THE 4-FOE-4 WAS CALLED AND WE WERE VERY MUCH TRYING TO PUSH THAT.

YOU SAW THE GOVERNOR NDICATE TO HIS HOUSE MEMBERS HE WOULDN'T ACCEPT THAT DEAL AND THERE WAS A HOT MIC ISSUE THAT WE HAD WHERE IT WAS SPOKEN RIGHT OUT LOUD THAT THE GOVERNOR AND THE HOUSE LEADS AND CHAIRS REALLY STOPPED THE DEAL THAT WE HAD.

WE WERE IN FULL FAITH GOING FORWARD WITH THAT SO WE'LL SEE IF THERE IS A DIFFERENT TONE WITH THE DEMOCRATS.

WE WERE HOPING TO GET IT DONE BUT WE'LL SEE IF THE DEMOCRATS ARE WILLING TO COME BACK TO THE TABLE AND DO THAT.

>> Eric: REPRESENTATIVE, YOU HAVE BONDING IN YOUR PORTFOLIO.

>> I DO, I WAS THERE.

>> Eric: THIS IS A PLACE WHERE REPUBLICANS ARE NEEDED TO GET THE BONDING BILL OUT OF THE HOUSE, IT STARTS IN THE HOUSE, OBVIOUSLY.

HOW HEFTY A BILL ARE YOU DECIDING YOU WANT?

>> WELL, IT'S THE ONE BILL OF COURSE THAT DOES REQUIRE A SUPER MAJORITIES SO IT WILL REQUIRE REPUBLICAN VOTES.

THERE WAS A PRETTY GOOD BILL THAT WAS STARTED LAST YEAR, DIDN'T MAKE IT ACROSS THE FINISHING LINE, A BILL THAT'S HEAVY N TRANSPORTATION, WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, THE BASICS, I THINK, WOULD GET GOOD SUPPORT.

>> Eric: GIVE US A NUMBER, ARE WE LOOKING AT THE $2 BILLION RANGE OR -- >> I DOUBTS IT.

1.5, HOW DOES THAT SOUNDS?

>> Eric: MR. LEADER, IN THE SENATE, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR IN A BONDING BILL?

>> AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO BRING BACK TO THE CAUCUS AND TRY TO GET A NUMBER.

I CAN'T PROJECT THAT BUT WE DO HAVE SOME REAL NEEDS ACROSS THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE NEEDS GOING FORWARD.

>> Cathy: WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT EXPECTATIONS FOR THE NOVEMBER FORECAST.

I'M KINDS OF CURIOUS WHAT YOU THINK, REPRESENTATIVE TORKELSON, WHAT KIND OF NUMBER ARE YOU HEARING OUT THERE?

>> WE HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD A NUMBER, WE'VE SEEN INCOME HAS BEEN UP A LITTLE BIT EVEN SINCE THE LAST FORECAST BUT THE ECONOMY, THE PROJECTION FOR THE ECONOMY IS GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE DISMAL ALL THE TIME SO I WOULD GUESS THE FORECAST IS GOING TO BE TEMPERED BIT BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH INTEREST RATES AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD BIG LAYOFFS NOW IN THE TECH SPECTOR THAT COULD BE -- GIVE US AN INDICATION OF WHAT'S TO COME AND I THINK WE NEEDS TO BE CAUTIOUS.

>> Eric: YOU FELLAS ARE RURAL LEGISLATORS AND NOT TO GET TOO DEEP INTO THE WEEDS, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED LOCAL GOVERNMENTALTY AID TO HELP THEM BALANCE THE BOOKS, PAY NOR POLICE, FIRE, PARKS AND REC AND ALL THAT STUFF.

DOES LGA HAVE -- AS THEY CALL IT, HAVE A PLACE IN THE -- A BUDGET?

>> WELL, IT ALWAYS HAS A PLACE, IT'S HOW BIG A PLACE IS THE QUESTION.

>> Eric: HOW ROBUST DO YOU WANT TO GO?

>> YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT UP TO US AND WE DON'T HAVE A CAUCUS POSITION BUT, YOU KNOW, L.G.A.

IS POR TO OUR SMALL TOWNS.

PEOPLE THAT TRAVEL ACROSS THE STATE EXPECTS THE AMBULANCE TO SHOW UP OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS TO SHOW UP NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

IN MY MIND THAT'S WHAT LGA IS FOR TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR RURAL COMMUNITIES CAN PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES THAT EVERYONE EXPECTS TO BE THERE ALL ACROSS THE STATE WHEN THEY'RE TRAVELING.

>> ric: CAN THAT BE SOLD, SENATOR, AS A WAY TO EEF UP LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS WITH THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT AID MONEY THAT MIGHT COME FROM THE LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR?

>> YEAH, DEMOCRATS LAST YEAR CAMPAIGNED AGAIN ON PROVIDING SUPPORT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHICH HAS BEEN A CHANGE THAT ROE IN THE LAST SIX YEARS, SINCE I'VE BEEN IN THE LEGISLATURE.

SURELY, IT'S I ONE OF THOSE THINGS IT COULD BE A SOURCE FOR THAT, ONE OF THE PACKAGES THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR, WE HAD SOME OTHER MORE ROBUST WAYS OF SUPPORTING POLICE, LAW ENFORCEMENT ACROSS THE STATE, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE BILLS, WE AVEN'T SEEN HOW THEY PLAN TO USE LGA BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S DEFINITELY WITHIN THE MIX.

>> Eric: AND ABORTION?

REPRESENTATIVE TORKELSON?

>> WELL, WE EXPECT THE DEMOCRATS WILL TRY TO CODIFY PROTECTION FOR ABORTION.

YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THE CITIZENS OF MINNESOTA HAVE KIND OF A MIDDLE POSITION ON THIS.

IT'S NOT EXTREME ITHER WAY.

AND WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF BIPARTISAN COMMON SENSE THINGS GOT TAKEN AWAY BY THAT JUDGE'S DECISION.

WE'LL SEE.

WE EXPECT THAT THEY WILL TRY - TO CODIFY.

>> Cathy: SENATOR JOHNSON, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> YEAH, I THINK REPRESENTATIVE TORKELSON SAID IT VERY CLEARLY, WE EXPECTS THEM TO CODIFY.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THAT LANGUAGE LOOKS LIKE.

IT COULD TAKE A SERIES OF DIFFERENT FORMS BUT WHEN THAT BILL COMES FORWARD AND THEY START HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO REALLY DELVE INTO THE DETAILS.

BUT UNTIL THAT TIME, WE DON'T HAVE A CAUCUS POSITION REGARDING LANGUAGE.

>> Eric: COULD THE HOUSE AND SENATE GET TOGETHER OR IS THERE STILL A BIG RIVALRY BETWEEN THE TWO CHAMBERS NO MATTER WHO'S IN CHARGE OF ACH CHAMBER?

>> WE LOVE THE SENATORS.

THEY'RE UST ONDERFUL PEOPLE.

YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A RIVALRY THERE AND SOMETIMES IT ALMOST SEEMS WORSE WHEN THEY'RE IN CONTROL OF THE SAME PARTY.

I'VE SEEN SOME REAL FIREWORKS BETWEEN THE WO CHAMBERS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL INNESOTANS AND WE ALL WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

>> Eric: THANKS, FELLAS, GOOD LUCK NOTICE COMING SESSION.

HAPPY HOLE DAYS TO YA.

>> Cathy: HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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