TED: COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON: WE'LL SPEAK WITH DANIEL KEENAN WHO'S RUNNING IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY FOR CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT-5.

ALSO TONIGHT: ARIZONA JOINS CALIFORNIA AND NEVADA FOR A NEW PLAN TO CONSERVE COLORADO RIVER WATER.

AND, WE'LL HEAR ABOUT A LOCAL CHURCH'S EFFORT TO SUPPORT IMMIGRANTS.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE, NEXT, ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

TED: GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

WE BEGIN TONIGHT'S SHOW WITH OUR AZ VOTES "CANDIDATES IN CONVERSATION," AS WE HEAR FROM DANIEL KEENAN, WHO'S RUNNING IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY FOR FOR ARIZONA'S 5TH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.

WE WELCOME SMALL BUSINESS OWNER AND VALLEY NATIVE DANIEL KEENAN TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

WE SHOULD NOTE THAT THE OTHER CANDIDATE IN THE CD-5 REPUBLICAN PRIMARY, MARK LAMB, WAS INVITED TO PARTICIPATE TONIGHT, BUT HE DID NOT ACCEPT ANY OF THE DATES OFFERED.

DANIEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

YOU ARE RUNNING AGAINST A REPUBLICAN, WHO HAS BEEN ENDORSED BY DONALD TRUMP IN A HEAVILY REPUBLICAN DISTRICT.

WHY ARE YOU DOING IT?

>> LISTEN, IT MEANS EVERYTHING TO ME.

YEAH.

PRESIDENT TRUMP DID ENDORSE MY OPPONENT, BUT I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT THREE MONTHS OF THE ELECTION MEETING WITH ALL THE VOTERS AND REALLY HEARING MY MESSAGE, ULTIMATELY, THEY ARE GOING TO DECIDE THIS ELECTION.

I BELIEVE WHEN THEY HEAR MY MESSAGE, AND I ALSO BELIEVE, THAT WHETHER IT IS A WEEK BEFORE THE PRIME A, I OR AFTER THE PRIMARY, WE'LL GET PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENT AS WELL.

TED: INTERESTING.

AS FAR AS THE REPUBLICAN VOTERS AGAIN, THE REPUBLICAN VOTERS, WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING FOR IN CD5?

TED: A STAUNCH CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN.

SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO CARRY ON WITH THE LEGACY OF ANDY BIGGS AND WHAT HE HAS DONE.

WILL DO JUST THAT.

I AM BORN AND RAISED IN THE DISTRICT.

I LIVED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE.

I KNOW WHAT THEY WANT.

TED: ON YOUR WEBSITE, YOU CALL YOURSELF A CONSTITUTIONAL CONSERVATIVE.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> WELL, IT MEANS MANY THINGS.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, FREEDOM AND LIBERTY.

TED: AND THAT IS IT.

OVERRIDES EVERYTHING ELSE?

>> WELL, THERE IS MANY THINGS.

BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTITUTION IS CLEAR.

YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNMENT, THE UNITED STATES, HAS A DUTY TO PROTECT US FROM, YOU KNOW, THREATS FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.

AND TO LET US CARRY OUT THE GOD GIVEN RIGHTS.

TED: SPEAK OF THAT.

YOUR OPPONENT REFUSED COVID STAY-AT-HOME ORDERS.

THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE SUPPORTERS POINT TO IS SOMETHING THEY ARE PROUD OF.

WAS THAT A GOOD THING FOR ARIZONA, WHAT HE DID?

>> UM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO GIVE IT TO MARK LOOK LAMB ON THAT.

THAT IS SOMETHING I AGREE.

I DON'T WANT THE GOVERNMENT OR ANYONE TELLING ME OR BUSINESSES TO SHUT DOWN, OR TO PUT SOMETHING IN OUR BODY, THAT WE DON'T AGREE WITH.

JU DON'T AGREE WITH.

BUT AT WHAT POINT DOES -- WE ARE GETTING TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL ASPECT HERE.

AT WHAT POINT IS A SOCIETAL GOOD SUPERSEDE THAT AGREEING OR DISAGREEING?

>> WELL, LOOK, THE SOCIETAL GOOD IS TO HAVE PEOPLE FREE, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THEIR OWN CHOICES.

I THINK THERE IS ALLOTTED OF FLAWED DATA OUT THERE THAT SHOWED IT WAS NOT NEEDED.

THEY TOLD US TO WEAR A MASK ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF MASK.

SIX FEET AWAY.

BRING YOUR MASK DOWN WHEN ARE EATING, WHEN ARE NOT EATING.

WHO KNOWS IN THE DATA WAS FLAWED AND, I DON'T THINK IT DID ANY SOCIETAL GOOD.

YAO SO DID IT DO ANY GOOD -- IT DIDN'T DO ANY GOOD AT ALL THEN?

TED: >> LOOK.

I DON'T THINK IT DID ANY GOOD.

TED: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BORDER HERE.

YOU SAY YOU HAVE RESULTS DRIVEN APPROACH TOP THE BORDER ON THE WEBSITE.

AGAIN, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

WELL, EXACTLY WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS DONE.

YOU KNOW?

FOR FOUR YEARS JOE BIDEN, THE DEMOCRATS DID NOTHING.

THEY SAT ON THEIR HANDS LET THE BORDERER BE OVERRAN BY EVERYONE FROM ALL OVER FROM THE WORLD.

SOUTH AMERICA.

ASIA.

AFRICA.

YOU NAME IT.

PRESIDENT TRUMP SHUT OUR BORDER DOWN WITHIN A MONTH OF BEING ELECTED.

AND HE IS CONTINUING TO KEEP THAT BORDER CLOSED.

CONTINUING TO DEPORTATIONS.

GETTING CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIENS OUT OF THE COUNTRY.

THAT IS RESULTS DRIVEN.

BASICALLY YOU WOULD NOT CHANGE ANYTHING THAT IS GOING ON NOW?

>> I WOULD NOT.

NO.

I WOULD LOOK TO GO FURTHER AND HELP PRESIDENT TRUMP.

TED: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CHY HERE.

PRICES ARE UP FROM THIS TIME LAST YEAR.

GDP EXPANDED 2%.

THAT IS NOT SO BAD.

AGAIN, INFLATION BECAUSE OF THE FED IS NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH INTEREST RATES.

WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT PEOPLE IN CD5 WHO ARE SICK AND TIRED OF GOING TO THE GAS STATION AND SEEING MONUMENTAL NUMBERS AND SICK AND TIRED OF GOING GROCERY STORE AND SEEING HIGHER PRICES?

>> WELL, I THINK THE GAS PRICES HAVE NOT BEEN GOING ON AS LONG AS WOULD YOU SAY.

IT HAS BEEN RECENT.

BUT YEAH, COST OF LIVING.

SO WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO CONTINUE TO GROW THE ECONOMY.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAX OUR WAY OUT OF THIS.

WE NEED TO HAVE GDP OUTGROW INFLATION.

AND AND THAT WILL GET RID OF INFLATION.

YOU KNOW, CONTINUING A PRO GROWTH TAX POLICY.

THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL ADDRESSES A LOT OF THAT SO I WOULD LOOK TO CONTINUE ON THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL.

AND GO FURTHER WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP.

TED: THE GAS PRICES MAY NOT HAVE BEEN GOING ON AS LONG AS SICK AND TIRED WOULD SUGGEST BUT MAYBE TIRED OF THE GAS PRICES AS THEY ARE.

IT STARRED WITH THE IRAN WAR.

IT IS NOT GETTING ANY BETTER THROUGHOUT.

IN CONGRESS, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO HOLD THE COUNTRY, THE ADMIN, EVERYONE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS.

>> AS YOU SAW TODAY, CRUDE OIL DROPPED.

AND, YOU KNOW, NO ONE LIKES HIGH GAS PRICES, RIGHT?

I BELIEVE IT IS A SHORT-TERM PROBLEM.

YOU ARE SEE THE UAE IS POTENTIALLY LEAVING OPEC AND GOING TO TRIPLE THEIR PRODUCTION.

YOU SEE WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP DID IN VENEZUELA.

THEY ARE BACK ON-LINE PRODUCING 1.2 MILLION-BARRELS A DAY.

SO I THINK THIS IS A LONG-TERM TRAGEDY WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP GETTING RID OF THE BAD ACTORS.

WE DON'T NEED RELY ON OIL FROM IRAN.

WE CAN PRODUCE ALL THE OIL IN AMERICA HERE.

>> SO HANG ON.

PAY THE PRICE.

DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO GET BETTER.

YOU SAY THE SAME THING?

>> WELL, I AM NOT SAYING DON'T COMPLAIN.

I DO TRUST OUR PRESIDENT IT WILL GET BETTER IN.

IF YOU LISTEN TO THE WHITE HOUSE, THEY ARE LOOKING TO WRAP THAT SITUATION UP RATHER QUICKLY.

I TRUST IN THE PRESIDENT AND THE ADMINISTRATION.

TED: DO YOU AGREE WITH THE IRAN BAR?

>> LOOK.

TRUST PRESIDENT TRUMP TIME AFTER TIME.

HE HAS PROVEN HE CAN CARRY OUT A TARGETED OPERATION OR STRATEGIC STRIKES TO PRECISION.

AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS A WIN FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD.

TAKING OUT A TERRORIST REGIME.

THAT HAS KILLED THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ALL OVER THIS WORLD.

THE NUMBER ONE SPONSOR OF TERROR IN THE WORLD.

AND IT HELPS OUR ALLIES IN THE REGION AND MAKES THE WORLD SAFER.

ABSOLUTELY, I SUPPORT OUR COUNTRY.

TED: YOU THINK THE SUM OF IS IN BETTER SHAPE.

>> YEAH.

WE ARE IN BETTER SHAPE THAN WE WERE BEFORE THE WAR STARTED?

>> WELL, ANY TIME YOU HAVE THE WORLD'S LARGEST LEADER INTERIOR ON THEIR KNEES, AND HAVING TO COME TO NEGOTIATING TABLE, AND THEM RECENTLY SAYING THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PRODUCE NUKES, I WOULD SAY, YES, WE RAIN BETTER POSITION.

>> DO YOU AGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT'S TARIFF'S POLICIES?

>> I DO AGREE WITH HIM.

HERE IS WHY.

I HEAR MANY SCEPTICS SAY, TARIFFS ARE BAD.

YOU CANNOT TARIFF THE REST OF THE WORLD.

IF THAT IS THE CASE, WHY ARE THEY GIVING US TAFF REQUIRES.

SOMETIMES TO THE TUNE OF DOUBLE OR TRIPLE OF WHAT WE CHARGED THEM TO, SO LOOK, RECENTLY, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, THE HOUSE ANNOUNCED THAT MANUFACTURER JOBS ARE COMING BACK INTO AMERICA.

THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF MANUFACTURING JOBS ARE COMING BACK TO AMERICA.

YEAH.

I DO AGREE THE TARIFFS.

I SEE THE LONG-TERM VISION ON THAT.

TED: SO YOU WOULD AGREE, CONGRESS IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN CHARGE OF THIS STUFF.

YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO APPROVE THESE KINDS OF THINGS IF YOU WERE IN CONGRESS, WOULD YOU OK THE APT PRESIDENT'S TARIFF'S POLICY AS WE HAVE SEEN IT SO FAR.

>> WELL, YOU CAN SAY, CONGRESS IS SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING CARE OF THIS.

FOR THE LAST 20-30 YEARS THEY HAVE ALLOWED US TO GET RIPPED OFF.

SO YEAH, I AM THANKFUL, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS TAKEN THE BOLD STANCE TO END THE REST OF THE WORLD FROM RIPPING US OFF.

I AM A BUSINESSMAN.

I CAN RESPECT THAT.

TED: AS A BUSINESSMAN, HAS TARIFFS AFFECTED WHAT YOU DO?

>> WHAT I DO IS I BUILD HOMES ALL ACROSS THE EAST VALLEY.

HUN HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE HOMES FOR PEOPLE IN OF ARIZONA.

HAS NOT IMPACTED ME.

TED: HAS THE IMMIGRATION POLICY IMPACTED YOU?

>> IT HAS NOT.

TED: FOUND THE WORKERS?

YOU ARE NOT A SHORTAGE OF SUPPLIES?

>> NO, THAT IS ANOTHER LIE I THINK THAT HAS GONE ON FOR SO LONG SAYING AMERICANS WON'T DO THE JOB THAT IMMIGRANTS WILL DO.

YOU KNOW, THE PRON IS, YOU GOT COMPANIES THAT ARE, THE PROBLEM IS, YOU GOT COMPANIES UNDERCUTTING AMERICANS TO DO THE JOB.

AMERICANS WILL DO THE JOB.

THEY JUST GOT TO BE GIVE AND FAIR WAGE AND NOT GET UNDERCUT.

TED: SO FAR VERY SUPPORTIVE.

CONGRESS RIGHT NOW TO A GREAT DEGREE, REPUBLICAN MAJOR TIN CONGRESSES ARE BASICALLY JUST LETTING THE PRESIDENT, THE EXECUTIVE IN THIS CASE HAVE HIS WAY, THAT IS A GOOD BALANCE DO YOU THINK?

>> WELL, I THINK, CONGRESS THERE IS TO REPRESENT THEIR CONSTITUENTS.

I WOULD SAY, 77 MILLION PLUS AMERICANS VOTED FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP BECAUSE THEY TRUST HIM.

AND I SUPPORT HIM.

AND CARRYING OUT HIS ADMINISTRATION AND HIS POLL SAYS THAT IS DOING.

TED: LAST QUESTION, BEFORE YOU FO, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

WE APPRECIATE AT YOU BEING HERE.

YOU ARE BASICALLY ASKING, CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT 5 VOTERS TO VOTE FOR YOU, AND NOT YOUR OPPONENT.

>> YEAH.

TED: WHY?

>> WELL, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW.

MARK LAMB CANNOT BE TRUSTED.

AS YOU SEE, HE IS NOT HERE TONIGHT.

HE IS AT THE RANCH IN TENNESSEE WHERE HE BOUGHT HIS RANCH AND MOVED ENTIRE FAMILY OUT THERE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE WEBSITE RIGHT NOW, IT SAYS HE IS PLANTING ROOTS IN TENNESSEE.

WELL, I KNOW WHERE MY ROOTING.

WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN, WHERE THEY ALWAYS WILL BE THAT IS THE FIFTH DISTRICT OF ARIZONA SO I AM NOT GOING TO WASHINGTON DO TO MAKE FRIENDS.

I AM GOING TO WASHINGTON TO PRIG DOWN THE COST OF LIVING, MAKE HOME AFFORDABILITY A REALITY AGAIN.

TED: DANIEL, REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IN CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT 5.

THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY.

GOOD YOU HAVE.

THANKS.

>> APPRECIATE.

>> OUR NEXT AZ VOTES CANDIDATES IS SET FOR TUESDAY AS WE HEAR FROM CANDIDATES RUNNING IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY FOR ARIZONA'S EIGHTH DONE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.

TUESDAY MAY 12th AT 5:00 P.M.

AND 10:00 P.M.

HERE.

A REMINDER THAT ALL EPISODES OF CANDIDATES ARE LIVE STREAMED ON YOUTUBE AT AZPPS NOW.

AS WE HEAR FROM CANDIDATES RUNNING IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY FOR ARIZONA'S 8TH-CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.

THAT'S TUESDAY, MAY 12, AT 5PM AND AGAIN AT 10PM, HERE ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

AND A REMINDER THAT ALL EPISODES OF "CANDIDATES IN CONVERSATION" ARE LIVE-STREAMED ON YOU-TUBE AT AZ-PBS-NOW, AND CAN BE VIEWED, AS WELL, AT AZPBS.ORG.

TED: ARIZONA RECENTLY JOINED CALIFORNIA AND NEVADA IN PROPOSING INCREASED CONSERVATION MEASURES TO REDUCE THE USE OF COLORADO RIVER WATER.

IT'S A 2-YEAR PLAN THAT WOULD MEAN CUTS TO C-A-P DELIVERIES, BUT COULD BE NECESSARY TO KEEP THE CANAL FROM LOSING MOST OF ITS WATER.

TO LEARN MORE, WE WELCOME SARAH PORTER, DIRECTOR OF ASU'S KYL CENTER FOR WATER POLICY.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

THIS IS A NEW PLAN.

HOW IS THIS WORKED?

IS IT A PROPOSAL?

WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?

>> IT IS A PRETTY WELL FLUSHED OUT PLAN.

WHAT MAKES A DIFFERENT, IT IS A PLAN THAT IS BEING OFFERED BY JUST THREE STATES.

AS YOU MAY RECALL FROM PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, THERE ARE SEVEN STATES THAT SHARE WATER FROM THE COLORADO RIVER SYSTEM.

AND FOR SEVERAL YEARS, THOSE SEVEN STATES HAVE STRUGGLED UNSUCCESSFULLY TO COME UP WITH NEW OPERATING GUIDELINES THAT THEY COULD ALL AGREE ON.

THEY ARE AT IMPASSE.

THE LOWER BASIN, THAT IS CALIFORNIA, ARIZONA, NEVADA, TAKES ONE VIEW.

AND THE UPPER BASIN, WHICH IS WYOMING, COLORADO, NEW MEXICO AND UTAH TAKES ANOTHER VIEW.

SO NOW, WE ARE LEFT WITHOUT A CLEAR PLAN.

AND WHAT THIS LOWER BASIN PROPOSAL IS REALLY LOOKING AT, HOW TO KEEP THE SYSTEM FROM CRASHING.

FOR A SHORT TERM AND I THINK, TO SOME DEGREE, THEY ARE HOPING TO BUY TIME TO CONTINUE TO KNEE GOSH WAIT THE UPPER BASIN.

TED: I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THAT.

BECAUSE THIS IS A TWO-YEAR PLAN.

THE IDEA IS TO GET A 20-YEAR OPERATING PLAN EVENTUALLY.

IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THIS YEAR.

WE'LL SEE HOW THAT WORKS.

IT IS A TWO IN-YEAR PLAN TO PRIG BY TIME?

>> IT IS ACTUAL LAIL THREE-YEAR PLAN.

BUT THE PRAN IS TO BUT THE PLAN IS TO TAKE CUTS -- DINNER OTHER WORDS LEAVE WATER IN LAKE MEAD TO KEEP THE SYSTEM MORE FUNCTIONAL TO KEEP THE RESERVOIR LEVELS UP.

WHAT MAKES THIS VERY, YOU KNOW, VERY DIFFERENT FOR ARIZONA IS THAT COLORADO RIVER WATER USERS MEANING CITIES, INDUSTRY, TRIBES, IN THE PHOENIX TO TUCSON AREA HAVE JUNIOR PRIORITY.

SO IF THERE WERE CUTS THAT WERE JUST BASED ON WHO GETS CUT FIRST, THE PHOENIX TO TUCSON YOU'RE WATER WOULD GET ENTIRELY CUT BEFORE A MORE SENIOR WATER EXPERIENCE TO CUT.

IN THIS PLAN, CALIFORNIA IS OFFERING TO TAKE A CUT.

THAT IS ARTICLE BIG DEAL.

TED: THAT CERTAINLY IS A BIG DEAL.

COMPARED THIS, THOUGH, TO OTHER OPTIONS, THAT WE HEARD ABOUT, OR BEING CONSIDERED BY THE FEDS.

I GUESS NOTHING IS BEING CONSIDERED TOO MUCH BY THE SEVEN STATES BUT HOW DOES IT STAND WHEN IT COMES TO ARIZONA WATER?

UM, THE, THE BUREAU OF R PRODUCED A DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT THAT HAD SCENARIOS IN WHICH WOULD THERE BE NO WATER RUNNING IN CAP.

THIS PLAN MAKES IT MUCH MORE LIKELY THAT THERE WILL BE NOT BE TERRIBLY DEEP CUTS TO THE CAP.

THE CUT THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS ABOUT 27% OF THE WATER FOR THE CAP.

THAT IS A MANAGEABLE.

IT IS 27% OF ARIZONA'S COLORADO RIVER WATER.

IT IS CLOSE TO HALF THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT COULD RUN THROUGH THE CAP.

IT IS A MANAGEABLE CUT.

TED: IT IS CONSERVATION FOCUSED, COERECT.

>> IT IS FOCUSED ON LEAVING WATER IN LAKE MEAD.

TED: BUT WHERE DOES CONSERVATION THEN COME INTO IT?

WHEEZE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO ALO LOY US.

>> RIGHT.

SO WHATEVER ENTITIES.

THE REALITY IS, THERE ARE SOME COLORADO RIVER WATER USERS WHO DON'T USE EVERY DROP OF THEIR EN TITLEMENTS IN.

IF YOU ARE A CITY, THAT IS GOOD WATER MANAGEMENT.

YOU DON'T WITH TO HAVE TO USE EVERY DROP THAT IS AVAILABLE TO YOU EVERY YEAR.

SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF BUFFER THERE THAT CITIES CAN SUSTAIN TAKING A LITTLE LESS COLORADO RIVER WATER, BUT THEYS ARE DO PLAN, SOME CITIES ARE GOING TO FEEL LIKE, WE DON'T.

WE HAVE A LOT LESS COLORADO RIVER WATER.

AND THEY ARE GOING TO TURN TO GROUND WATER THEY HAVE BEEN STORING UP AS THEIR EMERGENCY SAVINGS ACCOUNT, SO THE CONSERVATION WILL BE LEAVING THE WATER IN LAKE MEAD.

NOT TAKE ALL THE WATER THAT, THAT THEY ARE CONTRACTUALLY ENTITLED TO.

TED: HOW ARE THE UPPER BASIN STATES TAKING THIS PLAN WITH CALIFORNIA CRA MAKING THE CONCESSION THAT THEY DID, YOU GOT THE THREE STATES NOW, BECAUSE NOW, WE TALKED EARLIER, COLORADO ESPECIALLY THEY DON'T THINK ANY CONSERVATION MENDED.

COULD THIS CHANGE THAT DYNAMIC?

>> IT IS HARD FOR ME TO SEE HOW THIS COULD CHANGE THAT TIE 234578IC.

UM, WAY BACK, IN THE NEGOTIATIONS, THE LOWER BASIN OFFERED TO TAKE A BIG SIGNIFICANT FIRST PART OF CUTS.

THEY SAID, WE'LL TAKE $1.5 MILLION-ACRE FEE OF CUTS OUT OF, YOU KNOW, A TOTAL OF 15 MILLION-ACRE THEORETICALLY AVAILABLE THROUGH THE SELF REASON STATES THEN BEYOND THAT WE'LL SHARE.

WE'LL FIGURE OUT WAY TO SHARE.

THE UPPER BASIN SAID WE ARE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT.

WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE AGREEMENTS FOR THE WATER TO BE LEFT IN LAKE MEAD UNDER THE NEW PROPOSAL.

IF EVERYTHING GOES AWAY, THEY ARE PROPOSING, IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO AMOUNTS WE ARE PROPOSED BEFORE.

IT IS JUST SO, IT IS JUST NOT CLEAR IF THIS WILL MOVE THE UPPER BASIN.

I THINK THIS REALLY REFLECTS THAT WE ARE IN A VERY DICEY PLACE WITH COLORADO RIVER WATER.

WE HAD NEAR HISTORIC LOW SNOW PACK.

EARLY HEAT THAT SORT OF DECREASED THE LIKELIHOOD OF WATER TURNING INTO FLOWS IN THE RIVER AND WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT NEXT YEAR WILL BRING.

WE ARE IN A VERY BAD SITUATION HYDROLOGICALLY.

>> LAST QUESTION BRIEFLY IF YOU COULD.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS, THIS IS GOOD FOR ARIZONA?

>> THERE -- BE WHAT THIS -- WHAT THIS AGREEMENT DOES IS, IT GIVES ARIZONA ITS BEST SHOT AT HAVING WATER RUNNING IN THE CAP.

AND THAT IS A BIG PRIORITY BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF CITIES AND INDUSTRIES AND TRIBES THAT RELY.

IT ALSO HAS PROVISION THAT IF IT IS FULLY IMPLEMENTED WILL BE HELP TRIBES MAKE SURE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN MEET ITS OBLIGATION TO TRAIN TOES TO RIVER THIS WATER TO TRIBES.

IT IS GOOD IN THAT CALIFORNIA TAKES VOLUNTARILY TAKES A BIG CUT.

SO THOSE PROVISIONS ARE GOOD.

WE ARE JUST IN SUCH A DIFFICULT PLACE IN THE COLORADO RIVER, THAT IT IS HARD TO LOOK AT ANY AGREEMENT AND SAY, THIS IS GREAT.

THIS IS GLORIOUS.

IT IS ALL HARD.

YAO YEAH.

>> IT IS ALL VERY HARD.

TED: IT KEEPS THE REALLY BAD STUFF AWAY.

>> IT IS INTENDED TO DODD THAT.

IT IS INTENDED TO TRY TO FORESTALL THE REALLY BAD STUFF.

IN THAT RESPECT, IT IS WORTH A TRY.

>> SARAH PORTER AGAIN, USs KYL CENTER FOR WATER POLICY.

>> GOOD TO SPEAK WITH YOU.

THANKS.

TED: DAYSPRING UNITED METHODIST CHURCH IN TEMPE IS HOSTING AN EVENT TITLED: "STANDING WITH THE STRANGER," WHICH INCLUDES PANEL DISCUSSIONS, REFLECTION AND MUSIC ALL FOCUSED ON IMMIGRATION JUSTICE.

DAVID SCHILDKRET IS DAYSPIRING'S DIRECTOR OF MUSIC MINISTRIES.

HE'S ALSO A PROFESSOR EMERITUS AT ASU'S SCHOOL OF MUSIC.

AND ALSO JOINING US IS EVELYN CRUZ, FROM ASU'S SANDRA DAY O'CONNOR COLLEGE OF LAW.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING US?

DAVID, I START WITH YOU.

STANDING WITH A STRANGER.

WHAT IS THE GOAL OF THIS EVENT?

>> A COUPLE OF GOALS.

ONE IS TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE LANDSCAPE OF IMMIGRATION.

WE TEND TO LUMP IMMIGRANTS TOGETHER INTO A BIG BUCKET.

AND THE FACT IS, WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF IMMIGRANTS?

AM WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE REFUGEES.

HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE SEASONAL WORKERS AND SO ON AND TENDING TO TREAT THEM ALIKE.

WE WANT TO TRY TO DISTINGUISH THAT AND HELP PEOPLE WHO FEEL FRUSTRATED WITH THE CURRENT CLIMATE TO FIND WAYS TO BE POSITIVE ACTORS.

TED: YEAH.

THIS EVENT WILL INCLUDE PANELS INCLUDING A PANEL THAT YOU WILL BE ON, A PANEL OF EXPERTS, FOLKS OFFERING WHAT?

TANGIBLE WAYS TO HELP?

WHAT IS THE GOAL HERE?

>> WELL, OUR PRIMARY GEM AT THE LAW SCHOOL RIGHT NOW IS TO MAKE SURE THAT INDIVIDUALS UNDERSTAND THIS SITUATION THAT IS GOING ON WITH THE FEDERAL STATUTES AND THE PROCESSES, THAT BEING USED IN THE GOVERNMENT TO GO AFTER IMMIGRANTS OR TO ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS, WHICHEVER END YOU WANT TO DEFINE IT.

AND THAT EVENT IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE, WHILE WE ARE TRAYING TO DO WHICH IS TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT IT.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH IMMIGRANT GROUPS TO PROVIDE THEM INFORMATION SO THEY MAKE DECISION OUT OF KNOWLEDGE, NOT FEAR.

TED: WHAT ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HEAR?

THAT YOU EX FOLK HEAR AT THE EVENT?

A WELL, QUESTIONSES ARE OFTEN ABOUT WHAT PROCESSES ARE AVAILABLE FOR INDIVIDUALSES TO IMMIGRANT INTO THE UNITED STATES.

PEOPLE ARE VERY SURPRISED WHEN I TELL THEM, THAT FOR INSTANCE, ASYLUM IS FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE EARTH TARGETS, OR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ACTIVISTS.

NOT VICTIMS OF A GENERAL SITUATION SUCH HAZE WE HAVE SEEN IN THE COUNTRIES HALEY UNSTABLE GOVERNMENT.

AND SO,, SO GETTING A PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT THE LAWS ARE, AND WHAT THOSE SPACES ARE IS AS IMPORTANT HAZE YOUR OPINION OF IMMIGRATION IS.

TED: AGAIN, THOSE ARE PANELS.

YOU WILL HAVE SOME WORKSHOPS AS WELL, THEN WE HAVE THE PREMIER OF REQUIEM FOR THE INNOCENT.

A MAUSICCAL PIECE COMPOSED BY YOU?

>> YEAH.

>> TALK TO BUS IT?

>> AFTER THE KILLINGS OF RENEE GOODE AND ALEX, LIKE A LOT OF AMERICANS, I WAS DEEPLY WERE UP SET.

AND BEING A MUSICIAN, MY RESPONSE WAS TO BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT HOW I COULD EXPRESS THAT THROUGH MUSIC.

THE TITLE REQUIEM FOR THE INNOCENT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT CAME TO ME.

THEN I BEGAN WORK ON THE TEXT AND SET TO IT MUSIC.

TED: WAS IT DIFFICULT TO WRITE?

>> YES.

I AM NOT ACTUALLY COME POSITIONED BY VOCATION.

I AM CONDUCTOR.

THIS IS BY FAR THE BIGGEST PROJECT.

TED: INTERESTING.

IS THERE -- WHAT KIND OF HUECISIONS WILL BE?

I KNOW THERE IS A SOLOIST?

WHAT KIND OF MUSICIAN IN TOTAL?

>> THERE IS A CHOIR OF ABOUT 40 SINGERS M. VERY FIND SOLOISTS.

MICHELLE PEREZ, THEN, THEN, ENSEMBLE OF NINE PLAYERS.

SO IT IS PRETTY AMBITIOUS UNDERTAKING.

YAO YEAH, YOU KNOW, I NOTICED THE WORD "REFLECTION" WAS USED A LOT IN THE FLYER ADVERTISING THIS PARTICULAR EVENT.

THE WORD "REFLECTION" FROM WHERE YOU SIT IN TERMS OF IMMIGRATION AND GETTING THAT INFORMATION OUT.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I THINK IS IMPORTANT FOR INDIVIDUALS TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE FACTS ARE.

AND GROUND IN IT ON WHAT THE LAWS ARE.

AND HOW WE APPROACH THE RULE OF LAW.

ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS INSTEAD OF PERMISSION AS TO THEIR POLICIES AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES.

AND SO, IT IS IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE TO SEE THAT AND WHETHER THAT IS THE APPROACH THAT WE WANT TO TAKE TO RULE OF LAW, OR WHETHER THERE IS SOME OTHER METHOD THAT IS, THAT IS DIFFERENT AND MORE ACCURATE TO HOW WE SHOULD AS A COMMUNITY EN TORS THE RULE OF LAW.

TED: INTERESTING.

DAVID, DATE AND TIME HEREZ IN.

>> THIS COMING SATURDAY, STARTING AT 2:00.

UNTIL 6:00.

TED: AND THE LOCATION.

>> DAY SPRING UNITED METHODIST CHURCH ON ELLIOT.

JA ON ELLIOT.

WHEN PEOPLE LEAVE THIS EVENT.

WHAT DO THEY WANT THEM TO TAKE WITH THEM?

>> WHEN THEY LEAVE, HOW DO YOU WANT THEM TO FEEL DIFFERENTLYZ IN.

>> WELL, I WOULD LIKE THEM TO FEEL EMPOWERED.

I THINK A LOT OF US FEEL POWERLESS RIGHT NOW.

WE SEE THINGS GOING ON THAT WE FIND UNAPPEALING, DEEPLY OFFENSIVE.

I THINK THAT, THAT PEOPLE BELIEVE THIS FEELING THAT THEY HAVE SOME TOOLS, THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO BE CONSTRUCTIVE.

>> ALL RIGHT.

256 INDIVIDUAL, AGAIN DAY SPRING UNITED METHODIST CHURCH.

ELLIOT AND McCLINTON.

>> ALL RIGHT.

EVELYN, COLLEGE OF LAW.

GOOD TO YOU HAVE BOTH HERE.

THANKS SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I AM TED SIMONS THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.