REDUCING VIOLENCE IN CHICAGO.

>> THE COOK COUNTY SHERIFF SAYS MORE THAN 27,000 COOK COUNTY GUN OWNERS SHOULD NOT BE IN POSSESSION OF THEIR GUNS.

THAT'S BECAUSE THEIR FIREARMS OWNER, ID OR FOID CARDS HAVE BEEN REVOKED.

BUT THEY HAVEN'T TURNED IN OR TURNED OVER THOSE GUNS.

SHERIFF'S OFFICE JUST RELEASED A REPORT ON THIS ISSUE AND IS CALLING FOR LEGISLATION TO ADDRESS IT.

AND COOK COUNTY SHERIFF TOM DART JOINS US NOW WITH MORE ON THIS.

SHERIFF, WELCOME BACK.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

HAPPY SO ONCE A FOID CARD HAS BEEN REVOKED, WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR THAT PERSON EITHER TO GET RID OF THE GUN OR FOR SOMEONE LIKE YOUR OFFICE TO RETRIEVE THAT GUN.

>> YOU KNOW, BRING US THAT THIS SYSTEM IS ACTUALLY QUITE LOGICAL TO HAVE A DAWN IN ILLINOIS HAVE TO HAVE A CARD FIREARMS OWNER IDENTIFICATION CARD.

IT SEEMED IN THE STATE POLICE SYSTEM AND THEN IF YOU DO A CERTAIN ACT, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT WE VOTE.

SO IF YOU COMMIT A FELONY, IF YOU HAVE AN ORDER OF PROTECTION AGAINST IF YOU HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES THAT REQUIRE YOU TO BE HOSPITALIZED AND THERE'S A HANDFUL OF OTHER ONES.

SO THEY REVOKED THE CARD.

WHAT IS THE FLAW IN THE SYSTEM?

IT'S A MAJOR FLAW IS THAT THERE'S NEVER ANY MECHANISM IN PLACE TO GO TO THAT PERSON'S HOUSE, MAKE SURE THAT THEY CANNOT GET TO THE GONE SO THAT THEY >> EITHER TURN HIM OVER TO LAW ENFORCEMENT OR THEY TURN THEM OVER TO A INDIVIDUAL FAMILY MEMBER WHO IS ALLOWED TO HAVE GUNS.

SO WE POINTED THAT OUT BACK IN 2013, WE SET UP OUR OWN UNIT THAT WENT OUT WITH THE SOLE PURPOSE OF GOING TO ALL THESE HOUSES TO TRY TO GET THE GUNS.

BUT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE NUMBERS HERE, NO ONE UNIT CAN DO IT.

I CAN TELL YOU IN THE AREA THAT I'M IN CHARGE OF THE AREA OF COOK COUNTY THAT I'M THE SOLE POLICING ENTITY.

WE'VE GOT EVERY GONE.

IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR SINCE BASICALLY 2013.

THEY'RE ANYONE WAS REVOKED.

WE'VE SENT SOMEONE OUT LITERALLY THE NEXT DAY AND WE MAKE SURE THE GUNS ARE ACCOUNTED FOR.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY, SEE BY THESE NUMBERS, THE YOU KNOW, 85,000 PEOPLE IN THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, THERE IS NO RECORD OF THEM.

HOW TEAM FOR THEIR GUNS ALL.

>> YOU KNOW, A SHORT OF SOMEONE LIKE YOUR OFFICE GOING TO RETRIEVE THAT GUN.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IS PREVENTING A GUN OWNER FROM COMPLYING WITH REQUIREMENT?

>> BUT, YOU KNOW, IT I THINK BECAUSE THE SYSTEM OPERATION WAS SET UP AND MADE NO SENSE BECAUSE I MEAN, THINK ABOUT THEY NOTICE SERIOUS RATIONALE OR ANY REASON HERE.

BUT IF YOU'RE A PERSON, HAD YOUR RIGHTS REVOLT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO STATE POLICE WOULD MAIL YOU A LETTER SEEN TURNED YOUR CARD IT NEVER REALLY REFERENCES 2013, NEVER REALLY REFERENCED.

YOU KNOW, THE GUNS AT ALL.

AND SO THAT PERSON SOMETIMES WHAT'S IN THE CARDS, SOME THINGS THEY WANT.

BUT THERE WAS NO MIDDLE OF BUILD.

YOU GO AFTER IN FOR AN OWNER WHO EITHER THINKS THAT THEIR REVOLT RIGHT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN REVOKED OR THEY'RE GOING TO GET HIM BACK.

YEAH, I CAN SEE WHERE THEY YOU KNOW, NOT COMPLYING IN PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE ANTICIPATED THAT.

AND SO WE WORK WITH THE STATE POLICE NOW TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.

BUT THE BIG ISSUES, THERE'S JUST NOT RESOURCES BECAUSE THE SMALL TOWNS, VILLAGES AND CITIES DO NOT HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAINED TO GOING TO DO THIS.

AND SO AS RESULT OF THAT, THERE'S VERY FEW AREAS IN THE ENTIRE STATE WHERE YOU CAN SAY ON THAT TOWN, HE'S GOT NO ARE REVOKED.

FOID CARDS.

AND IT'S IT'S PARTICULARLY SCARY BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, NOT JUST THIS 85,000 NUMBER, BUT THE REASONS WHY THE REVOLT THAT THERE ARE CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS.

THEY HAVE A SERIOUS MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE THAT A FELONY CONVICTION, AN ORDER OF PROTECTION RUN DOWN THE LIST.

THESE ARE NOT PEOPLE YOU WANT TO BE SITTING THERE WITH CONS IN PARTICULARLY ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE THE FOLKS WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES THAT NIGHT.

GUNS ARE THE NUMBER ONE SOURCE SUICIDES AND SOMEONE WHO HAS A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE THAT WE KNOW OF WE ALSO KNOW THEY'VE AND WE'RE LEAVING THE CON IN THE HOUSE, DID NOT.

THIS MAKES ANY SENSE.

>> SO AS YOUR REPORT FINDS, THERE ARE ABOUT 27,000 NON COMPLIANT GUN OWNERS IN COOK COUNTY ALONE.

84,085 1000 ACROSS THE STATE WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?

YOU KNOW, WHY DO YOU THINK THIS CURRENT SYSTEM OF REMOVING GUNS IS INEFFECTIVE?

AND WHAT ARE SOME OF CHALLENGES THAT YOUR OFFICE SPACES WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO MEET THIS OUT?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST THE ENORMITY OF IT.

SO THEY SAID, ARE YOU NUTS?

GO OUT AND WE TAKE CARE OF ALL THINGS WERE IN CHARGE UP.

BUT THEN WE GO INTO OTHER TOWNS AND VILLAGES THAT DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO IT.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE I HAVE BASICALLY I THINK IT'S 8 OR 9 PEOPLE IN THE UNIT AND THEN YOU'RE ADDING, HERE'S THE BIG THING.

BRANDES.

YOU'RE ADDING 150 NEW REVOKE CARDS ALL YOU CAN SEE WHERE YOU CAN CATCH UP WITH THIS THING IN LAST.

YOU PUT TOGETHER A MORE STRUCTURED PROCEDURE WHERE YOU HAVE REGIONAL TASK FORCES THAT GO OUT INTO THE SMALLER COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT.

AND THERE IS ALSO SOMETHING TO BE SAID IN CERTAIN COMMUNITIES.

YOU KNOW, THE SECOND AMENDMENT'S, A REALLY, REALLY STRONG, BIG DEAL.

AND SO, YOU KNOW HOW AGGRESSIVE PEOPLE AREN'T FOLLOWING THROUGH ON SOME OF THE STUFF I YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE NUMBERS ARE NOT GOOD.

>> SO AND LET'S GET INTO SOME OF WHAT YOU'RE ADVOCATING BECAUSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE LEGISLATORS APPROVE MONEY TO FUND REVOCATION ENFORCEMENT, MAYBE ESTABLISHING THESE REGIONAL TEAMS THAT YOU'VE HOW WOULD ADDITIONAL FUNDING HELP AND IS FUNDING NECESSARY OR COULD LAWMAKERS IMPLEMENT A FOR FAILURE TO COMPLY?

>> YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FRIENDS, WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE STATE POLICE ON THIS.

AND FRANKLY, WE WANT TO GET THE MONEY TO THEM TO DISPERSE.

I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO COME TO ME.

I WANT THEM TO HAVE MORE SO THEY CAN HELP THE SMALL TOWNS AND VILLAGES AND THEN THEY'RE ON BOARD AND WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM OVER THE YEARS ON THIS.

BUT IT'S REALLY JUST A COUPLE OF COMMUNITIES ARE DOING THIS.

CHICAGO HAS A TEAM.

WE HAVE A TEAM AND THE STATE POLICE AND THERE'S MIGHT BE ONE OR 2 OTHER ONES.

BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS, IS THAT PENALTIES THERE'S ALREADY PENALTIES IN PLACE, FRANKLY, IF YOU DON'T COMPLY WITH THIS, IF EITHER DON'T ALL THE RECORDS, YOU FLY ABOUT THEM.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO DO IT.

YOU REALLY NEED TO WANT TO GO TO THE DOOR.

AND I CAN TELL YOU FROM THAT MANY BODY-WORN CAMERA VIDEOS I WATCHED OVER THE YEARS ON THIS THING.

IT'S IT'S THEY'RE VERY DIFFICULT SITUATIONS TO GO INTO A HOUSE WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS SOME ISSUES.

YOU'RE GOOD.

YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO GIVE THEIR GUNS TO OR GIVEN TO A LOVED ONE.

WHO CAN LEGALLY HAVE THEM?

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT.

I SAYS JUST CAN'T THROW PEOPLE INTO THIS.

BUT THE SAME TIME, HOW GOD'S NAME CAN WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT ALL THE GUN VIOLENCE AND ALL ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WITH GUN VIOLENCE IN HERE?

WE HAVE 84 85,000 PEOPLE AND COUNTING IN ADDING UM, WHO WE KNOW SHOULD BE AROUND GUNS IN THERE SITTING THERE HOUSE.

WE HAVE ADDRESSES.

WE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT.

WE ALSO HAVE DOCUMENTATION SHOWING THAT THEY WANT TO GUN STORES AND WHERE INQUIRING IN MOST LIKELY PURCHASING GUNS AS WELL.

SO THAT'S WHERE THEY SAY A STRUCTURED APPROACH.

YOUR BRAND IS I THINK WOULD HELPFUL PENALTIES.

I JUST DON'T THINK WOULD BE EFFECTIVE.

>> SHERIFF ILLINOIS STATE POLICE SENT US A STATEMENT ON THIS AND IT SAYS, QUOTE, ISP PROVIDES GRANTS FROM THE STATE POLICE REVOCATION INFORCEMENT FUND TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TO CONDUCT FIREARM ENFORCEMENT.

THE FUND RECEIVES MONEY FROM THE FIREARM OWNERS IDENTIFICATION CARD ACT FIREARM CONCEALED CARRY ACT AND OTHER FIREARM OFFENSES.

WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TO APPLY FOR A GRANT TO CONDUCT FIREARM ENFORCEMENT DETAILS.

IS THIS NOT IS THERE JUST A LACK OF AWARENESS BY SMALLER AGENCIES AT THIS KIND OF MONEY EXISTS?

>> YOU KNOW, BRANDIS IS ONE OF THOSE RARE CASES OR EVEN JUST SIT AND SAY, LOOK AT THE NUMBERS.

DO YOU THINK THE SYSTEM'S WORKING?

I MEAN, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, OH, IT'S GOING PRETTY GOOD AND IT'S WORKING?

NO WORD HOME WAS 85,000 REVOLT DROPPED THE STATE AND WE'RE ADDING 150 NEW ONCE A MONTH.

MY GOD.

I MEAN, YOU REALLY YOU BE STRETCHING IT TO NOT UNDERSTAND.

IT'S NOT WORKING HERE.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT.

YES, YOU KNOW, SMALL CAN APPLY FOR THOSE GRANTS, BUT I THINK THE END OF THE DAY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME REGIONAL TASK FORCE MODELING WE DO IN OTHER AREAS AS WELL.

WE'RE EITHER THE STATE POLICE MYSELF, OTHER PEOPLE CAN SORT OF HEAD UP TEAMS TO GO OUT AND DO THIS BECAUSE OF WHAT IT'S NOT GOING TO DONE.

WE'VE HAD THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON.

WE'VE HAD TEAM SINCE 2013 SO WE DO IS OVER A DECADE.

THE NUMBERS KEEP GETTING WORSE.

SO ANYBODY WHO'S LIKE OF THE OPINION THINGS ARE WORKING?

I THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY OUGHT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS.

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