And now the 490 with Gretchen de Bakker might kill them.

And Kevin Mullin from.

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I'm Kevin Mullin.

Gretchen de.

Becker.

Matt killam.

It is a Tuesday edition.

It is of the 419.

We've got a bunch of.

Great.

It's gonna be a jam packed show.

We have, like, 18,000 people that are on the program today.

That's a record.

Yeah.

No, I think it's.

I think it's because I'm not used to there being two guests in the middle segment.

Okay.

I try to throw you off.

Yeah.

No, you don't, you don't.

So we're going to, continue our tour de cafe.

This is the last one.

Coffee quest.

All right.

The coffee quest ends at the end of June.

So this is our last coffee quest yet.

So get involved in it.

Copper Press Roastery is with us here today, so we'll talk to them, about their business and, why coffee quest?

Why this?

Why this matters?

And then, our good friend Zach Vasser is going to come back on the program with Danielle Chesky.

They've got an authors sort of series event coming up.

Yep.

With Live Arts Toledo.

It's.

This is a big deal.

I know about this sort of thing.

Gently from Gretchen.

So it's me excited.

Kicking off here.

It's nice to have it in our little burg here, but it's a national tour.

It'll be kicking off, here in relative short order.

So pretty exciting.

Yeah.

And, Ben, Ben's a good dude.

I tell him you guys both new.

And I'm surprised that you recognize the name.

He grew up in the Yarbrough house.

Oh, interesting.

Yeah.

Inside joke.

Gretchen and I grew up in the same neighborhood.

And she has space time.

And Matt is wrong about who used to live in this one house.

When I could.

I was in the house many, many, many times.

And he, of course, was never invited inside over the threshold.

Oh, it's almost like it's your house.

And it's me.

Almost.

Yeah.

Never been invited in.

It's a dump.

Yeah.

So you can relate.

Oh, it's it's a dump.

Yeah.

He's like.

Gretchen says the front yard is, Frankenmuth of Old Orchard.

Because it's Christmas 20, 24, 65.

If you take it down.

The reindeer.

It is down.

It's not a reindeer.

It was a nutcracker.

Yeah.

It's even worse.

She had dig it down.

It fell down.

It wrote.

It out.

That's right.

Yeah.

Three years.

Turns out those things don't hold up forever.

The light bulb still on.

So that's a no no.

Metaphorically.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

And then, Tina, boss and Brooke.

Yeah.

One of our favorite shows.

Great.

Third time she the third time guest.

Okay.

Yep.

All right.

Two more, and she gets a jacket.

That's why we got to keep her away from that.

Because we don't have the budget.

We don't have kids.

We don't have.

Doug.

Yeah, yeah.

And then she gets education program, kids, summer programing, some of the great things that are happening, here and around the community, courtesy of our our incredible friends at Wjct.

They've got a full summer of stuff.

Tina has been working with our programmatic department of the Metroparks, with some pretty exciting stuff.

So I'm excited to see how it's going, because summer has just started for most little kiddos.

But she's great.

I want to remind everyone why we're talking about kids and stuff to do, and you need to fill time in the summer.

This coming weekend is the Metroparks watershed, weekend stuff.

Quite literally every day, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

But Saturday is the day.

If you have the kids, the family, load them all up, get downtown.

The MLK bridge is going to be shut down, full of activities you can repel off the bridge.

You can try kayaking.

You could do the climbing wall.

There's going to be it's going to be unbelievable.

This is Matt did not know I was going to say this.

Totally unsolicited but very excited for next weekend.

So make sure that you take the family down there.

Watershed weekend repel off the bridge.

Yeah, yeah.

So you'll be able to it will be south facing not due south, but we have our tree climbing program, the same one that we brought inside the library to climb up into the atrium.

You'll be able to climb off of, the Martin Luther King Bridge and repel into, sort of the basement there.

That's right in front of one, see, which, of course, is the big last building for now.

Yeah, yeah, pretty cool stuff.

That's very cool.

I love it.

All right, let's take a break.

When we come back, we will, kick in the coffee quest.

Let's do it.

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Welcome back into the 419 powered by GT e. It's Coffee Quest up until the end of this month, so get out, enjoy great local coffee shops all across Northwest Ohio.

We're joined by Bo, joined now by Gareth Jones with Copper Press Roastery.

Gareth, thank you so much for being here.

Thank you.

What what is where is Copper Press?

We're in, white House, right across from the high school.

So part of the community that was the, one of the driving forces.

Still.

Why we got into the coffee shop.

How how long have you been there?

It's been.

We've been in that location for four years.

And are you roasting?

I mean, due to the name roasting.

Roasting originally.

And that was the idea.

One of our business partners, David, he's got experience in that.

We just bought our own roaster.

So we're now in it's bigger.

And so we're going to be doing.

That.

To supply just the, the shop or to also sell the whole bean.

Bean.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's exciting.

I've been, the cover press multiple times.

I worked for the Metroparks, during the day.

And it's a convenient place to have meetings.

It's a great establishment.

I think Gretchen, is a bit of a coffee snob, so she can talk about that.

But there's a multitude of things that you offer there, and, that's about myself as a total glutton.

But I ate through most of your case.

I appreciate it.

Yeah.

So do I. Yeah.

Talk to me a little bit about, the, the the concept there.

If those of you don't know, if you walk through the doors, what what's the experience you're hoping to have?

Yeah, I, I've been in the restaurant business in Toledo for 20 odd years.

And when we moved to white House, my wife really wanted to be more involved with the community.

So that's how we ended up in a coffee shop and doing it with David and my wife.

My wife's more involved than I am.

But it's all about just.

Make sure you do the interviews.

Yeah.

At 645.

That's right, that's right.

Yeah I. Get it.

But it's all about service.

It's all about community.

Yeah.

Along with serving quality.

So all our sirups are homemade.

Everything's made from scratch.

The food is made from scratch.

We buy from local bakeries.

We buy from Philips, and then we buy from Purple Penguin in Tampa.

Why is that important to you?

Supporting the community.

Yeah.

You know, that supports.

The local business ecosystem.

Right?

But that's how independents survive.

The independents in Toledo is the hardest market for restaurants.

Yeah.

And if we don't work together, then we won't be able to compete with the big guys.

You know, you talk about the culture of or the vibe of a coffee shop, right?

I'm curious when you guys were opening.

Right.

You walk into a space and it's a, it's a blank slate for you guys to decide what you want it to be.

What was one of the first decisions you guys made about you know, about the space to try to build the the vibe that you're hoping for?

Yeah.

I mean, I look at it very differently than my wife looked at it and possibly David, because I look at it.

And how am I going to make money on this?

Right.

Sure.

But that is a critical part of the business.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

My wife looks at it and like she created the space.

She created that environment.

So the soft seating areas that we have, the tables where people can sit and work.

And then one of the important things, there's a big.

It was actually our dining room table at home.

That's there.

Oh, neat.

And that's a nice gathering place for people to sit and, you know, have time together.

You said that you had been in the business for 20 plus years.

I can tell by your curved spine and the sadness in your face.

That's true.

How did you get out?

I have the same face.

Okay.

Yeah, I'm with you.

How did you get into this?

This space.

And talk to me a little bit about your lineage there.

Yeah.

I was introduced to the restaurant business, 25 years ago.

By Nick Toklas.

Yeah, sure.

He was my, at the time, my father in law.

And, I worked for him.

And we grew the business that Nick and Jim is and all the tea time boys.

But he.

Was.

Absolutely.

I had, I had quite the education.

Yes.

But more one that's it's been invaluable.

And, Yeah, but you just miss him every day.

I bet.

An important, he and that business, an important institution in a multitude of ways.

I've always thought Nick and Jimmy's was a rare, combination of both a bar, a true bar and a family place.

Great food.

So, we were going.

We being my family when I was a child, we would go there Friday nights.

We'd get a roll of quarters, and my parents would entertain, other family, friends that had kids, and we would play pinball and stuff like that, and the parents would eat.

And then later it came into that.

It was a real live bar.

And those, concepts don't necessarily wed together and, for obvious reasons.

But there wasn't that way in Nick and Jimmy's.

But I do think there's a core tenant about what you described or I guess based on your wife's beating this into your head.

Corton, about making a place feel welcoming and Nick and Jimmy's and what it sounds like, the juxtaposition between earning money because you have to feed your family, and having it be a place where people feel comfortable and welcoming and and making it their own.

Do you have what's the secret to your sauce there, Mr.

John?

I think it, Mr.

Jones.

Gareth.

Yeah, that's what he's trying to say.

Calling Mr.

Jones from walking out.

I mean, we have to be very honest with ourselves in this business, right?

I mean, you can go down the street and get a Heineken or a burger or a cup of coffee.

Yeah, right.

I mean, let's be honest, we're not serving.

We're not reinventing the wheel.

We're not unique.

So what do we have to do?

Well, we don't have a six month old.

A book we we read on people coming through the door every day.

And you do that by service.

Yeah.

And know.

That's right.

I've insisted.

And that's one of the things that we did in Nick and Jim is when I had Sonny show up at Levis Commons, you remember something about that customer.

And you don't have to remember that name.

Remember a joke?

They said, remember what they ate.

Remember that they tripped or something, and it became everyone laughed or anything.

Yeah.

That makes them want to come back?

Yes, sir.

Because there's so many places you can go get a cup of coffee or a sandwich or a beer.

I always thought to one of the best ways to have a lifetime customer.

Everyone remembers a no one remembers a good experience.

Really.

Right.

But an error or something being messed up is such an opportunity to make a lifetime loyal customer for you, because your reputation is truly on every plate that's coming out of the kitchen.

But the ability to write something that was wrong and have people see that you care.

You can't cheat.

Being genuine is treasures.

That sounds.

People can tell if you care and that's what they'll remember who are.

Yeah, I have that problem.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I don't think customers like I think while we all hope for perfect, like no one is expecting it every time.

So like, mistakes happen, right?

And so that's why I've always admired Gretchen.

Because she's given up on perfection.

Just tried decades ago.

Yeah.

But but I I'm English.

Yeah.

That's right.

Yeah.

And you guys know food, right?

But we.

Yeah, this can boil for longer.

This interview went downhill very quickly.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You can tell by your audience some people.

Yeah, yeah.

But, I mean, I had experience at a restaurant, a couple of weeks ago that just.

I mean, it was it was just a bad experience, right?

And it, like, bad got.

Worse.

Yeah.

Like, I'm not putting my pants back on, I don't care.

That's right.

But I but I remember saying to you know, my wife and ultimately, like, in a conversation with the waitress at the end of the night saying, like, I'm not upset that the mistake happened.

I am upset how I was handled.

Yeah.

Right.

And so while I appreciate that you came in and you owned the mistake.

Yeah.

Then you tried to pretend the rest of the night like it didn't happen.

Yeah.

And if you had tried to solve it, it would have cost you less money.

Sure.

But now that you didn't like.

Now I'm.

Now I'm not paying sure for the thing that we got two hours late.

Right.

Like.

But but it's but it's a tough business, right?

And I appreciate, you know, Garrett here that you say, you know, to some extent a cup of coffee is a cup of coffee, right?

But if somebody who owns a coffee shop, I imagine, when you go around, you know, you're tasting other people's coffee and going, oh, it's ours is better.

Yeah.

What, what but what keeps you?

I want to say humble.

What keeps you hungry?

That you can't just rest on.

Your coffee's better than anybody who.

You know, I do this with with Starbucks and my daughters who love Starbucks, and I'm like, Starbucks is the worst.

But people love Starbucks.

Right.

And so you could say our coffee is better than Starbucks, but that's not going to stop people from going to Starbucks, right?

So what are you doing to keep you hungry and keep you earning?

And in this business, like Nick drove distance me from the start.

If you're not evolving, you'll die.

And if you're not constantly changing in this business and constantly learning every day, if I don't learn something in this business and I own restaurants as well, and I do other foodservice stuff, I'm always looking to learn, and whether that's how we do the process to be more efficient, to be better, to be able to serve our customers better, whether it's improving the sirups, whether it's improving the coffee.

It doesn't matter.

But you've got to try and find something every day in this business, because I guarantee you Starbucks is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's exactly right.

I guarantee you.

You mentioned that you are English.

It's obvious to our audience that you are.

Can you tell us how you landed.

In the Union Jack?

Yeah.

Yeah.

How did you land here in Toledo?

I originally came here to play rugby.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Well, I. I I've heard that story a thousand times.

Right.

This is Toledo.

So, class.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's a big Toledo following.

Huge.

Jamie Farr was big into.

Right?

Yeah.

They used him as the ball.

Well.

I, I did that when I was.

Well, I was actually in Florida and then ended up in Toledo.

You know, God, you.

Guys can figure out that.

We can.

Figure out.

Sure.

Yeah.

Yeah, that that story I have.

Yeah.

We're.

Yeah, we're talking with Gareth Jones with Copper Press Roastery.

You mentioned community is important to you guys.

What are some of the things that you guys have done?

To not only build a community, but support the community that surrounds you?

I mean, Coffee Quest is a big thing, obviously, and that's, you know, I do have my notes.

Yes, please.

Yeah.

Your wife is notes for you?

Sure.

But that's a great community thing.

Organization did in setting that up has been great.

What do you see during the during these.

We see it up.

Token sales.

Yeah.

We see other people coming and that's amazing.

And that's.

Yeah.

And that's other independents helping like I said at the start.

That's right.

And if we don't help each other then it won't work.

How smart was it to be across the street from the high school?

Yeah, we were fortunate that location came up.

And that has definitely helped.

It also has its challenges.

That it does.

Yes.

And we'll skip past that.

Okay.

There are unique items.

And not to leave anyone out.

So, maybe it's put you on the spot, but if you walk into Copper Press, from your perspective, what are can't miss items that are there?

I mean, the coffee.

Okay.

The coffee.

When we're roasting our own yields, the, you know, we're sourcing it responsibly.

We've committed to roasting it within 2 to 3 months.

So it's not sat on a shelf like there's other people's coffees.

You'll notice a difference when you brew a coffee that's been roasted in within that timeframe.

The bloom is different.

It is.

The flavor is different.

Have you always had a palette for coffee or is that something you had you've had to develop?

My palette for coffee is very different.

Like I mean, you really should have my other partners there talking about it.

I just drink espresso.

Sure.

Okay.

That's it.

Yeah.

Black coffee with espresso.

Okay, so they're the ones that have the pilot for coffee.

The food I did the.

So the food that we serve, the burritos, the breakfast items.

Well, that's what I bring.

Let's work into that, then.

All those things are important.

Not just from the business model standpoint, but you have people there who have elongated stays, which are which is a mixed bag.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So talk to me about the items that, that are can't miss from a food perspective.

So the breakfast burritos are a big item.

Yeah.

And the breakfast wraps.

So.

But it's a full burrito.

It's hashbrowns, egg, cheese, sausage.

And there's some some custom sauces that I did at Sonny's.

And now we do a copper press that we have a bang-bang sauce.

We have a jalapeno ale.

We do, a cilantro blend.

So there's different items that we, we put in and then the pastry items as well.

Who cooks at the house?

Not there.

Yeah.

That's right.

Not that.

That's right.

During the day.

Right.

Yeah.

Is your wife working full time in the business?

Oh no, I wasn't.

So I bring the food service and the restaurant experience.

David was the coffee guy, and my wife is a school psychologist.

Oh my.

Gosh.

So in order to be in this business, you do have to be a little crazy.

So she's the one that controls both of us?

Yeah.

So if there's an organizational structure, she's definitely the problem.

Yeah, 100%.

We all knew that was cats.

So she just text.

It's time for you to take your medicine.

I don't know if you text.

It's time for me to leave.

Things moving forward.

Coffee quest, of course, comes to an end.

There's no seasonality to one of the last legal drugs being sold in terms of caffeine, but, are there seasonal?

Many or.

But what's next for the copper press that people can be that you're willing to out here on the program?

Yes.

Okay.

Now you're saying now you've got me.

I was doing great, right?

We do have a summer menu.

All right.

Should we move on?

Yes.

Got.

Yeah.

Yeah yeah yeah.

And it's delightful.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, I know it's coming to tell them to shut up.

Got it.

All right.

For the summer menu, it's going to be one.

It's going to be amazing.

Yeah.

You know what?

There's no reason to set that too soon.

Come in.

Come in and try it.

That's right.

That's exactly.

How should I spoil it?

That's exactly right.

That's more of that English charm that you learned on the rugby.

It's nothing says charm like rugby.

What?

Subtle.

No human, no human being that's listening to this?

No.

Any of the positions in rugby?

But I, I was telling our our our producer, who is just a nightmare, isn't here today.

He's a South African.

I was staying in the same hotel as the South African national rugby team.

And these guys were built like this table?

Yes.

You are not, What?

How how.

But you're not mangled or unpleasant looking or unpleasant.

Period.

What?

How did.

I. Start?

Yeah, sure.

Yeah.

So before the concussions took over, I was quite.

There's not enough breakfast burritos, brother, to put you in the lineup.

There's a there's a different.

There's two groups of people that play rugby.

Guys that is the forwards and the backs.

Okay.

And the forwards are the, How do I say this politely?

You don't have I had to sign a release.

Yeah.

You did.

You just can't swear.

Just give me that special.

Yeah.

Special.

We'll take that.

Those are.

The special.

And then there's the back.

So we're the pretty ones and the funny ones.

We do all the fun stuff, and you.

Make the forwards go forward.

Not really.

Yeah, but there you there there.

Yeah.

The big and also smart ones.

Yes.

So smart ones I guess.

If you were coaching a rugby team.

Yes.

And you had to put us out on the field.

Oh.

Where would you put the three of us?

On the field.

Yeah.

Parking pass.

Yeah.

Crunching glass.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's fine.

Okay, go and pick up the trash.

Yes.

Yeah, I'll say you'd.

Be safer.

There.

Yeah.

I can take tickets.

Yeah, that just put me in the ticket window.

Could be right.

Gareth, thank you so much.

If people want more information on Copper Press, where can they find it?

Social media, we have a website and, right across from the high school, and.

It's a great place to drop in.

Again, like I said, I've had multiple meetings there.

And it was worth worth the stop and worth the stay.

Appreciate it.

Couple.

We shared the.

Support.

A couple weeks left, and Coffee quest.

Get out.

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You can just get it.

It's just going.

To oh, it's just a Tuesday.

This is not Asmr Tuesday.

You know.

Yeah.

You guys.

Before we get to Tina, who is the director of educational.

And.

Production GT, I have to tell you about this new thing in my algorithm.

Tina, back me up.

Oh, I watch this video of someone pulling, like, the dead things off of succulent plants.

Do you know what I'm talking about?

Yeah, yeah.

Heading rising.

No, I don't know what that is.

That's what I just said.

That's right.

Yeah.

Just studying botany.

That's right.

Speaking as a teacher, that's your explanation.

Thank you.

First of all, no.

I'm serious.

I don't care if I do her that Tina has never said one supportive thing to me.

This bozo, she was like me watching something on her phone about deadheading, which is an involving like that heading.

What's that?

That's the thing.

Anyway.

That works.

That works for a botany agency.

So, yeah, he knows that.

Yes.

Tina.

Boss, welcome back to the program.

Third time on the show.

Halfway.

The second time.

It feels like the third time.

Yeah, that's a song, right?

I had to cut the third one because of all the profanity.

Okay, that's fair, but we said so.

You get to five times and you get a jacket.

Yeah.

Oh, so we can't say bad.

That's what.

You get.

This actual jacket.

This is it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I'm sure that you'll fall just short of the fifth.

Yeah.

I'm like Borat.

I've been wearing this.

I think I'm getting really busy.

Yeah.

All of a sudden.

No time.

Well, that is actually true.

That's a good segue.

Okay.

Yeah.

You have certainly very busy.

You've got a busy summer playing.

I mean, do you own a segue?

I don't run.

Oh, that's the segue you were talking.

Yeah.

You go to your life as a Mercer for it.

I think I would injure myself.

100%, no doubt.

About you got.

Let's let's start on the programing side.

There's a couple of new programing coming, to for kids this summer.

A couple new programing.

That's it.

Programing.

Yeah.

It's some democracy today, man.

Are you smelling burnt toast.

I might yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

It's been a long week.

Kevin.

Is the.

Is that a sign of a stroke?

Burnt toast?

Yes, absolutely.

I did not know that.

Or making a show in a studio.

Yeah.

I'm sorry.

Save it.

Tina, help us before kids.

Let's go with what's directly marketed to kids.

Let's do it.

Okay, so we have movie night coming up this Friday, which is our quarterly movie night.

Roses rules.

So it's all about community.

Rosie likes to teach kids about community.

Rosie will be here herself.

Or you can come and meet Rosie.

Nice picture taken with Rosie.

Do some fun.

What's the age group for that?

Rosie?

3 to 6.

Okay.

But, you know, with older kids, older siblings coming, they always enjoy the activity.

One more time with the date and time of.

The, June 12th.

Okay.

Doors open at 545, so at 6 to 730.

Cool.

Right here at the studio.

Okay.

And then we have a movie night on the road.

Yeah.

Thanks, Matt.

Wildwood, thanks to you.

Yeah.

So now we're showing The Exorcist.

What they're showing.

Wow.

Was about so Jim Henson.

So any Muppet grew up on Muppet Show?

Let's say Jim Henson produced a new special called was about.

It's set in Sequoia National Park.

So the backdrop is actually Sequoia with the puppets Roxie and Ronald out in front.

They become junior Rangers, explore the park, develop their, So it's all about developing, whether that be nature reading, you know, whatever it is, the little things in life like picking the dead leaves off.

Please don't.

Please.

Whatever finds you, is this doing to be outdoors?

Is it in one of the, is that word pavilion?

So we'll show the special.

Then we have activities that will be inside, hopefully outside to have a nice, night.

They can take a walk with their family.

You go home with giveaways and activities to do at home, and both of those are totally free.

Those are totally free.

That's awesome.

I ask you, when you're building programing, you absolutely have to consume this content yourself.

How does how does that happen?

Do you at home, you family has it.

All right then you've got older children.

Are you like, all right, kids, we're going to watch that you Daniel Tiger.

Because I get to see if we're going to play it or not.

Well, we're empty nesters.

I send them the links.

They never watch them, I'm sure.

Yeah, but, I watch them, or I make my husband watch them.

I love this, so I get to get paid to, you know.

Yeah, we we ask this question of of a lot of guests.

And I'm curious in this from your perspective.

What do you like the best of the three of us?

That's right.

You don't have to.

Answer that at all.

Yeah, that's that's not true.

Teacher, I can't have a teacher.

Said fair enough.

Well, I've got nothing to strive for for the rest of this interview.

You know, there's no chance of the teacher's pet.

I'm out.

Yeah.

No.

When you're when you're planning programing, is there somebody that you see or somebody that you think about that you're programing for?

Is there a particular individual that you're thinking about when you're deciding is this is does this fit for or not?

And why is it Steve Bannon?

So I'll answer Kevin's question.

Just so, Alyssa may, colleague and I like to think about things in kind of three buckets we like to think about.

We have programing directed directly toward kids.

We have programing directed toward parents to teach them how to use our programing educationally.

So I mean, we all know that kids spend a lot of times on their screen, and we don't want to encourage the constant, just passive viewing.

We want it to be active viewing.

So how can you view as a family and then take what you see on the screen and continue that learning into your everyday life, whether it's being in the car, at the grocery store, you know, during story time and bedtime at night, whatever it is, take those those themes and those educational standards and goals that the show is trying to present.

And how do you bring that into your everyday life?

So that's what we do with movie nights, and then we also reach teachers as well.

I think I understand the difference in passive and active viewing, but but.

I'm not sure you.

Do.

Yeah, but help me understand.

Like what?

What what would be an example of, passive viewing and what's an example of active viewing?

So if you're just setting your kid in front of the TV so you can go scroll on your phone or you can, you know, do whatever you need to get done, that's kind of passive viewing.

And we all do that as parents.

There has to be a time, you know, I remember when I had three small children and, you know, sometimes you just have to cook dinner or if take a shower or you have to go and make dinner, you know, I just said, make dinner, but you have dinner every night.

My kids feel like.

So maybe.

To make.

Sure.

So, yeah, you know, there's things you have to do, right?

So you can put them in front of there.

But active viewing is more watching together, asking questions, discussing what you've seen afterwards.

Sure.

How does that teach you something?

Like why is there educational value in PBS kids programing, which there is an amazing amount, there's amazing amount and it's so easy to access.

And again, totally free.

The app is amazing.

I agree and I hate.

Yeah that.

So you have that on your phone.

You can give that to one of the kiddos to watch some of the shows on there.

But then there is there additional educational type stuff on the website?

There's some on the website, but there's also, you know, there's PBS kids viewing app, there's the PBS Kids Games app.

So every show, whatever the educational content is.

So like I said, Rosie's Rules is community content.

There's games for Rosie on the games app.

So one of them is you learn how to read a map like I used to read a map, and I know we all have our phones, but like what happens when you don't have your phone?

Or what happens when you're trying to look at your phone and understand how it's, you know, how it's organized on your phone, so you have to learn.

It's so cool.

How does the mail work?

Why is there one day for garbage day?

There's all just this community in.

My neighborhood.

I didn't run.

I this is potentially an unfair question, and I do want to give you a bit of a out here, because I know there's a multitude of it, but is there any particular, piece of content, in whatever that the content may mean that you remember is like a wow, this is a incredibly well done.

I know there's probably a bunch, but, in your experience, you're like, boy, this is a home run.

This is incredibly well done.

Is there one that stands out to you?

You mean on the PBS content?

I'm not really sure if there's one.

One favorite thing of mine is, you know, being PBS employees when a new show comes out, we get to hear a special webinar from the people who created the.

Oh, cool.

And so we get to hear every single kind of thought, process and detail that went in and how many times they, you know, did different hair for a certain character or how many times they had a, you know, different catchphrase that they were testing out about what that character's going to be like.

Rosie likes to flop when she gets really frustrated, she flops and has to try to think about it.

You know, and she's relatable.

There's no I don't understand phrase.

So, I mean, there's something about each show, and I love to hear from the, the producers and creators of this show how much attention to detail went into and what they're trying to communicate.

All to me, like the creative minds that went into this time and the energy and it just amazes me, is the creativity combined with the education, with working with educators.

I'm sure to get that message out.

Yeah, there's an overwhelming amount of content that is not what you just described out there, right?

And is treasures.

This may sound, you know, I don't know if you want to expand upon it or not, but, does this provide some level of hope to you?

I mean, your kids are in college now.

In college, they would have only been able to go to to clean up after them in the cafeteria.

So I know you're very proud of them, as you should be, but it has to be inspiring still.

I mean, this is a job, and although it is a good job, you still have to get up and go do it.

But to your point, you get to listen to this, and then go back to the doomscrolling or whatever is, there's this provides some maybe we're going to make it.

Maybe things are okay.

Is that registered to you in that fashion?

It does.

And I mean this segways great into the next.

The third event I was going to mention anyways is be my Neighbor days at the zoo on August 10th, I guess PBS celebrity yeah, NPR.

I Daniel Daniel Tiger walks in and the amount of kids that know Daniel Tiger and can say his catchphrase and know that he is all about being a good neighbor and about being a good friend and being kind.

And that event especially just inspires everybody at the station, because a lot of times our station volunteer or our station employees like to come and volunteer at the event.

So.

So it's August 10th of that at the Toledo Zoo, at the Toledo.

And what time is it?

And a m to 1 p.m.?

Do people need to register in advance?

They don't.

They can just show up.

Event is free.

You can get into the zoo for free if you're Lucas County resident.

PNC helps us with this event.

So they'll also have the mobile learning lab or machine learning adventure there, which, is kind of a job.

UX job exploration for young kids.

Cool.

But just lots of events.

You get to meet Daniel Tiger, the smiles, the screams, the joy and the kids faces.

I would imagine that everybody knows Daniel Tiger, but if they don't, I mean, it's Daniel Tiger is part of, Mister Rogers Neighborhood and a really savage.

Predator, right?

Like, no.

No, I will say when I mean, this is I think this is unique across most PBS kids programing.

You know, when your kids are watching it and you're watching with them, there's programs that watch that are designed for kids that I just want to, like, take a pen and jab my eyeballs out, because it's painful.

But with PBS kids programing, there is a it's certainly Daniel Tiger.

There's so many, connections and things I can go back to remember from growing up with Mr.

Rogers that replay themselves through Daniel Tiger and some of the lessons.

Yeah, the knowledge that they have to Mr.

Rogers in there is incredible.

There was another you know, we experienced that with Fred Rogers when we talked to him all the times and the things, the little details that they put in there that if, if, if the parent is watching especially they get watched Mister Rogers, they see that there's that connection back to Mr.

Rogers.

So it's the whole new generation that Fred Rogers created to just keep that learning, you know.

Please go with your internet.

Sorry.

You also have two new programs in addition to these three live events in June, July and August, two new programs coming.

Yes, we are thrilled.

Lucas County Commissioners has sponsored a new program that we are thrilled to start producing.

Shane and I are making eight Z videos, so we're using iconic Lucas County locations to create short form videos for kids.

And that is something, little flip deck so they can go and visit that activity for fun and learn their letter.

It's just a good way for them to think about the letter.

And it's all about Lucas County.

And what does she know?

All the letters.

Have you had to you can be asked on this show of anything else.

Shane is just a just an albatross.

If you need a date.

Yeah.

Oh, hey.

For albatross, Shane can be.

Hey, there you.

Go.

Well, that's called Campbell's the zebra.

So.

Apples?

Yeah.

He knows zebras.

Let me tell you that.

That guy that's gonna be fun.

That's gonna be a few.

This.

We are very excited.

That one has been, I think the idea came to us three years ago.

I've been working hard at.

Yeah, that sounds like a pace that chain work.

How often do you guys create your own unique kids programing versus leveraging?

You know, PBS kids national programing that's available.

To create creation of kids programing here.

Video creation is news since I've been here, and I do not believe it's happened an incredibly lot in the past.

Yeah.

So this is really exciting for us.

You know, as we look more toward digital, where we want to go, it's going to be in the app.

We'll be kicking it off in September.

So it'll be we'll put that date out there and it'll be really exciting.

And that.

Is really.

Exciting.

That's fun.

Yeah.

And we're hoping to follow on if we can continue to fund the program.

We want to do 26 short form podcasts for kids to go along with the 26 letters of the alphabet.

So there's more to for this program.

If we can continue on.

Matt doesn't recognize all.

2626.

I thought he was going to write me a check.

Yeah, absolutely.

You're going to want to catch that, you know, a little quickly.

Yeah.

26 letters.

That's great.

No, I think this is such a great program.

It's such a good idea.

It's a great.

Idea to take, I mean, to your earlier comment about, you know, active viewing, right, to be able to take the thing that you're doing on the screen, get out in the community and see it in real life.

It's not every day.

I think it's part of the excitement of Daniel Tiger coming to Toledo.

It's it's not every day you get to see the thing you're watching on TV in person.

And for folks across northwest Ohio, they have a chance to do that.

That's really exciting.

You should be so proud of that.

Yeah.

Gretchen, your favorite location in Toledo, indiscriminate of the litter that starts with.

My favorite location.

Yeah.

That's the words I said.

I don't know, let's this is really at the top, the beginning going to be at the top.

I think.

Why did you ask?

I don't know if it's too topical.

So I thought, I thought it.

Was going to be Holland, Michigan.

That's what I expected.

But yeah.

I'm not sure what.

Oh got.

It.

Yeah.

You got to that.

If people want more information on PBS kids and then GT programing, where can I find it?

Our website dot org the.

Check out the app.

And the.

App.

It's awesome.

August 10th Daniel Tiger Toledo Zoo.

Don't miss it.

Now keep your hands away from his mouth.

He's a real tiger.

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When we come back, we will be joined by Zach Vasser and Mel Chesky talking about an upcoming artist event with Live Arts Toledo.

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No.

Maybe.

Well, this is a community partnership.

I am on Penguin Random House Advisory Board, so that's one of the many hats that I wear.

But yes, I know there's a lot of hats.

So you and I met when you were working for the library?

Yes.

It's a library.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We've reconnected through rotary.

Yeah, but you guys are working on a project together.

We are we?

Oh my gosh.

Oh, you.

Just randomly show up here together.

That's what.

That's what the random.

And I'll tell you what.

You host your show at the food court at Franklin Park Mall.

Good things happen.

I've always said that.

I guess let's let's start with.

So this is a you've got an author coming in town.

June 11th.

Dave Eggers is coming.

This is connected to Live Arts Toledo.

Typically, what I would expect from you guys is something music or dance related.

Why an author?

So when we rebranded back in September, we were talking a lot about the power of bringing people together for live experiences.

You know, we don't have those precious opportunities to do that very often.

You know, I basically say you either go to a, a sporting event to a church or to a concert, and that's when you meet strangers and sit shoulder to shoulder.

And, when we change our name from Toledo Lions for the Performing Arts to something called Live Arts Toledo, that opened up and gave us agency not to just focus on classical music or dance or jazz, but to anything that would bring that power of connection and community together.

So when we talked about having Dave Eggers come in to basically launch his, his new book tour, we thought about whether spoken word and the topic of discussing printed words is a live art.

And, I think you had some really great ideas about what that what that means.

And, you know, we can call this live words.

Because authors do a lot of very dynamic thinking when they're putting their, their books together.

And we have a rare chance to see that in play.

And this is a really big deal.

I mean, he's going to be kicking off his national book tour for his for his new book.

He's a very accomplished author here in in Toledo on June 11th and.

At the peristyle.

The peristyle was.

Amazing.

But I want to lean into that.

If you have been has had the misfortune of educating me most of our lives.

So I guess this is a natural role for you.

It's good that I'm sitting between you two.

Yes.

Oh, yes.

Please, give, other, bozos that listen to the show like myself.

A little bit of background on Mr.

Eggers, the book and why this is so significant.

Sure.

Well, he's a highly accomplished author.

Finalist, winner for so many book awards and, you know, writerly recognition from Pulitzers and national book awards, too.

He has a children's book.

And like, the best children's books, it's it's it's actually maybe more for adults or you get you get something out of it.

Two or maybe more out of it.

He won an award for that recently.

But it's done so much and done so much community work, too.

So there's the whole, like, social justice, side of what he does, too.

He came up with a 26 national, just, so integrated, involved, first locally, but then regionally and nationally.

And he does so much, so it's it's amazing to even have this kind of opportunity to work with him.

There is a longer, funnier story of how, we came to kind of, to intersect.

He also, if if you're familiar with McSweeney's literary Journal, it's it's an awesome thing.

It's a great rabbit hole to go down to a good go into, but, his, so that's, that's actually produced out of Ann Arbor.

And we hosted Amanda Yulee, who, who has a new book out too, which is awesome, called Destroy This House.

It's amazing.

He's won many awards, too.

She's been on many podcasts.

Awesome.

Dax Shepard podcast.

Great.

One that we're exposing.

Right.

Across.

Promoting.

But, Well, let's talk about our podcast, too.

On on Dax Shepard.

Come up.

Come on.

But she, she interviewed on on that and, she will be interviewing Dave O'Neill at this event too.

So she is the head of McSweeney's press.

The editor, the manager there.

But I stumbled into her at, a literary event in Ann Arbor, with Gary Shteyngart.

Very.

There's a great story there, too, about actually could just be called, how Gary and Ben just stumbled around Ann Arbor and were oblivious at the art fair was going on at the same time, yet still managed to find excellent parking spots right in front of everywhere they wanted to go to, but anyway, we we hosted Amanda out of that, connected through that.

She's going to interview Dave on stage.

The book is about art history, and really art throughout our lives.

It follows two, young adults, kids and how, you know, one an artist and one kind of, artistic kind of force of nature and how they, evolve through their life.

It's about friendship and aging together.

And, so I've been, literary critic, too, for 20 years.

Published book reviews, all that.

Well, I was working with libraries, and you know, and I always, you know, reading reviews, I always kind of see the art behind the review.

And when sometimes it's forced or when it's kind of manufactured a little bit.

With this one, I've seen it positively.

What you hope for is you get a book that kind of inspires you and challenges even you as a critic or reviewer.

And you come up with these lines, you know, like almost like, where did that come from.

If I may ask, what makes, a responsible or good critic if you were to be able to create this in the lab?

But there is a critical method and a critical process, certainly with something like with, with something like this, I've seen it even once you have that those kind of rote elements down the structure that you've practiced through the years and you kind of know the benchmarks that you need to, you know, look at what they're currently working on, where it fits in with the larger kind of scope of the genre, perhaps, or where it kind of aligns with, with, with other authors or people that have where it fits in with that kind of collective body of work, but then also where it fits in with their own personal development as a writer, too.

But so, so with this, in the most beautiful way I've seen, lines from reviews and reviewing it as a kind of its own form of art too.

And there's certain more famous ones and others.

It's really, you know, from your Pauline Kael's and Anthony Lane's For Film and Things, but there's an art form behind it.

But I've seen with this, well, reading some of these too, just lines that pop where you're like, wow, this is this is going to be.

And from respected journalists to like Kirkus and Library Journal, who've I've had the honor for reviewing for two.

But they one of the lines was, what was it?

It's about friendship and what it means to know somebody, but also, on a more on a more, deeper level.

It it's about what it feels like to be known.

Sure.

And something we all aspire to.

Yeah, yeah.

And we need that.

We need.

But it's something to where I think it's rare.

Like, even in the most intensely kind of heavy kind of, relationship text, relational text.

You know, often it's around a drama or something like this, but as we see it evolve through the years, cleaner and messier and all that, this one kind of feels real.

Can I ask you both, and, mostly just so I can get Ben to stop talking it?

Yeah.

Yeah, the juxtaposition.

And again, I think I can say this.

Both.

We are both your friends of mine.

Ben is not that big of a word.

So it's a position.

Yeah.

You can.

You'll get it.

But you you both represent, culture and concepts that.

I don't want to say.

You're falling a disfavor by any means, but they're so critical to the fabric of the society that I think we all aspire to live in or aspire to recreate.

But there is a need to have things be sold, rear ends and seats.

And one of the things that's the most difficult is to educated the unwilling masses.

That me a little bit about how you introduced pop culture or popularity and potentially use that as a vector to introduce people into larger thematic items or things that, well, if you like this, you might like that.

That has to be a difficult charge.

You're introducing new people.

Young people.

I mean, young is obviously a broad term, but it is it is the charge that both of you have, dedicated a career and a lifetime to.

I look at it differently.

I feel like if we look at this as simply selling brussel sprouts, you know.

We don't already an approachable start.

Yeah.

We don't want to just, you know, say that this is this is a challenge to begin with and that everybody has to learn to love Brussels sprouts.

Brussels sprouts are very good.

I think there's something very different here.

Is that, coming out of the pandemic?

Yeah.

Just think back.

It's 2020 and all of the online shopping you did, all the stuff you brought to your house because you couldn't go out and do things.

So over the last six years, we've accumulated a lot of stuff.

Stuff.

Right?

Yes, sir.

Now we're selling that stuff.

We're giving it away.

Yeah.

And we're trying to replace that with experience.

Yeah.

So it's a really good time to be in the experience game I agree.

And so I think you know it's not so much to say if you like to a try B it's that all of this stuff brings you out of your place.

Yeah.

And exposes you to something that we're biologically wired to appreciate.

I love that and of course, you're you're using the word stuff.

That specifically, but as a vector to deliver that message.

But I want to push that back then maybe direct us to bend.

There is certainly a lot of stuff to consume out there.

Why are these things different?

And of course, I want to talk a little bit about where with the live arts, the season coming up, but why isn't this more stuff?

Well, kind of like I was saying with, with the typical kind of wrote review that you would read.

I mean, you can tell the difference between, well, I can think I was wearing a Shinola watch.

I was just thinking of an expression that involves that.

But, you can see the difference between.

I can't say that.

Yes, I signed the waiver.

Waivers, which I want to show, is that people are living it, you know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But, there's a difference and you kind of know it.

And between sugar and saccharin.

Right?

Yeah.

And when would that pure sweetness.

When you get it, it's like, this this Coke tastes different than this one with corn sirup.

Yeah, yeah.

The analog for me is, sitting down and reading a novel.

Is a great experience.

Yeah.

And we've all had the moment in our lives when we were surprised by where it took us, how much it transported us and how much it gave us agency to, to engage in fantasy and, and books do that music does that, performances do that.

These are great opportunities to appreciate the hard work that a composer or a dancer or writer has put into the world, and bring it into yours.

I'm talking with Zach.

Faster and Ben, Mel Chesky.

Zach, you've got, this event on June 11th with Dave Eggers is just one of many great opportunities people have to engage with art across northwest Ohio history.

What else do you guys have coming up?

So we're kind of ending the 25, 26 season right now.

So we have the event with Dave.

We have an event with, Ray angry, who's the, pianist for The Roots and The Tonight Show.

Be with the Jazz orchestra on the 13th.

Cool.

And then we have another author event with another Dave, David Ellis on the 11th of July.

And that will basically be the end of our, our 25, 26 season.

And then in September, we kick off 26, 27.

Yeah.

We're to take us right back into the peristyle and, 200 performances over 40 weeks.

I know we're a little late.

You announced, this, but do you mind talking a little bit about what people can be expecting from the next season?

It's pretty exciting.

Yeah.

So this is the first season that we've really designed under the idea of Live Arts Toledo.

Yeah.

So, you know, we've been we were Tampa for a couple of years.

We were the symphony in the ballet.

But now we're really trying to think of this on a much wider basis as to what we can, what we can bring.

You originally GCB, I. I'm sorry TCP.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean I've worked with the parent company.

Yeah.

But you know what.

I found out.

Yeah, it wasn't yogurt.

So it's, you know, kidding me.

Yeah, yeah.

Anyway, there's no God.

So.

Please, you're kicking right at the table.

Yeah.

That's right.

My love.

It's my skin.

Go ahead.

So, we have we have a great set of performances, some of them very collaborative between the different art forms.

And, you know, we'll be will be presenting a lot of things that are new to Toledo that we've never been able to do before.

This one.

Alpine Symphony by Ricard Strauss.

It's a 45 minute piece that goes to the top of the Alps and then all the way back down.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

And, you spent a lot of time in nature, I understand.

In your day job.

Yes.

So I just, you know, I just get to deal with angry people in my computer, but I. But at one.

Time.

So just imagine that they wrote a symphony about that.

Yeah.

All the.

Angry people in your in.

This.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's a piece that the symphony has never performed because it's frankly just too big.

Yeah.

And that is one of the later things we'll do in the season.

We'll finish things up with Verdi's Requiem, which is a piece we haven't performed in a very long time.

And we have a wonderful violinist called Joshua Bell who is coming back to Toledo for the first time in about 15 years.

Oh, cool.

And it just reminds us that, you know, whatever you think about our community, the world has this on their radar.

Absolutely.

What is the spring ballet?

The spring ballet will be Don Quixote, another great, narrative fiction story.

And, that's another great opportunity for the symphony.

And the ballet to collaborate and will be reprising winter works with a lot of new choreographers.

That's the jazz and the and the dance and the classical all in one room.

Jazz orchestra has, maybe the most famous piece of music that we all know, but we don't know is, performed by a guy named Wayne Bergeron.

It is the jeopardy theme.

Oh, nice.

Final jeopardy music.

But besides that, he's done the music to, to a bunch of Pixar movies and Disney movies.

He is the lead trumpet in the world and hits all the high notes.

So he'll be with the jazz orchestra.

Wonderful singer.

Joe Nelson will be kind of bringing out the American songbook.

So I'm very excited.

It's coming season.

Absolutely.

I learned something new.

I didn't realize the jeopardy theme was played on a trumpet.

It's actually a cornet.

Okay, you can go look up the difference.

By going to Gretchen.

But.

I'm going to put you on the spot.

The title of Dave's book is contrapposto.

Yes.

Do you have anything to share with us about that?

Well, I know.

What is the opposite of pasta, right?

Yes.

Yeah, it's country pasta.

It's a I remember this from my art history class.

It's a it's an Italian word that that describes a stance which is basically putting it used in sculpture often, but it's putting all of your weight sort of on one leg people.

Audience may be able to picture the David statue by Michelangelo and it's it's you use that word to juxtaposition between on one leg, but also ready to move forward.

Yes, you can see it as also less weight.

Yes, on a weak leg.

So it's the balance.

It can go both ways.

Kind of too.

You can.

It's the balance.

And that's kind of I think kind of the one of the themes, the metaphor is that we.

Thank you for making them seem smart.

For once.

Yeah.

And that and that statue is housed at the gene Krantz, airport.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's right.

Zach.

BMO.

Chesky.

Thank you so much.

People want more information on the Dave Eggers event.

We're going to totally dotcom Live Arts toledo.com.

Thank you so much.

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Just wrapped up a conversation with Zach faster than Mel Chesky.

Dave Eggers coming to town.

As we wrap up this Tuesday edition of the 419.

There's a lot of great events coming in the summer.

Many things to do.

Amazing.

First, you go out to Copper Press and White House.

You get some coffee, you get a burrito up on carbs.

June 11th is the, Dave Eggers event at, The Peristyle Live Arts Toledo, then June 12th movie night here at Wjct July 31st is wow is about another movie night at Wildwood.

August 10th, Daniel Tiger at the Toledo Zoo.

It's just there's a lot, a lot of cool stuff going on for the summer with kids, families can be great.

We were before we started this segment.

I did mention, to my two buddies that I would go to or take my kids to.

Almost everything was.

Yeah, totally.

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