>>> SCHOOL KIDS VACCINES, THE NEXT COVID POLITICAL FIGHT.

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>>>   JOIN US ON "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD" THIS WEEKEND.

DARREL ROWLAND, EDITOR THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH, TERRY CASEY, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST AND JOSEPH MAS OF THE OHIO HISPANIC COALITION.

WANTS TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING WHEN FEDERAL AGENCIES APPROVE THE COVID-19 VACCINES FOR YOUNGER CHILDREN.

5 TO 11 COULD COME IN NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.

STATE WORKING WITH PEDIATRICIANS AND CHILDREN'S HOSPITALS TO COME UP WITH A PLAN.

BIDEN ADMINISTRATION EXPECTS KIDS TO GET SHOTS AT DOCTORS OFFICES, PHARMACIES AND SCHOOL-BASED HEALTH CLINICS.

DARREL, DO YOU ANTICIPATE ACCEPTANCE OF THESE TO BE MORE OR LESS CONTROVERSIAL THAN THE ADULT ROLLOUT?

>> I THINK SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHILDREN HERE, OUR CHILDREN, OUR GRANDCHILDREN IN SOME CASES, PROBABLY EVEN MORE CONTROVERSIAL.

AND THAT'S DESPITE ABOUT 28 MILLION CHILDREN AGED 5 TO 11 IN THIS COUNTRY, JUST HAD -- ON THE SHOW HERE, PFIZER TOLD THE FDA THE VACCINE WAS ALMOST 91% EFFECTIVE IN THESE KIDS, AND THIS GOES BEFORE THE CDC NOVEMBER 2nd AND 3rd.

SO TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AWAY FROM THIS OFFERED.

IN COLUMBUS, DRIVERS, START YOUR ENGINES TIME.

PRIMED TO GET THE VACCINE OUT BUT WILL THE PARENTS BE WILLING TO TAKE THEIR KIDS?

WE ALL KNOW THERE'S SOME WILL RUSH RIGHT AWAY, GET THAT VACCINE, IT'S ABOUT TIME, WANT MY KIDS TO BE SAFER AT SCHOOL OR WHEREVER THEY ARE.

OTHERS, NO, I HAVE QUESTIONS, DON'T WANT THEM PUTTING ANYTHING INTO MY KID'S ARM.

HOW IT SHAKES DOWN WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE.

>> TERRY CASEY WILL SAY I GOT THE VACCINE BUT I'M OLDER, COULD SEE THEM BEING MORE HESITANT WITH CHILDREN, EVEN THOUGH WE CAN ASSUME THAT THE FDA AND CDC HAVE TESTS AND WILL BE DEEMED SAFE LIKE THE OTHER VACCINES WERE.

>> THERE'S AN ADDED COMPLICATION WITH CHILDREN COMPARED TO ADULTS GETTING YOUR VACCINE, YOU JUST CAN'T GO AROUND AND PUT SHOTS IN ARMS OF KIDS WITHOUT WRITTEN, SIGNED AND ADVANCED AUTHORIZATION BY THE PARENTS.

THAT HAPPENS TO BE THE LAW AND PARENTS NORMALLY WANT TO SEE THE ONE PAGE OR SO WARNING SHEET OF ALL THE THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN.

LEGAL COMPLICATIONS AND AS "NEW YORK TIMES" NOTED IN THE ARTICLE YOU SENT OUT, INOCULATING CHILDREN IS A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING BECAUSE AS THEY SAID, SOMETIMES LITTLE KIDS SEE NEEDLES AND CRY.

SO ROLLING THIS OUT IS NOT GOING TO BE AS SIMPLE AND EASY AS WE WOULD LIKE BECAUSE OF THAT REQUIRED PARENTAL SIGNING AND AUTHORIZATION.

>> DO YOU SEE SCHOOLS MANDATING VACCINES?

NOT JUST SCHOOLS BUT CHILDREN'S DAY CARE OR PLACE KIDS GO TO SEE A SHOW, DO YOU SEE THEM MANDATING VACCINES?

>> I DO, AND YOU KNOW WHY?

THAT'S THE WORK-AROUND TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT TERRY WAS TALKING ABOUT, HAVE THE PARENTS WILLINGLY TAKE THE KIDS DOWN AND SIGN WHATEVER PAPERS THEY NEED TO SIGN AND SO ON.

ALSO MENTIONED IN THE INTRODUCTION ABOUT CLINICS, SCHOOL CLINICS OFFERING THE SHOTS.

THAT IS A POSSIBILITY, PARTICULARLY IN RURAL COUNTIES WHERE OTHER HEALTH FACILITIES MAY NOT BE EASY TO COME ACROSS.

HOWEVER I THINK THAT THE ACTUAL TARGET, THE WAY TO GET THIS THING DONE IS THROUGH MANDATES AND THEN SEE HOW THE PARENTS REACT.

>> WE'RE ALREADY SEEING SCHOOL BOARD FIGHTS OVER MASKS AND CRITICAL RACE THEORY, NOT RELATED TO COVID.

BUT CAN SEE SOME PARENTS NOT WANTING ANY SHOTS GIVEN OUT IN MY KID'S SCHOOL.

IT'S NOT SCHOOL'S PLACE TO ADMINISTER MEDICINE.

>> I KNOW.

AND OF COURSE, WE HERE IN OHIO LIKE MANY STATES BEFORE YOU EVEN START SCHOOL YOU HAVE TO HAVE KIDS BE VACCINATED.

THERE'S SOME EXEMPTIONS BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME BEFORE YOU GO TO SCHOOL AND OTHERS BEFORE YOU GO TO COLLEGE.

BUT THERE'S EXTRA HEAT AND STIGMA PLACED ON THE COVID VACCINES FOR WHATEVER REASON.

IT'S GOING TO BE PAINFUL PROCESS.

ENOUGH KIDS GET VACCINATED AND THE INFECTION RATE GOES DOWN, SEEN FOR HOW MANY WEEKS NOW WHO IS GOING INTO HOSPITAL IS YOUNGER KIDS, NOT YOUNGEST BUT THEY'RE VULNERABLE NOW.

BUT IF INFECTION RATE STARTS GOING DOWN, OTHER FOLKS THAT ARE SKEPTICAL WILL SAY IT'S WORKING AND EFFECTIVE.

AND YOU KNOW, I'LL SEND MY KID DOWN.

>> EXPECT THE APPROVAL TO COME PERHAPS IN FIRST WEEK OF NOVEMBER.

>>> OHIO'S REDISTRICTING REMAINS IN LIMBO, MEMBERS OF THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ARE BEING QUESTIONED FOR LAWYERS BY GROUP SUING OVER THE STATE LEGISLATIVE MAPS.

MATT HUFFMAN SAYS THE LEGAL FIGHT IS PART OF THE REASON IT'S NOT RELEASED A PROPOSED MAP OF CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS.

HAS UNTIL THE END OF THIS MONTH OR IT GOES BACK TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

TERRY CASEY, WHAT IS IS GOING ON HERE?

KICK IT BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE GAME PLAN?

QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LAWSUIT?

>> BET WITH 100% CERTAINTY IT'S GOING TO THE LEGISLATURE IN NOVEMBER.

WHEN THEY GET A SECOND CHANCE AT IT, IT TAKES A LOT OF NUMBER OF VOTES OF DEMOCRATS IN ORDER TO PASS A PLAN AND ACHIEVE THE TEN-YEAR THING.

I THINK IT WILL GO BACK AND MACHINATIONS AND LITIGATION SLOWED IT DOWN.

PLUS IDEALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE WITHOUT COVID TO HAVE HAD THE DATA BACK IN THE SPRING WHEN YOU HAD MORE TIME TO WORK WITH THE NUMBERS, DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, TO COME TOGETHER.

ALMOST CERTAINLY GOING TO BE IT, NOT ANYTHING OUT OF THE COMMISSION IN OCTOBER.

>> DO YOU SEE ANY DEMOCRATS SIGNING ON TO CONGRESSIONAL MAP AS SKEWED AS THE STATE LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT MAPS WERE?

>> NO.

AND YOU KNOW IT'S INTERESTING, BECAUSE EVERY TIME THIS TOPIC HAS COME UP IN PREVIOUS PANELS, CONSENSUS HAS BEEN THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, GO BACK TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND GO FOR SHORT-TERM SOLUTION RATHER THAN DO THE RIGHT THING AND TALKING ABOUT BOTH PARTIES.

ALSO WANT TO REMIND THE PANEL THAT AT ONE TIME, THE FIRST OFFER ON THE PART OF THE DEMOCRATS ON THE COMMISSION DID GIVE A FAVORABLE TREATMENT TO REPUBLICANS, 55/45 SPLIT BUT APPARENTLY THAT'S NOT ENOUGH.

WE FIND OURSELVES BASICALLY WATCHING IT HAPPEN JUST AS WE KNEW IT WOULD.

>> DARREL, DO YOU THINK MAP MAKERS -- DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN -- HAVE TO DO TO WIN DEMOCRATIC SUPPORT TO MAKE THIS LAST TEN YEARS AND NOT JUST FOUR?

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW -- RIGHT NOW IT'S 12-4, THAT'S 75/25 PERCENT SPLIT IN MEMBERS OF CONGRESS FOR THE DISTRICTS.

I WOULD THINK DEMOCRATS WOULD WANT AT LEAST FIVE DISTRICTS OUT OF THAT TO PRESERVE IF NOT MINORITY MAJORITY A SIGNIFICANT MINORITY PRESENCE DISTRICTS IN CLEVELAND AND COLUMBUS, BUT I DON'T THINK REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO GIVE IT TO THEM.

THEY'RE IN THE POSITION WHERE WE KIND OF DON'T HAVE TO.

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO PRESIDENT HUFFMAN, A LAWSUIT SO CAN'T CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME OR WHATEVER, IT'S NOT LIKE ATTORNEYS ARE MAKING THE MAPS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

ALMOST ANY OTHER BOARD IN THE STATE HAS CONDEMNED THIS PROCESS.

NOT BECAUSE THEY NECESSARILY LOVE THE DEMOCRATS AND HATE MAJORITY REPUBLICANS BUT BECAUSE OHIO VOTERS THOUGHT THESE MACHINATIONS WERE OVER WITH.

BUT AS A WHOLE WE ALL VOTED FOR -- HUGE PERCENTAGES VOTED FOR REFORMS, AND TO REFLECT MORE SO WHAT OUR GENERAL POLITICAL IS, RATHER THAN JUST ONE SIDE, "D" OR "R." >> FOUR-YEAR MAP, THAT'S A LIFETIME IN TODAY'S POLITICS.

>> YOU CAN CALL IT PENALTY OR INCENTIVE.

ONE OF THE THINGS TO WATCH FOR IF RUMORS ARE CORRECT, IF THERE'S AKRON CENTRAL CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT CREATED THAT SIKES FAMILY WITH TWO SEATS ON THE COMMISSION WOULD BE CREATED SO MINORITY LEADER COULD RUN FOR THE SEAT.

AND CLEVELAND IS SHRUNK UP, LOT OF THINGS CAN PLAY OUT.

ALWAYS IN CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS THERE'S A LOT OF LEGISLATORS WHO DESIRE AND MIGHT WANT TO BE A MEMBER OF CONGRESS.

THERE'S A LOT OF BEHIND THE SCENES WHEELING AND DEALING THAT WILL HAPPEN.

>> HORSE TRADING.

AND HANDFUL OF DEMOCRATS CAN SIGN ON TO MAKE IT LAST TEN YEARS.

>> I DON'T SEE THE -- AGAIN DON'T SEE THE TEN-YEAR OPTION.

I HAVE TO COMPLIMENT TERRY ON HIS SINISTER PROJECTION OF WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN.

THE DISTRICT -- NOTHING AGAINST THE SIKES FAMILY BUT HOPE WE DON'T SEE SOMETHING AS OBVIOUS AS THAT.

NEVERTHELESS, LOOK, YEAH, THE DEMOCRATS CAN'T SIGN ON IT IT THE WAY THAT IT APPEARS TO BE GOING RIGHT NOW.

>> OKAY.

MIGHT BE A SMOKING GUN OR AT LEAST SMOLDERING, CLEVELAND PLAIN DEALER PUBLISHED TEXT MESSAGES OF FORMER FIRST ENERGY EXECUTIVE INDICATING THAT THEN CHAIR SAM RANDAZZO, FIRST ENERGY CEO CHUCK JONES SAYS RANDAZZO OVERRODE MEASURES THAT BENEFITTED FIRST ENERGY AND THERE'S A LOT OF TALK WHETHER HE WENT FOR THE AGENCY OR FIRST ENERGY.

NO CHARGES IN THE SCANDAL BUT FBI RAIDED HIS HOME.

PUT YOUR ATTORNEY'S HAT ON JOE MAS.

NOT BEEN CHARGED BUT DOES THIS LEAD TO CHARGES, THIS TEXT MESSAGE CHAIN?

>> I DO, THE EMAILS I READ, THERE MAY BE OTHERS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE THINKING, PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN WRITING IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT WHERE EMAILS HAVE LIFE OF THEIR OWN, GET IN THE STRATOSPHERE AND REMAIN FOREVER.

BUT TEXTS APPEAR CLEAR, BE CAREFUL, RANDAZZO IS PUTTING THE KIBOSH ON THE REPORT AND AT THE SAME TIME OVERRULING STAFF MEMBERS AND COMMISSIONERS.

IT'S THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE.

YEAH.

IN MY OPINION, I THINK THIS THING IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND AND FURTHER CRIMINAL INDICTMENTS ARE LIKELY.

>> RANDAZZO WAS NOT PART OF THE TEXT THREAD, JUST THE EXECUTIVES WITH FIRST ENERGY.

WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HIS SIDE OF THE STORY YET, DARREL.

WILL THEY HEAR HIS SIDE OF THE STORY?

ANY TALK FROM PROSECUTORS OF FILING CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST HIM?

HE'S RESIGNED FROM THE PUCO.

HOME WAS RAIDED BY THE FBI.

>> YOU KNOW, FEDERAL PROSECUTORS ARE NOT MOST LOQUACIOUS FOLKS ON PENDING CASES, SO DON'T REALLY HAVE INSIDE KNOWLEDGE.

FOR MYSELF, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I AM NOT ATTORNEY, DON'T EVEN PLAY ONE HERE ON YOUR SHOW BUT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD, THINGS ARE LAID OUT CLEARLY THAT MR. RANDAZZO WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED ON PART OF FIRST ENERGY WHEN HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A REFEREE IF YOU WILL FOR ALL OHIO'S UTILITY INTERESTS.

AND JUST HOW FAR WILL THIS EXPAND, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

THIS IS THE CLOSEST INVOLVEMENT YOU'RE GOING TO GET FROM THE CURRENT GOVERNOR MIKE DeWINE.

SAID HE KNEW NOTHING OF THE CONNECTIONS BUT MORE AND MORE COMES OUT, SO FAR DeWINE HAS STOOD BEHIND MR. RANDAZZO AS FAR AS WE DIDN'T KNOW THINGS AND STILL A GOOD GUY.

COULD SPLASH AGAINST HIM WITH ELECTION AROUND THE CORNER.

>> OUTSIDE OF THE CAPITOL SQUARE POLITICAL SITES, IT'S NOT RESONATING A LOT.

BUT WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO CATCH ON OR WILL IT CATCH ON AS MAJOR ISSUE IN UPCOMING CAMPAIGN?

>> COMPLICATIONS FROM THE DEMOCRATS IN THE NEW SPEAKER, HALF THE VOTES HE GOT CAME FROM DEMOCRATS.

DEMOCRATS CONTROL THINGS BUT GOT MUD AND BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS.

BIG PROBLEM IS FIRST ENERGY HAS ADMITTED SOMEWHAT THEY OFFERED OR PAID BRIBES OR EXCESSIVE MONEY.

SO FIRST ENERGY'S GOT SOME EXPLAINING TO DO, CLEARLY MR. RANDAZZO'S ATTORNEY IS GOING TO BE BUSY TRYING TO SPIN IT FROM HIS END LEGALLY.

TO BE DETERMINED.

WE'LL HEAR MORE LATER.

>> JOE MAS, SEEMS QUIET LATELY.

FEDERAL PROSECUTIONS TEND TO TAKE A LOT LONGER THAN STATE OR LOCAL PROSECUTIONS.

DO YOU THINK THERE ARE PLEA DEAL NEGOTIATIONS HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES?

>> LET'S NOT FORGET I THINK WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE WHO HAVE PLED ALREADY.

WHEN THAT HAPPENS, OFTEN IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S A SIDE DEAL CONCERNING SEPARATION.

AND ONE THING LEADS TO THE OTHER, AND IF DEFENSE WANT TO TALK TO YOU, I WANT TO BE FIRST IN LINE, PERSON FIRST IN LINE WILL LIKELY GET BEST DEAL.

AFTER THAT, YOU WAIT TOO LONG FOR THEM TO TALK TO YOU, BY THAT TIME, NOT LOOKING GOOD.

>> BACK TO THE PUCO, JOB IS REGULATE UTILITIES, BEYOND THIS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS TO FORMER CHAIRMAN RANDAZZO, CALLS TO REFORM THE CONSUMER COUNCIL FOR A CONSUMER TO BE SEATED ON THE PUCO?

WHAT CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE IN WAKE OF THIS SITUATION?

>> PUCO IS CHALLENGING MESS, HIGHLY TECHNICAL LEGALLY AND ENGINEERING-WISE COMPLEX.

JUST CAN'T PUT ANYBODY ON THERE TO UNDERSTAND QUITE ALL THE NUANCES OF THE ISSUE UNDER STATE LAW, FEDERAL LAW, ET CETERA.

YOU ALWAYS HAVE A TRADE-OFF, BETTER TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS BAD THINGS TO LOOK FOR, NAVIGATE SO IT'S NOT ABUSED OR SOMEBODY NEW TO THE FIELD WHO DOESN'T KNOW MUCH.

IT'S TOUGH WHENEVER YOU DO, BECAUSE IT'S A COMPLEX LEGAL AND ENGINEERING MESS.

>>> COLUMBUS VOTERS ARE SEEING UNUSUAL QUESTION ON THEIR BALLOTS THIS FALL, ISSUE SEVEN WOULD CREATE AN ENERGY CONSERVATION AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY FUND TO PROMOTE THOSE EFFORTS.

SET ASIDE NEARLY $90 MILLION IN CITY TAX MONEY TO SUPPORT CONSERVATION AND CLEAN ENERGY PROGRAMS.

BUT ONCE APPROVED, WOULD BE CONTROLLED NOT BY ELECTED OFFICIALS BUT BY A PRIVATE CORPORATION.

CITY OFFICIALS FIERCELY OPPOSE THIS, SAY WILL MEAN CUTS TO OTHER CITY SERVICES.

PROPONENTS -- WE DON'T KNOW, THEY'RE HARD TO FIND.

WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE GROUP BEHIND THE QUESTION?

>> THAT'S THE QUESTION OF THE HOUR FOR ISSUE SEVEN.

GROUP CALLED -- ENERGY LIABILITY CORPORATION.

SIMILAR DAMAGE IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS OUTSIDE OF OHIO.

FOR-PROFIT COMPANY, ONE OF THE ORGANIZERS FOR THE PETITION EFFORT ARE CURRENTLY FACING ELECTION LAW VIOLATION ALLEGATIONS, BEING UP ON CHARGES FOR CIVIL CHARGES FOR THAT.

YOU'RE RIGHT, DETAILS ARE VERY HAZY THERE.

WE'RE TALKING $87 MILLION A YEAR, 10% TO 11% OF CITY'S OPERATING GENERAL FUND REVENUE.

WHAT THE OPPONENTS SEE, YEAR 2021, THINGS LIKE GREEN ENERGY, CLEAN ENERGY, CONSERVATION, EFFICIENCY, ALL BUZZ WORDS AND VERY POSITIVE IN CITY LIKE COLUMBUS, MORE LIBERAL THAN SOME OTHERS.

BUT THE OPPONENTS UNANIMOUSLY AGREE THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLEAN ENERGY OR ANY OF THAT.

THIS IS ABOUT HANDING THIS MONEY TO THIS FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION AND BASICALLY THEY DECIDE HOW TO AND ARE ALLOWED TO SKIM OFF "X" PERCENT IN TERMS OF OPERATING REVENUE.

OPPONENTS, I SAY OPPONENTS, IT'S DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, CITY AND CIVIC OFFICIALS, BUSINESS INTERESTS AND ENVIRONMENT INTERESTS, VERY BROAD COALITION OPPOSING THIS.

>> SO HOW DID IT GET ON THE BALLOT?

WEBSITE TO THIS GROUP IS NOT RUNNING, FACEBOOK PAGE IS PRETTY SPARSE.

LOOKING FOR HEADLINE ON THE BALLOT, I'M FOR ENERGY CONSERVATION, I'LL VOTE YES ON THIS.

>> I HAVE NO IDEA, APPARENTLY THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON ISSUES LIKE THIS SINCE 2013 AND 2014 AGAIN.

EXCEPT YOU CAN'T TALK TO ANYBODY, CAN'T FIND WHO IN THE WORLD MIGHT BE BEHIND IT.

AND USUALLY IF YOU HAVE AN INITIATIVE THAT HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, THESE SUBJECTS, YOU HAVE ACTIVISTS GOING OUT TO TALK TO AGENCIES AND CAN'T WAIT TO TALK TO THE MEDIA.

THIS IS OTHER WAY AROUND.

I THINK DARREL IS RIGHT THIS IS A MANAGEMENT SCHEME, "X" NUMBER OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ARE TAKEN FROM THE CITY AND PROPERTY TAXES WOULD PROBABLY INCREASE, PROBABLY.

THEN THE MONEY WILL BE USED TO PAY SOME UTILITY BILLS TO PEOPLE IN NEED AND THEN MANAGEMENT TEAM.

THAT'S WHAT IT'S BEGINNING TO LOOK LIKE.

>> SHOULD THE CITY BE PUTTING MONEY -- $87 MILLION A YEAR BUT INTO GREEN ENERGY?

>> I'LL BE MORE BLUNT.

THIS IS A SHELL GAME, A CON GAME.

I WISH THE MAYOR'S TV AD WAS MORE BLUNT AND CLEAR WHAT A FRAUD THIS IS.

TO SIPHON OFF THAT MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO UNKNOWN GROUP WITH NO ACCOUNTABILITY IS BASICALLY CRIMINAL FRAUD.

HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WAKE UP IN THE LAST WEEK AND AREN'T FOOLED BY THE TITLE "CLEAN ENERGY" AND REALIZE WHAT A SHELL GAME IT IS.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>>> IF YOU'RE TIRED OF THE RED AND WHITE OHIO LICENSE PLATE THAT LOOKS TO US LIKE THE BACK OF AN ENVELOPE, SOON HAVE CHANCE FOR NEW DESIGN.

GOVERNOR DeWINE UNVEILED THE LATEST DESIGN OF THE OHIO LICENSE PLATE.

PASTORAL SETTING, WHEAT FIELD, SUNNY STATE EMBLEM, A SKYLINE OF SOME SORT, A RIVER, SOME HILLS, A TREE, A LITTLE GIRL, A DOG AND THE WRIGHT BROTHERS, LEGALLY MANDATED SLOGAN -- BIRTHPLACE OF OHIO.

AND AT FIRST THE PLATE HAD THE WRIGHT BROTHERS FLYING THE PLANE IN REVERSE BUT TURNED IT AROUND.

TERRY, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN VAN GOGH AND MONET, THIS IS NEITHER ONE OF THEM.

BUT IT IS PRETTY IN MY OPINION.

MY WORRY WAS DOES IT INTERFERE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT OR ON TOLL ROADS DOES IT WORK AND CALLED THE DIRECTOR OF THE TURNPIKE, ASSURED ME THE OPTICAL READERS COULD READ THIS OKAY.

IT'S INTERESTING ART QUESTION, I DON'T THINK WILL WIN A PRIZE WITH HALF MILLION DOLLARS SELLING THIS ARTWORK BUT IT'S INTERESTING, GIVES US PRIDE IN OHIO BUT WE'LL LET THE REAL ART CRITICS DECIDE HOW GOOD IT IS.

>> THAT'S WHY IT'S A WHEAT FIELD AND NOT CORN OR SOYBEAN FIELD WHICH ARE MORE IN OHIO BECAUSE IT HELPS THE LETTERS STAND OUT?

IS THAT YOUR ANALYSIS OF THIS FINE PIECE OF WORK?

>> YEAH, BUT DON'T WANT TOO MUCH BLUE AND GOLD HERE FOR OHIO STATE FANS, THINKING ABOUT ANOTHER STATE AND THEIR LICENSE PLATES MAYBE.

YEAH.

BICENTENNIAL PLATE, ONE THAT WAS -- CASEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT, GOT A IN ONE.

LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THAT.

LOTS OF LETTERS AND EVEN HARD TO READ.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF BUSY, LOT OF ELEMENTS IN IT, BUT DOES HAVE SOME DESIGN TO IT.

I THINK IT'S KIND OF DISTINCTIVE.

WE'LL SEE IF PEOPLE GO FOR IT.

>> IT'S SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT FRANCIS STRICKLAND PICKED OUT ALL THOSE YEARS AGO, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN SUE FOR COPYRIGHT ENFRINGEMENT.

BUT DOG, GIRL, SKYLINE, TREES, COMMITTEE.

NO CORN, FOOTBALL, FACTORIES.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I LIKE IT.

BY THE WAY AS ONE MANNER OF THE PANEL WHO WORKED FOR AEROSPACE COMPANY FOR MANY YEARS, I HAVE TO POINT OUT TO VIEWERS THAT WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT THE WRIGHT FLYER HAD THE ELEVATOR IN THE FRONT RATHER THAN THE BACK LIKE THE AIRPLANES TODAY.

THAT'S THE REASON THE ARTIST ORIGINALLY FLIPPED IT AROUND.

THAT'S WHAT -- IT'S GREAT SOMEBODY PICKED THAT OUT.

A LOT OF FUN.

AND I PLAN TO GET ONE OF THOSE FOR MY NEW RV.

>> RUNNING OUT OF TIME, OFF THE RECORD PARTING SHOTS.

JOE MAS YOU'RE FIRST.

>> TERRY CASEY AND I HAVE BEEN EACH OTHER'S LOYAL OPPOSITION FOR MANY YEARS NOW BUT ONE THING WE DO AGREE ON, OUR SUPPORT FOR THE MEMBERSHIP DRIVE.

LOOK UP WOSU.ORG ON YOUR COMPUTER AND GIVE GENEROUSLY TO YOUR RELIABLE SOURCE OF NEWS PROGRAMMING.

>> WE DIDN'T ASK JOE TO SAY THAT, FOR THE RECORD.

>> I AGREE WITH JOE, ON SAD NOTE, COLUMBUS IS ON TRACK TO BE AT AROUND OR OVER 200 MURDERS FOR THE YEAR.

PREVIOUS TO 2020, COLUMBUS AVERAGED 106 MURDERS PER YEAR.

BY END OF THIS YEAR, ALMOST 200 MURDERERS OR OVER, WHICH IS VERY SAD FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND HOPEFULLY CITY HALL WILL WAKE UP INSTEAD OF TAKING SO LONG TO DISCOVER GANGS ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

>> QUICK POINT OF FACT, TEN SECONDS.

>> YES.

FIRST TIME IN AMERICAN HISTORY, MINORITIES OF THE -- I WROTE ABOUT IT.

>> CHECK THAT OUT.

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