>> FUNDING FOR NEW MEXICO IN FOCUS PROVIDED BY THE MCCUNE  CHARITABLE FOUNDATION AND VIEWERS LIKE YOU.

>> Gene: THIS WEEK ON NEW MEXICO IN FOCUS, THE NATION'S  HARD LOOK AT NATIVE BOARDING SCHOOLS.

AND, THE LONG ROAD AHEAD.

>> Charley: THIS WAS A  PRACTICE OF GENOCIDE AND IT IS TIME FOR THE COUNTRY TO RECKON  WITH THAT.

THERE ARE WAYS IN WHICH NEW  MEXICO CAN GRAPPLE THE ISSUE.

>> Gene: AND WHAT IS AHEAD FOR  THE STATE IS MASKS MAKE A RETURN IN SCHOOLS AND BEYOND.

NEW MEXICO IN FOCUS STARTS NOW.

THANKS FOR JOINING US THIS WEEK.

I AM YOUR HOST GENE GRANT.

NATIVE COMMUNITIES HAVE  WATCHED CLOSELY INTERIOR SECRETARY DEB HAALAND'S  ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THE U.S. WILL EXAMINE ITS UGLY PAST  WITH THE FORCED EDUCATION OF NATIVE CHILDREN IN BOARDING  SCHOOLS.

WE'LL TAKE A DEEP DIVE WITH A  LOCAL PANEL AND LOOK AT A RECENT NEWS HOUR INTERVIEW  WITH SECRETARY HAALAND.

WE'LL ALSO LOOK AT WHAT IS  BEHIND ENCOURAGING NEWS FROM UNM'S MEDICAL SCHOOL WHERE  MORE FAMILY PRACTICE RESIDENTS ARE STAYING IN NEW MEXICO.

THE LINE OPINION PANEL TAKES UP THE PROPOSAL FOR A NEW  SOCCER STADIUM TOO.

WE BEGIN WITH THE RESURGENCE  OF COVID-19 AMONG THE UNVACCINATED AND PROMISE OF  MORE MASKS.

HERE IS THE LINE.

FEELINGS OF OPTIMISM WE MIGHT HAVE HAD THIS SUMMER ABOUT A  RETURN TO SOMETHING APPROACHING PRE-PANDEMIC  NORMALCY HAVE TAKEN A HIT IN  RECENT WEEKS.

FIRST, THE NEW SCHOOL YEAR  WON'T BE ENTIRELY FREE OF MASKS OR PRECAUTIONS.

SECOND, THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION  HAVE REISSUED RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MASKS EVEN AMONG  VACCINATED PEOPLE.

THAT AS THE ULTRA CONTAGIOUS  DELTA VARIANT MAKES A RESURGENCE.

TO PARSE OUT WHAT IT MEANS AND WHAT IT MIGHT BE AHEAD IS OUR  LINE OPINION PANEL.

FORMER STATE SENATOR DEDE  FELDMAN JOINS US THIS WEEK, AS ONE OF OUR LINE REGULARS AS  DOES FORMER MINORITY WHIP DANIEL FOLEY.

GLAD TO HAVE HIM BACK.

AND FOUNDER OF SIARZA SOCIAL  DIGITAL, KRISTELLE SIARZA.

SHE IS OUR GUEST THIS WEEK.

NOW DEDE, CDC'S RECOMMENDATION WHICH THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO  IS FOLLOWING IS FOR PLACES WITH RISING TRANSMISSION AND  INFECTIONS.

THAT IS SOME BUT NOT ALL OF  NEW MEXICO AS WE KNOW.

AREN'T THESE THE SAME PLACES  THAT HAVE BEEN RESISTANT TO MASKS THAT WE ARE SEEING THIS  RISE?

>> Dede: YES, THEY ARE.

EDDY COUNTY IN PARTICULAR HAS BEEN RESISTANT TO MASKS.

BUT, I LISTENED TO DR. SCRASE YESTERDAY IN HIS NEWS  CONFERENCE AND HE SAID THAT NEW MEXICO WOULD BE FOLLOWING  THE CDC GUIDELINES WHICH REQUIRE MASKS OR WHICH SUGGEST  MASKS IN AREAS OF HIGH TRANSMISSION ESPECIALLY DUE TO  THE DELTA VARIANT AND IN NEW MEXICO HE SAID HE WOULD  RECOMMEND THAT ALTHOUGH YOU CAN SEE THOSE CERTAIN  COUNTIES, HE RECOMMENDED EVERYONE BE WEARING A MASK  VACCINATED OR UNVACCINATED BECAUSE THE TRANSMISSION OF  THE DELTA VARIETY IS SO SEVERE AND OUR CASES ARE SPIKING BACK  TO EVEN A LEVEL THAT EXISTED BACK IN MARCH.

HE RECOMMENDS THAT EVERYBODY, OF COURSE, GET VACCINATED AND  THIS IS AN EPIDEMIC OF THE UNVACCINATED.

THAT IS WHO IS GETTING SICK BUT EVEN RECOMMENDATION FOR  THE WHOLE STATE NOT JUST SPECIFIC COUNTIES.

>> Gene: GOOD POINTS THERE.

DANIEL, I HAVE GOT TO ASK YOU.

PLACES LIKE CARLSBAD, HOBBS, ROSWELL, I MEAN, YOU'RE DOWN  THERE.

YOU KNOW THESE FOLKS.

IS THIS MASK RECOMMENDATION GOING TO GET ANYWHERE OR WHAT  IS THE WAY TO GET IT?

>> Dan: FIRST OF ALL, I AM  VACCINATED.

I GOT VACCINATED -- I HAD  COVID-19 AND I GOT VACCINATED.

NOT GOT VACCINATED AND HAD  COVID.

I THINK THE WHOLE THING FROM  THE GET-GO HAS BEEN A PUBLIC RELATIONS DISASTER ACROSS THE  COUNTRY FROM THE GET-GO.

WE ARE JUST -- YOU ARE TALKING  TO PEOPLE -- YOU HAVE GOT TO LOOK AT PEOPLE -- WHEN YOU  TALK ABOUT CHAVES COUNTY, LEA COUNTY, OTERO COUNTY, THEY  ALREADY HAVE A SENSE OF DISTRUST OF THE GOVERNMENT IN  THE FIRST PLACE.

RIGHT WRONG OR INDIFFERENT  THEY HAVE IT.

SO, WHEN YOU START GIVING THEM  ANYTHING TO FEED THE SEEDS OF DOUBT, YOU'RE GOING TO GET  WHAT YOU'RE GETTING NOW.

WHEN YOU'RE HAVING THE WHOLE,  YOU KNOW, LOOK, NOBODY IS GOING TO GET IT IF YOU GET  VACCINATED TO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT TO MAYBE YOU'RE  GOING TO GET IT, TO JUST EVEN YESTERDAY YOU HAD CDC DIRECTOR  SAYING, THERE IS A ONE IN 10 CHANCE IF YOU HAVE THE VACCINE  THAT YOU WILL GET THE DISEASE.

WELL, THAT IS NOT WHAT THE  NUMBERS SAY.

THE NUMBERS SAY IT IS ONE OUT  OF 1000.

SO, I MEAN, THERE IS JUST ALL  THIS STUFF THAT SO MANY PEOPLE -- AGAIN, I AM NOT  BLAMING ANY ONE PARTY.

I THINK THERE IS EQUAL BLAME  ACROSS THE BOARD.

TO QUOTE RAHM EMANUEL,  NEVER LET A CRISIS GO TO WASTE.

I THINK EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN POLITICS SAW THIS CRISIS AND  SEIZED AN OPPORTUNITY AND I THINK NOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE,  AN OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF THEM, ARE ABSOLUTELY  OVERWHELMED AND NOT SURE WHAT TO DO AND YOU START TALKING  ABOUT FOLKS IN SOUTHEASTERN NEW MEXICO THAT ARE ALREADY  ABOUT INDEPENDENCE, LEAVE THEM ALONE, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO  BUY INTO IT.

>> Gene: GOOD POINTS THERE.

BUT KRISTELLE THIS IS A MATTER OF FAIRNESS ISN'T IT?

WE ALL HAVE THE CHOICE TO DO OR NOT DO ANYTHING WE WANT.

BUT THIS IS AN ISSUE OF FAIRNESS.

YOU'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF PERSUASION.

HOW DO WE PERSUADE PEOPLE THAT MASKING UP IS GOING TO BE GOOD  FOR THEM AS WELL AS EVERYBODY ELSE?

>> Kristelle: AND THINK IT IS KIND OF FUNNY AND I SAY THIS  VERY SARCASTICALLY AND WITH LOVE TO DAN FOLEY BUT IT IS  NICE TO KNOW THAT YOUR PUBLIC RELATIONS PRACTICE (INAUDIBLE)  AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE SUBJECT OF FAIRNESS,  YEAH, I THINK THAT THE BIGGEST LESSON WE HAVE ALL LEARNED  FROM THIS IS THAT WE ARE AT THE MERCY OF SCIENCE AT THIS  POINT.

NO PUBLIC RELATIONS  PRACTITIONER CAN TAKE THIS PLAN WHEN SOMETHING UNEXPECTED  LIKE THIS DATA AND RESEARCH IS STILL COMING OUT ABOUT THE  SCIENCE OF THE VIRUS.

SO, OF COURSE, IT PUTS US IN A  POSITION WHERE, AS OFTEN HAPPENS, THAT ONE PERSON, ONE  PERSON THAT MIGHT GET COVID-19 RUINS IT FOR THE REST OF THE  HERD, RIGHT?

THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW.

EVEN SEEING REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS GOING BACK ON THEIR  THOUGHTS ABOUT THE VACCINE ITSELF SAYING THAT THE VACCINE  SHOULD BE INOCULATED IN EVERYBODY'S ARMS AND EVERYBODY  SHOULD GET THE VACCINE.

WE ARE AT THE POINT NOW WHERE  IF THE CDC PUT IN A RECOMMENDATION A YEAR AGO, WE  DIDN'T TRUST IT.

NOW WE ARE AT THE POINT OF THE  CDC IS PUTTING THE RECOMMENDATION OUT AND AS MUCH  AS WE HATED IT, WE KNOW WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO  BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE ARE ALL TIRED OF THESE CHANGES,  THESE MASK MANDATES, ET CETERA, BUT WE KNOW, I THINK  NOW, OUR SOCIETY IS SO USED TO THE UNPREDICTABILITY AT THIS  POINT, NOT TO MENTION WE ARE ONE OF THE ONLY COUNTRIES THAT  IS ACTUALLY USED TO ACTUALLY LIFE NOW WITHOUT COVID-19 OR  WITH LESS OF COVID-19 IN THE GENERAL SPACES.

WATCHING THE OLYMPICS OVER THE LAST WEEK, NOT SEEING CROWDS  AND NOT SEEING PEOPLE PARTICIPATE, IT IS SO FOREIGN  TO US NOW AFTER BEING OKAY TO START WALKING AROUND WITHOUT A  MASK.

>> Gene: THAT IS A FAIR POINT.

>> Dede: IT HAS ONLY BEEN THREE WEEKS.

REMEMBER HOW FAST THESE THINGS ARE CHANGING.

ONLY THREE WEEKS SINCE NEW MEXICO CAME OUT OF A VIRTUAL  LOCKDOWN.

>> Gene: DEDE, CAST FORWARD  THREE WEEKS.

WE HAVE SCHOOL COMING BACK IN  FOR A LOT OF FOLKS.

SANTA FE GOES BACK AUGUST 6,  APS RIGHT AROUND THAT TIME AND WE JUST HAD AN ANNOUNCEMENT  FROM MY EMPLOYER, UNM HERE, THEIR GUIDANCE IS BACK TO  MASKS FOR EVERYONE INDOORS, VACCINATED OR NOT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT BACK TO SCHOOL.

WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN SO FAR THAT GIVES YOU COMFORT WE CAN PULL  THIS OFF OR ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT WE CAN GET BACK TO  SCHOOL, GIVEN WHAT WE KNOW NOW?

>> Dede: WELL, I THINK THAT IT HAS BEEN A RATHER AWKWARD  POSITION FOR THE PED, PUBLIC EDUCATION DEPARTMENT, TO HAVE  PUT OUT GUIDANCE THAT MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS  DIDN'T NEED TO WEAR MASKS IF THEY WERE VACCINATED AND THEN  THE CDC CAME OUT WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION SO THEY HAVEN'T  ACTUALLY BACKTRACKED ON THAT YET BUT THEY WILL.

AND APS IS THE HARBINGER BECAUSE APS JUST INDICATED  THAT ALL STUDENTS WILL NEED TO WEAR MASKS INDOORS.

SO, I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE IS THAT WE HAVE HAD THE  HONOR SYSTEM AND THE HONOR SYSTEM HAS NOT WORKED.

THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN VACCINATED ARE NOT WEARING  MASKS.

SO, IF WE DON'T -- IF OUR  RATES DON'T COME DOWN AND SOMETHING DOESN'T HAPPEN, WHAT  IS NEXT IS MAYBE SOME SORT OF A MANDATE THAT PEOPLE GET  VACCINATED AT UNM WHICH THEY TURNED DOWN OR IF THEY ARE  EMPLOYED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WHICH, YOU KNOW,  EVERYONE HAS BEEN KIND OF EXPECTING THAT BECAUSE  VETERANS ADMINISTRATION HAS MANDATED THAT.

NEW YORK, CALIFORNIA, THAT MAY BE NEXT.

>> Gene: LET ME FLESH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT FOR FOLKS WHO  DON'T KNOW WHAT DEDE IS GOING TO HERE.

BASICALLY, THEY ARE REQUIRING IF YOU'RE UNVACCINATED, YOU  HAVE TO TEST EVERY WEEK OR EVEN MORE OFTEN TO GET TO WORK  IN SOME PLACES.

DAN, DOES THAT FEEL LIKE A  LEAP TOO FAR?

LET ME PUT IT IN THIS CONTEXT.

ARE WE MISSING THE FOREST HERE?

THE KIDS ARE GOING BACK TO SCHOOL -- CLASS.

YOU KNOW, IT IS SOMEWHAT NORMAL, IS IT NOT?

CAN WE GET THROUGH THIS?

>> Dan: YEAH, LOOK, THERE IS  NO DOUBT THAT I THINK THERE IS A PARALLEL CONVERSATION TO  HAVE HERE, RIGHT?

ONE IS WHAT IS COVID DOING AND  THE EFFECTS AND HOW WE RESPOND AND REACT TO IT.

HERE WE ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT MAKING KIDS  WEAR MASKS IN SCHOOL AND YET EVEN THE OWN CDC'S INFORMATION  SAYS, LOOK, THESE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE NOT A PROBLEM.

IT IS NOT HURTING THESE YOUNG KIDS BUT THE ANSWER IS PUT  THEM IN A MASK.

SO, I DON'T KNOW.

I HAVE GOT FOUR KIDS THAT ARE GROWN NOW.

I CAN'T IMAGINE TELLING MY THIRD GRADE KID HE HAS TO WEAR  A MASK ALL DAY WHILE HE IS SITTING IN CLASS.

YOU CAN'T GET HIM TO SIT IN A  CHAIR FOR 20 MINUTES LET ALONE WEAR A MASK.

>> Gene: THAT IS JUST THE RECOMMENDATION.

THAT IS JUST THE REALITY RIGHT NOW.

>> Dan: I THINK WE HEAR PEOPLE SAY ALL THE TIME WE SHOULD  FOLLOW THE SCIENCE THEN YOU LOOK AT SCIENCE AND WE ARE  MAKING DECISIONS THAT DON'T FOLLOW THE SCIENCE IN CERTAIN  THINGS SO IT MAKES PEOPLE SAY, IF YOU'RE NOT USING THE  SCIENCE TO FOLLOW THAT DECISION, WHAT SCIENCE ARE YOU  USING TO MAKE THIS DECISION?

WHICH BRINGS ME BACK TO THE  WHOLE, IT IS CRAZY.

RIGHT NOW THE WORD IS THERE IS  OVER 1/3 OF THE U.S. MILITARY THAT HASN'T GOTTEN VACCINATED.

SO, I MEAN YOU'RE GOING TO START TELLING EVERYBODY IN  AMERICA AS A KID THEY HAVE GOT TO GET VACCINATED?

BUT THEY CAN SAY WHAT THEY WANT.

THERE IS A FIGHT RIGHT NOW IN CALIFORNIA FROM BOTH THE  PRISON GUARDS UNION AND I THINK THERE IS ANOTHER PUBLIC  EMPLOYEES UNION SAYING YOU CAN'T MAKE US GET VACCINATED.

YOU CAN'T MAKE US GET VACCINATED.

THESE EDICTS ARE COMING OUT -- >> Gene: I HAVE A BUT.

HANG ON.

I HAVE A BUT AND I AM GOING TO  TOSS IT TO KRISTELLE.

FRANCE, VACCINE PASSPORTS.

GERMANY, VACCINE PASSPORTS.

YOU CAN'T WALK IN THE DOOR.

THEY ARE NOT DOING HONOR SYSTEM.

YOU HAVE TO SHOW SOMETHING OR YOU'RE NOT GETTING IN THE  DOOR.

ARE WE HEADED THAT WAY?

IS THERE SOMETHING, A STEP THAT COULD BE TAKEN IN THAT  DIRECTION THAT IS PALATABLE TO AMERICANS?

HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY PULL THAT OFF?

>> Kristelle: WE GO BACK TO THE DECISION MAKING BY THE  DIFFERENT INSTITUTIONS, BUSINESSES AND BACK TO DAN'S  POINT, PEOPLE ARE MAKING CERTAIN DECISIONS BECAUSE OF  SCIENCE.

WE ALWAYS GO BACK TO SAFETY  AND SECURITY, RIGHT?

SAFETY AND SECURITY OF OUR  PEOPLE, SAFETY AND SECURITY OF STAFF, ESPECIALLY HERE AT OUR  COMPANY AND THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF OUR FAMILIES THAT  WE GO HOME TO AT THE END OF THE DAY.

SO, SAFETY AND SECURITY FOR PLACES LIKE GERMANY AND FRANCE  WHERE THEY ARE PUTTING THESE MANDATES, IT IS THE  GOVERNMENTS ONE WAY OF SHOWING SAFETY AND SECURITY FOR ALL  THE INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE WITHIN THAT COUNTRY.

LIKE WE STILL HAVE -- >> Gene: THEY ARE GETTING  PROTESTS.

IN PARIS.

>> Kristelle: OF COURSE THERE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE PEOPLE  THAT DON'T WANT TO DO THINGS LIKE THAT BUT IF YOU THINK  ABOUT IT, RIGHT, IF THERE ARE MANDATES LIKE CURFEWS IN OUR  NATIVE RESERVATIONS, IT IS BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY AND  SECURITY, RIGHT, OF A NATION NOT BEING WIPED OUT BECAUSE OF  A PANDEMIC.

SO, OF COURSE, THERE IS GOING  TO BE COMPLAINING AND MOANING ABOUT MANDATES OF THIS SORT  BUT, YOU KNOW, BACK TO DEDE'S POINT, IF PEOPLE ARE WORKING  ON THE HONOR SYSTEM OR NOT COMPLYING WITH THE HONOR  SYSTEM, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO TAKE MATTERS INTO THE  HANDS OF THE INDIVIDUALS AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALSO SEE  TOO, ESPECIALLY IN OUR NATION, I'LL MAKE IT QUICK, WE SEE HOW  THINGS GO ON A MICRO LEVEL.

WE SEE EMPLOYERS ARE TRYING TO  MANDATE VACCINES WITHIN THEIR WORKFORCES AMONG EMPLOYEES AND  THEN WE STARTED TO SEE IT GO ON A CITY-WIDE LEVEL, ON A  COUNTY LEVEL AND THEN EVENTUALLY TO GO NATIONWIDE.

THAT IS THE NATURE OF THE COURSE OF AMERICA.

WE START SMALL THEN THE MANDATES GO BIG SO I WOULD  ANTICIPATE SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR VACCINE OF SOME SORT.

>> Gene: GOOD POINTS THERE.

WE ARE OUT OF TIME.

THIS GROUPS KICKS AROUND ANOTHER TOPIC, PUBLIC  FINANCING FOR NEW MEXICO UNITED SOCCER STADIUM IN JUST  A FEW MINUTES.

>> McCLAIN:   HOW DO YOU MATCH PEOPLES' INTERESTS WHO ARE  COMING WITH A MISSION OF OUR HOSPITALS AND OF OUR PROGRAMS?

I THINK HE SAW A LOT ABOUT THAT AND DID AN EXCELLENT JOB  FIGURING OUT KIND OF THE CRITERIA TO LOOK AT TO MAKE  SURE FOLKS ARE INTERESTED IN UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES  STAYING IN NEW MEXICO AND  GOING TO A RURAL LOCATION.

>> Gene: THE TROUBLED LEGACY  OF INDIAN BOARDING SCHOOLS IN THE UNITED STATES IS FINALLY  BEING ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THE SCHOOLS CREATED BY FEDERAL POLICY AND OFTEN RUN BY  CHURCHES WERE INTENDED TO ASSIMILATE NATIVE AMERICAN  CHILDREN AND STRIP THEM OF THEIR TRIBAL CULTURE.

TRADITIONS, DRESS, LANGUAGE, ALL OF IT.

SECRETARY OF INTERIOR DEB HAALAND RECENTLY LAUNCHED A  FEDERAL INVESTIGATION TO LOCATE SCHOOL FACILITIES,  BURIAL GROUNDS AND TO IDENTIFY THE TRIBAL AFFILIATIONS OF  CHILDREN WHO DIED AT THESE SCHOOLS.

THAT FOLLOWS THE GRIM DISCOVERY OF HUNDREDS OF  REMAINS IN CANADA AT SITES OF FORMER INDIAN RESIDENTIAL  SCHOOLS THERE.

THOSE DISCOVERIES ARE PAINFUL  REMINDERS FOR NATIVE AMERICANS WHO HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY  INTERGENERATIONAL TRAUMA OF THE SCHOOLS.

THIS WEEK, CORRESPONDENT ANTONIO GONZALES SPEAKS WITH  SOME MEMBERS OF THE NATIVE COMMUNITY ABOUT THAT TRAUMATIC  HISTORY.

>> Antonia: I WANT TO THANK  YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND JUST ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THIS  IS A DIFFICULT SUBJECT FOR MANY PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT AND  MAYBE EVEN OUR VIEWERS TO WATCH.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BOARDING SCHOOLS IN THE UNITED STATES  AND IMPACTS ON NATIVE AMERICAN PEOPLE HERE.

ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND IN NEW MEXICO.

COUNCILMAN GARCIA, YOU WERE THERE AT THE NATIONAL CONGRESS  OF AMERICAN INDIANS, MIDYEAR CONVENTION, WHEN SECRETARY OF  THE INTERIOR DEB HAALAND MADE HER ANNOUNCEMENT ON HER  BOARDING SCHOOL INITIATIVE.

WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION HEARING  THAT?

>> Garcia: THE INITIAL  REACTION IS THAT IT IS -- IT DID HAPPEN.

BECAUSE IT STARTED -- AFTER IT STARTED WHILE SHE WAS STILL  CONGRESSWOMAN AND SHE WAS CONSIDERING SETTING UP AN  INVESTIGATION OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT OF WHAT FINALLY  TRANSPIRED.

AND THE FACT THAT SHE MOVED  OVER TO SECRETARY OF INTERIOR, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE BEST  MOVES IN THE COUNTRY FOR INDIAN COUNTRY, SHE WAS ABLE  TO MOVE THIS EFFORT A LITTLE FASTER THAN NORMAL.

SO, I THINK THE EFFORT HAS BEEN LONG OVERDUE BUT THERE IS  A WHOLE LOT OF HISTORY THAT MOST PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY  JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT AND THAT IS INDIAN HISTORY.

ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH, THE SUFFERING  AND ALL OF THAT -- >> Antonia: AND ANGEL, WHAT  WAS YOUR RESPONSE WHEN YOU HEARD THE NEWS OF THIS  INVESTIGATION, NOT ONLY JUST AN INVESTIGATION BUT THE U.S.  GOVERNMENT ACKNOWLEDGING ITS PART IN FEDERAL INDIAN  BOARDING SCHOOLS?

>> Charley: IT COULDN'T HAVE  COME AT A BETTER TIME.

IF WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO  WHAT IS HAPPENING IN CANADA RIGHT NOW, IT IS DISCOVERY  AFTER DISCOVERY AFTER DISCOVERY OF BURIAL SITES,  HUNDREDS OF INDIGENOUS CHILDREN BURIED AT RESIDENTIAL  SCHOOLS AND SO WE ARE BOTH GRATEFUL AND HOPEFUL WITH  SECRETARY HAALAND BEING AT THE HELM OF THE DEPARTMENT OF  INTERIOR TO PUSH FURTHER THESE EFFORTS.

>> Antonia: CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE IMPACT ON  PUEBLO PEOPLE HERE IN NEW MEXICO WITH BOARDING SCHOOLS.

THERE IS A HISTORY THAT TRIBAL COMMUNITIES ARE WELL AWARE OF,  EVEN THOUGH IT IS JUST NOW BEING BROUGHT TO LIGHT IN THE  PUBLIC AND U.S. WE HEAR STORIES FROM OUR  PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS.

IT IS A LIVING HISTORY AND  IMPACTS, INCLUDING TRAUMA AND ABUSE, HAVE BEEN  INTERGENERATIONAL.

>> Garcia: THERE IS NO  UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE INTENT WAS OTHER THAN TRYING  TO PROMOTE EDUCATION BUT THAT IS NOT EVEN A VENUE THAT THE  UNITED STATES HAD ITS MIND ON.

IT WAS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

AND I THINK THE UNITED STATES HAS NOT TALKED ABOUT THAT.

AND THE WORD IS CALLED GENOCIDE AND GENOCIDE IS WHAT  IT IS ABOUT.

WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THAT  RELIGION AND WAY OF LIFE ARE MISUNDERSTOOD BY THE DOMINANT  SOCIETY.

SO, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE  CULTURE AND TRADITION, THAT IS NOT RELIGION.

THAT IS WAY OF LIFE.

THAT IS OR WAY OF LIFE AND TO  JUST CATEGORIZE IT INTO RELIGIOUS THINGS, WHICH IS THE  CONVERSION THING THAT YOU WANT TO DO, AND FOR PUEBLO COUNTRY  BECAUSE OF WHAT WE STILL GO THROUGH IN OUR TRADITIONAL  WAYS FOR TAKING CARE OF OUR LOST ONES, IT IS VERY, VERY  HURTFUL IF SOMEONE IS BURIED ELSEWHERE THAT THEY ARE NOT  PART OF THAT LAND BASE, IF YOU WILL, NOT PART OF MOTHER EARTH  AT THAT POINT.

SO, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT  IS A BIG, BIG ISSUE BUT THE FACT THAT IT IS KIND OF COMING  OUT NOW, BEING EXPOSED, I THINK, IT IS NOT GOING TO  HAPPEN IN A YEAR'S TIME.

IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN  FIVE YEARS TIME.

IT IS GOING TO TAKE A LONG,  LONG TIME.

THE HEALING PART HASN'T EVEN  BEEN MEASURED AT THIS POINT.

BECAUSE, IT IS SO SMALL.

>> Antonia: AND ANGEL, COUNCILMAN GARCIA MENTIONED  HEALING.

AND WORKING WITH A LOT OF  PEOPLE THROUGH YOUR COALITION, DEALING WITH TRAUMA AND  IMPACTS OF INTERGENERATIONAL TRAUMA IS WHAT THE COALITION  YOU WORK WITH DOES.

HOW IS USING CULTURE PART OF  HEALING AND CAN HELP WITH HEALING OF IMPACTS FROM  BOARDING SCHOOLS?

>> Charley: WHAT COUNCILMAN  GARCIA MENTIONED, THE CEREMONIES THAT WE HAVE, THE  PROCESS OF RETURNING OUR PEOPLE INTO THE EARTH IS SO  IMPORTANT.

WHEN WE BEGAN HAVING THESE  CONVERSATIONS JUST AS A STAFF ORGANIZATION, SO MANY FEELINGS  OF ANGER AND GRIEF AND HURT AROSE JUST WITHIN THE 12 OF US  AT THE COALITION.

AS WE BEGAN TO HAVE THESE  CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR MEMBERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS, IT  CONTINUED TO RISE AND SO WHEN WE PULLED, ALONG WITH  ALBUQUERQUE MUTUAL AID AND FIGHT FOR OUR LIVES, THESE  COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATIONS PUT TOGETHER A COUPLE OF  EFFORTS.

IT BEGAN AS A CONVERSATION,  WHAT DO WE DO NEXT AND WHEN WE REALLY GOT DEEP INTO THE  FEELINGS THAT WE WERE EXPERIENCING, IT WAS VERY  IMPORTANT THAT WE HAD A SPACE AND A TIME FOR FOLKS TO COME  TOGETHER TO HEAL AND WHAT THAT MEANT WAS TO GRIEVE  COLLECTIVELY.

WE DID A LOT OF FOCUS AROUND  THE CHILDREN WE DO HAVE AND A LOT OF EVENTS TO SUPPORT THEIR  WELLBEING.

BUT THAT HEALING PROCESS IS  VERY IMPORTANT AND ALSO NOT ONE YEAR.

IT IS GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF TURNS.

THE MORE INFORMATION THAT COMES OUT FROM INVESTIGATION  THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR WILL CONTINUE TO  SURFACE THESE FEELINGS FOR FOLKS.

AND IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO HOLD SPACE AND  COME TOGETHER IN NEW WAYS ESPECIALLY GIVEN COVID-19 AND  THE REMOTENESS OF WHAT INTERACTION LOOKS LIKE NOW, TO  HEAL.

AND TO CONNECT.

>> Antonia: COUNCILMAN GARCIA JUST TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT,  WHAT DO YOU HOPE COMES OUT OF THIS FIRST YEAR OF THE  INVESTIGATION?

>> Garcia:   WELL, I HOPE THAT IT DOESN'T COME INTO A  POLITICAL BATTLE AND FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN BEING INVOLVED  IN TRIBAL GOVERNMENT AND INDIAN GOVERNMENT, PER SE  ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND COLLABORATIONS AND WORKING  WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, SOMETIMES EFFORTS LIKE THIS  TEND TO STALL OUT AND IT BECOMES A POLITICAL GAME  RATHER THAN THE REAL TRUE SPIRIT OF WHAT IT IS WE ARE  TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS, I THINK,  HAVE TO DO WITH HEALING AND UNLESS YOU UNDERSTAND THE  PARTS OF HEALING AND HOW LONG IT TAKES AND WHAT IS NEEDED BY  THE PEOPLE THAT NEED THAT HEALING, NO.

1, IT HAS GOT TO  BE ACCEPTED THAT THESE THINGS HAPPENED.

BUT, THE GUILTY PARTY ALSO HAS TO ACCEPT THAT THESE THINGS  HAPPENED AND THE HISTORY OF IT IS THAT IT WASN'T WRITTEN IN  EVERYDAY BOOK LITERATURE THAT I HAVE GOT HERE.

SO, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE INDIAN PEOPLE, IN THEIR HISTORY,  COURSES THEY HAVE TAKEN BECAUSE IT IS A REQUIREMENT IN  THE EDUCATION PROCESS, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE THEY READ  ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN THE HISTORY BOOKS AND I THINK NIL  BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN THE HISTORY BOOKS.

SO, WHEN YOU'RE AT THAT LEVEL OF DENIAL BY THE FEDERAL  GOVERNMENT THAT THESE THINGS HAPPENED, THEN IT BECOMES A  HARDER EFFORT TO BRING IT TO THE SURFACE AND THEN MOVE IT  ALONG.

>> Antonia: ANGEL, ANY FINAL  THOUGHTS?

>> Charley:   HEALING REQUIRES CONNECTION.

THAT WE CANNOT HAVE RECONCILIATION WITHOUT TRUTH,  THAT THIS WAS A PRACTICE OF GENOCIDE AND THAT IT IS TIME  FOR THE COUNTRY TO RECKON WITH THAT.

THERE ARE WAYS IN WHICH NEW MEXICO CAN GRAPPLE THIS ISSUE,  THROUGH THE PROVISIONS OF YAZI VERSUS MARTINEZ TO GET THAT  CURRICULUM INTO THE TEXTBOOKS OF CHILDREN.

NOW, IT IS ENSURING THAT EVERYONE IS ABLE TO HAVE A  FIRM UNDERSTANDING OF, THIS IS THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.

>> Antonia: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY ON NEW MEXICO  IN FOCUS AND THERE IS DEFINITELY A LOT OF WORK AHEAD  ON BOARDING SCHOOL, LOOKING AT BOARDING SCHOOL HISTORY HERE  IN THE UNITED STATES AND DEFINITELY FOR THE HEALING  PROCESS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR DEB HAALAND RECENTLY ANNOUNCED HER  U.S. BOARDING SCHOOL INITIATIVE TO INVESTIGATE  BOARDING SCHOOL HISTORY HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.

SHE RECENTLY SAT DOWN WITH PBS NEWS HOUR TO SHARE SOME  THOUGHTS.

>> Host:   SECRETARY HAALAND THANK YOU SO MUCH JOINING US.

I HAVE TO SAY AT THE OUTSET THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE  SADDEST MOST DISTURBING STORIES I HAVE EVER SEEN, TO  THINK OF THESE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN TAKEN  FROM THEIR FAMILIES SO MANY OF WHOM NEVER CAME BACK.

THE FAMILIES NEVER KNEW WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM.

IT IS UNSPEAKABLE.

YOUR OWN FAMILY WAS TOUCHED BY  THIS.

>> Haaland: YES, IT IS A  TRAGIC ERA IN OUR HISTORY, IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

THE BOARDING SCHOOL ERA -- THINK ABOUT AS SORT OF ONE  LAST DITCH EFFORT TO GET NATIVE AMERICANS OUT OF THEIR  COMMUNITIES AND PUT THEM INTO MAINSTREAM SOCIETY AFTER  GENOCIDE, AFTER THE KILLING OFF OF VAST NUMBERS OF NATIVE  FOLKS SO THAT FOLKS COULD TAKE THEIR LAND.

IT WAS TRAGIC AFTER EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAD HAPPENED AS WELL  AND THEY TOOK INDIANS FROM THEIR COMMUNITIES AND THEIR  FAMILIES SO THEY COULD INDOCTRINATE THEM, RIGHT?

TO TAKE AWAY THEIR CLOTHING, TO BRUTALLY TAKE AWAY THEIR  LANGUAGES AND THEIR CULTURES AND MANY CHILDREN, YES, THEY  NEVER MADE IT BACK HOME.

I AM GRATEFUL THAT MY  GRANDPARENTS MADE IT BACK HOME.

I WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY IF THEY HADN'T, OF COURSE.

SO, THIS IS A HISTORY THAT ALL OF US NEED TO KNOW ABOUT SO  THAT WE CAN BEGIN A HEALING PROCESS FOR THE FAMILIES WHO  ARE STILL LIVING WITH THE GENERATIONAL TRAUMA OF THE  BOARDING SCHOOL ERA, OF THE ASSIMILATION ERA, OF ALL OF  THE TERRIBLE ERAS OF FEDERAL INDIAN POLICY THAT TRIBES HAVE  HAD TO LIVE WITH.

>> Host: DO YOU HAVE A GOOD  UNDERSTANDING DO YOU THINK OF WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CHILDREN  WHO DIED?

>> Haaland:   WE DON'T KNOW, RIGHT?

AND THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HOPE TO FIND OUT WITH  OUR FEDERAL BOARDING SCHOOL INITIATIVE.

IT WAS WIDELY KNOWN THAT IN INDIAN BOARDING SCHOOLS THAT  MALNUTRITION WAS AN ISSUE.

IF YOU TALK TO FOLKS WHOSE  GRANDPARENTS WENT TO BOARDING SCHOOL AND THEY HAVE HEARD  STORIES, THE STORIES ABOUT KIDS JUMPING OFF OF TRAINS  BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GO TO THE BOARDING SCHOOL.

RUNNING AWAY AND NEVER BEING SEEN AGAIN.

THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE MANY WAYS, YES, THAT CHILDREN  DIED IN THOSE SETTINGS AND THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE  ARE HOPING WE CAN FIND OUT.

>> Host: IT WAS, AS YOU SAID,  A WIDELY ACCEPTED POLICY IN THIS COUNTRY, U.S., AND IN  CANADA.

I READ IN YOUR QUOTE FROM THE  CIVIL WAR VETERAN WHO FOUNDED THE SCHOOL FOR CHILDREN IN  PENNSYLVANIA, CARLISLE, PENNSYLVANIA, WHO SAID, I AM  QUOTING, KILL THE INDIAN IN HIM AND SAVE THE MAN.

IT IS ASTONISHING TO THINK THAT WAS THE MINDSET BEHIND  THIS.

>> Haaland: INDEED.

NATIVE AMERICANS WERE NOT THOUGHT OF AS HUMANS IN THIS  COUNTRY.

WE WEREN'T CITIZENS IN THIS  COUNTRY UNTIL 1924.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO  VOTE IN MANY, MANY COMMUNITIES, SOME AS LATE AS  1960 OR '62.

WE WEREN'T THOUGHT AS VALUABLE  CONTRIBUTORS TO THIS COUNTRY AND YET TODAY, WE SEE THAT  NATIVE AMERICANS HAVE THE HIGHEST RATE OF MILITARY  SERVICE.

THE RATIO IS HIGHER THAN ANY  OTHER GROUPS OF PEOPLE.

WE STEP UP TO DEFEND OUR  COUNTRY AND, OF COURSE, TODAY, WE DEFIED ALL THE ODDS.

MANY OF OUR FAMILIES, ANCESTORS, PERSEVERED.

MY GRANDPARENTS WERE ACTUALLY PART OF THE ASSIMILATION ERA.

AFTER BOARDING SCHOOL, THEY WENT AND WORKED ON THE  RAILROAD IN WINSLOW, ARIZONA.

>> Host: HOW CAN WE BE  CONFIDENT WE ARE GOING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT WHEN IT IS  THE GOVERNMENT, IN EFFECT, INVESTIGATING ITSELF?

>> Haaland: I FEEL THAT WITH OUR INITIATIVE THAT WE CAN  WORK ON HEALING.

I REALLY FEEL CONFIDENT THAT,  I MEAN, THAT IS A GOAL FOR US AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT  THE FAMILIES GET THE ANSWERS THEY NEED AND THEY WANT.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS A TRUST OBLIGATION TO INDIAN  TRIBES.

THAT IS IN EXCHANGE FOR ALL  THE LAND THAT ESSENTIALLY BECAME THE UNITED STATES.

THIS WAS ALL INDIAN LAND AT ONE TIME.

SO, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS PART OF OUR TRUST  OBLIGATION TO INDIAN TRIBES, AN INITIATIVE WE ARE MOVING  FORWARD WITH.

I FEEL CONFIDENT THIS IS A NEW  ERA AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT TRIBES HAVE A SEAT AT THE  TABLE.

>> Host: ULTIMATELY, HOW DO  YOU SEE HOLDING THE INSTITUTIONS ACCOUNTABLE THAT  WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS?

>> Haaland: THAT REMAINS TO BE  SEEN OF COURSE.

THERE IS A LOT -- RECENTLY I  WAS ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN A CEREMONY AT CARLISLE, NOW AN  ARMY WAR COLLEGE.

IT WAS A CARLISLE INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL   FOR NATIVE AMERICANS.

MY GREAT GRANDFATHER ATTENDED THAT SCHOOL AND I WAS INVITED  BY THE ROSEBUDS SIOUX TRIBE AS THEY WORK TO REMOVE CHILDREN  FROM THEIR TRIBE WHO WERE BURIED IN THE CEMETERY THERE,  TO TAKE THEM HOME TO THEIR HOMELAND IN SOUTH DAKOTA.

I THINK THAT IT IS UP TO EVERY TRIBE, RIGHT, HOW DO THEY WANT  TO MOVE FORWARD?

WHAT IS THEIR IDEA OF HEALING  AND WHAT WOULD MAKE THEM FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE GOTTEN THE  ANSWERS THEY WANT.

WE ARE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO  MAKE SURE WE ARE ATTENTIVE TO THOSE NEEDS.

>> Host: YOU ALSO WROTE RECENTLY ABOUT THE CHALLENGE  OF LOVING YOUR OWN COUNTRY, A COUNTRY THAT WAS RESPONSIBLE  FOR COMMITTING THESE ACTS.

HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO  OTHERS, TO OTHER NATIVE AMERICANS WHO LOOK AT THIS AND  QUESTION HOW CAN YOU LOVE A COUNTRY THAT HAS DONE THIS?

>> Haaland: FIRST OF ALL, MY ANCESTRAL HOME LANDS ARE HERE  AND I CAN'T GO ANYWHERE ELSE.

THIS IS MY HOME AND THIS IS  WHERE MY FAMILY IS.

THIS IS WHERE MY HISTORY IS.

WE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 10'S OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS AND WE WANT  TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DEFENDING THIS LAND FOR FUTURE  GENERATIONS.

>> Host: SECRETARY OF  INTERIOR, DEB HAALAND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> Gene: WE ARE ALL UNITED.

IN ALBUQUERQUE THAT MIGHT BE  ESPECIALLY TRUE IF VOTERS IN NOVEMBER APPROVE A PROPOSED  BOND FOR A SOCCER STADIUM.

THAT WHILE IT WILL BE BUILT AS  A MULTI-USE STADIUM, WILL MOST NOTABLY BE USED AS A HOME FOR  THE CITY'S SUCCESSFUL PROFESSIONAL SOCCER TEAM, NEW  MEXICO UNITED.

MAYOR TIM KELLER AND TEAM  OWNER PETER TREVISANI MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT AT LAST WEEKEND'S  GAME AGAINST EL PASO.

KRISTELLE, I THINK YOU WERE  THERE AND YOU'RE A HUGE SUPPORTER OF THE TEAM.

I HAVE GOT TO ASK YOU THIS RIGHT OFF THE TOP.

WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.

>> Dan: ASK HER IF SHE REMEMBERS EVEN BEING AT THE  GAME.

>> Kristelle: I WAS NOT AT  GAME, NO, NOT THAT TIME.

>> Gene: OKAY.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS KRISTELLE.

PUBLIC FINANCING.

IS THIS THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT?

>> Kristelle: YES, I DO THINK PUBLIC FINANCING IS THE  APPROPRIATE WAY TO DO THIS.

PEOPLE FORGET THAT SOME OF THE  MAJOR EVENT CENTERS LIKE TINGLEY COLISEUM IS OWNED BY  THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO AND RIO RANCHO, THAT ON A GOOD  YEAR, ACCORDING TO THE MAYOR GOES NEGATIVE A MILLION  DOLLARS IN TERMS OF LOSS.

MOST OF THE MAJOR EVENT  CENTERS HERE IN TOWN IT IS A KEY PHRASE THAT YOU KNOW, YES,  LEGISLATIVE USE AND POLITICIANS USE BUT REALLY IT  IS BEST DEFINITION.

IT IS A PUBLIC AND PRIVATE  PARTNERSHIP.

THAT IS THE CRITICAL PIECE  THAT PEOPLE FORGET.

IS ALBUQUERQUE READY FOR  ANOTHER MULTI-USE STADIUM?

ABSOLUTELY.

OUR ORGANIZATION AT SIARZA ALWAYS CONSTANTLY DOES EVENTS  BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, OF COURSE, AND I CAN'T TELL YOU  HOW MANY TIMES THERE IS AN EVENT GOING ON ALMOST EVERY  DAMN WEEKEND HERE IN NEW MEXICO THAT IT CAN BE  STATE-WIDE.

IT CAN BE LOCAL AND NEW MEXICO  UNITED, NOT ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO UNITED, PURPOSEFULLY  BRINGS THE ENTIRE STATE TOGETHER TO HELP BUILD AROUND  THE COMMUNITY OF SOCCER.

IT WAS RON PATELL AND LAWRENCE  ESPINOSA -- >> Gene: I DON'T WANT TO BE  RUDE.

I HAVE GOT TO BUZZ TO FOLKS ON  THE IDEA OF PUBLIC FINANCING.

I HEAR YOUR PR POINTS.

PUBLIC FINANCING, IS IT APPROPRIATE?

LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY, WE HAVE AN OWNERSHIP GROUP NOT WILLING  TO RISK ANY OF THEIR OWN CAPITAL ON A STADIUM BUT YET  AGAIN THEY ARE GOING TO CLEAN-UP ON SOME OF THE  LARGESS OF THAT PARTNERSHIP.

IS THIS THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO  GO?

>> Dede: I THINK IN THIS CASE  IT IS.

I WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT  ANSWER IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE DENVER BRONCOS AND  SUBSIDIZING THE DENVER BRONCOS WITH A HUGE STADIUM AND THE  BRONCOS THREATENING TO LEAVE THE CITY IF THEY DIDN'T GET  THIS KIND OF PUBLIC FINANCING.

BUT, HAVING SAID THAT, YOU  KNOW, THE CITY HAS TO BE CAUTIOUS.

THERE HAVE BEEN MANY PROPOSALS FOR DOWNTOWN STADIUMS, DATING  BACK TO THE FESTIVAL MARKETPLACE AND MANY OTHERS  AND, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC MONIES -- WE ARE TALKING HERE  ABOUT 75 MILLION-DOLLARS TO CONSTRUCT THE STADIUM AND THEN  THE TEAM WOULD RENT THE STADIUM FROM THE CITY WHICH  WOULD FLOAT BONDS IN ORDER TO FINANCE IT.

THERE ARE A LOT OF IF'S AND'S OR BUT'S ABOUT THAT.

WHAT IF THE TEAM DOESN'T DO SO WELL ONE YEAR?

WILL THEY BE PAYING THEIR RENT?

WHERE DOES TICKET SALES PLAY IN THAT?

ARE THERE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THOSE THAT ARE GUARANTEED?

IN THIS CASE, I THINK THAT IT IS A GOOD BET AND WE NEED IT  AT THIS TIME IN OUR CITY AND STATE'S HISTORY.

>> Gene: WHY?

>> Dede: THERE ARE VERY FEW  THINGS THAT BRING US TOGETHER IN THE WAY THIS YOUNG, NEW  TEAM AND SPORT HAS DONE.

>> Dan: DEDE IS A HOOLIGAN.

>> Gene: HOW BIG IS THE US?

THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW.

I HEAR THE WHOLE THING ABOUT STATE-WIDE AND WE AND US.

IS IT REALLY THAT BIG?

DAN, LET ME ASK YOU THIS OR IS  THIS MORE ILLUSION BECAUSE THE TEAM IS NEW, IT IS EXCITING?

HOW BIG HONESTLY IS THIS FOR A 70 MILLION-DOLLAR STADIUM  WHICH I MIGHT REMIND YOU, I'LL REMIND EVERYBODY, WE ARE  TALKING ABOUT LESS THAN 20 HOME GAMES A YEAR.

LESS THAN 20.

OKAY?

SO, 70 MILLION-DOLLARS, LET'S THINK ABOUT THIS.

BACK TO MY QUESTION.

>> Dan: SO THE FIRST THING,  LET ME SAY THIS.

I'LL APPLAUD WHAT THEY ARE DOING FROM THE  STANDPOINT OF PUTTING IT TO THE VOTERS.

THIS IS NOT BEING DONE IN A BACK-ROOM DEAL AND WE ARE  FINDING OUT.

VOTERS ARE GOING TO DECIDE.

THAT IS THE GREATEST FORM OF DEMOCRACY WE HAVE.

IF VOTERS OF THIS CITY THINK IT IS SO, HOW DO I THINK IT  AFFECTS NEW MEXICO?

I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT  FROM ONE LENS WHICH IS NOT WRONG, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE  WRONG MOST OF THE TIME, THIS ONE YOU'RE NOT.

IT IS FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THAT PEOPLE TRAVELING FROM OUT  OF THE CITY, RIGHT, COMING TO BUY TICKETS, SUPPORTING NEW  MEXICO UNITED, BUT I THINK THAT IT IS A STATE TEAM  BECAUSE THEY ARE ON A STAGE.

THEY ARE WALKING AROUND WITH  THE NAME NEW MEXICO UNITED, NOT ALBUQUERQUE UNITED.

SO IT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THERE TO BE A STATE  BUY-IN.

I THINK THAT THE OTHER THING  THAT I DO THINK IS GOOD ABOUT SOCCER IS, LOOK, THESE GUYS  CAN START WINNING AND GO ON A STREAK AND KEEP MOVING UP IN  CLASSES AND YOU COULD WIND UP WITH AN MSL SOCCER TEAM FOR  NOT A LOT OF MONEY.

>> Gene: THAT IS PART OF THE  PLAY TO BUILD A STADIUM.

FIRST, LET ME ASK KRISTELLE.

>> Dan: THE STADIUM CAN BE USED BY MORE AND DON'T FORGET  OUR DISCOUNT THAT I AM A FOOTBALL FAN.

DON'T DISCOUNT THE FACT WE HAVE HAD A PRETTY GOOD SOCCER  PROGRAM IN THE PAST AT UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO THAT  PLAYED ON THE BACK OF A TRACK DEAL.

SO IF WE BRING BACK SOCCER AT UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO WHO  WAS NATIONALLY RANKED AND GIVE THEM A FACILITY LIKE THIS, NOW  YOU'RE HOSTING NCAA TOURNAMENTS.

SO, I SEE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR IT BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT  THAT OUT.

>> Gene: LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

TWO LOCATIONS, YOU HAVE THE PLAN THERE, I SAW IT ON YOUR  LAP THERE A SECOND AGO.

YOU HAVE SECOND AND IRON, COAL  AND BROADWAY.

IT HAS EVERYONE LIT UP WHEN  YOU PICTURE IN YOUR MIND COAL AND BROADWAY.

THIS HAS TO GO BEFORE COUNCIL AND WHAT HAPPENS IF COUNCIL  DECIDES TO TAKE A FREE MARKET APPROACH TO THIS AND SAY,  OKAY, GUYS, UNITED HERE IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO.

YOU DON'T WANT TO ASSUME ANY RISK.

YOU DON'T GET TO PICK WHERE IT IS GOING TO BE BUT YOU ALSO  DON'T GET TO OPEN WHAT WE KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO IS A SNAZZY  GIANT NEW UNITED BAR LIKE THIS GIANT THING THAT IS ON THE  SITE, GUARANTEED TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE MR. TREVISANI SAYS HE  WANTS TO BE IN THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THIS THING AS WELL.

WHAT HAPPENS IF COUNCIL SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT GUYS, IF YOU SAY  THIS IS GOING TO REVITALIZE DOWNTOWN, WHY DON'T YOU PUT  YOUR BIG NEW BAR DOWNTOWN AND WE WILL LET -- WE'LL LET THAT  BE THE END OF THE RAINBOW DOWN THERE?

YOU'RE NOT PUTTING ANY MONEY INTO THIS THING.

>> Kristelle: YEAH.

I WOULD IMAGINE IF CITY  COUNCIL SAID NO OR HAD ANY TYPE OF HESITATION, YOU BET  THAT THE SUPPORTERS OUT THERE, THAT HAVE NO OUNCE OF  EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER IN POLITICS, ARE GOING TO BE  SHOWING UP IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WITHOUT A DEBT.

REMEMBER THAT WHAT MAKES A TEAM A TEAM, WHAT MAKES A  FRANCHISE A FRANCHISE, IS THE FANS.

THE FACT THAT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA FOR THEM TO PUT MAYOR  KELLER AND PETER ON THE BACK OF A TRUCK, NOT IN A PRESS  CONFERENCE, THEY PUT THEM IN THE HEART OF THE FANS TO CHEER  ON FOR THIS PROJECT.

>> Gene: WHY IS THAT A GREAT  IDEA?

>> Kristelle: BECAUSE OF THE  PR OPPORTUNITIES, OBVIOUSLY.

BECAUSE ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU  THINK ABOUT WHENEVER CAMPAIGN MANAGERS, WHATEVER IT IS, THEY  NEED TO SHOW THERE IS A SUPPORTER BASE AND NEED TO  SHOW THERE IS A GROUP OF STAKEHOLDERS IN FAVOR OF A  CERTAIN PROJECT.

BASIC TO POLITICS.

THEY ALREADY HAVE ONE BUILT IN AND THERE IS A LOT OF THEM IN  THAT SUPPORTER SECTION THAT SITS IN SECTION 201 AND 202  EVERY SINGLE GAME APRIL.

AT LEAST 500 PEOPLE EASILY AND  THAT IS WHY THE STADIUM IS SO UNIQUE BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY  DOES A BIGGER CAPACITY FOR STADIUMS BECAUSE -- FOR THE  SUPPORTER SECTION IN THE STADIUM AND THE SUPPORTER  SECTION -- I KNOW I AM SOUNDING LIKE SUCH A FAN GIRL  RIGHT NOW -- BUT SUPPORTER SECTIONS ARE GOING TO BE THE  PEOPLE THAT DRIVE THE REVENUE.

>> Gene: I HEAR NOTHING IN  YOUR RAP THAT SUPPORTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEIR NEEDS.

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE FANS.

ALL RIGHT.

ADMINISTRATION SAYS AUGUST 2 MEETING WILL HAVE A  COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT THE CITY'S PROPOSAL FOR TAXPAYER  FUNDING.

WE ARE GOING TO CHECK IT OUT  WHEN THAT HAPPENS.

THANKS TO ALL THE PANELISTS  FOR THEIR WORK THIS WEEK.

BE SURE TO HEAD TO OUR  FACEBOOK PAGE FOR MORE DISCUSSION FROM THE GROUP  INCLUDING INITIAL REACTIONS TO SURPRISE NEWS THIS WEEK THAT  INVESTIGATORS FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE  RAIDED THE HOME OF LONG TIME MAJORITY FLOOR LEADER SHERYL  WILLIAMS STAPLETON.

>> Matt: I AM MATT GRUBS.

FOR YEARS, NEW MEXICO HAS HAD THE NATION'S HIGHEST  PROPORTION OF PHYSICIANS AGED 60 OR OLDER.

THE STATE'S RURAL NATURE AND WIDE OPEN SPACES, SOMETHING WE  HAVE ALL GROWN TO LOVE AND APPRECIATE, HAS BEEN A TOUGH  SELL FOR NEW DOCTORS AND WHEN RESIDENCIES ENDED THIS SPRING  FOR UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO, 15 FAMILY MEDICINE PHYSICIANS  WERE RESIDENTS AND 13 OF THEM CHOSE TO STAY.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE GAP IS CLOSED.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE PROBLEM IS SOLVED BUT THIS IS A BIG  STEP.

DR. MOLLY MCCLAIN AND ARTHUR  KAUFMAN ARE WITH THE HEALTH SCIENCES CENTER AND MEDICAL  SCHOOL AND JOINING US BY ZOOM IS DR. DARSHAN PATEL, WHO WILL  BE PRACTICING AT THE END OF AUGUST IN LOVINGTON.

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.

WHY DON'T WE JUST START WITH A  VERY GENERAL QUESTION.

IS THERE SORT OF A SECRET  SAUCE TO GET A RESULT LIKE THIS WITH A CLASS OF  PHYSICIANS TO GET SO MANY PEOPLE -- WE SHOULD POINT OUT  NOT ALL OF THEM ARE FROM NEW MEXICO -- TO STAY IN STATE,  SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED?

>> McCLAIN: I THINK THERE IS A  SECRET SAUCE AND I THINK MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON  THIS FOR MANY YEARS.

HISTORICALLY LOOKING BACK TO  2011 ABOUT 65 TO 70% OF GRADUATES DO TEND TO STAY AND  25% HISTORICALLY HAVE GONE RURAL.

WHAT MAKES THIS YEAR SO SPECIAL IS 87% STAYED AND  ABOUT 62% ENDED UP GOING RURAL.

I THINK OVER THE PAST SEVEN YEARS OUR PREVIOUS PROGRAM  DIRECTOR DAN WALDMAN DID A LOT OF WORK THINKING ABOUT HOW DO  YOU MATCH PEOPLES' INTERESTS WHO ARE COMING WITH A MISSION  OF OUR HOSPITAL AND OUR PROGRAM.

AND I THINK HE SAW A LOT ABOUT THAT AND DID AN EXCELLENT JOB  FIGURING OUT WHAT KIND OF CRITERIA TO LOOK FOR TO MAKE  SURE FOLKS ARE INTERESTED IN UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES,  STAYING IN NEW MEXICO AND GOING TO A RURAL LOCATION.

I THINK THE RURAL PIECE THIS YEAR WAS PARTICULARLY POWERFUL  AND HAS BEEN VARIABLE OVER THE PAST YEARS AND SO DR. WALDMAN,  DR. KAUFMAN WAS INVOLVED, TOO, REALLY INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON  AN URBAN RESIDENCY, CREATING A RURAL RESIDENCY SO THEY HAVE  CREATED A RURAL RESIDENCY AT IHS AT SHIPROCK.

FIRST IHS RESIDENCY EVER.

THEY ARE RECRUITING FIRST  CLASS THIS YEAR AND SO THERE IS A LOT MORE GOING ON THAT  JUST AT UNMH IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE PEOPLE STAY IN NEW  MEXICO AND GO TO RURAL NEW MEXICO AS WELL.

>> Matt: IHS BEING INDIAN HEALTH SERVICE.

THAT IS PRETTY REMARKABLE.

DR. PATEL, WHEN YOU WERE  LOOKING AT PLACES WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE A RESIDENT,  WHAT DREW YOU TO THIS PROGRAM?

DID SOME OF THAT STUFF  DR. MCCLAIN WAS TALKING ABOUT PLAY INTO YOUR CHOICE?

>> Patel: CERTAINLY.

I GREW UP HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE  AND IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME TO TRAIN WHERE I CALL HOME  AND START WITH A COMMUNITY THAT HELPED ME WHEN I WAS  BEING RAISED.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A  PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO BE PART OF THE UNM FAMILY  MEDICINE RESIDENCY PROGRAM.

AND I THINK THE COLLEAGUES AND  MENTORS THAT I WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH REALLY HELPED SHAPE  MY DECISION TO SERVE THE RURAL COMMUNITIES IN NEW MEXICO.

>> Matt: THAT IS SOMETHING THAT STRIKES ME AS POTENTIALLY  BEING A CHANGE IN THE WAY RESIDENTS ARE THINKING ABOUT  HOW THEY WANT TO SERVE.

I KNOW THAT WORKING IN A BIG  HOSPITAL, IN A BIG CITY WITH LOTS OF AMENITIES MIGHT BE  ATTRACTIVE BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE RESIDENTS ARE THINKING A  LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY HOW THEY WANT TO START THEIR  MEDICAL CAREERS.

>> Patel: RIGHT, IN FAMILY  MEDICINE WE ARE TRAINED TO BE GENERALISTS AND WE RECOGNIZE  THAT OUR SKILLS ARE NEEDED AND ALSO SOMETIMES BEST SERVED IN  RURAL AREAS WHERE ACCESS TO RESOURCES MIGHT BE LIMITED.

EVEN MORE LIMITED THAN IN ALBUQUERQUE.

SO, THROUGH THE ROBUST TRAINING PROCESS PROVIDED BY  OUR RESIDENCY PROGRAM, I THINK MY COLLEAGUES AND I REALIZE WE  WOULD BE ABLE TO KIND OF STEP INTO FILLING NEEDS OUTSIDE OF  ALBUQUERQUE.

>> Matt: DR. ARTHUR KAUFMAN,  YOU HAVE HAD A LONG HISTORY WITH THIS PROGRAM.

DOCTORS AND THEIR PARTNERS AS THEY LOOK AT PLACES THEY WANT  TO LIVE AND BEGIN THEIR CAREER, I KNOW THEY CAN FEEL  ISOLATED, NOT JUST  GEOGRAPHICALLY BUT SOCIALLY.

HOW DO YOU ADDRESS SOME OF  THOSE NEEDS THAT EVERYONE HAS BUT THAT MIGHT BE PARTICULARLY  DIFFICULT FOR DOCTORS?

>> Kaufman: I THINK YOU HAVE  TO CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT IN SMALLER COMMUNITIES WHICH NOT  JUST REPLICATE WHAT WE HAVE IN URBAN AREAS BUT GOES BEYOND IT  IN MANY WAYS.

SMALLER COMMUNITIES ARE VERY  SUPPORTIVE OF EACH OTHER AND SOMETIMES IN LARGE COMMUNITIES  PEOPLE FEEL ANONYMOUS AND LONELY.

BUT THE SMALLER COMMUNITIES EVERYONE KNOWS EACH OTHER AND  IT IS VERY ATTRACTIVE ESPECIALLY TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE  NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE SO THAT WE CREATED, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE  DR. PATEL IS GOING, CREATED A LOVINGTON AND HOBBS ALMOST AS  A LEARNING DESTINATION.

STUDENTS, RESIDENTS, OTHERS  ARE ALL GOING THERE SO THEY ARE NOT ISOLATED, THEY ARE  PART OF A LARGER COMMUNITY AND THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO  IS INVESTING IN DECENTRALIZING OUR RESOURCES NOT JUST IN  FAMILY MEDICINE BUT IN NURSING, PHARMACY, PHYSICAL  THERAPY SO THERE IS A WHOLE COMMUNITY THAT SUPPORTS EACH  ONE OF THOSE PRACTITIONERS.

>> Matt: IN THE PAST WOULD A  RESIDENCY WITH FAMILY AND COMMUNITY MEDICINE, WOULD THAT  HAVE TAKEN PLACE PRIMARILY AT UNMH AT THE HOSPITAL HERE IN  ALBUQUERQUE?

>> Kaufman: ALMOST ALL  TRAINING TRADITIONALLY IS IN LARGE ACADEMIC HEALTH CENTERS  AND LARGE CITIES.

BECAUSE THE INCENTIVES WERE  THERE BUT NOW ESPECIALLY WITH THE LEADERSHIP IN OUR STATE,  WE ARE DEVELOPING MODELS WITH PARTNER COMMUNITY HOSPITALS,  PARTNER COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTERS AND STATE GOVERNMENT  TO SHIFT THAT WHERE RESOURCES ARE GOING TO COMMUNITIES TO  HIRE AND TRAIN RESIDENTS.

THAT MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE  IN THE WORLD.

I USED TO WORK AT THE INDIAN  HEALTH SERVICE.

IT CHANGED MY LIFE.

I SAW THE WORLD IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

WE HAVE TO GIVE OUR RESIDENTS COMMUNITY EXPERIENCES WHICH  CHANGE ATTITUDES AND WHERE THOSE COMMUNITIES BECOME FAR  MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN WHAT THEY CAN DO IN A LARGE URBAN  CENTER.

>> Matt: DR. MCCLAIN, ARE  RESIDENTS OR PERSPECTIVE RESIDENTS ARE THEY RESPONDING  TO THIS TYPE OF A PROGRAM?

>> McClain: IT IS AMAZING.

I THINK UNM HAS BEEN A LEADER IN CREATING FAMILY MEDICINE  DOCTORS FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

WE HAVE A VERY STRONG PROGRAM  AND BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH EXCELLENT RESIDENTS THAT COME  THEY ARE ALSO GOOD AT HELPING MEDICAL STUDENTS SEEING HOW  POWERFUL FAMILY MEDICINE IS AND IT IS AMAZING TO WORK WITH  BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A LOT OF WORK.

WE ATTRACT THESE RESIDENTS AND THEN THE RESIDENTS KIND OF DO  THAT WONDERFUL WORK FOR THEMSELVES AND I THINK THEY  HAVE JUST DONE AN AMAZING JOB.

THEY COME IN PASSIONATE TO  WORK FOR UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES AND THEY DEDICATE  THEIR ENERGY AND TIME AND THEIR FUTURES TO DOING THAT  AND I THAT WE JUST DID -- WE DON'T CREATE THAT IN THE  RESIDENCY PROGRAM.

WE JUST FACILITATE THE  EDUCATION THEY KIND OF WANT.

AND SO I THINK IT SEEMS LIKE  THE MEDICAL -- FUTURE OF MEDICINE REALLY IS, I THINK,  MIRRORED IN OUR RESIDENTS AND I THINK THE MEDICAL STUDENTS  WE WORK WITH, THEIR DRIVE IS TO SERVE UNDERSERVED, GO  RURAL, DO ALL THE THINGS THAT FAMILY MEDICINE DOCTORS CAN DO  THAT OTHER SPECIALTIES CAN'T DO.

IT IS EXCITING TO BE A PART OF IT AND BE ABLE TO FACILITATE  THAT.

>> Matt: DR. PATEL, YOU ARE  ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE IN THE PROGRAM WHO ACTUALLY IS FROM  NEW MEXICO AND CHOSE TO STAY HERE.

SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF THE FOLKS, AT LEAST IN THIS CLASS, WHO  CHOSE TO STAY HERE WEREN'T FROM HERE.

HAVE YOU DISCUSSED THOSE CHOICES TO STAY IN NEW MEXICO  AND WORK IN RURAL HOSPITALS WITH ANY OF YOUR CLASSMATES OR  FOLKS IN THAT RESIDENCY CLASS?

>> Patel: YES.

I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE ROBUST OPPORTUNITIES TO TRAIN IN  RURAL SITES THROUGHOUT OUR RESIDENCY PROGRAM AND THAT  ALLOWS PEOPLE WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE RURAL  COMMUNITIES OF NEW MEXICO TO ACTUALLY HAVE STRONG TRAINING  OPPORTUNITIES WHILE THEY ARE COMPLETING A RESIDENCY  PROGRAM.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT  WAS A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF HAVING PEOPLE DECIDE TO GO  RURAL BUT IT IS TRUE, WE ARE COMPETING NATIONALLY FOR  RESIDENTS TO COME TO NEW MEXICO.

WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE WHO TRAIN IN NEW MEXICO WILL STAY,  STATISTICALLY HAVE A HIGHER LIKELIHOOD OF STAYING.

SO, I THINK, WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE AS A STATE  UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO NEEDS TO ATTRACT RESIDENTS SO THAT  WE CAN CONVINCE THEM TO STAY AFTER THEY ARE DONE WITH THEIR  TRAINING.

>> Matt: HAVING A CHANCE TO  WORK IN A RURAL HOSPITAL OR RURAL MEDICAL SETTING PRIOR TO  ACTUALLY TAKING A JOB IN A PLACE LIKE LOVINGTON, HOW DID  THAT PLAY INTO YOUR EDUCATION AND EXCITEMENT FOR HEADING OUT  INTO SORT OF THE WILDS OF NEW MEXICO, AT LEAST AS FOLKS FROM  MAYBE ALBUQUERQUE, SANTA FE AND LAS CRUCES SEE IT?

>> Patel: WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVEN THOUGH WE ARE  PRIMARILY SERVING PATIENTS IN ALBUQUERQUE MANY PATIENTS HAVE  FOOTPRINTS IN RURAL AREAS.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BE RURAL  VERY QUICKLY EVEN IF YOU LIVE IN ALBUQUERQUE, SANTA FE AREA.

SO, MY CONTINUITY CLINIC SITE, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS IN  ALBUQUERQUE INDIAN HEALTH CENTER WHICH IS AN IHS  FACILITY AND MANY MOVE PATIENTS WERE TRAVELING MANY,  MANY MILES, HOURS TO COME TO SEE THEIR PROVIDER HERE IN  ALBUQUERQUE.

SO,   I THINK EVEN IF YOU ARE PRACTICING IN ALBUQUERQUE, YOU  RECOGNIZE THAT OUR STATE IS VERY RURAL AND I THINK BEING A  FAMILY MEDICINE PHYSICIAN WE RECOGNIZE THAT EVEN THOUGH WE  SERVE PATIENTS IN ALBUQUERQUE, NEEDS ARE EVEN GREATER OUTSIDE  OF THE CITY.

>> Matt: SURE.

AS YOU LOOK AT THE FUTURE OF THIS PROGRAM, DO YOU FEEL LIKE  THE FUTURE IS OF A MORE DECENTRALIZED MODEL?

>> Kaufman: YES, I THINK THE MODEL THAT DR. PATEL AND  DR. MCCLAIN ARE DEVELOPING REALLY DEMONSTRATES A HUGE  CHANGE IN OUR THINKING ABOUT TRAINING.

BECAUSE, IT HAS TO BE DRIVEN BY COMMUNITY NEED NOT  NECESSARILY BIG CITY HOSPITAL NEED.

AND ONE OF THE DATA FRAGMENTS THAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT IF  YOU CAN LOCATE A GRADUATE PHYSICIAN IN A RURAL  COMMUNITY, THAT PHYSICIAN GENERATES ABOUT A MILLION  DOLLARS IN BUSINESS FOR THAT COMMUNITY.

IT SUSTAINS RURAL HOSPITALS, IT BRINGS JOBS TO THAT  COMMUNITY, RAISES THE TAX BASE.

THERE IS A HUGE ECONOMIC IMPACT AND THAT IS WHY THERE  IS SO MUCH INTEREST IN THIS KIND OF PROGRAM.

GRADUATE EDUCATION IS NOT JUST FOR A FEW DOCTORS.

IT IS THE IMPACT ON COMMUNITY HEALTH THAT IS SO IMPORTANT.

>> Matt: DO YOU GET THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLACES TO PUT  YOUR RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, IN RURAL COMMUNITIES?

DO YOU HEAR FROM NOT JUST THE HOSPITALS AND CLINICS BUT, YOU  KNOW, FROM THE MAYORS, COUNCIL AND THINGS LIKE THAT?

>> McCLAIN: THAT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST DRAWS.

WE HAVE A REQUIRED RURAL ROTATION FOR ALL OF OUR  RESIDENTS AND WE HAVE RELATIONSHIPS REALLY STRONG  AND IMPORTANT RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE INDIAN HEALTH SERVICE  AT ZUNI, SHIPROCK.

WE HAVE SITES AT GALLUP AND  THERE ARE A NUMBER OF RESIDENCY PROGRAMS AT RURAL  SITES, SILVER CITY.

SANTA FE IS STILL CONSIDERED  RURAL ALTHOUGH I THINK THAT IS KIND OF FUNNY AND WE WORK  CLOSELY WITH THEM AS WELL.

WHAT HAPPENS IS RESIDENTS GO  TO THE SITES AND SEE WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE A RURAL  PHYSICIAN AND SEE HOW -- WHAT AN IMPORTANT BUT ALSO PARTNER  ROLE THEY PLAY WITH THE COMMUNITY, THAT IT IS NOT JUST  A DOCTOR BEING IN CLINIC, SEEING PATIENTS AND HAVING  KIND OF ISOLATED FROM THAT RELATIONAL PIECE.

THEY GO INTO THE COMMUNITY AND I HAD THAT SAME EXPERIENCE AT  SHIPROCK, YOU GO INTO A COMMUNITY, AND JUST LIKE WHAT  DR. KAUFMAN WAS SAYING, IT FEELS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND  FEELS MORE POWERFUL IN TERMS OF THE RELATIONAL PIECE WHICH  IS SO IMPORTANT FOR FAMILY MEDICINE.

PRIMARY CARE IS ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS AND ABOUT  BUILDING CONNECTION WITH PEOPLE.

AND I THINK IF YOU HAVE CAPACITY TO DO THAT IN A  COMMUNITY SETTING IT FEELS LIKE SO MANY OF US FEEL THAT  IS WHAT FAMILY MEDICINE IS ALL ABOUT AND THOSE RURAL  ROTATIONS ARE JUST SO IMPORTANT FOR THAT EXPERIENCE  THAT WE MAY NEVER HAVE HAD BEFORE AND I THINK THAT MAY  HAVE A LARGE PART IN WHY WE HAD RESIDENTS LIKE CLAMORING  TO GET TO ZUNI WHEN THEY GRADUATED, CLAMORING TO GET TO  SHIPROCK.

WE HAVE TWO FOLKS GOING TO  GALLUP.

WE HAVE TWO FOLKS GOING TO  SANTA ROSA.

THEY HAD THAT EXPERIENCE IN  THE RURAL SETTING THAT THEY DON'T GET IN A MORE URBAN  SETTING AND I THINK THAT HAD A LOT TO DO WITH WHY THEY  STAYED.

>> Matt: IT'S AN ENCOURAGING  RESULT AND THANK YOU ALL FOR THE TIME YOU SPENT THINKING  ABOUT IT AND THE TIME YOU SPENT TALKING WITH US ABOUT  IT.

THANKS FOR YOUR WORK, WE  APPRECIATE IT.

>> Gene:   I HAVE A QUESTION, ARE YOU HONESTLY ALL THAT  SHOCKED WE ARE BACK WHERE WE ARE ON MASK USAGE?

NOT IN THAT, I TOLD YOU SO, KIND OF WAY BUT MORE OF A  CONFIRMATION, NO, WE ARE PAST NOTHING AND NEVER WERE.

I AM INTERESTED ALSO IN WATCHING THE POLITICAL  CALCULUS AT THIS POINT.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, NO  GOVERNOR HAS TRULY WON OR LOST THE COVID FIGHT.

IT IS JUST A NEW PHASE.

WHICH MEANS EACH GOVERNOR IS GOING  TO BE MANAGING THIS COVID FIGHT AND CORRESPONDING  CRITICISM FOR THOSE DECISION THEY HAVE TO MAKE RIGHT UP TO  ELECTION SEASON AND POSSIBLY RIGHT UP TO ELECTION DAY.

FOR NOW IT IS BACK TO THE FIGHT.

YOU DIDN'T THINK THIS WAS GOING TO BE A ONE-ROUND  KNOCKDOWN, DID YOU?

NO WAY.

THANKS FOR JOINING US AND STAYING INFORMED AND ENGAGED.

SEE YOU AGAIN NEXT WEEK, IN FOCUS.