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>> CATHY: LOTS OF BIG TOPICS TONIGHT.

WE'LL LEARN ABOUT ADDITIONAL WORKERS BEING BROUGHT IN TO MINNESOTA HOSPITALS AS THEY STRUGGLE TO TREAT THE INFLUX OF COVID PATIENTS.

WE'LL PREVIEW THE TRIAL OF KIMBERLY POTTER IN THE KILLING OF DAUNTE WRIGHT.

KAOMI LEE WILL PROFILE THE FIRST NATIVE AMERICAN CITY COUNCILWOMAN IN BEMIDJI.

AND THEN MARY LAHAMMER WILL LOOK AT THE RETURN OF A FABLED NAME IN MINNESOTA RETAILING.

>> Mary: HISTORIC DAYTONS DEPARTMENT STORE IN DOWNTOWN MINNEAPOLIS IS OPENING A NEW CHAPTER.

WE'LL HAVE SOME HISTORIC CONTEXT.

>> IT'S NOT JUST HUGE, IT'S CRITICAL, THESE PROJECTS, ABSOLUTELY WILL NEVER HAPPEN WITHOUT THOSE TOOLS.

>> Mary: THAT'S COMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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>> CATHY: LATER IN THE HOUR, WE'LL TALK JOBS, RENT CONTROL, AND TREAT YOU TO AN ESSAY BY DAVID GILLETTE.

BUT FIRST UP, HOW A SURGE IN COVID CASES HAS MINNESOTA HOSPITALS IN NEED OF HELP.

>> ERIC: MINNESOTA REMAINS THE NATION'S COVID HOT SPOT, TOPPING THE NATION'S LIST OF STATES WITH THE HIGHEST PER CAPITA RATE OF NEW DAILY CASES.

DEMAND FOR HOSPITALS IN MINNESOTA EXCEEDS CAPACITY.

TWO TEAMS OF MEDICAL WORKERS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE WILL ARRIVE IN MINNESOTA NEXT WEEK TO HELP MANAGE CARE.

HERE WITH MORE, DR. RAHUL KORANNE, THE HEAD OF THE MINNESOTA HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION.

>> THINGS ARE PRETTY CRITICAL RIGHT NOW ACROSS OUR STATE, FROM A HOSPITAL'S PERSPECTIVE.

THESE TWO DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE ARE FEDERAL TEAMS THAT THE GOVERNOR AND THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH HAVE LINED UP ARE CERTAINLY GOING TO HELP.

WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THE STATE IS DOING TO BRING US INCREASING HELP BUT WE NEED MUCH MORE.

OUR HOSPITALES AND HEALTH CARE WORKERS ARE IN A CRISIS AND OUR BEDS ARE FULL, OUR ICUs ARE FULL, WE HAVE BEDS LINED 'IN THE HALLWAYS, IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, SO THIS IS NOT THE NEWS THAT I ANTED TO SHARE BEFORE GOING INTO THANKSGIVING.

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>> Cathy: CAN YOU GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHO IS IN THE HOSPITAL, IS IT A MIX OF COVID AND INDIVIDUALS WHO SEEKING FREMONT FOR OTHER ILLNESS?

>> THE VOLUME THAT WE'RE SEEING ACROSS OUR STATE IN ALL OF THE OSPITALS, SO THIS IS HALLOCK, MINNESOTA, INTERNATIONAL FALLS, MINNESOTA, THIS IS ROCHESTER, St.

CLOUD, TWIN CITIES, YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR METRO AND RURAL HOSPITALS.

WE'RE SEEING VOLUME OF MEDICAL CASES, WE'RE SEEING HIGH VOLUMES OF STROKES, OF HEART ATTACKS, PEOPLE NEEDING OUR INTENSIVE CARE UNIT AND WE'RE INCREASING SEEING AN INCREASING NUMBER OF COVID CASES THAT ARE IN OUR EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS AND IN OUR ICU.S.

SO IT'S ALL OF THE ABOVE.

WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT ALL THOSE PATIENTS THAT DEFERRED CARE AND THEIR MEDICAL CONDITIONS JUST DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO DEFER CARE ANYMORE.

SO THEY'RE COMING N, STROKES, HEART ATTACKS AND COVID.

IT'S ALL OF THE ABOVE THAT'S CAUSING THIS VERY HIGH VOLUME THAT WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH.

>> DOCTOR, I THINK EARLIER IN THE PANDEMIC, IT WAS HEALTH CARE WORKERS WERE MISSING BECAUSE THEY GOT SICK.

NOW IT'S MORE OF A CASE OF THEY'RE LEAVING THE PROFESSIONALTOGETHER AND THE MINNESOTA NURSES ASSOCIATION WANT TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO THEIR CRITIQUE, THEY'RE BLAMING YEARS OF HOSPITAL COST-CUTTING AND UNDERSTAFFING ON THIS CRISIS.

WHAT -- HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

>> YOU KNOW, OUR HEALTH CARE HEROS, WHICH INCLUDE OUR NURSES, OUR PHYSICIANS, OUR FARM 6S, OUR THERAPISTS, BUT ALSO ENVIRONMENTAL PROFESSIONAL STAFF THAT HAVE WORKED SO DILIGENTLY OVER THE HOLIDAYS, OVER THE WEEKEND, AT NIGHT, CLEANING THESE ROOMS, IT'S ALL THESE STAFF THAT MAKE UP A CARE TEAM SO EVERYBODY'S BEEN WORKING TOGETHER.

YOU'RE RIGHT THAT WHAT -- WHAT WAS A CRISIS ALREADY BEFORE THE VIRUS SHOWED UP IN MINNESOTA LAST MARCH, WE HAD THOUSANDS OF JOBS OPEN ALREADY, AND NOW, WE HAVE THESE HEALTH CARE HEROS WHO HAVE BEEN RUNNING THIS ULTRA MARATHON, DAY IN, AND NIGHT IN, AND THEY'RE EXHAUSTED.

I SPEAK TO NURSES AND PHYSICIANS ALL THE TIME.

THEY'RE EXHAUSTED, THEY'RE BONE TIRED AND ONE IN FIVE HEALTH CARE WORKERS ACROSS THE NATION IS LEAVING HEALTH CARE.

IT'S BECAUSE OF THE EXHAUSTION THAT WE'RE FEELING BECAUSE OF THIS NEVER-ENDING PANDEMIC WITH NO ENDS IN >> HOW DISEASE APPOINTED ARE YOU AND OTHER STAFFERS THAT THERE'S NO HERO PAY THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS PASSED TO RECOGNIZE THE SACRIFICE THE FRONT-LINE WORKERS HAVE MADE.

>> I WOULD SAY VERY DISAPPOINTED.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE REGULAR SESSION, 202022 REGULAR SESSION, THAT IS SLATED TO BEGIN ON JANUARY 30th.

THAT'S TWO AND A HALF MONTHS AWAY, TWO AND A HALF MONTHS OF BONE-BREAKING WORK, OF TAKING CARE OF PATIENTS, IF YOU'RE A NURSING ASSISTANT, THERE'S SEVEN, EIGHT, TEN OF US THAT ARE NEEDED TO TURN A PATIENT WHO HAS COVID ON A VENTILATOR.

THOSE WORKERS -- THOSE HEALTH CARE HERO, OUR HEROS WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING SO HARDY SEVER TO BE RECOGNIZED, AND IT SHOULD NOT BE JUST A SMALL AMOUNT.

IT NEEDS TO BE A MEANINGFUL AMOUNT, GREATER THAN $1,000.

AROUND THE YEAR END, WHERE A NURSING ASSISTANT OR ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALIST OR PROFESSIONAL, CAN MAKE USE OF IT AT THE END OF THE Y WE NEED TO GET IT DONE SO I WOULD SAY VERY DISAPPOINTED.

WE REALLY HOPE THAT ALL THE PARTIES CAN REACH ACROSS THE AISLE AND GET THIS DONE.

OUR HEALTH CARE WORKERS -- WORKERS DESERVE THIS GESTURE.

>> Eric: WILL THE BOOSTERS FOR ALL ADULTS HELP?

CAN'T SAY IT BUT... >> THE BOOSTERS ARE GOING TO HELP.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ASK ME HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT THAN LAST YEAR?

YOU KNOW, I WAS ON YOUR SHOW LAST YEAR, I WAS TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE SIMILAR THINGS ABOUT HERE AND TO THE PAND PANDEMIC.

TEST, TEST.

THROUGH A UNIQUE CONSORTIUM WITH THE MAJOR HEALTH SYSTEMS WHO LOOK AT THE ELECTRONIC HEALTH RECORDS AND ARE ABLE TO MATCH THAT TO OUR STATEWIDE IMMUNIZATION REGISTRY AND SO THAT PROCESS TAKES A COUPLE WEEKS, SO THAT DATA, IF YOU LOOK AT IT RIGHT NOW AGS BY A COUPLE WEEKS SO WE'VE ONLY HAD VACCINATION FOR FIVE TO 11-YEAR-OLDS FOR COVID-19 FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS SO WE VERY MUCH WILL HAVE THAT DATA AVAILABLE PUBLICLY SOON BUT JUST THE WAY IT'S SET UP, MAKES THAT DIFFICULT.

BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO BOTH BE BLE TO FOCUS AND SEE WHERE THOSE GAPS ARE AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE INTENTION ALT ABOUT ADDRESSING THEM SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE RECENTLY KIND OF CELEBRATED IS HOW WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB IN DECREASING THE GAPS THAT WE SEE EARLY IN THE VACCINATION EFFORT SO WHEN WE LOOK BACK AT VACCINATION RATES BACK IN THE BEGINNING OF MAY OF THIS YEAR, WE SAW THAT BETWEEN BLACK MINNESOTANS AND THE STATEWIDE AVERAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WAS A 20% GAM IN VACCINATION RATES AND THAT GAP AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MONTH FOR MINNESOTANS WAS ONLY ABOUT 7% WHEN WE LOOK AT THE GAP BETWEEN HISPANIC MINNESOTANS PANNED STATEWIDE AVERAGE BACK IN THE BEGINNING OF MAY, IT WAS AROUND 17% AND NOW THAT GAP IS ABOUT 3%.

SO WE GOT THERE WITH A LOT OF INTENTIONAL EFFORT RECOGNIZING THAT THE GAP WAS THERE.

WE'VE BEEN ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE BEEN ABLE TO EVEN LOOK AT MORE DETAIL, LOOK AT ZIP ODE LEVELS, LOOK AT COUNTY LEVELS AND REALLY FOCUS ON WHAT THE GAPS ARE AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE NEED THAT DATA FOR THE 5 TO 11 PUSH AND THE HOPE IS THAT THOSE GAPS DON'T APPEAR AS WIDE OR CLOSE EVEN FASTER.

>> CATHY: THIS WEEK, THE HISTORIC FORMER DAYTON'S DEPARTMENT STORE IN DOWNTOWN MINNEAPOLIS REOPENED ITS DOORS TO THE PUBLIC.

THE DAYTON'S PROJECT BEARS THE NAME OF THE DAYTON FAMILY, BUT THEY ARE NOT FORMALLY INVOLVED IN THE NEW VENTURE FEATURING BUSINESS AND RETAIL OPPORTUNITIES IN RENOVATED SPACES ON THE NICOLLET MALL.

REPORTER MARY LAHAMMER TAKES US INSIDE THE ENORMOUS BUILDING WITH AN EYE ON THE IMPORTANCE OF THE HISTORY OF THE PLACE.

[Cheering] >> Mary: DOWNTOWN DAYTON'S IS BACK, OFFICIALLY THE DAYTON'S PROJECT AND A COMPLETELY NEW CONCEPT THAT CURRENTLY FEATURES A SEASONAL MAKERS' MARKET FULL OF LOCAL OFFERINGS, SOME OF WHICH THROW BACK THE ORIGINAL NOSTALGIA OF THE STATE PREMIER DEPARTMENT STORE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS MEANS FOR MINNESOTA HISTORY AS A FORMER MAYOR, REPORTER, PERSON WHO KNOWS MINNEAPOLIS AND MINNESOTA?

>> THERE ARE VERY FEW PLACES MORE THAN THE DAYTON'S DOWNTOWN THAT MEAN SOMETHING TO ALMOST EVERYBODY.

FOR ME IT'S WHERE WE WOULD COME WHEN WE WOULD SEE MY DAD WHO WAS RUNNING THE WALGREENS AT 9th AND NICOLLET, WHERE MY WIFE WAS WORKING WHEN I MET HER AS A REPORTER.

>> Mary: ENTERTAINMENT, OFFICE, RETAIL, FITNESS, ARE ALL PART OF THE 10,000 QUARE FEET OF AMENITIES THAT ARE JUST A SMALL SLICE OF THE EXPANSIVE SPACE STILL UNDER DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT TO THE TUNE OF $350 MILLION SO FAR.

♪ OH, BUT THEY'RE SO SPACED OUT?

>> IT'S BEEN A HELL OF A TOUGH COUPLE OF YEARS NOR EVERYBODY AND THE FACT THAT THESE INVESTORS STAYED IN IT, THESE MAKERS ARE OPENING TONIGHT SHOWS THE GRIT OF MINNESOTANS.

WE CAN GET THROUGH WINTERS AND WE CAN GET THROUGH PANDEMICS.

>> Mary: WILL PEOPLE OME?

ARE THEY WORRIED ABOUT SAFETY DOWNTOWN?

>> WELL, PEOPLE WILL, I THINK, DEFINITELY COME BUT IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, HE WORLD IS DIFFERENT RIGHT NOW.

BUT DOWNTOWN IS A MUCH MORE COMPLICATED PLACE THAN THE CARTOON WE HEAR ABOUT.

I'M DOWN HERE EVERY DAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE ISSUES LIKE THERE ARE EVERYWHERE AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND IT'S DRAMATICALLY BETTER THAN MOST PEOPLE TALK ABOUT.

>> Mary: OR GENERATIONS, MINNESOTANS MADE A PILGRIMAGE TO DOWNTOWN MINNEAPOLIS TO SEE THE STUNNING CHRISTMAS DISPLAYS AND CURRENT FASHIONS.

THAT BACK STORY IS IMPORTANT TO THE FUTURE.

OBVIOUSLY DAYTON'S DEPARTMENT STORE IS A HISTORIC LOCATION.

HOW MUCH DID THE HISTORY FACTOR N ON THIS PROJECT?

>> THE HISTORY WAS A TREMENDOUS FACTOR IN HOW THIS PROJECT WAS CONCEIVED AND DESIGNED AND I'LL SAY ALSO CONSTRUCTED.

IT WAS ALL ABOUT BRINGING AND RETAINING HISTORY WHICH WAS PART OF WHAT WE DO NOT WANTED TO DO AS A PROJECT BUT ALSO WHAT WE HAD TO DO BECAUSE OF THE CERTIFIED PROJECT FOR TAX CREDITS.

>> Mary: AS MUCH AS 40% OF THE COSTS WILL BE OMING BACK IN STATE AND FEDERAL HISTORIC TAX CREDITS.

HOW MUCH DO SOME OF THOSE TAX CREDITS HELP INCENTIVIZE A PROJECT OF THIS EXTENT AND SCALE?

>> AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THEY'RE 20% OF YOUR QUALIFIED EXPENSES SO THAT'S YOUR HARD COSTS, ALL YOUR CONSTRUCTION COSTS, AS WELL AS A LOT F YOUR SOFT COSTS, DESIGN COSTS AND AT THE STATE LEVEL, WE MATCH THAT, MINNESOTA MATCHES THAT.

THE MINNESOTA STATE HISTORIC TAX CREDIT HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 2010 AND AT THIS POINT IT'S SET TO SUNSET IN A YEAR.

SO PEOPLE LIKE ME AND PEOPLE THAT REVITALLIZE MINNESOTA ARE WORKING REALLY HARD TO HAVE THE LEGISLATURE EXPAND THE PROGRAM BECAUSE PROJECTS LIKE THIS WON'T HAPPEN WITHOUT IT.

ED.

>> Mary: THIS BUILDING IS ENORMOUS SO THE SCALE OF IT HAS TO BE BIGGER THAN SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE LOOKED AT BEFORE.

>> THIS IS BY FAR THE BIGGEST PROJECT I'VE WORKED ON, AT ONE POINT 2 MILLION SQUARE FEET.

>> Mary: MUCH OF THE BUILDING IS STILL AWAITING MORE DEVELOPMENT BUILD IN THE MEANTIME, THEY'RE PRESERVING AND FEATURING EVERY HISTORIC DETAIL POSSIBLE.

>> IT'S ALMOST HARD TO FIND A SPACE WHERE THEY'RE NOT INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN BUT YOU AND I STANDING HERE ON THE FIRST FLOOR, THIS WAS THE FIRST FLOOR THAT WAS THE CENTER OF RETAIL FOR MINNEAPOLIS FOR DECADES.

THE RETAIL FLOOR ALONE HAS THE ORIGINAL COME LUMPS, THE PLASTER, HAS THE HIGH CEILINGS, IT HAS THE FLOORS.

IT'S EVERYTHING THAT YOU AS A SHOPPER WOULD WANT YOUR RETAIL EXPERIENCE TO BE.

A GREAT ONE THAT HAS DONE GREAT THINGS TO THIS COMMUNITY AND I THINK THIS IS ABOUT OUR COLLECTIVE EXCELLENCE.

>> Mary: THE EXCELLENCE IN CIVIC ENGAGEMENT, PHILANTHROPY AND BUSINESS THAT STILL BEARS THE DAYTON NAME MORE THAN A CENTURY AFTER THE DOORS FIRST OPENED.

>> DAYTON'S WAS DAYTON'S BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE SMALL EXPECTATIONS FOR MINNEAPOLIS, THEY THOUGHT BIG.

THE CITY TO BE WHAT IT DESERVES TO BE NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO THINK BIG AND I THINK THIS BUILDING OPENING AGAINST ALL ODDS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT'S TO COME AND THAT'S A GOOD THING.

>> ERIC: THE CITY OF BEMIDJI IS SURROUNDED BY THREE OF THE LARGEST NATIVE AMERICAN RESERVATIONS IN THE STATE, RED LAKE, LEECH LAKE AND WHITE EARTH.

MORE THAN 10% OF THE CITY'S RESIDENTS ARE NATIVE AMERICAN.

BUT FOR YEARS, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN EQUITABLY REPRESENTED IN BEMIDJI'S CITY LEADERSHIP.

THAT IS, UNTIL THIS PAST YEAR.

LET'S TAKE A LOOK AS OUR ONE GREATER MINNESOTA REPORTER KAOMI LEE TRAVELED TO BEMIDJI TO MEET THE CITY'S FIRST NATIVE AMERICAN CITY COUNCILWOMAN.

>> I'LL CALL FROM MY CITY PHONE INSTEAD OF MY PERSONAL PHONE.

HE MATE ANSWER.

>> BEMIDJI CITY COUNCIL WOMAN AUDREY THAYER SPENDS A LOT OF TIME JUGGLING.

SHE'S OFTEN TEAM HER ONLINE GOVERNMENT CLASS TO COLLEGE STUDENTS.

ON THE PHONE ATTENDING TO CONSTITUENT NEEDS, OR KEEPING UP ITH VARIOUS CITY EMAILS THAT COME IN.

>> KEEP MY COLLEGE ONE HERE, SO MY DAY JOB.

AND THEN I HAVE -- I KEEP GMAIL GOING AND CITY AND THEN I'M ABLE TO CHECK.

>> BEING A TEACHER IS HER CALLING.

>> SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A HIGH SELF-ESTEEM OF THEMSELVES, THEY BELIEVE THEY CAN'T DO THINGS THAT ARE IMAGINABLE.

>> A YEAR AGO, THE 70-YEAR-OLD MADE HEADLINES BEING ELECTED AS THE CITY'S FIRST NATIVE AMERICAN CITY COUNCILWOMAN.

BUT IT'S CLEAR SHE'S MORE THAN JUST A TITLE.

>> 'M AUDREY THAYER FROM THE WHITE EARTH RESERVATION, JUST WEST OF BEMIDJI.

I'M A CITIZEN OF THE CITY OF BEMIDJI, I SIT ON THE CITY COUNCIL, I'M AN INSTRUCTOR FOR THE LEECH LAKE TRIBAL COLLEGE WHICH I'M VERY HUMBLED TO BE THAT.

>> SHE RECEIVED HER SPIRITUAL NAME, EAGLE HEAD, WHILE IN HER 20s.

TODAY SHE SAYS IT JUST FITS.

>> BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT PEOPLE AND COMMUNITY AND I WANT CHANGE AND I BELIEVE IN SERVANT LEADERSHIP AND THAT MEANS THAT YOU WORK ALONGSIDE EVERYBODY AND YOU'RE NEVER AHEAD IN A SENSE OF OVER OR ABOVE ANYONE, AND YOU'RE ALWAYS BEING WATCHFUL.

>> WHY DO YOU THINK MAYBE PEOPLE DON'T COMMONLY KNOW ABOUT YOU?

>> OH, I'M PRETTY -- I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE WHAT I LEARNED EARLY ON THAT YOU NEVER NOT LET PEOPLE KNOW THINGS BECAUSE THEY'LL USE THAT FOR KITCHEN TABLE TALK OF THINGS THAT YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT.

I'VE LIVED HERE IN THE BEMIDJI AREA FOR 30 YEARS AND IT HAS BEEN SOMETIMES OT THE BEST OF THOSE 30 YEARS, LOSING A CHILD, JUST HOW WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND A DOMINANT CULTURE'S RULES AND REGULATIONS IN LIFE.

>> AND BUY BEING AUTHENTIC AND REAL, SHE'S EEN ABLE TO FIND SUPPORTERS AND DISARM CRITICS, ALIKE.

ANOTHER TALENT IS ER ABILITY TO BUILD BRIDGES.

THE CHILD OF A WHITE FATHER AND NATIVE AMERICAN MOTHER FROM HE GULF LAKE REMOVAL BAND, THAYER WAS BORN THIS CHICAGO AND LATER GREW UP IN A FARM IN WISCONSIN.

SHE SAW FIRSTHAND THAT PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS COULD RESPECT ONE ANOTHER.

THAI THAYER LATER MOVED TO BEMIDJI WITH HER GRANDMOTHER.

SHE MARRIED TWICE BUT ENDED UP RAISING EIGHT CHILDREN ON HER OWN.

SHE HAS KNOWN HARDSHIP.

>> 30 YEARS OF LIVING IN BEMIDJI AND LOOKING IN THE CANDY STORE AND NOT BEING ABLE TO GO IN AND HAVE ANY CANDY.

DEALT WITH HOUSING, DEALT WITH POLICE, DEALT ITH DEATHS, DEALT WITH COMMUNITY THAT WAS SUFFERING AND UNHEARD.

>> THAYER IS ART OF THE MOST DIVERSE CITY COUNCIL IN BEMIDJI'S HISTORY AND MANY SAY THAT SIGNALS REAL CHANGE.

>> ONE OF MY INITIATIVES THAT I HAD CAMPAIGNED FOR WAS TO GET A COMMUNITY POLICE ADVISORY BOARD.

THEY HAVE CLOSING THE APPLICATIONS TODAY.

PEOPLE SAID YOU'RE GOING TO BE LUCKY IF YOU GET THREE OR FOUR.

WE HAD 18 APPLICATIONS SO FAR.

>> AUDREY THAYER, SHE WAS THE ELECTED FIRST PERSON INDIGENOUS FEMALE ELECTED TO BEMIDJI CITY COUNCIL WHICH IS VERY HISTORIC FOR THIS AREA.

IN OUR CULTURE, WOMEN WERE THE -- IN THE BACK FIELD OF THE STORIES.

THE MEN WERE MORE THE ONES TO TAKE OVER THE LEADERSHIP ROLES BUT WE'RE SEEING A DYNAMIC CHANGE.

>> SHE WAS A VERY STRONG WOMAN, YOU KNOW.

I JUST LIKED HER PERSONALITY.

SHE JUST DREW ME INTO HER CIRCLE.

SHE CAN TALK, SHE KNOWS WHAT TO SAY, SHE HAS HER EDUCATION REALLY BEHIND HER, YOU KNOW, THAT GIVES HER THE VOICE.

>> LOCAL BUSINESSMEN BILL BACH HOLDER IS REPUBLICAN AND ADMITS HE AND THAYER DON'T SEE EYE TO EYE ON MANY FISCAL ISSUES BUT HE SAYS HE RESPECTS HER TREMENDOUSLY.

>> SHE RAN SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE AND SHE WAS TURNED OUT BY THE VOTERS AND WHEN SHE GOT ELECTED, I WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE TO CALL HER UP AND CONGRATULATE HER.

SHE BRINGS A VISION TO THE COUNCIL, SHE BRINGS A VISION TO THE CITY.

>> MANY HOPE THAT HER HUMAN TOUCH WILL GIVE PEOPLE MORE OF A VOICE AT CITY HALL.

>> I DO FEEL LIKE AUDREY'S ELECTION IS A SHIFT IN CULTURAL UNDERSTANDING IN OUR COMMUNITY.

I DON'T KNOW IF AN INDIGENOUS ERSON WOULD HAVE GOTTEN ELECTED EVEN TEN YEARS AGO.

>> THAYER SAYS SHE WON'T RUN AGAIN.

INSTEAD SHE PLANS TO SKIED OTHERS TO TAKE HER PLACE.

HER SUPPORTERS SAY THAYER OF COURSE A SEAT AT THE TABLE IS ALREADY MAKING A DIFFERENCE.

>> OUR COMMUNITY SEES THAT AND THEN THAT WHOLE RIPPLE EFFECT HAPPENS WITH THE IMPACT BROADER THAN JUST AUDREY.

>> David: OPTIMISM HAS ALWAYS COME EASILY TO ME.

HOWEVER, OVER THE PAST YEAR, I'VE BEEN SURPRISED TO DISCOVER SOME GENUINE SADNESS IN ONE OF MY FAVORITE ACTIVITIES.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FAMILY ROAD TRIP.

WE'VE BEEN SHOWING OUR KIDS THE BEAUTIFUL PLACES, THE POSTCARD ROADS, THE TRAILS LESS TRAVELED AND OF COURSE THE LANDMARKS WE PASS FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION.

I REMEMBER THESE PLACES FROM WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND THAT'S WHY I'M FINDING THE SADNESS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TELL MY CHILDREN ABOUT THE CHANGES.

HOW DO I TELL MY DAUGHTER THAT JUST 20 YEARS AGO, THIS RIVER WAS COVERED BY FAR MORE LIVING THINGS?

HOW DO I TELL MY SON THAT THE LAKE HE LOVES WAS CREATED BY PEOPLE TO INFLUENCE ATURE, AND IT'S NOW BEING EMPTIED BY DROUGHTS BECAUSE OUR INFLUENCE IS TOO GREAT.

HOW DO I TELL BOTH OF THEM THAT WHEN I DROVE ACROSS KANSAS WITH MY DAD, WE'D STOP EVERY FOUR HOURS TO SCRAPE A PASTE OF INSECTS OFF THE WINDSHIELD AND TODAY WE CRUISE 1400 ILES O SOUTH CAROLINA WITHOUT HEARING A SINGLE BUTTERY CRACK.

THE FIRST TIME YOU RUN FASTER THAN OUR PARENTS, YOU REALIZE THERE ARE NO INFINITE POWERS IN THIS WORLD, NO FORCES THAT CAN ALWAYS SAVE YOU.

AND THAT'S HOW I'M DESCRIBING MY SADNESS.

HOW CAN THIS NOT BE INFINITE.

THESE WERE THE PLACES THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO SAVE US AND I'M WATCHING THEM GROW THINNER.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS THE BEST LIFESTYLE TO SHOW THEM IN THIS MOMENT.

DO I ACKNOWLEDGE MY TIRES ARE TOO ABRASIVE ON THE EARTH AND SAY GOODBYE TO THE ROAD TRIP?

DO I TEACH MY KIDS HOW TO SURVIVE SOME APPROACHING CALAMITY I CAN ONLY MAKE OUT IN SILHOUETTE.

OR MAYBE I JUST PUSH THESE THOUGHTS OUT OF MY HEAD AND COVER AS MANY MILES AS I CAN WHILE -- WHILE THERE'S STILL SOME GAS IN THE TANK.

I REALLY DO PREFER OPTIMISM, IT'S A GIFT AND IT'S COMFORTABLE BUT I'M STARTING TO REALIZE TOO MUCH OPTIMISM CAN PREVENT YOU FROM DOING THE NECESSARY WORK, AND AS I LOOK AROUND, THE ONE THING I KNOW FOR CERTAIN IS THAT I DO NOT WANT TO SCREW THIS UP.

WILL >> CATHY: WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME THIS FALL EXPLORING THE NEW RENT CONTROL LAW IN ST. PAUL.

WE HAD A PRE-ELECTION DEBATE ON THE AMENDMENT AND A POST-ELECTION INTERVIEW WITH THE LEADER OF THE WINNING SIDE.

TONIGHT WE HEAR FROM THE ST. PAUL CITY COUNCIL PRESIDENT.

THE CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CHANGES, IF ANY, CAN BE MADE TO THE AMENDMENT PASSED BY VOTERS EARLIER THIS MONTH.

AMY BRENDMOEN IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE ST. PAUL CITY COUNCIL.

SHE REPRESENTS WARD FIVE, COMPRISED OF THE NORTH CENTRAL NEIGHBORHOODS OF THE CAPITOL CITY.

WELCOME TO "ALMANAC."

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME, THIS IS EXCITING.

>> Cathy: SO YOUR WARD HAS A LOT OF RENTERS IN IT AND YOU VOTED AGAINST THE AMENDMENT.

WHY DID YOU DO THAT?

>> WELL, I MEAN, I AM SO FOCUSED ON HOUSING AND RENTERS' RIGHTS AND I REALLY DO -- IT'S A CENTERPIECE OF MY WORK ON THE COUNCIL.

I HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE RENT CONTROL INITIATIVE NOT BECAUSE IT WAS -- I THINK THE INTENTION WAS TO PROTECT OUR TENANTS BUT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE DETAILS, ALWAYS THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS AND IN PARTICULAR WORRIED IF IT WOULD STYMIE DEVELOPMENT AND NEW CONSTRUCTION AND I WAS A LITTLE BIT WORRIED IF PERHAPS SOME OF THE INTENDED CONTROLS WOULD ACTUALLY ENCOURAGE MORE REGULAR RENT INCREASES.

>> Eric: ARE THE DEVELOPERS JUST RATTLING THE SABRE HERE?

I NOTE THAT IN THE FALE LEN-PAYNE-PHALEN NEIGHBORHOOD THERE IS A 62-APARTMENT UNIT GOING UP.

IS IT AS BAD AS THEY'RE PORTRAYING IT TO BE?

>> WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THE WHOLE RENT CONTROL CONVERSATION HAS BEEN A LOT OF SABRE RATTLING, TO BE HONEST.

THERE COULD BE SOME OF THAT BUT I DO THINK THAT THE CONCERNS ABOUT SLOWING DOWN DEVELOPMENT AND LOSING INVESTORS IN St. PAUL IS PRETTY REAL AND IS PRETTY IMMINENT.

WE HAVE HUGE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FORD PLANT, HILLCREST AND AREAS IN THE MIDWAY.

>> Eric: HEYLAND BRIDGE.

>> YEP, ANYTHING THAT SLOWS DOWN THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE ADDITION OF UNITS IS PROBLEMATIC.

>> Cathy: AND PROBLEMATIC IN THAT I'M BETTING YOUR TAX BASE GETS A LITTLE SKEWED, RIGHT?

>> WELL, ABSOLUTELY.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE COUNCIL JUST GOT A REPORT, OUR CENSUS REPORT AT THE COUNCIL AND WE'VE ADDED 30,000 PEOPLE TO THE CITY OF St. PAUL IN THE PAST DECADE.

I THINK THEY SAID THAT WE'RE AS BIG ATTENTION WE'VE EVER BEEN SO PEOPLE ARE MOVING IN, THERE IS AN URGENCY FOR MOVING IN ND AN URGENCY FOR ADDING THESE UNITS SO WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABILITY.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BUT I THINK JUST AS MANY AS WE CAN BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN St. PAUL.

>> Eric: INFLATION NATIONALLY AROUND 6%, YOU HAVE A LIMIT ON RENT INCREASES, THAT DOESN'T ADD UP.

>> RIGHT, WELL, I THINK, AS I MENTIONED, THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS, AND THAT'S WHY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS INITIATIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

THERE ARE THINGS LIKE GARBAGE, WATER, PROPERTY TAXES, INFLATION THAT COME INTO PLAY WHEN YOU'RE SETTING YOUR RENT AND IF THOSE ARE CHANGING AT A MORE RAPID PACE THAN 3%, THEN WE GET UPSIDE OWN.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT KIND OF ADJUSTMENTS CAN BE MADE TO THE ORDINANCE AND HOW QUICKLY WE CAN DO THAT.

>> Cathy: I THINK THE MAYOR IS THINKING OF PROPOSING TO EXEMPT NEW CONSTRUCTION.

ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF THAT?

>> WELL, I WAS ALL ALONG.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO.

>> THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE DO IT?

I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LAW THAT WAS PASSED A MONTH AGO.

IT GOES INTO EFFECT IN MAY AND THE FIRST TIME WE THINK CHANGES CAN ACTUALLY BE MADE IS NEXT NOVEMBER, SO WE CAN CERTAINLY START TO WORK ON IT, WE'RE WORKING ON IT AND WE'RE VERY DOGGED ABOUT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH EXTENSIONS WE CAN PUT INTO PLACE BUT THEY MAY NOT GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL NOVEMBER.

>> Eric: VISITING THE RACIAL GAPS ISSUE NOTHING HOUSING, I THINK 52% OF THE BLACK FAMILIES IN St. PAUL ARE RENTERS.

THAT KIND OF COMPONENT COMES INTO IT AND I WONDER IF YOU'RE WORRIED THAT THE LANDLORDS WILL START RAISING RENTS WITH BOTH HANDS BEFORE MAY 1st?

>> I THINK THAT THEY WILL.

I THINK THAT THEY WILL, WHEN THERE'S NO VACANCY ADJUSTMENT IN-BETWEEN TENANTS, I THINK THAT WE'LL SEE RENTS BEING UP IMMEDIATELY AND I THINK THEY'LL GO UP FREQUENTLY, 3% A YEAR, PERHAPS.

I HAVE RENTERS IN MY WARD WHO HAVE LIVED IN AN APARTMENT FOR TEN YEARS AND NEVER SEEN THEIR RENT GO UP, BECAUSE IT'S COSTLY TO TURN OVER AN APARTMENT.

SO IF IT'S A GOOD RENTER AND THE LANDLORD'S HAPPY, THEY USUALLY KIND OF SIMM BIOS HE IS AND LIVE TOGETHER AND ADJUST RENT DURING VAY CAN SEES AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN'T DO UNDER THIS ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN.

>> Cathy: IF SOMEONE HAS A BEEF WITH THE LANDLORD, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE IS A MECHANISM -- WILL THE RENTER HAVE TO GO TO SUE THE LANDLORD IN COURT?

WHAT'S THE REDEPRESS THERE?

>> YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO WORK OUT, IS IT HOUSING COURT, WILL THERE BE A SPECIAL APPEAL PROCESS AND THERE IS A RULE-MAKING AROUND THIS THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

>> Eric: DO WE KNOW IF THE COUNCIL CAN MODIFY THIS?

>> WE DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I THINK WE KNOW THAT IN NOVEMBER, WE CAN MAKE MODIFICATIONS.

I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS START WORKING ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE TODAY SO WE CAN SIGNAL TO OUR DEVELOPERS AND INVESTORS THAT SOME CHANGES ARE ON THE HORIZON.

>> Cathy: IS THE CHARTER AMENDMENT THE BEST WAY TO ET THIS DONE?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS IND OF THE BACK DOOR INTO POLICY-MAKING.

IT BYPASSED OUR USUAL VETTING PROCESS AND I THINK THE COUNCIL -- IT TAKES A LITTLE TIME BUT THE COUNCIL IS GOOD AT THAT.

WE ENGAGE THE STAKEHOLDERS AND LISTEN TO DIFFERENT SIDES AND PERSPECTIVES AND MAKE CHANGES AND DJUSTMENTS AND IN THIS CASE, IT JUST KIND OF CAME IN AS IS AND IT'S -- YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO CLEAN IT UP AND WE'RE HERE TO DO THAT BUT I THINK A BETTER PROCESS WOULD BE TO COME, YOU KNOW, FULLY HROUGH THE COUNCIL BEFORE WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE TO PASS.

>> Eric: CITIES AM OVER THE COUNTRY WILL BE WATCHING THIS SO ALL THE BEST ON IT.

>> Cathy: GOOD LUCK.

>> THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT.

>> Eric: THANKS FOR COMING OVER.

>> THANKS.

>> CATHY: THERE'S A NEW MINNESOTA DOCUMENTARY THAT'LL BE SEEN ON PUBLIC TELEVISION STATONS ACROSS THE STATE NEXT WEEK.

IT'S ABOUT CEMETERIES AND HOW WE TREAT OUR DEAD.

IT'S CALLED "REMEMBERING PLACE," AND IT TELLS THE STORIES OF HOW THE DECEASED ARE REMEMBERED AND HOW FUNERAL PRACTICES ARE CHANGING.

I'M THE NARRATOR OF THIS DOCUMENTARY AND ONE OF THE CEMETERIES WE VISIT IS ONE OF MY FAVORITES, LAKEWOOD CEMETERY IN MINNEAPOLIS.

LAKEWOOD IS A CO-PRODUCER OF THE PROGRAM AND MANY OF THE STORIES ARE ROOTED IN THAT REMARKABLE RESTING PLACE, BUT MONDAY'S FILM ALSO TELLS THE STORIES OF OLDER CEMETERIES, TOO.

HERE'S AN EXCERPT OF "REMEMBERING PLACE."

♪♪ >> IN THE 1850s, WHAT'S NOW THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS, REALLY HAVE BEEN SORT OF A REMOTE FRONTIER OUTPOST.

THERE WAS A SMALL DOWNTOWN IN THE 1860s, 1870s.

St. ANTHONY, WHICH IS NOW NORTHEAST MINNEAPOLIS AND THE CITY OF INNEAPOLIS WERE BEGINNING TO GROW VERY, VERY RAPIDLY.

THE FIRST HOMELESS -- TO BURY PEOPLE, IT EMERGED OUT OF NECESSITY.

EARLY WHITE SETTLERS AND COLONIZERS WOULD BURY PEOPLE ON PRIVATE AND IF THEY HAD ACCESS TO PRIVATE LAND BUT NOT EVERYBODY DID.

THE FIRST SORT OF FORMAL BURIAL SPACE IN WHAT'S NOW THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS IS BELTRAMI PARK IN NORTHEAST MINNEAPOLIS, SO THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY KNOWN AS MAPLE HILL SEM TOWER.

WAS STARTED IN 1857.

PIONEERS AND SOLDIERS CEMETERY IN SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS ON LAKE AND CEDAR, IT WAS KNOWN AS LAYMEN'S CEMETERY, THE LAST NAME OF THE PERSON WHO OWNED THE LAND WAS AYMAN.

THAT WAS SOMEBODY'S PRIVATE LAND THAT THEY SORT OF OFFERED UP FOR BURIAL AND IT ENDED UP BECOMING A LARGE CEMETERY BUT THAT WAS NEVER NECESSARILY THE PLAN.

IT IS ABSOLUTELY A WEALTH OF STORIES, A WEALTH OF INFORMATION.

1867, THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS WAS INCORPORATED AS A CITY AS MINNEAPOLIS WAS GROWING AND BECOMING MORE INDUSTRIALIZED AND MORE URBANIZED, THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN POPULATION WHICH ALSO MEANS THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN POPULATION OF THOSE WHO WERE DYING.

AND THESE CEMETERIES THAT HAPPENED OUT OF NECESSITY DIDN'T ECESSARILY HAVE CAPACITY TO HOLD ALL OF THOSE BODIES.

AND AS THEY BECAME MORE AND MORE CROWDED, IT DIDN'T ALWAYS SEEM AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO MOURN AND TO GRIEVE.

>> CATHY: "REMEMBERING PLACE: A CEMETERY STORY" CAN BE SEEN MONDAY NIGHT AT 8:00 ON TWIN CITIES PBS AS PART OF THE MINNESOTA EXPERIENCE SERIES.

THE DOCUMENTARY CAN ALSO BE SEEN STATEWIDE AT 7:00 P.M. ON NOVEMBER 28 WHERE IT AIRS ON THE MINNESOTA CHANNEL, A FREE BROADCAST SERVICE AVAILABLE ON ALL PBS STATIONS IN THE STATE.

CHECK YOUR LOCAL LISTINGS TO FIND OUT WHERE ON THE DIGITAL DIAL TO FIND THE MINNESOTA CHANNEL IN YOUR AREA.

♪♪ >> ERIC: THE MINNESOTA WILD IS TIED FOR THE CONFERENCE LEAD.

MEANWHILE, THE FOOTBALL TEAMS IN OUR STATE ARE FIGHTING TO SALVAGE THEIR SEASONS.

SOME GOOD STUFF TO TALK ABOUT AS THE BASKETBALL SEASONS ARE STARTING UP, TOO.

LET'S SEE HOW MANY TOPICS WE CAN SQUEEZE IN THE NEXT FEW MINUTES WITH LARRY FITZGERALD, SENIOR.

LARRY IS A WILY VETERAN OF THE PRINT AND BROADCAST SPORTS WORLD.

[Laughter] >> Eric: NOW, I TALKED TO A HOCKEY EXPERT WHO SAID THE WILD ARE DOING GREAT BUT THEY NEED ONE MORE CENTER TO KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE MORE PUNCH IN THAT TOUGH WESTERN CONFERENCE.

WHAT ARE THE LONG-TERM PROSPECTS FOR A DEEP PLAYOFF RUN?

>> WELL, FORTUNATELY, THIEF A DEEP SYSTEM IN TERMS OF THE FARM SYSTEM AND THE GUYS THAT ARE READY TO COME UP AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE THAT TYPE OF PLAYER FROM WITHIN THE SYSTEM WITHOUT HAVING TO GO OUT AND MANUEVER AND MAKE A TRADE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I LIKE WHAT THEY'RE OING.

IN TERMS OF THE WAY THEY'VE PUT THIS TEAM TOGETHER, THOSE TOUGH DECISIONS THAT THEY MADE LAST YEAR AT HE END TO LET TWO LOCAL LEGENDS, BASICALLY, LET 'EM GO, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD PAID THEM REALLY HUGE MONEY, THEY'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE SYSTEM AND CALIFORNIA RILL CAPRICE SOFAS HE SHOWED THE OTHER NIGHT, HE'S STILL GOING THIS WAY.

SO I LIKE WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

THE OTHER NIGHT, THEY KIND OF SURPRISED ME THE WAY SAN JOSE SHUT THEM DOWN, THEY KEPT THEM OUT OF THE MIDDLE OF THE ICE AND THEY WERE ABLE TO GET OUT OF HERE WITH A WIN BUT THIS IS A VERY GOOD HOCKEY TEAM AND THEY CAN GO A LONG WAY.

VIKINGS VIKINGS AND PACKERS.

>> WELL, THIS WILL TRULY BE THE TEST FOR MINNESOTA.

THEY HAVE BEEN UP AND DOWN AS WE KNOW.

THEY SHOULD HAVE BEAT ARIZONA AND THEY SHOULD HAVE BEAT BALTIMORE, OKAY, AND THOSE TEAMS ARE IN FIRST PLACE, AND ARE VERY GOOD TEAMS AND WILL BE IN THE PLAYOFFS.

THE BOTTOM LINE FOR THE VIKINGS IS THAT THEY GOT TO KEEP FORGING ON.

THEY GOT TO RECOGNIZE WHERE THEIR WEAKNESSES ARE AND RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE THE MOST PENALIZED TEAM IN THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE, AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT 75, YOU KNOW, PENALTY MINUTES EVERY GAME AND THEY GOT TO STOP THAT.

>> Eric: WOW.

>> BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY SOMETHING THAT CAN TAKE A GAME AWAY FROM YOU BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT A KICK THAT'S MISSED OR A FUMBLE BUT WHEN YOU GO BACK AND ADD THOSE PENALTIES UP, THOSE ARE PLAYS, THOSE ARE FIRST DOWNS, THOSE ARE TOUCHDOWNS, AND LAST WEEK, ALTHOUGH THEY BEAT THE LOS ANGELES CHARGERS, ON THE ROAD, A FIRST-PLACE TEAM -- >> Eric: NICE WIN.

>> HEY STILL HAD TEN PENALTIES FOR 118 YARDS AND THAT YOU CANNOT GET AWAY WITH EVERY WEEK.

>> Cathy: DO YOU THINK ZIMMER, COACH ZIMMER SURVIVES INTO NEXT YEAR AND IS THE COACH?

>> IF THEY DON'T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, I DON'T SEE IT.

HE'S BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH, HE'S A VERY GOOD COACH, HE'S DONE SOME GOOD THINGS AND HIS MOTIVATION SPEECH WORKED WITH THIS TEAM BECAUSE FOR THEM TO GO FROM GIVING UP LMOST A FIFTY-MINUTE TIME OF POSSESSION TO THE RAVENS FOR 500 YARDS, 247 YARDS RUSHING, LOSE IN VERTIME AND THEN COME BACK THE NEXT WEEK AND HOLD A TEAM TO 20 POINTS AND ONLY 253 YARDS?

THAT'S UNBELIEVABLE BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO IT WITHOUT SOME OF THEIR BEST PLAYERS AND I THINK THAT'S THE STRENGTH OF A MIKE ZIMMER-COACHED TEAM.

HE STILL HAS THAT LOCKER ROOM AND AS LONG AS HE CAN KEEP IT, HE'S GOING TO BE HERE.

>> Eric: TIMBERWOLVES SHOWING SOME SIGNS OF LIFE AND A LOT OF THE NATIONAL CRITICS SAY TOWNS IS TOO SOFT BUT I HEARD YOU ON THE RADIO UNCOVER SOME VERY INTERESTING KAT STATISTICS.

>> IT'S ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE N.B.A.

HE'S AN ALL-STAR, BEEN THERE A COUPLE OF TIMES, JUST TURNED 26.

CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT, HE'S BEEN HERE THIS LONG, ONLY 26 YEARS OLD AND HE'S SEEN NOTHING -- BASICALLY BUT TRAGEDY, HE'S LOST HIS MOTHER, HE HAD COVID HIMSELF.

HE'S HAD MORE COACHES THAN YOU GUYS HAVE GUESTS ON THIS SHOW.

[Laughter] BUT THIS YEAR, HE'S DETERMINED TO GET IT DONE AND THEY THINK THEY GOT THE RIGHT PIECES AROUND 'EM.

THEY GOT A TWO-GAME WINNING STREAK RIGHT NOW WHICH IS THEIR LONGEST OF THE SEASON BUT THEY STILL GOT TO FIGURE OUT THAT ROTATION.

RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVEN'T GOT THAT ROTATION TOGETHER AND THAT'S WHY THEY ARE ONLY SIX AND 9.

>> Eric: IS THERE GOING TO BE A MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL LOCKOUT?

>> YES.

>> Eric: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE FUTURE OF THE GAME?

>> WELL, THAT MEANS IN ABOUT 30 DAYS, THEY'RE GOING TO SCHULT THE GAME OF BASEBALL DOWN WHILE THEY NEGOTIATE ON TRYING TO GET MORE MONEY, THE PLAYERS FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME MOVEMENT THAT HAS TO BE MADE, THAT THE OWNERS HAVE SOME REVENUE STREAMS THAT THEY'RE NOT TELLING THEM ABOUT.

>> Eric: OOO.

>> LOOK AT WHAT JUST HAPPENED WITH JOSÉ BERRY YOST, THE TWINS TRADED HIM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON, THEY DIDN'T NEED HIM.

THEY GOT A COUPLE OF PLAYERS FOR HIM, YES, THAT'S GREAT, HE ONCE IN $31 MILLION.

THERE'S VALUE IN WHAT HE DID WHEN HE WAS HERE BECAUSE HE WAS THEIR BEST PITCHER.

THEY WON, MADE THE PLAYOFFS TWO YEARS IN A ROW, DIDN'T WIN ANY PLAYOFF GAMES BUILT STILL IN POSITION.

THEY WOULD A 100-WIN SEASON AND SO NOW THEY'RE IN POSITION, ARE THEY GOING TO GET BUXTON SIGNED BECAUSE IF THEY LET THAT YOUNG MAN GET AWAY FROM HERE, IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR THEM BUT THEY CERTAINLY HAVE TO GET TO THAT AFTER THEY GET THAT NEGOTIATION WITH THE PLAYERS AND OWNERS TAKEN CARE OF.

>> SOUNDS LIKE A MESS.

>> Eric: LABOR PEACE IS DISSOLVED.

>> I NEVER IS GOOD.

>> Eric: THANKS, FITZY, ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> Cathy: HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

>> THANK YOU.

GOOD TO BE HERE.

>> Eric: YOU BET.

♪♪ >> CATHY: ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 30, JURY SELECTION WILL BEGIN IN THE TRIAL OF FORMER BROOKLYN CENTER POLICE OFFICER KIMBERLY POTTER.

SHE IS FACING FIRST- AND SECOND-DEGREE MANSLAUGHTER CHARGES AFTER FATALLY SHOOTING DAUNTE WRIGHT DURING A TRAFFIC STOP IN APRIL.

THE PROSECUTION IN THE CASE WILL BE HANDLED BY THE OFFICE OF MINNESOTA ATTORNEY GENERAL KEITH ELLISON.

THE TRIAL WILL AGAIN EMPHASIZE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY AND RACE.

HERE WITH A PREVIEW OF THE LEGAL PROCEEDINGS, TWO ATTORNEYS WE SPOKE WITH DURING THE DEREK CHAUVIN TRIAL EARLIER THIS YEAR.

MARK OSLER IS A FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR, NOW A PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ST. THOMAS LAW SCHOOL.

SHANNON PRINCE IS AN ATTORNEY IN NEW YORK CITY WHO PAYS CLOSE ATTENTION TO POLICING POLICY.

WELCOME TO BOTH OF YOU.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> GOOD TO BE HERE.

>> Cathy: Ms.

PRINCE, THE DEFENSE IS GOING TO FRAME THIS AS AN ACCIDENT.

HOW OFTEN DOES THIS HAPPEN?

>> WELL, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OFTEN BUT IT DOES HAPPEN.

IN FACT, THE JUDGE IS DOING TO ALLOW THERE TO BE EXPERT TESTIMONY OR WHAT'S CALLED AN ACTION ERROR, THAT'S WHEN SOMEONE USUALLY IN A STRESSFUL MOMENT INTENDS TO DO ONE THING BUT AUTOMATICALLY DOES SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

ALTHOUGH THE DEFENSE CANNOT ASSERT THAT OFFICER POTTER CONSTITUTIONALLY EXPERIENCED AN ACTION ERROR, SO IT DOES OCCUR AND THEY'RE GOING TO TRY AN ARGUE THAT IT WAS JUST AN INNOCENT ERROR THAT ANYONE CAN BE VULNERABLE TO.

>> Eric: I TALKED TO A VETERAN COURT WATCHER TODAY AND THEY SAID THAT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WOULD BE A FRESHHOLD QUESTION FOR THE JURY IS CAN A POLICE OFFICER GO TO JAIL FOR MAKING A MISTAKE?

IS THAT A HURDLE FOR THE STATE?

>> WELL, HAT'S WHAT I THINK THE TRIAL IS GOING TO BE ABOUT.

I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION IN THE END THAT THE JURORS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PONDER BECAUSE WHEN YOU SEE THE VIDEO AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE AT THE CENTER OF THIS TRIAL, YOU HEAR HER SAYING, TASTER, TASTER, TASTER, AND THEN SEE HER MEDICAL REACTION AFTERWARDS AND SHE'S EITHER A GREAT ACTRESS OR SHE MADE A MISTAKE IS WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE MAY INCLUDE.

>> Cathy: TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT I MENTIONED WITH Ms.

PRINCE THERE ABOUT THE DEFENSE FRAMING THIS AS AN ACCIDENT.

>> YEAH, THAT'S THE NATURAL DEFENSE AND, AGAIN, AS WITH THE CHAUVIN TRIAL, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE DRIVEN NOT Y PEOPLE'S MEMORY AND NOT BY FORENSIC EVIDENCE AS SUCH BUT BY VIDEO THAT EVERYBODY CAN SEE, AND THAT'S WHAT THE DEFENSE IS GOING TO STAND ON, IS -- IS HER STATEMENTS, HER -- THE WAY SHE ACTED AFTER THE SHOOTING THAT SEEMED TO SHOW IT WAS AN ACCIDENT, THAT SHE INTENDED TO USE THE TASER AND NOT THE FIREARM.

>> Eric: Ms.

PRINCE, WILL THE FACT THAT THIS OFFICER IS FEMALE, A FORMER OFFICER IS A WOMAN, HOW DOES THAT PLAY WITH THE JURY?

DO THEY GET A LITTLE MORE OF A PASS OR DO WE HAVE ANY DATA ON THAT, OR EXPERIENCE OR... >> SOMETIMES WOMEN, PARTICULARLY WHITE WOMEN AND PETITE WOMEN, ACTUALLY, ARE SEEN AS MORE SYMPATHETIC.

ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE IS DATA THAT HOWS THAT SOMETIMES WOMEN JURORS ARE HARDER ON WOMEN DEFENDANTS.

>> Cathy: INTERESTING.

HAVE YOU SEEN THAT?

>> OF COURSE, YES, AND YOU KNOW THE SAME WAY THAT PERCEPTIONS F RACE COME INTO PLAY, PERCEPTION OF GENDER CAN BE VERY IMPORTANT, TOO.

>> Cathy: SO THE JUDGE RULED THAT DAUNTE WRIGHT'S FATHER WILL BE ABLE TO BE IN THE COURTROOM AND HIS TESTIMONY IS GOING TO BE A -- HE'S GOING TO BE A SPARK OF LIFE ESTIFIER.

WHAT IS THAT?

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT?

>> YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE IN MINNESOTA THAT MANY STATES DON'T HAVE, AND THAT IS THAT IN A CASE LIKE THIS, WHERE IT'S A MURDERS OR MANSLAUGHTER CASE, THE FACT THAT THE PERSON'S DEAD REALLY ISN'T AN ELEMENT THAT'S IN CONTROVERSY.

IT'S PRETTY PLAIN.

AND SO SPARK AFTER LIFE DOESN'T DIRECTLY O TO AN ELEMENT, IT GOES TO WHAT WAS THIS PERSON LIKE WHEN THEY WERE ALIVE, WHAT IS LOST WITH THEIR DEATH, IN OTHER WORDS, IN THIS CASE, DAUNTE WRIGHT.

AND IT'S CONTROVERSIAL AND AS I SAID IT'S SOMETHING THAT CERTAINLY YOU DON'T FIND ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

IT'S UNUSUAL THAT WE HAVE IT HERE.

>> Eric: Ms.

PRINCE, CAN DAUNTE WRIGHT'S BEHAVIOR AT THE SCENE OF THE ATALITY AND HIS PAST RECORD, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, ARE THOSE ADMISSIBLE, DO YOU THINK?

>> WELL, ONE INTERESTING THING ABOUT SPARK IN LIFE TESTIMONY IS THAT THE PROSECUTION CAN INADVERTENTLY OPEN THE DOOR TO THE VICTIM'S PAST ISTORY SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF HE PROSECUTION WERE TO SAY SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF -- OR PUT A WITNESS ON WHO SAYS OH, HE WAS ALWAYS SO GENTLE, THEN IF HE HAS PAST HISTORY THAT SHOES HE WAS AGGRESSIVE AND SOME INTERACTION WITH THE CM THAT INDICATES THAT, THEN THE PROSECUTION HAS OPENED THE DOOR TO THE ADMISSIBILITY OF THAT EVIDENCE.

>> Eric: WHAT DO YOU THINK, PROFESSOR?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

Ms.

PRINCE IS EXACTLY RIGHT ABOUT THAT, IT'S SOMETHING I'VE SEEN HAPPEN IN MY OWN TRIALS AS A PROSECUTOR WHERE, YOU KNOW, GOING THE OTHER WAY, THERE WAS SOMETHING THE JUDGE SAID, YOU CAN'T GO THERE, THE DEFENSE OPENED IT UP THROUGH THEIR QUESTIONING OF SOMEONE AND, BOOM, YOU KNOW, WE WENT RIGHT THERE.

SO THAT'S A DYNAMIC THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHEN THEY PRESENT THE FATHER AS A SPARK OF LIFE WITNESS.

>> Cathy: THIS CASE IS ALSO GOING TO NOW BE STREAMED AND WILL HAVE CAMERAS IN THE COURTROOM, THAT'S AFTER THE JUDGE WAS THE TARGET OF SOME PROTESTS, ALTHOUGH SHE SAYS IT WASN'T RELATED.

ARE WE GOING TO SEE MORE COVERAGE OF TRIALS WITH CAMERAS NOW?

>> WE PROBABLY WILL AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING, THAT WE SEE HOW IMPORTANT THESE OUTCOMES ARE, AND HAVING PEOPLE BE ABLE TO TELL HOW WE GOT TO THOSE OUTCOMES REALLY IS -- REALLY MATTERS, SO TRANSPARENCY IN CRIMINAL LAW IS SOMETHING WE NEED MORE OF AND THIS IS TRANSPARENCY.

>> Eric: Ms.

PRINCE, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF CAMERAS IN THE COURTROOM IN NEW YORK?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT SOME JUDGES ARE MORE OPEN TO IT THAN OTHERS.

THERE'S ALWAYS A CONCERN THAT LAWYERS WILL PERFORM, THAT WITNESSES MAYBE WILL FEEL INHIBITED BUT I THINK THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE WAKE OF THE CHAUVIN TRIAL THAT CAMERAS CAN BE USED IN THE COURTROOM RESPONSIBLY AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HARM THE TRIAL PROCEEDINGS.

>> Cathy: WE'LL SWITCH GEARS AT THIS POINT AND TALK ABOUT HE KYLE RITTENHOUSE VERDICT, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO THERE.

WHAT DID YOU THINK?

>> YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID THEY WEREN'T SURPRISED BY IT.

I WAS SURPRISED.

IN PART WHEN YOU HAVE A JURY DELIBERATING FOR 25 HOURS, THEY'RE SPLIT.

THERE'S DISCUSSION GOING ON THERE AND IT'S -- YOU KNOW, THERE'S OPPOSITION.

OFTEN THEY COMPROMISE IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE AND I THOUGHT THEY WERE PROBABLY GOING TO COMPROMISE AND COME BACK WITH A CONVICTION ON RECKLESS ENDANGER HIM.

THEY DIDN'T, THEY AQUITED ON ALL COUNTS.

>> Cathy: Ms.

PRINCE, WHAT DID YOU THINK?

>> YOU KNOW, I ALSO SHARE PROFESSOR OSLER'S CONCERN ESPECIALLY WITH THERE BEING THE EXISTENCE OF LESSER CHARGES WHERE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN TERMS OF THE KILLING OF Mr. HUBBER, IF THE INJURY DID NOT WANT TO CONVICT ON FIRST DEGREE INTENTIONAL MURDER, THEY WOULD GIVE HIM THE OPTION OF FIRST DEGREE RECKLESS HOMICIDE OR, YOU KNOW, A LESSER CHARGE AND SO YOU WOULD THINK THAT MAYBE THE JURY MIGHT COMPROMISE BY NOT GOING FOR THE MORE SEVERE CHARGE BUT COMPROMISING ON SOMETHING BUT IN THIS CASE THEY COMPLETELY ACQUITTED WHICH IS A BIT OF A SURPRISE.

>> Eric: WAS RITTENHOUSE A GOOD WITNESS OR DID HIS TESTIMONY MATTER AT ALL OR -- >> IT PROBABLY DID.

YOU KNOW, HE CREED.

HE TALKED ABOUT HOW HE FELT THREATENED.

THAT WAS EFFECTIVE.

SHUT HAVE BEEN EFFECTIVE?

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION BUT I THINK IT PROBABLY DID HAVE AN IMPACT.

rd THE AUBRY TRIAL IS GOING TO GO TO THE INJURY, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT OUT OF THAT?

>> WE'VE BEEN WATCHING THAT ONE VERY CLOSELY, TOO, AND THERE WELD TRAVIS MC MICHAEL, ONE OF THE DEFENDANTS TESTIFY, AS WELL.

HE MAY NOT HAVE HELPED HIMSELF AS HE DIDN'T REALLY PRESENT THE SITUATION AS ONE IN WHICH HE AS IN GENUINE FEAR, OR UNDER HREAT IN THE SAME WAY.

WE'LL SEE WHAT THE JURY COMES BACK AND IF THEY DELIBERATE AS LONG AS WE SAW WITH THE RITTENHOUSE CASE.

>> Eric: THE RACIAL MAKE-UP OF THAT JURY WAS QUESTIONED, Ms.

PRINCE, WASN'T IT?

>> YES, IT WAS, 11 OF THE 12 JURORS ARE WHITE AND THIS IS IN A LOCALITY WHERE 27% OF THE POPULATION IS BLACK.

ONLY ONE OF THE JURORS IS BLACK.

AND THE JUDGE SAID THAT HE HIMSELF FELT THAT THERE HAD BEEN INTENTIONAL DISCRIMINATION BUT THAT HIS HANDS WERE TIED AND HE WAS UNABLE TO DO ANYTHING BIT.

>> Eric: WHILE WE HAVE THE CAMERA ON YOU, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE AFTERMATH OF THE CHAUVIN TRIAL.

AS YOU LOOK AT POLICING IN GENERAL AROUND THE COUNTRY, HAS THE CHAUVIN VERDICT HAD ANY IMPACT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER ON POLICING IN THE COUNTRY?

>> SO, ON ONE HAND, PEOPLE IN DISPROPORTIONATELY PEOPLE OF COLOR CONTINUE TO BE KILLED BY THE POLICE BUT, ON THE OTHER HAND, WE CAN OOK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN BROOKLYN CENTER NOT ONLY AFTER Mr. FLOYD WAS MURDERED BUT AFTER DAUNTE WRIGHT WAS KILLED AND WE SEE THAT BROOKLYN CENTER DECIDED THAT IT WAS GOING TO TRY TO AVOID INCIDENTS SUCH AS TRAFFIC STOPS THAT ESCALATE TO VIOLENCE SUCH AS THE INCIDENT IN WHICH Mr. WRIGHT WAS KILLED BY HAVING UNARMED PROFESSIONALS HANDLE TRAFFIC INCIDENTS, SO WE ARE SEEING SOME RESPONSIVE POLICY CHANGES.

>> Eric: DID YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THE SORT OF THE DEFUND, REIMAGINE THE POLICE AMENDMENT GOING DOWN TO DEFEAT IN MINNEAPOLIS?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT MESSAGING IS A PART OF HOW PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THESE POLICIES BUT SOME PEOPLE HAVE CALLED DEFUNDING THE POLICE, OTHER PEOPLE HAVE CALLED JUSTICE REINVESTMENT AND I THINK THAT DEFUNDING THE POLICE CAN SOMETIMES BE SEEN AS A REFERENDUM ON THE POLICE THAT WE DON'T IMAGINE THEM HAVING ANY ROLE IN PUBLIC SAFETY WHEREAS JUSTICE REINVESTMENT CAN BE A WAY OF SAYING LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE ALLOCATE RESOURCES TO ALL OF THEM.

>> Eric: HOW ABOUT THE COURTS AND PROSECUTING ATTORNEYS ROLE IN THIS IN MINNEAPOLIS?

>> IT'S GOING TO BE CRUCIAL AND WE HAVE AN ELECTION COMING UP FOR COUNTY ATTORNEY IN HENNEPIN COUNTY AND YOU CAN BET IT WILL BE AT THE CENTER OF THE DEBATES, PROBABLY SOME OF THEM RIGHT HERE ON "ALMANAC" I EXPECT, IS HOW ARE WE -- THEY GOING TO ADDRESS THIS.

WE'VE GOT ANNUAL EXAMPLE OF ALTERNATE PATH WITH JOHN CHOI IN RAMSEY COUNTY WHO HAS INSTITUTED SOME REFORMS, IT'S BEEN CONTROVERSIAL WITH SOME BUT HAVE BEEN VERY PROGRESSIVE AND AIM TO REDUCE THE CHANCE OF RACIAL BIAS.

>> Cathy: BEFORE YOU GO, WE HAVE A MINUTE LEFT, I'M GOING TO SWING IT BACK TO THE KIM POTTER TRIAL.

WHAT WILL YOU BE WATCHING HERE?

>> INJURY SELECTION, THEY'RE USING A JURY QUESTIONNAIRE THAT'S LIKE THE CHAUVIN TRIAL QUESTIONNAIRE, VERY DETAILED THAT ASKS DIRECTLY ABOUT ATTITUDES ABOUT RACE AND THAT WAS FASCINATING WITH THE CHAUVIN TRIAL, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE HERE.

WE'VE SEEN THE EFFECT OF HAVING RECOMMENDATION ON JURIES IN THE CHAUVIN TRIAL RELATIVE TO THE RITTENHOUSE TRIAL.

>> ric: JUST SECONDS LEFT, Ms.

PRINCE, WHO'S GOT THE UPPER HAND GOING INTO THE POTTER TRIAL?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY UNPREDICTABLE.

ON THE ONE HANDSOME PEOPLE MAY FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE THAT A 26-YEAR VETERAN COULD MISTAKE A TASER FOR HER GUN BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, AS THE PROFESSOR SAID IF SHE TRULY DID IT DELIBERATELY SHE MUST BE MUST BE A GOOD ACTRESS BECAUSE SHE REALLY DID SEEM STUNNED.

>> Eric: THANKS FOR CALLING IN IN NO.

WE HOPE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> Cathy: PROFESSOR, GOOD TO SEE YOU, TOO.

TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.

♪♪ >> CATHY: NOW FOR ONE OF MY FAVORITE PARTS OF THE SHOW, WHEN WE QUIZ YOU ON MINNESOTA HISTORY.

LET'S VENTURE BACK TO THE 1980S FOR THIS WEEK'S QUESTION.

IT HAS TO DO WITH A FAMED MINNESOTA PRODUCT, PARTICULARLY POPULAR IN THE 1980S.

A BIG REGIONAL HIT, MORE THAN TWO MILLION OF THESE ITEMS WERE CREATED, AND THEY FIGURED PROMINENTLY IN NATIONAL BROADCASTS.

MANY MINNESOTANS CAN STILL FIND THIS ITEM BY ROOTING AROUND THEIR HOUSE.

ONE FINAL HINT, A NATIONAL PUBLICATION SAID THAT AT THE HEIGHT OF ITS POPULARITY, THIS PRODUCT HAD BECOME A FAD "NEAR HULA HOOP FLAGPOLE-SITTING PROPORTIONS."

SO THINK OF THE '80S, POPULAR MINNESOTA FADS AT THE TIME, AND THEN ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

WHAT IS THE 1980S MINNESOTA PRODUCT WE SEEK?

WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU WHETHER YOU ARE CALLING IN FROM NEAR VIKING TOWNSHIP, TWIN LAKES, LYNX LAKE, OR THE TIMBERWOLF TRAIL.

NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE, YOU CAN REACH US AT 651-229-1430.

WRITE THAT NUMBER DOWN IN CASE THE ANSWER COMES TO YOU IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.

651-229-1430.

IF YOU PREFER EMAIL, DO YOUR RESEARCH AND SEND US A NOTE AT ALMANAC@TPT.ORG.

A PROGRAMMING NOTE.

LIKE MOST OF YOU, WE'LL BE EATING TURKEY LEFTOVERS NEXT FRIDAY SO THERE WON'T BE AN "ALMANAC" NEXT WEEK.

WE'LL BE BACK AGAIN WITH A LIVE SHOW ON DECEMBER 3.

UNTIL THEN, HAVE A HAPPY AND SAFE THANKSGIVING.

FROM ALL OF US HERE ON THE SHOW.

IN THE MEANTIME, WE LEAVE YOU THIS WEEK WITH A CLASSIC TUNE FROM THE TPT ARCHIVES.

IT WAS 40 YEARS AGO THAT LEO KOTTKE STOPPED BY THE KTCA STUDIOS ON COMO AVENUE TO SING FOR US AND PLAY THE 12-STRING GUITAR.

LET'S GO OUT TO KOTTKE PERFORMING "PAMELA BROWN."

IT WAS THE ONLY ONE OF HIS SINGLES EVER TO BREAK INTO THE BILLBOARD CHARTS.

THANKS FOR WATCHING.

WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN IN DECEMBER.

♪ I WOULD HAVE BEEN DEER IF I'D BE TODAY IF SHE HAD LOVED ME TOO ♪ ♪ PROBABLY BE DRIVING KIDS TO SCHOOL ♪ ♪ I GUESS I WE IT ALL TO PAMELA BROWN ALL OF MY GOOD TIMES, ALL MY RUNNING AROUND ONE OF THESE DAYS I MIGHT BE IN OUR TOWN AND I GUESS I OWE IT ALL TO PAMELA BROWN ♪ ♪ SEEN THE LIGHTS OF CITIES AND I'VE BEEN INSIDE THE DOORS ♪ "ALMANAC" IS MADE POSSIBLE BY MEMBERS OF THIS PUBLIC TELEVISION STATION.

SUPPORT IS ALSO PROVIDED BY... GREAT RIVER ENERGY: PROVIDING WHOLESALE POWER TO 28 MINNESOTA ELECTRIC COOPERATIVES.

DELTA DENTAL OF MINNESOTA FOUNDATION: IMPROVING ORAL HEALTH WHILE ADVANCING SOCIAL EQUITIES.

DELTADENTALMN.ORG/TPT.

THE SHAKOPEE MDEWAKANTON SIOUX COMMUNITY: A TRIBAL NATION FOCUSED ON COMMUNITY AND COLLABORATION, ESPECIALLY IN TIMES LIKE TODAY.

ENBRIDGE: CONNECTING MINNESOTANS WITH ENERGY FOR OVER 70 YEARS.

MORE AT ENBRIDGE.COM/LINE3US.

AND EDUCATION MINNESOTA: THE VOICE FOR PROFESSIONAL EDUCATORS AND STUDENTS THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

MORE AT EDUCATIONMINNESOTA.ORG.

ONE GREATER MINNESOTA REPORTING ON "ALMANAC" IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY THE OTTO BREMER TRUST, WHOSE MISSION IS INVESTING IN PEOPLE, PLACES AND OPPORTUNITIES IN OUR REGION.

ADDITIONAL SUPPORT IS PROVIDED BY THE BLANDIN FOUNDATION, WORKING TO STRENGHTEN RURAL MINNESOTA.

"ALMANAC" IS A PRODUCTION OF TWIN CITIES PBS FOR THE STATIONS OF MINNESOTA PUBLIC TELEVISION ASSOCIATION.