>> Ted: A NEW REPORT ANALYZES THE IMPACT THAT A PROPOSED HOCKEY ARENA AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT WOULD HAVE ON TEMPE.

AND ENCOURAGING REPORTS REGARDING HEALTH FOR OLDER ADULTS WITH TREATMENT RESISTANT DEPRESSION.

AND THE GRAND CANYON'S CONSERVANCIES IN RESIDENCE.

WELCOME HOUSE SPEAKER, KEVIN MCCARTHY WENT TO WALMART TO PROPOSE A ONE YEAR DEBT INCREASE BUT ONLY IF IT'S TIED TO NONDEFENSE SPENDING TO 2022 LEVELS.

PRESIDENT BIDEN PROPOSED LIFTING THE CEILING WITHOUT CONDITIONS WHICH MEANS THE TWO SIDES ARE WITHOUT ODDS FOR THREATENING TO SEND THE COUNTRY INTO FAULT.

>> MAKE NO MISTAKE, THE LONGER PRESIDENT BIDEN WAITS TO BE SENSIBLE, TO FIND AN AGREEMENT, THE MORE LIKELY IT BECOMES THIS ADMINISTRATION WILL BUMBLE INTO THE FIRST DEFAULT IN OUR NATION'S HISTORY.

>> I'LL BE BLUNT, IF SPEAKER MCCARTHY CONTINUES IN THIS DIRECTION, WE ARE HEADED TO DEFAULT.

>> Ted: THAT DEFAULT COULD HIT AS EARLY AS JULY UNLESS CONGRESS MOVES TO RAISE THE DEBT LIMIT.

GAS PRICES ARE ON THE RISE AND ABOUT TO GET WORSE.

TRIPLE A REPORTS THAT THE NATIONWIDE AVERAGE FOR REGULAR $3.67.

THAT'S A BARGAIN IN FEEDBACK AREA AND PRICES AROUND THE COUNTRY HAVE BEEN ON THE RISE FOR WEEKS AND THAT'S WITHOUT THE IMPACT OF RECENT PRODUCTIONS CUTS FROM OPEC EXPECTED TO TAKE EFFECT NEXT MONTH.

>>> DOMINION AGAINST FOX NEWS WAS EXPECTED TO GET STARTED AND THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

THE JUDGE SAYS THE TRIAL WILL GET UNDERWAY TOMORROW AND NO REASON FOR THE DELAY AND NOT UNUSUAL FOR LAST MINUTE SETTLEMENT TALKS IN THE CASE WITH SUCH SIGNIFICANT DAMAGES.

THE TWO SIDES ARE NOT EXPECTED TO SETTLE AND THEY SAY FOX NEWS SPREAD DISINFORMATION ABOUT THE VOTING MACHINES AFTER DONALD TRUMP LOST THE REELECTION BID IN 2020.

>>> THE GRAND CANYON INSTITUTE TODAY RELEASED A REPORT ON THE IMPACT THAT A PROPOSED NEW NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE ARENA AND RESIDENTIAL AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT WOULD HAVE ON TEMPE.

DAVE WELLS AT THE GRAND CANYON INSTITUTE JOINS US NOW.

>> GLAD TO BE HERE.

>> Ted: WHY DID YOU CONDUCT THIS STUDY?

>> WE DON'T GET PAID FOR IT AND I DIDN'T MAKE MONEY AND SOMETIMES WE SEE THERE'S A PUBLIC INTEREST HERE BECAUSE IN THE PAST, I'VE SEEN ECONOMIC ANALYSIS AND THERE'S A LOT IN THE SPORT'S INDEX WHERE ARENAS DON'T PAY OFF AND I WAS GETTING PRESSURE FROM SOME PEOPLE WONDERING ABOUT IT THAT THEY WOULD LIKE ME TO CHIME IN AND I DECIDED TWO MONTHS AGO, NOT KNOWING WHAT I GOT MYSELF INTO.

>> Ted: WHAT DID YOUR RESEARCH LOOK AT AND WHAT DID YOUR RESEARCH FIND?

>> WE DECIDED TO FOCUS ON THE ARENA AND MUSIC VENUE.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT NEW PEOPLE COMING TO TEMPE WHERE PEOPLE TEMPE SPENDING MONEY IN TEMPE.

AND THAT'S WITH THE ARENA AND MUSIC VENUE DO WITH THE HOCKEY GAMES.

WE'RE USING THAT TO SEE WHAT REVENUE THAT WOULD GENERATE AND WHETHER IT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO PAY OFF THE SUBSIDIES THEY'RE PROVIDING TO THE COYOTES.

>> Ted: WHAT FINDING AS THE CITY COLLECTING A THIRD OF TAX REVENUE DIVERTED TO THIS PROJECT.

HOW DID YOU GET THAT NUMBER?

>> SO IT'S COMPLICATED AND I HAVE A FULL SPREADSHEET IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO TRY THAT OUT.

THAT EFFECTIVELY, WE ESTIMATE ABOUT 90% OF THE PEOPLE WHO COME TO THE ARENA OR THE MUSIC VENUE ARE GOING TO BE NEW SPENDING TO TEMPE AND THEY MIGHT SPEND MONEY AROUND THERE OR NEAR TEMPE, BUT THAT MEANS THAT 10% IS REPLACED.

AND THAT MEANS TEMPE LOSES MONEY ON THAT 10%.

WE LOOKED AT THAT ANALYSIS AND A MULTIPLIER EFFECT.

>> Ted: YOU SAID IN PREVIOUS STUDIES THAT THE CITY TOUTS, THEY DIDN'T LOOK AT INFLATION CORRECTLY AND THAT IS THAT ABOUT?

>> THEY ARE NOMINAL NUMBERS, IN NAME ONLY AND ADD INFLATION EFFECTS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EFFECTS 30 YEARS FROM NOW, IT'S BIG COMPARED TO NOW.

AND USUALLY WHAT ECONOMISTS DO IS NET PRESENT VALUE AND THE NET EFFECT IS THAT YOU DISCOUNT FUTURE MONEY AND FOCUS ON THE PRESENT VALUE.

SO, FOR INSTANCE, IN MY STUDY, $125,000 FIVE YEARS FROM NOW IS $100,000 NET TODAY.

THAT'S SOMETHING THEY DIDN'T DO AT ALL.

>> Ted: CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING INFLATION, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL BOATS RISING TO THE SIGNIFICANT LEVEL, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE PROVIDED IT IS SIGNIFICANT AND YOU'RE EXPECTING IT TO BE.

DOESN'T THAT MEAN THE VALUE WOULD STILL BE IN THE SAME RANGE AS WHAT THAT INFLATION IS IN TERMS OF THE RAW NUMBERS?

>> YOU ADD UP THOSE NUMBERS AND MAKES THE NUMBERS LOOK BIGGER OTHERWISE AND SO, THAT MAKES PEOPLE THINK, WOW, A HUGE EFFECT WHEN THEY WERE ADDING INFLATION ONTO IT.

IF THEY HADN'T DONE THAT, THE SAME NUMBER REPEATED OVER AND OVER.

>> Ted: DIFFERENT PROJECT MIGHT BRING IN MORE REVENUE AND WHAT, NO ARENA OR MUSIC VENUE?

>> THAT WAS PART OF THE OPPORTUNITY COSTS.

THAT'S WITH A LOT OF CAVEAT.

THERE'S AN IDEA THAT THIS IS THE BEST POSSIBLE USE OF THE 46 ACRES.

AND SO WE DECIDED, WELL, OPPORTUNITY COSTS MEANS WHAT'S THE NEXT BEST ALTERNATIVE?

AND THAT ONE, WE'RE LOOKING AT IF IT GOT FILLED UP IN A SIMILAR WAY AS THE TEMPE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT AND WE REMOVED THE ARENA AND WE REMOVED THE MUSIC VENUE AND HALF THE HOTEL SPACE AND THAT REPLACED IT WITH HALF THE RETAIL SPACE AND 50% OFFICE SPACE AND 50% RESIDENCES AND THAT WON'T HAPPEN FOR A FEW YEARS AND ADDING UP THE TAX REVENUE, IT CAME OUT ABOUT THE SAME.

>> Ted: I CAN SEE THE OTHER SIDE SAYING THAT'S A GREAT GAME.

WHERE ARE THE DEVELOPERS BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN THERE FOR DECADES AND GENERATIONS.

THIS IS THERE AND THIS IS ASSUMED AND DO THEY HAVE A POINT?

>> THAT'S A REASONABLE POINT.

ON THE OTHER HAND, THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS WAS COOKED AND SO TEMPE REQUIRED IT TO HAVE AN ARENA AND NOW NO DEVELOPER IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WILL BUILD AN ARENA UNLESS THEY HAVE A TENANT.

>> Ted: YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING AND IF THIS IS NOT HAPPENING, NOTHING HAPPENED THERE BEFORE AND SOMETHING COULD HAPPEN NOW AND THAT'S A GOOD THING.

>> SO THE OTHER OPTION TEMPE HAS, THEY COULD SUBDIVIDE AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEVELOP ALL 46-ACRE ACRES AT ONCE AND WE ESTIMATE THE SELLING PRICE FOR THE LAND AFTER THEY REMEDIATE IT AND YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PAY AND SELLING FOR $25 A SQUARE FOOT AND WE FIND $50 IS PROBABLY A MORE ACCURATE PRICE.

THE REASON THEY GOT A LOWER PRICE, THEY WERE NEGOTIATING FROM A WEAKER STANDPOINT AND ONE DEVELOPER TO DO 46 ACHE ACRES AND THEY GAVE THAT AS A BREAK TO DEVELOPERS.

>> Ted: $220 MILLION IN PUBLIC BENEFITS AND IT'S REALLY ONLY 6 MILLION.

WHERE DID THE PREVIOUS REPORTS GET THIS WRONG?

>> SHOULD TAKE THAT TO THE BANK NECESSARILY, AND GENERALLY, WHAT WE FOUND -- THE QUITE COYOTES SAID THERE WOULD BE 150 NET GAME TO TEMPE AND THE 100 STEVE 100 STRATEGIC PARTNERS -- SO THE QUITE COYOTES, THEY USED A MULTIPLIER THAT WAS TOO BIG AND INFLATED THE EFFECTS.

I TALKED ABOUT THE 10% AND YOU NEED TO TAKE OUT -- TEMPE DOESN'T GET THE FULL TAX MONEY WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE.

I SAID IF ALL OF THEIR ASSUMPTIONS ARE RIGHT AND LEFT OFF THE ASSUMPTION AND $47 MILLION GETS LOST AND LOSE 25% OF THAT GAIN SAYING THE CITY HAS.

THOSE ERRORS THAT I FOUND LOOKING MORE IN-DEPTH AT THE REPORT.

>> Ted: AND WE HAD BOTH SIDES ON THE PROGRAM ARGUING FOR AND AGAINST AND SIDE FOUR SAYS A PRIVATELY FUNDED PROJECT AND CRITCRITICS ARE SAYING 519 IN FINANCIAL AGAINS AND PUBLIC BENEFITS AND I THINK YOU CALLED SELF-SERVING PERKS REGARDING TRANSPORTATION SIGNAGE, ART AND THESE SORTS OF THINGS.

FRANKLY, WHERE ARE THEIR ASSUMPTIONS WRONG AND YOUR ASSUMPTIONS RIGHT?

>> THEY LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING.

IF YOU BUILD A HOTEL, PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO TRAVEL TO TEMPE BECAUSE THERE WAS A HOTEL BUILT AND LIKEWISE, THERE'S BECAUSE OFFICE SPACE BUILT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN SOMEBODY WILL START A BUSINESS.

THOSE ARE PASSIVE IMPACTS OF THE PROJECT AND IT'S DANGEROUS TO ESTIMATE EFFECTS OF THAT.

YOU DON'T NEED A COMMUNITY FACILITY'S DISTRICT FOR THAT PART TO HAPPEN.

THE REASON FOR THE COMMUNITY FACILITY'S DISTRICT IS TO GET THE ARENA AND THE MUSIC VENUE.

SO THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE ABLE TO STAND ON THEIR OWN AND OUR PROJECT FOUND, THEY DON'T STAND ON THEIR OWN.

THAT'S LIKE A KEY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

>> Ted: HOW MUCH DOES CLEANING UP THE SITE WHICH THE PROPONENTS EMPHASIZE ON?

>> THAT'S THE BOND INCLUDING THAT $73 MILLION FOR REMEDIATION AND THAT WILL HAPPEN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

TO SAY IT'S PRIVATELY FUNDED IS TRUE AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A NUANCE BECAUSE, I MEAN, THE CITY COULD PAY FOR THE $73 MILLION REMEDIATION AND THEY WOULDN'T LOSE MONEY AND GAIN MONEY.

THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS THE CITY COULD APPROACH IT AND DISINGENUOUS.

>> Ted: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND TELLING US ABOUT THIS REPORT.

DO YOU THINK THE PLAN AS IT STANDS VIOLATES THE CONSTITUTION, THE STATE CONSTITUTION'S DIFFERENT CLAUSE?

>> I'M NOT A LAWYER.

THAT ONE I DON'T KNOW AND WE DID DISCOUNT THE CASH BENEFITS AND I'LL TAKE THE NAMING RIGHT AND NAMING RIGHTS IS A HUGE PART OF THE CASH BENEFITS AND THAT'S THE VALUE OF IN TEMPE.

THE WAY I APPROACH IT, I'M THINKING IF THE CITY OF TEMPE HAD TO PAY FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING TO SAY IT'S WORTH THAT MUCH.

BUT HOW MUCH WOULD THEY PAY FOR IT AND THEY WOULD RATHER SPEND IT ON OTHER THINGS AND IT'S DISCOUNTED.

>> Ted: DAVE WELLS, BUSY MAN, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> GLAD TO JOIN US.

>> Ted: UP NEXT, RESEARCH TO HELP OLDER ADULTS WITH TREATMENT RESISTANT DEPRESSION.

HOPEFUL AS PART OF OURASM ARP SPONSORED SEGMENT HIGHLIGHTING ISSUES IMPORTANT TO ADULTS WITH TREATMENT RESISTANT DEPRESSION AND DR. JORDAN CARP IN TUCSON AND THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA.

DR. CARP, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

THIS LOOKS AT OLDER ADULTS AND ANTIDEPRESSANTS AND THE ADDITION TO SOMETHING AS OPPOSED TO THE REPLACEMENT OF SOMETHING.

TRUE?

>> THAT'S RIGHT AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME, TED.

>> OLDER ADULTS DIFFICULT TO TREAT AND CLINICIANS STRUGGLE WHEN WE'RE TREATING WITH ANTI-DRESSANTDEPRESSANTS AND SHOULD WE AUGMENT AND THIS IS WHAT THIS STUDY WAS TESTING.

>> Ted: DO WE KNOW WHY ANTI-DEPRESSANTS, THEY DON'T WORK IN OLDER ADULTS, AS WELL.

>> THEY'RE NOT JUST AN OLDER VERSION OF A YOUNG PERSON BECAUSE THERE'S PHYSIOLOGIC AND BRAIN CHANGES THAT COULD AFFECT THE WAY ANTI-DEPRESSANTS ARE WORKING IF THE REST OF THE BODY.

>> Ted: WHAT IS, AND I WON'T BEGIN TO TELL YOU THE DRUG PAYMENT BUT ABILIFY?

>> THAT'S THE BRAND NEW AND WE SHOWED THAT AUGMENTATION WITH ARPIPRIFAL WELLBUTRIN.

THIS JUST MEANS THAT THE FARMCO DOWNTOWN COREDYNAMICS CAN HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY OF WORKING.

>> Ted: THIS IS AUGMENTATION AS OPPOSED TO ENHANCEMENT.

>> WE FOUND AUGMENTATION WAS BETTER AND SAFER THAN AUGMENTATION WITH THE OTHER DRUG WITH WELBUTRIN AND FEWER RISK OF FALLS WHICH WE KNOW ARE A RISK FOR OLDER ADULTS AND SOMETHING THAT OLDER ADULT PATIENTS WANTED TO FOCUS ON.

>> Ted: WHAT ABOUT SIDE EFFECTS?

WHAT DID YOU FIND THERE?

>> THAT THEY WERE PRETTY SIMILAR AND AUGMENTATION WITH ARPIPRIZOL THAT ONE IN THREE PEOPLE HAD A FALL WEIRD WEIRD COMPARED TO ONE IN TWO.

>> Ted: 30% OF PATIENTS WERE HELPED AND THAT'S FOOD, BUT IT'S NOT A MAJORITY AND WHAT DO THE OTHER 70% DO NOW?

>> THAT'S THE PIVOTAL QUESTION.

THESE PEOPLE WERE TRIED ON AND NOT RESPONDED TO ON AVERAGE TWO AND A HALF DIFFERENT ANTI-DEPRESSANTS.

THE FACT WE COULD GET 30% WELL WITH THE DRUG TOLERABLE AND I AGREE THAT 77% OF PEOPLE DID NOT GET BETTER AND THIS SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT WE NEED EVEN BETTER, FASTER, NOVEL MECHANISM DRUGS TO HELP OLDER OLDER ADULTS.

>> Ted: DOES THIS GIVE YOU IDEAS ON WHERE TO GO NEXT?

>> IT DOES.

SO ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON DEVELOPING IS USING A NOVEL MECHANISM DRUG CALLED KETAMINE AND IT'S APPROVED AND AN INTERNASAL FORM FOR DIFFICULT TO TREAT DEPRESSION AND DEPRESSION WITH SUICIDAL THOUGHTS WE WANT TO SEE IF INTERVENOUS KETERMINE WITHIN HOURS IS SAFE.

>> Ted: LAST QUESTION BEFORE YOU GO AND QUICKLY HERE, YOU MENTIONED A BIOLOGICAL DIFFERENCES IN OLDER ADULTS THAN YOUNGER ADULTS AND THE TREATMENT CHANGES, DOES THE COURSE OF THE DISEASE CHANGE?

I MEAN, DO WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

>> SURE.

THE COURSE CAN CHANGE WITH OLDER ADULTS AND THEY CAN HAVE A MORE BRITTLE RESPONSE AND WHILE THEY CAN RESPOND AND REMIT LIKE YOUNGER PEOPLE, THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE A RECURRENCE AND MAKES US THINK OF THIS AS A CHRONIC CONDITION WE NEED TO TREAT LIKE HYPERTENSION OR DIABETES WITH MAINTENANCE PSYCHOTHERAPY AND HEALTHY BEHAVIORS TO KEEP PEOPLE WELL.

>> Ted: WE HERE THE ENCOURAGEMENT AND DR. CARP, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> A NEW BOOK ABOUT ALL SORTS OF THINGS IN ARIZONA CALL "AWESOME ARIZONA" AND 200 AMAZING FACTS ABOUT THE GRAND CANYON STATE AND WE WELCOME ROGER BACK.

>> IT'S A PLEASURE.

>> Ted: TWO HUNDRED FACTS AND COMMENTARY ON ARIZONA.

HOW DID YOU CHOSE WHAT TO PICK?

>> THAT'S THE HARD PART ABOUT WHAT TO LEAVE OUT.

I FELT LIKE SOMEBODY NEEDED TO SAY IT, ARIZONA IS AWESOME AND I TRIED TO DO A MIX OF BIG, OBVIOUS FACTS AND FACTS PEOPLE DON'T KNOW AND A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT THEY MIGHT FIND, MIGHT SPUR THEM TO GET OUT AND EXPLORE MORE AND HISTORIC TID BITS AND IT'S IT'S A LOVE LETTER TO ARIZONA AND EVERYTHING I WRITE IS JUST A CELEBRATION OF THIS BEAUTIFUL STATE.

>> Ted: ARE YOU SURPRISED ABOUT WHAT YOU FIND?

>> I'M ALWAYS UNCOVERING NEW THINGS I DIDN'T KNOW AND THAT GETS ME MORE EXCITED AND I LIKE TO DIG OUT MORE EXMOREAND FOR FACTS.

I HAVE A LIST OF NEW ONES AND I SHOULD HAVE PUT THAT ONE IN THERE.

>> Ted: LET'S LOOK AT THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND THE ITEMS YOU HAVE INCLUDING A MULE CARRYING THE MAIL IN ARIZONA.

>> THERE'S ONE PLACE IN THE UNITED STATES WHERE MAIL IS STILL DELIVERED BY MULE AND THAT'S HERE IN ARIZONA AND IT'S VILLAGE OF SUPAI, AND THE BEAUTIFUL WATERFALLS AND SPECTACULAR.

AND THE ONLY PLACE IN THE UNITED STATES.

>> Ted: ONLY PLACE IN THE U.S., HUH?

>> AND ONLY BY MULE RANCH.

AND IF YOU'RE IN PHANTOM RANCH AND YOU CAN WRITE A POSTCARD.

[ Laughter ] >> Ted: AND IN ARIZONA CITY THAT HAS LIGHTHOUSE AND HOW DOES AN ARIZONA CITY HAVE A LIGHTHOUSE?

>> YOU'LL WIN BAR BETS WITH THIS AND NO ONE WILL DO THIS.

ARIZONA CITY HAS THE MOST LIGHTHOUSES OF ANY TOWN AND THAT'S LAKE HAVASU AND SCALED DOWN VERSIONS OF FAMOUS AND FULLY FUNCTIONED, NAVIGATIONAL AIDS ALONG THE HOR SHORE AND SOME YOU CAN SEE AND OTHERS YOU NEED TO VISITPY VISIT BY BOAT.

GET A MAP TO ALL 28 AND EXPLORE.

>> Ted: THE LONDON BRIDGE AND LIGHTHOUSES.

AND THE NEXT ONE -- THIS IS AN INTERESTING ONE BECAUSE NATIONAL MONUMENTS AND WE HAVE A LOT OF THEM, DON'T WE?

>> WE HAVE MORE NATIONAL MONUMENTS THAN ANY OTHER STATE AND WE'RE KNOWN AS THE GRAND CANYON STATE AND THREE NATIONAL PARKS AND THEY REQUIRE AN ACT OF CONGRESS FOR A NATIONAL PARK AND NATIONAL MONUMENTS CAN BE DONE BY NATIONAL DECREE AND THEY COVER SOME OF THE MOST SPECTACULAR SCENERY FROM VERMILLION CLIFFS AND INCREDIBLE HISTORY AND CULTURAL PARKS AND THE CASA GRANDE RUINS AND THEY PROTECT RUINS.

>> Ted: LET'S TALK POKER.

THE LONGEST POKER GAME IN HISTORY.

>> WE PLAYED THE LONGEST GAME IN HISTORY DOWN IN TOMBSTONE AND KNOWN FOR THE MOST FAMOUS GUN FIGHT IN THE OLD WEST.

THE "NEW YORK TIMES" CALLED IN THE MOST WICKED NIGHT SPOT BETWEEN BASIN STREET AND THE BARBERRY COAST AND WENT NONSTOP AND THE POKER GAME WAS PLAYED AND DESPITE A THOUSAND DOLLARS BUY-IN, IT RAN NONSTOP FOR EIGHT YEARS, FIVE MONTHS AND THREE DAYS.

>> Ted: HOW IS IT THON STOP?

YOU HAVE TO GET UP AND EAT?

>> PEOPLE COMING IN AND PEOPLE LIKE DOC HOLIDAY AND GEORGE HURST AND THE BIRD CAGE IS AMAZING AND ONCE THE MINES STARTED TO CLOSE, THEY SHUT DOWN AND LEFT EVERYTHING AS IS AND REOPENED DECADES LATER.

STILL, THERE'S MORE THAN 140 BULLET HOLES IN THE WALLS AND 26 MEN DIED ON THE BIRDCAGEFLOOR AND THEY DO GHOST TOURS AND YOU CAN VISIT AND JUST SEE A REALLY NICE PIECE OF HISTORY.

>> Ted: QUICKLY, THE LAST ONE IS A PAINTING ON A CANYON NORTH OF KINGMAN AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT IT.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE ROCKS PAINTED AND WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT?

>> ROADWAY >> ROY PURCELL, IN THE TOWN OF CHLORIDE, THEY WANTED TO TRY SOMETHING BIG AND DRAMATIC AND HE PAINTED A MURAL CALLED THE "JOURNEY, 2,000 FEET" AND HE TOUCHED IT UP.

>> Ted: ROGERNAYLOR, THANK YOU FOR MAKING TIME FOR US.

>> ANY TIME.

>> Ted: AND THIS THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.