>>> CRIMINALIZING SOME BYSTANDERS TO POLICE ACTION.

A BLOWUP BY A DEMOCRAT YOU BE SENATE CANDIDATE PLUS I-GAMING GOES NOWHERE THIS SESSION AND MORE.

FROM THE TELEVISION STUDIOS OF WFYI IT'S INDIANA LAWMAKERS FOR MARCH 10, 2023.

INDIANA LAWMAKERS INSIDE INDIANA BUSINESS IS MADE POSSIBLE BY PUBLIC BROADCASTING STATIONS.

>> THIS WEEK INDIANA LAWMAKERS WANT TO CRIMINALIZE BY STANDERS WHO GET WITHIN 25 FEET OF POLICE AFTER BEING TOLD TO STOP.

PROPOSED LEGISLATION PASSED OUT OF THE SENATE COMMITTEE TUESDAY.

THE BILL'S PROPONENTS IT'S ABOUT HELPING KEEP LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE PUBLIC SAFE BY STOPPING PEOPLE FROM INTERFERING WITH POLICE WHILE THEY'RE DOING THEIR JOB.

JORDAN BUCKLEY IS A HOWARD COUNTY SHERIFF.

>> A POLICE OFFICER NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS ON THE PERSON OR PERSONS THEY'RE DEALING WITH AND NOT THE DISTRACTIONS.

>> POLICE INSIST THE BILL IS ABOUT HELPING THEM CONTROL PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING ANTAGONISTIC, BUT THE BILL CREATES A CRIME FOR A PERSON WHO ENCROACHED ON A 25-FOOT BUBBLE AFTER BEING TOLD TO STOP.

JASON RILEY IS FOR YOUNG AMERICANS FOR LIBERTY.

>> THE BILL IN HINTS THE BY STANDERS' ABILITY TO WITNESS POLICE MISCONDUCT.

>> THE BILL PASSED ON PARTY LINES.

>> IS THIS A WORTHY IDEA THAT'S HARD TO LEGISLATE?

IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL.

DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY, REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN, JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS, AND NIKI KELLY, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF OF THE INDIANA CAPITAL CHRONICLE.

AND I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING STATE HOUSE BUREAU CHIEF BRANDON SMITH.

MIKE IS THIS BILL SIMPLY WRITTEN TOO BROAD?

>> IT'S HARD TO WRITE IT NARROWLY BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS THAT A POLICE ACTION OR NOT?

NOW WE HAVE TO DEFINE DUTY AND HERE'S ALL THE THINGS ARE A POLICE OFFICER'S DUTY AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOUSE BILL 1407 A COUPLE WEEKS AGO ON JUDICIAL DISCRETION, WHAT OFFICERS NEED IS DISCRETION WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW THEY'RE TRYING TO DEESCALATE SITUATION, AND WE BROUGHT UP GEORGE FLOYD AS THE EXTREME EXAMPLE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING THE LEGISLATE HERE, THESE OFFICERS ARE IN A SITUATION THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AND DEESCALATE AND DEAL WITH THE PERSON THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH, SO TO SAY THAT YOU CAN FILM ME, YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE OVER THERE WHEN YOU DO IT.

WHAT WE DON'T NEED IN THE GEORGE FLOYD SITUATION IS BY STANDERS OR OTHER PEOPLE GETTING INVOLVED.

THAT'S NOT A BETTER OUT COME.

AND SO WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO -- AND THE SHERIFF TESTIFIED IN HIS TESTIMONY, THEY'RE BEING ASKED TO FIGURE OUT ON THE STREET IN A MOMENT, AND HAVING OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED BECAUSE THEY'RE -- WHETHER IT'S POLITICAL REASONS OR TRYING TO INTERFERE IS WHAT THEY DON'T NEED.

>> WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO A LEVEL THAT'S ON THE GROUND -- >> MIKE YOUNG, WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S -- RIGHT BUT THAT IS WHERE YOU GET INTO TROUBLE IS DISCRETION, BECAUSE DISCRETION CAN BE MISSION USED.

>> THE OFFERINGSES INVOLVED IN GEORGE FLOYD THAT'S NOT A BETTER OUT COME.

>> NO, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BROUGHT UP IN THE COMMITTEE IS ONE OF THE SENATORS IS IT ASKED ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AN OFFICER WALKINGS DOWN THE STREET ON HIS PATROL?

IS THAT THE THE SITUATION IS THIS NO, IT'S PART OF AN INVESTIGATION, YOU'RE ARRESTING SOMEONE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY THE BILL.

CAN I ARGUE AN OFFICER IS WALKING DOWN THE STREET AND HAS A 25-FOOT BUBBLE?

>> WHICH IS WHY WE DON'T NEED THIS BILL.

I AGREE THE OFFICERS NEED TO BE IN CONTROL.

YOU CAN SAY YOU CANNOT INTERFERE IN THE PROCESS OF MAKING AN ARREST AND IF YOU INTERFERE YOU'RE GOING TO BE ARRESTED.

THEY CAN DO THAT RIGHT NOW.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE A MEASURING TAPE TO SAY HOW FAR OUT THEY CAN BE.

THEY HAVE THAT DISCRETION, TO SAY TO THE SPOUSE OF THE PERSON LYING ON THE GROUND YOU CAN GO YOU CAN'T.

THEY CAN ALREADY DO THAT, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND -- THIS IS HABILITATION WELL-INTENTIONED BUT NOT WELL THOUGHT OUT.

>>> FOLKS LIKE THE ACLU -- OR NOT THE ACLU, THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S COUNCIL BROUGHT UP THERE'S A LAW ABOUT INTER INTERFERING WITH AN OFFICER BUT IT COULD BE APPLIED TO POLICE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> AND I THINK THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE -- AND I'M GOING TO ADMIT MANAGER SOMETHING HERE, I WATCH ON PATROL LIVE EVERY SATURDAY NIGHT AND THESE KIND OF INCIDENTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE ON TOP TO HAVE POLICE BUT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ACTIVELY INTERFERING WITH THE POLICE AND STANDING FIVE FEET AWAY AND HOLDING A CAMERA AND RECORDING TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS ACCOUNTABLE, BUT IT STOPS THAT PART TOO AND I THINK THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT PEOPLE HAVE.

>> AND YOU KNOW -- ACLU'S KATIE BLARE THIS SESSION HAS TESTIFIED A LONG SIDE JIM LUCAS, AMERICANS FOR PROSPERITY AND YOUNG AMERICANS FOR LIBERTY WHICH IS WHAT I IMAGINE ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT BILLS WHICH IS NOT HOW I MA'AM IMAGINE THE SESSION GOING, BUT YOUNG AMERICAN BROUGHT UP THE EXAMPLE OF A ROOM, A TEN BY TEN-FOOT ROOM THAT POLICE OFFICERS ARE TRYING TO ARREST SOMEONE, THEY CAN ORDER A PERSON OUT OF THE ROOM SHIELDING THEIR ACTIONS FROM ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.

25 FEET AWAY IS NOT THAT FAR, I CAN STILL RECORD, YEAH MAYBE IS THE A ANSWER TO THAT, RIGHT?

>> SURE, WHAT IF YOU'RE ON A BUSY THOROUGHFARE AND SOMETHING IS TAKING PLACE ON THE SIDEWALK AND THEY SAY I WANT YOU OUT, THE ONLY PLACING TO IS IN THE MIDDLE OF ONCOMING TRAFFIC, NOBODY IS GOING TO DEMAND THAT I WOULD HOPE BUT THE POSSIBILITY EXISTS.

IT SEEMS TO ME THERE ARE PRACTICAL CONSIDERATIONINGS AND YOU JUST TOUCHED ON THEM, HOW IS THIS GOING TO BE ENFORCED AND IF IT IS ENFORCED HOW CAN IT BE ABUSED AND THERE SEEMS TO BE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT.

ASIDE FROM THE PRACTICAL CONSIDERSES THERE IS A SAD PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION TO BE HAD THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.

THERE WAS A TIME WHEN I'M OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER OFFICER FRIENDLY PROGRAMS AND IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE POLICE, THEY'RE NOT UNTOUCHABLES, THEY'RE PEOPLE, THEY BREATHE, THEY EAT, THEY'RE DADS AND MOMS AND THEY HAVE KIDS IN YOUR SCHOOL NEIGHBOR AND I THOUGHT WITH COMMUNITY POLICING WHERE THE COPS ARE NOT SOME STRANGER BEHIND A FACE SHIELD BUT ACTUALLY PEOPLE YOU CA COUNT ON AND ASK QUESTIONS AND TAKE INTO YOUR CONFIDENCE AND I KNOW THAT POUNDS POLLYANNA BUT IF YOU ADOPT THIS PHILOSOPHY ESSENTIALLY IT'S LIKE SOME DYSTOPIAN ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER MOVIE AND I THINK THAT'S A BUILT OF A STRETCH, BUT THAT'S WHY WE TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS.

IT SEEMS UNFORTUNATE LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS TO HAVE THAT BUBBLE AROUND IT.

>> IN A STORY THAT SEEPS MADE FOR A SHOW LIKE THIS, THE THE MAYOR AND FORMER DEMOCRATIC U.S. SENATE DEMOCRAT TOM McDERMOTT HAD DIRE RESTRICTIONS FOR DEMOCRAT'S CHANCES IN INDIANA STATE ELECTIONS.

>> IT STARTED WHEN RON KLAIN, A NATIVE HOOSIER TWEETED A TO FIND GREAT CANDIDATES TO RUN FOR SENATE.

THAT SEEMED TO HIT A NETWORK AND HE CLAIMED KLAIN A JAG-OFF AND SAID THEY DIDN'T HELP DEMOCRATS'S CAMPAIGN.

THE TIMES IN NORTH INDIANA REPORTED THAT TWO DAYS LATER HE WENT ON THE RADIO AND SAID DEMOCRATS WILL NEVER WIN STATEWIDE UNTIL THEIR CANDIDATES ARE NOR MODERATE, IN THE MOLD McDERMOTT SAID OF FORMER SENATORS JOE DON IS THERE ANY AND EVAN BAYH.

>>> I THINK IT'S STILL A WINNING FORMULA BUZZ THE REPUBLICANS HAVE GONE SO FAR TO THE RIGHT.

SOME OF THE PHILOSOPHY THEY SHARE NOW AND THE IDEA THEY SHARE ARE SO CRAZY THAT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM IN THE MIDDLE FOR A MODERATE THAT WANTS TO BE WITH A BIPARTISAN APPROACH.

BUT IT BEEN FAIR ABOUT THIS, AN ELECTION WITH AN OPEN SEAT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALLGAME FROM AN ELECTION WITH AN INCUMBENT WITH ALL THE RESOURCES AN INCUMBENT HAS, AND AGAIN BANNINGS IS PART OF A MEGATRUMP FACTION OF THE REPUBLICAN AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A MAJORITY OF THE REPUBLICANs.

IT'S PROBABLY A MAJORITY OF THE REPUBLICANS IN THE STATE THAT VOTE IN PRIMARIES BUT NOT A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE AND I THINK THERE IS ROOM FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GOVERN WHO AREN'T THERE TO PICK ON POOL AND TO DEGRADE PEOPLE AND TO COME UP WITH CONSPIRACIES LIKE BANKS HAS THAT JOE BIDEN DIDN'T WIN THE SELECTION AND ANY ABORTION IS WRONG AND ON AND ON, THERE'S A LOT OF ROOMING IN THE MIDDLE FOR A GOOD CANDIDATE, AND SHAME ON THE NATIONAL DEMOCRAT IF THEY DEWPOINT SUPPORT IS THAT GOOD CANDIDATE.

>> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT McDERMOTT'S COMMENTSES -- >> ME ME TOO.

>> LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION TO START THIS, WHICH IS I THINK THERE A REALLY WORTHWHILE DISCUSSION AND I THINK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY NIGHTTH NEEDS TO HAVE ABOUT WHAT DOES THE FUTURE OF OUR PARTY LOOK LIKE IN THE STATE OF INDIANA IN TERMS OF THE CANDIDATES WE'RE PUTTING UP FOR STATE WIDE OFFICE BUT HE ALSO IN TRUE TOM McDERMOTT FASHION CALLED HIM A JAG-OFF SO DID DOES IT RISK DELUDING THE MESSAGE, WHICH KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE A SORE LOSER.

>> ANN LIKES TO SAY JIM BANKS IS A TRUMPER, YOU SHOULD HAVE ELECTED TOM McDERMOTT, BECAUSE THE STYLE IS THE SAME -- >> LITTLE DIFFERENT IDEA BUT.

>> THE NATURE OF LEADERSHIP WORKS IN HAMMOND AND IT WILL CONTINUE WORKING GREAT IN HAMMOND AS LONG AS TOM WANTS TO DO IT.

IT'S -- WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AFTER THE NOVEMBER ELECTION, WHERE WE'RE AT AT A COUNTRY AND THIS MATTERS BECAUSE IT DETERMINE HOW NATIONAL GROUPS AND ORGANIZED POLITICAL PARTIES ADDRESS THEIR CANDIDATES.

THAT'S LIKE SAYING IN ILLINOIS WHEN ARE WE GOING TO ELECT A MODERATE DEMOCRAT.

YOU'RE NOT.

THE IDEAL IDEOLOGICAL MATH SUSPECT THERE.

WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IN INDIANA IS WE'VE GONE FROM A GENERATION OF MODERATE DEMOCRATS TO A NEW GENERATION OF RIGHT WING REPUBLICANS AND POP -- >> LOOK AT THE NORFOLK SOUTHERN SITUATION THAT WE'VE SEEN PLAY OUT.

WE HAVE REPUBLICANS ATTACKING DEMOCRATS AND AND DEMOCRATS TRYING TO DEFEND THE ACTIONS OF A PRIVATE COMPANY THAT POLLUTED.

THE POLITICS ARE COMPLETELY FLIP SOD THAT MEANs BACK TO TOM McKERR MOM, UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO DEMONSTRATE YOU'RE GOING TO BE COMPETITIVE -- >>> IT MAY MATTER HERE.

>> DEMOCRATS HAVE NOT A DISSIMILAR MESSAGE FROM REPUBLICAN IN 2022 WHICH IS THEY'RE DEFENDING A LOT OF PLACES AND SOME OF THEM ARE PURPLE AT BEST, SO TO THAT END, WOULD YOU EXPECT DEMOCRATS, NATIONAL DEMOCRATS TO SPEND BIG ON INDIANA'S U.S. SENATE RACE?

>> THEY DON'T TO HAVE TO SPEND THAT BIG ON INDIANA -- >> DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO IN VEST IN INDIANA IN.

>> I THINK THEY'LL IN VEST BUT YOU CAN'T JUST -- WHEN THERE'S STILL A WILD CARD IT'S LIKE A GAME SHOW WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DOOR AS A BIG QUSTION MARK, PRICE IS RIGHT, THE DO YOU WANT TO IN VEST ALL YOUR MONEY IN THAT?

IT COULD BE A GOOFY PRIZE OR IT COULD BE GOOD, SO I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TAKING A WAIT AND SEE APPROACH TO SEE IF IT IS SOMEBODY WHO'S VIABLE.

AS FAR AS WHERE SOMEBODY SHOULD BE ON THE SPECTRUM I THINK HOOSIERERS AND MOST AMERICANS APPRECIATE GOVERNANCE IN THE MIDDLE, PRACTICAL FIRSTHAND GOVERNMENT.

THE PROBLEM IS IT ISN'T SELLABLE IN CAMPAIGNS WHERE YOU HAVE TO GET SOMEBODY REALLY SO ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THE VISION AND THE IDEAL THAT HAS BEEN PAYMENTED THAT YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING AGAIN OFF YOUR COUCH AND HELP THIS PROBLEM OR GIVE MONEY TO THIS PERSON, SO MIDDLE OF THE ROAD DOESN'T REALLY IN SPIRE THAT.

>> IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO RON KLAIN'S ORIGINAL TWEET WHICH IT FEELS LIKE SOME OF THIS WILL DEPEND ON WHO THE CANDIDATE IS, RIGHT?

>> DUH.

>> WE'RE STILL WAITING AND WE ALSO HAVE A ROB OF WE HAVE A GUN VIOLENCE'S RACE AT THE SAME TIME, SO WHO IS GOING TO WHICH SIDE AND WHO WOULD BE BETTER IN EACH RACE IS A LOT TO BE SEEN.

>> SINCE RON KLAIN IS A NATIVE HOOSIER HO GREW UP IN INDIANAPOLIS PERHAPS HE COULD RUN.

>>> TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK.

EACH WEEK WE POSE AN UNSCIENTIFIC ONLINE POLL QUESTION AND THIS WEEK 'SING QUESTION IS IS FORMER DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE TOM CORRECT THAT ONLY MODERATE DEMOCRATS CAN WIN.

A YES, B, NO.

LAST WEEK THE QUESTION 48 PERCENT OF YOU SAID YES, 52 PERCENT SAID NO.

FUND LIKE TO TAKE PART IN THE POLL GO TO WFYI.ORG/IWIR.

>>> THERE WAS A LOT OF MOMENTUM FOR INDIANA TO LEGALIZE ONLINE GAMBLING BUT A BILL TO DO SO WENT NO WHERE THIS SESSION.

>> INDIANA LEGALIZE ONLINE SPORTS GAMING IN 2019 BUT TABLE GAMES ARE STILL ONLY LEGAL AT CASINOS.

A BILL WOULD HAVE LEGALIZED ONLINE TABLE GAMES AND ONLINE LOTTERY BUT HE NEVER BROUGHT THE MEASURE FOR A HEARING THIS SESSION.

HE SAYS ME NEEDS TO BETTER EDUCATES LAWMAKERS AND THE PUBLIC ON THE IMPORTANCE OF LEGALIZING I GAMING.

>> WE NO THAT WE HAVE A VERY LARGE BLACK MARKET FOR I GAMING NOW, IT'S BEEN SHOWN IN OTHER STATES AND WE KNOW THAT BY BRINGING IT INTO THE LIGHT WE CAN ADD CONSUMER PROTECTIONS AND DO A LOT OF THINGS WITH RESPONSIBLE GAMING.

>> MANNING SAYS THE STATE ALSO NEEDS TO DETERMINE WHETHER ONLINE GAMBLING WILL HURT BRICK AND MORTAR CASINOS.

INDUSTRY STUDIES SAY IT WON'T BUT A FISCAL ANALYSIS PREDICTED IT WOULD.

>> ANY CAN I A BUNCH OF US WROTE STORIES AHEAD OF THE SAYINGS SAYING THE MOMENTUM TO DO THIS IS THE STRONGEST IT'S EVER BEEN AND THIS DIDN'T EVEN GET A HEARING, ARE YOU SURPRISED HOW THIS WENT DOWN?

>> I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF IT WAS ANOTHER BILL BUT GAMING JUST WORK IN THE SHADOWS AND I DON'T MEAN THAT IN ANY SORT OF CORRUPT WAY, I'M SAYING THERE ARE SO MANY DISCUSSIONS BEHIND ONE THING AFFECTS NINE PEOPLE OVER HERE AND THEN IF WE TALK ABOUT ONLINE GAMING THEN WE BRING UP THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT ABOUT LETTING LEGIONS AND PRIVATE CLUBS HAVE CHERRY MASTER MACHINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> TAVERNS AND GAS STATIONS AND CONVENIENCE STORES.

>> SO IT OPENS UP A HUGE PANDORA'S BOX OF WHAT WOULD COME NEXT.

>> ON GAMING YOU OFTEN HEAR THE SLIPPERY SLOPE ARGUMENT, IF WE DO THIS THEN SOON WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT BUT ON GAMING IT'S ALWAYS BEEN TRUE.

WE DID A LITTLE BIT AND THEN WE DID MORE AND THEN WE DID THIS AND WE DID THAT SO ON THAT ONE IS THAT A LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT TO SAY LET'S NOT DIP OUR TOES INTO THIS NEXT AREA?

>> HISTORICALLY WE CAN LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE, THAT HAS HAPPENED, WHETHER YOU GO WITH TABLE GAMES OR -- YES, LET'S STIPULATE THAT, SO THAT'S A FACT.

BUT THE OTHER ISSUE IS HOW MUCH PEOPLE HAVE INVESTED IN THE BRICK AND MORTAR ASPECT OF THIS.

THESE ARE COMPANIES THAT HAVE PAID -- I FORGET HOW MUCH, THE BUT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR LICENSES AND FACILITIES TO KEEP THE CONFINES AND THE PRESCRIPTION OF THE LAW CAN THE STATUTE AND THEY HAVE OTHER COMPETITIVE PRESSURES SO IF YOU OPEN THIS UP WHAT DOES IT DO TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARGUABLY WERE THERE FIRST BEFORE YOU AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARGUABLY HAVE BEEN PUMPING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO THE STATE'S COFFERS THROUGH TAXATION.

>> IT'S A HARDER SELLING POINT BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GAMING EXPANDING, THERE'S NEVER AGREEMENT YOU BE WHAT THAT CONSTITUTES BUT WENT WE TALK ABOUT GAMING EXPANDING WITH BRICK AND MORTAR CASINOS WHICH DO THEY HAVE TO STILL GO OUT ON THE RIVER?

CAN THEY DOCK PERMANENTLY?

CAN THEY MOVE ON TO LAND ENTIRELY?

IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT THERE'S AN ELEMENT THAT'S ALWAYS ABOUT THINGS MONEY THAT SOME OF WHICH IS GOING TO THE STATE BUT SOME OF IT'S GOING INTO THAT LOCAL COMMUNITY, THESE ARE JOBs.

BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE FOR ONLINE GAMING.

>> IT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT AND FULL DISCLOSURE OUR FIRM IS HEAVILY INVOLVED THIS THIS FOR THE ONLINE OPERATORS.

AND THAT WAS A HUGE PART OF THIS SO FOR DECADES -- WE DON'T HAVE A CASINO FIGHT IN INDIANA OR LEGISLATION VERY OFTEN AND BECAUSE THEY'RE HEAVY LEFTS AND A LOT GOES INTO IT AND YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW -- TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THIS WAS THE MOST ORGANIZED PUSH IN YEARS AND THAT'S WHEN THEY START SHOWING THEIR HANDS, WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S GETTING TRACTION, BUT TO YOUR COMMENT ONE TO HAVE REASONS THIS DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE IS WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THAT LOCAL COMPONENT TO IT BUT NOW YOU HAVE LEGISLATORS WHO ARE LIKE I GET A POKER TABLE IN MY POCKET.

THAT OPERATOR IS STILL GOING THROUGH A BRICK AND MORTAR CASINO AND SO IT WAS REVENUE FOR THEM AND GENERATION OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GOING TO CASINOS BUT IF YOU'RE ON OUT OUT OF STATE LEGISLATOR, YOU'RE LIKE I'M VOTING FOR THIS BUT WHAT AM IRREAL GETTING, AND THAT'S WHEN THE VGTS GET MORE TRACTION.

THERE'S REASONS NOT TO DO THAT AND THEN THE COALITIONS START FALLING PERMANENT.

>> I REMEMBER THE LAST GAMING BILL WHICH ALLOWED THE CASINO TO MOVE ON LAND.

WHEN THAT WENT THROUGH THE AUTHOR OF THAT BILL FROM FORT WAYNE WHO DOESN'T HAVE A CASINO IN HIS NECK OF THE WOODS SAID ON THE FLOOR FOR FINAL PASSAGE OF THAT BILL, THIS IS MY BILK BUT BOY I DON'T LIKE THIS IDEA OF SPORTS GAMING ONLINE -- >> NO, HE VOTED AGAINST IT.

THE CHAIRMAN OF WAYS AND MEANS SAID THAT YEAR -- AND HE VOTED AGAINST IT.

>>> SAID ABOUT THIS BILL I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF THERE BEING A CASINO IN EVERY LIVING ROOM IN INDIANA.

IS THAT WHY THIS GAMING ISSUE IS GOING TO BE HARDER THAN ANY WE'VE SEEN IN THE HISTORY OF THIS STATE.

>> I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE REASON.

THE THE OTHER REASON IS WE'RE FLUSH WITH CASH.

EVERY TIME WE'VE DONE THIS THERE'S BEEN A COMPELLING NEEDLE TO RAISE REVENUE AND REPUBLICANS DON'T WANT TO RAISE TAXES SO THEY DO IT THIS WAY, AND I THOUGHT WHEN WHETHER HE WE ADOPTED THE LOTTERY -- TALK ABOUT THE CAMEL'S NOSE UNDER THE TEMPT BUT ANOTHER DIFFERENCE IS NOBODY IS FEELING THE PRESSURE.

>> IT'S ALSO ARRANGES TO CONSUMER DEMAND.

ONLINE GAMING IS COLLEGE EDUCATED PEOPLE IS THE AVERAGE DEMOGRAPHIC AS THAT CHANGES, THE LEGISLATURE HAS TO REVISIT HOW DO WE DO THIS.

>> INDIANA FAVORITE LEADERS SAY HOOSIERS NEED AND DESERVE BETTER ONLINE RESPONSES.

>> FAVORITE LEADERS SAY MILLIONS OF HOOSIERS KNOW ONE WHO WAS OR WILL BE IN NEED OF MENTAL HEALTH SERVICE.

FOR ONE, THAT PERSON WAS HER FATHER.

HE TOLD HER HE WAS PLANNING TO DIE BY SUICIDE, SHE CONTACTED THE POLICE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ONE ELSE TO CALL.

>> MY FATHER DESERVED A PERSON TO CARE ABOUT HIM, NOT TO LOCK HIM UP AND TAKE HIM TO JAIL BUT A NUMBER TO CALL FOR HELP.

>> THE ADVOCACY GROUP MELT WITH LAWMAKERS AND DELIVERED A LETTER CALLING ON THEM TO FUND LEGISLATION THAT WOULD BOOST MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AND THE 988 CRISIS RESPONSE HOTLINE.

THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE INDIANA CATHOLIC CONFERENCE.

>> NOT A DRIBBLE, NOT SEED MONEY TO SEE HOW IT'S GOING BUT FULL AND APPROPRIATE FUNDING.

>>> FAVORITE LEADERS SAY THAT MEANS $130 MILLION.

SO FAR LAWMAKERS HAVE DISCUSSED NO MORE THAN ABOUT 30 MILLION.

>> JON SCHWANTES, THE PUBLIC HEALTH FUNDING ISSUE IS GETTING A LOT OF ATTENTION AND GENERAL SUPPORT FOR SOME SORT OF FUNDING, BUT WHY ARE WE NOT SEEING THE SAME LEVEL FOR THIS MENTAL HEALTH?

IT HAD A TWO YEAR THAT BACKS UP THE NEED FOR THAT, IT'S COSTING INDIANA BILLIONS OF DOLLARS -- >> A TWO YEAR STUDY HEADED BY SOMEBODY OF SOME PROMINENCE, LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR IN FACT.

SO I THINK THERE IS WIDESPREAD SPOT BECAUSE THIS IS AN ISSUE WHERE MENTAL ILLNESS DOESN'T RECOGNIZE R OR D OR LIBERTARIAN, THERE'S NO PARTY LABELS AND IT'S NOT AN ISSUE OR DISEASE THAT CAN -- YOU BRING ON YOURSELF BY NOT EXERCISING OR SMOKING -- >> IT'S ALSO NOT URBAN OR RURAL.

>> IT AFFECTS EVERYBODY AND I WOULD HAZARD TO GUESS EVERYONE'S FAMILY HAS BEEN TOUCHED BY MENTAL ILLNESS.

WHERE YOU GET INTO THE FRICTION IT'S NOT ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH, IT'S ABOUT THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT IN THE DELIVERY OF MENTAL HEALTH OR IN SOME CASES THE DIAGNOSIS AT YOUTH LEVELS OF MENTAL HEALTH.

>> I ALSO WANT TO ASK THIS, EVERYBODY SUPPORTED THE BILL AND THERE'S SOME SUPPORT FOR FUNDING BUT NOWHERE NEAR THE LEVEL THAT IS NEEDED FOR THE SYSTEM IN INDIANA.

THERE IS THIS A VICTIM OF THERE ARE A LOT OF BASIC TICKET REQUESTS THIS YEAR AND THIS ONE IS NOT THE SAME LEVEL?

>> IT SEEMS CLEAR THEY'RE GOING TO GET A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT, I JUST THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS, LIKE A LOT OF THING, LIKE THE HOUSING IF YOU BELIEVED OR THE PUBLIC HEALTH COMMISSION, THAT WE'RE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL EGRET THAT UPDATED REVENUE FORECAST IN LITTLE AND IN THE LAST FEW DAYS THEY'LL FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH THEN PUT TO EACH THING, BUT I THINK WE'RE PAST THE DEBATE OF NEEDING IT AND WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY HOW MUCH.

>> IS THAT THE BIGGEST HURDLE?

GETTING EVERYONE ON BOARD BUT FIGURING OUT THE DOLLARS AND CREDIBILITIES?

>> YOU GET THE HURDLE WENT WE GET THE FORECAST AND THEN THEY'LL SLIP IN AS LITTLE AS THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH DOING AND SAY THEY MET THE CRISIS, THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT THAT'S NEEDED IN MENTAL HEALTH OR PHYSICAL HEALTH OF HOOSIERS AND IT'S A DISGRACE.

WE HAVE THE MONEY, SPEND IT!

>> THAT DOESN'T -- THAT'S INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THIS WEEK.

OUR PANEL IS DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY, REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN, JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS, AND NIKI KELLY, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF OF THE INDIANA CAPITAL CHRONICLE.

YOU CAN FIND INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW'S PODCAST AND EPISODES AT WFYI.ORG/I WIR.

I'M BRANDON SMITH OF INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING.

JOIN US NEXT TIME BECAUSE A LOT CAN HAPPEN IN AN INDIANA WEEK.

THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED ARE SOLELY THOSE OF THE PANELISTS.

INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW IS A PRODUCTION IN ASSOCIATION WITH INDIANA'S PUBLIC BROADC