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[MUSIC] >> Brandon: SUZANNE CROUCH AND MIKE BRAUN OFFICIALLY LAUNCHED A BID FOR GOVERNOR NEW STATE BUDGET FORECAST, PLUS ALL COMES PAUSE ON POLITICS FOR MORE.

FROM THE TELEVISION STUDIOS AT WFYI, IT IS INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THE WEEKEND THE IN DECEMBER 16, 2022.

>> INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORTERS OF INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING STATIONS.

>> Brandon: THIS WEEK, U.S.

SENATOR MIKE BRAUN SAYS HE IS RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR TO MAKE INDIANA LEADER FOR FREEDOM, OPPORTUNITY AND PROSPERITY.

MEANWHILE, LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR SUZANNE CROUCH I WATCHED HER OWN GUBERNATORIAL BID AND SAID IF REPUBLICANS WANT TO HOLD ONTO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, THEY WILL NEED A DIFFERENT KIND OF CANDIDATE.

BRAUN'S CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED WAS AT A HIGH-END STEAKHOUSE IN DOWNTOWN INDIANAPOLIS.

SPEAKING TO A GROUP OF MAJOR GOP DONORS AND SUPPORTERS, BRAUN SAID HE WILL ENGAGE ALL OF YOU TO HELP HIM UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.

>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ISSUES THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO MOST AMERICANS, MOST HOOSIERS, I AM GOING TO WEIGH IN ON THEM.

I AM GOING TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT IS ENTREPRENEURIAL , AND MAYBE PUSH THE ENVELOPE A LITTLE BIT .

>> CREDIT SPECIFICALLY CITED HIGH HEALTHCARE PRICES, THE STATE POOR INFANT AND MATERNAL MORTALITY RATES, EDUCATION AND SALARY RAISES FOR THE STATE POLICE.

IF SUZANNE CROUCH'S NAME APPEARED ON THE BALLOT IN 2024, SHE WOULD'VE ALREADY MADE HISTORY, THE FIRST WOMAN TO RUN FOR INDIANA GOVERNOR IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARYIF SHE WERE THE GUBERNATORIAL RACE, SHE WOULD BE THE HOOSIER STATES FIRST WOMAN GOVERNOR.

CROUCH SAYS THAT GENDER IS NOT AN ISSUE HER CAMPAIGN .

>> FOR ME, I DON'T SEE MYSELF AS YOU KNOW, "I AM A FEMALE CANDIDATE OR A FEMALE OFFICEHOLDER ".

I AM A WOMAN, I AM PROUD OF THAT.

BUT, I SEE MYSELF MORE AS SOMEONE WHO'S TRYING TO GET THINGS DONE FOR HOOSIERS .

>> CROUCH THAT HER VISION FOR THE STATE IS IMPROVING QUALITY OF LIFE.

DOING SO BUILDS ON THE EXISTING ECONOMIC FOUNDATION BAFFLES MEASURES THAT CROUCH SAID HAVE NOT BEEN FOCUSED ON, INCLUDING MENTAL HEALTH, ADDICTION AND PUBLIC HEALTH.

>> Brandon: DO REPUBLICANS NEED A DIFFERENT KIND OF CANDIDATE?

IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL.

DEMOCRAT ANN DE LANEY .

REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN.

JON SCHWANTES, HOSTED INDIANA LAWMAKERS .

AND WHITNEY DOWNARD, SENIOR REPORTER FOR THE INDIANA CAPITAL CHRONICLE.

I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING STATUS BUREAU CHIEF BRANDON SMITH.

ANN DE LANEY, CROUCH SAYS SHE DOES NOT SEE GENDER AS AN ISSUE IN THE CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE SHE RIGHT?

>> Ann: OF COURSE SHE IS NOT RIGHT.

DEMOCRATS REPUBLICANS HAVE NEVER ELECTED A WOMEN GOVERNOR.

HE PUT THE GLASS CEILING RIGHT OUT THERE AND NEVER LET THEM GO ANY HIGHERIT IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE AS TO WHETHER REPUBLICANS CAN NOMINATE A WOMAN , AND THEN WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

THE OTHER ISSUE THAT SHE IS RIGHT ABOUT THE KIND OF CANDIDATE.

SINCE MITCH DANIELS LEFT, WE HAVE HAD A MERRY-GO-ROUND OF MEDIOCRE CANDIDATES SWITCHING JOBS LEFT AND RIGHT.

NONE OF THEM HAVE ANY IDEAS, NONE OF THEM HAVE ANY PROGRAMS .

FREEDOM, PROSPERITY AND OPPORTUNITY?

THEY HAVE BEEN IN CHARGE FOR 20 SOMETHING YEARS!

YOU DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD BE FREE TO MARRY WHOEVER YOU LIKE, AND YOU DON'T THINK WOMEN SHOULD BE FREE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THEIR OWN BODIES.

YOU DON'T EVEN THINK VOTERS SHOULD BE CHOOSE FREE TO CHOOSE WHO THE PRESIDENT IS IF YOU ARE MIKE BRAUN.

YOU GET ALL OF THAT .

HE BOTTOM SAW A SIGN THAT SAID SEAT, NOW HE WANTS TO BUY HIMSELF THE GOVERNOR SEATS.

THAT MIGHT BE EXCUSABLE , IF HE HAD SOMETHING HE WANTED TO ACCOMPANY OR DO.

BUT, THERE WILL BE DEVOID OF ANY MEANINGFUL IDEAS TO MOVE THE STATE FORWARD AND THE KEEP REVOLVING AROUND IN DIFFERENT OFFICES, THEY GO FROM THE HOUSE TO THE SENATE, THE SENATE TO THE GOVERNOR, ON AND ON WITH THE SAME GROUP OF MEDIOCRE CANDIDATES .

>> Brandon: I WANT TO TURN TO SUZANNE CROUCH FOR A SECOND.

SHE SAYS I DON'T SEE MYSELF AS A FEMALE OFFICEHOLDER OR CANDIDATE.

IS THAT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE FOR VOTERS?

POSITIVELY OR NEGATIVELY?

>> Mike: OF COURSET SHOULD BE, THE INDIANA PUBLICAN PARTY FOR A LONG TIME HAS , FOR DECADES NOW, MAY TRAINING AND RECRUITING WOMEN FOR ALL OFFICES A PRIORITY .

SO WE'VE HAD MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, SO MANY MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, ALL OF OUR STATEWIDE ELECTED OFFICES AND ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES.

NOW YOU GET TO THE CANDIDATES TURNING POINT WHERE YOU HAVE NOW HAVE A LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR , PREVIOUS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR DECIDED NOT TO.

IT'S NOT THAT WE WERE DENYING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY .

>> Ann: OR MAYBE THEY WERE TOLD THEY WANTED TO.

>> Mike: THEY WERE, I WAS THERE.

THEY DECIDED NOT TO.

WE HAD THIS VERY INTENTIONAL EFFORT THAT WE NOW DUPLICATED, WE WERE SERIOUS FOR 30 YEARS TO RECRUIT AND TRAIN WOMEN FOR OFFICE AND IT NOW, WE HAVE REPLICATED THAT FOR MINORITIES .

TO BEGIN INVESTING IN DIVERSITY IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, KNOWING THAT NEED TO BE A PRIORITY.

NOW, WE DO HAVE A MAJOR PARTY CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR AS WOMAN.

VICTORIA SPARKS IS TALKING ABOUT BEING A CANDIDATE FOR THE U.S. SENATE.

THAT IS HAPPENING, THE EVOLUTION IS GREAT.

IT IS INTENTIONAL AND VERY ENCOURAGING IT SHOULD BE AN ISSUE .

>> Brandon: AFTER THE MAY PRIMARY OF CLAIM 24, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT BOTH THE PRIMARY REPUBLICANS CAN BE WOMEN.

TALKING ABOUT MIKE BRAUN, I WAS AT THIS EVENT , THE OPTICS OF IT SEEMED A LITTLE STRAINED STRANGE.

HIGH-END STEAKHOUSE , NO AND QUESTIONS FROM THE PRESS.

I CANNOT TELL YOU WHAT HE IS RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR QUITE FRANKLY.

AS YOU KICKOFF TO THE CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE TO SLEEP A LOT TO THE IMAGINATION?

>> Jon: IS ATYPICAL FROM WHAT WE SEE MORE OFTEN FROM OFFICE THESE DAYS.

IT MIGHT BE SITTING ON PAY BILLS DURING THE HARVEST PERIOD , MIPS SUNDAY SCHOOL OR CHURCH READING FELLOW PARISHIONERS BEFORE OR AFTER THE POTLUCK.

AT A FACTORY.

THOSE ARE CLICHC , BUT THEY ARE CLICHC BECAUSE THEY ARE PRETTY COMMON.

PEOPLE TO BUILD A LOT OF MESSAGING INTO THEIR ANNOUNCEMENTS.

NOW, WHAT IS AT WORK HERE IS , THAT TOOK A BACKSEAT TO EXPEDIENCY.

>> Brandon: IF YOU WERE STARTING A CAMPAIGN REALLY LATE, PUTTING YOURSELF IN FRONT OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD - - WE ARE WAY AHEAD OF THE NORMAL SCHEDULE .

>> Brandon: IF YOU ARE NOT TOP-TIER THEM EVERY DAY YOU DON'T JUMP, IF YOU LIKE YOU ARE WASTING TIME .

>> HE IS KNOWN THAT FOR YEARS .

>> I WANT TO ADD THIS POINT ABOUT MIKE BRAUN'S ANNOUNCEMENT.

THE SENATE CAMPAIGN BOTH IN THE PRIMARY AND GENERAL ELECTION.

HE RAN HIMSELF AS A DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE, BUT BLUE SHIRT BECAME A SIGNATURE , NO TIE, NO JACKET, AW SHUCKS MAIN STREET EVERYMAN.

THIS DOES NOT FIT WITH THAT IMAGE, DOES IT?

>> THAT IS NOT THE MICRON THAT WE SAW ON MONDAY.

THIS EVENT WILL HUNDREDS IT WAS FOR THE DONORS.

IT WAS NOT ANNOUNCING TO US , YOU WOULD'VE THOUGHT ABOUT CAMERA ANGERS ANGLES , YOU WOULD'VE GIVEN TO MEDIA ACCESS IF YOU WANTED IT TO BE FOR THE GREATER PUBLIC .

IT WAS JUST FOR THE 70 OR SO DONORS THAT WERE THERE.

IT WAS A COMPLETE TURNAROUND FOR WHAT I HAD HEARD ABOUT WITH THE 2018 SENATE RUN.

THE LACK OF ACCESS WAS ALSO VERY FRUSTRATING .

WE DID NOT KNOW UNTIL WE GOT THERE .

>> Brandon: TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK.

EACH WE PROPOSE AN UNSCIENTIFIC POLL QUESTION AND THIS WEEK'S QUESTION IS WHO SHOULD BE THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE FOR GOVERNOR IN 2024?

MIKE BRAUN, SUZANNE CROUCH, ERIC DODEN OR SOMEONE ELSE?

LAST WEEK'S QUESTION, IS ATTORNEY GENERAL TODD ROKITA RIGHT TO GO AFTER TIK-TOK FOR HIS ALLEGED ACCESS - - 56% OF YOU SAY YES, 42% SAY NO.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY TAKE PART IN THE POLL, GO TO WFYI.org/IWIR AND LOOK FOR THE POLL.

A NEW STATE REVENUE FORECAST PROJECTS THAT INDIANA LAWMAKERS WILL HAVE ABOUT $1.6 BILLION IN NEW MONEY TO SPEND IN THE 20 BRANDON SMITH SESSION YET, REPUBLICAN FISCAL LEADERS ARE ALREADY PREPARING TO SAY NO TO A LOT OF BUDGET REQUESTS.

>> THE FORECAST IS FOR THE STATE BUDGET, THAT IS PRESENTED TO INCREASE REVENUE BY A TWO YEAR TOTAL OF $1.2 BILLION, EVEN WITH A MILD RECESSION BUT AT THE NEXT YEAR.

SENATE GOP BUDGET ARCHITECT SAYS THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT, BUT HE KNOWS THE INDIANA STATE AGENCIES HAVE ALREADY ASKED FOR A TOTAL OF $700 MILLION A YEAR IN YOU SPENDING .

>> WE HAVE NOT EVEN DISCUSSED MEMBER REQUESTS, K-12 TUITION SUPPORT, OR HIGHER EDUCATION.

I THINK NEED TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS AS YOU MOVE FORWARD.

WE WILL WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE.

>> DEMOCRATS SAY STATE FINANCES SHOULD WEATHER ANY ECONOMIC DOWNTURN, THEY ARGUE THAT LONG-TERM ECONOMIC GROWTH REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS NOW , IN PUBLIC HEALTH AND EDUCATION .

>> Brandon: MIKE O'BRIEN, DISCUSSION THE RIGHT APPROACH YEAR?

>> Mike: IT ALWAYS IS.

THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, YOU HAVE HAD THIS BONANZA FROM TAX REVENUE AND THE STIMULUS MONEY THAT FLOWED FROM THAT YOU HAD THIS PILE OF MONEY .

THEN INFLATION WIPES A LOT OF IT OUT .

THEN, ALL THE CAPITAL PROJECT THEY PUT ON MY THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS , THE NEW PRESIDENT AND WEST FILTERED AND SLOWLY, LOOKS BEAUTIFUL, YOU SHOULD DRIVE BY IT .

THERE IS NO MONEY, THAT IS FINE.

IT IS NOT THEORETICAL THAT ALL THESE AGENCIES ARE COMING AND ASKING FOR FAR MORE MONEY THAN THEY DID TWO YEARS AGO.

THE PROJECT THAT ONGOING EVEN AND THE ONES THAT THEY APPROVED THE UNIVERSITIES AND OTHER PLACES ARE IN FACT FAR MORE EXPENSIVE, SUPPLY CHAIN IS AN ISSUE.

THE STATE GOVERNMENT SIDE OF THE BUDGET HAS BEEN GRAPPLING THIS FOR THE LAST 18 MONTHS .

>> WE HAD THE ECONOMIC FORECAST FROM THE NATIONAL ADVISOR , HE'S A LISTEN, THERE IS A RECESSION COMING.

>> Ann: IT HAS BEEN COMING FOR 18 MONTHS .

>> Brandon: IT FEELS LIKE IT IS COMING THIS TIME, BUT IT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THAT BAD .

>> Ann: I'LL THINK YOU WILL EVEN NOTICE IT .

>> Brandon: EVEN GIVEN THAT THERE IS A SLIGHT DOWNTURN , ISN'T A LITTLE BIT OF CAUTION GOOD?

>> Ann: YOU ALWAYS HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CAUTION.

I'M NOT SAYING YOU SPENT EVERY SINGLE CENT, BUT THERE ARE SOME ECONOMIC POLICIES THAT YOU ARE FOLLOWING .

WE HAVE NEEDS IN THE STATE.

WE ARE UNDERPAYING OUR TEACHERS , THE HEALTH OF THE POPULATION IS AWFUL .

WE ARE NOT INVESTING IN THAT .

ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAVE HIGHER EDUCATION BEING PRICED OUT OF THE MARKET FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.

PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT STUDENT LOANS, THEY CANNOT DEAL WITH THAT.

THEY COULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE REAL PROBLEMS AND INSTEAD, THEY'LL HAVE ANY IDEAS.

THE ONLY IDEAS LET'S HOLD IT AND LET'S CUT TAXES.

THE STATE INCLUDES A MORE PROGRESSIVE FORWARD THINKING APPROACH TO THOSE PROBLEMS THAN REPUBLICAN'S ARE CURRENTLY PROVIDING .

>> Brandon: DOES THIS BUT IF YOU LIKE IT IS GOING TO BE , A LOT OF PEOPLE GET SOMETHING BUT NOBODY IS GETTING EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANT .

>> Whitney: I THINK SO.

LOT OF RESEARCHERS ARE WORKING.

FOR EXAMPLE, NURSING HOMES IT AT HOME HEALTHCARE.

EDUCATION, A LOT OF THE TARPAULIN BEHIND WE COME TO THE READING SCORESTHERE ARE ALL THESE GAPS THAT WERE EXPOSED DURING THE COVID 19 PANDEMIC THAT WE NEED TO PATCH AND REPAIR.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS EXASPERATED IN THE PANDEMIC .

>> Brandon: $1.2 BILLION IN ONGOING REVENUE IN THE NEW BUDGET , THE OTHER THREE 6 MILLION IS ACCREDITED, THIS BUDGET YEAR.

BUT, $6 MILLION A YEAR AND A TWO-YEAR STATE BUDGET, THAT GETS EATEN UP PRETTY QUICKLY, DOESN'T IT?

>> Jon: IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS, I HATE TO SAY THE IS A MINIMAL AMOUNT .

>> Brandon: THAT IS STILL GOOD NEWS GIVEN THAT THERE ARE TWO THINGS ABOUT A RECESSION .

>> Jon: IT IS GOOD NEWS AND WELCOME NEWS FOR THOSE WHO ARE SEEKING FUNDING.

THERE WILL BE ENOUGH TO PERHAPS AS YOU CAN SPREAD OUT A LITTLE BIT .

THE TRICKY PART IS FOR BUDGET ARCHITECTS, IT MAKES THE LIFE A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED .

ENTITIES AND AGENCIES, ORGANIZATIONS SHOWING UP, LINING UP OUTSIDE OF THEIR OFFICES , LITERALLY OR FIGURATIVELY SAYING HERE ARE OUR NEEDS.E HAVE A GREAT NEED IN THIS IS ITHEN YOU ARE BROKE , NO ONE BOTHERS SHOWING UP.

AND A STRANGE WAY, COMPLICATES THINGSNO BIG TICKET ITEMS, THE GOVERNOR HAS SET THE STAGE AND CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE TO THE STAGE FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND CERTAIN TYPES OF , CHRONICALLY UNDERFUNDED .

THE STAGE IS SET AND TASKFORCES BEEN WORKING.

TESTING TO COME OUT WITH A LOT OF ZEROS BEHIND IT .

>> Brandon: GOVERNOR ERIC HOLCOMB IS NOT MAKING ANY ENDORSEMENTS IN THE 2024 GOVERNOR'S RACE FOR NOW .

>> HOLCOMB SAYS HE IS HOLDING OFF ANY EXPLICITLY POLITICAL ACTIVITY TO AFTER THE UPCOMING LEGISLATURE SESSION .

>> THIS IS MY LAST BUDGET .

THE PRIORITIES IN IT ARE VERY IMPORTANT , AND THEY WILL HAVE A LONG-LASTING EFFECT AND IMPACT ON WHOEVER MY SUCCESSOR ENDS UP BEING .

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STICK THE LANDING.

>> HOLCOMB IS TERM LIMITED FROM RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR, BUT INDIANA WILL HAVE AN OPEN U.S. SENATE SEAT.

LATER REPUBLICAN FIGURES INCLUDING - - INDICATED THEY WILL ANNOUNCE THEIR INTENTIONS AFTER THE HOLIDAYS.

THERE IS SPECULATION THAT HOLCOMB COULD JOIN THAT RACE, BUT HIS PURPOSE TO FOCUS ON THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION INCLUDES AVOIDING ANY POTENTIAL ANNOUNCEMENTS ABOUT HIS OWN FUTURE .

>> I WILL DO THE JOB I GOT AT THE EXPENSE OF NO OTHER DECISION .

>> HOLCOMB SAYS HE IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT CHOICE AND EVEN FINDS IT LIBERATING .

>> Brandon: JON SCHWANTES, IS THAT THE RIGHT PLAY FROM ERIC HOLCOMB?

>> Jon: IT IS EQUITABLE APPROACH FOR ANYONE WHO IS HOLDING OFFICE.

THERE IS CONVENTIONAL WISDOM THAT WOULD SAY A RELUCTANCE TO ANOINT ANYONE BECAUSE YOU MAKE ONE PERSON HAPPY AND ANOTHER PERSON IS ANGERED OR FRUSTRATED A WHOLE LOT MORE.

ESPECIALLY IN THE FIELD SHAPING UP LIKE THIS, OR YOU HAVE NUMEROUS CANDIDATES AND AGAIN , MERE MATHEMATICS SAY YOU WILL - - PREFER THAT YOU PLEASE WOULD YOU DO NOT WANT TO DO GOING TO A CRITICAL IMPORTANT BUDGET SESSION OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GOING WITH AS GOOD A RELATIONSHIP AS THERE IS ACTION OF THE PARTY IN THE CAUCUS AS ONE COULD HAVE.

AGAIN WITH OF THE COMPANY FACTOR OF YOU WANT ME TO DO THIS ON YOUR BILL , BUT YOU WOULD NOT SUPPORT MY CANDIDATES SPEAKER IN A GENERAL ELECTION, AND ERIC HOLCOMB ENDORSEMENT WOULD BE POPULAR.

>> Whitney: HOLLY SULLIVAN TOOK A SHE WENT BEFORE THE CONVENTION AND DID NOT MAKE IT THROUGH AND LOST TO A MORE CONSERVATIVE DIEGO MORALES.

I DON'T THINK THAT IS NECESSARILY A BLESSING FOR A CANDIDATE TO GET THE ENDORSEMENTS RIGHT NOW .

THAT MIGHT BE WISE TO WAIT .

>> IN TERMS OF HOLCOMB'S OWN FUTURE, I DON'T KNOW IF HE WILL RUN FOR THE U.S. SENATE OR NOT BUT IF HE DOES, THEY WILL PROBABLY BE ONE OR TWO SERIOUS CANDIDATES LIKE JIM BANKS ARE VICTORIA SPARTZ WILL ANNOUNCE WAY BEFORE THE END OF THE INDIANA LEGISLATURE SESSION.

IS IT GOING TO HURT HIM TO WAIT TO AN OUT OF HIS POTENTIAL FUTURE UNTIL MAY OR LATER ?

>> Ann: I DON'T THINK SO.

HE HAS MORE NAME RECOGNITION AND EASIER OF THOSE TWO ELECTION DENIERS THAT ARE OUT THERE.JIM BANKS IS AN EMBARRASSMENT TO THE STATE.

THEY DENIED THE ELECTION AND DISMISSED THE ASSAULT ON THE CAPITAL, ALTHOUGH THINGS ARE THERE.

THAT MAY HAPPEN IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BUT IT WAS DAMN HIM THE GENERAL ELECTION AGAINST A SOLID CANDIDATE.

I DON'T KNOW, CLEARLY YOU ARE AS THE CONVENTION BUT THE INVENTION IS A MICROCOSM TOO .

THE ENDORSEMENT FROM THE GOVERNOR WHO IS NOT UNPOPULAR , OF COURSE YOU HAVE DONE ANYTHING SO HE IS NOT ANCHORED ANYBODY .

>> Mike: YOU TALK ABOUT STUFF THAT HE YOU HATE THAT HE IS DONE ALL THE TIME .

>> Ann: HE IS NOT LIKE TODD ROKITA OR DIEGO MORALES .

>> Brandon: JUSTIN ERIC HOLCOMB ENDORSEMENT IN THE PUBLICAN PRIMARY HELP OR HURT A CANDIDATE?

>> Mike: THE BASE WAS DISSATISFIED WITH CERTAIN THINGS THAT HE DID MOSTLY DIRECTLY TIED TO COVID IN THE COVID REACTION THERE ARE SUBSTANTIVE DECISIONS AND THERE IS ALSO THE SENSE OF WHEN I WAS A COUNTY CHAIR, WE WOULD RUN , WE WOULD HAVE CAUCUSES AND CONVENTION DELEGATES , PRIMARY ELECTION VOTERS HAVE VERY FEW OPPORTUNITIES.

THERE IS THIS ELEMENT OF THEM YOU LISTEN AND FIGURE THIS OUT.

WHEN WE DECIDE ON MY OWN, I DON'T NEED THE OTHER GUY .

CREDITING IS A CONGRESSMAN BECAUSE HER PARTY - - A LOT OF EXAMPLES THAT HAVE DIRECT TYING TO SOMETHING YOU'VE DONE AND THEY DON'T LIKE ITGENERALLY THERE IS A SENSE OF , DO NOT TAKE MY TOYS AWAY FROM ME BECAUSE I WILL REACT THE OPPOSITE WAY YOU THINK I'M GOING TO .

>> Ann: ENDORSING HER IS NOT TAKING HER CHOICE AWAY.

>> Ann: YOU CAN SAY I HAVE A LOYAL LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR WHO IS FEMALE, WE CAN MAKE HISTORY IN INDIANA .

>> Mike: DON'T YOU DO THAT STRATEGICALLY?

IF THE THREE OF YOU ARE RUNNING AN IT IS WELL-FUNDED, YOU HAVE THE TIME IT.

DON'T DO IT 18 MONTHS OUT, IT'S A WASTE , KNOWN AS THINKING ABOUT IT EXCEPT FOR US .

>> Ann: SO YOU THINK YOU WILL PUT HIS FINGER ON THE SCALE 82 NOW?

>> Mike: IF HE WANTS SUZANNE KRAUSE TO BE THE NOMINEE AND HE THINKS IT WILL BE HELPFUL , THUS THE ANALYSIS .

>> Brandon: REPUBLICAN ERIC DODEN IS ALREADY RELEASING POLICY PROPOSALS.

THE LATEST TAKES AIM AT INDIANA'S TEACHER SHORTAGE.

ERIC DODEN POLICY PROPOSAL WHICH COMES WITH A DIGITAL AD TOUTING IT, IS MEANT TO HELP REDUCE THE MORE THAN 2000 TEACHER SHORTAGE IN INDIANA PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

>> UNDER OUR PLAN, TEACHERS WILL PAY NO STATE INCOME TAX, WILL RECEIVE A TAX CREDIT TO OFFSET PROPERTY TAXES, AND WE WILL WORK WITH OUR STATE UNIVERSITY TO LOWER THE COST OF BECOMING A TEACHER>> EDUCATORS WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST FIVE YEARS OF SERVICE AND TEACHING TO GET THE PROPERTY TAX CREDIT , AND ERIC DODEN'S CAMPAIGN SAYS THOSE TWO PROGRAMS WOULD COST THE STATE AROUND $250 MILLION A YEAR WHEN ACCOUNTING FOR PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS.

>> Brandon: WHITNEY DOWNARD, IS JUST THE KIND OF THING YOU HAD TO DO WHEN YOU'VE BEEN IN THE RACE FOR 18 MONTHS ALREADY?

>> Whitney: IS THE THING YOU HAVE TO DO.

HE DOES NOT THAT THE RECORDATION OF CROUCH OR BRAUN WHO UPON STATEWIDE ELECTIONS.

HE DOES NOT HAVE THE NAME RECOGNITION, SO HE HAS TO PUT HIS NAME OUT THERE BY PUTTING THE SORT OF POLICY IDEAS OUT THERE TO SHOW THAT HE'S A SERIOUS CANDIDATE AND NOT JUST A FLUKE .

>> Brandon: HE HAS MONEY BEHIND IMAGES HOW IS ABLE TO DO DIGITAL ADS , IT IS THE STRATEGY YOU SHOULD BE PURSUING?

>> Jon: RAISING MONEY AT IS GREAT AND THAT IS IMPORTANT, BUT IF USING IS A SET OF THE CANDIDATE THAT COMES OUT OF THIS EARLY STAGE WITH DETAILED PROPOSALS RATHER THAN JUST - - THIS IS VERY DETAILED AND IT IS PROVOCATIVE.

IT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT IF IT WERE ENACTEDIT IS FRANKLY COMFORTABLE THAT THE ISSUE PROMOTING OPPORTUNITY AND PROSPERITY , WHICH AGAIN WILL BE MORE COMMON FOR CANDIDATES AT THIS POINT .

IF YOU CAN EARN THE LABEL , HERE IS A SERIOUS SUBSTANTIVE CAMPAIGN, EITHER NOTE THAT BY JENNY BOATS.

IN TERMS OF INTERMEDIATE COVERAGE, HE MIGHT BE INCLUDED BY REPORTERS TO THE EXTENT THAT IS AT THE MARGINS , MAKING SURE HE'S INCLUDED IN DISCUSSIONS OF ISSUES .

>> Whitney: HE WILL GIVE THEM A HEADLINE IN THE WEEK WHEN BOTH CROUCH AND BRAUN ANNOUNCE.

>> Brandon: IF YOU ARE ADVISING ERIC DODEN IS LOOKING AT SUZANNE CROUCH AND MIKE BRAUN, BIG NAMES STATEWIDE.

IS THIS THE RIGHT YOU THINK IS BEST FOR HIM TO TAKE IN TRYING TO ESTABLISH HIMSELF IN THE PACK?

>> Mike: YOU GOT TO DO BOTH.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?

HE IS A BIG THINKER .

HE HAS BIG IDEAS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THIS POLICY IS I THINK REALLY SUBSTANTIVE FOR EDUCATORS AND RECRUITING PEOPLE , AS A MATTER OF STRATEGY , SOME PEOPLE DO BOTH AND SOME DON'T.

SOMETIMES THE ELECTRIC DOES NOT CARE ABOUT POLICY, SOMETIMES YOU'RE NOT IN IT.

THE GENERAL ELECTION 2016 IS NOT A POSITIVE EXERCISE FOR MOST VOTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

IT IS .

>> Brandon: IT IS HEARTBREAK THAT NOW .

>> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO STOP IT BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF WHAT IT IS.

YOU WILL STOP HIM FROM COMING OUT IN DEVELOPING THESE IDEAS.

>> Brandon: YOU TALK ABOUT VISION.

THIS IS THE GUY WAS PUTTING TOGETHER A GREAT POLICY .

>> Ann: THAT IS REALLY SOMETHING SUBSTANTIVE OTHER THAN OPPORTUNITY, PROSPERITY AND FREEDOM.

TEACHER SHORTAGE ISSUE IS A REAL ISSUE .

TEACHER SHORTAGE IN SPECIAL EDUCATION THE REAL ISSUE.

TO THE EXTENT THAT HE'S FOCUSING ATTENTION ON NOW, THAT SPEAKS ABOUT HIM AND MAKES HIM CERTAINLY DIFFERENT THAN MIKE BRAUN'S ANNOUNCEMENT .

>> Brandon: I WANT TO FINISH WITH THIS QUESTION AND I WILL SAY TO BOTH OF YOU.

DOES ERIC DODEN HAVE A REAL CHANCE OF BECOMING THE PUBLICAN NOMINEE ?

>> Mike: I THINK HE DOES.

HE WILL HAVE LEGITIMATE OPERATION AND ENOUGH MONEY BEHIND THEM , IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE PRIMARY ABOUT INDIAN HISTORY FOR GOVERNOR.

IF YOU GET A $10 MILLION AT ALL ACHIEVABLE FOR ALL THREE OF THEM.

>> Brandon: THAT'S INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THIS WEEK.

OUR PANEL IS DEMOCRAT ANN DE LANEY, REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN, JON SCHWANTES OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS AND WHITNEY DOWNARD OF THE INDIANA CAPITAL CHRONICLE.

YOU CAN FIND INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW AND EPISODES AT WFYI.org/IWIR , OR ON THE PBS VIDEO APP.

I AM BRANDON SMITH OF INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING.

JOIN US NEXT TIME, BECAUSE A LOT CAN HAPPEN IN INDIANA WEEK.

>> THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED ARE SOLELY THOSE OF THE PANELIST .

INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW IS A WFYI PRODUCTION AND ASSOCIATED WITH INDIANA PUBLIC BR