>> DEPORTATION RAIDS BEGIN.

SHOULD NEW YORK SHERIFF'S HELP?

THINKING OUT OF THE BOX ON GAZA.

AND IS IT TIME TO BAN LEGAL SPORTS GAMBLING-AGAIN.

STAY TUNED, IVORY TOWER IS NEXT.

SNOT ♪ ♪ ♪ GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY, FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

I'M JOINED THIS WEEK LUKE PERRY FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY, NINA MOORE FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY, CHAD SPARBER FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY AND RICK FENNER FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

AS PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS GOTTEN A FAST START ON HIS PLEDGE TO DEPORT MILLIONS OF MIGRANTS, GOVERNOR HOCHUL HAS RELEASED GUIDELINES FOR WHEN STATE AUTHORITIES CAN WORK WITH IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

INCLUDED IS THE PROVISION "WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL IS SUSPECTED OF AN IMMIGRATION CRIME."

IMMIGRATION ADVOCATES SEE THAT AS A CONFUSING CHANGE IN STATE POLICY.

THE ONONDAGA SHERIFF SAYS HE WILL NOT COMPLY WITH ICE REQUESTS TO DETAIN UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS.

CHAD, LD STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS COOPERATE WITH ICE?

PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS DONE SO MUCH IN THE FIRST WEEKS IN OFFICE , THEY SHOULD REQUIRE WITH FEDERAL LAW.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT FEDERAL LAW IS GOOD POLICY.

EFFECTIVELY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A RETURN TO THE SECURE COMMUNITIES PROGRAM WHICH RESULTED IN 400,000 DOOR PORTATIONS BETWEEN 2008-2014, A PROGRAM WHERE BASICALLY AFTER ARRESTS, YOU SEND FINGER PRINTS TO ICE AND THEY CAN START DEPORTATION PROCEEDING.

THAT'S AN EASY AN QUICK WAY TO DEPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHICH IS SOMETHING THE MEDIAN VOTER ABSOLUTELY VOTED FOR.

BUT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THAT POLICY ARE HUGE.

THEY'RE VERY COSTLY AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT MEDIAN VOTER IS THINKING ABOUT.

>> WHAT ARE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES?

>> SO THERE ARE A LOT OF EXAMPLES.

ONE THAT COMES TO MY MIND IS ECONOMISTS DID A STUDY WHERE THEY FOUND THAT BASICALLY WHEN YOU DEPORT IMMIGRANTS, YOU INCREASE THE PRICE OF THE SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE, WHICH INCLUDES LIKE COOKING, CLEANING AND CHILD CARE.

AND THEN AS A RESULT OF THAT EFFECT, AMERICAN WOMEN WITH CHILDREN, AMERICAN MOTHERS, THEY LEAVE THE LABOR MARKET, STAY AT HOME MORE OFTEN SO IT RUINS OR IT HURTS THEIR JOB MARKET OPPORTUNITIES.

>> LUKE.

>> WELL, I WONDER IS COMPLYING WITH FEDERAL LAW THE SAME AS ENFORCING FEDERAL LAW?

I AGREE THAT STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE TO COMPLY WITH FEDERAL LAW BUT IT'S THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S LAW TO ENFORCE THAT.

AND THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT THAT STATE AND LOCALITIES DO THAT.

THEY'RE GOING TO THINK MORE ABOUT WHAT IS IN THE INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE THEY SERVE IN THEIR STATES AND THEIR LOCALITIES.

AND NEW YORK IS SORT OF DEVELOPS THIS CRITERIA THROUGH GOVERNOR HOCHUL WHERE THERE IS FOUR DIFFERENT WAYS IN WHICH WE WOULD COOPERATE WITHED IF LAWP.

SOME ARE LESS CONTROVERSIAL.

IF AN UNDOCUMENTED PERSON IS CONVICTED OF A NEW YORK CRIME, THAT MAKES SENSE, THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE GROUNDS.

THE OTHER THREE DEAL WITH PEOPLE SUSPECTED OF CRIMES AND THAT GETS TIES DICEY TO ME.

IF THEY WERE CHARGED, I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BECAUSE IT WENT BEFORE A GRAND JURY BUT MERE SUSPICION OF A CRIME LEAVES STATE AND LOCAL AUTHORITIES TO TURN THESE PEOPLE OVER TO ICE TO BE DEPORTED, THAT'S PROBLEMATIC.

>> LESS SO IN CONNECTION WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY ABOUT IF IT'S BEING SUSPECTED OF CRIME VERSUS, YOU KNOW, ARRESTED AND CHARGED VERSUS CONVICTED BUT I AGREE WITH YOU.

AS IT TURNS OUT, CHAD, LOCAL-- STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO ASSIST ICE IN CARRYING OUT ITS RESPONSIBILITIES.

BUT AS YOU NOTED, IT WOULD BE A CRIME, ACTUALLY, TO OBSTRUCT, TO TRY TO PREVENT THEM FROM DOING SO.

BUT NEW YORK'S INCENTIVE FOR THINKING CAREFUL BY ABOUT DOING MORE TO HELP IS THAT A SIZEABLE PROPORTION OF THE NEW YORK POM POPULATION IS EITHER FOREIGN BORN OR IS ACTUALLY FIRST GENERATION.

AND WE'VE SEEN HOW VOCAL THAT PART OF THE ELECTORATE IS.

BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THINGS IS, AS YOU NOTED, PUBLIC OPINION, IS OVERWHELMING GENERALLY HIVE IT'S NOT JUST THE MEDIAN VOTER BUT OVERWHELMINGLY IN SUPPORT OF REMOVALS, DEPORTATIONS, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM.

AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, IS THE TREMENDOUS STRAIN THAT IS BROUGHT TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, SOMETHING THAT MAYOR ERIC ADAMS HAS PUBLICIZED AT LENGTH.

AND SO NOW WE HAVE THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT AS OF YESTERDAY, WHEREBY THE INCOMING OR ACTUALLY THE NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL PAM BUNDY HAS STATED THAT SHE WANTS TO SEE FEDERAL FUNDS WITH HELD FOR SOME SOURCES THAT ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THAT IS THE BYRNES LAW FOR-PROFIT FUND WHICH CONSTITUTES THE LARGEST SOURCE OF FEDERAL SUPPORT.

SO DO YOU WANT TO GO FOR PUBLIC SAFETY OR DO YOU WANT TO PUSH FOR MIGRANT CONCERNS-- IMMIGRANT CONCERNS.

>> THEY'RE AMPING UP THE PRESSURE AND LEVERAGE TO GET THE STATES TO DO WHAT THEY WANT.

>> DEFINITELY.

THE MTA HAS BEEN TOLD THAT THEY NEED TO HELP IDENTIFY AND DETAIN OTHERWISE WE COULD LOSE FEDERAL FUNDS FOR TRANSPORTATION.

SO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS REALLY PUTTING UP THE PRESSURE.

I WANTED TO GO BACK TO WHAT CHAD SAID EARLIER ABOUT NOT UNDERSTANDING ALL OF THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THIS.

ROUGHLY 50% OF FARM WORKERS ARE UNDOCUMENTED.

DAIRY FARMS IN UPSTATE NEW YORK ARE HEAVILY DEPENDENT UPON THESE.

IF, INDEED WE HAVE THESE RAIDS AND THEY ARE DEPORTED, WHO IS GOING TO WORK THE FARMS?

WE ARE ALREADY SEEING WHAT AVIAN FLU IS DOING TO THE PRICE OF EGGS.

NOW YOU TAKE OUT WORKERS.

WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE PRICE OF MILK AND OTHER PRODUCTS?

>> THAT'S SO TRUE BECAUSE I MEAN, THE IMMIGRATION SYSTEM IS NOT WELL DESIGNED FOR DAIRY.

WE HAVE THE H2A VISA FOR TEMPORARY OR SM AGRICULTURAL WORK WHICH DAIRY ISN'T.

SO LIKE IN A PRE-TRUMP WORLD THERE WAS ALMOST A POLICY OF LIKE BENIGN NEGLECT WHERE ICE KNEW THAT THE DAIRY FARMS HAD LOADS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ON THEM BUT THEY TURNED A BLIND EYE BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT CHEAP MILK, THEY WANT CHEAP CHEESE.

SO THEY WOULDN'T DO THE RAIDS UNLESS THOSE IMMIGRANTS... >> THEY HAVE SAID THEY'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE PEOPLE WHO HAVE COMMITTED CRIMES.

>> THAT'S WHAT THEY SAY BUT WE SEE THEM DOING SOMETHING QUITE DIFFERENT, INCLUDING HERE IN SYRACUSE WHERE WHOLE FAMILY WAS BROUGHT IN UNDER FALSE PRETENSE AND THEN SUBJECTED TO ANKLE MONITORS.

I MEAN CAN YOU JUST IMAGINE THAT HAPPENING HERE IN THE U.S.?

BUT I WOULD SAY THIS.

THAT NEW YORK AND EVERY OTHER STATE HAS SOME CARDS THAT IT CAN PLAY BECAUSE HISTORICALLY THREE QUARTERS OF REMOVALS HAPPEN ONLY BECAUSE OF HANDOFFS FROM LOCAL AND STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT.

SO THEY CAN CONDITION THAT SUPPORT UPON THESE SORTS OF THINGS, WHETHER IT'S DAIRY FARMERS OR REALLY BEING TRUE TO THE CLAIM TO FOCUS ON CRIMINALS OR NOT BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T GET THE HANDOFFS FROM STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, TRUMP'S PLAN FOR DEPORTATION DOES NOT HAPPEN.

>> WELL, BUT THAT GETS BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, SHOULD STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS BE COOPERATING IN THAT?

>> IT COMES DOWN TO THE WORD COOPERATE.

AGAIN, IF SOMEONE IS STOPPED FOR A TRAFFIC VIOLATION, DOES THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL HAVE TO SEND THAT INFORMATION THROUGH TO THE FEDS TO ICE?

>> NO.

>> BUT I'M ALSO REMINDED.

TWO-THIRDS OF AMERICANS WANT TO DEPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

BUT THEN WHEN YOU GET INTO THE DETAILS ABOUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT, THEN ALL THE OPTIONS THAT ARE LAID OUT THERE, PEOPLE HATE LIKE INVOLVING THE MILITARY, FOR EXAMPLE, TO FIND AND DEPORT PEOPLE.

SO IT'S INTERESTING.

THEY WANT THEM DEPORTED BUT HOW IS A QUESTION THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR.

>> YEAH.

>> PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS DONE SO MUCH IN THE FIRST WEEKS IN OFFICE THAT IT IS HARD TO KEEP TRACK.

HE HAS ENDED DEI, FROZEN FOREIGN AIDE, AID, PEMPOWERED ELON MUSK TO CUT COSTS AND PERSONNEL ACROSS FEDERAL AGENCIES, SLAPPED TARIFFS ON CHINA AND THREATENED THE SAME TO SOME OF OUR CLOSEST ALLIES.

AND IN WHAT CAN ONLY BE CALLED A HUGE SURPRISE, HE FLOATED A PLAN TO MOVE MILLIONS OF PALESTINIANS OUT OF GAZA, WITH THE U.S.TAKING OWNERSHIP AND REDEVELOPING IT INTO THE "RIVIERA OF THE MIDDLE EAST."

SO THAT IS OUT OF THE BOX THINKING TO SAY THE LEAST, RICK, BUT NOTHING ELSE HAS WORKED.

IS THERE SOME VALUE TO THIS PROPOSAL?

>> VERY COMPLEX PROBLEM.

I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION TO IT.

BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT TRUMP'S PROPOSAL IS NOT A SOLUTION EITHER.

ITE FAILS ON SO MANY GROUNDS.

OPERATIONALLY JUST, OKAY, WHO IS GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF GETTING THEM DEPORTING THEM OUT OF GAZA?

IS THE U.S.

GOING TO SEND TROOPS?

THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO DO THIS WITH HAMAS VOLUNTARILY.

WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO SEND THEM?

COUNTRIES LIKE EGYPT HAVE ALREADY SAID NO.

SO THIS COULD EASILY BE DISMISSED AS JUST MORE, YOU KNOW, TRUMP EITHER TRYING TO DISTRACT OR BE PROVOCATIVE OR WHATEVER.

BUT HERE IS WHERE I FEAR THE CONSEQUENCE OF THIS.

HE IS EMBOLDENING THE RADICAL RIGHT IN ISRAEL THAT DON'T WANT A SETTLEMENT, DON'T WANT A SOLUTION WITH PALESTINIANS.

THEY WANT THEM OUT AND I THINK THIS COULD ACTUALLY MAKE ANY REAL SOLUTION MUCH TOUGHER TO GET TO BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, SEE, TRUMP SUPPORTS US IN BOOTING THE PALESTINIANS OUT AND NOT COMING UP WITH A REASONABLE SOLUTION.

>> YEAH, I AGREE THAT WHAT THIS DOES IS THIS SORT OF SCUTTLES OR AT LEAST CALLS INTO QUESTION THE SOLUTION THAT MUCH OF THE GLOBE HAD ALREADY BEGUN TO MOVE TOWARDS, AND THAT IS A TWO-STATE SOLUTION.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AS SORT OF OFF THE WALL AS WE WANT TO CHARACTERIZE TRUMP, I THINK IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY, AT LEAST AS I LOOK AT IT, THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT DRIVE BOTH HIS POLICIES-- THIS IS TRUMP 2, THIS IS.

HIS POLICIES AND HIS POLITICS.

ONE IS TO PLACATE THE BASE BY WAY OF HATE MONGERING WHETHER IT'S MINORITIES OR IMMIGRANTS OR IF IT'S TRANSGENDERS OR MUSLIMS.

BUT THAT IS PART OF JUST SORT OF PUTTING TO THE SIDE THE DEEPER MOTIVE THAT I THINK DRIVES HIM AND THAT IS THE PROFIT MOTIVE, TO MAKE MONEY.

WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT HIS VISION OF A GAZA RIVERA THAT TRACKED WITH THAT.

WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NOT GETTING RID OF TIKTOK, HE IS LIKE, THESE WERE HIS WORDS.

WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY.

AND SIMILARLY, WITH ESTABLISHING A SOVEREIGN WEALTH FUND, WHICH ON THE SURFACE MAKES SENSE, BUT THEN WHERE IT'S IN PLACE IN OTHER COUNTRIES LIKE NORWAY AND SINGAPORE AND CHINA, THEY HAVE SURPLUSES.

WE'VE GOT A $36 TRILLION DEBT.

AND I WOULD SAY EVEN WHEN YOU CONSIDER WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH DEI CONTRACTS, THAT HAVE NOW BEEN PULLED BACK.

THOSE CONTRACTS WERE NOT ALWAYS GIVEN TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THEY HAVE TO BE REALLOCATED.

I THINK TO SOME OF TRUMP'S FRIENDS AND FAMILY.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO FOLLOW THE MONEY.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE SEEN LIBERALS TALK ABOUT.

>> I THINK THAT'S BASICALLY RIGHT.

THAT THIS IS LESS ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY AND MORE ABOUT THE SOVEREIGN WEALTH FUND IDEA THAT HE ANNOUNCED ON MONDAY.

HIS REAL ESTATE AND GOLF INTERESTS HAVE PUT HIM IN CONTACT WITH LOTS OF SOVEREIGN WEALTH FUNDS LIKE SAUDI ARABIA THAT OWNS LIV GOLF AND THE P.G.A.

TOUR.

JARED KUSHNER WAS QUOTED AS SAYING GAZA'S WATERFRONT PROPERTY COULD BE VERY VALUABLE AND ABOUT THE SAME TIME, THE PROMISES OF ISRAEL'S OFFICE RELEASED A FAUX COME TO GAZA COMMERCIAL TO MARKET THE AREA'S POTENTIAL AS A TOURIST DESTINATION IF "HAMAS HADN'T BUILT A NATION OF TERROR."

SO I THINK EFFECTIVELY WHAT HE HAS DONE IS PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER AND CONCLUDED THE U.S. CAN BE A SOVEREIGN WEALTH FUND THAT COULD PROFIT FROM THESE BEAUTIFUL PROPERTIES WHICH IS A TERRIBLE IDEA BUT IT'S NOT ENTIRELY INEXPLICABLE.

YOU SAID A HUGE SURPRISE OUT OF THE BOX.

BUT, NO, I CAN SEE HIS TRAIN OF THOUGHT ON THIS.

>> PARTICULARLY CONSIDERING OUR SPECIAL ENVOY TO THE MIDDLE EAST IS A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER.

IT'S NOT ONLY HIM, IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO HE IS EMPOWERING TO LEAD.

HE IS A SALES PERSON, NOTES A STATESMAN.

ONE OF THE THINGS IN ADDITION THAT STANDS TOUT ME IS THE LACK OF HUMANITARIANISM THAT HE HAS DISPLAYED THROUGHOUT HIS PERSONAL LIFE AND THROUGHOUT HIS PARTICULARLY SECRETARY TENURE HERE AS PRESIDENT AND I THINK WHAT HE FAILS TO REALIZE IS THE IMPORTANCE OF SOFT POWER.

THE CHARITY WE PROVIDE IS NOT JUST CHARITY FOR CHARITY SAKE.

IT ALSO IS IN OUR SELF INTEREST TO BUILD GOOD RELATIONS IN PARTS OF THE WORD THAT ARE STRUGGLING, HELPING THEM ATTAIN CLEAN DRINKING WATER, TO ERADICATE DISEASES THAT ARE DEVASTATING THEIR COMMUNITIES.

HE AND ELON MUSK LOOK AT THAT AS A WASTE OF MONEY AND IT'S SORT SIGHTED IN TERMS OF NOT UNDERSTANDING SOFT POWER AND IT'S RESHAPING AMERICA'S IMAGE IN A NEGATIVE WAY, RIGHT?

AS I'VE TALKED ABOUT ON THIS SHOW BEFORE, PEOPLE LOOK AT US AS THE ONES WITH MONEY AND GUNS AND THE MORE BEE DO THIS TYPE OF STUFF WHERE WE STOP HELPING PEOPLE, NOT JUST BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO BECAUSE IT HELPS US, IT'S ONLY GOING TO REINFORCE THE NEGATIVE IMAGES.

>> YOU ARE GETTING AT THE U.S. AID SORT OF THE GUTTING OF THAT DEPARTMENT.

>> EXACTLY.

>> AND CLOSING OFF FEDERAL AID.

>> I THINK IT ALSO CONNECTS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING TO THE GAZA ISSUE BECAUSE ALTHOUGH BOTH TRUMP AND PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU ARE ON THE SAME PAGE, NETANYAHU IS INTERESTED IN SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND I ALWAYS SUSPECTED ALL ALONG THAT HE WAS LOOKING TO JUST BOMB GAZA TO THE SMITHER EVEN AND NEVER BE REPOPULATED BUT FOR TRUMP, EVEN IF HE DIDN'T MEAN IT, I BELIEVE IT IS LAYING ITSELF GROUNDS FOR MAKING THE ARGUMENT LATER THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO SEND MORE MONEY THERE.

NOT REALIZING THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO FILL THE VOID WHEREVER AMERICA PULLS OUT, SOME OTHER COUNTRY IS GOING TO PULL IN AND IF ITS CHINA OR RUSSIA, WE ARE REALLY SCREWED.

>> THE OTHER POINT HERE IS THIS WOULD REQUIRE CERTAINLY THE FORCED RELOCATION OF TWO MILLION PEOPLE, WHICH IS SOMETHING-- >> AGAIN HE IS PLAYING BOTH SIDES.

HE IS AN ISOLATIONIST, BUT THEN HE TALKS ABOUT DENMARK, YOU KNOW-- >> SOVEREIGNTIST HAS COME UP IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES" THIS WEEK.

>> >> THE GAMING INDUSTRY EXPECTS ONE POINT FOUR BILLION DOLLARS TO BE BET-LEGALLY-ON THE SUPERBOWL THIS SUNDAY.

NOT JUST ON THE SCORE, BUT BETS ON INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS AND EVEN HOW LONG IT TAKES TO SING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM.

SPORTS BETTING IS NOW LEGAL IN 38 STATES.

AMERICANS, IN PARTICULAR YOUNG MEN, NOW BET MORE THAN A BILLION DOLLARS A MONTH ON SPORTS.

FOR SOME OF THEM, GAMBLING WILL CAUSE FINANCIAL MISERY AND RUIN THEIR LIVES.

SHOULD STATES REVERSE COURSE AND BAN SPORTS BETTING?

>> I THINK THEY CAN DO SOMETHING SHORT OF REVERSING COURSE, ALTHOUGH I'M VERY ANTIGAMBLING.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IN THIS CASE, SPORTS GAMBLING, GAMBLING GENERALLY IS THE FASTEST SOURCE-- FASTEST GROWING SOURCE OF STATE REVENUE.

REVENUES THAT CAN THEN BE USED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, FOR SCHOOLS, FOR SOCIAL SERVICES AND OTHER THINGS WHERE STATES ARE STRUGGLING TO MAKE ENDS MEET.

AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS ROUGHLY ONE OUT OF EVERY FIVE AMERICANS ENGAGES IN SOME FORM OF GAMBLING.

BUT HERE IS THE THING.

MOST OF THOSE FOLKS DON'T LOSE THEIR SHIRT OR OR LOSE THE FARM.

BUT THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH HAS RELEASED A SERIES OF STUDIES THAT SHOW THAT THERE IS THE DANGER OF A SLIPPERY SLOPE BECAUSE ROUGHLY 30% OF FOLKS WHO DO ENGAGE IN GAMBLING HAVE SOMETHING THAT THE D.S.M., THE MENTAL DISORDERS MANUAL REFERS TO AS PATHOLOGICAL GAMBLING OR AS GAMBLING DISORDERS.

SO TO YOUR QUESTION, AS LONG AS STATES ARE PROVIDING THE RESOURCES TO DEAL WITH THE INCREASED RISK OF GAMBLING ADDICTION, THEN I THINK THIS IS DOABLE.

>> I THINK THE QUESTION ISN'T ARE WE GOING TO BAN IT BUT WHAT KINDS OF REGULATIONS WE PUT ON THIS.

RESTRICTING ADVERTISING, WHERE AND THE TYPE OF ADVERTISING, VERY MISLEADING ADS.

ALTHOUGH NEW YORK STATE LOTTERY, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THEIR ADS, THEY'RE JUST AS GUILTY OF DOING THIS.

YOU KNOW, USING THE GPS SYSTEM THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE SO THAT ONLY PEOPLE IN CERTAIN STATES CAN BET, CAN BE USED TO PREVENT, SAY WE DECIDE WE DON'T WANT BETTING FROM SCHOOLS OR COLLEGES.

WE CAN USE THAT TO PREVENT THAT.

I THINK THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO, PERHAPS PREVENTING PEOPLE-- THERE IS A BIG PROBLEM WITH PARLEY BETTING IF WE WANT TO GET INTO THAT.

IT IS MUCH MORE OF A PROBLEM THAN JUST BETTING ON THE OUTCOME OF A GAME.

>> I THINK THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG.

AND SO YOU ARE RIGHT, REGULATION IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, NOT A REVERSAL OF COURSE.

I KIND OF LIKE WHAT WASHINGTON STATE HAS DONE, WHICH, IT ALLOWS BETTING ONLY AT CASINOS.

THEY HAPPEN TO BE TRIBAL CASINOS.

WHAT THAT DOES IS, I THINK IT HELPS TO LIMIT IMPULSIVE BEHAVIOR.

SO THINK ABOUT SPORTS BETTING APPS.

I MEAN THEY'RE LIKE MODERN VIDEO GAMES.

DESIGNED TO DELIVER THESE QUICK DOPAMINE HITS WHICH IS SUPER, SUPER ADDICTIVE.

IF YOU MOVE THINGS TO CASINOS, YOU GET RID OF THAT.

YOU CAN REQUIRE CASH BETTING, YOU CAN LIMIT THE AMOUNTS OF BETTING.

YOU CAN EVEN-- ALTHOUGH IT'S PATERNALISTIC, PUT CHECKS ON AFFORDABILITY OF YOUR BETS AND IT ALSO GIVES PEOPLE A CHANCE TO COOL DOWN AFTER A BAD BEAT, WHICH IS A REALLY IMPORTANT THING IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW, WHEN YOU LOSE YOU CAN COMMIT A CRIME OF PASSION AND SO YOU WANT TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU ARE NOT REACTING OUT OF VIOLENCE AND TEMPER AND THAT SORT OF THING.

>> SO WITH SPORTS GAMBLING, LUKE, I THINK WE HAVE AS A SOCIETY HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, YOU WE COMFORTABLE GENERATING MONEY ON THE BACKS OF PEOPLE WHO MAYBE CAN'T AFFORD TO SPEND IT?

>> I AM.

I ENJOY SPORTS GAMBLING.

I DID VERY WELL THIS YEAR WITH MY NFL BETS.

I DO IT IN MODERATION.

WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHO GAMBLES, THE CENTER FOR ADDICTIVE RESEARCH SAID THAT 1 % ESSENTIALLY OF AMERICANS STRUGGLE WITH GAMBLING ADDICTION.

SO 99% DO NOT.

I'M IN THAT CAMP.

AND YOU LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS COMPARED TO SUBSTANCE ABUSE, IT'S MUCH HIGHER.

EIGHT TIMES MORE PEOPLE DEAL WITH SUBSTANCE ABUSE ADDICTION OPPOSED TO GAMBLING ADDICTION.

I THINK GAMBLING ADDICTION IS SERIOUS AND NEEDS TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY BUT IT DOES NOT AFFECT MOST PEOPLE.

FOR ME IT'S A GAME.

I TAKE WHAT I KNOW ABOUT SOCIAL SCIENCE ANALYSIS AND PREDICT HUMAN BEHAVIOR AND IDENTIFY VARIABLES ON SPORTS GAMES AND MAKE PREDICTIONS.

I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE TABOO.

I DON'T THINK THERE IS SOMETHING INHERENTLY WRONG WITH IT.

AND AS RICK SAID AS LONG AS WE ARE NOT TARGETING MINORS, I THINK WE NEED TO FURTHER RESTRICT THE ADVERTISING, I THINK IT'S LIKE ONE OF MANY ADDICTIVE BEHAVIORS THAT WE DON'T-- POTENTIALLY ADDICTIVE BEHAVIORS THAT WE DON'T LIMIT.

>> I THINK IT IS PART OF A LARGER DISCUSSION ABOUT LEGALIZING VICE AS A FISCAL STRATEGY.

AND IT REMINDS ME OF LEGALIZING STATE LOTTERIES.

IT REMINDS ME OF DRUG LEGALIZATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASICALLY ARE SAYING SMOKE WEED, IT'S GOOD FOR THE CHILDREN.

LIKE IT'S GROSS.

>> I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT.

>> AND THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.

IT'S THE SUBTEXT.

BUT NORMALIZATION AND LEGALIZATION ARE DIFFERENT THINGS.

>> OKAY.

WE'LL GO TO OUR As AND Fs.

LUKE, WE WILL BEGIN WITH YOUR F. >> MY F GOES TO EFFORTS TO DISMANTLE THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.

THEY PROVIDE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN FUNDING TO SUBSIDIZE COLLEGE TUITION THAT SCHOOLS DEPEND ON IN ORDER TO OPERATE.

>> NINA.

>> WELL, SCIENTISTS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO HAVE FOUND THAT MICROPLASTICS ARE ENTERING OUR BRAINS AT MUCH HIGHER CONCENTRATIONS THAN PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT.

AS MUCH AS SEVEN GRAMS WHICH IS ABOUT THE WEIGHT OF A PLASTIC SPOON, ESPECIALLY ALARMING IS THAT THE ACCUMULATION HAS INCREASED 50% IN JUST EIGHT YEARS.

IT'S TIME FOR US TO RETHINK OUR DEPENDENCY ON PLASTICS WHILE WE STILL CAN.

>> AND EXCUSE ME, CHAD.

>> MY F ACTUALLY CALLS BACK TO A SIDE CONVERSATION YOU HAD ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S EFFECTIVE CLOSURE OF U.S.AID.

IF YOU PUT ASIDE THE HUMANITARIAN AND PROCEDURAL CONCERNS THAT THE LEFT OFTEN FOCUSES ON.

USAID IS AN IMPORTANT SOURCE OF SOFT POWER AND DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS AS LUKE SAID.

IF THE PRESIDENT WANTED TO REFORM USAID TO MAKE OUR SECURITY GOALS MORE EXPLICIT, I WOULD HAVE BEEN ON BOARD BUT THIS QUICK CLOSURE MAKES US AN UNRELIABLE ALLY AND CREATES A POWER VACUUM THAT CHINA AND RUSSIA WILL BE HAPPY TO FILL.

>> RICK.

>> DARREN BEATY WAS A SPEECH WRITER DURING THE FIRST TRUMP ADMINISTRATION BUT FIRED AFTER ATTENDING A CONFERENCE WITH WHITE NATIONALISTS.

HE SAID CAM TENT WHITE MEN NEED TO BE IN CHARMING TO MAKE THINGS WORK AND OUR NATIONAL IDEOLOGY IS PREDICATED ON CODDLING THE FEELING OF WOMEN AND MINORITIES DEMORALIZING COMPETENT WHITE MEN."

NOW MARK OWE RUBIO IS PLANNING ON NAMING HIM TO A TOP DEFENSE DEPARTMENT POSITION.

>> AND As.

>> ALL LOCAL ATHLETES INCLUDING MANY KIDS WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE EMPIRE STATE WINTER GAMES LAST WEEKEND.

THIS IS A GREAT EVENT IN LAKE PLACID THAT BRINGS TOGETHER OVER 2,000 COMPETITORS WHO COMPETE IN 20 DIFFERENT SPORTS.

>> YOU HAVE HEARD THE EXPRESSION THAT THERE IS HISTORY, HER STORY AND THEN THE TRUTH.

WELL, BLACK HISTORY MONTH IS ABOUT MORE THAN JUST CELEBRATING THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF BLACK AMERICANS.

IT IS A TIME TO ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT WITHOUT BLACK HISTORY, THERE WOULD BE AMERICAN HISTORY AND THAT FACT IS NOT STORY TELLING.

IT IS THE TRUTH.

>> CHAD.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK REPRESENTATIVE DLAWDIA TENNEY'S OFFICE AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT FOR HOSTING OUR STUDENTS ON A FIELD TRIP A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AN EXCELLENCE REMINDER OF THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR CONGRESSIONAL STAFFERS AND CAREER CIVIL SERVANTS IN CREATING POLICY RUNNING GOVERNMENT AND PROMOTING U.S. INTEREST ABROAD.

IT WAS AN AWESOME EXPERIENCE.

SUPER GRATEFUL FOR IT.

>> MEDICAL COLONY AID.

WE GO OUT FOR BREAKFAST AND THE MODERN MALT WAS ONE OF THE PLACES WE ENJOYED PATRONIZING.

GREAT FOOD AND SERVICE, THEIR BARNEY RUBBLE FRENCH TOAST WAS MY FAVORITE.

THEY WILL BE MOVING AND TRYING TO SERVE BREAKFAST ON WEEKENDS.

THANKS TO MODERN MALT AND ALL ITS EMPLOYEES.

>> NOW, A COUPLE OF OUR COMMENTS HERE REFERENCED THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND MARCO RUBIO, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT USAID AND YOU MENTIONED DARREN BEATY SO I WONDER, MARCO RUBIO, WHO IS CONSIDERED TO BE ONE OF THE MORE CONVENTIONAL CABINET APPOINTEES AND SO IS HE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, ON KNIFE'S EDGE HERE TRYING TO PLACATE HIS BOSS, WHILE, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T.

>> EXACTLY.

>> HE IS TAKING OVER APPARENTLY USAID WITHIN STATE.

>> HIS BOSS HAS CREATED A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY.

HARD TO SERVE HIM.

>> HE IS IN A TOUGH SPOT.

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