And now the 419 with Gretchen de Bakker might kill them.

And Kevin.

Mullin.

Welcome to the 419, powered by GT and presented by Recaro Wealth Management.

I'm Kevin mullen.

Gretchen de Becker.

I kill him.

It is a mystery guest edition of the 419.

It's my mystery guest, and I'm excited to, to bring them on the program.

I'm surprised they haven't been on yet.

I love Wednesdays because we don't have to do any prep.

You're going to want to have done some prep on this one.

Everything's Wednesday for me.

But I will tell you that, Kevin, there's no secret, how much, I adore you.

But every.

And this is a bit of a shock to you.

Every Wednesday, Kevin says the same joke to me is like, I'm excited to see you here.

Mystery guest is.

And there is a momentary chill.

Dude just to torture him.

Every time.

Because 50% of the time, it's actually nuts.

And you're not a math person.

That's not 20, 23, 33 and a third.

There you go.

Nailed it.

We also have, later in the show, we're going to have, the folks from spectrum say like, yeah.

This is cool.

This is a really cool program.

Scott Herman, a guy who's from Toledo, but lives in South Carolina now.

Has coastal if you consider one of the cross the Miami River.

That's right.

Dude.

Yeah.

And you should.

You should.

And so he's developed this program, and so we're going to have, I know Brandy bonis here.

From North Cape Yacht Club, to talk about this program coming to Toledo.

I think it's second year.

This summer.

And so a cool sailing club, sailing program, focused for really designed for kids with autism, kids on the spectrum and spectrum sailing.

So we'll learn more about that program.

Super excited about it.

Yeah, I didn't know this, but I learned this through the construction of the Riverwalk.

There is a draw to all of us, right?

But certainly people, that are on the spectrum or, have autism to water in general.

So there's some safety concerns.

So inevitably we're going to find out about that.

There is some agitation here.

And specific programing for people to be inclusive is always a win.

And sailing along since at least maybe this is an unfair generalization.

Seem to be only for a certain set of people.

Right.

So this is a I learned about it this morning.

I can't wait to hear more about it.

Yeah, that'll be good.

We were talking before the show about, you know, some of the things that we've learned.

Kind of doing this program.

And one of the one of the challenges for us is just getting ready for the day.

Day, right?

Is like, is, you know, we've now added TV, right?

To the day.

And so it's like so for so for March.

Right.

Matt really has changed up what he wears if that's right.

Yeah.

This is which vest to wear which is not easy.

You only it seems like you only have one black one.

That's right.

That's right.

But do you have.

Do I get another one?

I don't know if that's the thing or people are sick of seeing it.

Yes.

Well, that's always also okay.

But.

No, Gretchen, and Kevin are both, you know, professionals, which again, represents, a bit of a about-face from the prior comments.

And, Gretchen, we were just, commenting on the fact that you are now dressed from now until 9 p.m., right?

Which is after my bedtime.

Yes.

But that's a full day.

That is a full day.

And it's a variety of different settings, because I am here for some unknown reason.

But then I just go to court.

I have to look borderline professional.

Then I have to go to the jail to visit clients, which you don't have to look any kind of way.

And then I have to go to an event.

Then I work in my office.

So it's like, yeah, I could wear seven different things.

Can I ask you guys, are you starting to hit a bit of a. Wall a little bit?

Yeah, it might have been today.

No no no.

It's okay, that's all.

Too much sharing.

But I mean, at what time are you now having to, like, kind of re-up?

Mine is, like, right before lunch time is like, like I now like, I used to be able to just blow right through lunch, but now, like, I need the fuel from lunch to keep going.

I find it's, like, 3 p.m.. All right.

Let's just.

So we're gonna take a break.

When we come back, it'll be my mystery guest.

Here's a couple of clues.

Okay.

Who?

Yeah, if you can guess it.

All right, we're ready.

They are a former podcast host.

Oh.

Active on social media.

Okay.

They see Toledo differently than any Toledo resident.

There are 20 under 40 honoree and a 40 under 40 honoree.

Is there?

This person is a former improv troupe partner of yours.

Both of yours.

I almost started a business with this person, and then they just did it themselves.

And this is now one place where this person works.

And they were the first person I met with after being laid off.

They gave me great advice that I 100% didn't listen to.

And they are very good with cards, and they teach other people their card tricks.

Card.

I don't know anybody that does so.

Excited about this.

Those are your clues.

All right.

When we come back, we're going to find out who is my mystery.

Yes.

Is it a magician?

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Thank you.

Welcome back into the 419, a mystery guest edition.

What?

First down by.

Oh yeah.

Oh, yeah.

That's what I mean by, it's mystery guest edition of the 419.

It's my mystery guest.

You guys upload great clues?

Yeah, which totally hid the fact that it is our good friend, Danny Woodcock.

Danny woodcock.

Hello.

Welcome.

I'll tell you, though, that the challenge of the hints is, guessing wrong.

Yeah.

Just be.

I mean, I thought you were you.

I mean.

Take a stab at it.

Yeah.

No, I didn't give them a chance.

I just sit quietly.

I felt really good.

I was excited about, the clues to break loose.

The, I made sure to insert the word works when I was talking about the business that we almost started together.

Because Danny just took drone works on his own and did his own little thing.

Is this a bitter rivalry thing between the two of you?

No, no, no, no.

If he had been waiting for me, he still wouldn't have started this.

I'll be waiting.

Yeah.

So.

Yeah.

And I'm relieved.

I will not mention names, but I thought that this is lending into magic, and I would certainly it it wasn't with.

The card.

Tricks.

Yeah.

It's magical.

All right.

So so so I mentioned card tricks and we'll talk about this a little bit later.

But it's not actual playing cards.

You've got some tricks with.

Credit card tricks and traveling and points in first class flights and nice hotels.

So you don't have to pay cash for which is very.

Nice, very nice.

So who is Danny Woodcock?

We start.

Yeah.

So let's start from the beginning because this is you are a unique guest on this program because this is, I think, the first time that we've had somebody on the program that doesn't currently live in northwest Ohio.

Yeah.

So the reason I'm here, I heard three really smart Toledo and started the podcast, and it was great.

And then five years later, you three copy.

And that's exactly right.

That's true.

So me, UT grad, a BG grad in 2020.

Did we get all 30 of your downloads that you were getting?

We were getting, you know, about 12.

And it.

Was early.

It was.

52 for.

The technology.

It was great.

I saw an old photo of Kevin with a bow tie in the studio.

Yeah, that was lovely.

Okay.

Episode 195.

Jeez.

Well, you guys did it better.

And, you know, with the more episodes, the less quality you have to.

That's right, that's right.

Graduated from college, moved downtown, joined epic Toledo, had worked at an ad agency and then started my own social media for nonprofit agency, if you will.

Started doing that for a while.

And from that, you know, and being involved in epic, we started the podcast Toledo Matters.

We started downtown for one nine.

So the podcast was great.

It was like this.

It was boosterism talking about the awesome stuff going on.

And I was new to Toledo.

Other than college, so I remember having Joe Napoli in there and like, why should I, at 24 get to talk to him?

And he said, the warehouse district.

And I was like, oh, where is that?

And he's like, are you kidding me?

You live downtown.

You can't do this podcast if you don't know that.

So I was like, shoot, I need to research quite.

A bit more.

Who were the co-hosts on that podcast?

Bob Tucker, Arcola and Nathan Louis, he owned the studio that we worked in.

And.

Great guy.

Yeah, yeah.

He, his family or he and a group of people run, and a vintage aerial photography company.

Is the podcast still available to to view or listen to any?

There are a couple episodes still.

We no longer pay for the SoundCloud.

Yeah.

But there.

So we had this two episode spinoff.

It was called, ironically, the 419.

And it was like highly produced.

One episode took me 84 hours, highly produced storytelling.

Just like this one.

Like in total.

We brought in some voice actors.

We had different audio engineers doing sound effects, and I was like, this is when I got into the history.

So I. Was it was.

Pretty cool, the Gangsta's Paradise history.

And yeah.

It was there's Danny mentioned it was a really well produced, I cannot imagine or would have made a measure that you just said it, how long it took to do it.

It was so much fun.

Yeah, I bet, and it was really well done, man.

It's like.

But exhausting.

I'm sure.

It.

I was working with all my friends, and you look back at you guys are all creative.

Maybe, you look back and you see these creative projects and you're like, wow, that was so much fun.

Made $0 doing right.

But wow, this is something when someone asked me about your accomplishments, those awards he mentioned.

Great.

But like this 15 minutes is so cool to listen.

Yeah.

To when you created it, which was good.

One of my clues was that you see Toledo differently than than most people who live here.

Some of that has to do with the fact that you don't currently live here.

But I'm curious for you, what was the moment?

Because, you know, you called Toledo home for a long time.

You came to school here at UT.

What was the deciding factor for you to stay here?

For sure.

And I still call Toledo home like you guys.

When I walked in, you said, how long are you home for?

Right?

I don't know if there was a moment.

I know when I graduated college, it was like.

First off, I'm from a real small, rural part of Ohio.

This was the big city.

Yeah, sure.

Yeah.

So this was the big city.

This is a lot of different cultures and stuff going on.

So this was a lot to take in at the time.

There was just so much.

There was so much going on and so many people who wanted people to do good in the community that were helping.

When I was graduating school, they were like, oh, you're thinking of starting a business?

That's great.

You should meet so-and-so.

You should join this.

We had joined Epic Toledo, the Chambers Young Professional program, before we even graduated.

So we started going to those events.

And I think at that age, you start to realize the power in network and networking.

And having that network and seeing like you know from you and I met Tevin, I was real young right out of college at the United Ways Emerging Leaders thing.

And being able to meet with and just casually have drinks with people like that.

You're like why would I give this up?

This great is when I'm.

Still is running today and is very, very energized.

Engaged.

Yeah.

Organization.

And really Ronnell Reynolds runs it.

Yeah.

And when the sales tool sometimes at UT or the business school will have me back to talk about entrepreneurship or anything like that, and they say, like, you know, after college, what did you do?

I mentioned that one specifically because it's great for professional, but it's also really great for social networking and just growing whatever you're doing.

What I mean, if you use the word entrepreneur, I think everybody who's ever met you would certainly use that word to describe you, not just because you've started a company, but just in kind of how you carry yourself.

Where did that come from?

I mean, is, was was family.

I mean, was was mom or grandma business owners or.

No, I. Think it comes from being a really bad employee.

First and foremost.

If someone tells me like, hey, you got to be in this desk chair, I'm not performing well.

So I learned in college, like, if I could control my schedule, I can be a real good self-starter these hours and then these hours.

I need to be meeting with people because I can't do busy work or what have you.

And it's that freedom and that flexibility from entrepreneurship that lets me do so many other things with my life, like come back here for a week, you know, I get to spend a week here.

And granted, some of it's work.

A lot of it's friends and family, sure.

But by having that type of a career, you get those opportunities.

It also lets me like learn credit card trick points in the middle of the day.

So.

So where are you living now?

Tell me, my wife and I lived.

First off, to your question earlier, living downtown Toledo was when I started to say, this is home.

Like this is in.

I can't imagine anywhere else.

And then my wife and I lived in the Hillcrest for a year, and then we bought a house in West Moreland, which is a hidden gem of a neighborhood.

Absolutely.

We lived there until 2022, and then we moved down to Charleston, South Carolina.

We bought that house, five minutes down the road from her parents.

So that's where we're at now.

We we bought that house, and there was like a 4.5% interest rate at the time.

And we were like, wow, this is so, so expensive.

Once this goes down, we'll get that Bartley loft we were talking about.

And now it's at like seven, six, five.

So we're still holding out.

Yeah.

But that's where I stay.

When I come back, I stay at the Bartley.

It's, I stay with, like, noble.

We walk around and can get to everything pretty easily.

Sure.

Talk about, you know, the clients you've had here kept here, and how you've brought sort of your, skill set or kept your skill set here and also to the Carolina.

Because if people don't know Danny's name, certainly inevitably anybody that's going to listen to this episode follows one of the channels that you probably.

We don't have to talk about them.

This is not a commercial for me, but, We're not lawfully allowed to have commercials on this anywhere.

Yeah, that's that's important.

It is an important part of your stories, Danny.

Danny should know the rules because.

I literally he's also on.

The board.

Here.

Yeah, yeah, but you.

Can't stop this from happening.

He's still this.

Morning.

Yeah.

So, my marketing work.

So a lot of what we do, despite what everyone thinks about social media and digital marketing, doesn't happen day off.

You're not filming that and putting it out right away.

There's a lot of, you know, planning and thought that goes into it.

So a lot of it, a lot of the reason I'm here now is to fly my drone around and collect that stuff.

I have archival footage.

I come back probably every other month, have been doing that for, three years now.

And I just have like, I can go back to my folder and say, May 2025, and I will say April, May 2026 and see, okay, we've got this, this specific greenery is coming in, or hey, we had this project and it's underway.

Can you show us some progress from that year to this year to this year so we can start to get some of all of that ready to go?

And being in digital marketing, much of what I do is behind these screens anyway.

It's on my phone.

So, you know, during Covid we learned, hey, you don't have to come into our office to have this meeting.

We can talk on the phone, we can zoom.

Kevin, you and I do this frequently during the week.

We talk for 15 minutes about clients and 45 minutes about something completely different.

But that's how that workflow works.

And I think not being number one, not being from here, I think everyone kind of gives their hometown a tough go.

Sure.

Like if you start to talk to me about my hometown, I'll talk about how cool the Amish area is.

But also how annoying the Amish, Droppings in the beginning.

You got a pretty heavy Amish down there.

Yeah.

That's our target market.

So, take it easy in that community.

I believe it, I believe it.

They've got great podcasts listening clips there, but I think Toledo, being your hometown, makes a lot of the the marketing for the area especially difficult because it's a big market.

And when there is some negativity to be had, a lot of homers like we make fun of our hometown.

So when me and some of my brands are trying to put on for Toledo our podcast back in the day, you've got people who are from here who are like, well, this isn't that great.

And you're like, I don't know, man.

Have you?

I downtown and grab the pizza right after because that's pretty cool.

Yes.

Right.

But how how do you, deal with that and not be immersed yourself and negativity?

We have a wellness Wednesday night.

I mean, it's it's, everyone talks about, the cesspool that is social media.

Yep.

Although everyone prescribes to it and is probably already looked on that well, at least one time today.

Yep.

How do you stay healthy?

Yeah.

I mean, it's difficult that you can get pulled down into that if you work very hard for things that you believe in, as does.

Well, that's true of both of you.

So I think especially.

During political years.

So like some of my brands, we had not mentioned specific honoring months or holidays because the vitriol came back so negative when you said that.

Sure.

It's not that we didn't support anything any any more or less, but we were like, hey, the comments that come back on this are just so bad.

Number one, I have a great therapist.

He's wonderful, sure.

But number two, you got to set some boundaries with these devices, right?

So like 522 720 I have this on downtime.

I'm cooking dinner.

Brittany and I are going to play mahjong or go out and sit back with the dogs and unsubscribe to my own stuff for a little while.

But then when did you turn 85 years old?

Let's see.

Oh yeah.

Yeah, yeah, you are greater than me.

It's funny, when Brittany and I first started dating, I'd want to, like, stay in and not go out and do these big parties.

Like with downtown for one nine, that nonprofit we started, we threw big rooftop parties and did all this stuff.

But then, I don't know, somewhere in having a relationship, getting engaged and married, I want to stay in more and relax.

And my wife went to a bar and some people she was out with like, yeah, I heard that, you know, Danny Woodcock, he used to go out, but his new girlfriend won't let him go out anymore.

And they didn't know I hear they didn't know Britney was there.

And she's like, yeah, I heard that too.

I heard he's no fun anymore.

Yeah.

And I'm at home like, hey, it's 8:00.

And we just heard people say about me.

Oh, so funny.

But you just like, I know what I think of the area.

You can say all the negativity you want.

And some of our brands, like, we have people who come to bat for us.

One of them, we call them the blank Brand Mafia, because they'll come in and you say something bad and they're like, listen, actually, you're wrong, right?

You shut your mouth.

And yeah, we got it going on.

What's the strategy on social media for for any brand to engage in those comments?

Do you recommend that you, that your clients or in or individuals do that?

I'm just one marketer.

There's a million of us.

I will never pretend like I am the one who knows best.

But my typical workflow is if it's negative and constructive, let's let's talk about it.

If it's just purely negative, we're going to ignore that.

We're going to try and not feed that energy.

If it's positive, great.

We'll engage with that and hopefully that boosts that up.

And other people see this brand engages with positive people.

So I want I want that attention.

Why don't you engage with me?

How should Gretchen deal with the feedback or noise that depression gets from her mom?

Yeah.

Largely negative.

So if it's constructive, right.

That's actually a good block button.

Yeah.

You can just just hinder the phone.

Yeah.

So one of the clues that I had given is that, you know, when I had been, laid off from a job during Covid, I wasn't quite sure what to do.

I mean, that day, I picked up the phone and called Danny and said, hey, can we go golfing tomorrow?

Which I knew was a way to get him to say yes.

But we were wrong on the golf course.

You know, I said, like, I don't, you know, I'm interested in kind of what you've built, how you built it.

Recommendations.

If I'm going to go start my own company, what should I do?

And you gave me great advice that I didn't follow, in part because it's just not how I'm wired.

But I'm curious how you, you know, from day one, I mean, you mentioned that your phone is on, you know, on silent Do Not Disturb from 520 to 720, but like how do you set those boundaries?

How do you keep those boundaries, especially in a world where, I mean, social media is 24 over seven, 365 it is.

And that's challenge it.

Your workflow changes the way you prescribe to the changes.

So I'll set up early and do some work 7 to 8 or 7 to 830, and then log off for a little bit.

Have some coffee, have some breakfast, take a walk or go for a workout.

But that definitely changes how things go along.

And social media changes when when I started this, it was a lot of photo that was p shoot, click edit and now it's a lot of video.

So that's a lot more editing.

You got to worry about the audio with these microphones.

Like this one right here.

And you gotta work really hard to make sure all of that quality looks good and sounds good.

Talk to me a little bit about, And you're not a clinician, right.

But yeah, you know, the market talks a lot to me a little bit about the attention span that has changed.

Yeah, even in so small, when I remember when we video has always been obviously important words of a visual or largely a visual, species.

But five minute video right now is like a Ken Burns documentary.

Only on YouTube.

So if you're putting out hour long podcasts through.

Stuff, you're diculous.

Yeah, it's absurd.

The I stopped listening to you when you came out the.

The rule of thumb that I usually use, and that has been an industry standard for a little bit, is you get one quarter of one second to decide if someone's gonna stop that scroll and look at what you're doing, and then you have less than two seconds for someone to decide if they're going to buy in and watch whatever you get, or they're going to go on.

And then it kind of varies, like you might get ten more seconds of full attention, you might get a minute if it's a good explainer or a good storyline, but it's that quarter of a second and then two seconds.

In your we're all in the relationship business to some degree where we've got a minute left in the first segment.

But when you talk about developing a relationship with a user on the other end of the phone, on the other end of a social media channel, what does that relationship and trust look like to you?

Yeah, it has to be authentic and real and you have to be actually engaging with them.

It can't be, it's easy to fall into the trap of, hey, can you post this for our brand and asked for something?

But it's when you make a natural friend, a real connection with someone, whether you're commenting on their stuff or hitting them with the DM, like, hey, I saw that work.

That was really cool.

Great job.

And it has nothing to do with your business or your brand.

I think you have to really like, try and be a human being and connect with them.

It's called social networking through social media.

We're talking with Daniel Woodcock, my mystery guest for today.

We're going to take a break when we come back.

You have done, a significant amount of travel in the time that I've known you.

International travel, both from a service perspective.

But also from, just a vacation perspective.

I want to talk about Rotary International work, but I also want to talk about some of those credit card tips, as well.

So we'll take a break.

When we come back, we'll continue our conversation with Danny Woodcock here on the 419.

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Danny.

So you and I, met through service?

Yep.

Continued to work together through Toledo Rotary.

I know you've been very active even to this day as a member of Toledo Rotary, with the international services, program.

Talk to me about why rotary matters and why you care, so much about this work.

Yeah.

Long.

And the short of it is, I joined rotary because I thought it would be good networking.

Right.

Like a lot of people do, and I. You joined a committee?

I joined international Services.

Mike Noble, the friend that I stay with who I mentioned earlier, was the chair of that committee at the time.

And he said, hey, we need to go to Costa Rica in January for a service conference.

And I laughed at him in his face.

Costa Rica in January.

There's no shot.

This group is sending me a new member to do this.

And they were like, we would lov if a new member could go with our chair of International Services.

So you get down, you get down there.

Beautiful.

Number one.

Number two, we stayed at an Airbnb and this woman goes, why are two young men here in the middle of January?

We're here for rotary.

And she goes oh she like dropped everything.

Oh my god.

Rotary.

You need to meet my 18 year old son.

What?

Why you'd be such good influences on him.

Ma'am.

I'm sorry.

You don't know us yet.

She's like, hey, whenever you're done with your stuff today, let me drive you around town.

So she we got in a car with our Airbnb host in Costa Rica, which I know that we recommend.

Yeah, she drives us into town, and there is a big rotary plaque in the middle, right.

And there is a rotary like hospital on one end, and there's a water well and she goes, this was our first clean water well that we had.

And you're like, man, this lunch group did all this.

That couldn't be us.

And then you go to the I went to this networking event.

It was the welcome ceremony.

And people were like, Toledo Rotary.

Thank you for helping us clean this, this water project or this lake.

I think it was Lake Tahoe at the time.

Thank you so much for your contribution to our clean water project in Malawi.

And yeah, I told Tevin at the time, like you kind of get addicted and yeah, it dropped real hard on this where oh my gosh, you can have this.

Impact right.

Where like here we do great projects locally.

Don't get me.

Sure.

Awesome community service project here.

Very important causes.

But when you go to a place that you're driving around and you can tell like the they don't have running water that's clean to drink, they need to walk to do their laundry a mile or two.

They can't get adequate health care, not just vaccines, but like you have a stomach bug, you can't get medicine, and all of a sudden you get the chance to.

I know it's playing a small part, but you get a chance to cure that and help with that.

I can't swear on this podcast, but holy is that sure.

Is that impactful?

And then I went down to Charleston.

I joined their club and they do great work too, but they don't do international services like Toledo Rotary does.

So I called you and Jackie and I said, hey, please can I come back?

I have one purpose in rotary, and it's this international service and I want to keep doing it.

And they were gracious enough to let me and my.

Wife I mean, this is really just play maintenance.

So why are.

Not all.

Rotary chapters created equal?

What gives them their focus?

Or, you know, rotary is like the 10th largest in the world right now.

So number one, you've got that going for it.

And number two, I think sorry Kevin talking out of turn.

I think they we have invested a long time in international efforts specifically like some clubs have an international branch and they might do an international project here and there.

But like we every year try and send people to other countries, other continents to go to these projects, fairs and see what's happening and to meet people like we're talking about social media to make real friends and connections so that when their projects come up or when we have projects we want to do, we have people that we can collaborate with.

Yeah, it's you know, I was, down in Honduras, a couple of years ago.

And you talk to people and they, you know, in different cities around Honduras, they know Toledo, Ohio, because of Toledo Rotary.

Yeah.

And and part of that is, I mean, a longstanding history of our club of investing in this, you know, polio eradication of polio is a major priority of rotary internationally.

And Toledo Rotary was one of the first clubs to to make a six figure gift to support that effort.

Yeah.

When, when it, when it first started.

So I think there's there's a, there's an expectation, I think of us as sort of the, the new generation of rotary leaders to continue that, like.

Let's say, like right behind you, you got the freeway test, you got the rotary.

You never look behind it.

It's a forward thinking, but I. Do because I watch.

It.

So, let me ask you, this is, again, at the risk of putting you on the spot, Danny, there's a duality to what you just said and your profession.

And what I mean by that is, you just lightly touched on something that I think is a universal truth.

You have to travel, even across the street.

Sometimes you have to knock on your neighbor's door to get to know them, to care more about them, to make that connection right.

You travel to Honduras, you travel to Costa Rica to understand how people are actually living.

I know that's a big part of your travels, immersing yourself in, other cultures and things of that variety.

How is that a universal truth?

And also, now that we are claiming to have a connection through our phones, in a way that is meaningful, I'm not there's not so box.

I'm not.

Yeah.

I don't think that Facebook and other things are the same.

The apocalypse is upon us, but it is nonetheless worth examining that we are not in evolved species to the degree that we think we are.

And connection is critical, for not just making our lives better, but for survival.

So how how have you chosen to live your life, to travel, immerse yourself and also look for impressions on social media?

How does this dual do that come together?

It helps when you're overseas to not have service.

That's a great way to connect and meet people.

Without this device.

People are we're different than what we are on there.

If you look at my Instagram like similar to that guy, but I'm not that guy.

We you got to connect and go out there.

And I think on social media, same deal.

You got to make friends and meet them in real life too.

I think a lot of people rely on it.

But ultimately, at the end of the day, most people, I think, understand that it's just not it's not a replacement.

Yeah, it's or if it is, you're probably not doing well.

Right?

I mean, it's it you need to have contact with actual humans and help actually live a life of service and, and helping other to be.

And I'll tell you what, I follow a lot of other rotary clubs.

I engage with their stuff like at Lake Audi Lions Club in Guatemala.

Beautiful lake.

We help clean up the water a little bit.

But I didn't meet any of those people like I have met in some of the clubs in Costa Rica or Honduras or, other clubs in central Guatemala.

And we just don't have that same connection.

I comment on everything they post.

Great job, good work.

Would love to be a part of it.

But since they don't know me like I know Kevin, I know the Toledo Rotary Club, but I know Kevin.

So if I have a project, I'm going to call Kevin.

I don't necessarily have that with them because our only interaction is through digital media.

So I think you and Matt and I met, an improv.

Did you know, do you know that?

You know, before.

That, I don't remember.

Yeah.

We did.

You did, at pitching for at the launchpad incubator.

When I was doing.

Marketing.

At those clients.

You were the host of that?

That's right.

Yeah.

Remember, the only time I've been gone up on stage or gone anywhere where I was brought on up to jock jams, which was not talk to me, and it was the.

First and.

Last time it was like the most non connected thing ever for Matt Dillon.

But we were in the early days of Glass City Improv.

We took six classes together, which was so fun.

So far so good.

Do you do anything like that now?

Where are you?

I'm so happy to say I don't.

Oh really?

Yeah.

Nobody wants to see me on stage.

It was fun.

It was for.

Me.

It was super fun.

Yeah, we had a great time.

And Gretchen refused on stage, too.

And that's that's terrible.

I, I don't mind saying it.

Again, at this opportunity, it is a loss to the improv community that you don't do it onstage.

Well, now I have to.

Yeah, you should.

My fan demands it.

I'll tell you.

All right.

It did make me better at my job in connecting with people.

I think that's even something small, like saying.

And instead of.

But like you learn.

Yes.

And in improv a lot.

If someone would come to me, a client and say we want this posted 40 times.

Same deal, same graphic, same text, 40 times, because I want to make sure people see it and I'm like, hey, that's that's a bad strategy.

We actually need to switch that graphic up or switch that text up.

Instead of saying, yeah, we can do that, but it might not work.

I would say, yes, we can do that.

And I think maybe we should try some variations of the message like that.

For some folks that works.

For others, that strategy of we're going to post this 40 times 40 text 40 same.

We're going to we're going to kill them with quantity actually works out really well.

But to your point about connectivity with with humans.

Yeah.

And being around people, I mean, the improv people on the improv people are similar people and they're generally a joyful group and a goofy group.

Right.

And so when you find that group of people that you can spend time.

In all black, yeah.

You're grateful and joyful and joyful and goofy.

Yeah.

But anyway, it's, it was.

Had you done any performing prior to improv?

I did like the Pod Death.

Do you sing or do standup or any, like, over my voice?

I yeah.

Except for Kevin.

Yeah.

Well, actually, you can sing.

I can't sing, but though.

Yeah.

So let's talk about some of you were there's was back back to the some of your other social media content people that follow that follow your page as, as I do.

This is your personal stuff, both for your travel.

You also have a little niche.

Well, I'm describing as a niche thing, which is your candy and snack reviews.

Yeah.

Which I, I mean.

The Danny Danny social media is, is one of maybe 3 or 4 things.

Yeah.

Right.

If you follow my social media, you're either going to see food.

Food him cook it here.

Very good cook.

Thanks.

So it's clear.

No one says that about him.

He tries, but does.

Yeah.

I Sabado it's.

So it's going to be food.

Yep.

It's going to be travel.

Yes.

It's going to be dogs or my favorite thing on social media.

The snack reviews his grandma.

Yeah yeah yeah it is.

Grandma's the best I have.

Yeah.

Yeah I'm hanging out with her this weekend.

She hates the camera on her but she's so funny.

Do you ever have her test the snacks?

Combine them.

Not adventurous with food?

No, no.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's funny that you say that because snacks and food are only on my stories.

I will never post those on my timeline.

They're only on the stories.

But the brand is.

I guess I'm going to brand.

I am so much on Instagram now, only looking at stories anymore.

A lot of people do that.

Yeah, we call you guys lurkers.

Oh, okay.

That was pre that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

She's been lurking.

Since.

Yeah yeah.

Yeah.

So tell us a little bit about this travel.

Yeah.

So my wife lived in Korea and Taiwan before she came here.

She was working with the Red cross when she lived here.

That's how we met when we first started dating.

She said we're going to travel.

I like to travel.

I want you to.

And I had never traveled.

And we went to Amsterdam and Belgium.

And Antwerp is amazing.

Like Kevin said, it, it like truly is life changing and it sounds so hyperbolic, but just immersing yourself in another culture, even the speed at which people talk, walk and move, you come back and you're just seeing things differently and you are different as a person.

And then that same year, I went to Costa Rica for rotary, and that was when we were like, man, travel is expensive and we figure out a different way to do this.

And I had just opened my first Big boy credit card.

We ended up using those points the next year to go to China.

We were like, this flight is free.

This is incredible.

At a points.

Yeah.

So.

Where are you using?

So tell us a little bit about this.

This business that you it's almost like a consultancy, right.

Where you can meet with people.

Doesn't make a lot of money.

Yeah.

Let me be clear.

Yeah.

My peacock social, the marketing business makes most of my income.

To Kevin's point, earlier when we talked on the golf course, I told him I'm not trying to build a multi-million dollar business.

I'm trying to build something I can do with the people I like and make a comfortable living without trying to do too much.

So this other than than trying to do too much part.

I think that you follow that, right?

That's the bet.

But that's the piece of it.

I mean, but like.

Yeah, but I, Trying.

So when I started my consulting company, I instantly went to, how do I scale this?

Right.

So, I mean, I hired a full time employee.

Yeah, two weeks in row.

And that person for the first nine months of my company got a paycheck before I did.

Yeah, sure.

And more.

I got a paycheck for my kids.

Did.

And so it was like, well.

And so Danny was like, I'm never going to.

Have you had your kids working for you?

I wish I would be more successful.

I've never hired anyone.

I have a couple of partners who helped me with stuff like Josiah Williamson, one of the best former firefighter, one of the best photographers and videographers around, but the worst Xbox player I've ever played with.

Oh my God, what about I did?

I told him yesterday I'd be doing that.

Do you want to.

Take a shot on you?

And you do that?

I just cut straight into.

Like, a separate graphic.

Yeah.

So so the point stuff, points playbook is what we called it.

A friend of mine was getting married.

Said, I want to travel.

You keep going on these trips, teach me how.

So I did.

The LLC told him you don't have to pay, but just give me, you know, testimonial if this works.

So we built him a playbook to say you're going to get these cards and put your expenses for the wedding on this.

You're going to get this many points from these cards with this many points, you can get these flights to Greece, and we can book these couple of hotels.

Take your pick while you're in Greece for these two weeks.

And that was like and it worked.

Oh yeah, it worked.

And for me, that's so much fun.

If someone just texts me or mentions like, I want to go to Milan, I'll be like, oh, did you know Emirates flies directly there?

It's the only flight to Europe that doesn't connect to the middle East.

You should take him right out of JFK.

So does every credit card have points?

So you have to choose particular one.

Chase, Citi Capital One and Amex are the big ones.

Chase and Amex are the big ones by far.

Like, if we were to open my wallet, you'll see a bunch of chase and.

And you can get points that quickly that you can that because because yeah.

You know I think that the common belief has at least certainly was my belief is that it just takes so long to get the points and then you don't really get the.

Value if you're only using one card.

Okay.

So like the secret of this industry is and the people will talk about it.

You open multiple cards a year like I probably have 25 credit cards.

Right.

And our generation lumping us all together.

You're welcome.

Thank you.

Despite my grace, our generation treats credit cards more like debit cards, right?

We're not carry balances.

So this this type of thing, if I tell someone who's in a generation or two older than me.

This is dangerous, right?

Exactly.

I mean, like, I just did a seminar last week and they a couple people came up after and said, nobody's doing this.

And I had to tell them they're talking to their whole living doing this and telling other people to do it.

I just do it for fun and help a couple of people out here.

So we open probably 3 or 4 credit cards a year, and each of those has anywhere from a 60,000 to I just got 200,000 points with my dogs.

Vet bill, for your sign up bonus, once you hit that sign up bonus.

Wow, I've got 200,000 points.

It would take me $200,000 in spend alone every day.

Spend to get the first the sign up.

This is the first cogent thing I've heard that makes me want to have a dog.

Yeah, well, you.

Already have a dog, though.

And then.

And then on the flip side of that, it's how you spend them.

So most people go to Amex Travel or Chase travel and spend your points in there.

But if you transfer those points to a United Airlines instead of spending them in Chase at the seminar, I showed a flight from, DC to Munich.

Same flight, business class, same hours, 80,000 points on United, 672 on Chase, 621 on Amex.

Just because obviously United values United miles more than we've got to chase near my ex points.

So if you just take a few extra steps and transfer those, you usually get more bang.

What's your next big trip that you're going to be taking on your points?

So we were supposed to go to Peru and Chile last year, but our dog started getting sick.

So we are doing that's okay.

He lesson he has a pool in his backyard is a very great life.

But he has he's he has epilepsy so occasionally has seizures.

We haven't figured out his rhythm yet.

Once we know that okay.

He's going to have let's say it's two a month.

Whatever it is, when he gets adjusted to the meds, we'll be comfortable to go.

And we've been I ain't going back to Korea.

Nice.

Like of all my travels, Japan number one best place I've.

Been on is my bucket list.

Oh, it's it's so nice.

The food is so good.

And plug for balanced grills.

Japanese egg salad sandwich.

Just when I was over there, I was eating those left and right.

And then P.K.

said, hey, come try these.

And I had one yesterday.

I said, we have one again.

It's ridiculous.

All right.

We got a rapid fire.

It's now time for Gretchen's wacky quiz.

And you have for.

I'm a little disappointed because, actually, Kevin, I made a jingle for this.

You did?

That's right, you did.

We haven't used it yet.

Yeah, for rapid fire questions for me.

Greg forgot you to describe Toledo in one word.

And you, Matt Willis.

The nine best things in Toledo.

Question number one.

What's the spiciest thing you've ever eaten?

Oh, I don't mess with spice for the most part.

But when we were in China, we had a set menu, and Brittany loved it.

And they just kept delivering us session spice foods.

We didn't speak Chinese, so we didn't really know what it was.

When you saw those, oh my.

Gosh, did it burn?

So I'd take half a bite of each plate.

And she loved it.

So it was this sequence, that menu.

Yikes.

When do you think people will live on other planets?

Never.

Okay, what's a song that describes your life right now?

Well, Langley.

Be her.

What's something you're grateful for?

You guys.

All right?

You guys?

Yeah.

What's the one word you would use to describe the city of Toledo?

Underappreciated.

No doubt.

Even people that live here now and that visit here, you start to see if you look for it.

Man, this is.

There's so much cool stuff to do and find and see if you go look it.

Okay.

Yeah.

We got to catch up there.

We got nine things to remember.

Nine things.

Number one, the parks specifically blessed the Riverwalk and, the, the, oh, Wildwood.

Okay, so Metroparks me up.

Yes, but not just the Metro Parks Ottawa Park, too, because the Bike Ottawa Park is number two.

The golf course at Ottawa Park specifically.

But number three, the bike trails that go through Ottawa and Germain.

Yeah, those also connect the city to Willys Overland as well.

City parks keep going.

Downtown Toledo, they call it our concrete jungle.

We could do so much and get around so easily, and there's so much great stuff to do.

Now we're going food.

The tacos at San Marcos.

So our first love it.

Balanced grill.

Balanced.

Yep.

And love peak.

The pizza Steven Brothers M Osteria I love it.

Pizza cat you get so many things.

You get sneaky food.

Leave out the garden.

The garden.

The garden is pretty good too.

But those are my three favorites.

Yeah.

You got three left here, so.

I got three left.

The the excess of everything.

Like there's no congestion here.

The traffic is pretty easy to get around.

All right.

The affordability I'm in doesn't like to talk about that, but, wow, is it great.

Closing was strong.

What's the last.

Thing I would l One more.

You guys.

Again, that was.

A double.

We appreciate you.

We'll take my.

Friend Van Winkle.

Yes.

Done and done.

Danny Woodcock, thank you so much.

You get the award for farthest travel.

That's right.

But you got points for it.

Yeah.

I love it.

Thank you so much for joining us.

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That's right.

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There's so many cool things happening around Toledo this summer.

One of them a program coming back to downtown Toledo, is Spectrum Sailing.

We're joined now by Chris Off and Berg and Brandy Boney.

Thank you so much for being here.

Chris, I'll start with you.

Talk to me about what is spectrum Satellite and how did you get involved?

So Spectrum Sailing is the only national sailing camp in the country.

We're currently in 14 cities this year.

Expanding to two more cities next year.

It was founded by my one of my best friend, Scott Herman.

He lives in Charleston, South Carolina.

But he learned how to sail here in Toledo.

So when he started doing this camp outside of Charleston, one place he wanted to definitely be in is Toledo.

And he'll always have a camp in Toledo as long as he's running the program.

So he founded it because when he tried to get his son into sailing camp in Charleston, as soon as people heard the word autism, they did not they did not allow him to be in the camp.

So he said, I need to do something where my son and other kids can be involved in a sailing camp.

And once it worked well in Charleston for a few years, he decided to take it on the road.

And so Toledo in Chicago were the first two camps outside of Charleston.

And, he invited me to come along because we've known each other for so long.

I'm an educator and have summers off, so I was able to help him in the two northern cities that he goes to.

So I've kind of been a partner all along since then and, volunteering at several of the camps in the summer.

Educator.

What capacity?

I teach second grade.

Yeah, right.

That's when I peaked.

Yeah.

You're making meaningful pauses in people's lives, I can tell you.

Brandy, talk to me about how you got involved.

You're with North Cape Yacht Club.

I am, I run the Adult Learn to Sail program at North Cape Yacht Club, and I'm also an educator.

And so when I heard that the program was coming to North Cape, I got involved as a volunteer in the first year.

And then since then, I've kind of been the liaison and helped with set up and volunteers and getting all the ducks in a row, if you will.

But it's it's just such a it's such an amazing program.

Because it's built specifically with, autistic students in mind.

Inclusion in mind.

Yeah, absolutely.

And, and, and sailing is frequently seen as a, as a really exclusive sport.

And it doesn't have to be.

Sure.

So it's really exciting, to see the kids and also to see the adults.

The parents.

Yeah.

It's a great.

Point.

That's amazing.

It's an amazing part of of what we do.

Tell us about what the camp consists of.

So what what would the would the kids or young adults be experiencing every day at the camp?

So every day when we come in, the first thing we focus on is getting settled in practicing tying knots.

And we learn a new.

Not every day.

All knots that are used a lot in sailing.

So very useful knots.

We also, do check out the weather, make sure.

What's the weather going to be like.

Why is it important that we need to know about the weather going out on the lake?

And then each day they learn a different, a different, point of the sailing, you know, the sailing aspect of everything.

So the technical stuff about sailing.

So one day might be points of sail.

What?

Where do we have to have our sail when the wind's coming from a certain direction?

And then by day three, typically these kids are the ones captaining the boat on their own.

I mean, there are the adults on the boat with them.

There's always a sailing instructor and an autism instructor with them, but the kids are the ones doing all the work by day three.

This is a program is designed certainly for and for kids with autism in mind.

But is it is this camp exclusively for kids with autism?

This.

Yes, this camp is.

Yes.

Talk to me a little bit about, All parents are neurotic.

I am an example of that.

And a helicopter parent to a large degree.

But talk a little bit about safety and the duality with water and autism.

So we, our ratio is 8 to 10, eight adults to ten kids.

That's great.

Any of our programing space, that's great.

Especially when we're on the water.

Yeah.

And we also have online training for all of our volunteers before they can be volunteering at our camps.

A lot of our volunteers, now that we've been in cities multiple times, are return volunteers.

And so when they invite their peers out, their friends out, they say, this is how we do it.

This is why we do it.

And then they say, here's the training you need to be a part of in order to do that.

So that's me up a little bit.

How did the sailing bug hug the two of you?

You from, a long list of merchant marines or what?

Tell me how you got when you were.

When did you start getting into this?

I, my husband and I actually took the adult Learn to Sail class that I now run at North Cape in 2020.

It was our pandemic activity.

We figured we'll go out and, you know, you're outside and that sort of thing.

My husband wanted to learn to sail for a really long time.

I thought, okay, we'll go out.

I'll throw up.

I won't ever have to hear about this.

Yeah.

For sure.

Yeah.

I did not throw up.

Okay.

I really enjoyed it.

A lot of their dates.

Is this the conversation you have with your husband?

Is it beating on your vomiting?

Let me go out.

I'm going to puke.

And then we'll go home.

40% vomit.

Yeah, it was his.

Like it was his dream to learn to sail.

And I was like, man, I I'm not I'm not altogether that interested in that.

Yeah, I'm picking up on that.

Yeah.

And but then when once we did it, I was like, oh, this is amazing.

And so we bought a boat that fall.

I always thought that sailing was for people with more money than sense.

And, God, I wish I could be one of those.

I know that, I mean glorious.

Yeah.

Well, you are sort of the embodiment of there's no zealot like a convert.

So that's wonderful.

And how about you?

So I became interested in sailing when Scott Herman called me and said, Will you come help me with sailing camp?

Yeah.

And so I tell the kids and the parents every year I'm learning again this week with your kids.

I get to go three times a year, which I'm fortunate.

I do Toledo, Chicago, and now we had a Detroit last year, so I'm excited that I get to, like I said, the camps in the North when the weather's warm, but I, I kind of relearn sailing every time.

Sure, I'm more of the kid specialist in the classroom and on the boats with the kids, but yeah, we need both.

Glad to be along for this with Scott.

Yeah.

Why?

Why does sailing matter?

Sailing matters specifically to our camp.

Because the water has a very calming effect for a lot of kids on the spectrum.

We've had stories where families say before camp, they were never willing to try this activity.

Before camp, they didn't try this activity.

But because of camp, the afternoon after camp ended, we were able to to try a few different things.

We've had kids from the not tying experience to their shoes for the first time.

Oh my gosh, what a wonderful story.

We've had kids because of the sense of balance that you get from being on the water.

Learn how to ride a bike for the first time after they attend our camps for three days.

So it's it's really the soothing of the of the water, and and the rolling that is important to the kids.

Yeah.

Can you just talk a expand a little bit more on that?

Like, what are some of the other effects that you're hearing from families?

The most amazing one I ever saw was year one in Chicago.

Scott had asked me to do some interview pieces because we didn't have anything professional like this set up.

So I said, yeah, I'll do that.

Got my little tripod.

I was talking to a mom and all of a sudden the mom is staring behind me at the lawn and almost crying.

And I said, what's happening?

She said, my son has never walked on grass and bare feet.

He's afraid of grass usually, and I just watched him walk from the water across into the into the clubhouse without any shoes on.

And he he's never done that before in his life.

So his sensory overload was soothed by being out on the water.

Yeah, it's really overshoots and burning over here from the radio.

Right.

Yeah.

Tell me about, this there's certainly bravery in what you did, too.

I mean, it wasn't just non-interest, but now, where one North Cape Yacht Club.

And do you have a ceiling adventure in mind for for you and your husband?

Well, my husband would like to retire to a boat.

I don't think even a even a large boat will be now.

He's gone too far.

Yeah, I guess.

Yeah.

As much as I love sailing, I don't know that I can live on 40ft of boat.

What about if each had your own boat, Oh, that's.

That's not a bad I heard.

Yeah.

See what happens.

Gretchen is a problem solver on the show.

Well, we've got this.

We've got.

We've got some plans.

Yes.

Yeah.

Speaking of plans, you haven't, talked to me about the summer, calendar.

You've got some events or some things coming up until, you know, go ahead and let's do it.

Sure.

Well, the, the campus from June 9th through 11th, and, the application for sailors is still open.

It will be open through May 9th.

So just just for a little while longer.

Where do we find it?

You find it?

Spectrum sailing.

North.

Spectrum sailing.org.

Got it.

Yep.

And so that's, still open as well as the volunteer is also on the same page.

If folks are interested in volunteering.

If if folks wanted to volunteer and they think I've never been on a boat, I don't know that that's really my cup of tea.

Don't worry.

We can find other things for you, for folks to do.

Not a problem.

How many kids participate in the camp?

Good question.

So there's an a morning and afternoon session.

So typically 10 to 12 kids in the morning and then 10 to 12 kids in the afternoon.

It is all by lottery.

So if you get your name in by May 9th, there is no charge for any kid who participates in our camps.

Right?

And then it's by lottery that we choose who's able to participate.

Good for you both.

People want more information about the camp.

Where can they find it?

Spectrum sailing.org.

Awesome.

Thank you for being here.

I just kind of love this.

This morning, I just.

Good for the two of you.

I know you're not in for accolades.

But I hope you're so proud of us.

You should be.

Thank you.

Absolutely.

Wonderful.

All right.

Well, we can do it.

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Welcome back in to the 419 as we wrap up our mystery guest edition.

Good.

Guests?

Yeah, just the guests.

Yeah, I, I want to make sure that the three S's there.

Yeah.

Chris and Brandi, my Beckman sailing program is so cool.

So when I first saw this this morning, for those who don't know, we come in, at any time that this is not necessarily the morning.

And it's special for me.

I was like, this can possibly be, ceiling for, like, the kids that are on the spectrum.

And of course it is.

And I knew a little bit about, the water component of it.

From, you know, my day job.

This is an incredibly cool thing.

And then we got to show this show does uncover things, even for us, that either we should know about or things are happening here.

And this is just a great, great job, Kevin.

Yeah, there's so many great things that are happening.

And it just it just so happened to work out that, there's a Charleston, South Carolina connection to both of our guests.

It's the theme of the day that's on it.

Yeah.

I, I joked with Danny that we need to get Visit South Carolina to be a sponsor.

They do need this episode.

Yeah.

But the reality is, I don't want you to visit South Carolina because Toledo's a great place.

That's right.

And you should stay right here all summer long, because we've got great.

Programs like your love.

That's exactly right.

Daniel Hook was great.

Good friend, good person.

And somebody that certainly I've looked up to.

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