Now the 490.

With Gretchen de Bakker might kill them.

And Kevin Mullin up.

Welcome in to a Friday edition of the 419, powered by presented by Retro Wealth Management.

I'm Kevin Mullin, alongside Gretchen De Backer.

I kill them.

So it's our mystery guest day, and it's your surprise guest.

Today, man.

Yeah, my big my big day.

My big debut.

This this is your first.

So I my own secret guest.

This is the first time that Gretchen has allowed you to bring in a secret guest.

That's right.

Although this person is on, I think, all of our lists and has been on.

So.

Okay so I'm kind of excited about it.

That's the first.

Clue.

Yeah.

But I do want to talk about, I, I'm going to fall victim to something that I know you've mentioned before, our proximity to where we record, which is secret to keep our fans away.

Which is bakery is very close.

I will be stopping by there, but I did want to ask two of you.

The best donut in town.

Your your thoughts on this?

It is very difficul being less than a mile from work every day that we're here.

Yeah, that's that's traumatizing.

But, I'd probably say weekly based on it.

Okay.

Yeah.

See, I don't know tha I've ever had a bad donut 100%.

Yeah.

So.

Like a bakery, is fantastic.

Where's that?

Oregon.

Okay.

And then there's strains.

Yeah.

Which is fantastic.

And then, Holy Toledo donut, I think was just like, that' that's like a destination donut.

It's not an every day like.

For me, a dumpste is a destination for New York.

That they are.

Do you have a favorite.

Favorite donut?

Yeah.

Apple fritter.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

It's not a donut, but that's okay.

How is that not a donut?

Because you just ate fruit.

What's your favorite donut?

Oh, I like, you know, ham and cheese sandwich.

We are?

Yeah.

I'm just now learning this.

You're saying that a fritter?

Yeah.

Is not a donut?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right, you know what?

We're going to take this to a poll.

We're going to we're going to put this on social media.

Yeah.

I want to know, yes or no?

So it's thumb up.

If you, agree with Mat that a fritter is not a donut.

Love.

If you agree with me.

Yeah, I think that's already sort of skewing it a bit.

Yeah, that's how we do it.

I like a, custard filled Long John.

That's not a donut.

It's a Long John.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's also a terrible choice.

So there's two things I've got.

What's yours?

Which I like.

The, blueberry, frosted one.

Those are.

So good.

I always.

Wants to.

That's like a this incredibly awesome fake cherry taste.

Like it tastes like red.

Yes, it tastes like the color.

Like blueberry.

Tastes like purple.

It does?

Yeah Yeah.

Our kids like the default.

They have, you know, proximity to our house.

Dunkin donuts is right around the corner.

And so, like, they want for their birthday.

Dunkin donuts in the morning.

Man, that Krispy Kreme, Dunkin donuts.

Yeah.

That is a that's a that's a fight for the second place for me.

I like.

Going into 16 getting for donuts, pretending like I'm making them for other people.

I like going here.

I like the ide because they get what they want.

Yeah.

Let me think.

Yeah, they have cancer.

So I want to make sure I get it right.

I like going to Krispy Kreme.

He looks at me like.

Yeah, just pick him.

Welcome back Gretchen.

Can I get, two coffees as well?

Exactly.

I think the other one likes it with, cream.

Yeah, I'm just visiting.

Where's the planet fitness?

Closest to here.

They're close.

Yeah.

Yes, sir.

Please put your fans back on.

I default to, I just, like.

I feel like my taste bud add points to local on places.

All right.

And so, you know, that's.

Well, I do love Dunkin Donuts, and there's an aspect of that that is local owned.

And I know we've got a handful of the, the local owners that d a lot of work in the community.

You can't you can't argue wit what which is is done as well.

So fantastic.

All right.

When we come back, Matt, you're on the hot seat.

Yeah.

That's right.

You have, you know, we've been doing this for two years as a podcast.

This obviously we're in month one, still with GT, but you are on the hot seat with the special guest.

That's right, Mr.

Guest.

I will not let you down.

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Welcome back into the 419 powered by GT and presented by Retro Wealth Management.

It's our Friday surprise guest edition.

And inevitably, you know when you when you launch a new show, there's there's growing pains, right?

There's things that that we learn and there's, you know, advantages and disadvantages.

And one of the challenges we found, Gretchen gets very anxious about getting guests in and out of the chair.

Yeah.

And so we just said, you know what?

Forget it.

Let's just bring the guest into the chair.

Yeah, and so, Matt, d you want to give us any hints?

Okay, a couple things.

Yeah, absolutely.

So it's a man.

Oh, man.

Sitting.

Right.

Next to you?

Yep.

Yeah.

Based on his degenerative hip condition, I had to help him into his chair.

That's true.

He i a my favorite local cinephile.

Any guesses as to who it.

David, don't don't don't guess.

You can' guess what you just said.

David.

That's a hint.

Yeah.

No.

It's okay.

Yeah, it is a dear friend.

Of all of ours.

Someone who is on all of our lists except for Kevin.

So we can bring up that if you want.

It is David Tiberius, man.

It's perfect.

That's right.

Yeah.

He's on all of our lists.

In fact, he was going to be m mystery guest on February 11th.

We did.

I'm learning today that that's not.

Going to happen.

And David and I did it right.

Maybe just like Gretchen called me.

What do I do?

It's like avoider.

Yeah, yeah, go to the hospital.

She just do it.

I do that and that's normal.

Yeah.

That's right.

That's so normal.

Yeah.

All right.

Thank you for coming in.

Thank you for having me.

I a couple things I would say I do want to talk about the land bank.

And, you are, a dear friend of mine and, an incredibly smart, and and just a great buddy.

But I don't think a lot of people know, much about you, and we're not going to do a real deep dive because I know that you were part of the CIA in your youth.

So some of it has been redacted.

That's I. Which is a popular thing That's why the fake middle name.

That's right.

Or is it?

Yeah.

That's where the fake last name.

But, where are you from, David?

Yeah.

I grew up in Dayton.

Yeah, yeah, I grew up in Dayton.

Went to Catholic school in Dayton.

Sure.

We have coed Catholic schools in Dayton.

So that was the first thing when I heard that I was like.

What's going.

To go to.

I went to Carol.

Okay, girls.

Yeah.

The fighting range.

Yeah yeah yeah, yeah.

No.

It's so well, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

I did a lot of research.

The Patriots is it the Patriot It is a patriot.

That's right.

Yeah I can't believe I remember that.

Yeah.

It was a long time ago.

Yeah.

Yeah I, and I came to Toledo t go to the University of Toledo.

Sure And I never going to be a flier.

It was.

Yeah.

No, all of my friends went to the University of Dayton.

Yeah.

And I wanted to go a little farther away.

Yeah.

And so picked Toledo.

I was going be an engineering major.

That's why I picked Toledo.

Great engineering school.

Yeah, I never knew that.

Yeah, I know, right.

And then over the summer before I started, I was like, I don't think I'm going to be an engineer.

So I did the next best thing, which is I became an English major.

That's right.

The natural normal.

Normal progression.

Flipping.

Through, flipping through the, course catalog.

Yeah.

It's like, well, the.

Engines are next to each.

Other in English.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like I didn't go any farther.

Yeah.

That's right, I. Was next door.

Yeah.

It just was God's will.

What I learned from.

Yeah.

The good old Carol Patriots.

You got it.

That's got it.

Yeah.

They're there.

Nobody's going to see the show.

Yeah.

In the area.

Yeah.

My mom we're big in Dayton.

Oh yeah yeah yeah.

But she's.

Our next.

My parents are still in Dayton.

Love this.

Yeah.

My yeah my my, family still in Dayton.

My brother and his family liv in Kettering, which is a suburb.

I'm sure people people know a lot of Dayton suburbs, but I'm actually from Dayton Yeah.

Grew up in the city proud.

When did you realize after you were here at the University of Toledo that you were going to stay here?

Was it a conscious decisio or just because you were doing so well?

It just happened.

It's a good question.

I was involved in a lot of student activities.

Helped to recreate the College Democrats a long time, like when Joh Kerry was running for president.

That's how Gretchen and I met.

You're kidding.

Yeah, because.

Then I got involved in some local campaigns, worked for County Commissioner Pete Gerken when he was running fo commissioner, worked in the same fun office with Gretchen.

Who had an office on Adam Street that was working for Commissioner, and Wade was running for treasurer.

Right over that time.

Yeah.

So we.

We shared office space there.

Hung out the God.

How about that?

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Give me some.

That was.

Gretchen.

Park back part of the office we were in.

The more.

Lit part?

Yeah, sure.

That's how this show is.

We just have a lady.

Wages we've on to that office, basically.

Yeah.

How long ago we talking?

This is.

92,004.

I was going to say.

You say John Kerry, 2004.

Yeah.

I graduated in law school.

Gretchen was in her nine year before.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's what I know.

No, you have a good memory.

That's all I got.

Yeah.

So bad.

Bad here today.

Yeah.

That's right.

We're going to cut most of you out anyway, so don't worry.

Perfect.

English major.

That was something that was.

You feel right at home with the alumni?

Yeah, absolutely.

Well, and to be, you know, maybe not popular these days, but I was an English majo and a women's and gender studies major, creative writing, the poetry.

That's the that's the stuff I really enjoy, but also women's and gender studies major.

That.

And that's where the money comes.

I don' I don't mean this disingenuously when I say this, but like, what was the plan to do with an English major?

Like where do you want to for your.

Mom ask you this question as well?

Oh, I don't know that I had plan, you know, like what?

Yeah.

A lot of growing up.

I thought I'm probably gonna be a teacher.

Yeah, like that would be fun.

And I think that, you know, public service has always been in my heart.

Which is you first get to.

I'm sorry I connected with Pete Durkin to do that campaign.

Involved with the local party.

Met Paula Ross, you know Paula Ross?

Yes.

Got an interview.

They were looking to hire somebody to sort of manage, some of the day to day stuff, and I got interviewed.

The funny part of that intervie is that the folks in the room, all wanted to pick me.

Pete wanted to.

Pick another young woman who.

I think he fell in love with and thought she was great and whatever, and they overruled him.

So I'm so happy about that.

That's like Mark, Luke Ke and, Pete's wife, Polly Pocket.

Taylor Gerken, you know, like that group of folks.

So that's how I got that's how I got involved.

And it just kind of grew from there.

I think politics, government, public service is what this all turned into.

Is that in your DNA from your folks?

What did they do?

Yeah.

My mom worked for the Dayton police.

She, wrote, downtown parking tickets.

There's a name for that.

That I think it's kind jerk.

Yeah, well, yes.

She wasn't loved, so I learned how to be.

Yelled at by the public.

I just like what?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like.

She was a meter maid, you know?

It's like.

Although I think that's, like.

I'm not sure that' the right term anymore.

Right?

Most of your, at least half of your studies at universities later would tell you tha that's not the appropriate term.

That's right.

That's what the women's an gender studies major taught me.

Maybe not, but like what?

So, like, so my mom, public servant, my dad, my dad managed like, auto, parts, plants, a junkyard.

He worked for, the city of Dayton for a time, too.

So.

Yeah.

So, yeah, lots of police in my family, actually.

But trusting police as public service?

Of course it is.

Yeah.

Thinking that that was a really honorable way to help the world.

So, I mean, I grew up attending private schools.

I mean, did you grow up connected to a church or other community service in any way beyond just like public service through employment?

Yeah, I know, I don't know that, you know, we, you know.

Attended attended it.

Sure.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

My dad's side of the family's Catholic.

My mom side is much more non-denominational.

Yeah.

But, you know, I don't know, that church was my big thing.

Yeah.

No, no offense to folks.

That it is, of course but involved in a lot of things.

You know, I wasn' the most popular kid in school.

Going on at the.

Time.

Or the.

Most popular.

It was not.

Oh you said you're not.

I was not.

I woul that would find that, you know.

You know, you just like you.

Grow up.

Yeah.

You're good.

Maybe cooler.

I'm not cool, but, you know.

Yeah.

So.

Yeah.

Cooler.

It was a good time, but I felt I think I felt limited in some ways.

And.

And I wanted to find spread wings.

Yeah.

Spread your wings, I get it.

Yeah.

And Toledo was just the perfect place for that.

So I worked for Gerken, on his campaign.

Yeah.

And then what was your first your first kind of full time public service job?

Working for the city?

Yeah yeah, I worked for the county.

Pete one.

I think he was even he was surprised at that.

And so, the next thing he did it he asked me to be his assistant.

And I didn't expect, I think, working on that campaign, that somehow that would turn into a job.

Right?

I was just too young to think that far ahead.

But, but had a great time for a couple of years working as Pete's assistant.

Worked as the county's, like, public information officer.

For a few years.

Yeah.

The great Recession hit.

That was a tough time for everything.

Worked for Commissione tiene has gotten lost in the act for a time.

Yeah.

And then it evolved into this new thing that the county was creating called the Lucas County Land Bank.

And we're going to do ten our second segment.

But of all those gigs, which one was the most difficult?

The public information.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's just, tongue relenting.

Yeah.

There's, you know, and I think the interesting dynamic of our county commissioners, I know that folks know about this was a time period where, the commissioners were Pete and Tina.

Ben kind of meant folks might remember Ben Carter.

Yeah.

Ben to.

Ben.

Yeah.

That's still one of the greatest heroes.

Like national heroes.

He's got to be making mone off of that video at this point.

I don't know.

Yeah, that most of you bring him on the show.

Yeah, he's right behind the books.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

He's on our show.

That's our That's our February 11th.

Yeah.

Whatever happened to Ben?

Whatever.

That's right.

But sometimes the commissioners just they don't, you know, like, this is public service, but it's also like, sometimes they don't perfectly see eye to eye.

Yeah.

So that was the hardest human beings.

Yeah.

The hardest part in.

This microphone's.

Being asked to say write a speech for Ben.

And then being asked to write a speech for Pete.

Yeah, that was maybe the opposite.

Yeah.

What Ben was saying in the same day.

And, you know, that's just like a tough thing to, to work through.

But I think it worked well.

Yeah, absolutely.

Well I did mention one of my clues, which allowed them to guess that it was you, that you are one of my favorite, movie consumers, which you consume an overwhelming amoun of movies, like.

A sad.

Amount.

So that's why we're.

Very good at.

It.

Yes.

No, not really.

I I've been begging maybe to do a segment.

I have, my own trivia for you.

I asked, the.

It's time for Matt's wacky.

Yeah.

So these are.

These are movie questions that involve either land or banks.

Oh, you're getting it right.

How exciting.

Yes.

Okay, that's not sarcasm.

And it's a wonderful life.

What kind of business does George Bailey run?

He runs a local bank.

He runs a local bank.

Okay, so softball first one.

Right?

Okay.

Which movie features a bank robbery where the robber says I rob banks because that's where the money is.

Bonnie and Clyde.

Bonnie and Clyde.

Good for you.

Did you give him these answers?

I did, absolutely, yeah.

I thought they'd be fun.

And Mary.

For.

An Mary Poppins.

What does a father do for a living?

Oh, you know, I don't love Mary Poppins.

He's a banker.

He's a bank robber.

He's a. Banker.

Okay.

All right.

Gretchen, an English banker?

That's right.

Yeah.

Do you want to show up?

No one likes your sucker.

No one likes your snobbery.

Oh, no.

That's rich.

Animated.

Well, what animated?

A movie features a duck who is famou for swimming in a pile of money.

Also made into a television show.

DuckTales.

DuckTales.

Good fun.

I didn't.

Know that.

Scrooge McDuck.

You're so cute.

Yeah.

All right.

The last one in the Wizard of Oz.

What a valuable item.

Motivated characters to travel across the land.

In which it was.

Realized.

What valuable item.

Ruby slippers?

No, that's what I guess, but incorrect.

The item that I missed, the yellow brick road.

Yeah.

They're self-acclaimed.

It's the Wicked witch's broom.

It's.

How'd, You know what the thin about the recent wicked movies.

They've screwed.

Us.

Up.

They have the old story.

Sure.

Well.

What's your opinion on Matt?

Kill him.

No.

Yeah.

What's your opinion on the perceived or real decline of people going to the movie theaters?

Like, do you enjoy the movie as much streaming them as you do in the movie theater?

And is it about the popcorn?

It's not about the popcorn.

Okay.

For me.

Okay.

But I do love popcorn.

No, I think that there's something really magical I agree.

And I mean the world is so full of distractions and like let me look at my phone because something's telling me to do that.

It's really hard to do that if you're sitting in a dark movie theater and you're just focused on whatever is being presented, and there's just no better experience of that.

It's not like they don't.

They're not shooting them so that you watch them on your phones.

Tell me, do you have a favorite movie experience?

Like, like.

Ever?

Yeah.

I saw Jurassic Park.

Sure.

In some, like we were, I kind of.

I don't like short little vacation to Indiana.

Yeah.

Beautiful.

Indiana.

We went to some, like, theater where there was, like, a million kids, and everybody was, like, screaming and I. Yeah, I don't think I remember the movie much.

But just to see.

The scene that was just, like, really fun.

Yeah.

Do you two have a, favorite movie?

I remember in grade school, they took us out of school to go.

This is like fourt or fifth grade to go see Gandhi.

Yeah.

Oh, the movie Gandhi.

I still remember that.

Like, who starred in that?

Ben.

Kingsley?

He won the Oscar?

Yeah.

Back then.

Yeah, he might.

He was in the bac then.

Kind of was Ben.

Kind of.

Yeah, yeah.

That's who Ben Kingsley.

Yeah, yeah.

I don't know that I have a favorite movie experience, right?

I'm not a big movie theater guy.

I agree with you that, when I watch movies at home, I'm often multitasking, which means I'm not doing either one all that well.

Yeah.

And but when I go to movie theater, I don't do that, but I don't.

I don't go that often.

Like, we'll take the family no to go see occasionally a movie when it comes out.

Okay.

Yeah.

But I'm more of, now it's like, I'll just wait for it to.

Sure.

Wait for it.

What a long and not funny answer.

What's your, Academy Award pick?

Movie for best picture?

Best this year?

Yeah.

Teen movie too.

Yeah.

I'm in.

August 2003.

No.

One battle after.

I New York.

Yeah.

One battlefield is a master.

Is is a masterpiece.

It is so good.

Yes.

Although centers is right up there in centers is very, very, very good to you.

What's the worst worst movie you've ever seen?

Ever walked out of a movie?

Nothing.

But I've never walked out a movie.

I don't thin I've ever walked out of a movie.

I got an embarrassing story about my husband, but I'm not going to tell it here because he's going to be.

Mad about it Yeah.

You're saying that?

Yeah.

You got a whole.

Other set for.

Humiliation.

That's good.

Yeah.

Perfect.

Yeah.

He's our next guest.

Come on out.

Have you anybody seen this movie?

Nothing but trouble.

Sure, if, like Dan Aykroyd and Julia Roberts.

Candy.

No.

Chevy Chase, it's it's like about some.

Are you these three amigos?

No.

I'm not sure.

That's great.

That's not great.

Nothing but trouble is the worst movie.

Although, when I was a kid growing up, we saw earnest.

Scared.

Stupid.

Yes, absolutely.

Yeah.

There's like a troll that gets in someone's bed.

I am still haunted by that troll.

Yeah, in that bed?

Yeah.

Today.

Yeah.

So those are the terrifying.

Yeah.

And there's the earnest.

Sorry.

Your face.

And how did that even become a thing?

I'm good.

How did you get into movies?

I mean, is this was this as a kid?

You guys were watching movies all the time.

Just like a latchkey kid, you know?

Like, I think I just, like.

I think it was just the thing that kept me company.

Yeah.

Oh, like when my brother and I were just at home.

Sure.

School waiting, you know, doing whatever it's like.

It's.

I just like movies.

These two clowns have never seen, any of the Star Wars.

Yeah, I know I heard that.

I surprised I heard that it's very surprising to me not.

Are you surprised?

Like sci fi.

Things.

I am a big Star Trek fan.

So much.

Yes.

Thanks.

Also, my middle name.

Yeah.

Because it's also, I think, Kirk's moments.

Star Trek, he got that from I did not.

Like the Star.

Trek.

Yeah, totally.

All right.

You star Trek.

You know what state?

Tiberius.

Captain Kirk was born in?

Yeah.

Iowa.

South Dakota.

Oh.

Oh, I don't know.

I I've never, no need to be.

Born in.

The, you know, in that character.

Oh, the character I thought it.

Was, I. Why don't you play anyway?

So we spent a lot of time on Star.

Wars is five Star Wars.

It seems to be like a celebration sometimes of fascism and Star Trek.

It's about what the world could be.

Don't put your free bring on us.

If we did better.

People should look at Star Trek because it's always been on th forefront.

Of, oh my goodness.

So I know Matt, Matt threw some trivia questions at you.

Like these.

This once people figure out that you're a big movie buff, does this happen?

Like I've got my sister in law, and her boyfriend are huge movie buffs and I love to play the, like, seven degrees of Kevin Bacon, but I don't use Kevin Bacon, okay?

I just pick, like, two random characters and make them connect.

Make them connect, right?

Yeah, I love trouble.

It's like you know, I need you to connect.

You know, you know, Pee-Wee Herma and you know Chris Rock, right?

And it's like, good luck.

That would be fun.

Yeah, I don't I. Don't look at all of those questions, but, Kevin, we.

Do you participate in any trivia teams?

Do you do do you ever do trivia nights?

Not regularly.

Although we won't waste of a brain.

I'm sorry.

I. Yeah.

This is where you're.

Using it for real work.

No, no, no no.

Land bank team.

We have done trivia.

We always do well on time spelling.

Yeah.

My friend Marsh Fink worked this into her trivia team, and we won the whole.

Oh, my gosh.

$500.

That's great.

A couple of years ago.

So yeah, so pretty.

Good at trivia.

I'm sure you're putting every penny of it.

That's that's worth at least $425 today.

That's right.

Yeah.

All right.

Segment two, we are going to be going, into the land bank specifically, which is I think an unknown, entity, but a just a vital one run incredibly well, by you and team, I want to talk a little bit about your team.

But, man, so great to have you.

But we'll get all the joking stuff out of the way and head back to, the great work that you're doing across the county.

All right we'll do that when we come back.

More with David.

Tiberius.

Man, and the land bank here on our mystery guest version of the 419.

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We're having a fun conversation with our friend David.

Man, Matt's mystery guest.

Matt, you and David got into a bit of a. Bit of.

A rap in the.

Last.

That's right.

Yeah.

I like most, things.

I need to start out with an apology.

David, to get together.

Yeah.

It turns out we are, not friends.

So am I. Apology.

I'll see myself.

Out.

That's right.

Captain Kirk was, in fact, bor in Riverside, Iowa on the show.

So I'm sure we've got a bunch of.

What lesson did you learn from that interaction to.

I don't know.

To never question David.

Yeah, okay.

Fair point.

Okay.

All right.

Speaking of things, except fo when it's not good for my ego.

Yeah.

When you want to literall ask him a question.

Right.

Yeah.

So I think I think you and I probably first me when you were working for Tina.

I think it's when I first met you.

That sounds right.

Yeah, but.

Then I remember you taking over the land bank, and I at that time, had no idea what it is.

Now, all these years later, I still don't know that I really understand what the land bank is there.

How long have you been there?

And what is the land bank?

Yeah, the land has been around for 15 years, and I've been there essentially the whole time.

So, 15 years of good work.

It's crazy.

It is.

No time flies.

The land bank is a couple of things.

But the thing I think people most understand us to be, if you're paying any, any attentio to what we're doing is to help the community make abandoned properties useful again.

We especially 15 years ago, just dealing with a lot of challenges in our neighborhoods of properties that people had walked away from or were underwater in, unable to pay the property taxes or speculating out-of-town speculators who owned properties that they just weren't taking care of.

And the land bank is a tool to hel get control of those properties, figure out ways to make them useful again, and it ranges everything from a vacant lot that might be next to someone' house to land for the Manhattan Marsh Metropark, the, downtown Spitzer Building that Gretchen used to work at the former Saint Anthony's Church in the junction neighborhood.

You know, the whole range of properties that our community might be trying to tackle.

But we have the tools to be the owner and then put that property into the right path as we go forward.

What what happened prior to the land bank?

I mean, these just sat vacant forever.

Yeah, prior to the land bank.

And I thin this is one of the innovations, this was a mode that was borrowed on a Michigan that had been dealing with some of these challenges for a little bit longer than even we had in Ohio.

And prior to the land bank properties might be delinquent on their taxes.

They just go up for a sheriff's sale.

They'd be sold, maybe to somebody who never even visited the property.

Maybe never, never even was here in Toledo or Lucas County.

And then they might realize after what they bought, and then they woul just let the taxes go delinquent and the cycle would just start over again.

So there was no real plan to make a difference, to change the trajectory of what was going on.

And, you know, one of the things that's often said about the land Bank is that we are focuse on those abandoned properties.

We are really about all the other properties around that.

You can talk.

People live.

In the we can talk about the commercial side, certainly, and Spitzer and other big projects that are going on.

But talk a little bit about the cancer really that that abandoned property is on that other on that street.

Yeah.

And what it does t the rest of that neighborhood.

Yeah, absolutely.

It's it's a problem just in th physical environment, you know, you've got a boarded up house that might be attracting like ne'er do wells or animals or all kinds of things.

Well we can talk about animals later, because that's part of the gift I brought.

Okay.

But, and but it's also affecting the values in the neighborhood.

You know, you're living next to an abandoned property.

All of a sudden, your house is worthless.

You might be thinking differently.

About what?

You you might say, I want to sell.

I want to get out of thi neighborhood because it's not.

It's falling apart, and that's just affecting everybody around it.

It's also psychological.

Thank you.

I think it I think it wears people down to feel like nobody is sticking up for them, standing up for the neighborhood, making the kinds of investments that they might see happening in other neighborhoods.

And it's difficult for individuals to find out who owns tha property, how to get it mowed, who are they supposed to call, like date?

If they are the directly next door neighbor to figure out how they can help, even just take care of it or make it look better?

Yeah, it's difficult to all of the different government agencies prior to figure out how to make it any better, how you can help us.

Yeah, real estate is so complex.

You have anybody has bought a house knows you go to that closin and you sign a million pieces.

I can't imagine doing that the 7000 time that the land bank has done it in terms of dealing with property.

But we're experts.

We have a great team of people that I work with, and I'm so proud to work with them who make that happen in a way that the community otherwise is not going to be able to figure out on.

I've got a couple of questions about, the team itself, what it's comprised of, and also how you do your planning.

Do you mind giving us a little bit of insight into both of those things?

Yeah.

Where's my Oh Mighty team?

Yeah, absolutely.

There's ten people that work at the land bank, you know, dealing with thousands of different projects at any given point, you know, all different levels of complexity.

I'm really proud to work with them.

And, we've got lawyers o the team, we've got planners on the team, we've got construction experts on the team, we've got community.

Experts on the team.

And so we're all working together, trying to find partnerships.

But really, we work so much with the community, with the residents, with the neighborhoods, with the other organizations.

You know, again, lots of wor with the Metroparks.

Absolutely.

As Matt knows.

We are we are not able to celebrate one of our crowning achievements, having a park within five miles of every county resident, if it wasn't for the land bank and partnership and the thinking and strateg that you brought to the table.

So, you get the risk of beating us to death?

We could not have that literall would not have happened without, you and your team's expertise.

So the.

We are mediator.

Yeah.

What's true?

Yeah.

We appreciate that.

Planning for us.

Yes.

You know, it evolves as the community evolves.

You know, the the the neighborhood challenges that we're facing in 2026 are not the same ones that we were facing when we got started in 2010.

Back then, I think people would have expected to see a lot of doing a lot of demolition, a lot of properties that just needed to go because there was no other choice.

And we've moved away from a lot of that.

You know, there's still some of that that needs to happen.

But I think that's what people misunderstand sometimes about what we do.

That's not all we do.

What we're focused on right now, planning wise, is to help to create homeownership opportunities.

We are going to be mor and more in a challenge of folks wanting to be homeowners wanting to be in neighborhoods all throughout the community but not necessarily being able to find high quality homes that they can afford.

And we're working with state grants and some other programs to help create those opportunities.

Right now we have 25 house under renovation ourselves right now.

Wow.

We did 25 in the last ten years collectively.

And so we're doing 25 at the same moment.

Right now, 25 is not enough to meet all the challenges, but it's more tha we've ever done to try to help.

That's amazing.

You must be so proud.

Yeah, yeah, that's a lot of work.

It's it's really interesting looking at the.

As a side note the land Bank social media page, especially on Instagram, because they post pictures of the things they find in the house and then the renovated houses.

So it's a it's a fun.

Lots of people like dolls.

Yes.

Creepy doll.

Creepy doll.

Yeah.

Heather from the doll Museum.

Yeah.

It's regrettably closed.

Oh, sure.

You were saying we.

Are the owners.

Now?

Yeah, that's right around the.

Oh, the owners.

The cynic opening up against.

That's right.

You were making the WGN religion.

Your words.

Who are you partnering with to to renovate those houses.

I mean, I was obviously I you're you're not out there with the hammer yourself.

Some of our team is out there with the hardware themselves but we are we we hire a lot of, local contractors to do that work.

We're partnering with Miami Valley habitat for humanity.

We're partnering with Historic South and the.

Sure, we're partnering with, a number of other organizations, partnering with our other local governmen partners to work through that.

We have a couple of homes that we are selling to first time homebuyers with habitat for humanity, and a couple weeks.

So happy for them.

Thank you.

No kidding.

Two houses, in fact, in a neighborhood over, in West Toledo, in the in the neighborhood that are right next door to each other.

So we renovated both of them next door.

Yeah, it's just a fun opportunity to create something that for those folks, this is going to be their permanent home.

Maybe that's it.

And, there's a million things I'm sure you're proud of, but is there a not necessarily an moment, but is there a particular project either when you're first started or that warmed you particularly or keeps you driving at this?

I, I don't have a I don't have a favorite.

There's just so many, so many.

Yeah.

It's a variance.

I, I think that some of the stuff that we've been doing downtown is really great.

Yeah, I think it's sometimes it miss, communicates how much we d in all the other neighborhoods.

There are 80 plus neighborhoods in our community.

Yeah.

And we're doing so much in any one individual.

One of them, they're like some of the home renovations that we've done are just really beautifu when they're finished, you know?

And we can do more than somebody might otherwise be able to do to create somethin that otherwise might not exist.

How many land banks are there in the country?

There are hundreds and hundreds of land banks in the country.

There are 71 in Ohio.

Oh my goodness.

71 counties out of 88 counties in Ohio now have a land bank.

We were the second one to be created when land banks were created.

15 years ago.

Who's the first.

Cuyahoga County?

I never like that one.

I know, right, but I'm curious.

Like now.

Like now they can't watch this.

I can't watch it.

We're losing.

Yeah, we're just slowly.

Which is dead.

Yeah, yeah.

We slowly.

Entertain ourselves from the rest of.

Ohio.

Talk about West Virginia now.

Yeah.

I'm curious about why.

Right.

There's a there's a growing.

And I can't even figure out which side of the aisl is arguing for more government or less government in particular areas.

I can't keep keep up with it.

Yeah, but why?

Why is this a task that the government should be doing right versus a private entity versus, nonprofit versus a don't do it at all?

No, it's a great question, Kevin.

And I think that one of the things that we are is both a public organization and a nonprofit that operates a lot more like the private sector.

I think that's really our innovation.

I think one of the things that people saw is that government alone couldn't answe some of these really complicated real estate challenges that wer popping up for the first time.

And so creating land banks is to create the kinds of public powers and some funding that otherwise is not going to exist, because these are not projects that pay for themselves.

If they were the market would solve them, people would step up and do them and that would be fine.

But thes these projects need investment.

That's going to have to come from the government.

But at the same time, it can't be the kind o stereotypical slow, bureaucratic way of approaching it or we'r never going to get it turned on.

So we are a hybrid, a blend of both.

I think that's wh it makes sense for us to exist, because we can do something differently that didn't exis before.

It's was that move fast.

It's an example of the market following ten, right.

So if you take the four corners, yeah it's going to happen.

You're investing in those buildings.

You're going to renovate those and then assume that the market will follow up.

People will rent those apartments, retail spaces will go in, restaurants will go in.

And so then that's there, the contribution to those spaces after absolutely.

Yeah.

We don't we don't own and operate properties, own properties.

We catalyze a change that can then pick back up in terms of the private sector, in terms of the investment that we need to see.

One of the many ways that I kill time or I try to multitas while I'm, watching movies, is.

I'll be spending time with their.

Family.

That's right.

Rather than spend time in my family.

You know, I'll, I'll look at commercial real estate and just, like, yo know, sort of dream.

Like what?

What could be, right What could I do with that space?

What could you know, what business could go into there?

But I also do the same thing on the, the land bank side, kind of looking at the properties that are available.

Kevin.

Buy a house.

Yeah.

Let's do it.

I have, I have a house.

Yeah, yeah.

And it's a dime.

Another one.

Yeah, yeah.

All right, I've seen it.

You could help him.

Yeah.

You should knock it down.

There.

There were day when I thought about that, too.

You know, I mean, but I think that's.

But that's the reality is that, you know, you've got somebody that, you know, maybe wants to looks at getting into real estate and saying, hey, I want to flip a house or I want to, you know, become a landlord.

I mean, is that something that that can happen through the land bank?

Yeah, 100%.

Yeah, yeah Our website is a great resource.

It is Lucas County Land Bancorp.

Yes.

But.

We make lots of property available, for folks to step up and renovate themselves.

You know, sometimes we're renovating it ourselves and then they're going to buy it with a mortgage, like many of us have already done.

But there's lots of opportunity there.

We list all of our properties with local realtors, because we don't expect peopl to find the land banks website as the first place they're looking at.

So there's always a sign in the front yard.

They're always on Zillow and all of the other sites that you're thinking of, and so you might not know it's a land bank opportunity when you see it.

You might learn that after the fact.

But we have had over 800 homes and commercial properties, renovated by third parties, renovated by partners, and donated by the privat sector and brought back to life.

It's more than anybody else has done about our community in 15 years.

I live in the old West End, and I can tell you that there are blocks that have been, change thanks to the land banks work.

This is probably outside your area, but I'm curious.

I mean, I see.

What's a bonefish.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Good question.

Yeah.

What what is, What's the land bank's role or reason why land Bank is involved?

I see a growing trend in, what's the, the guy who's cleaning up the the vacant lot store.

The.

Store, the block.

Right.

Those kind of, you know, sort of neighborhood heroes that are stepping in to say, I'm going to clean this up.

What?

What's the land bank's role or position on?

Yeah, things like that.

I love that guy.

Yeah.

I think he cleaned up.

I think he cleaned u one of our properties, recently, you know, I mean, like, kind of hard for him not to.

Because we do own any number of things that look pretty abandoned, while they're in transition.

I think it's great stuff.

I think for a while our community sort of was like feelin all the pressure of the economy and was sitting back and saying, we need other people to solve this.

We're not going to solve anything as a community unless we all step up in the right ways.

There is a role for us to play.

There's a rol for other organizations to play, but there is sometimes the space where a guy can show up on his own dime and clean up a property that otherwise looks pretty abandoned.

And that's a great thing, because it means that somebody cares.

Yeah, and we need more of that.

One of the things that people might not know about you, in addition to your, work at the land Bank, is your, your work with elected officials and in Democratic politics.

Okay.

And you're, you are.

You probably won't say this about yourself, but you are a trusted advisor to to elected leaders in this community.

People wanting to run for office.

They turn to you for advice on both what to do and how to respond to things.

And I've seen firsthand your measured, intelligent, common and sense real responses to issues that come up.

I'm wondering how you, throughout your career, have developed those skills.

Do you are you like that at home as well with your husband?

Are you like that with your friend group?

Is it a particular skill as it relates just to solving problems in politics?

How do you how do you come to that personality trait?

Yeah.

That's a good question.

I, I I think I like solving problems.

Maybe that's the engineer piec of this that comes back to it.

I'm very fortunate to have lots of friends and lots of relationship and just be able to participate in what the community really means.

And that includes, you know, elected officials.

That includes politics.

I think sometimes people often see politics as like a game or something that might, you know, like look like a bunch of fighting or a bunch of back and forth.

But it has real consequences.

Yes.

And what I care most about is actually being abl to see positive change happen.

And sometimes that's going t happen from the private sector.

And sometimes that's going to happen from the nonprofit sector and the philanthropic sector.

And sometimes that' going to happen from government.

And it should go well, you know.

And for the most.

Do I give advice to Eugenio, my husband?

I you have to ask.

Yeah.

And we have come on out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right, all right.

It's now one of our favorite times of the show.

It's time for Gretchen's wacky quiz.

How many questions?

Yeah, that's right.

This is a quiz heavy.

So I love so we've got a whole deck of cards I'm gonna ask you for rapid fire questions.

Gretchen's going to ask you for your favorite thing in the region.

And Matt is going to grill you for nine words.

You know, Toledo.

I love these right now.

Nine, nine.

We'll do.

It together.

So I so I love we got a whole deck of cards that Gretchen, brought in, before the first show, that I pull a random card every time.

And I love how much they connect to our guests.

Question number one, legitimately on this card.

Which terrible movie do you love?

Which terrible movie do I love?

Gosh, can't say I gotta say Snowpiercer.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Snowpiercer.

Snowpiercer.

That is not.

Really a terrible movie, but it's.

Matt and I's.

Inside.

Running.

Joke.

Yeah, for a decade.

Yeah.

That's right.

Which game do you play the most on your phone?

The Microsoft Solitaire app.

Interesting.

Which is, like less addictive than all those other, like, Candy crush ones, I think.

Yeah, but yeah.

Justice.

But justice.

What's the time?

Yeah.

Pleas tell me that's less addictive.

When you already identified is the one you play the most.

Yeah, yeah.

It's all.

Relative.

Yeah.

Okay.

That's fair, that's fair.

What's the best advice you've been given?

Stay humble.

Okay.

And this is the hardest one.

What was your first email address?

My first email address was.

A Tiberius.

Prodigy email address.

I, this is pathetic.

This is why I was so cool.

In high school.

Yeah, it was the name.

Of a Star Trek character.

And then my birthday backwards.

It was DeMar 137.

Oh yeah.

Yeah like prodigy or something.

Yeah.

Like what's.

No I'm gonna sign you up for random effects now.

Thank you for that.

What's your.

Number one.

Most favorite best thin about the region Lebanese food.

All right.

You got to go fast.

We got nine, nine words.

Creative, creative, silly, silly.

Lebanese food.

Excited for that.

Exciting, Wonderful.

Wonderful.

Smart, smart.

One more interesting.

One more bonus.

One.

Land bank.

Land back up until one word.

That's the biggest brea in the region, right?

Oh, yeah.

And I got to give you a gift.

This is.

This is our unofficial mascot at the land bank.

This is Gary the groundhog.

Yes.

Your groundhog.

People hate groundhogs Apparently.

We've learned this.

Yes, unfortunately.

Because, you know, like getting that.

Get your.

Foundations.

And some people call us a lot to complain.

We adopted Gary as a positive mascot.

He's humble.

He's so.

He's hardworking.

He never.

Stops He never stops.

Work.

You never.

That' that's our land.

Big philosophy.

So yeah, he.

Smells like a real.

Our whole team was so happy.

This smells like Groundhog Day.

Thank you very much Thank you for coming on, David.

Thank you so much, Matt.

Nice job.

Yes.

Fantastic guest.

I should I should put you on.

I'll put you on my list.

Okay.

Looking forward to.

We'l bring it back.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Welcome back into the 41 a Friday edition just wrapped up a conversation with Mets mystery guest David Mann, and now we're joined by a friend of ours from Tina Bass and Brook.

Tina, thank you for being with us.

Thanks for having me.

What's your role here at MGT?

I am the director of Educational Services.

What does that mean?

It helps.

Educate.

Us.

Yeah, yeah.

So educational services, we focus mainly on reaching parents, teachers and kids.

So through various programing, through PBS kids, through outreach events, through a whole variety of things, we reach out to those groups and really focus in on how education encompasses all three of those groups.

If I have this right and you also have brilliant children yourself, right?

Well, I don't know if I should say that if they were going to listen.

Well, I can say so if you.

Don't mind saying it's like a to brag about.

So you are absolutely a parent, that have educated children to be successes.

Where do they go to school?

My oldest is working on his PhD at UCLA.

Yep.

My middle son is about to graduate from RPI Rensselaer Polytechnic and already has a job.

Yeah, great.

Me and my younges just started his freshman year at Calvin University.

Yeah.

So big wins all the way around.

So you've.

Yeah.

Although you got a couple they're not out yet but big success stories.

You must be very proud.

Yes I am.

Proud.

Now where they PBS kids.

Where did they tune into.

They are a joking.

How you can figure out how old people are when you ask them what thei favorite PBS kids show is?

Yeah.

So I think back, like my oldest loved Dragon Tails, we watched Dragon Tails endlessly.

Yeah.

You know my middle one loved word world.

Yeah, sure.

At that point, and my youngest on kind of watched a whole bunch.

I'm not really sure he had, like, one favorite.

Yeah.

Gretchen, you remember when, talkies came out?

You know, Sesame Street?

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

And Sesame Street's back.

Yes.

And an important show.

But taught us a little bit about the offerings, here.

And things that you're proud of.

So one of the great things and it's tonight actually is our next movie night.

This is really cool.

Yeah.

So quarterly, we offer movie nights for families.

Right now.

I mean, in this economy and in this landscap and everything, offering a safe, free, educationa night out for families is great.

And sometimes it's grandparents taking their grandparents, you know, so the parents can get a date, which is another great, you know, idea all the way around.

But so tonight we have our quarterly movie night and we're premiering a new show.

Actually, PBS kids have been putting out a lot of great new content.

Tonight is Phoebe and Jay kind of that play on PBS?

Sure.

And so there are six year old twins who live with their dad in an apartment building.

Their grandma lives right next door.

And it's all about kind of everyday literacy.

Interesting.

So signs, menus and struck.

Oh, great.

You know, labels on one of the episodes that we're going to show tonight, it talks about a label on, shirt and how to wash it, which, you know.

Which I stored for 40.

Years.

You should learn how to do that.

So you're sure?

But what else have you shown?

I know this isn't your first, movie night.

What els is, what people been enjoying?

Yeah.

So one of the last one, Alma's way.

A Puerto Rican girl who lives in New York City.

Yeah.

We did Weather Hunters, which is a new show.

Al Roker voices the dad, and he created the show.

So it's all about weather issues.

Yeah.

Which my, middle son loves that one, because of the star of the show is the middle child, which.

Never, I'll tell you.

Unsung hero.

Yes, yes.

Yeah.

You must.

Demand.

Yeah.

Yeah, right.

And they're usually the serial killers.

I. Don't know if that's.

Particularly.

Not in this particular PBS kids show.

Right.

That's right, that's right.

That's a fair point.

But it's a full night, though, I know that.

I've heard, the team here talking about kids are kind of running around having a good time.

There's tables and things.

It's a lot going on.

Yeah.

So in the studio here, we offer the show on the big screen so they can watch that.

We have a book that goes along with the theme of the show.

All of the PBS kids are very educational.

They have learning goals and learning standards that they follow.

So we offer a book related to that.

Then we have interactive activities for families to participate in together.

And everybody walks out of here with the book that we read, as well as more activities that they can do at home.

Our sponsor for the evening, Joseph and Judith, kind of, you know, educators firmly believe in families learning together so that that's a very important part that we send home things, that they can continue, that learning at home.

What age group is appropriate?

So a PBS kids show is mostly kind of run from like 3 to 8 generally.

But our movie nights are really all ages.

You know, we have the whole family coming, so we're not going to restrict it to one, you know, one or another.

Even high school kids.

Sure.

Yeah.

You know, still like watching new shows and, and, Being together too.

Yeah.

That's it.

Do you know, how did you get to this position?

Were you an educator?

I was, yeah, yes.

So, I taught for a long time doing various roles, most recently middle school science.

But because of my husband's career, we've moved a lot.

So a little bit of a disjointed career.

But after the pandemic, I started looking for other options of what to do.

And I love public media.

I grew up on public media It was like a dream job for me.

And so in this job came open, I applied, and here I am.

The rest is history Where are you from originally?

Zeeland, Michigan.

That's the western part of it.

Zeeland, in the bedroom community for other parts of Michigan.

What a beautiful.

I, I identify, cities based on like I instantly a hair city and I go back to who is a player in a game that I announced.

That's from that city.

Yeah.

And, this past fall, the goalie for the women's team at Lourdes is from Zeeland, Michigan.

How about that?

And if I find them remembering, I think there was a girls basketball player.

Two more recentl that was from Zeeland as well.

So there's been three people we can always control.

So I've lives there now.

It's two kids right here in Toledo.

Well, my parents still live there, so five.

Oh yeah.

That's right.

Perfect.

How are people taking in the PBS kids programing now?

Do they do they go to YouTube?

Is it a great question?

Television.

What what are you finding?

Where can people find it and where where are people getting it most often.

Yeah.

So traditional TV, we still see that there's, you know, a large portion of the population that still, watch on traditional TV.

We're on all of the other platforms too, you know YouTube TV and all those things.

But there's a lot of streaming.

There's a free app that you can get with PBS kids to watch, and then also to play the educational games that go along with it.

And the games app is great because once you have the game on there you don't need Wi-Fi to play it.

So it's a wonderful game for kids.

I have a six and a three year old.

That's how we consume all sorts of things.

And it they, they love it as kids have been doing for.

So you watch the show and then you do a little game like related to it.

That's so great.

Yeah.

You said you grew up on, public media.

What was you what was your PBS show as a kid?

You know, I watched a lot of Sesame Street.

I watched Mister Rogers, of course.

You know, at all of it.

There's a is there ever a sort of a tickle that you are now part of it?

It's interesting because you learn a lot.

And I think I had some ideas that weren't correct before.

And then you come and learn how to the back part of it.

And when I'm really impressed with is you watch these shows and the producers of the shows pay attention to every single detail of the show.

We get great inside information before these shows come out, and what they're looking at from the, you know, the hairstyles and what's in the background and how they move and what signs are around.

And I mean just every little detail.

I'm so impressed with what PBS kids does and what it's offering to our kids.

Can we talk about CPB versus PBS, just how that, kind of impacts PBS kids and what folks can see locally in terms of changes, their will they see anything?

No.

You know, obviously with CPB closing, and losing funding, we lost a lot of funding from the education standpoint.

We also lost state funding recently.

So we're kind of trying to reimagine some things.

But PBS kids is going strong.

This new show coming out is, you know, testament to the fact that they're committed to continue to make quality programing fo our kids, which is really great and free.

Free programing.

Yeah.

You talked about Mister Rogers.

I grew up on Mister Rogers.

I loved it, tha between that and Sesame Street.

And then my kids got to grow up with Daniel Tiger.

Yeah, and I see that.

You I brought i must be a stuffed animal.

Yes.

So by our guy brought you Danielle.

Hi.

Yes.

Hi.

Tori are now neighbors in the building, so I thought that.

Yeah.

Thank you so much.

I've never seen Daniel Tiger.

What's his story?

Gotta watch on.

So he is a spinof from Mister Rogers Neighborhood and has his own show, Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood.

Every summer at the zoo we do a be My neighbor day off on which we get Daniel Tiger here.

And we work with the zoo and with PNC Group.

Great.

And we provide, you know, resources and educational activities for kids at the zoo as well.

Oh, with Dana.

And when he walks out, let me tell you, he is the preschool rock star.

I, I can attest to that.

Yeah that's right Cheering.

That's just you.

Yeah yeah right.

Yeah.

Right after I get my you know yes.

After your Sunday.

Yes that's right.

You know Tina thank you so much.

If people want more information on PBS kids where can they find it.

You can go to our website dot org.

You can call us You can come to our movie night.

Yes, yes.

Participate.

We have share a story going on right now which is our writing contest.

All kinds of things sign up for our newsletter and you'll find out everything that's going on in the education department.

If movie night is taking place in the studio, we're going to need people to stay off of our set because the last thing I need is for it to realize that we can replace two very.

Easily.

Children and.

Should be Yeah, all of us.

That's right.

Tina, thank you so much.

I appreciate everything you're doing.

And thanks be to a grant.

The best.

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Yeah a little bit of inside baseball.

I didn't realize he was a cinephile, so.

Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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