>> "ALMANAC" IS A PRODUCTION OF TWIN CITIES PBS FOR THE STATIONS OF MINNESOTA PUBLIC TELEVISION ASSOCIATION.

>> ERIC: COMING UP ON "ALMANAC," KAOMI LEE HEADS TO ROCHESTER TO SEE HOW DESTINATION MEDICAL CENTER IS FARING AFTER A DECADE.

OF WORKING ON IT.

WE'LL MEET THE NEWEST MEMBER OF THE ST. PAUL CITY COUNCIL.

ADIA MORRIS HAS AN ESSAY FOR US.

AND MARY LAHAMMER LOOKS AT CONFLICT RESOLUTION IN THE POLITICAL WORLD.

>> Mary: WE'LL CONTINUE TO TRY TO PROVIDE SOLUTIONS, SPECIFICALLY TO CONFLICT, AFTER THE WORST POLITICAL VIOLENCE OUR STATE HAS EVER SEEN.

>> I WILL ASSUME YOUR BEST INTENTIONS.

>> I AM DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

>> Mary: THAT'S COMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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>> ERIC: WE HAVE A FULL SHOW FOR YOU TONIGHT, SO WE'RE GOING TO DIVE RIGHT IN.

CATHY HAS THE NIGHT OFF.

JOINING ME AS CO-HOST TONIGHT, DANA FERGUSON FROM MPR NEWS.

>> DANA: THANKS, ERIC.

WE START TONIGHT WITH NATIONAL POLITICS.

TWO OF THE BIGGEST STORIES IN THE NATION'S CAPITOL TONIGHT: WASHINGTON, D.C., IS SUING THE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AGREED IN COURT LATE FRIDAY THAT D.C. WOULD TAKE BACK CONTROL OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR NOW.

AND PRESIDENT TRUMP AND RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN'S BIG MEETING IN ALASKA.

CAME TO A CLOSE JUST A LITTLE BIT AGO ON FRIDAY EVENING.

DAVID SCHULTZ TEACHES POLITICAL SCIENCE AT HAMLINE UNIVERSITY.

HE'S ALSO AN ADJUNCT LAW PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ST. THOMAS AND HAS SPENT SIGNIFICANT TIME TEACHING IN EASTERN EUROPE.

WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU.

TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS MEETING AND WHAT YOUR TAKE-AWAYS ARE FROM ANNEORAGE.

>> WELL, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THIS IS BILLED AS THE BIG MEETING WHERE TRUMP WANTED A CEASEFIRE, WANTED AN AGREEMENT AND THE MEETING ENDED APPARENTLY EARLY.

IN FACT THE PRESS CONFERENCE OCCURRED WAY EARLIER AND IT WEABDZ REALLY A PRESS CONFERENCE.

PUTIN CAME OUT, SPOKE FOR A WHILE, TALKED ALL ABOUT THIS LONG RELATIONSHIP THE UNITED STATES HAS WITH RUSSIA AND KIND OF WENT ALL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

THEN TRUMP COMES ON, SPEAKS, PRAISES PUTIN, AND THEN THEY END.

AND TRUMP SAYS, WE'VE MADE SOME PROGRESS, BUT IN TERMS OF IS THERE A CEASEFIRE, NO.

IS THERE A INDICATION THAT THERE'S ANY TYPE OF AGREEMENT GOING FORWARD?

NOT REALLY.

TRUMP THEN ALSO SAID I'M GOING TO TALK TO ZELENSKY AND NATO.

>> Eric: EITHER MAN GET A LUG UP?

>> PUTIN CERTAINLY GOT THE LEG UP AT THIS POINT IN SEVERAL WAYS.

HE GETS THE EP PARTICIPATE EAT, LITERAL REP CARPPET TREATMENT.

HE ALSO GETS AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS TO STAND NEW TO TRUMP, INVITED TO U.S.

SOIL.

HE GETS SPONSOR SPEAK FIRST.

THE FACT THAT HE'S TREATED AS ANOTHER SUPERPOWER OR RIVAL AT THIS POINT, HUGE WIN FOR VLADIMIR PUTIN.

>> WHAT DO WE EXPECT WILL COME NEXT.

WILL THERE BE ANOTHER MEETING?

WILL THERE BE SOME INTERACTION WITH UKRAINIAN EFFICIENTS?

>> I DIDN'T GET ANY SENSE IN LISTENING TO THE PRESS CONFERENCE, AND AGAIN, I'M GOING TO CALL IT THE SPEECH.

IT WENT FOR ABOUT 15 MINUTES, THERE'S NO REAL INDICATION THAT THERE'S A NEXT STEP.

NOW, COULD THERE BE?

I DON'T KNOW.

TRUMP SEEMS TO BE HINTING THAT THEY HAVE SOME PLACES TO GO AND SOME TALK.

BUT I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT A FRAMEWORK, FOR PEACE.

I DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT ANYTHING IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS.

WE'RE SPECULATING OF COURSE BUT MY GUESS IS THAT THIS WAS A AGREE TO DISAGREE TYPE OF SUMMIT.

>> Eric: WHAT ABOUT OTHER ISSUES BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTRIES?

I'M THINKING NUCLEAR WEAPONS, SANCTIONS.

PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH TIME TO GET INTO ANY OF THAT STUFF, I SUPPOSE?

>> IT DOES NOT SOUND LIKE THEY GOT NTO ANY THAT STUFF.

BOTH OF THEM WERE KIND OF PRAISING ONE ANOTHER.

I WOULD CALL ALMOST KIND OF LIKE PLATITUDES, YOU KNOW, KIND OF VERY GENERIC TYPE OF STUFF.

BUT I DIDN'T HEAR THEM SAY ANYTHING IN TERMS OF AGREEMENTS ON TRADE, ABOUT SANCTIONS, ABOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS, ABOUT ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING WHATSOEVER.

IT'S POSSIBLE THERE COULD BE SOMETHING COMING.

BUT AGAIN GENERALLY YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF ANNOUNCEMENT OF SOME FRAMEWORK.

AND I DIDN'T HEAR THAT.

>> Dana: TURNING TO ANOTHER BIG STORY TODAY, WE HEAR THAT WASHINGTON, D.C. AND THE NATIONAL GUARD HAVE REACHED SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL NO LONGER CONTROL W.A., D.C.'S POLICE FORCE.

IT'S BEEN A BIG WEEK IN WASHINGTON.

I WONDER IF YOU CAN TALK ABOUT HOW HISTORIC THIS IS.

WHAT IT WAS LIKE FOR THE NATIONAL GUARD TO BE TAKING OVER PUBLIC SAFETY THERE.

>> WELL, IT'S A BIG DEAL.

I MEAN, GENERALLY YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE FEDERAL TROOPS OR MILITARY DOING POLICING FUNCTIONS IN THE UNITED STATES.

AND THAT'S BY LAW, BY THE WAY.

WHAT TRUMP ALSO DID WAS TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE JUST GOING TO DISPLACE.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE OVER FROM D.C., THE POLICING FUNCTION AND WHAT A JUDGE SAID EARLIER TODAY IS THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE UNDER LAW, WASHINGTON, D.C., HAS BROAD, WHAT'S CALLED HOME RULE AUTHORITY TO GOVERN ITSELF INCLUDING POLICE.

AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED VERY, VERY, VERY LATE IN THE DAY IS THAT THE JUDGE BASICALLY SAID TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI, YOU FOLKS HAVE 45 MINUTES.

GO WORK OUT A DEAL.

WE'RE STILL HEARING DETAILS OF IT.

APPEARS TO BE THAT OUTSIDE OF USING FEDERAL OR NATIONAL GUARD OR LET'S SAY IMMIGRATION PURPOSES, AUTHORITY GOES BACK TO WASHINGTON, D.C. FOR ITS POLICING FOR NOW.

>> Eric: I HEARD SOME COMMENTARY THIS WEEK THAT IN A WAY, THIS FORCED THE DEMOCRATS TO LOOK LIKE THEY WERE SOFT ON CRIME AND PRO-CRIMINAL BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT THE NATIONAL GUARD COMING IN WHEN A OT OF AMERICANS THINK IF THERE'S SAFETY PROBLEMS, LET'S BRING IN THE GUARD.

>> MY SUSPICION IS IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY BE DIVIDED.

THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF REPUBLICANS CHEERING IT ON.

WE'RE GOING TO SEE ARDCORE DEMOCRATS SAYING THAT NATIONAL GUARD SHOULDN'T BE IN.

IT'S HARD TO TELL WHO REALLY IS THE WINNER AT THIS POINT AND THE GAME OF POLITICS PERCEPTION SOMETIMES IS AN ISSUE AND MAYBE IT LOOKS LIKE AT THIS POINT THE DEMOCRATS ARE SOFT ON CRIME.

AGAIN, IT'S JUST TOO SOON TO TELL OW THIS PLAYS OUT.

>> Eric: IN OTHER CITIES MAY BE CANDIDATES FOR THIS KIND OF WORK EXCEPT FOR THE LEGAL DECISION THIS AFTERNOON?

>> IT'S A LITTLE BUILT MORE COMPLICATED BECAUSE D.C. IS ACTUALLY FEDERAL TERRITORY UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.

AND IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE STATES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE SEPARATE SOVEREIGN ENTITIES.

AND SO THE ARRANGEMENT, BECAUSE OF FEDERALISM IN THE CONSTITUTION IS DIFFERENT THAN YOU HAVE BETWEEN THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT AND D.C. >> Eric: GETTING THE BELL.

CLASS IS OVER.

>> ALREADY.

>> Eric: DHASKS.

THANKS.

♪ >> ERIC: ON TUESDAY, ST. PAUL VOTERS IN WARD 4 WENT TO THE POLLS FOR A SPECIAL ELECTION AND CHOSE MOLLY COLEMAN TO FILL OUT THE TERM OF FORMER CITY COUNCIL PRESIDENT MITRA JALALI.

COLEMAN WON MORE THAN 50% OF THE VOTE IN A FOUR-WAY RACE.

AND SHE'S CAPPING OFF HER WINNING WEEK BY JOINING US ON "ALMANAC."

WELCOME TO THE SHOW.

WHAT DID YOU HEAR FROM FOLKS AT THE DOOR IN NORTHWESTERN ST. PAUL?

>> WE HEARD A LOT.

I HEARD REPEATEDLY THAT PEOPLE LOVE OUR CITY, THAT THEY ARE VERY PROUD TO LIVE HERE, AND THAT FOLKS ARE FEELING LIKE IT IS A CHALLENGING TIME.

IN THIS MOMENT.

THEY ARE FEELING THE IMPACTS OF RISING PROPERTY TAXES.

IF THEY'RE RENTERS, THEY'RE FEELING THE IMPACTS OF RISING RENTS.

THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FINANCIAL FUTURE OF OUR CITY AND WHETHER WE WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO AFFORD THE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES THAT RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY RELY ON.

>> Dana: SOME OF YOUR CAMPAIGN PRIORITIES DEAL ITH SORT OF THE BREAD AND BUTTER OF CITY GOVERNMENT, YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE TRASH GETS TAKEN OUT, SHOVELING IS DONE.

HOUSING IS AFFORDABLE.

TALK TO US ABOUT HOW YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THAT ONCE YOU GET ONTO THE CITY COUNCIL.

>> DEFINITELY.

SO, YOU KNOW, TO MY MIND, WE NEED TO SHOW THAT GOVERNMENT CAN WORK.

THAT IT CAN MAKE PEOPLE'S LIVES BETTER AND THAT STARTS WITH DOING THE BASICS.

IF YOU SEE THAT GOVERNMENT CAN'T PLOW YOUR STREET, YOU I THINK START TO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT, WELL, WHAT DO WE ACTUALLY WANT GOVERNMENT DOING?

I BELIEVE GOVERNMENT IS PART OF THE SOLUTION.

WE NEED TO PROVE THAT TO PEOPLE.

A LOT OF THAT AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER IS WORKING ON THE OVERSIGHT OF THE BUDGET, MAKING SURE WE ARE FUNDING THOSE PRIORITIES IF WE REALLY BELIEVE THEY ARE PRIORITIES.

EXPRESSING THE CONCERNS OF RESIDENTS OF WARD 4 AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS TRANSLATED INTO HOW OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE ARE RUNNING, WORKING WITH THE MAYOR'S TEAM TO DO THAT.

AND THEN WHERE NEEDED, THINKING ABOUT WHAT ARE THE POLICY CHANGES MIGHT BE NEEDED.

TO BETTER MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR RESIDENTS.

>> Eric: ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING AT SNELLING AND UNIVERSITY?

IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BUSIEST INTERSECTIONS IN THE STATE.

AND THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOME LIGHT RAIL WAS GOING TO HELP.

ALLIANZ STADIUM WAS GOING TO HELP.

ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH HOW IT'S GOING?

>> I AM NOT.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S A SINGLE PERSON IN WARD 4 WHO IS SATISFIED WITH WHAT WE ARE SEEING OR REALLY IN THE LARGER MIDWAY PRACTICE WHERE I LIVE RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DISINVESTMENT.

WE HAVE VACANT BUILDINGS.

WE HAVE NEIGHBORS IN THAT PART OF OUR CITY WHO ARE REALLY DEEPLY STRUGGLING.

SO LEAN INTO THIS SEAT, I'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE THROUGHOUT WARD 4, NOT JUST FOLKS IN MIDWAY, THAT IT HAS TO BE A POP PRIORITY TO BRING THAT INVESTMENT, THAT VITALITY, THAT SUPPORT INTO MIDWAY FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS THERE.

>> Dana: YOU CAME INTO THE RACE WITH SUPPORT FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

DOES THAT HELP YOU CREATE SOME SORT OF SOLUTION FOR THAT AREA OR FOR OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY THAT ARE NOT SEEING THEIR BEST MOMENT RIGHT NOW?

>> I THINK SO.

SO I WAS VERY PROUD OVER THE COURSE OF THE CAMPAIGN TO HAVE SUPPORT FROM THE ST. PAUL AREA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, BUT ALSO FROM LABOR UNIONS, FROM FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY ADVOCATING FOR PROGRESSIVE CHANGE FOR EARS, FROM A WHOLE HOST OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO WILL HAVE TO COME TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS OUR STRATEGY, HOW DO WE DO HARD, COMPLICATED THINGS TOGETHER?

SO I DO THINK THAT THAT IS SORT OF COALITION BUILDING, THAT WE DID OVER THE COURSE OF THE CAMPAIGN, WILL BE ESSENTIAL TO ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK MOVING FORWARD.

AND REALLY MOVING FORWARD, MIDWAY, MOVING FORWARD ALL OF WARD 4 AND ALL OF ST. PAUL.

>> Eric: WHAT IT'S LIKE CARRYING ON THE FAMILY TRADITION?

CHRIS COLE MAN MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL ELECT, IS THAT A BURDEN OR A BENEFIT?

>> IT IS SOMETHING THAT I FEEL VERY LUCKY FOR.

I THINK WE ALL LOOK UP TO OUR PARENTS AND RESPECT THE WORK THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DO, AND SO HAVING BEEN ABLE TO SEE FIRSTHAND THE IMPACT THAT YOU CAN HAVE FOR THE CITY THAT YOU LOVE IF YOU SERVE IN LOCAL OFFICE, IF YOU REALLY DEDICATE YOURSELF TO PUBLIC SERVICE IS SOMETHING I FEEL VERY FORTUNATE FOR.

SO, YEAH, FEEL VERY LUCKY THERE.

>> Dana: SEEING YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS GOING TO THIS LINE F WORK, POLITICS, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ALWAYS KNEW YOU WANTED TO DO?

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.

[ Laughter ] IT WAS AN UNEXPECTED OPENING ON THE COUNCIL.

SO KIND OF A QUICK DECISION TO GET IN.

MY BACKGROUND IS AS A LAWYER.

AS A ADVOCATE.

ORGANIZER.

I THINK THAT THERE ARE MANY, MANY WAYS TO MAKE CHANGE AND TO STRENGTHEN YOUR COMMUNITY TO BUILD THE SYSTEMS THAT WILL MAKE OUR SOCIETY BETTER WORK FOR WORKING PEOPLE.

THIS FELT LIKE THE RIGHT -- THE RIGHT ROLE AT THIS TIME.

>> Eric: WHEN ARE YOU SWORN IN?

>> IT WILL BE AUGUST 27TH.

>> Eric: ALL RIGHT, LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.

APPRECIATE YOU COMING OVER.

BEST OF LUCK.

♪ ♪ >> ADIA: HAVE YOU EVER STOPPED TO THINK ABOUT SOMETHING YOU CAN DO AND REALIZED THAT YOU MAYBE HAVE, LIKE, SUPER POWERS?

I RECENTLY REALIZED THAT I HAVE A SUPER POWER.

I HAVE A BUILT-IN CALENDAR.

COOL, RIGHT?

FOR EXAMPLE: I KNOW THAT IT’S TIME FOR APPLE-PICKING AND CHUNKY SWEATERS AND HOT CIDER BY THE SUDDEN ONSET OF WHAT SOME PEOPLE CALL THE "SEASONAL SPINS."

RANDOM DIZZY SPELL THAT’S NOT CAUSED BY TOO MUCH CAFFEINE OR NOT ENOUGH FOOD?

HEY, IT’S OCTOBER!

AND MORE SPECIFICALLY, LATE OCTOBER.

EH?

ARE MY EYES BURNING AND WATERING EVEN THOUGH THINGS ARE BARELY GREENING UP OUTSIDE?

MUST BE LATE MARCH, SLASH, EARLY APRIL!

DO I WANT TO TEMPORARILY REMOVE THE BACK OF MY THROAT SO THAT I DON’T HAVE TO TOLERATE THAT INTOLERABLE ITCH THAT ACCOMPANIES THIS TIME OF YEAR?

HEY, IT’S MID TO LATE AUGUST!

OOH, CHERRIES!

THE STATE FAIR!

AT THE DOCTOR’S OFFICE, WHEN THEY ASK, "ANY ALLERGIES?"

AND I SAY, "JUST SEASONAL," I WANT TO BRAG ABOUT MY ABILITIES, BUT I KNOW I’D HAVE TO QUALIFY THEM WITH A STATEMENT LIKE, "I KNOW I WON’T BE JOINING THE AVENGERS ANY TIME SOON BECAUSE IT’S ONLY A SUPER POWER IF WE SUDDENLY, COLLECTIVELY, LOSE THE ABILITY TO TELL TIME AND EVERYONE FORGETS WHAT MONTH IT IS, BUT ISN’T THAT A NEAT LITTLE TRICK?"

SO!

IF THE INTERNET GOES DOWN FOREVER AND WE ALL GET AMNESIA, JUST KNOW THAT I’VE GOT YOU COVERED FOR AT LEAST THREE MONTHS OF THE YEAR.

♪ >> ERIC: A RANSOMWARE ATTACK ON THE CITY OF ST. PAUL HAS BROUGHT CYBER-SECURITY BACK INTO FOCUS.

ON MONDAY, MAYOR MELVIN CARTER ANNOUNCED THAT SOME STOLEN DATA FROM THE ATTACK WAS PUBLISHED ONLINE, BUT THE TOTAL SCALE OF THE ATTACK IS STILL UNCLEAR.

JOINING US TO TALK MORE ON CYBER-SECURITY IS A FORMER CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF ST. PAUL AND CURRENT MINNESOTA I.T.

COMMISSIONER, TAREK TOMES.

UPDATE.

HOW WE DOING?

>> WELL, THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Eric: OH, SURE.

>> ON THE SHOW.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SEE RIGHT NOW IS A REALLY EXTRAORDINARY RESPONSE TO A REALLY SIGNIFICANT CYBER CRIME, AND THESE TYPES OF EVENTS ARE CERTAINLY NOT RESTRICTED TO PUBLIC SECTOR.

WE SEE THEM IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR EVERY SINGLE DAY.

THEY DON'T GET QUITE THE SAME NOTORIETY OR THE SAME PUBLICITY AND GENERALLY WE REFER TO THESE TYPES OF THINGS OR ORGANIZATIONS AS REALLY FALLING INTO ONE OF TWO CAMPS.

OR YOU'VE HAD A REALLY SIGNIFICANT CYBER EVENT OR YOU DON'T KNOW YET.

AND REALLY I THINK ST. PAUL'S RESPONSE IN COMBINATION WITH PRIVATE SECTOR PARTNERS, IN COMBINATION WITH FEDERAL PARTNERS, WITH THE NATIONAL GUARD, WITH THIS NATIVE MINNESOTA HAS REALLY BEEN EXTRAORDINARY TO REALLY ENGAGE IN A STRONG RECOVERY EFFORT.

>> Dana: IT SOUNDS LIKE THE ATTACKERS THREATENED THE CITY AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WANT SOME RAN SOME MONEY FROM YOU.

WE HAVE THIS INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT OUT.

BUT THE CITY ECLINED TO GIVE THAT MONEY.

I WONDER IF YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THESE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU'RE SORT OF BEING THREATENED, SOMEONE HAS INFORMATION OF YOURS, HOW DO CITIES OPERATE IN SORT OF A SITUATION LIKE THAT WHERE YOU'RE BEING THREATENED?

>> YOU KNOW, GENERALLY THESE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES FALL INTO TO BROAD CATEGORIES.

EITHER SOMEONE IS INITIATING A CYBER CRIME TO MAKE A STATEMENT, MAYBE A POLITICAL STATEMENT OR THEY'RE DOING IT FOR FINANCIAL MONETARY GAIN, AND THE MONETARY GAIN SIDE OF IT HAS UNFORTUNATELY REALLY GROWN AS TO THE PLACES YOU CAN FIND THE RESOURCES TO TRY TO COMMIT THESE TYPES OF CYBER CRIMES.

AND ONCE YOU BECOME AWARE OF THESE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES, YOU REALLY ENGAGE WITH PROFESSIONALS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, AS WELL AS INCIDENT RESPONSE TEAMS THAT THEN GUIDE YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HOW TO RESPOND TO THE TYPES OF REQUESTS AND WHAT YOUR POSTURE IS TO ACTUALLY RECOVER.

>> Eric: WHEN YOU WERE ON WITH MARY LAHAMMER AND HER SHOW IN MARCH, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF FEDERAL FUNDING AND IT OCCURRED TO ME TODAY THAT THAT FUNDING IS MAYBE BEING HELD UP IN WASHINGTON.

>> THE FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE BILL THAT WAS PASSED A FEW YEARS AGO INITIATED A PROGRAM THAT DISTRIBUTES THOSE FUNDS, $26 MILLION, TO LOCAL ENTITIES, THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

AND THOSE FUNDS HAVE NOT BEEN HELD UP.

CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE PROGRAM.

BUT CERTAINLY THE CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

PUTTING TOGETHER EFFECTIVE DEFENSES AGAINST CYBER ACTIVITIES IS A LITTLE BIT LIKE GROCERY SHOPPING.

YOU DON'T GET TO BUY GROCERIES ONE TIME AND THEN END.

YOU HAVE TO CONTINUALLY INVEST IN THESE SPACES AND WE CERTAINLY ARE HOPEFUL BOTH FROM A FEDERAL LEVEL THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE CRITICALITY OF PROTECTING LOCAL ENTITIES THAT MAY NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES OR THE BUDGET, CAPABILITIES TO PROTECT THEM SEACHES.

>> Eric: WILL ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE HELP?

>> WELL, CERTAINLY WILL HELP.

UNFORTUNATELY, WILL ALSO HELP THE CYBER ACTORS, IF YOU WILL.

AND IT'S NOT NEW N THIS SPACE.

VIGILANCE IS REQUIRED.

YOU NEED PEOPLE OR PROGRAMS, LIKE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AGENTS, TO REALLY MONITOR THESE ENVIRONMENTS 24/7.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T TURN OFF THE MONITORING AT SOME POINT BECAUSE ANY TIME AN ANOMALY IS DETECTED, YOU REALLY NEED TO TAKE SOME KIND OF AN ACTION ON IT.

AND THE BREAKTHROUGHS AND THE INNOVATION THAT'S HAPPENING IN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE SPACE CERTAINLY WILL CONTINUE TO BE A STRONG PART OF TYPES OF TOOLS THAT ORGANIZATIONS PUT IN PLACE TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.

>> Dana: REPUBLICANS IN THE LEGISLATURE HAVE RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL SAFETY OF STATE GOVERNMENT INFORMATION IN THE CAPITAL CITY.

HAS THERE BEEN ANY INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN TARGETED N THIS THREAT OR IN THIS ATTACK?

>> YOU KNOW, I CAN'T GET NTO THE SPECIFICS OF THAT.

BUT I DON'T -- I DON'T BELIEVE THAT CONCERN IS WARRANTED.

CERTAINLY, EVERY PUBLIC SECTOR ENTITY, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, FROM A FEDERAL LEVEL TO A STATE LEVEL TO LOCAL LEVELS, WE TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO SAFEGUARD PEOPLE'S INFORMATION AS REALLY ONE OF OUR MOST SACRED OBLIGATIONS.

AND AS SUCH, WE REALLY DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO INVEST HEAVILY INTO MAKING SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AND CERTAINLY ST. PAUL'S RESPONSE HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY STRONG.

COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS FARE.

>> Eric: YOU'RE IN A GROWTH INDUSTRY.

YOU GOT THAT GOING FOR YOU ANYWAY.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Eric: THANKS VERY MUCH FOR COMING OVER.

>> THANK YOU TH.

>> ERIC: THE STATE’S THIRD-LARGEST CITY, ROCHESTER, IS HOME TO THE NATION’S NUMBER ONE MEDICAL CENTER, MAYO CLINIC.

A MORE THAN $5 BILLION PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP IS REMAKING ROCHESTER.

REPORTER KAOMI LEE WENT TO OLMSTED COUNTY TO FIND OUT HOW THE DESTINATION MEDICAL CENTER INITIATIVE IS GOING, HALFWAY THROUGH.

>> Kaomi: ROCHESTER IS A CITY WITH A NEW SKYLINE.

>> I WAS SERVING IN THE HOUSE.

WHEN MAYO CLINIC APPROACHED.

ALL THE LEGISLATORS THAT WERE RUNNING FOR OFFICE THAT YEAR AND KIND OF GAVE THEM A BRIEFING.

ABOUT THIS CONCEPT.

>> Kaomi: A CONCEPT THAT IS NOW AT THE HALFWAY MARK OF A 20-YEAR PLAN.

DESTINATION MEDICAL CENTER IS THE STATE'S LARGEST PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP TO DATE.

AN INVESTMENT SUPPORTERS SAY WAS NEEDED FOR THE STATE'S LARGEST EMPLOYER.

>> MAYO CLINIC DOES A LOT TO BRING BOTH EMPLOYEES AND MEDICAL PATIENTS TO OUR COMMUNITY.

THE LONGER THEY WERE HERE, RESEARCH SHOWED, THAT THEY WERE HAPPY WITH MAYO, BUT THE LONGER THEY WERE HERE, THEY WERE DISSATISFIED WITH OUR COMMUNITY.

>> Kaomi: IN 2013, STATE LAWMAKERS APPROVED $585 MILLION IN STATE AND LOCAL FUNDING.

THE OUTLAY WAS O LEVERAGE BILLIONS IN PRIVATE INVESTMENT.

>> WE ARE INCREDIBLY FORTUNATE TO HAVE AN INSTITUTION LIKE MAYO IN MINNESOTA.

AND IT'S AN ASSET NOT JUST FOR THE COMMUNITY BUT FOR THE ENTIRE STATE.

>> Kaomi: PAM WHEELYOLK CHAIRS THE SEVEN-MEMBER D.M.C.

CORPORATE BOARD.

THE MAYO CLINIC HAS SPENT A BILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS SO FAR IN A $3.5 BILLION PLEDGE.

IT RECENTLY ANNOUNCED PLANS FOR A $5 BILLION EXPANSION CALLED BOLD, FORWARD, NBOUND, THE LARGEST SINGLE PRIVATE INVESTMENT IN THE STATE.

>> IT IS MULTIPLES OF THE MALL OF AMERICA OR THE VIKINGS STADIUM.

IT IS A HUGE COMMITMENT BY AN ENTITY FOR A PRIVATE INVESTMENT.

>> THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE REQUIRED NEW CONSTRUCTION.

>> Kaomi: DOUG HOTELON IS CHAIR OF FACILITIES AT MAYO CLINIC.

HE SAID THE PLANS INCLUDE A LOGISTICS BUILDING, TWO CLINICAL BUILDINGS AND TWO DOWNTOWN PARKING GARAGES BY 20340.

THE >> NEW TEMPERATURES WILL HAVE BOTH INPATIENT, OUTPATIENT ACTIVITIES, REALLY LOOKING AT A NEIGHBORHOOD CONCEPT FOR HOW WE DESIGN OUR SPACES, HOW WE PROGRAM OUR SPACES.

SO YOU'RE BRINGING ALL THOSE CRITICAL ACTIVITIES TO THE PATIENT.

>> Kaomi: FOR THE FIRST TEN YEARS, THE D.M.C.

HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON 15 LOCKS OF STREETS, SEWERS AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

IT'S ALSO BUILT WITH A HOPE TO BE A COLLABORATIVE BIOTECH AND BIO PHARMA HUB CALLED DISCOVERY SQUARE.

PATRICK SEEN IS CEO AND MEETS ME THERE.

>> A BIG PART OF THE AMBITION AROUND DESTINATION MEDICAL CENTER WAS REALLY TO GROW THE ECONOMY AROUND THIS VERY HEALTH CENTRIC COMMUNITY AND HEALTH CENTRIC CITY.

>> Kaomi: AT DISCOVERY SQUARE, SEEB SAYS THERE ARE NOW MORE THAN 20 COMPANY NOW MORE THAN 20 COMPANIES THERE LIKE REON AN $8 MILLION WET LAB IS PLANNED.

>> WE'RE VERY OPEN TO PARTICIPATING WITH INDUSTRY.

>> SHE IS MEDICAL DIRECTOR FOR RESEARCH INNOVATION AND BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT OF THE BIO LABS EFFORT AT MAY WROA CLINIC.

>> THERE'S A STILL A LOT OF SHELF SPACE IN DISCOVERY SQUARE TOO THAT'S WAITING TO BE CONSTRUCTED.

I THINK WE'RE WAITING TO SEE WHAT ARE THE MARKET NEEDS.

>> WE MAKE A PRODUCT THAT LETS YOU GROW CELLS OUTSIDE THE BODY AND WHEN YOU PUT THEM BACK IN, YOU CAN TREAT A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT DISEASES.

>> ONE COMPANY WITH INTEREST IS MILL CREEK LIFE SCIENCES IT.

WAS ONE OF THE FIRST MAYO SPINOFFS IN 2001.

CEO BILL MEASURE EASH SAYS ROCHESTER'S ECOSYSTEM IS SMALL BUT GROWING.

>> BIWROA TECH IN GENERAL IS GOING TO GET BIGGER.

IS IT GOING TO GET BIGGER HERE?

IT DEFENDS ON WHAT MAYO CAN DO TO SPIN THINGS OUT.

>> Kaomi: HE SAYS FUNDING IS A BIG CHALLENGE.

ANOTHER IS ROCHESTER'S SMALL POOL OF WORKERS.

THAT MEANS COMPANIES ARE FIGHTING FOR THE SAME STAFF OR EVEN POACHING THEM.

HE SAYS D.M.C.

PUTS ON NETWORKING EVENTS FOR COMPANIES TO MEET.

BUT -- >> THERE'S OT A LOT OF COLLABORATION BETWEEN COMPANIES?

IN DOWNTOWN ROCHESTER, CONSTRUCTION IS EVERYWHERE.

I AM STANDING AT THE FUTURE BUS RAPID TRANSIT CORRIDOR.

OFFICIALS SAY IT WILL BE A GAME-CHANGER Q.R.

CODE MOVING PEOPLE DOWNTOWN.

BUT IT'S COME UNDER FIRE, FOR ITS 1 $1 MILLION PRICE TAG.

WHICH THIS EAR BALLOONED TO $35 MILLION MORE.

AND ITS COMPLETION DATE HAS BEEN DELAYED TO 2027.

STILL, D.M.C.

OFFICIALS SAY THERE'S A LOT TO CELEBRATE.

>> WE HAVE ACHIEVED OR OVERACHIEVED IN ALL OF THE METRICS THAT WE SET OUT AROUND CAPITAL INVESTMENT, JOB GROWTH, NEW TAN GENERATION AND IMPROVING THE EXPERIENCE.

>> IN TERMS OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I THINK IT'S GOING REALLY WELL.

YOU SEE THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

YOU SEE SOME OF THE NEW HOTELS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT.

BUT THE PANDEMIC, YOU KNOW, DID BRUISED THE DOWNTOWN QUITE A BIT AND STALLED SOME OF THE MOMENTUM.

>> Kaomi: THE D.M.C.

SAYS IT'S DOUBLED HOUSING.

ONLY 20% ARE AFFORDABLE OR INCOME RESTRICTED.

THE D.M.C.

BOARD JUST APPROVED MILLIONS FOR MORE UNITS.

IT SPENT 48% OF THE PUBLIC DOLLARS SO FAR.

OLMSTED COUNTY SAYS NEW BUILD VALUATIONS IN THE D.M.C.

HAVE INCREASED BY 579 MILLION SINCE 2015.

>> THE HIGH REAL ESTATE VALUATIONS, THEY DON'T ALWAYS MATCH WHAT THE REALITY OF A BUSINESS AND WHAT IT MIGHT COST TO DO BUSINESS DOWNTOWN WITH WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO BRING IN WITH REDUCED FOOT TRAFFIC.

>> ENTREPRENEUR SAMMY LOU OPENED A KOREAN RESTAURANT DOWNTOWN BECAUSE ROCHESTER DIDN'T AVE ONE.

SHE DOES SEE A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN ROCHESTER ONE DAY, BUT A FEW YEARS IN, SHE DOESN'T KNOW HOW LONG SHE CAN LAST.

>> THERE'S NO ONE COMING FOR LUNCH.

EVEN THOUGH THE LUNCH PRICE IS $20, PEOPLE AREN'T COMING, SO MAYBE IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE, SO WE DROP IT TO 15.

>> ARE BUSINESSES STRUGGLING DOWNTOWN?

>> FOR ME MYSELF, I EEL LIKE STRUGGLE.

>> Kaomi: ACCORDING TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF EVENUE, TOTAL CITY PROPERTY TAXES HAVE GONE UP NEARLY 7% ON AVERAGE EACH YEAR SINCE 2013.

BUT VALUATIONS HAVE ALSO GONE UP.

MORE PROPERTIES ARE HIGHER VALUATIONS MEAN INDIVIDUAL TAX BURDENS GO DOWN.

HOWEVER, SOME SAY THAT'S NOT HOW IT EELS.

TAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, LONG-TIME DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNER JOHN KRIEZEL.

>> WHEN D.M.C.

WAS NNOUNCED, IT GENERATED A GOLD RUSH FOR ACQUIRING PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA.

>> Kaomi: HE OWNS A BUILDING IN THE CITY'S HISTORIC DISTRICT.

HE SAYS SINCE 2013, HIS PROPERTY TAXES HAVE GONE UP BY $18,000, ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION, THAT'S ABOUT 13,000, OR A 53% INCREASE.

HOWEVER, HIS PROPERTY VALUATION ALSO INCREASED BY 81%.

HE SAYS HIS INSURANCE SKY-ROCKETED.

FOR OM AND POP STORES, HE SAYS MANY CAN'T AFFORD TO STAY.

>> THE CONSTRUCTION THAT TOOK PLACE FOR D.M.C., WHO WHAT THE MEDICAL COMPLEX REQUIRED PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE.

BUSINESSES LEFT.

THEY EITHER CLOSED THEIR DOORS PERMANENTLY OR MOVED TO WEST CIRCLE DRIVE.

>> Kaomi: THE D.M.C.

AND THE DOWNTOWN ECONOMIC ALLIANCE HAVE SUPPORTED LIVE MUSIC AND STREET FAIRS.

STILL, ENTREPRENEUR CHRIS ARMSTRONG SAYS THE PRECOVID VIBRANCY DOWNTOWN HAS BEEN LOST.

>> THERE HAS TO BE THINGS WE WANT TO COME DOWNTOWN FOR.

MOST OF IT'S SET UP FOR PATIENTS.

IT'S NOT SET UP FOR RESIDENTS.

>> Kaomi: A PROPOSED CITY YOUTH COMPLEX HAS ONLY FANNED THOSE SENTIMENTS.

THE PROJECT HAS COME UNDER FIRE FOR GOING OVER BUDGET.

AN INDOOR FACILITY FOR LOCALS MAY BE SCUTTLED.

HOWEVER, OUTDOOR BALL FIELDS COULD REMAIN.

SOME SAY IT'S FAMILIAR.

>> THE COMMUNITY DOES FEEL LEFT OUT.

THERE'S NO RESOURCES FOR OUR MUSLIM YOUTH.

THERE'S NO TYPE OF -- THERE'S NO TYPE OF EVEN ANY TYPE OF OUTREACH.

>> Kaomi: SOME PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO SOLDIER'S FIELD AND PEACE PLAZA.

BUT A POPULAR YMCA CLOSED AFTER THE PANDEMIC WAS AND WAS SOLD TO AN APARTMENT DEVELOPER.

>> IT DOES REQUIRE A LOT OF RESILIENCE AND CHANGE, AND SO I DON'T DISMISS ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS.

>> Kaomi: CITY ADMINISTRATOR SAYS THE CITY CAN ONLY PROVIDE SERVICES BY TRYING TO GROW THE TAX BASE.

>> THERE IS THAT DYNAMIC TENSION OF NEEDING TO GROW THE COMMUNITY AND NEEDING TO PROVIDE MORE FOR MORE PEOPLE.

♪ ♪ >> DANA: FOR MANY AMERICANS, THE RICH HISTORY OF THEIR FAMILY AND LEGACY OF THEIR ANCESTORS IS A PART OF WHAT THEY LEARNED FROM THEIR PARENTS GROWING UP.

OUR NEXT GUEST DID NOT HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE.

GROWING UP AS A WHITE PERSON ON THE WEST COAST, SHE DIDN'T HAVE MANY FAMILY CONNECTIONS OUTSIDE OF HER PARENTS.

AS AN ADULT, SHE DISCOVERED A VAST FAMILY TREE AND HISTORIC LEGACY THAT LED HER TO, AMONG OTHER PLACES, MINNESOTA.

THAT INCLUDES FOUR GENERATIONS OF LAWYERS, TWO ON EACH SIDE OF THE COLOR LINE.

HER RESEARCH ALSO LED TO, AMONG OTHER PLACES, MINNESOTA WE'RE GOING TO PICK UP THE REST OF THE STORY WITH BARBARA HILYER, AUTHOR OF "LEGACY LOST: PASSING ACROSS THE COLOR LINE."

WELCOME TO MINNESOTA AND TO "ALMANAC."

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE.

GLALD SO YOU HAVE ROOTS IN MINNESOTA AND YOU'RE EXPLORING THEM FOR THE FIRST TIME.

TELL US WHAT YOU FOUND SO FAR.

>> WELL DO NOW KNOW THAT I HAVE ROOTS IN MINNESOTA.

I SPENT MY LIFE NOT KNOWING THAT.

BUT I'VE HAD A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE HERE.

AND I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT THE MOST INTERESTING PART OF IT HAS BEEN FOR ME COMING FROM THE WEST COAST, WHERE MY FAMILY IS WHITE, AND COMING HERE, WHERE I'M CLEARLY ENSCONCED IN A VERY ACCOMPLISHED AFRICAN-AMERICAN FAMILY IS A VERY INTERESTING JOURNEY.

>> Dana: YEAH.

AND NOT JUST MINNESOTA INTERESTING.

>> YES, EXACTLY.

AMERICAN INTERESTING.

[ Laughter ] >> Eric: LET'S GO BACK TO -- YOUR FATHER HAD TO MAKE AN IMPORTANT DECISION ABOUT HIS HERITAGE, I GUESS YOU'D SAY.

AND DID THE DEPRESSION FORMULATE THAT?

>> ELL, I WOULD SAY YES.

MY GRANDFATHER WAS LAWYER HERE.

AND MY FATHER AND MY AUNT GREW UP HERE.

AND AT THAT TIME, MY GRANDFATHER, GAIL PILLSBURY HILYER WAS A VERY ACCOMPLISHED LAWYER, FIRST SECRETARY OF THE NAACP, FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN TO RUN FOR A JUDGE IN 1925.

HE WAS A RISING STAR IN THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY.

BUT THE DEPRESSION RUINED HIS CAREER.

AND THEY -- HE HAD TO LEAVE.

AND HE LEFT AND WENT TO THE EAST COAST WHERE HE BEGAN PASSING AS WHITE IN THE EARLY 1940s.

THE SAME THEN FOR MY FATHER.

MY FATHER MADE THAT DECISION TO LEAVE MINNEAPOLIS.

HE GREW UP HERE, GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL HERE.

LEFT MINNEAPOLIS, JOINED THE MERCHANT MARINES AND STARTED IDENTIFYING AS WHITE.

MOVED TO THE WEST COAST WHERE HE RAISED US AS WHITE.

COMPLETELY CUT FF FROM THE REST OF THE FAMILY.

BUT HIS SISTER, HELENE HAIL, ALSO GREW UP HERE IN MINNEAPOLIS.

GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL, WENT TO HE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA.

COULDN'T FIND WORK HERE.

IN THE 1940s AS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN.

SO SHE LEFT.

AND ENDED UP NOT BEING VERY DISILLUSIONED WITH RACE ON THE MAINLAND AND SHE MOVED TO HAWAII WHERE SHE HAD A STORIED POLITICAL CAREER.

SO THE FAMILY SPLIT ACROSS THE COLOR LINE IN THE '40s WHERE MY DAD ENDED UP ON THE WHITE SIDE AND THAT'S WHERE WE RAISES AND I DIDN'T KNOW ANY OF THIS.

>> Dana: AND YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS LATER ON LIFE SORT OF THE RECENTLY.

HOW DID YOU LEARN ABOUT THIS BIIF YOU ARE OCCASION IN YOUR FAMILY REE?

>> IT'S NOT SO RECENTLY NOW, BUT IT ONLY UNFOLDED OVER TIME.

I ONLY FOUND OUT A LITTLE BIT.

IN 1988, MY STEPMOTHER, MY DAD HAD BEEN DEAD FOR TEN YEARS, MY STEPMOTHER TOLD ME THAT MY FATHER WAS FROM AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN FAMILY IN MINNEAPOLIS AND SHE TOLD ME THAT HE HAD A SISTER WHO WAS STILL ALIVE IN HAWAII.

SO I IMMEDIATELY NEEDED TO GO TO HAWAII TO MEET HIS SISTER.

HELENE HALE AT THE TIME.

SHE'D BEEN ON THE COVER OF EBONY MAGAZINE IN THE 1963.

SHE WAS THE NIECE OF RALE ANTICIPATE BUNCH.

ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH HIM?

OKAY, SO SHE WAS QUITE A PERSONA.

AND SHE WAS VERY WILLING TO BE OPEN WITH ME.

SHE HADN'T TALKED TO MY AD IN 30 YEARS, BUT SHE WAS VERY WILLING TO BE OPEN AND TELL THE FAMILY STORY.

AND SO I ENDED UP BEING IN HER WORLD FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS AND KNOWING WHAT SHE KNEW, AND THEN AFTER HE DIED, I WENT FURTHER TO FIND UT WHERE THIS ALL WENT.

>> Eric: DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU MISSED SOME OF YOUR HERITAGE?

>> THAT'S AN INTERESTING STORY.

I WOULD SAY YES.

BUT I'M GRATEFUL THAT I GOT TO CAPTURE IT IN TIME.

LIKE SOME OF IT I MISSED, I'M SAD THAT I MISSED KNOWING MY GRANDFATHER.

HE'S BURIED IN HAWAII.

AND BECAUSE HE LIVED WITH HER AT THE END OF HIS LIFE.

AND I PUT FLOWERS ON HIS GRAVE EVERY YEAR AND I NEVER MET HIM.

BUT HE WAS ALIVE UNTIL I WAS 24.

SO THAT MAKES ME SAD.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I'M SO GRATEFUL THAT I CAUGHT HELENE WHERE I STILL HAD 25 YEARS WITH HER.

IT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD TO BE SORRY ABOUT THE ONES THAT YOU DIDN'T GET.

>> Dana: HOW DID THIS CHANGE THE WAY THAT YOU IDENTIFY OR LIKE YOU UNDERSTAND YOURSELF.

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND I WISH I HAD A GOOD ANSWER.

[ Laughter ] I TAKE LIFE AS IT COMES.

YOU KNOW?

AND I AM WHO I AM.

I'M A SUM TOTAL OF THE EXPERIENCES THAT I'VE HAD.

AND I HAVE A NATURAL SENSE OF OPTIMISM AND A NATURAL SENSE OF HUMOR.

SO ALL I CAN SAY IS IT'S BEEN A VERY INTERESTING RIDE.

>> Eric: YOU WANT READERS TO COME AWAY WITH WHAT POINT FROM THIS?

>> I WANT THEM TO COME AWAY WITH THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO TELL OUR TRUE STORIES AND HISTORY NEEDS TO INCLUDE EVERYONE'S STORY.

AND WE NEED TO GET BEYOND THIS PART OF OUR PAST WHICH WE'RE NOW REVISITING AGAIN, WHERE WE ISOLATE WHO GETS TO TELL THE STORIES AND WHAT THE TRUTH IS.

WE NEED TO ALL BE OUT THERE AND HEAR EVERYONE'S STORIES.

>> Dana: I UNDERSTAND YOU GOT TO VISIT YOUR DAD'S CHILDHOOD HOME AS PART OF COMING TO MINNESOTA.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT?

WHAT'S THAT BEEN LIKE FOR YOU?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WELL, IT JUST CAME ON A FLUKE.

BRENDAN WAS TOURING ME AROUND, AND I HAD THE ADDRESS OF THE HOUSE.

AND WE DROVE BY IT.

IT'S QUITE A NICE OLD HOME.

AND I JUST DECIDED TO KNOCK TO ON THE DOOR.

SO I KNOCKED ON THE DOOR AND THE WOMAN OPENED THE DOOR AND I SAID MY DAD GREW UP HERE AND SHE SAID, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME?

IN?

SO THAT WAS WONDERFUL.

SHE WENT AND GOT THE DOCUMENTS TO PROVE TO US THAT INDEED THEY HAD LIVED, THIS AFRICAN-AMERICAN FAMILY HAD LIVED IN THIS HOUSE IN A WHITE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE 1920s AND 1930s.

AND THEN I HAD ENOUGH INFORMATION FROM MY AUNT HELENE WHO HAD TOLD ME ABOUT HOW THEY GREW UP IN THEIR HOUSE AND WHERE HEY PLAYED THAT IT TOTALLY MATCHED THAT IT WAS THAT HOUSE.

>> Eric: MINNESOTA NICE LIVES.

>> MINNESOTA NICE IS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> Eric: GIVE US THE NAME OF THE BOOK AND YOU CAN FIND IT ON AMAZON.

>> I DON'T LIKE AMAZON, BUT YOU CAN FIND IT AT MAINERS AND QUINN.

MAJERS AND QUINN.

>> Eric: MOVING INTO SOMETHING LSE.

AFTER THE POLITICAL ASSASSINATION HERE IN MINNESOTA, WE'RE CONTINUING TO LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS WITH THE ORGANIZATION MAJORITY IN THE MIDDLE.

OUR MARY LAHAMMER MODERATED A DISCUSSION ON CONFLICT RESOLUTION WITH SPECIFIC STEPS WE CAN ALL TAKE TO LOWER THE TEMPERATURE IN POLITICS AND MEDIA.

>> MY NAME IS AMANDA RIPLEY AND I AM A JOURNALIST AND THE COFOUNDER OF GOOD CONFLICT AND THE AUTHOR MOST RECENTLY OF HIGH CONFLICT.

>> Mary: RIPLEY MET WITH MINNESOTANS IN A CONVERSATION CONVENED BY "MAJORITY IN THE MIDDLE."

>> I WENT ON A QUEST TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE AND EVEN WHOLE COMMUNITIES GET OUT OF REALLY UGLY CONFLICT.

>> Mary: THE AUTHOR AND JOURNALIST PROVIDES SOLUTIONS TO GET OUT OF UGLY HIGH CONFLICT.

>> IT JUST FELT LIKE WE WERE STUCK AS A COUNTRY.

IN CONFLICTS THAT WEREN'T GOING ANYWHERE.

>> Mary: HERE IN THE STATE, FOLLOWING THE FIRST ASSASSINATION OF A FEMALE POLITICIAN IN AMERICAN HISTORY, WE, TOO, WANTED SOME NEW TOOLS.

JOURNALISM, I FEEL LIKE, I'M TRYING TO TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY AND SPENDING EVEN MORE TIME SHOWING BIPARTISANSHIP, SHOWING LAWMAKERS WORKING TOGETHER, ACROSS THE AISLE, STANDING TOGETHER.

I'M LITERALLY DOING INTERVIEW WITH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS NOW SIDE BY SIDE.

HAVE YOU CHANGED DRAMATIC LOW?

>> I MAKE A BETTER MAR TEENI THAN I DID PRIOR TO JUNE 15TH.

[ Laughter ] >> OKAY, THAT'S A PERFECT ANSWER.

>> NOT DOING PUBLIC EVENTS.

>> Mary: YOU TWO TOGETHER ARE SOMETHING.

WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF US?

>> A LOT OF WHAT WE DO IS TRAIN JOURNALISTS TO COVER CONFLICT IN MORE USEFUL WAYS.

THE MORE EXAMPLES THAT WE CAN SHARE WITH OTHER JOURNALISTS, THE MORE THEY CAN START TO SEE WHAT WE MEAN.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED MOST DESPERATELY IS LIKE EXAMPLES.

>> I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE MEMBERS OF THE PPOSITE PARTY, OPPOSITE CHAMBER, COME TOGETHER.

>> THIS IS A REFLECTION OF OUR DISTRICT.

>> PART OF HOW WE GOT HERE AS A COUNTRY IS FROM THE BEHAVIOR OF POLITICIANS AND JOURNALISTS WHO WERE ACTING AS CONFLICT ENTREPRENEURS.

AND SO PART OF HOW WE HAVE TO GET OUT IS A CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR BY POLITICIANS AND JOURNALISTS AND STORY TELLING AS YOU KNOW, MARY IS THE MOST POWERFUL WAY TO HELP PEOPLE IMAGINE A BETTER FUTURE.

>> WHAT IS IT THAT KEEPS YOU SHOWING UP WHEN SUCCESS IN THIS WORK IS, SHALL WE SAY, FEW AND FAR BETWEEN?

>> THE DAY OF THOSE ASSASSINATIONS WAS A HARD DAY.

IT'S VERY PAINFUL TO WATCH THESE THINGS HAPPEN.

WHAT MOTIVATES ME IS EVERY DAY I ENCOUNTER SO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE SO TIRED OF WHAT WE'D GOT, AND SO EAGER TO DO CONFLICT DIFFERENTLY, WHETHER IT'S POLITICS OR THE NEWS OR SOCIAL MEDIA.

42% OF AMERICANS ARE ACTIVELY AVOIDING CONTENT WITH THE NEWS RIGHT NOW.

IT'S NOT THAT THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.

THAT'S NOT IT.

IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE LAZY OR IGNORANT.

THEY ARE WANTING SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T YET EXIST.

>> Mary: FOR THE WORST ACT OF POLITICAL VIOLENCE IN MODERN HISTORY TO HAPPEN IN THIS STATE THAT WE THOUGHT WAS SUPER SPECIAL, JUST IT HITS EVEN HARDER, OW ENGAGED AND EDUCATED AND SMART OUR VOTERS ARE HERE, BUT HOW DO WE KEEP PEOPLE ENGAGED, AMANDA, EVEN WITH THIL INCREDIBLY SMART ELECTORATE WHO ARE EXHAUSTED.

>> WHAT I HEAR IS A KIND OF GRIEF, KIND OF WARNING, WHAT FEELS LIKE THE IDEA YOU HAD AND SO MANY HAVE HAD ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND THE STATE CONTRASTED WITH WHAT HAS RECENTLY HAPPENED.

AND THAT IS IMPORTANT TO, LIKE, HOLD SPACE FOR, RIGHT?

I THINK WE HAVE TO LET OURSELVES GRIEVE THESE THINGS, AND REMEMBER THAT THOSE THINGS YOU SAID ARE STILL TRUE.

THOSE THINGS -- IT'S NOT ONE OR THE OTHER.

DRAWING ON HE HISTORY OF A COMMUNITY, OF A STATE, DRAWING ON THE VALUES THAT ARE SHARED, EVEN IF SOME OF THEM ARE MORE RHETORIC THAN REALITY IS VERY POWERFUL AND IMPORTANT AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE TO START BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING EVERYBODY SHARES RARTDLESS OF THEIR ARTY.

IN A WAY, YOU KIND OF CAPTURED THE SOLUTION.

>> I WORK WE LOCATED BODIES AROUND THE COUNTRY ON CON -- >> SPANO WAS THE MAYOR OF ST. LOUIS PARK.

>> IN TWUPT, WE DID A STUDY OF THREATS TO LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS.

AND IN IT, 81% OF LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS SAID THAT THEY HAD BEEN HREATENED WITH VIEDGES.

I WAS ONE OF THOSE.

I RECEIVED DEATH THREATS.

WHAT WAS MOST TELLING TO ME AND WASN'T TALKED ABOUT AS MUCH IN THIS REPORT IS THE IMPACT ON FAMILIES.

THE FAMILIES OF ELECTED OFFICIALS.

MY CHILDREN AND WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH AND WHAT OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS GO THROUGH.

I WILL ASSUME YOUR EST INTENTIONS.

THAT IS NOT TO SUGGEST THAT YOU ARE NOT MESSING WITH ME.

YOU MAY BE MESSING WITH ME.

BUT I'M NOT GOING TO START FROM A PLACE THAT AMANDA IS INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO HURT ME.

>> YOU'RE ACTUALLY APPEALING TO PEOPLE'S HIGHEST SELF, RIGHT?

BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NEVER JUST ONE THING, EVEN PEOPLE WHO DO VIOLENT THINGS.

SO YOU'RE APPEALING TO PEOPLE'S HIGHEST SELF, LIKE THE PERSON THEY MOST WANT TO BE REMEMBERED AS.

>> I AM REALLY DRAWING THIS LINE OF JUST CASUAL THREATS OF VIOLENCE AND I AM HEARING IT SO MUCH.

LIKE, I'M SO BOUGHT INTO THIS, LIKE, I AM DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

>> MORE PEOPLE NEED TO SAY OUT LOUD WHETHER IT'S IN CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS OR ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR WHATEVER, I AM REALLY UPSET BY THIS.

LIKE, THIS DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT.

>> DOES -- I'M GOING TO SAY -- RETREATING ALLOW THEN THE HIGH CONFLICT TO CONTINUE?

ARE THERE WAYS TO ADDRESS IT?

>> REASONABLE PEOPLE STOP GOING TO PROTESTS, AND THEY CERTAINLY DON'T LET THEIR KIDS COME AND THEY STOP EVENTUALLY VOTING ...

RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY'RE SCARED AND THAT'S TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT THEY ALSO STOP RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

I MEAN, I THINK ABSOLUTELY, THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE TO COME AT THIS FROM SO MANY DIFFERENT ANGLES AND MAKE IT SAFER, LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY FOR PEOPLE TO BE IN THE ARENA AND THE MORE OF US THAT STAY IN THE ARENA OR FIND WAYS O BE IN THE ARENA SAFELY, THE FEWER PEOPLE WILL LEAVE.

BUT WE ARE DEFINITELY IN A RACE AGAINST TIME.

♪ ♪ >> DANA: PLENTY OF POLITICS NEAR AND FAR FOR US TO CHEW ON TONIGHT WITH THIS WEEK'S VERSION OF THE POLITICAL PANEL.

SO LET'S DIVE RIGHT IN.

DEMOCRATS UP FIRST.

JEFF HAYDEN IS A FORMER STATE SENATOR, NOW LOBBYIST.

ALYSEN NESSE, PARTY LOYALIST AND LOBBYIST.

REPUBLICANS ON THE COUCH TONIGHT: FRITZ KNAAK IS A FORMER STATE SENATOR, NOW AN ATTORNEY IN PRIVATE PRACTICE.

ANNETTE MEEKS IS A FORMER CONGRESSIONAL STAFFER AND A FORMER LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR CANDIDATE, NOW HEADS THE FREEDOM FOUNDATION OF MINNESOTA.

SO, SENATOR, LET'S START WITH YOU.

THERE'S BEEN SOME CONVERSATION RECENTLY ABOUT WHAT THE GOVERNOR'S GOING TO DO AND ANNOUNCEMENT COMING UP.

IT SEEMS LIKE AFTER LABOR DAY.

IS HE IN, IS HE OUT, IS HE DOING SOMETHING ELSE?

>> ALLEY SENATE WERE T A GOLF TOURNAMENT IN MANKATO, BUT THERE WAS LOTS OF TALK.

AND IT WAS ABOUT 50-50 SPLIT.

YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE STATE FAIR AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S AFTER.

I WILL GIVE HIM A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY LIKE THE REST OF US AFTER THE POLITICAL VIOLENCE THAT HAPPENED THIS SUMMER.

I THINK THAT'S WEIGHED HEAVILY ON HIS MIND.

>> Eric: HE WOULD HAVE TO EXPLAIN, I SUPPOSE, TO A LOT OF PEOPLE HOW HE HANDLED COVID AND GEORGE FLOYD AND FRAUD.

AND GREATER MINNESOTA IS NOT FRIENDLY TO HIM OUTSIDE OF SOME OF THE COLLEGE TOWNS.

WHAT'S THE DECK LOOK LIKE FOR HIM?

>> I THINK HE WILL HAVE TO RUN A VERY CONCISE CAMPAIGN IN HENNEPIN AND RAMSEY COUNTY.

LET ME TELL YOU, THE WORDS THEY USED TO DESCRIBE OUR GOVERNOR AND THE TRAJECTORY OF THE STATE CAN'T BE SAID AMONGST POLITE SOCIETY.

PEOPLE ARE REALLY ANGRY.

AND YOU SAW THE JOBS REPORT THAT CAME OUT TODAY.

>> Eric: WE'RE SLOWING DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

>> THERE'S NOT SOME GREAT NEWS ESPECIALLY IN GREATER MINNESOTA.

AND THEY'RE REALLY FRUSTRATED.

THEY DON'T THINK THAT NOT ONLY THE GOVERNOR'S OUT OF TOUCH BUT THEY ALSO THINK THAT THE GOVERNOR DOESN'T CARE.

>> Dana: I WONDER WHO COMES INTO THE FIELD, THOUGH, IF HE DECIDES HE'S NOT GOING TO RUN FOR A THIRD TERM?

>> I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHETHER HE RUNS OR NOT OR LOOKING AT OTHER POLITICAL OFFICES, THE DEMOCRATS WE HAVE SUCH A STRONG BENCH.

WE HAVE FIVE STATEWIDE ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO HAVE SERVED IN PUBLIC OFFICE IN VARIOUS CAPACITIES FOR YEARS AND YEARS.

I KNOW SECRETARY SIMON, ATTORNEY GENERAL ELLISON ARE ALL REALLY WELL SET TO POTENTIALLY LOOK AT RUNNING FOR ANOTHER STATEWIDE OFFICE.

>> Eric: WOULD IT MAKE REPUBLICANS TAKE A MAYBE HIGHER PROFILE REPUBLICANS TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THOSE RACES?

>> OH, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THE GOVERNOR IS SHOWING AN INABILITY TO DO IS RAISE MONEY AND HE CAN ALWAYS, ALWAYS RELY ON WHAT I CALL THE BLUE ZOMBIE VOTE WHICH IS THE METRO AREA TO KIND OF GET THEM THROUGH.

BUT I THINK -- [ Laughter ] WE HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW -- [ Laughter ] BUT, YOU KNOW, THE THING, THOUGH, I THINK THAT E'RE SEEING IS HE'S -- HE LOOKED AT IT.

HE GOT A LOT OF HEAVY PUSHBACK FROM PEOPLE SAYING DON'T DO IT.

AND RIGHT NOW, ALL THE SIGNS INDICATE THAT HE REALLY, I THINK, HAS PROBABLY ALREADY DECIDED.

HE'S NOT GOING TO RUN AGAIN.

HE'S WAITING TO HEAR IF ANYBODY'S GOING TO BEG HIM TO SAY.

YOU KNOW, OH, PLEASE, YOU KNOW, TIM, STAY.

I'M ONE OF THEM, BY THE WAY.

RUN, TIM, RUN.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT HE WOULD PROBABLY BE THE WEAKEST GOVERNOR CANDIDATE THAT THEY COULD HAVE RUN.

THEY DO HAVE A EEP BENCH ON THAT STATE.

THAT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT.

BUT FOR THOSE OF US THAT CAN REMEMBER LIKE WHEN LINCOLN WAS PRESIDENT BACK IN '78, THEY ALSO HAD A DEEP BENCH AND THE REPUBLICANS WITH NEW PEOPLE SWEPT THE SCENE.

>> Eric: YOU USED TO REPRESENT MINNEAPOLIS IN THE SENATE.

I WONDER, THE D.S.A., THE DEMOCRAT SOCIALISTS VERSUS THE OLD ACTIONED DFLERS, IS THAT CAUSING HEARTBURN?

>> YEAH, IT CERTAINLY IS KIND OF AN ISSUE.

IT'S CERTAINLY AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW IN THE MAYORAL RACE IN MINNEAPOLIS.

I THINK IT'S KIND OF SETTING UP THAT WAY.

I THINK THAT ULTIMATELY, THOUGH, LIKE, IF WE'RE GOING TO PROJECT THAT OUT FOR A STATEWIDE RACE, I DON'T THINK THAT THE D.S.A.

IS GOING TO VOTE FOR JULIA COLEMAN OR, YOU KNOW, ZACK -- YOU NEED REALLY GOOD CANDIDATES THAT THE REPUBLICANS HAVE.

THEY'RE STILL GOING TO STAY HOME AND THEY'RE GOING TO STILL VOTE FOR WHOEVER THE DEMOCRATS PUT UP, INCLUDING GOVERNOR WALZ.

>> Eric: WHAT'S THE PROSPECT FOR CANDIDATE RECRUITMENT F INDEED THE GOVERNOR SAYS I'M NOT GOING TO RUN.

>> I THINK THE CANDIDATES WILL COME CRAWLING OUT OF THE WALL ON OUR SIDE, FOR ALL FOUR OF THE OFFICES, BY THE WAY.

I THINK WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING, THOUGH, IS THE INTERPARTY FIGHT THAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN THE DFL RIGHT NOW.

JUST THIS LAST WEEK, WE SAW -- I CAN NAME THREE INCUMBENT D.F.L.

STATE SENATORS THAT HAVE PRIMARY CHALLENGERS FROM THE FAR PROGRESSIVE LEFT THAT HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED AND THERE'S REALLY A PROBLEM.

THERE'S SOME TURMOIL THERE, NO LEADERSHIP.

AND IN THE MEANTIME, WHILE THEIR PARTY'S IN FLAMES, WE HAVE A GOVERNOR WHO'S TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO.

I'LL MAKE A PREDICTION ON "ALMANAC" TONIGHT.

I THINK HE'LL ANNOUNCE RIGHT AFTER THE STATE FAIR.

HE WON'T BE RUNNING AGAIN AND HE'LL LAND SOFTLY AT THE HUMPHREY INSTITUTE.

HENCE THOSE APPOINTMENTS HE MADE THIS WEEK TO THE U OF M BOARD OF REGENTS.

>> Dana: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT PRIMARYING CANDIDATES AND SOME OF THE FRICTION.

>> I HAVE TO PUSH BACK.

OUR PARTY IS NOT IN FLAMES.

PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED.

THE FRUSTRATION THAT PEOPLE IN GREATER MINNESOTA ARE FEELING ARE THE FRUSTRATIONS THAT PEOPLE IN MINNEAPOLIS ARE FEELING.

WE'RE FRUSTRATED WITH THE ECONOMY, WITH THE COST OF THINGS, THINGS THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS DOING, THAT ARE FEELING THE IMPACT NOW.

IT'S OKAY TO HAVE DEBATE AND CHALLENGES TO FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN IN OFFICE FOR A LONG TIME.

IF FORCES HEM TO SHARPEN THEIR SWORDS AS WELL AND THE MAKE SURE IN THEY'RE BEST TO REPRESENT THEIR COMMUNITIES AS THEY CHANGE.

>> I THINK THE OPTICS ON THE WHOLE THING ARE BAD, THOUGH, I THINK WHAT IT DOES IS REINFORCES THIS US VERSUS THEM NOTION THAT PEOPLE HAVE ABOUT MINNEAPOLIS AND HOW COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IT IS AND WHAT A DIFFERENT PLANET IT SEEMS TO BE ON.

AND THOSE KINDS OF DISCUSSIONS AND THOSE KINDS OF DEBATES DON'T HELP WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO MEASURE A POLITICAL PARTY, ESPECIALLY IF THE NOMINATED CANDIDATE ENDS UP BEING THE CANDIDATE.

>> WELL, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A NICE TRY.

I MEAN, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS THE PROBLEM, RIGHT, AND WE'RE GOING TO RUN INTO A MIDTERM AND THAT'S GOING TO BE -- AND THAT NATIONAL POLITICS ALWAYS LEADS.

SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT A GOVERNOR GOING INTO A THIRD THEY WERE IS NOT GOING TO HAVE SOME ISSUES BUT THE AIRWAYS ARE GOING TO BE DOMINATED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP.

PEOPLE FROM MINNEAPOLIS DO GO UP NORTH ALL THE TIME AND THAT'S SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT PEOPLE HAVE.

AND THEY GO TO BOUNDARY WATERS, LAKE COUNTRY.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE GOING ACROSS TO EUROPE OR SOMETHING AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.

SO I THINK THAT AS THIS KIND OF MOVES FORWARD, THE GOVERNOR WILL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION IF HE WANTS TO DO IT.

I WILL SAY THAT THE ONE NAME THAT I THAT I WAS SURPRISED FLOATING AROUND WAS THAT OF SENATOR KLOBUCHAR MAYBE KICKING THE TIRES ABOUT RUNNING.

AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING.

BUT I HEARD IT FROM MORE THAN A COUPLE OF PEOPLE.

SO I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTING?

>> Eric: MARY MORIARTY NOT RUNNING AGAINST?

>> GOOD RIDDANCE.

I'M SEEMPLE.

SHE HAS JUST ABOUT DESTROYED THE COUNTY AND WHAT SHE'S DONE WITH HER -- THE OLICE CATCH ALL OF THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST ARE IANESTHESIAING TERROR ON CERTAIN COMMUNITIES IN MINNEAPOLIS AND SHE LETS THEM GO.

I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYBODY'S GOING TO SHED A TEAR ABOUT HER DEPARTURE.

>> Eric: ALYSEN.

>> I THINK THE MORE ACADEMIC APPROACH IS SHOWING SOME POSITIVE IMPACTS.

CRIME IS VERY -- IS ONE OF THE LOWEST RATES IT'S BEEN IN MINNEAPOLIS.

BUT THERE IS ALSO THE REALITY THAT KIND OF THESE REVOLVING DOOR OF CRIMINALS THAT SHE -- THAT NARRATIVE IS JUST NOT GOING TO LEAVE HER, SO SHE'S READING THE ROOM.

>> Dana: YOU'VE ALL BEEN AROUND THE CAPITOL FOR A WHILE.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A CONVERSATION THIS COMING WEEK ABOUT SECURITY AND SAFETY IN THAT BUILDING.

I WONDER WHAT YOU'RE HOPING TO HEAR FROM THAT AND IF THERE ARE MEASURES THAT CAN BE TAKEN TO MAKE IT A SAFER PLACE.

>> IT'S LONG OVERDUE AND I'M GLAD THEY'RE DOING IT.

BE FULLY TRANSPARENT AND DO IT QUICKLY SO IT'S IN PLACE IN TIME FOR THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

NO ONE SHOULD EVER FEEL UNSAFE AT THEIR PLACE OF WORK AND I THINK ALL 201 LEGISLATORS HAVE SOME SERIOUS DOUBTS ABOUT THE CAPITOL SECURITY AND GOING FORWARD WE NEED TO REASSURE EVERYONE, LOBBYISTS, EVERYONE, IT'S SAFE.

>> YEAH, AND I THINK THE POLITICAL VIOLENCE THAT JUST HAPPENED DIDN'T HAPPEN NECESSARY CAPITOL.

AND THEN WE HAD THIS KIND OF PERSON THAT SNUCK IN.

FRANKLY, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THERE HASN'T REALLY BEEN A LOSS OF INSTANTS IN THE CAPITOL OR EVEN IN BUILDING AROUND THE CAPITOL.

I THINK WE NEED MORE SECURITY BUT I DON'T WANT US TO SHUT PEOPLE, GOOD PEOPLE, THE 4-H FOLKS THE PEOPLE FROM BEMIDJI WITH THEIR OUTFITS AND ON AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT MAKES THE CAPITOL WHAT IT IS AND YOU GET A CHANCE TO HEAR HOMELESS DAY ON THE HIGH SCHOOL, THE DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABLED FOLKS THAT COME AND SEE AND LET YOU KNOW HOW IMPORTANT GOVERNMENT IS TO THEIR LIFE.

I HOPE WE DON'T GO TOO FAR.

>> THE SECURITY ISSUE WITH THE LEGISLATORS, THOUGH, EALLY ISN'T SO MUCH AT THE CAPITOL.

I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

AND A LOT OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT WITH C BUILDINGS AND SO FORTH ARE GOOD.

BUT FRANKLY, IN THESE KINDS OF DISCUSSIONS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR A LOT OF PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS.

YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR SOME OF THE PLAYERS, THE LEGISLATORS, PRESUMABLY, BUT ALSO SECURITY MAKING PLANS AND THE LAST THING THEY WANT TO DO IS TELL SOME POSSIBLE PERPETRATOR WHAT THE PLAN IS.

>> Dana: POTENTIALLY A QUICK SORT OF GUESSING GAME HERE, BUT DO YOU THINK THEY WILL PUT IN PLACE METAL DETECTORS?

>> YEAH, I THINK SO AND I THINK THEY'LL LIMIT ACCESS AND I THINK THAT'S OKAY AS LONG AS PEOPLE FEEL SECURE, BECAUSE I REALLY ENJOYED WHEN I WAS THERE TALKING TO MY CONSTITUENTS.

I HAD MY DOOR OPEN ALL THE TIME.

I HOPE THAT DOESN'T STOP AND CERTAINLY AS A -- >> I'LL GET THE NUMBER WRONG, BUT I THINK WE'RE ONE OF ONLY SEVEN OR EIGHT STATES THAT DOESN'T HAVE MAGS RIGHT THERE.

BAGSSHOULD BE CHECKED.

>> Eric: POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.

MY MOM HAS TURNED 99, HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

I LOVE YOU.

99 AND GOING.

>> Dana: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MADDIE!

>> Eric: THANKS, GUYS.

♪ ♪ >> THE MINNESOTA TAXPAYERS ASSOCIATION RANKS US NOW ON STATE AND LOCAL TAXES PER $1,000 OF PERSONAL INCOME AT 21ST AMONG THE STATES.

IF YOU ERE TO TAKE MY TAX INCREASES, WE'D RANK 11TH.

>> IT'S AMAZING TO ME THAT YOUR FAMILY CREATED A GREAT BUSINESS, CREATED IN FACT ONE OF THE BEST BUSINESSES IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA, NATIONALLY MAYBE AND EVEN INTERNATIONALLY.

AND NOW WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT A TARGET ON THE BACK -- THE TARGET CORPORATION IS YOUR FAMILY'S BUSINESS, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A TARGET ON THE BACK OF EVERY BUSINESS IN THIS STATED.

♪ ♪ >> ERIC: IT’S MINNESOTA HISTORY TIME.

LAST WEEK, WE ASKED YOU ABOUT A MYSTERY PERSON.

DEFINITELY NOT SEEN HERE.

HE OR SHE LIVED AND WENT TO SCHOOL IN THE TWIN CITIES FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME IN 1984.

THIS PERSON WENT ON TO HAVE A VERY SUCCESSFUL CAREER AND IS HONORED IN A HALL OF FAME.

IN 2018, THEY RETURNED TO THE TWIN CITIES AND, WHILE IN TOWN, VISITED THEIR FORMER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

YOUR TASK WAS SIMPLE.

WHO IS THIS MYSTERY PERSON?

THESE NEXT CALLERS MISSED THE MARK.

>> ERIC: NO.

NO.

AND REALLY NO.

FOR THIS WEEK'S RIGHT ANSWER, TAKE IT AWAY, MARK.

>> ERIC: YES, MARK, YOU ARE CORRECT.

THERE'S PEYTON MANNING AND HIS MOM TOURING TANGLEN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN 2018 WHEN HE WAS IN TOWN FOR THE SUPER BOWL.

PEYTON ATTENDED THIRD GRADE THERE WHILE HIS DAD ARCHIE DONNED A VIKINGS UNIFORM THAT SEASON.

QUICK NOTE BEFORE WE GO TONIGHT.

THE GREAT MINNESOTA GET-TOGETHER STARTS NEXT THURSDAY, AND THAT MEANS ONE WEEK FROM TODAY, WE CONTINUE OUR STATE FAIR SHOW TRADITION.

FOR MORE THAN A DECADE, TWIN CITIES PBS AND MPR NEWS HAVE TEAMED UP TO CREATE A SPECIAL STATE FAIR EDITION OF "ALMANAC."

CIRCLE THE DATE ON YOUR CALENDAR.

FRIDAY, AUGUST 22ND.

11:00 A.M.

IN THE MORNING, WE WILL BE AT THE MPR BOOTH AT THE CORNER OF JUDSON AND NELSON, NEAR THE DAIRY BUILDING.

WE'LL BE LIVE ON THE RADIO AND RECORDING THE SHOW FOR TV THAT EVENING ACROSS THE STATE.

SO COME CHECK IT OUT.

WE'VE GOT A GREAT SHOW LINED UP FOR YOU.

THANKS TO DANA FERGUSON FROM MPR NEWS FOR HELPING US OUT TONIGHT.

SHE'LL JOIN MARY LAHAMMER NEXT WEEK AT THE FAIR TO CHAT POLITICS.

WE HAVE JUST ENOUGH TIME LEFT FOR SOME SHOW-ENDING MUSIC FOR YOU FROM THE ARCHIVES.

THIS WEEK IN 2021, GUITARIST PAT DONOHUE JOINED US HERE IN STUDIO "B."

TAKE A LISTEN.

AND WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK AT THE FAIR!

AND BE CAREFUL.

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