
Rep. Smith 'deeply concerned' about legality of boat strikes
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Dem congressman 'deeply concerned' about legality of boat strikes after viewing video
A classified briefing on the Pentagon's strike of an alleged drug boat opened partisan divides over whether the act constituted war crimes. Geoff Bennett discussed more with Democratic Rep. Adam Smith, the ranking member on the House Armed Services Committee. He was among the members of Congress briefed by military leaders.
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Rep. Smith 'deeply concerned' about legality of boat strikes
Clip: 12/4/2025 | 6m 43sVideo has Closed Captions
A classified briefing on the Pentagon's strike of an alleged drug boat opened partisan divides over whether the act constituted war crimes. Geoff Bennett discussed more with Democratic Rep. Adam Smith, the ranking member on the House Armed Services Committee. He was among the members of Congress briefed by military leaders.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorshipGEOFF BENNETT: For more, we turn to# Democratic Congressman Adam Smith,## ranking member of the House# Armed Services Committee.
He## was among the members of Congress briefed# by Admiral Bradley and General Caine today.
Thanks for being with us.
REP.
ADAM SMITH (D-WA): Thanks for# having me.
Appreciate the chance.
GEOFF BENNETT: So let's start with# what you saw in that briefing today.## How would you describe the video of the# September 2 U.S.
strike on that boat?
REP.
ADAM SMITH: Well, it's disturbing to# me, because what we saw, we saw the whole## video from the moment that they identified# the boat to when they did the first strike.
And by the time of the second# strike, you have two survivors## with their shirts off on top of a capsized# boat, that the bow of the boat is above## water.
But there's not much above water.# And they're on top of that boat.
And that## was what the decision was to strike those two# people on that boat.
So it's very disturbing.
Now, the admiral offered an explanation for# why they felt that those two people on that## boat were still -- quote -- "in the fight" at# that point and legitimate targets.
But I have## serious questions about that conclusion.
And I# think we need to do a much deeper investigation.
GEOFF BENNETT: Did Admiral Bradley or# General Caine say anything about the legal## guidance they received from the uniformed# lawyers before ordering the second strike?
REP.
ADAM SMITH: Absolutely.
And there's two layers.. issue, and the problem with all of this is because# their definition of return to the fight was,## they considered it plausible that the# cocaine was still on that boat.
I find## that somewhat questionable as well.
It# was hit by a strike.
It was on fire,## visibly burning for a while, before the# fuel tank separated and then capsized.
Is it possible that there was still cocaine# underneath the part of the boat that was## underwater?
I suppose.
But there was no evidence# of that.
And, also, what does it mean that the## cocaine was still there in terms of these two# people still being a threat and in the fight?
Now, the broader definition is anyone shipping# cocaine in the direction of the United States,## because, keep in mind, they don't# even know that this cocaine was## coming to the U.S.
That makes# them a target for lethal force?
I mean, this is the death penalty for drug# dealing.
Do we want to give the president## of the United States the authority to# kill anyone he deems a drug dealer,## to make him judge, jury, and executioner with# no due process?
Are they really in a fight?
Look, I have worked with a lot of people who# served in Afghanistan and Iraq.
And when they## went into a place, they were in the fight.
People# were shooting at them, trying to blow them up.## That was a definite risk.
We're talking about# two guys on a capsized boat, completely unarmed,## who may or may not still have had cocaine in# the boat that was sinking underneath them.
GEOFF BENNETT: Does what transpired# amount, in your view, to a war crime?
REP.
ADAM SMITH: I am not personally going to## make that conclusion.
I think# it's irresponsible to do that.
War crimes are determined by trials and by# thorough investigation.
So I want to have a## thorough investigation.
I will say this.
Based on# what I have seen, I am deeply concerned about the## legality of the strike.
I'm deeply concerned# about the legality of the entire operation.
And it needs a further investigation# for a possible war crime, absolutely.
GEOFF BENNETT: So what guidance then# would you give to the men and women## in uniform who are under orders to# carry out operations like these?
REP.
ADAM SMITH: Well, at the risk of having# the Justice Department investigate me, and I## did not serve in the military, so I'm not at risk# of being called back and court-martialed, I would## give the same guidance that Senator Mark Kelly# and the other five members gave in that video.
And it's in the UCMJ.
You have a responsibility# to make sure that the orders that you are## given are lawful.
Don't forget that# responsibility.
It's really important,## particularly when you have a secretary of# defense who has contempt for the law on## every level.
His attitude is, the law is an# impediment to him doing what he has to do.
That's not the way the United States of America# is supposed to work.
And if you're working for## this guy, you better be extra careful, because# you know, A, SecDef doesn't care about the law,## and, B, he certainly doesn't have your back,# as was witnessed by the fact that instantly## he said, yes, wasn't my decision, it was his# decision.
I fully support the order he gave.
So it's a very, very dangerous time# to be a service member right now,## given the way the secretary# of defense is behaving.
GEOFF BENNETT: In the time that remains, I want# to switch our focus to the Defense Department## inspector general report concluding that Secretary# Hegseth put U.S.
personnel at risk by sharing## details of planned strikes on Houthi leaders# over the unclassified messaging app Signal.
He told investigators that the messages# weren't classified because they did not## include target names or locations.
How# do you respond to that explanation?
REP.
ADAM SMITH: No, first of all,# that's completely wrong.
That's not## what happened.
He absolutely did say,# this is what we're hitting.
This is## when we're hitting it.
This is who is# hitting it.
That's what he released.
Look, it's not complicated, all right?
Anybody# who's ever had any interaction with classified## information would instantly look at what Secretary# Hegseth did here and say, yes, wrong, shouldn't## have done that.
So it's bad that he did it.
It's# worse that he doesn't see anything wrong with it.
He gets a report that says that he# unnecessarily put service members at## risk, and his conclusion is, oh, completely# exonerated.
Nothing to see here.
No problem.
He's not even going to fix what he did.
GEOFF BENNETT: So what happens now?
President# Trump is standing by Hegseth.
The Republican## chair of the House Intelligence Committee says# he's confident in Hegseth's leadership.
So what,## in your view, does meaningful# accountability look like?
REP.
ADAM SMITH: Yes.
It puts# us in a very difficult position.
And, look, this is a problem with the entire# Trump administration in a variety of different## ways.
President Trump and Secretary# Hegseth have made it perfectly clear## the law doesn't apply to them.
So how do you# use the United States government to enforce## the law with a president and A secretary# of defense who don't believe in the law?
What we're going to do on our part is, we're# going to continue to press for congressional## oversight.
Key to this is, what will the# Republican majority in the House and the## Senate do?
And we want a public hearing.
We want# a public discussion of, what is the justification## for this mission?
What was the justification# for this particular strike on September 2?
So what I'm going to do and a lot of# us in Congress are going to do is,## we're going to keep pushing for that# oversight and for that accountability.
GEOFF BENNETT: Congressman Adam Smith, the top# Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee,## thanks again for your time this evening.
REP.
ADAM SMITH: Thanks for giving me the chance.
GEOFF BENNETT: And the "News Hour" has# reached out to Republican members of the## relevant committees, and we hope# to have them on the program soon.
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