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Yeah, it's.

It's the day for witty banter.

Get to it.

No, but, like, it's that time.

It's the day either.

It's still the time.

That's upset because we both are dressed like professors today in these dress.

You should be upset.

I hang on, I the thing that's keeping me from being dressed like a professor is I don't have the elbow patches.

If I had the elbow patches, I mean, I'm gonna have spray paint some.

It's right.

It's not just the patches.

We're also idiots.

It's a little from college.

I'm also a. Little college.

Myself.

Of course.

Or I also like.

Or the smart.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's how you.

Know, that's that's a that's a big thinker.

Yeah.

You couldn't have picked a larger word to describe.

Or the brain.

Fowler.

Intellectual capacity.

Or something.

Buffalo Bill and.

It was.

Yeah.

We got an exciting show today.

We're going to have Ward sign, and then a couple of the students that are going to be in Joseph and the amazing Technicolor.

That's the only part of the song I know.

That's I mean, that's that's kind of the main part of The.

Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat.

That's that high school performance is going to be this weekend at the Franciscan Center.

It's a phenomenal show.

Their musicals are always just spectacular.

I am.

Alarmed is too strong, but we have taken to quite a musical theme for the 60.

Seven to talk about sports teams.

And in fact.

We are back.

No, we are talking about so much musical theater that I. Feel like by the Chargers.

In the fifth round, we ran a 4640.

He bench press 250 pounds, 225 pounds.

Yeah, we have had a lot of musical content.

Tis the season.

The spring?

Yeah.

They always have musicals in the spring.

I don't even know that in the new our listeners.

They're not always in the spring, but a lot of them are like, Notre Dame does theirs in the fall.

I think Senator Slate is theirs in the fall.

I am.

Yeah.

Okay.

So you should know.

And yes, I should, I should.

Have one and then.

All right.

So we're going to have the cast of Joseph is going to be on.

And then we will have Dean Davis.

Exciting.

And what play is he in.

You know what we're going to find out okay.

I was trying to come up.

With something.

He does sing while he paints though.

That's what I've heard.

That's right.

Mostly profanity.

I am interested in what his soundtrack is.

100%.

For those that don't know, he's a local legend muralist.

A lot of a lot of cool projects he's working on right now.

And he's going to he's going.

To.

He's going to put 100 murals in Toledo over the next couple of years.

To put 100 miles within five miles of every Lucas County.

He's going to heal one up the Metroparks.

That's right.

All he's got to do is put a couple of murals inside every Metropark, and he's already.

A guy.

You don't even have to figure out the mileage.

And then and then and then Kathy Commencé.

Yeah, our favorite.

GT is going to join us and talk about some of the cool things happening this summer with PBS kids.

Sorry about that, guys.

So all right, it's now time.

Are we going?

Lessons.

No wrong time.

Sorry.

No, no.

Let's take a look at our community calendar driven by.

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What have we got going on?

We have so much going on this weekend.

First event number one on the list is the mix.

Big deal.

This coming Friday night, May 1st.

This is to benefit the Arts Commission.

We've had our friend Molly Luke on the show who's the chair this year, as well as Kyle from Haffner.

I'm on the board of the Arts Commission.

Our friend who makes this calendar little favoritism maybe is also on the board, but it's it's really just a great party.

It's our largest fundraiser of the year.

You can get tickets for that at Arts Commission.

The cool thing is that this year, the event is going to be at our new building, which is right across from the library, so people can get a chance to see what that's all about.

So tickets are available.

Second event Tattoo Fest Toledo.

Matt, are you going to be modeling at Tattoo Fest.

To the modeling is strong.

I will be standing outside uninvited.

That's right.

Okay.

Glass City Center May 1st.

Through the third, you can get a tattoo.

They're going to do live demonstrations.

You can win prizes.

There's contests, there's speakers.

It's apparently quite a big event.

The list of tattoo artists that are coming to this is insane.

How do you know that?

I mean, just like.

The internet.

You know, research, show prep, you know what kind of a thing that we do?

No, no, no.

But I went through looking like.

I mean, I'm not.

I don't have a tattoo, I. Not yet.

That's right.

I could go.

And get a live demo this weekend.

That's right.

Did you get the.

We should tattoo dress?

That's interesting.

On our forehead.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's right.

If you had to get a tattoo.

It has.

One, I have.

One, you have one?

Yeah, I just have one in my dad's signature and my wrist.

Oh, there you go.

But just one.

Because I can never think of anything, you know?

What's the thing that you want permanently?

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, but this logo might be one.

That'd be a good idea, Matt.

Yeah, sure.

I'm going to.

Get it.

Can do it.

Let's do it.

Let's do a contest if we raise enough money.

Gretchen.

That tattoo, our logo.

Great idea.

Okay.

Yeah.

I would do that.

$75 gets.

What's that?

We have to raise at least $100.

I'll.

I'll pay it right now.

Me too.

Done.

Yeah.

All right.

Next.

Next event.

Claire's day is Saturday, May 2nd at the main branch library.

This is the 25th anniversary of this organization and this event.

It's all about reading.

It's the benefit read for literacy.

It was organized by the family of Claire Rubini.

It's all day on Saturday.

They're going to have give awards for kids that have have improved, had struggled with their reading and improve their reading, all kinds of book related events and contests and fun things.

It's a really cool event, really.

Brad and Julie Rubini are just fantastic people that have done a wonderful job sort of building this.

And then just in the last couple, I'll say a few years.

But the reality is anything post-Covid, I mean, that could be ten, 15 years that they've been partnering with Reed for literacy on this really.

Totally free event to come out.

And yeah, so, so this weekend at the main library and then at the end of May, it's in Maumee.

Oh, great.

At their library.

So they do two different ones and opportunities for students to get celebrated for improving their reading.

More information is available at obviously at Toledo.

Com Cinco de Mayo.

It's coming up.

It's coming up at the celebration at the zoo.

Is this.

What day is Cinco de Mayo?

May 5th.

What day is the celebration of Cinco de Mayo?

May 3rd.

Okay.

Just so you don't get confused, Matt.

That's fine.

Because it's the weekend, May 3rd, 11 to 3 at the Toledo Zoo.

All kinds of fun things.

Activities, the local folklore folk dancing troupe from Believe Center is going to be there.

All kinds of fun things to do.

So and then the last event on the list walk.

Yep, it's Glass City Metropark, Sunday, May 3rd.

You can sign up.

You can register still raise funds for that.

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It should be a pretty nice weather weekend for all this stuff too.

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We're going to talk about another cool event coming up this weekend with our friend Dean Davis.

All right.

You are.

I know you are such a modest and humble person, but you are an absolute rock star.

Well, thank.

You for that.

That's a motto.

I know that to anybody.

That's a. Matt would never say something like that to me as our friendship grows.

That's right.

So, Dean, if folks don't know you are a mural artist and have done a number of murals.

What are some of the murals that you've done that people might recognize around town?

You know, that was it was you know, it was weird.

I was looking back on time, you know, with this just the, the, the whole 26 year that we're in right now.

And, you know, five years ago I was just working on the railroad and just kind of suffering through that kind of like extent of life.

And I just happened to want to be on part of the silo project.

So the largest mural in the nation, I just wanted to be part of it.

And I found myself kind of just kind of like kind of spearheading that project with them.

And it was really amazing just to be part of that team of artists.

But they they seen something that I could do really well.

Like, I like doing murals.

I think it's the public facing element that murals have over other art is to me, it's such a servant leadership element of life.

But.

Some, if not most, know that part.

But but let's back up a little bit.

You've always been an artist.

You've always drawn what is the where did this start?

Not frequently to people jump from railroad.

Yeah that's a. That's a wild spectrum right there.

Right.

It was I was in Quantum Leap as what it was.

There was an old movie in the 90s that I'm.

Actually part of that show.

I am that.

Guy, Scott Bakula.

Yeah.

Yeah, I am that guy.

So I'm in this.

Moment right now.

I've got some bad news for you.

It's not doing so good.

Yeah.

I'm gonna try to flip again.

Right?

No.

You know, I always got into art.

In second grade, I kind of discovered this thing that I really loved.

And then I put a lot of hours into trying to, like, mold it and explore it.

And I think that that's what good artists do as they explore this craft they have in this ability they have.

But I do think that creativity.

Did you ask good artists what they did it?

I, I haven't.

Met any of that.

I was going to say.

That's.

My humbleness.

I said, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was on an airplane and I thought I saw.

This guy.

Yeah.

You know, it's it's such a weird thing, though.

I think creativity is in us as in everybody.

Right?

We all kind of hold some sort of something to kind of like, give the world, you know, and elaborate on something that's in our mind.

So, you know, with me, I've explored like metal, you know, I've explored wood, I've explored glass and all these different facets tattooing.

I know we got this big thing coming to Toledo and look at what the tattoo industry has done.

So we evolve these different forms of art throughout time.

And I think that's what same thing with murals, right?

Like ten years ago, we wouldn't be able to put these murals on these spaces, right?

Like, there's no way that public art would have been in such a dominant field.

Well, I'll tell you that my favorite piece of art you've ever done is taken from one of my other favorite local artists.

James Dickerson took a picture of Lucy killing my daughter.

It's my favorite picture of her.

Lucy passed and I met Dean, but he did a painting of her and we connected.

Yeah, and I called Dean to thank him.

It still hangs on my wall today.

Just my the photo that James took and your painting are certainly my favorite possessions, possessions that I've had in my entire life.

Thank you for that.

Thank you for that.

For those of you who also don't know, and for those in radio, I am tattooed.

That is the result of a conversation I had with you about thinking about a tattoo.

And I don't know if you remember this, but you said, well, what do you think about doing?

I was like, I don't know.

That was a kind of a bad place.

And I was like, I just want to have my whole arm be black.

And he was like.

Maybe not.

Yeah.

Dean was like, well, why don't we meet or don't we talk about what Lucy meant to you and things that that she was into.

So he designed and did my tattoo.

So art, as we all know, it is many things to many people.

Most importantly, it is truly in the eyes of the holder.

So the t that from a personal story in in a lifetime of gratitude for which I owe you, as does my family, you are changing the landscape of our town for the eyes of hundreds and thousands now.

So talk to us about when you look downtown, or when you look at buildings that are in disrepair.

You see something different than other people see, you're truly an artist.

So talk to me about what you see downtown in the opportunity to change what we're looking at for generations to come.

Well, I think the Arts Commission is an amazing job so far.

I mean, we've we've gone with this amazing organization for over 40 years in the city that's put huge, huge pieces of public art up in ways that have just already demonstrated what public art should do for communities.

Do you have a favorite piece of public art?

That's that's not your own.

That kind of gets in?

No, I mean, honestly, something you drive by, you know, just a favorite people use.

You know, the sculpture, you know, catalog that the Arts Commission has is is really spectacular.

But I love the huge rabbit that lives over by the art museum.

Yeah, that's that's probably one of my favorites.

I think it's something that's really special.

Go ahead.

Pardon me.

No, no.

When it when it comes down to some of the boundaries that we live in, public facing or private facing properties is usually one of the first things I see, because there are restrictions that these, you know, organizations have in regards to what kind of funding can go where.

And I've learned that in the last three years.

Right.

And I've learned that through calluses and saying, why is this?

But then I take enough nerve to say, well, let's figure out why and see if we can work something out.

And so I see just Toledo's this frontier city, right.

I think that we have so much opportunity, and I think we're at that cusp of, like, changing the city for good.

Right?

We really are.

And I think it starts with art, I really do.

I think that it starts with art.

I think it starts with taking care of the properties that we have.

And this is just another development of maintenance is all it really is.

I mean, if you really break down, I think that's an easy way to have an objective conversation.

Are we just maintenance these properties?

Yeah, that's exactly what we're doing.

How are we doing it though.

And that becomes more subjective conversation.

But right now you know the field that we're looking at 20 properties.

And for this first year these are all properties you might not even recognize because they look like crap right.

They do.

These walls have been broke down.

They've the property owner hasn't maintained them, you know, I mean.

You can do for these two while you're here to make them look better.

I think the patch idea on the elbow is where I'm going to start.

I think that yeah, that right there.

Right now they are just detailed.

Yeah.

That's the pepper on the steak.

For sure.

Yeah yeah yeah.

And you're at stake in shape.

Yeah.

So there's only so much seasoning you can.

I know you're good people.

Let's talk about.

The, the.

The practicality of of putting this paint on the wall.

The thing that I wonder about is you must not be afraid of heights.

That's number one.

I'm terrified.

Really terrified of heights.

I will be honest with you.

When I did the silo project, I was three days before that project and I was in this imposter syndrome mode.

I was like, oh my God, this is going to be it.

I'm going to I'm going to expose myself what's going to happen?

And sure enough, on the third day of that, it was just beautiful weather.

And I just said, screw it, let's go up to the top of this thing.

And do you use something different?

Do you use a different device for every sort of wall?

Is it always a lift?

Are you harnessed into something?

No.

Your harness and safety is my biggest priority.

Yes.

I don't care what it is.

I always examine the ground where I'm around.

You know, I take this very, very seriously so that I can have as much comfort up in the lift as I possibly can.

You know, there's there's a lot of these areas that you're putting these murals on the refineries, there are areas that have already put so much like safety sensitive elements into play, and you've got to obey everything that they tell you.

So that's.

Duality of because there are certainly areas like refineries that have like federal restrictions to them.

But you are having a navigate ground that people have forgotten or left behind as well.

So the one side of the coin is rules and regulations.

The other side is truly frontier land.

It really is.

And but safety is is a common right.

You can be safe on both of those and hold the same standards as it would be on a refinery, as it would be behind the Davis building, where it's just a parking lot.

Right?

The other thing that's so interesting to me, especially because so many of these murals are so large scale.

I mean, you talk about the silo just absolutely huge, but you're just a person on this device and you're painting so close.

How how do you know?

Yeah.

How do you scale it?

Are you constantly getting up and then walking a yard back to look.

At it on the sandpiper?

Yeah.

Yeah.

The I think the first one that I kind of realized that you can your I will just recalibrate itself on scaling.

At least mine does.

I don't know why, but it does.

But and I've heard people have that problem.

Right.

Like they're like what is the I can't understand like, this is supposed to be like a big and you're making it that big.

But the truth is, is, is if for some reason my mind just recalibrated it and it just kind of like.

Seems I saw it.

I've been talking technology.

I saw a photo that you had posted on social media, I think, with a student who was wearing.

Oh, the headset.

Now that's where that's where technology's coming in.

So, you know, when we when we did the when we did the silo project, the project was done with an old school method, right.

We used the gridding method.

And then we kind of just a little bit of technology to kind of get a drone shot to overlay some imagery to, to kind of connect the dots.

Now I use VR, and there's an argument in the mural community that says, oh, that's cheating.

And I go, well, if you can do the job better and more efficient and keep the pace that you're more natural with, there's nothing cheating about that, right?

The project that we're on right now at the Glass City Veterans Bridge Project, you know, I had to you had to break it down, right?

You still have to be a little bit more.

You got to come up with a new game plan every time you approach these things.

But the truth is, is, you know, the soldier itself was done with a VR headset.

I want to talk a little bit.

Can you go in a little bit more detail of that project you're currently working on, the Veterans Bridge.

What is all going on that that canvas, if you will.

So two years ago I approached Odot and said, hey, you know, I really think that we could do something really cool with this.

That's a flexible, nimble group.

Oh yeah.

They I got to tell you, they, I was I was expecting big nose.

Right.

Like I was expecting laughs actually.

You know I thought that they would.

Just laugh since 1971.

I thought they would chuckle me right out of the conversation.

Yeah.

But they were actually really open minded.

So they they pushed it down to Columbus.

And Columbus said, you know what?

I'll do a pilot project with this and we'll see how it shakes.

So thank God I was just in that right moment for that.

So with that project, I think the Glass City Veterans bridge the symbolism of the veteran community and an opportunity to capitalize on the green space when they built that bridge underneath it that was already in the works.

What's going on the bridge.

So it's going to have a soldier from every conflict, both man and woman from that conflict, and then show the actual representatives from our kind of like the sum total of how many people came from Lucas County to that.

So it's really, really important to me to express that.

And it'll become the largest veterans mural project in the entire world.

Are you a veteran?

Yes, yes, yes, I was in the Navy and it was it was what I needed, right.

From an artist standpoint, that's the most polarized thing you could do.

You could say, you know, being an artist, you're all free spirit and this.

But I went to the Navy because I felt like I, I needed a change in the direction I was going.

And I think that as a kid that's hovering around 18 years old, that's just just feral.

And I mean, I could use that.

That was that was exactly how I was.

I said, I need to do what's the most opposite thing I can do right now.

And that was to go into the Navy.

We're we're talking with Dean Davis, muralist tonight, Thursday, April 30th from 5 to 7.

100 works of Art one.

Bold vision is an event at Toledo.

Pickle.

What?

What's happening tonight?

So that's our fundraiser.

That's our.

We're we're.

Looking for people to invest into this project.

Right.

But it's also an educational component.

You know, we're going to outline to the community what projects we're bringing to them and hearing their feedback.

You know, and I think that that's a great way to do it.

But also this isn't a taxpayer money, right.

Like this wasn't somebody that, you know, we're looking for, you know, all the kind of investments to to keep this thing growing.

But we're doing it at a cost point that's actually much cheaper than people would expect.

I would tell you, and this isn't really a criticism on other artists, but if Dean tells you something is going to be done for $100 on Thursday, this can be done usually on Wednesday for exactly that amount, if not less.

And that isn't again, to undercut or generalize anyone else, but.

Thank.

You for that.

Well, no, thank you for that.

We've worked together.

I just can't I can't believe the pace with I mean, I feel like you say you're Scott Bakula, right?

I mean, I think that that makes sense.

You said you were Scott Batchelor.

Well, it's my Amish community.

I actually just bring Amish people on this out with me, and they work for free.

Yeah, that's right, I live they live on my property.

We've got we've got a lot of downloads in the Amish community.

You know.

It's fair to say this right now.

That's our target market.

I mean, when you when you I mean, you set out to do 100 murals over the next five years.

I think 5 to 7 years, you got to make it a tough to kind of like, work hard on, right?

I mean, is that optimistic?

Absolutely.

I think it's it's it's going to be a tough to do.

I think we've got help in the artists community.

It's not just me painting these murals.

Right.

This is this is an opportunity for local artists.

I think it's one of the first times in Toledo's history that we're guaranteed a community, guaranteed work in the art department, right?

Like that they can.

Creativity can stay here, and they can actually do these projects and keep them maintained.

Right.

Like that's another big thing.

Me is the maintenance on this stuff has to be more proactive.

How soon do you have to go back.

And and.

That's a great question.

Every project that gets done the next year, it gets graded.

And if it falls underneath a B it immediately goes into the cycle of simple maintenance.

So if you're used to hit just maybe you're just doing an hour on it, right?

Just to clean up some effects.

You guys just write this down.

You know that's the that's the big win right there is to stay on top of it.

So in ten years when you're handing it off to the next generation, it's already such a strong standpoint.

Give me a letter grade for these two.

A plus.

Oh you're talking to me.

Yeah.

Dean, if people want more information on your your drive for 100 murals or more information on the event tonight, where can I find it?

Please swing by the Toledo pick on Thursday if you guys are available.

But the River Gallery Foundation, our website has everything outlined in Constantly Evolving.

Awesome.

Dean Davis.

Thank you so much for joining us.

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One of my favorite high school productions is Saint Francis.

Every year you guys do such an incredible job.

We're joined now by the cast.

The lead of the show, Ethan Tuck, Nazi stage manager Carson Crandall.

And the director Ward enzyme from Saint Francis.

Gentlemen, thank you so much for being here.

Thanks for having us.

Yeah, either we're going to start with you.

You are?

Joseph, what is the story of Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat?

I get asked this question quite a lot.

So?

So before the show came on, you were asked.

He's.

He's been asked his whole life.

Amazing.

So Joseph is the favorite of his 12 brother brothers total.

And because he's his dad's favorite and he gets.

His his.

Dad Jacob.

Yeah.

And because he's his dad's favorite and his brothers really don't like him.

Well, of course he receives the coat because he's, he's he's his favorite, which I guess is kind of an important part of this show, right?

It's in the title, you know.

Yeah.

Little details.

Gretchen.

But then Joseph gets thrown into a pit because his brothers are angry at him and then sold off into slavery, but eventually climbs his way up the ranks again and makes it with his, you know, the king.

Of Egypt.

Like a musical story.

Yeah.

This is your I mean, you have you've played lead roles before, but I think this is your first, like, title lead role with Saint Francis.

Correct.

So you and I have known each other for a number of years.

I've.

I think the first time I saw you on stage probably would have been Mary Poppins.

Probably at Saint Pius.

A long time ago.

That was a. Long time ago.

Was it?

What's it like being the lead of the Saint Francis musical?

You know, some might say that it's more pressure, but really, the experience that I had coming from a junior musical program has really prepared me for what it was, what it would be like at a higher scale musical theater program.

And also, a lot of people will look at Saint Francis de sales musical theater program and say, oh, I'm not cut out for that.

But really, when you get to be a part of it, you realize it's just as relaxed as any other musical program.

If anything, it's just you have the confidence of knowing that you get to put one of the best musicals on in the area.

So.

Carson, you are the stage manager this year.

Prior to us during the break, you had mentioned you've done like 1000 of these.

Yeah.

Decent couple in my lifetime.

What's what's the role of the stage manager and how did you get into this side of theater?

So I'm gonna start with what it's like.

So I always say on one side of the stage for the entire show, all the blackouts that happen.

This one has very few.

I call the blackouts all the set pieces.

You'll see.

Come on and off stage.

All tuned by me with all my many little seeds or all.

The stage.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I also help the sound and the lights, if need be.

All the props.

I'm also in charge, making sure they're all on and off at, like, the right times and stuff.

Yeah.

And what that mean to it?

So it was all the way back in freshman year and I was like, man, I should really do something.

And I was like, soccer.

Not for me.

Not for you.

And other sports.

I'll pass on that.

And then I saw.

Oh, I can do some something called musical.

And I'm like.

So I watched the couple.

I was like, this is very nice.

But then I was I saw about the siege painting and building and like, I've been a pretty, like, happy painter all my entire life.

I'm painting.

And so, yeah, I really was like, I think the stage are things for me.

Yeah.

Brothers and sisters.

I have one sister.

She did, one of the music halls their senior year, so I also helped.

Do you now enjoy ordering her around based on your prowess, or do you give her a direction?

Are you planning to do so?

Yeah.

One day.

If she told that to me that whole later in life.

Because.

Yeah.

Just like.

I'm.

Told, you know.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The the the set for these musicals is just insane.

And, I mean, you guys have almost as many, maybe as many students involved in stage crew as you do actually in the actual production question.

To that end.

Talk a little bit about the entirety of the performance, meaning how many people are actually involved in one of these.

So there's I have the exact numbers, 49 cast members this year.

It's a little a little lower than normal, usually over 60.

And then if 54 stage crew members.

Oh my gosh.

And they, you know, at a very summer in the late summer backstage, some just help paint and get ready for the show.

And then they maybe can't do this weekend because, you know, so and then we this year we added because you know Joseph has a we call it the youth choir, a children's choir.

And we put out a call and we have 32.

Oh my gosh, young people from fourth to eighth grade from all over the city of Toledo, one even from Dundee, Michigan.

Wow.

Yeah.

So, yeah, from.

Now you're by coastal.

Yeah.

You considered which?

At least we at least interstate.

But I mean, you know.

But yeah, we have 32 young people, mostly Catholic schools, but we we let anybody.

Yeah, sure do it.

And we do a fall musical now with junior high for that.

This was our this year was our seventh or eighth.

And a lot of the kids who were in Aladdin that we just did in the fall are in this.

But how long have you been directing musicals at Saint Francis?

It's a long history of some real.

I was in Bob Sucker days.

Gloria.

Malopolska.

So you have you have big shoes to fill their.

Huge shoes.

Yeah.

I started in 2019.

This is my seventh year, although it's my sixth high school show to make it to the stage, as we all know what happened in 2020.

And so, yeah, and then because of the addition of the the youth choir or, sorry, the fall junior high musicals, I think this is my 12th or 13th show and producing since starting in 2019.

How did you get into theater?

Yeah.

Great question.

I was a little bit of a late bloomer.

I didn't start until junior year, and I always wanted to do it, but I, I was pretty shy at that at that time.

I played piano, so I told someone, Maybe I'll play piano for your show.

Well, then the score was horrible.

I couldn't couldn't play it.

And he said, I'll let you out.

It was a guy named John Mayer.

I don't know if anybody knows him, but he said, I'll let you not play the piano if you try out.

And I was.

Like, the rest is history.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So you.

Old are you having to recruit kids to be on stage crew or to try out, or is it just such a an operation now that that people are trying to get in?

It's a little bit of both.

I mean, there's we definitely have a reputation and, you know, this whole like doing the youth choir in the fall junior high show is kind of farming students to us, I hope.

And, you know, getting them a little taste of what it's like.

And but yeah, we do have we do recruit a little bit because we don't always get the numbers just off the bat.

Sometimes it takes like just like for me, I'll walk up to a kid in school and be like, I think you could.

I think you could do this.

And they're like me, you know?

And they and I'm like, yeah, you should give it a try.

And we've had kids that, you know, junior or senior year, just do it.

One time we had a boy a couple of years ago decided he wanted to do it, quit lacrosse his senior year.

And when I quit, he didn't try out senior year.

And he landed a lead in something rotten.

And it was just something he decided he wanted to do.

And he worked really hard.

And he it was pretty amazing.

It's always that kid that everyone else that does musicals because they're like, oh, great, they'll look.

Yeah, exactly.

I. Mean, come on, you know I'm right.

You know I'm right about that.

Talk to me about kind of the the casting audition process.

I'm curious about this from both of your perspectives of kind of going in.

Right.

So, Ethan, we'll start with you.

You know, when you when you hear it's Joseph, I mean, did you immediately say I am Joseph or.

No.

So when the when the video came out to announce the musical, there were, there were several musicals that were being teased in the video, and Joseph came on the screen and I was like, oh, surely there's more like, there's no way this is the show we're doing.

And that's the way that I always am.

But I really couldn't believe that this actually was the case.

But I was like, you know, well, we'll get on board with it.

It'll be fine.

Preparing for the role was really fun because watching Donny Osmond is like a really fun time.

But then when it came time to the actual audition process, I had the flu the week of auditions.

So I feel like someone might have poisoned you.

You know.

It's a sabotage.

Is that lacrosse kid.

Probably a little brother?

But yeah.

No, I came in the day of callbacks and, like, squeaked out an audition.

That's great.

And the rest.

Is history.

History?

Why is it important for for for you guys to both participate in the arts in high school and for high schools to have performances and programs like this for their students?

I think that this is the same.

For instance, to sales.

Musical theater program is probably one of my favorite ways to express myself and who I am.

I can be around these people and I don't have to feel judged for what I like or how I express myself.

And I think that's really important because in high school, we're all trying to find our sense of self and our identity, and you will kind of miss out on that if you shy away from these experiences.

I know my freshman year I told myself that I didn't I wasn't going to like doing the musical, but I was going to push myself to do it anyway.

And that was one of the best decisions I could have made, because the friends that I made that freshman year are some of my best friends.

Now.

Kirsten, how about you?

Why is it important to be involved?

A lot like Ethan.

Like how I was saying about me not wanting to do any sports.

I was like, because I was also trying to figure out what what do I want and make the lasting impact on at my high school.

And I really think, like Saint Francis musical theater, it was probably the best choice I made in my opinion.

I've really enjoyed all the work I've done, and it's just real nice being able to like, get to know so many people like that are like you and all those others that join on into the musical that aren't like you.

So you just a whole spectrum of different people to me.

Now, why doesn't the crew get a bow?

Personally, I think as leader this year you could talk.

I've seen him come out.

Sometimes those last can turn off as fast as they turn on, but he's got a lot of power.

You got to ask Greg about.

That.

And you're.

Going to get Greg.

You're going to get it.

Absolutely not.

That's you know.

Those are those are my words.

Or these two answers have to be wind in your sales.

Right?

Absolutely.

That part of purpose I had a fine time in high school.

But it is to everyone very challenging.

And those who wish they could go back to high school usually should be an infirmary.

So.

But and all sincerity, you've dedicated your life to others and there are some wins and losses in that meaning.

You're dealing with young people who are working their way through their bodies and who they are.

They're working through parents, and every parent thinks their kid is ready for the big time.

Or at the risk of putting you a bit on the spot, can you talk a little bit about how the feeling this work is and also some of the challenges?

Absolutely.

So.

I took a long break from theater.

I was doing grad school for counseling.

And I'm, you know, being a school principal and things like that, and took a break that ended up being 14 years.

And I had a sister passed away from cancer in 2013, and she loved thank you.

She loved musicals.

And that was one way we bonded.

And did she have a favorite?

Her favorite was wicked.

Yeah, right.

Yeah.

But so, you know, going through that because it was like a three year process of cancer.

And so I, I said to myself, you know what?

It was really a lesson in how much time do I have left and what am I, what are my bucket list things, and what am I going to do?

Because she died at 44 and I was 41.

So the next year, my favorite all time musical, Les Mis, was being produced by three B Productions in Toledo.

My best.

One of my best friends, Joe Barton, is the director there.

And I said, I'm going to I'm going to go out for Les Mis.

So anyway, I know it's a long answer, but so I got back into community theater and started doing all these roles and just having a blast for, I guess it would have been six years or five years because 2014 and then never dreamed that this would be something I would do.

I was directing here and there, but it's just the opportunity came up because I'm also a school counselor at Saint Francis, and I just was like, you know.

So yeah, I mean, it's it's an incredible position to be in.

I often tell when I was in high school, I came to see you were probably in 42nd Street.

That was my I had already graduated.

I was next year.

My.

Two sisters were.

Then I went.

To.

She was graduated ten years prior.

One year.

I went to see 42nd Street and was blown away and became.

Gloria was like, I was like.

And we did good shows at Clay.

But I was like, I mean, I know disrespect to my drama teacher.

She was wonderful, Amy hearing.

But yeah, I just yeah, I was like, this is like.

The didn't have to be this.

Yeah.

I mean it was just incredible.

The, the sets, everything, the choreography.

So anyway, to be at the helm of it, I still have to pinch myself often and be like, I can't believe that they've entrusted me.

To prepare to pinch yourself one more time.

The show is this weekend.

Give me dates, times and location.

So we're.

At Lord's University, the Franciscan Center, and it's April 30th through May 3rd.

Shows are 730 on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and 230 on Sunday.

Tickets can be purchased by going to our website, SFS nights.

Ward Carson.

Ethan, thank you so much for joining us.

Break a leg this weekend.

I'm excited to be out there.

We're coming to my family to see it.

And you guys on.

So thank you.

Thank you so much.

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Kathy Commencé, we'll talk about some of the great things happening this summer with PBS kids.

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There's some great things happening this summer with.

We're joined now by our friend Kathy.

Commencement of the show.

Hello.

Hello.

Cathy, you.

Are our most repeating guest.

She's also our most favorite guest.

Yes.

Love that.

Yes.

Right.

I love that.

And your words?

Those are my words.

That's right.

No.

I like all of.

Our guests.

That have been on.

Thank you.

Thanks for having me back again.

Yeah.

We love you.

This is this time three.

Yes it is.

It's my third year.

Thank you.

Oh, really?

Is that the 500%?

Awesome.

I can't wait for that.

That's awesome.

I'm going to have somebody make that right now.

Yeah.

I need someone.

To order.

I'll coordinate that.

Joseph's coats, guys.

Only for this banter, because there is a load of summer stuff that you need to alert our listener.

I have great program for this summer on TV.

So tell me, tell me.

Tell me.

So obviously for you Toledo Story fans, tonight is Lake Erie, Ohio's great lake.

It's on at 8:00.

Thursday night at 8:00 is our Toledo stories time.

That's a dearly loved one.

Talks about the history of great, the history of Lake Erie all the way to Cleveland.

History which there's a lot of.

A question here.

Are we making those legs great again?

We are.

Yes we are.

We're going to make them great again.

Yeah.

So yeah.

Why.

Don't know what the acronym is for that.

But yeah we should go with.

Every leg.

Yeah.

Cleaning them up or clean them up.

No, no.

So we're wrapping up Call the Midwife season 15.

And we're wrapping up.

People love.

That show.

They love that show.

They are crazy about that show.

I mean, who could put women having babies on at 8:00 on a Sunday?

Really?

On a Sunday night?

And then they don't hold back and they don't hold back.

But the stories are.

Lovely for 15 years.

I know, and we're going to get a season 16 next year.

We have we have a season 16.

So great show.

Better than downtown Abby.

Downtown Abby.

It is.

Sorry, darling.

Sorry.

And I want to talk about that because that's actually coming back.

But so we're going to wrap up The Count of Monte Cristo.

Yes.

So he's in his revenge stage now.

So it's really, really fun.

He's out and he's rich and he's playing his foes.

He put him in jail.

It's very, very interesting.

The scenery is so beautiful.

And, you know.

A good sandwich.

Yeah, it is a good sandwich.

I've had those.

Yeah, it's a him and cheese with the fried.

Yeah.

And it's deep fried.

I'll tell you what, Kathy.

One of the best things with having you on is every dumb thing Gretchen says you make so sweet and so great.

Yeah, it's.

A sandwich.

Yeah.

Doc Watson's has it.

I got it.

Has one of everything.

You can have anything.

They can have sushi.

You can have a major table.

They have a 5000 page menu.

Perfect.

Perfect, perfect.

That's awesome.

So when I got a new series that just started, it's called Shared Planet.

It's on at 10:00.

It's kind of a global series.

There's four parts to it, and it's kind of like having people merge himself with wildlife.

Yeah, so it's just like taking nature and we fit ourselves into nature.

We don't get rid of it.

We're not tearing stuff down.

We're putting our stuff in there on a global.

So great.

So I was trying to to teach people how to live differently.

And that's why.

Every Wednesday for four Wednesdays, we just started the first one this past Wednesday at 10:00.

Great.

So show.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's a good it's a good thought.

Yes it is.

Nature's in May Wednesdays at 8:00.

All the shows are focused on Sir David Attenborough.

You know him so great.

He is such a conservation animal lover, teacher, mega supporter.

He's 99 years old.

I didn't know that.

He is 99 years old.

And he still, still, still is doing programs.

He is still out there.

He is still interfacing with the animals.

I mean, I love the way they look at this.

Isn't he gorgeous?

I mean.

He's just.

He's just.

And he's just so in love with these animals and he's so great.

And we're happy that he does so much for PBS just like that.

He does.

So we got some great performances.

I wanted to talk about real quick Fridays at 9:00.

We have got May 8th.

It's at 9:00.

It's the musical about the women's suffrage.

That's what else?

Ida wells?

Yes.

I saw it on Broadway.

Did you see it?

I did, it's fabulous.

Wow.

Such a good story.

The story of the suffragettes.

And it's very good.

I highly encourage people to watch that.

That's fantastic.

Yes, that's going to be on PBS on May 8th at 9:00.

Gretchen does not just give superlatives to.

Really?

That's true.

She will say.

Are you a tough critic on musical?

I think so, kind of.

You have to do the costumes alone.

Really?

Like the dresses?

Yeah.

Very vote.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

We're a good descriptor.

Yeah, yeah.

Even if don't drop us, like, did people wanting more?

Yeah.

Please keep going.

Such a fantastic story.

So yes, I think that's a good two hours.

So there's an investment of time there.

So.

But then you got the time.

You got the time.

All right.

Well that's awesome.

See, see.

I love how agreeable you are.

So then we go to May 15th, which is a Friday at 9:00.

Great performance is actually going to bring back Irving Berlin's top hat, which is super, super fun.

Cool.

So it's two hours of the classics.

It's based on Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers movie that they did in 1935.

So you got cheek to cheek.

Yeah.

And putting on the Ritz and all those great songs.

Irving Berlin.

I mean, so that's going to be great.

So all these shows are available on your passport.

If you do stream, use our streaming service passport.

If you remember, at $60 a year or just $5 a month.

I'd never say that enough.

I say that all the time.

It is an unbelievable.

I love my passport.

I use it all the time.

I was just watching one of my favorite great performances, which was on Henry Mancini's hundredth birthday.

I have it on my save list and yeah, I watch all the time.

This is great music.

So anyway.

But you can do that too.

But I think what we're kind of really excited about here as a whole station as a collective is radio.

Has there won their 50th anniversary?

May 2nd, 1976.

They completely hit the airwaves, classical music and NPR news.

And the community completely just embraced them.

I'll tell.

You what.

Embrace them and supported them, because we wouldn't have been here for 50 years.

Without doesn't have.

The community support.

Exactly.

Kathy, we we are so proud even be loosely affiliated with such a great tradition.

You know, how important we feel on the mission is.

So 50 years is a big celebration and we're looking forward to it and ideally the next 50 as well.

So thank you for all the leadership here, not just about you but for the whole staff is kind.

We all believe in each other's stuff.

You can tell honestly say that and I support.

Each other.

Matt and Kevin make fun of me for being old all the time.

But I'm 56.

We moved here when I was six to Toledo.

6 or 7, and we're from Oklahoma.

Okay.

So have been listening to public radio for almost that entire time.

Back to my parents.

Listened to it in the car.

Mine too.

We would listen to All Things Considered the News and driving around with our with our folks listening to Car Talk, which my dad loved, and all of that kind of stuff on National Public Radio.

So it's truly amazing that it's been around.

It is the background is the background.

But these communities.

They support it.

It's all supported by the community.

So and they're still supporting it now.

And I always tell when I'm on the radio I help them out during their pledge and stuff.

And I always say, you know what, if you're listening to one and you just found it, somebody has supported it because you just found it.

So be that next person to support it for somebody else who just found it, you know?

So yeah, so so we're really excited to celebrate with them as a station.

So I know that Tina's department, the PBS kids department, they've got another kids night in June.

And so I don't know what show they're doing.

But we have all kinds of kids activities here.

We get 150.

They have the big Daniel Tiger event at the zoo.

That's right.

That's coming up.

So you can.

Be my neighbor day.

Yes.

Information about that at the WGU website.

Yeah, exactly.

And then I have a screener coming up in June 2nd, June 14th, and it's on a Thursday because we have Grand Chester season 11, the final season.

So my grand Chester mystery fans, I'm so sorry, but it is the final season.

And what.

Is it?

It's a it's a light mystery series.

And there's the vicar that there's been three different vicars.

We speak I know right.

But it's based on it is based on a book called Grand Chester.

Okay.

And it is based on and and this poor little town has all of grand gesture, has all these horrible murders.

And the police chief likes to have the.

Vicar very visits frequently.

Maybe.

She's probably.

Sure that's a really.

Yeah, yeah.

No matter where she.

Is.

She could go have a coffee somewhere.

Oh, my God, look what happened.

Death is by.

No.

But.

Yeah, but.

So a lot of people are sad to see it go but yeah lovely seasons.

So we have our third vicar.

So he's going to find his mother and we're going to it's going to end on a happy, happy note.

And they're all going to live happily ever.

After until someone's untimely death.

Yeah.

So and then in June we start our new we had a new series last year called Patience.

It's from the BBC.

And Patience is her name.

She's a girl.

She works back in like the the death medical records and she gets stuff and she's autistic.

Well, she can really solve these murders because she pays attention to a lot of the stuff that we maybe not pay attention to.

So the inspector has kind of brought her in as the team because she's like, I didn't think about that.

And she becomes a very integral part.

So we have a season two, which a lot of people are happy.

Some of them are kind of dark a little bit.

Some of the stuff is dark, but but, but it's good stuff.

So people are pretty excited.

About it.

We're hoping that Great Britain continues to show us patience.

Yeah.

And Downton Abbey comes back.

Downton Abbey is coming back.

PBS, I know PBS has gotten.

Reruns, or they're doing.

New shows coming into reruns.

Okay, so we're going to do seasons one, two and three starting in June.

Take a break for Christmas because December is the first week is usually fundraising, and then I go right into holiday mode.

I try to hit all the holidays that everybody celebrates with programing and make it fun.

Then they'll repeat I'll Creatures Great and Small season six because we have season seven coming in January because then they've commissioned a season seven and a season eight.

I could go on forever, so you have to tell me.

When to stop.

So.

So the real reason why we brought you on is because we're auditioning for Gretchen's replacement.

Gotcha.

And so it's now time for Kathy's wacky quiz.

Oh my God.

Oh, my gosh, I really need my audience.

No, I will be answering the questions as if I was Shane, our producer who was out of town.

I'm gonna get to do the quiz.

I just want to make sure that we're on the same page, that you are not going to do the accent.

I will not do the exact.

Okay.

Thank you.

I want any more.

Yeah.

Okay.

Let's.

Do it.

I'm so happy to do this.

I'm so happy to do this.

Yeah.

Thanks.

Ready?

If you had a fake name, what fake name would you make up?

Well, as Shane, I would keep the same name because it's dreadful to pronounce.

And the way I say it makes children cry.

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

It would be Sir Reginald.

Cedric.

Oh.

I love it so.

Much, I like it.

Yeah.

I almost recorded a book on tape that was, like, rather spicy.

And I joked that if I did it, I was going to use the name Kurt, which is Nicole's husband.

Yeah.

Yeah, I love it.

That's his.

Actual name.

That's my fake name would be someone else's real name.

That's right.

Well, you had to do a name for you.

Shane I would be would be Shane's name and bring some light in the world.

Unlike what he does, which just brings terror and darkness.

Gotcha.

Okay, okay.

He's like, gotcha.

That's all right.

I can't go any further than that.

That's cool.

What is something exciting that's happening in your life right now?

Again, as Shane.

My skin is translucent white, so I found a new SPF.

It's SPF 1000, so I will be going out in this other do now.

I will be going out in the sun wearing my usual deep sea diving suit and the SPF.

Gretchen.

A David Letterman skit of some kind.

Exciting for me is that I just bought a ticket to my for my big trip of the year, and I'm going to Morocco in September.

Yeah.

I know from last time you're seeing Bruno Mars.

That's right.

I think that's.

In Morocco.

No.

Well, separate.

Separate things.

Okay.

Unless he wants to join us.

Well.

He could be.

He would.

That's right.

Maybe he'll need a break.

That's right.

I'm going to be opening for Bruno Mars.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's.

A big, big announcement.

All right.

Will you be doing.

I want.

To know.

That's a great question.

What song?

On the count.

Of maybe a comedy.

I'm just making sandwiches.

Yeah.

You could do a comedy musical kind of thing.

Like at life.

Maybe like a talent.

You could pull that off.

Yeah.

There it is.

Talent.

Oh, okay.

All right.

Last one.

What has been the worst haircut you've.

Ever had?

Oh, my gosh, that's a great question.

All of them.

I have terrible hair.

So I went into Supercuts where I get all my hair cut done.

Because they're super.

That's right.

Thank you.

And they have decided to change their name after experience.

Just final cut.

I know.

It's just gonna be called.

That's exactly.

Yeah, it's going to be called cuts.

Cuts.

I have had so many bad hair.

I can't.

It's not true.

Fourth grade.

Probably.

I had a Dorothy Hamill.

Did you?

Yeah.

Like the the.

You know, people know.

People know what.

I'm working on.

On Scott Hamilton.

Yeah.

Oh, there you go.

Covid was rough for all of us.

Like like go.

You cut your bangs.

Again without.

That's right.

A long time without a haircut.

It was.

It was pretty painful.

I throughout high school, I was in musicals, and I did a role my senior year where I was in Elvis parody.

We did Bye Bye Birdie.

And so I rocked, I rocked, and Elvis hairstyle.

Maybe longer than I should have.

After the show.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

Well, you were to the adoring fans.

Yeah.

I was doing.

I was doing what they wanted.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And he also adhered to some of it.

Not by choice.

It was mostly.

Kathy, thank you so much.

You want to be back here?

You guys are so much fun.

You're fine.

Thank you for being here.

Thank you for doing what you do here.

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Welcome back into the 419, our Thursday edition, as we take a look at our Toledo community calendar driven by Tata Rapid Fire.

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Toledo.

Com the mix Friday night tattoo fest Friday to Sunday.

Clare's day Saturday at the main library.

Cinco de Mayo celebration.

Sunday at the zoo.

And the walk for miss is Sunday same time.

Saint Francis musical starts tonight.

Tonight through Sunday at the Franciscan Center.

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At Toledo Pickle.

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So get out.

Enjoy.

Toledo.

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Thanks to Dean Davis and of course, our friend and Gretchen future replacement, Kathy.

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