>> THANKS >> FOR JOINING US ON CHICAGO TONIGHT.

I'M PARISH HERE'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

FORMER CITY COUNCIL ALLY TURNED FBI MALL.

DANNY SOLIS TAKES A STAND IN THE CORRUPTION TRIAL OF FORMER ALDERMAN ED BURKE WITH MIKE THE CIVIC FEDERATION NAMES FORMER CITY INSPECTOR GENERAL JOE FERGUSON AS ITS NEXT PRESIDENT.

>> HE CALLED ME THE LAZIEST WHITE HE EVER MET.

>> AS NORMAN LEAR RIGHT THERE ON CHICAGO TONIGHT IN 2015, TALKING ABOUT HIS EARLY FAMILY LIFE, WE REVISIT OUR CONVERSATION WITH THE TELEVISION PIONEER WHO DIED LAST WEEK.

>> NOW SOME OF TODAY'S TOP STORIES.

A BOMBSHELL DAY.

THE TRIAL, FORMER ALDERMAN ED BURKE BERKS DEFENSE TEAM CALLED NONE OTHER THAN BERKS.

FORMER CITY COUNCIL COLLEAGUE TURNED GOVERNMENT MALL.

DANNY SOLIS TO THE STAND AMONG OTHER THINGS, SO LEAST TESTIFY THAT THE GOVERNMENT ON OCCASION INSTRUCTED HIM TO LIE.

AND SOME OF HIS CONVERSATIONS WITH PARK REVOLVING AROUND POTENTIAL ALLEGED CITY DEALS IN EXCHANGE FOR PRIVATE BUSINESS TO THE FENCE.

THEN RESTED ITS CASE.

WE'LL HAVE MORE ON TODAY'S TESTIMONY WITH OUR SPOTLIGHT POLITICS TEAM IN JUST A BIT.

THE MAYOR AND ALL THE PEOPLE ARE GOING BACK ON PROPOSED RULE CHANGES THAT WOULD HAVE LEFT MUCH OF THE PUBLIC OUT IN THE COLD.

IF THEY WANT TO GET A FRONT ROW SEAT TO CITY GOVERNMENT PROCEEDINGS, THOSE RULES WOULD HAVE REQUIRED MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO MAKE RESERVATIONS AND SHOW GOVERNMENT-ISSUED IDENTIFICATION TO SIT IN THE MAIN SECOND FLOOR GALLERY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS DURING MEETINGS IS PROMPTING A REBUKE FROM THE BETTER GOVERNMENT ASSOCIATION WHICH WARNED THAT THE RULE CHANGES WERE LIKELY ILLEGAL AND NOT IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENT AND OPEN ACCESS TO PUBLIC MEETINGS.

A FEDERAL LAWSUIT ACCUSES THE FORMER CPS TEACHER OF GROOMING AND SEXUALLY ABUSING MULTIPLE STUDENTS OVER A FOUR-YEAR PERIOD.

THE LAWSUIT NAMES ANDREW CASTRO, A FORMER GYM TEACHER AT FEDERICO GARCIA LORCA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON THE CITY'S NORTHWEST SIDE.

COMPLAINT ALSO ACCUSES CPS OF FAILING TO PROTECT CHILDREN FROM CASTRO.

>> THE IMPACT OF STRAW MATIC EVENTS ON OUR CLIENTS IS PROFOUND.

AND LONG-LASTING.

IT IS CRUCIAL TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS ISN'T AN ISOLATED INCIDENT.

THE CHICAGO PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS A HISTORY OF SIMILAR CASES AFFECT EXTENSIVELY.

REPORT IT, INCLUDING THE 2018 CHICAGO TRIBUNE INVESTIGATION.

>> CASTOR FACES CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COOK COUNTY COURT RELATED TO ABUSE OF THE STUDENTS.

A CPS SPOKESPERSON SAYS THE DISTRICT DOES NOT COMMENT ON PENDING INVESTIGATIONS OR LITIGATION.

THERE'S MORE ON THIS STORY ON OUR WEBSITE.

A MAN IN A FLOPPY RED CHRISTMAS HAD PAID A SPECIAL VISIT TO STUDENTS AT PARKSIDE COMMUNITY ACADEMY IN THE SOUTH SHORE NEIGHBORHOOD TODAY THAT VISITOR NOT SANTA CLAUS.

FORMER PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA WHO REFERRED TO HIMSELF.

>> AS SKINNY CENTER FOR PRESIDENT READ THE BOOKS GOT TO GO TO A CLASSROOM OF PRE K STUDENTS AND DOLED OUT A SET OF TOYS AND WINTER ACCESSORIES TO ALL THE STUDENTS.

CONSTRUCTION IS ONGOING RIGHT NOW NEARBY ON THE OBAMA PRESIDENTIAL CENTER SET TO OPEN IN JACKSON PARK IN 2025.

NEXT, A NEW LEADER, THE CIVIC FEDERATION.

THAT'S RIGHT AFTER THIS.

>> CHICAGO TONIGHT IS MADE POSSIBLE IN BY ALEXANDRA AND JOHN NICHOLS.

THE GYM AND K MAYBE FAMILY.

THE POPE BROTHERS FOUNDATION.

AND THE SUPPORT OF THESE DONORS.

>> HE SPENT 12 YEARS AS THE CORRUPTION BUSTING WATCHDOG OF CITY GOVERNMENT PROVING TO BE A THORN IN THE SIDE OF BOTH EMANUEL AND LIGHTFOOT ADMINISTRATIONS.

NOW FORMER INSPECTOR GENERAL JOE FERGUSON HAS A NEW ROLE AS HEAD OF THE ESTEEMED FISCAL WATCHDOG GROUP.

THE CIVIC FEDERATION VIEWERS MIGHT RECALL FORMER CIVIC FEDERATION, PRESIDENT US ALL ON THIS PROGRAM MANY TIMES IMPLORING ELECTED OFFICIALS, THE PRACTICE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.

WHERE THOSE CALLS HE DID, IF WE DON'T KNOW.

BUT HOW WILL JOE FERGUSON CARRY FORWARD THAT LEGACY?

JOAN FERGUSON JOINS US TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION AND MORE AS A SARAH, WHAT MORE THE VICE PRESIDENT RESEARCH DIRECTOR ALSO SERVED AS ACTING PRESIDENT OF THE CIVIC FEDERATION.

CONGRATULATIONS, VERY SURPRISING.

UNEXPECTED NEWS TODAY.

THIS BIG ANNOUNCEMENT THAT JOE FERGUSON THAT BACK IN THE SPOTLIGHT.

SO THIS ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN KNOWN TO BE NON-PARTISAN WATCHDOG, ADVOCATING FOR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, YOUR VISION FOR THE CIVIC A NON-PARTISAN WATCHDOG FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND UNDER WAY, THAT'S VERY MUCH ALIGNED WITH THE WORK THAT I'M I THINK I'M A I'M KNOWN AS INSPECTOR GENERAL.

>> AND YOU MENTIONED THE THORNS AND THE THORNS ARE JUST SORT OF THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DEALT WITH IN ORDER TO SMELL THE ROSES.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE WANT TO BE.

IT'S THE PLACE WHERE WE'RE SMELLING THE ROSES AND FISCAL PROBITY, EFFECTIVENESS AND EFFICIENCY IN GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS.

GOOD PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION REALLY IS THE ROAD OUT OF THE PLACE THAT WE'RE IN.

THAT'S KIND OF BEEN THE CIVIC FEDERATION IS HALLMARK.

SARAH WETMORE.

SO WHY IS JOE FERGUSON THE RIGHT PERSON TO >> CONTINUE TO LEAD THIS FIGHT?

I THINK YOU HEARD IT RIGHT THERE.

IT'S A PASSION FOR THE WORK THAT THE CIVIC FEDERATION DOES FOR IMPROVING GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY, BUT ALSO BRINGING THE CREDIBILITY AND THE KNOWLEDGE TO THE TO THIS POSITION BEING IN A POSITION TO MOVE THE ORGANIZATION FORWARD INTO A NEW ERA.

JOE FERGUSON, YOUR PREDECESSOR, LAWRENCE, HAS ALL VIEWERS MAY REMEMBER HAS BEEN ON THIS PROGRAM.

MANY TIMES SAID HE WAS ADAMANT THAT THE CITY AND OTHER UNITS OF GOVERNMENT, THE STATE.

>> COUNTY, WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO GET THERE, BELEAGUERED PENSION IN IN BALANCE AND MASSIVELY UNDERFUNDED.

AS YOU KNOW.

HOW DO YOU INTEND TO HAMMER THOSE POINTS HOME?

BECAUSE PENSION SYSTEMS ARE STILL PRETTY BELEAGUERED.

SO I THINK THE MESSAGE NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO BE STRUCK.

SO IT'S NOT CONSCIOUSNESS IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC.

CERTAINLY THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS VERY, VERY CONSCIOUS OF THIS.

>> IT'S GOING TO HAVE TAX IMPLICATIONS AT LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE, WHICH ACTUALLY CROWD OUT A LOT OF THE SOCIAL SERVICE SPENDING THAT IS GOING TO BE NEEDED TO TRADITIONALLY UNDERINVESTED OF POPULATIONS AND TO REALLY SERVE THE CAUSE EQUITY.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO STRIKE THE EXACT SAME NOTES AS LAWRENCE, BUT ALSO WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN HERE IS STITCHING TOGETHER, SOMETIMES COMPETING AND SOMETIMES ANTAGONISTIC.

A PARTISAN PARTIES TO COME TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE REALLY ARE ESPECIALLY AT THE CITY LEVEL FACING A CLIFF.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME RATHER THAN TALK ACROSS THE DIVIDE TO SORT OF FIGURE OUT WHAT THE SOLUTIONS ARE THAT ACTUALLY EVERYBODY CAN BUY INTO.

SO IT'S THAT SORT OF QUIET CONVERSATION BACK CORRIDOR, BOARDROOM CONVERSATION BUT ALSO INCLUSIVE CONVERSATION THAT INCLUDES COMMUNITY LEADERS THAT INCLUDES THE UNION LEADERS TO ACTUALLY GET EVERYBODY TO ACKNOWLEDGE.

WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER.

WE'LL SHARE THAT MORE.

THERE'S I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY BEEN DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHIES ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS.

MORE PRO UNION FOLKS AND SAY JUST >> POUR MONEY INTO THIS, EXTEND THE ARCA OF PAYMENTS TO PAY BACK MORE BUSINESS ORIENTED.

FOLKS HAVE SAID WE NEED TO CURTAIL AT LEAST FUTURE BENEFITS.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE PENSION PROTECTION CLAUSE IN THE CONSTITUTION.

WHAT IS THE WAY OUT GIVEN ALL THOSE THINGS?

SO I THINK THAT THIS IS A PLACE THE CIVIC FEDERATION IS CONTINUING TO LOOK INTO NEW AREAS WHERE WE CAN BE MAKING I THINK A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT AREAS RIGHT FOR TALKING INCLUDE.

>> HAVING 100% FUNDING GOAL, 90% ISN'T GOING TO CUT MOVING TOWARD THAT IN THAT DIRECTION.

TAKING A LOOK AT FURTHER CONSOLIDATION OF PENSION FUNDS.

WE HAVE MORE PENSION FUNDS IN ALMOST ANY OTHER STATE IN THE UNION.

SO THESE ARE AREAS WHERE WE CAN FIND PLACES WHERE THERE ARE GOING TO BE SAVINGS BUT ALSO BE MOVING TOWARD 100% FUNDING GOAL MOVING MORE TOWARD FULL FUNDING AS WE AS WE PROGRESS OVER THE YEARS.

JOE FERGUSON IS OIG PERFORM NUMBER OF AUDITS TO FIND EFFICIENCIES IN CITY GOVERNMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, MOVING TO A GREAT BASE TO >> SYSTEM INSTEAD OF HAVING IT BASED ON THE CRAZE LEAD.

RON WARNS THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE THAT COULD SAVE MONEY.

DO PLAN TO CONTINUE.

THOSE KINDS OF RECOMMENDATIONS AS YOU'RE ROLE AS HEAD OF THE CIVIC FEDERATION, IT WON'T BE IN EXACTLY THE SAME SORT GROUND THAT WAS THE CASE WITH THE WITH THE IG.

BUT >> WITH THE SAME SORT OF MISSION THINGS LIKE REDUNDANCY IN GOVERNMENT.

SARAH, JUST MENTION THAT THERE'S TOO MANY PENSIONS AND THAT MEANS TOO MUCH MANAGEMENT, TOO MANY SEPARATE BOARDS A REAL WIDE VARIABILITY OF PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT OF THOSE PENSIONS.

BRING THOSE TOGETHER AND YOU HAVE THE FISSION SEIZE RIGHT THERE AND YOU ACTUALLY CAN ELEVATE THE STANDARDS.

IT'S THOSE SORTS OF IT'S BEEN A JET, ALMOST A GENERATION SINCE THERE'S BEEN A MEANINGFUL EXAMINATION OF CITY AND COUNTY REDUNDANCY IN OPERATIONS.

AND THERE CERTAINLY HAS BEEN A LOT OF WORK THAT THE CIVIC FEDERATION HAS BEEN ARTICULATING IN RECENT YEARS.

AND GOES BACK FOR A LONG TIME AS TO THE MULTIPLICITY OF LEVELS AND LAYERS OF GOVERNMENT THAT WE SIMPLY DON'T NEED IT.

THE STATE LEVEL.

THE OTHER THING ABOUT YOUR ROLE THAT I THINK US ALL DID A LOT WAS ACTUALLY MEETING WITH PUBLIC OFFICIALS, THE MAYOR AND THE GOVERNOR AND LOBBYING THEM.

I MEAN, HE.

>> IN ESSENCE, WAS A LOBBYIST ON BEHALF OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.

THERE WAS NO PRIVATE CLIENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT?

YOU CAN WITH THE MAYOR, THE GOVERNOR THE JOB JOB CAN BE ACHIEVED.

THE MISSION CAN BE ACHIEVED UNLESS THERE IS THAT DIALOGUE.

AND I THINK.

>> IN THE LEADERSHIP CAPACITY DRAWING ON THE GREAT WORK THAT WAS DONE BY SARAH AND HER TEAM CARRIED THAT THE CORRIDORS OF POWER TO ACTUALLY PUT ON THE BOTH THE FACTS AND THE POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS.

BUT YOU NEED TO BRING THE DIVERSE CONSTITUENCIES TOGETHER.

YOU NEED TO GET FOLKS TALKING ACROSS THE ISLAND.

THAT ONLY HAPPENS THROUGH RELATIONSHIP BUILDING.

SO WHAT MORE IN LAWRENCE SMITH STILL?

IT'S STILL KIND OF HEAVY ON OUR HEARTS THAT HE PASSED FEW MONTHS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AGO NOW.

I MEAN, HE'S A FUNERAL PARK WAS ATTENDED BY THE GOVERNOR AND BY EVERY AT BURKE >> HIS LEGACY MORE ON HIS LEGACY IN YOUR EYES.

>> SO I THINK HIS LEGACY IS BEING THE THE GOLD STANDARD OF NON PARTISAN ADVOCACY ON BEHALF OF THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY OF CHICAGO AND THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, BUT ALSO ADVOCATING FOR HOW BEST FIND EFFICIENCY IN GOVERNMENT BELIEVING IN THE POWER OF GOVERNMENT TO DO IN THE COMMUNITY AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S DOING IT IN THE RIGHT >> JEFFERSON, BEFORE WE LEAVE YOU, WE WE WE HAVE TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE A A U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL FORMER PROSECUTOR.

OBVIOUSLY THE RALLY DID A LOT OF WORK ON BURKE IS IG TO WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE FACT THAT THE FENCE BASICALLY RESTED THEIR CASE AFTER CALLING DANNY SOLIS TODAY.

THE AT THE END OF THE DAY.

AND OBVIOUSLY CAN'T TALK ABOUT PARTICULARS BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF THE INVESTIGATION AND WORK UP OF THAT MATTER.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY.

>> MY GUT IS IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE RECORDINGS AND THE TAPES.

IT'S A VERY, VERY GUT LEVEL REACTION THAT PEOPLE HAVE.

AND WE'LL HAVE TO YOU THINK THOSE TAPES AND RECORDINGS PRETTY.

THEY TELL PRETTY CLEAR STORY.

WELL, THEY TELL IT THING IS IS THAT WE HAVE THIS EXPECTATION OF PEOPLE ACTUALLY EXCHANGING MONEY ON CAMERA.

THAT'S NOT THIS CASE.

IT'S A LITTLE MORE SUBTLE.

AND I KNOW THE DEFENSE BAR AND SOME OF THE MEDIA SAY, HEY, IT'S NOT THE STRONGEST GOVERNMENT CASE AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS A GUT LEVEL THING.

HOW THE JURY ACTUALLY RESPONSE TO THE COUPLED WITH THE CORROBORATING INFORMATION AND WE'LL HAVE TO SEE.

THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTING.

ALRIGHT, AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS, JOE FERGUSON.

SARAH, WHAT MOORE, THANKS FOR JOINING US.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

>> AND NEXT, THE LATEST IN THE CORRUPTION TRIAL OF FORMER ALDERMAN ED BURKE.

AS WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT OUR SPOTLIGHT POLITICS TEAM ON THAT AND MUCH MORE RIGHT AFTER THIS.

BOMBSHELL TESTIMONY IN THE FEDERAL CORRUPTION TRIAL OF ED BURKE AS HIS FORMER COUNCIL COLLEAGUE TURNED MOLE DANNY SOLIS TAKES THE STAND.

PLUS SOME BIG AGENDA ITEMS ON TAP FOR CITY COUNCIL TOMORROW.

HERE WITH ALL THAT AND MORE AS A SPY POLITICS TEAM AND OF AN ICKY.

AND HEATHER SHARON, MY VERY GOOD FRIEND SAID ARE ON THE DEFENSE CALLS.

DANNY SOLIS AND THEN THEY REST THEIR CASE.

THAT'S IT.

THAT'S THE ENTIRE DEFENSE FOR ALDERMAN ED BURKE AND MOST OF THE TIME THAT SOLIS WAS ON THE STAND, HE WAS PRESSED ABOUT, WELL, EXACTLY.

WHAT DID YOU AT THE GOVERNMENT'S REQUEST ASK BURKE TO DO AND DIDN'T EVEN MATTER BECAUSE MAYOR RAHM EMANUEL.

>> ONE OF THE RENOVATION OF THE OLD POST EVEN IF BURKE THREW UP EVERY RIPPER, CENTRAL ROADBLOCK, HE KNEW HOW ULTIMATELY THE MAYOR WAS GOING TO OVERRIDE HIM.

THAT WAS ARGUMENT PUT FORWARD BY CHRIS CARE AT BERKS LEAD DEFENSE ATTORNEY AND OF COURSE, HE TRIED TO DIRTY UP DANNY SOLIS A LITTLE BIT SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHY DID YOU AGREE WEAR A WIRE?

AND HE AND HE ACKNOWLEDGED I WAS TRYING TO SAVE MYSELF BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT FEDERAL OFFICIALS CONFRONTED DANNY SOLIS EARLY ONE MORNING AND PRESENTED EVIDENCE OF A SERIES OF WRONGDOINGS THAT HE HAD COMMITTED AND HE AGREED TO BECOME GOVERNMENT INFORMANT.

AND FOR THAT WORK, WHICH WE'RE TOLD IS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT IN ILLINOIS POLITICAL CORRUPTION HISTORY, WHICH IS NO SMALL FEAT.

I MEAN, HE SPEND NOT A DAY IN JAIL AND HE WILL KEEP HIS AND NOT JUST BURKE, BY THE WAY MEAN, HOUSE SPEAKER MIKE MADIGAN.

THERE'S A LOT OF RECORDINGS AND I THINK THAT WAS A BUT SO BASICALLY ADMITTING THAT DOING THIS BECAUSE HE'S A GREAT GUY AND HE WANTS TO FIX LIKE HE'S DOING IT BECAUSE YES, TO SAVE HIS HIDE FROM HIS OWN VERY PERILOUS LEGAL TROUBLES, WHICH HE HAS CLEARED OF NOW, IS THAT.

>> IS THAT DESIGN TO POKE HOLES IN THE CASE THAT THAT THIS GOVERNMENT MALL IS WAS JUST DOING THIS FOR HIS OWN INTERESTS.

AND THE FBI WAS JUST >> PUTTING HIM UP TO YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS DESIGNED TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS WAS A SET UP SORT OF AN ENTANGLEMENT AND THEY'VE NOT ENTRAPMENT, BUT THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE HINTING THERE.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

AND THEY'RE SEEING LAKE LAKE.

THEY TOLD HIM TO LIVE IN A BUBBLE RIGHT AND HE WASN'T THAT IT WASN'T WHO IS ALL POWERFUL IS HEATHER NOTED THERE.

I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO IT BECAUSE WE HAD, OF COURSE, EARLY ON EARLIER ON THE TRIAL, PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT HOW HE'S THE MOST POWERFUL LONGEST-SERVING ALDERMAN REALLY TRYING TO CUT THOSE CREDENTIALS TO SAY, HEY, WAIT, THIS IS JUST POLITICS.

WHAT DO YOU KNOW?

AND THEN I THINK THERE WAS AN EXCHANGE AS WELL.

HEATHER WAS IN THE COURTROOM.

IT WAS NOT ADMIT, BUT WHERE, YOU KNOW THEIR TIME.

SO WHAT THAT WAS PUBLIC SERVICE OUT OF THE GOOD OF YOUR KNOW YOU WOULD KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT REALLY TRYING STRICKEN BY THE JUDGE.

BUT YOU STILL HERE?

YES, YES, SO BUT THE IDEA IS TO GET THE JURY THINKING ABOUT, WELL, WHY DID DANNY SOLIS MAKE ALL OF THESE TAPES?

AND CAN WE REALLY TRUST SORT OF WHAT CAYMAN THAT?

WHAT'S INTERESTING IN MY MIND, AT LEAST THAT THEY DIDN'T ADDRESS AT ALL THE 3 OTHER SCHEMES, THAT EDBERG RIGHT JUST DOING NOTHING ABOUT THE BURGER KING, NOTHING ABOUT THE FIELD MUSEUM, EXTORTION AND NOTHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REALLY SORT OF HIS EFFORTS TO GET BUSINESS FOR HIS PROPERTY TAX FROM.

>> WHICH HIS LAWYERS KEEPS, YOU KNOW, REMINDING WITNESSES IT WAS WAS TOTALLY LEGAL, THAT HAVE THAT WITNESS THAT WORK FOR CLATTERING MARCOUX SAID NO.

WE MADE SURE THAT.

>> THAT HAD WHOLE FILE ON THAT.

ALTHOUGH THEY DID CROSS EXAMINE THAT THE GOVERNMENT LET WITNESSES.

SO WHAT'S NEXT?

HEATHER?

CLOSING ARGUMENTS TOMORROW.

JURY INSTRUCTIONS AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO FINISH HASHING OUT THE 300 PAGES OF JURY INSTRUCTIONS TOMORROW MORNING, WHICH MEANS THAT CLOSING ARGUMENTS COULD START AS SOON AS 01:00PM.

TOMORROW, WHICH MEANS YOU KNOW, THAT THE THE JURY COULD BE DELIBERATING BY THE END OF THE WEEK, WHICH I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF WHIPLASH FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE COURTROOM.

>> MOST OF THE TIME BECAUSE THIS WAS A TRIAL THAT SORT OF STARTED AND THEN STOPPED AND THEN STARTED AND THEN STOPPED WITH 2 OUTBREAKS OF COVID OURS.

WE WAITED YEARS AND AND SORT OF HOURS OF CERTAIN MINUTE TESTIMONY ABOUT WHO NEEDED A DRIVEWAY PERMANENT, WHO DIDN'T NEED A DRIVEWAY IT AND WHETHER ANYBODY DID ANYTHING HINKIE WITH A DRIVEWAY PERMIT.

SO IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE SORT OF THE DEFENDANTS CLOSING ARGUMENTS.

REMINDER, HE'S BURKE IS STANDING TRIAL ALONGSIDE LONGTIME AIDE PETE ANDREWS AND QUAY.

>> ALL RIGHT.

LET'S MOVE ON TO SOME STATE NEW ABORTION FRONT SEEMS A NEW LAW AIMED AT STOPPING ALLEGED DECEPTIVE PRACTICES BY ANTI-ABORTION PREGNANCY CENTERS WILL NOT BE ENFORCED AFTER AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE ILLINOIS ATTORNEY GENERAL AND SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT CHALLENGE THIS LAW.

HERE'S GOVERNOR PRITZKER TODAY DEFENDING ALONG TALKING ABOUT THE LATEST DEVELOPMENTS.

>> PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE LIED TO WHEN THEY'RE SEEKING HEALTHCARE.

THIS WAS NOT A DECISION, BY THE WAY, AGAINST THE STATE.

THIS WAS A DECISION MADE BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SIMPLY FALL BACK ON THE EXISTING LAW BECAUSE IT DOES WHAT?

WHAT'S NEXT?

>> SO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL KIND OF WALKING BACK TO SNOW TO THERE'S GOING TO PROSECUTE THESE CENTERS FOR ALLEGED DECEPTIVE PRACTICES.

IT'S IT'S REALLY A STRANGE ONE, PARIS, BECAUSE THIS WAS SORT OF A HALLMARK AGENDA ITEM FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL GETTING THIS LAW PASSED.

THAT WOULD GO AFTER WHAT ARE WIDELY KNOWN AS PREGNANCY CRISIS ENTERS.

BUT WHICH ATTORNEY GENERAL HAD ARGUED USE DECEPTIVE PRACTICES TO TRY YOU TALK WOMEN OUT OF HAVING AN ABORTION AND >> SO YOU TALK TO FOLKS THAT SAY THAT REALLY THE SOME OF THESE DECEPTIVE PRACTICES TOTALLY CROSS THE LINE WITH PEOPLE PRETENDING TO SAY WORK A CLINIC LIKE PLANNED PARENTHOOD WHEN IN FACT THEY WERE AN ANTI-ABORTION CRISIS, RENT, A PORTION CENTER.

SO IT'S VERY STRANGE OVER WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF THIS.

CHANGE OF TUNE.

WHY THIS AGREEMENT, WHY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DIDN'T CONTINUE TO FIGHT THE LIE.

THINK YOU HEARD THE GOVERNOR SAY THAT THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT HE WAS IN ON NIGHT DID IN FACT, SPEAK WITH THE SPONSOR TODAY WHO SAYS THAT SHE HAD.

NO CLUE THAT THERE WAS THIS AGREEMENT IS GOING TO SHE'S FRANKLY HORRIFIED AND REALLY UPSET BY IT.

SHE SAYS THAT THIS IS A LAW THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SHOULD HAVE FOUGHT FOR AND THAT THIS IS SHE NEVER WOULD HAVE SPONSORED ANYTHING THAT SHE BELIEVED TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL, THAT THIS IS GOING TO HURT WOMEN AND LEAVE THEM UNPROTECTED.

I THOUGHT THERE ARE SOME FREE SPEECH ISSUES.

I WANT COME BACK TO.

>> CITY COUNCIL.

I HAD THEIR LAST NIGHT.

WE THE POLICE UNION PRESIDENT JOHN CATANZARA AND THEN THE HEAD OF THE COMMUNITY COMMISSION POLICE OVERSIGHT AND KIND BILLY ANTHONY DRY THAT MIGHT COMPROMISE ON THIS CONTROVERSIAL ARBITRATION CLAUSE IN THE CONTRACT.

HERE THAT EXCHANGE FROM LAST NIGHT.

>> WE HAVE THE HIGH GROUND HERE.

WE HAVE THE STATUE ON OUR SIDE.

WE NEVER HAD TO GIVE AN INCH, BUT WE OFFERED IT ANYWAY.

AND THE CITY BASICALLY REJECTED IT BECAUSE IT WAS THEIR PROPOSAL OR NOTHING AT ALL AT THAT POINT.

BASED ON WHAT JOHN IS SAYING, THERE'S THERE'S SOME DAYLIGHT HERE.

SO I'M ACTUALLY HOPING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT HOW WE CAN FIX THIS.

I WAS AS A BACKGROUND FOR VIEWERS.

THIS CLAUSE WHERE AN ARBITRATOR RULED THAT U.S.

MOST SERIOUS MISCONDUCT CASES CAN GO.

>> CLOSED DOORS AT TO AN ARBITRATOR HAS OPPOSED POLICE BOARD IN THE PUBLIC CITY COUNCIL HAS TO VOTE ON THIS CLAUSE TO MORE THAN 83 FENCE MAJORITY TO REJECT WHERE THE VOTES.

SO IT'S GOOD QUESTION.

SO I I I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE ARE 30 VOTES TO SORT OF PROJECT THIS MEASURE.

>> HOWEVER, THERE ARE MANY MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL WHO BELIEVE IT MUCH TOO DIFFICULT TO FIRE FIRE OFFICERS WHO ARE FOUND TO BE GUILTY OF SERIOUS MISCONDUCT.

AND JUST TOO HARD TO SUSPEND THEM FOR SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF TIME.

SO THAT IS SORT OF THE CROSS CURRENTS OF THIS.

SO ON THE AGENDA TOMORROW IS 11 MILLION DOLLARS IN SETTLEMENTS OF POLICE MISCONDUCT.

>> INCLUDING 2 FATAL POLICE SHOOTING THAT CLAIMED THE LIVES OF PEOPLE.

SO THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF DEBATE, A LOT OF EMOTION OVER THIS ISSUE.

BUT IF THIS IS RATIFIED, MEANS THAT THE CHICAGO POLICE BOARD, WHICH HAS BEEN FUNCTIONING FOR 60 YEARS, WILL ESSENTIALLY NO LONGER THEY'LL HAVE NO FUNCTION ANYMORE.

IF THIS IS RATIFIED, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES.

A MAN OF AN ICKY.

HEATHER, THANKS VERY MUCH.

>> AND NEXT, WE VISIT IN OUR CONVERSATION WITH TELEVISION PIONEER NORMAN LEAR.

BUT FIRST, WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE WEATHER.

>> ONE WEEK AGO, TELEVISION PIONEER NORMAN LEAR DIED AT AGE 101.

IN 2015.

WE'RE VISITING CHICAGO TONIGHT FOR AN EXTENDED CONVERSATION WITH PHIL PONCE.

THEY DISCUSSED THE IMPACT LIRR'S GROUNDBREAKING SHOWS HAD ON AMERICAN CULTURE, INCLUDING GOOD TIMES TO PROVOKE OF SITCOM BASED ON A FICTIONAL CHICAGO FAMILY LIVING IN CABRINI GREEN.

TAKE A LOOK.

>> I MEAN, YOU THINKING I WANT TO CHANGE THE LANDSCAPE OR ARE YOU AS YOU SAID EARLIER, JUST WORKING HARD TO GET THE PRODUCT OUT, MAKE IT WITH THIS WHAT WAS WHAT WAS GOING ON.

>> I I'M NOT.

>> YOU SUGGESTING FOR A MOMENT THAT WE DIDN'T US AND WE WERE BEING SUCCESSFUL, BUT IT WASN'T WHAT THOSE DAYS WERE ABOUT WHAT THOSE DAYS WERE ABOUT WAS WORKING HARD TO GET THE NEXT EPISODE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS ASKED ALL THE TIME IN THAT PERIOD.

WANT THE STRESS MUST TERRIBLE.

IT IT CAUSED ME TO THINK THERE IS STRESS?

AND THEN THERE WAS JOY STRETCHES.

AND THIS WAS JOYFUL STRESS BECAUSE EACH AND EVERY THING THAT STRESS US RESULT AND PLEASING AN AUDIENCE OF 240 LIVE PEOPLE SITTING 20 FEET AWAY FROM ME PERFORMANCE.

GOOD TIMES WITH SAID HERE, CHICAGO READING GREEN HOUSING PROJECT.

>> REMEMBER HOW THE DECISION WAS MADE TO SET THAT SHOW HERE IN CHICAGO?

IT COULD BE DEGREE.

THERE WERE 2 YOUNG BLACK WRITERS WHO WHO LIVED HERE.

ONE OF THEM.

I'M SURE MY HERE.

AND SO HE BROUGHT.

BRINGING GREAT TO MY ATTENTION.

I WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT.

YOU ALSO WRITE THAT THERE WAS OFTEN TREMENDOUS PUSH AND PULL WITH TO ROLAND.

DESCRIBED THE 2 LEAD ACTORS.

WHAT WAS THAT PUSH AND PULL ABOUT?

IT WAS IN MY OPINION ABOUT.

I MEAN, TAKING THE RESPONSIBILITY AND THE WEIGHT OF THAT RESPONSIBILITY ON THESE 2 PEOPLE THEY REPRESENTED.

NOT THEY WERE THE FIRST BLACK FAMILY PARENTS ON TELEVISION.

THOSE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WERE WATCHING THEM REFLECTING WHAT BLACK LIFE ISN'T AMERICA AND WHAT PARENT WHO IT IS AND SUPPORT.

THAT WAS A HEAVY RESPONSIBILITY.

I THINK AS HUMAN BEINGS WHO ARE CARRYING THAT WEIGHT.

IT WAS TOO MUCH AT TIMES.

THEY FIGHT YOU.

FOR EXAMPLE, THEY DID NOT WANT TO DO A SEGMENT DEALING WITH WITH THE WHOLE NOTION OF TEENAGE PREGNANCY.

YES, VERY THEIR DAUGHTER WAS ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN ON TELEVISION AT THE TIME.

AND WE WANT DEAL WITH HIM.

FACT THAT ISSUE WAS I THINK ABOUT IT.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I UNDERSTOOD BUT IT'S CERTAINLY CLEAR TO ME NOW THAT THE WEIGHT OF THAT RESPONSIBILITY.

WHAT IF WE MADE A MISTAKE AND REFLECTED SOMETHING?

HOW AFRICAN-AMERICANS WOULD HANDLE THAT SITUATION.

YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THE CHARACTER MAUDE WAS THE CLOSEST TO YOU IN WHAT WAYS.

>> BECAUSE MINE WAS THE OPPOSITE CARROLL O'CONNOR POLITICALLY.

SHE WAS A LOUDMOUTH AND A BIG, YOU KNOW, AND A LOT TO SAY.

BUT DIDN'T.

SHE WASN'T A STUDENT.

OR A SCHOLAR SHE DIDN'T KNOW THE ISSUES THE WAY SHE NEEDED TO AND THAT'S WHO I AM.

YOU KNOW, I AM I I I TALK ABOUT MYSELF THINK ABOUT MY SO TRULY AS AS BLEEDING HEART CONSERVATIVE.

>> I READ THAT.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY BLEEDING HEART CONCERT?

>> THE BLEEDING.

HARD PART I GET I DO CARE ABOUT EVERYBODY THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN EVEN BREAK IN THIS COUNTRY THAT PROMISES EQUAL JUSTICE, EQUAL FAIRNESS CENTER AND AT THE SAME TIME HE WILL NOT MESS WITH MY FIRST AMENDMENT.

MY OF RIGHTS, MY CONSTITUTION, MY DECLARATION.

THAT'S THOSE ARE CONSERVATIVE OPINION SEMI AND A POINT OF VIEW, MORE CONSERVATIVE YOU KNOW.

BE RATED THE FACT WE PROMISE OR OR YOU DON'T.

AND SHOULD SAY THE FACT THAT PROMISES ARE NOT KEPT >> THAT'S THE LATE NORMAN LEAR WITH PHIL PONCE AND CHICAGO TONIGHT BACK IN 2015, YOU CAN SEE THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION ON OUR WEBSITE.

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