TIM: WELCOME BACK.

OUR GUEST THIS WEEK IS THE NEW DEMOCRATIC CHAIR OF THE HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE REPRESENTATIVE ANGELA WITWER.

OUR LEAD STORY, THE PROPOSAL THREE COALITION TAKES A VICTORY LAP.

ON THE OTR PANEL, SIMON SCHUSTER, LAUREN GIBBONS, AND KYLE MELINN.

SIT IN WITH US AS WE GOT THE INSIDE OUT, OFF THE RECORD.

ANNOUNCER: PRODUCTION OF OFF THE RECORD IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY MARTIN WAY MUIR, A FULL SERVICE AGENCY PART THING WITH CLIENTS THROUGH DIGITAL MARKET AND PUBLIC POLICY ENGAGE AM LEARN MORE AT MARTIN WAY BY OFF THE RECORD WITH TIM SKUBICK THANKS VERY MUCH AND WELCOME TOLL STUDIO C ANOTHER EDITION OF OFF THE RAILROADED AND ROLL RIGHT ALONG HER AS WE PUT A CAP ON THE REST OF THIS YEAR HERE SHORTLY THEN A POLLING DATA WHO SAYS JOE BIDEN AND DONALD TRUMP ROOM TOT THE SAME GUYS E WERE WHEN THEY SHOWED UP A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

LET'S LOOK AT THE NUMBERS?

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN POPULAR IN MICHIGAN UP UNTIL NOW.

EVEN THOUGH MR. TRUMP LOST TO MICHIGAN IN 2020 HE MANNED TO GROW THE PORT HERE BY IMPRESSING 2-00,000 OVER 2019.

BUT THIS MICHIGAN POLLSTER HAS DATA TAT THAT SNG GES MR. TRUMP IS LOSING VOTES NOW.

>> DONALD TRUMP SHOULD BE WORRIED.

IN THE PAST VIRTUALLY EVERY NORTH OF CLARE HAS BEEN SOLID TRUMP COUNTRY BUT THE POPLAR TY NOW DWINDLE IN THE BAY REGION 39% HAVE FAVORABLEP PRESSION 50% DON'T.

WEST MICHIGAN 37-51 AREN'T HERE CENTRAL MICHIGAN 39-54 AND DEAN TROIT 22% VERSUS 78% ITS YOU FROM THAT 35% OF THE REPUBLICANS TILL WANT HIM TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT.

BUT THAT ALSO MEANS 5% DO NOT.

AND PHYSICIAN THERE IS A REMATCH CONTINUE THE PRESIDENT AND MR. TRUMP IN MICHIGAN MR. BIDEN WINS BY 7 POINTS.

AND MR. TRUMP WILL ALSO HAVE MORE PROBLEMS REPUBLICAN CHALLENGERS AS HE REASON FOR PRESIDENT AGAIN AND HE IS NOT DOING WELL IN THAT FRONT.

>> TRUMP IS CRATING EVEN MORE AS YOU NOW HAVE IN ONE NEW POLL A 20-POINT LEAD BETWEEN DESANTIS OVER TRUMP.

TIM: IN TREV PREVIOUS ELECTIONS MR. TRUMP HAD A LOCK ON HIGH SCHOOL VOTE.

NOW 35NT THOSE GIVE HIM A FAVORABLE RATING.

MR. TRUMP ALWAYS GOT MORE MEN THAN WOMEN BUT NOW 39% OF THE MEN NOT THINKING FAVORABLY ABOUT HIM.

>> I AM NOT SURE THAT TRUMP IS GOING TO BE ABLE RECOVER.

DON'T FOR GOT THE FAVORABILITY RATING DONALD TRUMP DROPPED BY TEN POINTS BY MORE THAN TEN POINTS IN THE VARVABLE FAVORABILITY RATE AND UP TO 58% UNFAVORABLE RATING.

TO BE SURE, MR. TRUMP GETS GOOD MARKS IN GENERAL BUT IF THIS DATA IS CORRECT, IN THE MUCH OF THE REST OF THE VOTING PUBLIC DOESN'T VIEW.

IN A FAVORABLE WHICH AND THE ONLY GROUP THAT COMES CLOSES TO SUPPORTING HIM THAT 50% ARE MEN WITH CHILDREN AT 48%.

EVERYBODY IS BELOW 50.

SO LET'S KEEP IN MIND THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN HEAR BEFORE.

HE HAS BEEN DOWN AND OUT AND GET OF THE MAT AND COMES BACK.

THAT IS WHAT GOING ON HERE?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

THINK THAT KIND OF SPEAKS TO MICHIGAN'S UNIQUE ELECTORAL TERRITORY THEN SPEAKS TO THE TENSIONS WITHIN THE PARTY FOU AS IN TERMS OF WHAT IS NEXT.

AND I THINK MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE FACT COULD BE THAT THE DELEGATES OF THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION MAY NOT MATTER IN 2024 IF WE CHANGE THE ORDER WITHOUT THE CONSENT.

>> YEAH THERE IS A NEW FACTORS THEN POTENTIAL PRIMARY AND RON DESANS IS POPLAR YOU SAW IN ARE DAR HE WON A COME MANNING VICTORY FOR RE-ELECTION HERE IN MICHIGAN THE REPUBLICANS STATEWIDE TICKET JUST WAS NOT SUPPORTED AND DEMOCRATS SWEPT THE TABLE HERE SO I THINK I THINK TRUMP HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS TO DEAL WITH GOING INTO 2024 THAN HE HAS.

>> WELL I JUST THINK HE NEEDS A DIFFERENT MESS AND IF HE WANTS TO BET GOING ON THE HORSING NOW THE HIS YOU KNOW, HE HAS BEEN A BRANDING KIND OF CANDIDATE I MEAN, JUST GOING BACK TO TRUMP'S STAKES I MEAN, IT US ALL ABOUT BRANNING FOR DONALD TRUMP ANDING NOW THE BRAN IS LOSER.

HE TOOK A BATH IN.

IT'S THE LAST ELECTIONS HERSCHEL WALKER LOST IN RM GO IN THE MOST RECENT ONE AND IT IS JUST, YOU KNOW, REPUBLICANS LIKE TRUMP.

BUT THEY LIKE TO WIN, TOO.

AND IN FACT, THEY LIKE TO WIN MORE THAN THEY LIKE TRUMP HIMSELF THEY LIKE TRULLP BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN A WINNER.

NOW HE IS NOT A WINNER.

UNTIL HE CAN EITHER CHANGE THE MESSAGE OR DO SOMETHING TO GET HIM TO LOOK MORE LIKE A WINNER, HIS NUMBERS WITH IL CONTINUE TO CRATER.

TIM: DON'T YOU THINK HIS PEOPLE ARE WITH HIM WIN OR LOSES?

>> NO.

NO.

TIM: YOU THINK THE TRILLIONERS UP NORTH OF CLARE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS GY?

>> LOOK.

NOT THAT THEY DON'T LIKE HIM.

BUT THEY WANT TO WIN.

THE WHOLE POINT OF BEING IN A POLITICAL PARTY SO YOU CAN BE IN CONTROL.

NO ONE WANTS TO BE A PART OF LOSING TEAM.

NO ONE WANTS TO BE A PART OF A LOOING TEAM.

RIGHT NOW HE IS NOT WINNING.

HE IS LOSING IF.

TIM: IF THAT'S WITH A THE CASE, KYLE.

I GET YOUR POINT THEN THE PEOPLE GOING STATE CONVENTION TO PICK A NEW CHAIR WOULD NOT BE PKING TWO PEOPLE THAT WERE LOSERS.

>> THAT IS RIGHT.

THAT IS WHY WE DON'T HAVE A CONSENSUS CAN DATE NOW.

THAT IS WHY EVERYONE IS LOOKING AROUND SAYING GOSH WHO IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT CANDIDATE AND GOING TO LEAD US TO VACS ARE WE DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS YET.

>> I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE HERE HE HE IS HE DOES HAVE HIS HARD CORE SUPPORTER AS YOU ARE PE FERRING TO.

THEY ARE NOT THE OUTRIGHT MAJORITY ANY MORE.

THERE IS AWILLING MORE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE WH WHICH ISR PERKING THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE AND REALIZING THAT YOU KNOW, PERHAPS PERSONALITIES ISN'T GOING FAR MUFF TO CONVINCE THOSE PENT PEPS THAT THEY SO DESLY NEED IN SWING STATE LIKE MICHIGAN SO I THINK THAT IS THE BIG THING HE STILL HAS THAT CORE SUPPORT THAT COULD DEF LISTEN I STILL IMPACT THE DELEGATES, THE P CHAIR HERE, AND DOES IT IM PA THE CANDIDATES THAT GET SUPPORTED WHO KNOWS?

WELL, CARLY ARE SOME REB CAPS WHO ARE HOPING HE WILL TANK.

YEAH.

CERTAINLY.

THINK THIS PEAKS TO THE DISTANCE HERE BETWEEN THE EXTENT AND THE INFLUENCE WHAT TRUMP HAS OVER INTERNAL REPUBLICAN POLITICS IN HI THEN PERHAPS THE POPLAR TY OR LACK THERE OF IN THE STATE.

THINK A FEW MONTHS AGO HE WAS PLAYING KINGMAKER IN REPUBLICAN PARTIES AND CAST ASIDE SO QUICKLY.

TIM: THE GOVERNOR HAD A ROUNDTABLE WITH SELECT JOURNALS MOPPING THEM KYLE MELINN, WHAT DID YOU LEARN WHAT I LEARNED ANY BILL SENT TO HER DURING LAMB DUCK IS NOT GOING TO BE SIGNED.

WELL, I KNOW THAT UNT DOESN'T SOUND SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE THE 55 BILLS THAT ARE GETTING SET ACCEPT AND MOSTLY DOG AND CATS AND RECYCLING PACK AND IN THERE THAT IS INTERESTING BUT WHAT IT SHOWS IS, WHAT IT HIGHLIGHTED TO ME IS THE CON CONTINUE CIOUS ATMOSPHERE TO WHICH THE REPUBLICAN LEM SLA TURE AND THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR OPERATED IN AND IN THIS PAST CYCLE AND THE 21-22 PEPPER AND THEN, HOW IS HISTORIC THIS WAS I WANT TO PUNK ATE HOW HISTORIC IT WAS AND SHE VETOED MORE BILLS IN HER FIRST FOUR YEARS IN PRICE TIM THAN ANY GOVERNOR GOING BACK TO WOOD BRIDGE IN 1013 AND GO FACT PUR THE BUT I CANNOT READ BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE INDEX THEN.

FERRIS TATE.

THAT GUY.

ALL RIGHT.

NO ONE VETOED MORE BILLS THAN GOVERNOR WHITMER IN THOSE FOUR YEARS AND NO LEGISLATURE KICKED OUT FEWER PUBLIC ACTS SINCE WE BECAME A FULL-TIME LG A TURE IN 1956-6.

TIM: ALSO JUST A HANDFUL OF DATES.

>> AND THEY MET FEWER DAYS THAN THE ERA OF A FULL-TIME LEGISLATURE.

SO WE HAVE HAD -- WE HAD A LEDGE LEGISLATURE THAT DID INT DID MEET.

THEN WE HADED A GOVERNOR WHO RETOWEDDED WHAT THEY DID DO.

THIS HAS BEEN A FUTILE LEGISLATURE AND GOVERNOR COMBO OF HISTORIC PROPORTIONS.

YAOS DO THE GOVERNOR MAKE A POINT?

DOES EVERY BILL HAVE TO BE NEGOTIATION PI HER OFFICE IN ORDER FOR HER SIGN IT?

>> POE LISTENINGLY IT WILL BE IN FROM EING TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS WITH THE LEM DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATURE.

TIM: RIGHT.

>> IT MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE EVERY SINGLE BILL, RATING?

IT MAY BE LIKE, OH WAY OK, SHE SEES THIS AND COME TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

WITH THE REPUBLICAN-LED LEGISLATURE THEY HAD A ROCKY START.

THEY HAD A ROCKY RELATIONSHIP THROUGHOUT.

SO I THINK I THINK THIS WAS A LOT OF COME HICATION THEN ITS IMPORTANT TO NOTE, TOO.

THE PANDEMIC OBVIOUSLIES WITHS A HUGE FACTOR REALLY KNOCKED THE ALMOST LA TAUR TO THE KNEES FOR AWHILE AND NEVER STARTED MEETING REMOTELY OR ANSWER LENGTHIC TO THATY.

WHEN YOU START OUT WITH THAT AND THAT FACTORED IN, THEN YOU NO, IT CERTAINLY HARD TO GET THE LO MACHINE TUM YOU EID TO DO THESE MAJOR PACKAGES.

>> SIMON IN THAT DIG SHE TALKED ABOUT GRIEVING UP THE STATE LOBBYING LAWS.

ECHO WHEN SHE RAN FOR OFFICE.

>> YEAH CERTAINLY.

THIS HAS BEEN A TRANSPARENCY IN LANSING FOR A LONG TIME.

YOU KNOW INCLUDING ONGOING SCANDAL.

YEAH.

AND SO ONE THES THIS I THINK I WILL BE WATCHING COSILY IN THE PRODUCTION OF THIS IS IMPLEMENTATION OF PRESSIONAL ONE RATHER PART OF VOTERS FOR FINANCE ALL LEP PEPS THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE STUFF.

WELL.

CORRECT BASICALLY WINDOW DRESSING.

WELL THIS IS THE THING THAT A LOT OF IT IS VAGUE NOT A LOT OF REQUIRE AMS BAKED IN THAT SO THE GOVERNOR EXPRESSED SOMEPORT IN THIS FOR IN WITH AING TO SEE THESE THINGS AND MADE MORE ROBUST THE PROOF IN THE BUDDING HERE.

WELL SHE WANTSES TO HAVE THE SAME RULE ARE THE GOVERNOR'S FIS AND APPLIED TO THE LEGISLATURE AND IF YOU ARE REMEMBER WITH THE LEGISLATURE WANTED TO DID AND CREATE THEIR OWN FOIL WILL YOU AND THEY CALLED IT SOMETHING ELSE.

THANKS.

AND SO THE GOVERNOR.

LOVE IT RIGHT.

THE GOVERNOR SAID NO NO NO NO YOU DON'T GET YOUR OWN LAW ALL RIGHT.

IF YOU ARE IF YOU ARE SUBREJECTING HE ME YOU ARE SUBJECT Z ALE WITH IN THE HISTORICALLY HAS NOT WANTED TO DO THAT BECAUSE CERTAIN DOCUMENTS THEY HAVE NOT IN WITH AD TO RELEASE.

GO AHEAD.

>> I THAT IS IMPORTANT POINT THE THING I AM MOST INTERESTED INS THE AMOUNT OF TRAVEL THAT ARE NOT DISCLOSE AND PAYING TO TRADE AND NONE OF IT COPS TO PUBLIC LIGHT IN THE THE DARK MONEY ACCOUNT MUCH AS THE WITHIN USED NONE OF THAT IS BAKED INTO PROPOSAL ONE AND UP TO THE LEGISLATURE TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT THE PUBLIC TO SEE THOSE FUN OR NOT.

THEN I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT DEMOCRATS DO WITH IT.

THEY ARE THE SLIM MAY AREAP BEATING FOR SO LONG AND DOING THAT IS A LOT DF REN THAN DOING IT FROM THE MAYOR I.

NOW YOU ARE GETTING ATTENTION.

YES.

AND THE OTHER THING IS TOO THIS IS A BIPARTISAN SHALL SHA THEN SEEING DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICANS AND SEEING WHAT A LOT WOULD SAY IS GOOD RACK IS.

SO WHEN ARE DIGGING OUT ALL OF THIS STUFF AND IT COULD ABBEY PAR SAN BIPARTISAN ISSUE ON THE LAWMAKER'S PART SO I THINK IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN PUSHING FOR THESE THINGS THROUGHOUT THE SEVERAL YEARS AND CAN GET THIS ACROSS THE FINISH LYNN THIS TIME.

>> IT JUST PUZ PLING THAT IF EVERY OTHER STATE COULD DO THIS WHY CAN'T MICHIGAN.

>> WELL BECAUSE WE CAN'T AGREE ON SOMETHING AND DIDN'T AGREE IT IS PRIORITY ALSO.

IT SPEAKS TO HOW POPULAR AND HOW POWERFUL LOBBYISTS ARE IN MICHIGAN ITSELF AND WHEN YOU ARE WIN AND DINE AND COUNT ON CALL ON ROBBIE USES TO PKP HE FAB TO THIS MEAL OR THAT MEAL OR HOOK ME UP AND HOOK ME UP FOR TICKETS TO THAT THEN I MEAN YOU DON'T WANT TO GET RID OF THE GRAVY TRAIN WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO?

YOU CAN PASS SOMETHING THE OTHER CHAM BAR IS GOING TO KILL IT.

THEN YOU KNOW, LIFE GUESS ON ASOCIAL YOU DON'T WANT TO GET RID OF THAT YOU CAN'T BECAME THEM.

WHAT ARE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY ARING TO PUSH BACK ON LIKE IF YOU ARE GOING TO PUT TIGHTER REGULATION ON US THEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN CORPORATE WORLD WHO ARE CALLING YOU AND LOBBYING YOU THEY SHOULD BE SUBJECTED TO THE SEAM LAWS TOO WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO DO ALL THESE REPORTS IF THE O OF SOME COMPANY CAN GIVE YOU A CAN TON THE PROSECUTOR AND ORANGE TO YOU VOTE YES OR NO ON A BILL AND SHOULD BE LOBBYING THING AS WELL AND THEY SHOULD ARE TO REPORT.

THE BIGGEST QUESTION HEIRESS HOW DO YOU POLICE ALL OF THIS?

YOU KNOW?

YOU DON'T?

WELL, YOU KNOW?

I I THINK YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WONDERING HOW IT WOULD WORK.

AND A LOT OF STATES HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR DECADES RIGHT?

AND NOT TO SAY THIS IS FESS ARLEY A GOLD STAR TKER CERTAINLY EVERY STATE HAS HAIR PROBLEMS BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK, THINK I JUST LOOK TO THE NEIGHBORS, LOOK TO THE BEST PRACTICE EXAMPLES AROUND THE COUNTRY JUST TO GET IDEA AND I THINK THIS IDEA THAT SOME PEOPLE PUT FORWARD THAT YOU OH, OH WE ARE NOT SURE HOW IT WITH A LOOK HERE.

YOU PROBABLY CAN GET A GOOD IDEA.

>> TRY IT OUT AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, GO BACK TO FIX IT.

YOU GOT TOT TRY SOMETHING.

ALL RIGHT TRY NOW TALKING TO THE NEW HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS CHIR AND THE DEMOCRATIC IF A THE FIRST TESTIMONY APE LONG TIME WELL DOM THE PROGRAM ANOYOU ARE IN THE WEATHER AND SO LET'S START OUT WITH EASY QUESTION AS CHAIR OF THE APROP AS YOU ARE SITTING ON $7 BILLION AND HOW MUCH OF THAT ARE YOU WILLING TO SET ASIDE OF A TAX BREAK OF A FORM YET TO BE DETERMINED?

>> WELL, ACTUALLY ROOKING AT A COUPLE OF TAX BREAKS TO HP THE PEM AND ONE OF THEM GOVERNOR HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOUR YEARS WHICH IS THE PENSION TAX AND WOULD COST PROBABLY WERE A $300 MILLION AND ALSO LOOKING AT EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT RAISING THAT LEM MIT UP WHICH ALSO WOULD COST ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY.

AND SOMETHING THAT THE TAX WAS TAKEN A I WAY FROM PEOPLE WHO PLANNED THEIR WHOLE LIFE AND WERE VERY INTERESTED IN HELPING SENIORS OUT AND REPEALING THE PENSION TAX.

REPRESENTATIVES ARE YOU WILLING TO SET ASIDE ADDITIONAL POT OF MACHINE NY TO ROLL BACK WHICH THE REPUBLICANS WANT?

>> WE HAVE NOT ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT IT AND HAVING TO RETREAT THE FIRST WEEK OF JANUARY AND WILL BE GETTING TOGETHER WITH THE GOVERNOR AND WITH THE SENATE MAJORITY LEADER AND TALKING ABOUT HAUL THE PRI ORS REGARDING TAX BREAKS BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THOSE TWO TAX GREATS ARE BEAK HEAVILY LOOKED AT HOW.

>> BUT DO YOU PERSONALLY WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DEAL WITH THEM ON ROLL BACK THE INCOME TAX RATE?

>> I AS BEEN WILLING TO DEAL WITH REPUBLICAN THEN I HAVE WORKED IN BIPARTISAN FASHION SO I WOULD BE WILLING TO LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY AND SEE IF IT WORKS OUT FOR THE STATE.

LAUREN?

>> TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WHAT ABORTION LABS LIKE IN POTENTIAL BUDGETS WE HAVE SEEN THAT COME UP IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUDGET CYCLE THEN TRIED TO INSERT FUNDING FOR THINGS THAT DEMOCRATSES DID AGREED WITH.

DO YOU SEE ANY NEED IN THE APPROPRIATE AND IS CYCLE AND BE BEYOND THE PROP 3 PRI EN TATION AND ANYTHING SPA SICK IN TERMS OF ABORTION FUNDING OR YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE COMING UP IN THAT BUNCH OF PROCESS.

>> I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY IN THIS COMING UP AS OF YET.

THERE WAS SOME TALK THE OTHER DAY ABOUT FA CYCLE I TY UPGRADES BUT OTHER THAN THAT NOTHINGS A BEEN TALKED ABOUT YET.

>> REPRESENTATIVE WHAT WILL THE PUBLIC SEE DIFFERENT FROM DEMOCRATIC MAYOR I TY THAN THEY SAW FROM THE MAJORITY THESE LAST 10-12 YEARS THIS I THINK YOU WILL SURREAL FOCUS ON THE PEOPLE AND ON THE ECONOMY.

WHERE I AM GOING TO DO A GOOD BALANCE BETWEEN BRINGING JOBS TO THE STATE AS YOU ALL KNOW THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE ONES THAT PUSHED OVER THE VOTE FOR THE FUND AND WE WERE THE ONESES THAT WERE ABLE TO SAVE AND KEEP GENERAL MOTORS IN OUR STATE AND WE WILL BE CONTINUING THAT FOCUS AND CONTINUING WORK TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF MICHIGAN THE WORKERS OF MICHIGAN AND OUR ENVIRONMENT.

SUPPLEMENTAL SPENDING BILL AND WITHOUT THE BE BLICK HAVING A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM AND MAKE ANY COMMITMENTS TOWARD MORE OPEN AND THESES HAVE MORE OF YOU.

THINK MAKE FOR FOR A BETTER GOVERNMENT AND I THINK, I ABC YOULY DON'T MIND THAT AND IT IS HUMAN PROCESS AND I SPOKE WITH FEW OF THE PAST BUDGET APPROPRIATIONS CHAIRS LAKE MYSELF AND ASKED THEM BETTER WAYS TO DO THINGS AND I AM LOOKING AT THOSE RIGHT NOW.

>> REPRESENTATIVE WHEN YOU WATCHED REPRESENTATIVE TOM ALBERT RUN THE HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE WHAT DID YOU LEARN NOT TO DO?

>> I LEARNED TO COME IN KATE BETTER.

I LEARNED TO WORK TOGETHER BETTER AND EM PO WITH YOU THE CHAIRS TO WORK ON THE OWN BUDGETS TO BRING IT FORWARD TO WORK WITH ME ON ENTIRE BUDGET THEN I THINK A LOT OF LACK OF BIARE SAN WORK AND A LOOK OF OPENNESS AND I DIDN'T WANT, I AM NOT THAT PERSON AND WOULD NOT WORK THAT WAY.

>> WHY WOULD YOU GO BEFORE YOU ANSWERED?

>> IT WAS SOUNDS LIKE A DIFFICULT COUPLE OF YEARS.

FROM WHAT I HAVE BEEN IN COVERINGNG THIS WAS OTHER PEOPLE AND SOUNDS LOOK IT HAS BEEN VERY DIFFICULT TIME BETWEEN THES TAN THE IN THE AND THE HOUSE.

WE ARE MAAING HISTORY ON THE OR SITED OF THE CHAM PER YOUR PREN WHO USE TO BE THE HOUSE SHARING THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE THERE AND THE TWO OF YOU SENATOR ANTHONY AND YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW YOU DO THIS TOGETHER?

>> WE ACTUALLY HAVE TALKED SEVERAL TIMES WE WORK IN THED A JOINING DISTRICTS NOW MY SENATOR AND EATTON COUNTY WHERE I LIVE IS NOW GONE COMPLETELY BLUE AND SENATOR ANTHONY NOW AND I WILL BE WORKING TOGETHER WITH OUR CHAIRS AND WITH OUR ENTIRE COMMITTEE IN GETTING THEM TOGETHER SO THEY HAVE MUCH BER PARTNERSHIP WITH EACH OTHER A GOOD RELATIONSHIP SO PUT TECT A GOOD BUDGET AND PUTTING THAT TOGETHER ON TIME.

>> GOING BACK TO THE TAX CONVERSATION WHAT ON HE TABLE WHEN IT COMES TO STRUCTURE FUNDING ARE YOU WILLING TO LOOK AT WHAT WE GOT GOING NOW AND ANTICIPATE POTENTIAL INCREASES OR SHOVE LISTENING AROUND TO GET MORE MONEY FOR ROADS?

>> WE HAVEN'T.

I WAS LOOKING OVER SOME OF THE STATEMENTS THAT GO GOVERNOR MADE AND NOT GOING TO BE LOCKING AT ANY INCREASEP TAXES AND WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT EF RESPECT WAYS THAT OTHER STATES HAVE DOPE THINGS AND BRING SOME THINGS FOR WE'RE AND LOOKS LIKE THE GOVERNOR'S CURRENTLY LOCKING AT ASSIEGE PER MILE AND WE'LL LOOK TO LOOK AT SOMETHING EVENTUALLY AND WE HAVE ISSUES AND REFER WITHIN KNOWS THE ROAD ISSUES THEN IF YOU DRIVE IN MY DISTRICT AND THERE IS A ROBB WITH CULVERTS AND FARMING HAS MAJOR ISSUES GETTING DOWN THEIR ROADS BECAUSE COVERTS ARE OUT AND SO THERE IS A FULL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WEED THE TO LOOK AT FUNDING.

>> REPRESENTATIVE HISTORICALLY THE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS HAS BEEN THE MOST DISFUNCTIONAL OF THE FOUR LEGISLATURE AND THE HOS AND THE KNIT AND THE HOUSE AND THE REPUBLICAN DEMOCRATS HOW DO YOU GET ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT VIEW POINTS TOGETHER AND NOT HAVE FACTIONS AS WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST FOR THE HOUSE DEMOCRATS?

>> WITH, I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU FIRST OF A UL.

THE ON THING I HAVE EXPERIENCED IS DYSFUNCTIONAL REPUBLICAN PARTY RIGHT NOW AND IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN AND WE ACTUAL HI HAVE QUATE AT CLOSED YOU CUSS SOS DO I BELIEVE THE IT?

AND SO WE LOOKING AT MIXING THE TWO UP AND BEING ABLE TO WORK CLOSELY TOGETHER AND OF COURSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS AND THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE THAT MAY NOT AGREE WITH FUNDING THEN THE MAR GNS ARE VERY CLOSE SO WE ARE GOING TO ARE TO WORK ON BRINGING FORTH GOOD ISSUES AND BEING ABLE TO PRIG THAT SMALL HR DEN THAN WE REASON THE HOUSE AND THE NATE.

REPRESENTATIVE CAN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT A BIT ABOUT HOW YOU VIEW YOUR ROLE BETWEEN THE EXECUTIVE OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR AND THE CAUSECUSSION IN THE HOTS AND PLAYING REEDATOR OR SOMETHING ELSE?

>> I THINK WE'LL WORK AS A STROM TEAM TOGETHER.

I STARTED MEETING TALL HI WITH THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO AND ACTUALLY I HAVE A MED MEETING HE ASKED.

>> ED IN A COUPLE OF HOR THEN AGAIN TO BE ABLE TO TALK WAYS WE CAN BRING FORTH A GOOD BUDGET THEN PRIG FORTH ON TIME AND MAY NOT AHE WITH EVERYTHING IN THE BUDGET PROPOSAL.

AND WORK CLOSELY AND NONE THE GOVERNOR FOR A LOT OF YEARS THEN, WE WORK REALLY WELL TOGETHER.

>> WITH THE CAUCUS TO SPEED UP.

>> WE VERY NOT MET SO WE REMEETING LIKE I SAID AT THE FIRST PART OF JANUARY THEN SO FAR THERE HAS BEEN NO ISSUES WITH THE CAUCUS AT ALL WELL THE BUDGET.

>> AND ARE YOU WILLING TO SUPPORT A VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED APPROACH?

>> I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT YET, TIM.

WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT TO SAY THAT I SUPPORT IT OR DON'T SUPPORT IT.

I READ IT IN ARTICLE THAT YOU DISCUSSED EARLIER TODAY.

EARLIER IN THE SHOW.

AND I DO WANT TO LOOK AT THAT I KNOW OTHER STATES ARE LOOKING AT IT ALSO AS WE TRANSITION FROM GASOLINE TO ELECTRIC AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

>> WHAT OTHER FORMER SHARES HAVE YOU PICKED THEIR BRAINS WHO HAVE YOU TALKED TO?

>> I AM TALKING I HAVE BEEN TALKING A LOT TO SENATOR ACTUAL HI.

AND TALKING AND MY STAFF HAS BEEN TALKING TO HIS STAFF ALSO AND HE IS RIGHT IN THE CAPITAL STILL AND WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MEET LEG REGULARLY WITH HIM AND TALK TO HIM ABOUT HOW HE REASONS THE OFFICE AND WHAT IS THE PROCESS HES EGGS IN ABOUT GOING THROUGH AGE HOW HE WORKS WITH THE OTHER PARTY AND HE HAS BEEN VERY GOOD AT WORKING BIPARTISAN IN A BIPARTISAN FASHION SO I MET WITH HIM QUITE OF OFTEN.

WHAT HAS HE WHISPERED IN THE EAR AS ONE THING YOU NEED DID AS CHAIR?

>> I NEED TO TRUST MY MINORITY VICE CHAIR.

AND I WILL HAVE TO GET TO KNOW THAT PERSON WHEN THEY ASSIGN THEM BET ARE I AM SURE.

AND HAVE DISCUSSIONSES ABOUT TRUST AND INCOING SPEAKER OF HOUSE IS FORMER MAY REN ANNULS TACKS ABOUT WE WILL MOVE AT THE SPEED OF TRUST AND I HAVE A LOT OF GOOD FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE AND I AM HOPING THAT MINORITY VICE CHAIR OF APPROPRIATIONS AND I HAVE A STRONG TRUSTING RIP.

>> YOU ARE SHARING THAT COMMITTEE ON COMMITTEES DO YOU HAVE EVERYBODY IN THE SLOTTED OUT OR HOW CLOSE ARE YOU IN GETTING THAT DONE WE ACTUALLY HOLD THE LAST MEETING WITH PARTNERS TODAY SO WE HAVE BEEN BER VIEWING PEOPLE AROUND TOWN AND TALKING ABOUT COMMITTEE STRUCTURES AND COMMITTEE NAMES AND DO WE NEED SPECIFIC COMMITTEES ANY MORE THEN, THEN, WHO THEY WORKED WELL WITH AND WHO HAS SUBJECT MANNER EXPERT THEN WE ARE WORKING, WE ARE WORKING ON THE LAST MEETING TODAY AND THEN, WE WILL CONVENE THE COMMITTEE THE FIRST PART OF JANUARY THEN, RECK ENDAS FROM THE MEMBERS ARE COMING IN RIGHT NOW AND SHOULD HAVE THEM ALL BY THE END OF HEX WEEK AND THEN, THEN WE'LL CONVENE THE COMMITTEE IN THE SPEAKER WILL BLESS THEM AND WE'LL RECEIVE THEM PROBABLY THE WEEK OF OPENING DAY.

>> CAN WE REPORT THAT YOU ARE FOG REDUCE THE NUMBER OF COMMITTEES?

>> NO.

YOU CANNOT REPORT THAT.

WE COME BEND A COUPLE OF COMMITTEES BUT AD AED COUPLE OF SUBCOMMITTEES THAT PEOPLE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM SHARING WITH YOU THAT WE VERY A PROBLEM WITH HOUSING WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GENERAL MOTORS PLANT THAT IS GOING IN THE BT RY PLANT GOING ON IN MY DISTRICT AND THEY ESTIMATE A $4,000, $4 THE HOMES THAT ARE NEEDED FOR THAT PARTICULAR PLAN AND WE DON'T HAVE THEM.

SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT HOUSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR OUR STATE AND THEN THAT WOULD BE A SUBCOMMITTEE OFF OF I THINK GENERAL GOVERNMENT AND WE ARE GOING TO DO A SUBCOMMITTEE ON PE JAVIER HEALTH AND WE HAVE REAL PROBLEM AND HAPPENS TO BE THE TOP IN THIS THREE THINGS WE HEAR AT THE DOOR IN MY DISTRICT ALONE WE KNOCKED 150,000 DOORS AND I HEAR ABOUT UL THE TIME.

WE TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO BEHAVIOR HEALTH ON SOMEBODY COMMITTEE.

>> FOLLOWING UP ON KILL KYLE'S EARLIER QUESTION YOU GOT A LOT OF POLITICAL IN NONES HOW HOW DO DID YOU LAPSE THE NEEDS OF THOSE PRODESSORS VERSUS PEOPLE COMING FROM COMPETITIVE SEATS?

WE HAVE 12 COMPETITIVE SEATS ACTUALLY NOW BECAUSE OF THE LUNES BEING REDRUN AND WE ARE, TWO WITH THEM RIGHT NOW AND I AM ONE OF THEM.

AM ONE OF THEM.

I AM THE MARGINAL SEATS AND WE WORK WITH THEM AND ENTIRE TIME IN THE HOUSE ABOUT GOOD BILLS AND WHAT WE SLO DUESED THE GOOD THING WE HAVE IS WE ARE IN CHARGE.

SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO COME TOM THE FLOOR AND IF IT IS EXAMINING TO BE BAD FOR OUR MAR DENIAL MEMBERS THEN WE HAVE UNDERSTANDING CAUCUS SO WORKING TOWING IN MAKING SURE WE RETAIN MAJORITY.

REPRESENTATIVE THANK YOU FOR DOING THE PROGRAM WE HOP YOU GET BETTER AND HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY AND WILL YOU BE MY LEAK IN THIS CONS CONFERENCE HOLD IN IN JANUARY?

>> NO.

[LAUGHTER] NO.

>> OK I HAD TO ASK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE.

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MICHIGAN PUBLIC TELEVISION STATIONS HAVE CON PURCHASE BUTTED TO THE PRODUCTION COSTS OF OFF THE RECORD.