Donnybrook
December 13, 2018
Season 2018 Episode 48 | 55m 25sVideo has Closed Captions
Charlie Brennan debates with Wendy Wiese, Bill McClellan, Alvin Reid and Ray Hartmann.
Charlie Brennan debates with Wendy Wiese, Bill McClellan, Alvin Reid and Ray Hartmann.
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Donnybrook
December 13, 2018
Season 2018 Episode 48 | 55m 25sVideo has Closed Captions
Charlie Brennan debates with Wendy Wiese, Bill McClellan, Alvin Reid and Ray Hartmann.
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HEY, THANKS TO JOINING US FOR ANOTHER EDITION OF DONNYBROOK.
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THANKS TO OUR FRIENDS AT THE GATESWORTH FOR MAKING THIS PROGRAM POSSIBLE AS YOU DO WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT AND LET'S SAY HELLO TO THOSE ASSEMBLED AROUND THE TABLE FOR THIS EDITION ARE STARTING WITH THE MEDIA VETERAN HERSELF, WENDY WIESE OF KTRS AND BEYOND.
MR.
BILL McCLELLAN FROM THE ST.
LOUIS POST-DISPATCH.
ONE OF OUR FOUNDERS, HE'S RAY HARTMANN.
AND FROM STLMAG.COM AND THE ST.
LOUIS AMERICAN AND BEYOND, ALVIN REID, AND BEFORE WE BEGIN THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT, LET'S REMIND OR MAYBE INFORM OUR VIEWERS THAT TOMORROW NIGHT, BETWEEN 5:00 AND 7:00 AT THE SCHNUCKS RICHMOND HEIGHTS, WE'LL BE RINGING THE BELLS FOR THE SALVATION ARMY AND WE HOPE AS MANY OF YOU AS POSSIBLE CAN COME BY.
WE REACH OUT TO YOU.
PLEASE COME OUT AND SAY HELLO AND RAISE SOME MONEY FOR A WONDERFUL CAUSE.
GIVE ALL THE CHILDREN A MERRY CHRISTMAS.
ABSOLUTELY.
THAT'S TOMORROW, 5:00 TO 7:00, SCHNUCKS, RICHMOND HEIGHTS.
ALVIN REID, RAN INTO YOU TODAY ALONG WITH CONGRESSMAN LACY CLAY.
THE TWO OF YOU IN DOWNTOWN ST.
LOUIS FOR DIFFERENT THINGS, SO IT'S COULD IT'S DAYTONA TAL THAT WE RAN -- COINCIDENTAL THAT WE RAN INTO EACH, BUT CONGRESSMAN CLAY WAS DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THIS WAS THE DAY THAT THE CITY OF ST.
LOUIS TRANSFERRED THE LAND TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR I GUESS THE TRANSFER OF THE NATIONAL GEOSPATIAL AGENCY FROM SOUTH ST.
LOUIS TO NORTH ST.
LOUIS.
TODAY THE LAND THAT WILL BE THE NEW SITE FOR THIS FACILITY IS OFFICIALLY FEDERAL PROPERTY.
AND I THOUGHT I WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT THAT THE CITY ACTUALLY HAS SPENT AT LEAST $120 MILLION, WHICH IT WILL RECAPTURE THROUGH THE EARNINGS TAX, TO PREPARE THE LAND FOR THIS SITE.
$120 MILLION.
MEANWHILE, APPLE ANNOUNCED THAT IT'S MOVING TO AUSTIN, TEXAS, GOING TO HAVE A BILLION-DOLLAR FACILITY AND 5,000 JOBS AND AUSTIN IS GIVING ZERO DOLLARS, TAX INCENTIVES TO APPLE.
YOU THINK TIMES WE'RE GIVING AWAIT CANDY STORE?
WELL, BEFORE WE GO INTO THAT, I HAVE TO POINT OUT THAT CONGRESSMAN CLAY WAS THERE TO SEE CAROL DANIEL AND I WAS ON DAVE LOVE'S SHOW AND CHARLIE PUT US BOTH TO WORK FOR HIM A TRUE STORY.
YOU WEREN'T FORCED.
NO, ALWAYS A PLEASURE.
BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS IN ST.
LOUIS AND WE WERE COMPETING NOT WITH A NATIONAL ENTITY, BUT OTHER SIGHTS AROUND THE REGION -- SITES AROUND THE REGION, SO JUST CLEARING THIS LAND, ESPECIALLY LAND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF ST.
LOUIS, $120 MILLION, TO ME THAT'S NOT THE SAME AS GIVING AWAY THE CANDY STORE.
THAT'S A SOUND INVESTMENT ON A GOVERNMENTAL FACILITY WHICH IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO CLOSE, AND WHICH IN THESE DAYS AND TIMES I WOULD IMAGINE IS ONLY GOING TO GET BIGGER.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS ONE.
IT'S THE SAME STORY, DIFFERENT DAY.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT AUSTIN.
I MEAN -- EXACTLY.
AND AUSTIN, I BELIEVE, IS ONE OF THE METROPOLITAN AREAS WAY SMALLER THAN OURS THAT IF YOU PROJECT OUT MAYBE A DECADE OR TWO WILL BE AS LARGE AS ST.
LOUIS.
IT'S GROWING THAT QUICKLY.
AND THE FACT IS, WE ALL AGREE THAT CORPORATE WELFARE IS NOT A GREAT THING AND THAT UNTIL THERE'S SOME NATIONAL -- THIS IS GOVERNMENT WELFARE.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
THE TROUBLE IS, THIS IS A CITY TRYING TO AVOID BANKRUPTCY.
IT'S TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING IT CAN TO STAY ALIVE, AND IT'S JUST NOT -- IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES TO COMPARE IT TO AUSTIN.
BUT WE ARE A BIGGER CITY THAN AUSTIN.
WE HAVE A BIGGER WORKFORCE.
WE JUST GIVE ANYBODY WHO ASKS FOR IT, WHETHER IT'S THE ARCH DOWNTOWN OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT -- I DON'T KNOW OTHER CITIES THAT ARE SPENDING TAX DOLLARS FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!
WELL, ON THIS AUSTIN THING, CHARLIE, FIRST OF ALL, THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS GIVEN A BUNCH OF MONEY -- NO, NO, NOT A BUNCH, JUST 25 MILLION, WHICH IS A THIRD THAT CLAYTON IS GIVING CENTENE.
I DON'T THINK PEOPLE IN AUSTIN ARE THRILLED WITH THIS.
I HAVE A BROTHER-IN-LAW AND SISTER-IN-LAW WHO LIVE IN AUSTIN AND THEY'RE ALWAYS COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW THE TECH PEOPLE HAVE DRIVEN UP ALL THE PRICES AND AUSTIN IS NO LONGER WEIRD.
ED WEIRDNESS IS DRIVEN DOWN TO SAN MARCOS WHERE MY SON LIVES.
BUT AUSTIN IS CONGESTED AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT HAPPY ABOUT THIS.
WE'D BE THRILLED, BUT THE RIP GET RICHER.
THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.
AND DEIDRE O'BRIEN WHO MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY IN AUSTIN SPOKE OF THE EXISTING RELATIONSHIP THAT APPLE HAS IN TEXAS AND IN THAT AREA, AND I THINK -- I MEAN, WE CAN'T -- I DON'T THINK WE CAN UNDERESTIMATE THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT EITHER.
THAT WE'RE NOT KNOWN AS A TECH HUB YET.
I MEAN, MAYBE WE WILL, MAYBE WE WILL BE -- BUT I THINK IT'S PRETTY STRONG, AT LEAST IN THE RANKINGS BY NATIONAL PUBLICATIONS.
I JUST FEEL OUR LEADERS, WHO HAVE GIVEN AWAY PROBABLY $7 BILLION IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, THEY GIVE IT TO ANYBODY AND MEANWHILE, WHY LOOK AT OTHER CITIES.
WHY DON'T WE LEARN FROM THEIR EXAMPLE?
SAY NO.
IN APRIL 2017, THE VOTERS IN THE CITY OF ST.
LOUIS SAID NO TO MLS AND MLS CAME BACK.
BUT WE'VE DARN NEAR LOST NGA TO ST.
CLAIR COUNTY AND I THOUGHT WE WOULD AND THE FACT THAT WE SOMEHOW MANAGED TO RETAIN THE NGA WAS A BIG VICTORY.
RIGHT, AND I THINK EVERYONE ONE OF THOSE -- BUT PUT NGA -- I WAS GOING TO SAY, WE WERE ALL AGAINST THAT VOTE.
F NGA IS A GOVERNMENT FACILITY AND COMPARE THAT TO -- YOU CAN'T DO IT.
THAT'S MY DISTINCTION.
LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY.
IF WE COULD HAVE GOT NECESSARILY HERE FOR $120 MILLION, WE'D BE ALL OVER THAT.
IF WE CAN KEEP NGA HERE FOR $120 MILLION, THAT'S A GOOD DEAL.
PERHAPS YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF OTHER STATES THAT SUBSIDIZE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR CITIES, AND WE'RE DOING IT TWICE.
I THINK IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT POLITICIANS, THEY BELIEVE THAT MORE JOBS EQUAL RE-ELECTION, AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CLAIRE WAS ROUNDLY CRITICIZED FOR WITHIN THE PROGRESSIVE ARM OF YOUR PARTY WAS NOT BEING AGGRESSIVE ENOUGH.
YOU KNOW, WHEN IT CAME TO BRINGING JOBS OR KEEPING JOBS -- CLAIRE?
YEAH, CLAIRE WAS.
I NEVER HEARD THAT.
TO HAVE JUST -- I DON'T CONFLATE THE FACADE OF SPORTS FRANCHISES, WHICH IS MOSTLY MONEY JUST CHIPPING AROUND, BUT WHAT ALVIN IS TALKING ABOUT IS PERMANENT, SOLID, TAX-PRODUCING JOBS AND IF WE HAD JUST, WERE WILLING AND COURAGEOUS ENOUGH TO JUST SAY NO TO NGA, WE WOULD HAVE JUST SAID GOODBYE.
RAY, RAY, WE GAVE UP THE EARNINGS TAX, RIGHT?
SO WHAT DO WE GET OUT OF IT IF IT -- [ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] IF ST.
CLAIR COUNTY HAD GOTTEN IT, WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE FOR OUR AREA?
CHARLIE, HALF OF THE EARNINGS TAX.
HALF OF THE EARNINGS TAX.
NOT ALL OF IT.
BUT NOW WE HAVE A BIG HOLE IN SOUTH ST.
LOUIS.
OKAY, I'M SURE THERE WILL BE SOME PHONE CALLS ON THAT ON YOUR TURN AS WE MOVE TO YOU, WENDY.
THIS IS AN INTERESTING STORY BECAUSE OUR REPUBLICAN SECRETARY OF STATE, JAY ASHCROFT, IS NOW INVESTIGATING THE NEXT U.S.
SENATOR FROM MISSOURI, JOSH HAWLEY.
THE KANSAS CITY STAR AND OTHERS HAVE REPORTED THAT IN THE EARLY DAYS OF HAWLEY'S TENURE AS ATTORNEY GENERAL, HE HAD HIS POLITICAL OPERATIVES RUNNING THE SHOW INSIDE THE OFFICES IN JEFF CITY, SO JAY ASHCROFT IS INVESTIGATING IT, AND PICKED ONE CHRISTINE HEISINGER WHO HAS GIVEN FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO HAWLEY'S MOST RECENT OPPONENT SENATOR CLAIRE McCASKILL.
JUST FOR APPEARANCES SAKE, DON'T YOU THINK THIS IS A POOR CHOICE?
I DO, AND I'LL GET BACK TO THAT IN A MOMENT.
JOSH HAWLEY, IF THIS IS PROVEN TO BE TRUE, I WILL BE STUNNED BECAUSE JOSH HAWLEY TO ME IS THE ANTI-GREITENS.
GREITENS, BOTH OF THEM HAVE LOOKED FOR A SUCCESSFUL POLITICAL CAREER, APPARENTLY SINCE THEY WERE IN, YOU KNOW, SHORT PANTS.
IT LOOKS LIKE A LIFELONG AMBITION.
GREITENS WAS OBVIOUSLY KIND OF COMPULSIVE AND HAD A WISH THAT.
TO ME, HAWLEY LOOKS LIKE THE KIND OF GUY THAT HASN'T HAD A SINGLE MISSTEP, SO I WILL BE STUNNED IF THIS IS BORN OUT.
BUT IN TERMS OF CHRISTINE HEISINGER, WE'VE ENTERED THE ERA WHERE WE DON'T LIKE THE RESULTS OF AN ELECTION, WE FIND A WAY TO OVERTURN THE RESULTS OF THAT ELECTION.
WE'RE SEEING IT IN WASHINGTON AND I DON'T -- I MEAN, I AM SORRY TO SEE THAT HAPPENING.
I THINK THAT IN LIGHT OF THAT AND THE CURRENT CLIMATE, A DEMOCRAT WHO HAS CONTRIBUTED GENEROUSLY TO CLAIRE McCASKILL -- SEE, I CAME BACK -- A DEMOCRAT WHO HAS CONTRIBUTED GENEROUSLY TO CLAIRE McCASKILL'S CAMPAIGN IS NOT SOMEBODY I WOULD WANT INVESTIGATING SENATOR-ELECT HAWLEY.
BUT IT WORKS FOR JAY ASHCROFT.
FIRST OF ALL, WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT BIPARTISANSHIP AND TO CORRECT YOU, BY THE WAY, WHAT'S GOING ON IN WASHINGTON IS THE CRIMINAL PROSECUTION OF SOMEONE -- LET'S STAY HERE.
LET'S NOT LET THAT PASS.
BUT THE POINT IS THIS IS JAY ASHCRO ASHCROFT, TO HIS CREDIT -- AND I'M NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF PRAISING ASHCROFT OVER THE YEARS.
TO HIS CREDIT AND THE ASTONISHMENT OF REPUBLICAN FRIENDS OF MINE, IS HAVING THE INDEPENDENCE AND -- IT'S NOT ASHCROFT.
IT'S HEISINGER WHO WORKS FOR HIM.
SHE'S SUPPOSED TO LEAVE THE PLANET?
THE OTHER THING HE'S DOING VERY POSITIVE IS HE BROUGHT IN NICOLE GALLAWAY WITH HER SUBPOENA POWER, WHICH WOULD DISPROVE ANY CONSPIRACY THEORY.
SHE'S A STATE OFFICIAL, BUT -- THIS LOOKS LIKE A REAL INVESTIGATION.
I THINK, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T SEE HAWLEY AS THE OPPOSITE OF GREITENS.
I SEE HAWLEY AS -- IN THE SAME VEIN.
GREITENS WITHOUT A MILITARY RESUME.
I THINK THAT YOU'RE WRONG, RAY, ON THE IDEA THAT THERE'S NOTHING WONG WITH SOMEBODY WHO GIVES TO DEMOCRATS INVESTIGATING A REPUBLICAN.
IF IT WERE VICE VERSA, WE'D BE UPSET.
[ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] I THOUGHT IT WAS COMPLETELY BIZARRE THAT ASHCROFT ANNOUNCED HE WAS GOING TO GET THE AUDITOR INVOLVED BECAUSE SHE HAS SUBPOENA POWERS.
IF I'M A REPUBLICAN, I SAY WE JUST LOST OUR GOVERNOR AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET A DEMOCRAT START SUBPOENAING ON OUR SENATORS?
WHY IS THAT A BAD THING?
I WOULD RATHER SEE SOMEBODY INVESTIGATING WHO HADN'T GIVE HAVEN'T MONEY TO EITHER OF THEM.
WHAT DIFFERENCE -- IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
THE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY.
HOW MANY MEMBERS OF THE BAR ARE THERE IN MISSOURI?
DID YOU HAVE TO FIND ONE TO INVESTIGATE WHO GAVE $24,000 TO DEMOCRATS, INCLUDING CLAIRE McCASKILL?
ARE YOU SAYING THAT ANYONE WHO GAVE MONEY TO A CANDIDATE SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED FOR BEING AN ATTORNEY -- NO, WHAT HE'S SAYING OR I'M SAYING -- -- FOR THE GOVERNMENT?
IT'S THE APPEARANCE.
LET ALVIN TALK A MINUTE.
IN ALL HONESTY, IF WE FLIPPED THE PARTY HERE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?
NOT IF IT'S A DEMOCRAT -- EXCUSE ME A DEMOCRAT HIRED A REPUBLICAN TO INVESTIGATE ANOTHER DEMOCRAT?
NO, I -- THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD WANT IS TO NOT HAVE PARTY LINES AND SEE IT AS SOME SCANDAL THAT SHE GAVE MONEY -- IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN INVESTIGATION SUCCEED, YOU DON'T WANT THE INVESTIGATOR TO BE A KNOWN ENEMY, GIVING MONEY TO THE OPPONENT OF THE GUY YOU'RE INVESTIGATING.
BUT THE REPUBLICANS -- [ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] WE KNOW ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO OVERTURN ELECTIONS.
I THINK ONE THING I WOULD HAVE DONE IF I WAS ASHCROFT, SAY THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN INVESTIGATION INTO THIS, BUT BAY THE WAY, HE'S STILL -- BY THE WAY, HE'S STILL GOING TO BE THE SENATOR.
THE WORST THING THAT HAPPENS TO ME IS HE GETS A FINE.
ANYBODY WHO'S LICKING THEIR CHOPS, THAT'S OVER.
I'M NOT GOING TO APPOINT A DEMOCRAT TO INVESTIGATE HIM, BUT NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN EXCEPT HIM GETTING SWORN IN IN JANUARY.
CHARLIE, THE REAL INTRIGUE, AND I KNOW IT'S MORE FOR POLITICAL JUNKIES IS THE WHOLE DYNAMIC BETWEEN ASHCROFT AND ERIC SCHMIDT AND WHAT WAS BELIEVED TO BE A RIVALRY FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SPOT IF HAWLEY WAS TO WIN THE ELECTION.
THERE'S A LOT OF POLITICAL INTRIGUE AND THE PEOPLE -- I'M JUST SHOCKED THAT EVERYBODY IS LIKE, WE TALK ABOUT BIPARTISANSHIP AND IT BOTHERS YOU THAT A REPUBLICAN PICKS SOMEBODY WHO GAVE TO A DEMOCRAT TO INVESTIGATE SOMEBODY.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WRONG AT ALL.
IF SOMEBODY WAS -- IF IT WAS IN REVERSE, IT WOULD BE FINE.
OH, COME ON, RAY.
IT WOULD.
IF SOMEBODY WHO GAVE MONEY TO THE REPUBLICANS WERE INVESTIGATING OUR NEWLY ELECTED DEMOCRATIC SENATOR, YOU'D SAY THAT'S FINE.
I WOULD.
LET'S MOVE ON, BILL.
I WANT TO ASK YOU, SPEAKING OF GETTING HOT UNDER THE COLLAR, I WAS THIS WEEK WHEN I SAW ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES IN A PAGE A-2 STORY TAKE A LOOK AT A LADUE KID, A STUDENT AT LADUE HIGH SCHOOL, WHO WAS FLASHING THE OKAY SIGN.
I THINK IT WAS PART OF A RALLY FOR THE FOOTBALL TEAM.
AS WE KNOW, THE LADUE RAMS PLAYED IN THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP.
AND THE RAMS WON.
THE RAMS WON, YEAH.
IT WAS THE RAMS AGAINST THE RAMS.
HERE'S THE DEAL.
THE OKAY SIGN AS UBIQUITOUS SIGN, BUT THE STORY SEEMED TO INDICATE THAT IT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH WHITE NATIONALISM, EVEN THOUGH WE WEREN'T THROUGH THIS DURING THE KAVANAUGH HEARINGS WHEN THERE WAS AN ATTORNEY BEHIND JUDGE KAVANAUGH WHO HAD SOMETHING SIMILAR, THE OKAY SIGN, AND THE ANTIDEFAMATION LEAGUE SAID NO, UNLESS YOU SEE OTHER OVERT SIGNS OF WHITE NATIONALISM, THAT OKAY SIGN, WHICH HAS BEEN USED BY BILL CLINTON AND HILLARY CLINTON AND BARACK OBAMA, IS NOT A SIGN OF WHITE NATIONALISM.
DON'T YOU THINK THIS IS A SMEAR OF THE LADUE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT?
NO, I DON'T, AND I SHOULD SAY ABOUT THESE SIGNS, THE ONLY -- THE VICTORY SIGN, PEACE SIGN IS ALL -- THE ONLY ONE I GO, BUT I HAVE HEARD THAT, YOU KNOW, WHITE NATIONALISTS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO USURP THE OKAY SIGN AND I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT BEFOREHAND, BUT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE PAPER WAS SOMEBODY CALLED THE REPORTER, DAVID HUNT, AND SAID THERE'S A KID ON THE LADUE WEBSITE FLASHING THE -- WHAT WHITE NATIONALISTS ARE USING AS A SIGN, AND SO HUNDRED HUNT SAID OKAY AND HE LOOKED UNDER THE WEBSITE AND IT WAS GONE.
SO HE CALLED AND THE LADUE PEOPLE SAID WE TOOK THAT DOWN BECAUSE WE HEARD FROM SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE MEDIA THAT THIS IS A WHITE POWER SIGN.
SO IT WASN'T LIKE THE PAPER GEMMED THIS UP AND NOW THE WAY IS SHOULD IT HAVE BEEN RUN.
CERTAINLY YOU'RE NOT IDENTIFYING THE LADUE KID AND IN FACT, HE WAS NOT IDENTIFIED IN THE PICTURE.
I'M TOLD HE WASN'T SMILING LIKE, HEY, EVERYTHING IS OKAY.
HE WAS KIND OF SOMBER AND FLASHING THAT SIGN.
I HAD NEVER HEAR THAT THE OKAY SIGN WAS A WHITE SYMBOLISM SIGN, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN THE KAVANAUGH HEARING, THERE'S THAT PERSON LIKE THIS AND MAYBE THEY'RE TROLLING LIBERALS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
BUT SOMETHING IS GOING ON.
WITH THE TIKI TORCHES TO THOSE KIDS IN WISCONSIN WITH THE SIGHEIL.
PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEEN THE MOVIE CABARET AND THINK SOMETHING IS GOING ON, MAYBE IT SHOULD BE REPORTED, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK ON THE HEELS OF THE COMPLAINT IN 2016 ON THE SCHOOL BUS, YOU KNOW, THE KID WHO SAID THAT SHE WAS BEING VICTIMIZED BY RACIST -- RACIAL, RACIST COMMENTS, AND I THINK THAT -- YOU KNOW, THAT'S RECENT HISTORY.
I'M SURE THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF SENSITIVITY HERE.
THERE'S A BACK STORY TO THIS AND I DON'T KNOW WHO CALLED THE POST-DISPATCH.
HOWEVER, JUST A MONTH AGO, MICBS'S FOOTBALL PLAYERS WERE ACCUSED BY PARKWAY NORTH OF UNLEASHING A LOT OF N-BOMBS TO THEM DURING A FOOTBALL GAME.
IT WAS A REALLY BAD SCENE OVER THERE.
THIS COMES IN THE WAKE OF THAT.
WHO IS LADUE PLAYING BUT MIBCS.
PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES WERE COMPLAINING ON THAT ONE.
I KNOW THAT, BUT I'M SAYING -- WHEN XENA BASH, I THINK THAT'S HER NAME, THE ATTORNEY WHO DID THIS DURING THE KAVANAUGH HEARINGS, IT WAS INVESTIGATED WIDELY BY THE WASHINGTON POST AND OTHERS AND THEY FOUND OUT THAT IT IS TRUE, THERE WERE A GROUP OF TROLLS WHO PERSONALLY TRIED ERRONEOUSLY TO FAKE OUT THE LIBERAL MEDIA BY FLASHING OKAY SIGNS AND ASSOCIATING IT WITH WHITE NATIONALISM WHICH TURNED OUT TO BE A HOAX.
IT WHAT AS JOKE.
NOW -- IT WAS A JOKE.
NOW, THERE'S SOME WHITE NATIONALISTS WHO ARE TOO DUMB TO REALIZE IT WAS A HOAX AND THEY MIGHTITE, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE AS IN SO MANY OTHERS, IT COULD ALSO JUST BE OKAY, WHICH A UBIQUITOUS SYMBOL.
NOBODY IS SAYING THEY KNOW WHAT WAS IN THE MIND THEREFORE STUDENT FROM LADUE AND HIS PURR WAS BLACKED OUT, BUT IF -- HIS PICTURE WAS BLACKED OUT, BUT IF YOU THINK THAT SOMETHING IS GOING ON IN THE COUNTRY, SOMETHING A LITTLE WEIRD -- I REALIZE THAT THIS IS OFF THE BEATEN PATH OF DONNYBROOK, BUT BEYONCE AND JAY Z HAVE BEEN ACCUSED REPEATEDLY OF BEING MEMBERS OF THE OF THE ILLUMINATI, SO AFTER THE WHILE, THEY STARTED MAKING THE SIGN EVERY TIME A PHOTOGRAPHER TOOK THEIR PICTURE JUST TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BAIT THE PRESS -- THAT DID HAPPEN.
RIGHT.
I'M A LIBERAL -- I'M SORRY.
GO AHEAD.
GO AHEAD.
I'M A LIBERAL WHO'S TIRED OF THESE ISSUES AND TIRED OF THE JUST -- YOU KNOW, AS A CIVIL LIBERTARIAN, I'M JUST TIRED OF THESE ISSUES, FRANKLY, BUT IF YOU WORK FOR A NEWSPAPER AND YOU'RE A REPORTER AND YOU GET A LEAD AND THEN YOU FIND SOMETHING THAT WAS TAKEN DOWN, IT'S START OF NOT -- IT'S NOT THE SORT OF THING YOU JUST DROP.
BUT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH -- THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
I DO DISAGREE WITH BILL.
I THINK THE KID CAN BE IDENTIFIED EVEN THOUGH HIS FACE WAS BLOCKED OUT, LIKE BY HIS FRIENDS WHERE I'M SURE IN THE LADUE AREA, HE IS LIKE, OKAY, WE KNOW WHO THIS IS AND HE'S BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH WHITE NATIONALISM, EVEN THOUGH HE'S GIVING A UBIQUITOUS SIGN AND I THINK THE MEDIA IN GENERAL SHOULD RETHINK ITS INVESTIGATION OF KIDS AT SCHOOL.
THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THE NEWSPAPERS WERE NOT CONCENTRATED ON THESE STORIES, BY AND LARGE, AND NOW I THINK THAT KIDS SHOULD HAVE A CERTAIN PROTECTION WHEN THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING WITHIN THE CONFINES OF A SCHOOL.
THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT AND YOU MIGHT RIGHT, BUT WHAT GOOD THAT RECENT CASE IN WISCONSIN.
DID YOU SEE THAT PICTURE ALL THE KIDS ARE GIVING THE SIG HEIL BEFORE THE PROM?
IT NOT A LOT OF PUBLICITY AND THOSE KIDS' FACES WERE CLEARLY IDENTIFIED AND YOU LOOK AT IT AND YOU GO, GEE, THIS IS REALLY STRANGE.
I WILL AGREE WITH YOU.
I THOUGHT THE KID WASN'T IDENTIFIABLE.
IF HE WASN'T, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.
I DON'T THINK HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
WELL, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE -- YOU'RE SAYING IF HE WAS IDENTIFIABLE -- THERE'S NO WAY HE SHOULD BE.
IT COULD BE THOSE CLOSEST TO YOU THAT KNOW YOU WERE THE PERSON THEY'RE TALKING ABOUTS IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE GREATER GOOD.
I THINK THE STORY COVER SERVED ITS READERS WELL BY NOTING THAT THE ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE OF ALL ORGANIZATIONS -- I THOUGHT IT DID.
NO, IT DID.
IT LOOKED TO THE SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER THAT SAID IT WAS A HOAX, BUT THE ADL SAID THIS IS NOT A SIGN OF WHITE NATIONALISM.
ANYWAY, OKAY, LET'S GO ON TO YOU, RAY.
I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT A ST.
CHARLES LAWMAKER WHO WANTS TO END THE EARNINGS TAX IN THE CITY OF ST.
LOUIS.
WHAT'S OLD IS NEW AGAIN.
ACTUALLY, THE VOTERS IN THE CITY OF ST.
LOUIS DO VOTE ON THE EARNINGS TAX EVERY FIVE YEARS BY STATE LAW.
EXACTLY.
OKAY.
I DON'T THINK THE EARNINGS TAX IS ACTUALLY ATTRACTING PEOPLE.
WHEN I GOT HERE IN 1988, WE HAD, WHAT, 400,000 PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF ST.
LOUIS AND NOW WE'RE DOWN TO 300,000.
WHATEVER IT'S DOING, NOT ATTRACTING PEOPLE AND JOBS, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK?
WHAT I THINK IS THAT THE VOTERS OF THE CITY OF ST.
LOUIS AND THE CITY OF KANSAS CITY VOTED ON THIS TOPIC AND IT'S A LOT MORE IMPORTANT WHAT THEY THINK THAN WHAT ANY OF US THINK, AND THAT GOES FOR WHETHER WE LIVE IN THE CITY OR NOT.
THEY VOTED BY 80% MARGINS IN CITY, ROUGHLY IN ST.
LOUIS AND KANSAS CITY, AND LAID THIS ISSUE TO REST.
IT WAS BROUGHT UPON US, A HORRIBLE THING AND BROUGHT POP US BY REX SINQUEFIELD WHO PERHAPS IS GOING TO FIND A WAY TO SUPPORT THIS FINE STATE SENATOR IN ST.
CHARLES.
THE BIGGER -- THIS IS PART OF A BIGGER TREND THAT CONCERNS ME AND IN 2020, THERE'S GOING TO BE A MOVEMENT AFOOT FOR A STATEWIDE VOTE ON A CITY-COUNTY MERGER OF SOME SORT TO FORCE A MERGER OR UNI-GOV OR SOMETHING ON THE CITY AND COUNTY USING THE RURAL VOTE AGAINST THE CITY AND COUNTY'S INTEREST.
THE LARGER ISSUE HERE IS SELF-DETERMINATION.
THE WORST THING ABOUT WHAT REX SINQUEFIELD DID TO US WITH THE CITY EARNINGS TAX IS CITIES LIKE COLUMBIA, SPRINGFIELD, CAPE GIRARDEAU, HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO AN EARNINGS TAX NOW BECAUSE OF THE REST OF THE STATE.
THAT'S CRAZY.
ONE WOULD THINK THAT A REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE, WHEN THE REPUBLICANS TRADITIONALLY WERE ALL ABOUT LOCAL AUTONOMY, WOULD BE LOATHE TO COME UP WITH AN IDEA OF THE STATE WILL TELL LOCALS WHAT TO DO.
EXACTLY.
I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAY, RAY, IF ST.
LOUIS AND KANSAS CITY SAY WE NEED AN EARNINGS TAX, AND WE WANT ONE, THAT'S ENOUGH.
BACKING UP WHAT RAY SAID, ON THE PROGRAM I WAS ON TODAY, RODNEY BOYD WAS ON WITH ME TODAY, KIND OF LIKE POLITICAL INSIDE YES, MODERATE REPUBLICAN -- NIDEER, MODERATE -- INSIDER, MODERATE REPUBLICAN, HE HINTED THAT THE STORY GOING INTO 19 AND HEADING INTO 2020 IS GOING TO BE EXACTLY LIKE YOU SAID.
THERE IS GOING TO BE A MOVE TO FORCE A VOTE ON THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.
AND I THINK DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS WILL LIKE IT, OR AT LEAST THE REX SINQUEFIELD CROWD LIKES THAT BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN YOU CHANGE THE CHARTER FOR THE CITY OF ST.
LOUIS, WHICH WOULD CHANGE IF WE HAD THE MERGER, THE EARNINGS TAX WILL BE NULL.
BUT THAT'S -- BUT AGAIN, WE'RE -- PEOPLE ARE UNDERESTIMATING WHAT PEOPLE IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS THINK OF THIS.
BUT AGAIN, AREN'T WE OVERTURNING OR IGNORING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE -- ABSOLUTELY.
-- AND THIS CONTINUES TO HAPPEN REPEATLY.
I THINK THE REASON IS THERE ARE LAWMAKERS LIKE THIS GUY IN ST.
CHARLES WHO THINK THAT THE EARNINGS TAX THE HURTING THE CITY AND THE CITY IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT FOR THE REGION, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AUSTIN.
THE STATE HAS NO -- BUT THIS IS -- -- INCOME TAX AND NO EARNINGS TAX AND THERE'S SOMETHING TO THAT.
PEOPLE MOVE OUT OF THE CITY BECAUSE OF THAT EARNINGS TAX.
BUT HOPEFULLY THE COUNTRY -- BUT PEOPLE TELL ME ALMOST DAILY THAT THEY COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE CITY OF ST.
LOUIS, SO WHY ALL OF AN ALL OF A SUDDEN -- YOU REALLY BELIEVE PEOPLE MOVE OUT OF CITY OF ST.
LOUIS SOLELY BECAUSE THE EARNINGS TAX.
I KNOW SOME PEOPLE WHO DID.
TOM JACOBSON, HE WASSED HET OF U.S.
BANK -- HE THE HEAD OF U.S.
BANK AT THE TIME, HE MOVED.
LET'S NOT SAY WE'RE ALL LIKE THE BANK PRESIDENTS.
ONE OF THE OLDEST PRINCIPLES OF THE COUNTRY IS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION AND IT WORKS IN REVERSE TOO.
BUT A WORKER IN THE CITY IS TAXED.
WELL, AND THE STATE -- THEY CAN'T VOTE ON IT.
THE POINT OF THAT, WHICH HAS PERFECT LOGIC TO IT -- AND I WISH WE COULD GET AWAY WITH THIS WE IN THE CITY AND THEY IN ST.
CHARLES.
WE TALK ABOUT ST.
CLAIR COUNTY.
IT'S ONE REGION.
BUT THE CITY HAS A RIGHT TO -- LET ME FOCUS ON -- WE HAVE LESS THAN TWO MINUTES TO GO.
THANKS.
I KNOW THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF CALLS ON THIS AND OTHER ISSUES.
ALVIN, THE RIVERFRONT TIMES HAD A FRONT PAGE STORY SAYING THERE ARE RESTAURANTS IN ELLISVILLE AND ELSEWHERE THAT CAN'T FIND WORKERS AND THEY SAY IT'S PROBABLY A TRANSPORTATION PROBLEM GETTING PEOPLE FROM THE CITY OUT THERE.
DO YOU THINK THAT'S THE REAL REASON?
THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY IF WE HAD A REAL MASS TRANSIT SYSTEM, THAT WOULD HELP, BUT QUITE FRANKLY, AT NO TIME WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, I'M 58 NOW, A GENERATION BEHIND ME OR WHATEVER, AT NO TIME WERE THERE A NEED FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE CITY TO COME OUT AND WORK AT RESTAURANTS IN THE COUNTY.
YOUNGER PEOPLE HUSTLED, GOT A JOB, GOT BUSY.
THAT'S MISSING RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT IDEA OF WORKING IN A RESTAURANT AND I'M LIKE 17, 18 YEARS OLD, IT'S NOT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT GOES BACK TO THAT WORK ETHIC OR THIS MILLENNIALS OR WHATEVER, BUT QUITE FRANKLY, THE PEOPLE ARE THERE THAT CAN FILL THE JOBS AND GET PAID.
THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO DO IT.
ONE OF THE REASONS IS YOU HAVE TO DO COMMUNITY SERVICE FOR YOUR COLLEGE RESUME OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT.
HOW DOES THAT SONG GO?
WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH KIDS TODAY?
WHY CAN'T THEY BE LIKE WE WERE YESTERDAY.
I FOUND LIKE MY GRANDFATHER.
THERE WAS A RESTAURATEUR WHO'S CLOSING A RESTAURANT, TALKING TO ST.
LOUIS MAGAZINE, ABOUT THIS VERY POINT AND THAT PERSON PROBABLY HAS A PRETTY GOOD IDEA, SAYING -- REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT AFFECTED THEIR RESTAURANT, THAT IDEA THAT THEY CAN'T FIND PEOPLE IN THEIR AREA TO WORK WAS PRETTY -- SHE OUGHT ON KNOW.
YEAH, CLOSING FOR THAT REASON.
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* WELCOME BACK TO DONNYBROOK YOUR TURN.
IT IS YOUR TURN.
I AM SITTING HERE WITH OUR FOUNDER AND THE STAR OF OUR PROGRAM, MR.
RAY HARTMANN.
I WILL BE HIS COPILOT AND WE'LL BE FLYING AT A ALTITUDE OF 35,000 FEET.
WHO'S UP FIRST?
ELISE FROM HEALTH SPRINGS.
THANKS FOR CALLING AND WELCOME TO YOUR TURN.
Caller: HI.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING MY CALL.
THE REASON I'M CALLING IS BECAUSE I HAVE TO AGREE WITH SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID, WENDY, ON THE SHOW MULTIPLE TIMES.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TAXES AND THE ST.
LOUIS CITY AND KANSAS CITY, AND WHY ARE WE TRYING TO OVERTURN THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU, AND NOT ONLY ARE THEY TRYING TO DO THAT, BUT THERE ARE TWO OTHER ISSUES THAT THE VOTERS RECENTLY VOTED ON, WHICH IS RIGHT TO WORK AND THEN I BELIEVE IT WAS PROP ONE, WHICH WAS TRANSPARENCY -- CLEAN MISSOURI, CLEAN MISSOURI, RIGHT.
Caller: RIGHT.
AND THEY'RE TRYING TO OVERTURN THAT NOW, TOO, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY LAWMAKERS JUST CAN'T TAKE WHAT THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE HAVE VOTED ON AND ACCEPT THAT.
IT'S VERY DISHEARTENING AND IT MAKES -- WELL, I VOTE ALL THE TIME AND I WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO, BUT I'M SURE THAT IT MAKES A LOT OF OTHER VOTERS VERY FRUSTRATED AND FEEL LIKE WHY VOTE IF THE LAWMAKERS AREN'T GOING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT WE IN FACT VOTE FOR.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
ELISE, HEAR HEAR.
THEY DO IT BECAUSE THEY CAN AND IT REALLY IS AMAZING.
I MEAN, IN MISSOURI, THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THAT'S HAPPENED.
BUT DON'T YOU THINK IT'S A RECENT -- IT'S A FAIRLY RECENT PHENOMENON THAT WE'RE SEEING AND IT'S -- YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF OMINOUS IN MY OPINION, BUT THAUN, ELISE.
AND THE IDEA THAT POLITICIANS ARE GOING TO ROLL OVER AND CLEAN UP LOBBYING, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.
LET'S GO TO RON FROM SOULARD.
YOU'RE ON DONNYBROOK, YOUR TURN.
Caller: THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL AND THE LADY, I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I WANT TO SAY IS ABOUT EARNINGS TAX.
THE CITY OF ST.
LOUIS WILL BE BANKRUPT WITHOUT THE CITY EARNINGS TAX.
YOU WANT THE CITY TO FIGHT CRIME, YOU WANT IT TO BUILD A STADIUM THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE VOTED AGAINST, YOU WANT THEM TO DO A LOT OF THINGS IN THE CITY, BUT WE CAN'T TAX PEOPLE WHO USE THE SERVICES, COMING INTO THE CITY, THROW THEIR TRASH DOWN, DOUBLE PARK.
WE CHARGING EVERYBODY FOR LIVING IN THE CITY AND YOU JUST PAY YOUR SHARE FOR THE CITY TO BE A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE, IF YOU WANT TO COME TO A BETTER PLACE.
THANK YOU, RON.
WELL STATED AND WE HEAR FROM PEOPLE, OH, WE'RE NOT LIVING IN THE CITY.
WE'RE GOING TO YOU FROM THE CITY OF ST.
LOUIS, BEAUTIFUL CHANNEL 9 AND GREAT -- GRAND CENTER, YEAH.
GRAND CENTER AREA, AND IT'S REALLY -- I MEAN, I HAPPEN TO BE VERY STRONGLY THINK THAT THERE'S A PERFECT LOGIC TO THE CITY EARNINGS TAX AS SOMEONE WHO'S PAID IT AND PAYS IT, AND THAT IS THAT PEOPLE WHO COME FOR THE DAY AND USE THE POLICE AND THE FIRE AND THE STREETS AND THE OTHER SERVICES, YOU KNOW, IT'S THEIR WAY OF CONTRIBUTING AND MANY, MANY PEOPLE COME TO DOWNTOWN.
NOT AS MANY AS USED TO, BUT -- SO THERE'S SOME LOGIC TO IT.
BUT THE BIGGER POINT IS THAT THE FOLKS VOTED 80% TO KEEP IT.
THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT U.S.
BANK THINKS.
I MEAN -- NO.
AND RON, WE THANK YOU BECAUSE YOU CERTAINLY ARE SPEAKING FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
LET'S GO TO KATHY FROM ST.
LOUIS COUNTY.
HELLO, KATHY.
Caller: OH HI, WENDY, AND HI, RAY.
NICE TALKING TO YOU.
ON THE JOSH HAWLEY INVESTIGATION, I DON'T THINK A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THE STATE OF MISSOURI REALIZE HE LOST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR PEOPLE IN THIS STATE BECAUSE HE COULDN'T RUN THAT OFFICE.
THEY HAD TO SUB OUT BECAUSE HE COULDN'T LITIGATE THE CASES.
THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN RECTIFIED A VERY LONG TIME AGO BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANY OF US, IF WE GO INTO A JOB AND WE'RE NOT RUNNING IT PROPERLY FOR THE FIRST COUPLE WEEKS, THAT WE'RE GOING TO STAY THERE.
AND I WONDER, ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET ALL OF THE INFORMATION FROM THAT OFFICE?
AND IS THE SENATE GOING TO SIT HIM IF HE'S UNDER INVESTIGATION?
THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
THE ANSWER, I THINK, IS YES TO THAT BECAUSE OF WHO THE SENATE IS CONTROLLED BY.
I DON'T THINK THE HOUSE WOULD.
BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS CONTROL THE HOUSE.
BUT THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT.
AND AS I SAY, I WAS ALONE ON THIS ISSUE.
I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY TO THE CREDIT OF JAY ASHCROFT -- I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M SAYING THAT.
I CAN'T EITHER.
YOU KNOW, HIS FATHER WAS SOMEBODY THAT I JUST DISAGREED WITH SO MUCH FOR SO LONG ALTHOUGH -- BUT YOU HAVE RESPECT FOR HIM.
I ALWAYS RESPECTED HIS INTEGRITY AND MAYBE JAY ASHCROFT IS TRYING TO BRAND HIMSELF -- BUT WHAT CAN HE DO IF HE A QUESTION HAS BEEN RAISED ABOUT SENATOR-ELECT HAWLEY, HE HAS TO FOLLOW -- WELL, TO HIS CREDIT AND I'LL STICK TO MY GUNS, THE FACT THAT HE HAS A DREADED APPOINTEE WORKING FOR HIM WHO HAPPENS TO GIVE MONEY FOR A DEMOCRAT, AS IF THAT WAS A CRIME, AND THE FACT THAT HE'S BROUGHT IN THE DEMOCRATIC AUDITOR WITH SUBPOENA POWER, IT IS THE BEST EXAMPLE OF BIPARTISANSHIP OUT THERE.
I CAN'T BELIEVE EVERYBODY IS NOT EMBRACING AND GIVING JAY ASHCROFT CREDIT FOR WHAT APPEARS TO BE AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF SOMEBODY IN HIS OWN PARTY.
I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE ARE REPUBLICANS VERY UPSET ABOUT IT.
THERE ARE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE VERY UPSET ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK IN TERMS OF THE DEMOCRAT WHO HAS -- HEISINGER, I MEAN NO DISRESPECT, I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER HER NAME AT THIS MOMENT, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT SHE WORKS FOR MR.
ASHCROFT, BUT I JUST THINK IN TERMS OF OPTICS, WE HAVE TO -- I THINK IT'S GREAT OPTICS!
THAT A REPUBLICAN PICKS A DEMOCRAT TO RUN -- TO INVESTIGATE A FELLOW REPUBLICAN.
I THINK THAT'S PERFECT AND IF IT WERE FLIPPED, I THINK IT WAS PERFECT.
I THINK IT IS PERFECT THAT -- SEVERAL OF OUS THE PANEL DISAGREE WITH YOU TONIGHT, RAY.
I KNOW YOU DO.
ALL FOUR OF YOU.
AND IF THE SITUATION WAS REVERSED, BUT KATHY, WE THANK YOU.
LET'S GO TO BILL, FIRST-TIME CALLER FROM ROCK HILL.
WHO?
BILL, YOU'RE ON DONNYBROOK YOU'RE TURN.
BILL FROM ROCK HILL.
Caller: RAY, THIS IS OUR TURN, NOT YOUR TURN.
NOW THAT WE GOT THAT STRAIGHT, I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE SITUATION ABOUT THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE FOOTBALL WITH THE HIGH SIGN.
HAVE YOU NOTICED THERE SOMES TUBE KIND OF A SUB CULTURE THAT HAS DEVELOPED THAT SPENDS ALL THEIR TIME TRYING TO FIND STUFF TO GET OFFENDED BY?
IT'S GOT TO BE RIDICULOUS.
THIS PAST WEEK THERE WAS SOMEBODY WHO HAD A BIG CONNIPTION BECAUSE THEY CLAIMED THAT RUDOLPH THE RED-NOSED REINDEER WAS BULLYING AND NOW THEY'RE ALL UPSET ABOUT IT AND THIS THING WITH THE HIGH SIGN.
FOLKS, FIRST OF ALL, GET A LIFE.
SECOND OF ALL, LAWYERS STOP TAKING CASES FOR THESE PEOPLE.
AND THIRD OF ALL, THE CONSTITUTION -- YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS, RAY, AS BEING A MEMBER OF THE ACLU, CONTROVERSIAL SPEECH IS PROTECTED SPEECH.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT SAYS YOU HAVE A RIGHT NOT TO BE OFFENDED.
AMEN.
Caller: AND ALL THE PEOPLE TRYING TO FIND THESE SAFE SPEECH ZONES ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES AND TRYING TO -- YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING -- THERE'S NO RIGHT TO BE NOT OFFENDED IN THE CONSTITUTION.
IT DOESN'T EXIST.
WE AGREE.
WE AGREE, AND I I HAVE -- I'M GUILTY OF A LOT OF THINGS, BUT STICKING UP FOR, YOU KNOW -- DEFENDING -- YOU ALWAYS DEFEND FREE SPEECH.
I AGREE WITH YOU.
THANKS, BILL, THANKS FOR CALLING.
LET'S GO TO THE TWITTERVERSE.
@CRAIG, MY BUDDY.
THE REPUBLICAN SECRETARY OF STATE APPOINTED THE LAWYER WHO WILL INVESTIGATE WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE HAPPENED IN JOSH HAWLEY'S CAMPAIGN.
HAS ANYONE QUESTIONED HIM DIRECTLY WHY HE CHOSE HER?
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, CRAIG.
I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE HE WANTS TO APPEAR BIPARTISAN.
SISTER VAUR 23, WHEN IT COMES TO THE OKAY SIGN, I THINK IT'S ABOUT EDUCATING YOURSELF.
MANY PEOPLE FIND SIGNS WE FIND HARMLESS AS INSULTING.
BE RESPECTFUL AND THINK OF THE CONTEXT IT IS USED.
THANK YOU.
@STEVE JACOBOWSKI, I WOULD RATHER WE DEVELOP THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX INSTEAD OF THE EARNINGS TAX.
IT'S PART OF THE REASON I BOUGHT A 2005 CAR.
THANK YOU.
KEEP TWEETING US AT THE #DONNYBROOKSTL.
AND WE'LL GO TO BRENDA IN COLLINSVILLE.
HELLO, BRENDA.
HI, BRENDA.
Caller: HI.
I'M CALLING ABOUT THE OKAY SIGN.
I WAS IN THE ARMY AND WHEN WE WENT TO GERMANY IN 1979, WE WERE TOLD NOT TO USE THAT SIGN TO THE GERMANS BECAUSE IT MEANT MY GOODNESS.
OKAY.
WELL, WE THANK YOU AND WE'RE HOPING OUR DELAY IS WORKING THIS EVENING.
IT MAY OR MAY NOT.
THANK YOU, BRENDA.
THAT ONE -- WELL, I THOUGHT WHEN SHE SAID THEY WERE IN GERMANY, THAT IF THIS WAS A QUESTION OF A WHITE -- WOW.
OKAY, BRENDA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PHONING IN.
I DID NOT SEE THAT ONE COMING.
I DID NOT EITHER.
LET'S GO TO RON IN AUGUSTA, MISSOURI.
HI, RON.
WATCH YOUR TONGUE.
Caller: YEAH, BRENDA, GO, GIRL.
IT'S OKAY WITH ME.
Caller: FIRST OFF, MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU GUYS.
THANK YOU.
SAME TO YOU, BY THE WAY.
Caller: AS FAR AS THIS ASHCROFT THING, IF I'M GOING TO BE INVESTIGATED, THE I WANT THE PERSON THAT'S GOING TO DIG UP THE WORST STUFF ON ME.
IF HE'S NOT GUILTY, HE'S NOT GUILTY.
IF HE'S GUILTY, HE'S GUILTY.
I SUPPORTED JOSH, I THINK HE'S A GOOD GUY, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO INVESTIGATE HIM, LET'S DO IT.
I COULDN'T CARE LESS WHO IT DID.
LET'S FIND OUT WHAT'S TWG ON.
I AGREE.
Caller: AND AS FAR AS THIS SILLY OKAY THING, I'M A KID OF THE '70s IN HIGH SCHOOL, SO I HAD TO WATCH MY BLACK FRIENDS AND I PROBABLY WOULD ADMIT I MAYBE EVEN IN A WEAK MOMENT JOINED IN WITH THE CLENCHED FIST FOR BLACK POWER.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WHITE POWER, WE HAVE BLACK POWER.
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THAT STUFF.
OKAY.
Caller: WE DON'T LIKE EITHER ONE.
ALL RIGHT.
Caller: WE'RE JUST ONE COUNTRY.
OKAY.
APPRECIATE THAT.
THANK YOU, RON.
WE APPRECIATE YOU CALLING.
LET'S GO TO JOHN FROM MAPLE WOOD.
HI, JOHN.
Caller: HI.
HOW ARE YOU GUYS?
WE'RE GOOD.
Caller: DON'T FIND MYSELF IN A POSITION TO CONTRADICT ALVIN TO MANY OCCASIONS, BUT TONIGHT YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT YOU -- MY OWN TWO BOYS WHO ARE UNDER 16 ARE BOTH WORKING, ONE OF THEM IS WORKING IN A RESTAURANT IN MAPLEWOOD AND THE OTHER ONE IS CUTTING GRASS AND, YOU KNOW, HUSTLING TRYING TO MAKE MONEY ANY WAY HE CAN, AND I THINK THE SCHOOL DISTRICT REALLY ENCOURAGES KIDS, YOU KNOW, TO GET ALL KINDS OF EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW.
RIGHT.
Caller: THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB.
THE COMMUNITY HERE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB EMBRACING THESE KIDS AND GIVING THEM THAT EXPERIENCE, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY A SCHOOL DISTRICT ON THE RISE AND A COMMUNITY ON THE RISE.
OKAY.
Caller: SO ALVIN IS WRONG.
I'D LIKE TO STICK UP FOR ALVIN.
I THINK HE WAS MAKING THE POINT THAT IN CERTAIN PARTS OF ST.
LOUIS N THIS CASE IT WAS -- WAS IT ELLISVILLE?
IT WAS CHESTERFIELD.
CHESTERFIELD.
THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN PARTS OF MORE AFFLUENT WEST COUNTY THAT I THINK HE WAS VERY TACTFULLY AND PROPERLY MAKING THE POINT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WEREN'T INTERESTED IN DOING THEIR JOBS.
I DON'T THINK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT MAPLE WOOD AT ALL, SO I THINK A WOULD -- THAT WOULD BE MY GUESS OF WHAT HE WAS SAYING.
WE APPRECIATE THE CALL.
YES, AS A PARENT, WE -- OR AS PARENTS, I SHOULD SAY, MY HUSBAND AND I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE HE AND I HAD BOTH WORKED IN HIGH SCHOOL AND I KNOW YOU WORKED IN HIGH SCHOOL AND JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL AND WE WORKED IN JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL.
I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEND A CHILD INTO A COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY EXPERIENCE WITHOUT HAVING A LITTLE MORE LIFE EXPERIENCE.
AND YOU CAN'T FIND A BETTER PLACE TO ACQUIRE THAT LIFE EXPERIENCE THAN ON THE JOB.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE A TEENAGER.
SO I THINK PARENTS ARE DOING THEIR CHILDREN A GREAT DISSERVICE WHEN -- THAT'S JUST MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION -- WHEN THEY DON'T ENCOURAGE THEM TO GET A JOB.
MAYBE THEY'RE IN LIKE FLINT IN COLLEGE AND THEY DON'T NEED TO HAVE A JOB, BUT THANKS, JOHN, FOR ALLOWING ME TO EVENT.
GOOD FOR YOU AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I GOT TO WORK FOR THE GREAT MARTIN DUGGAN.
AND THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT FOR YOU.
IT NEVER SEEMED TO -- OH, HE WAS SO PROUD OF YOU.
BILL FROM BONNE TERRE.
HOW ARE YOU DOING, BILL?
Caller: WENDY, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE YOU, BUT I DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE THE RESULTS OF ELECTION TRYING TOOVER -- TOOVER TURN IT THROUGH INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION ONLY GET PEOPLE'S WHO HAVE COMMITTED CRIMES.
IF YOU DON'T CREDIT COMMIT A CRIME, DON'T BE CONCERNED ABOUT AN INVESTIGATION.
I THINK ANYBODY IN PUBLIC OFFICE SHOULD FEAR BEING INVESTIGATED TO DEATH BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO KEEP CROOKS OUT OF PUBLIC OFFICE AND THE RIDICULOUS NOTION THAT PEOPLE WERE PUSHING ABOUT A PERJURY TRAP, YOU KNOW WHAT?
PERJURY TRAPS CATCH LIARS.
YOU DON'T LIE, YOU DON'T GET CAUGHT.
YEAH.
I AGREE THAT'S TRUE.
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE, THERE IS THE REAL APPEARANCE -- I DON'T KNOW CRIMINAL, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO.
RIGHT.
BUT THE APPEARANCE OF THESE OUTSIDE POLITICAL CONSULTANTS, YOU KNOW, HAVING ENGAGED, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S PUBLICLY PAID STAFF, IT'S REALLY A TROUBLING THING.
AND I THINK, AGAIN, I'LL CONGRATULATE JAY ASHCROFT FOR TAKING IT SERIOUSLY.
I DO THINK IT'S GOOD THAT IT'S BIPARTISAN IN HOW IT'S BEING APPROACHED, AND I'LL STICK TO THAT.
I CAN TELL YOU KIT BOND, THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ANY INVESTIGATION BECAUSE THERE WAS A VERY -- AND I GET CRITICIZED FOR POINTING OUT ALL THE TIME, BUT THERE WAS A VERY FIRM LINE THAT WASN'T CROSSED IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE IN -- WHEN KIT BOND WAS GOVERNOR.
AND BILL, I THANK YOU FOR THE LOVE.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT IN THESE PARTISAN, I MEAN IN THESE HIGHLY CHARGED TIMES, FOR CHRISTINE HEISINGER TO HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO CLAIRE McCASKILL -- IF SHE WERE JUST A DEMOCRAT, I WOULD SAY THE OPTICS DON'T MATTER, BUT DOWN THE ROAD, YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO JEOPARDIZE OR DISCREDIT OR CALL INTO QUESTION THE RESULTS OF WHAT SHE UNEARTHS.
IT WON'T BE.
SHE REPORTS TO HER BOSS, THE REPUBLICAN.
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.
IT'S BEAUTIFUL THAT BOTH PARTIES ARE INVOLVED TOGETHER IN THIS INVESTIGATION.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
SHE REPORTS TO JAY ASHCROFT.
ALL RIGHT, I GIVE UP, I CAN'T WIN THE ARGUMENT.
WHO'S NEXT?
I GIVE UP.
LARRY IN SOUTH COUNTY.
HI, LARRY, WELCOME TO DONNYBROOK YOUR TURN.
Caller: HI, GUYS.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO BOTH OF YOU.
ON THIS CITY EARNINGS TAX THING, YEARS AGO WE MOVED FROM THE CITY TO THE COUNTY AND IT HAD MORE TO DO WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
WE THOUGHT THAT THE SCHOOLS WERE BECOMING SUBPAR AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL MOVE FOR THAT, BUT THE CITY EARNINGS TAX WAS PART OF IT, TOO.
WE MOVED TO SHREWSBURY AND, OF COURSE, WE DIDN'T HAVE A CITY EARNINGS TAX THERE.
RIGHT.
RIGHT.
I THINK THAT'S A FAIR POINT.
I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY PROS AND CONS.
YOU AGREE, LARRY, THAT THE FOLKS IN THE CITY AT LEAST, VOTED FAIRLY OVERWHELMINGLY IN FAVOR OF IT AND YOU MAY HAVE VOTED WITH YOUR FEET, I GET THAT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING -- WHICH YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO, BUT IT WAS A PRETTY CLEAR-CUT VOTE IN THE CITY AND IN KANSAS CITY.
AND WE'VE BEEN DEBATING THIS ISSUE FOR DECADES, HAVEN'T WE?
AND THIS WHOLE QUESTION COULDN'T COME, I THINK, AT A WORST TIME FOR THE CITY BECAUSE THE GAP THAT WOULD BE LEFT IF WE HAD THAT VACUUM WOULD BE -- WE'D BE IN REAL TROUBLE.
LARRY, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR THE CALL.
LET'S GO TO TOM IN JEFFERSON COUNTY.
HI, TOM, YOU'RE ON DONNYBROOK, YOUR TURN.
ARE YOU THERE, TOM?
SPEAK INTO THE PHONE AND NOT THE -- Caller: GOOD EVENING AND MERRY CHRISTMAS.
YEAH, I'M HERE.
GOOD EVENING AND MERRY CHRISTMAS.
MERRY CHRISTMAS.
WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND?
Caller: I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY SOMETHING ON THE EARNINGS TAX.
GO AHEAD.
OKAY.
Caller: YOU DON'T HAVE TO -- I DIDN'T LIVE IN THE CITY AND WHEN I WORKED ON CONSTRUCTION OR FOR AN OFFICE IN ST.
LOUIS, WE HAD TO PAY THE EARNINGS TAX AND THERE'S NO WAY TO FILE TO GET THAT MONEY BACK.
IT'S A LOT OF MONEY GOING TO THE CITY.
THAT WAS THE IDEA, THAT WHILE YOU WERE WORKING IN CONSTRUCTION IN THE CITY, IF YOU NEEDED A POLICEMAN OR A -- OR A FIREFIGHTER.
OR A FIREFIGHTER OR A MEDIC OR YOU NEEDED THE STREETS TO NOT HAVE POTHOLES, YOU WERE -- THE CITY WAS COVERING THAT COST FOR YOU AS THEY DO FOR US WHEN WE COME TO THE COUNTY TO CHANNEL 9.
THAT'S THE THEORY AT LEAST.
THAT MAKE SENSE?
Caller: HOW MUCH -- I DON'T KNOW.
I'M ASKING A QUESTION.
HOW MUCH REVENUE DOES THAT BRING INTO THE CITY EACH YEAR?
I SHOULD KNOW THAT AND I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.
100 -- IT'S AT LEAST -- IT'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER.
IT'S 100-PLUS MILLION.
100-PLUS MILLION DOLLARS.
A SIGNIFICANT SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR THE CITY.
I THINK IT'S A THIRD OF THE OPERATING -- 30%, I APOLOGIZE, I THINK IT'S ROUGHLY 30% OF THE OPERATING BUDGET.
AND IT FOLLOWS CITY RESIDENTS IF THEY WORK IN THE COUNTY AND THAT'S THE -- IN A PERFECT WORLD, MAYBE EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE THE EARNINGS TACT AND IT WOULDN'T IMPEDIMENT TO THE CITY, BUT WE HAD AN ELECTION AND THE POINT IS EVERY FIVE YEARS, UNFORTUNATELY, THE VOTERS HAVE TO REDECIDE THIS POINT AND FOR A STATE SENATOR FROM ANYWHERE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY TO BE TRYING TO FOIST THIS ON PEOPLE IS JUST AWFUL.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE VOTE.
TO ALVIN'S SUGGESTION THAT THIS HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH A BETTER TOGETHER TYPE OF SCENARIO AND THE CONSOLIDATION OF THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY INTERESTING TO WATCH.
THE CONCEPT IS VERY TROUBLESOME.
YES, TOM, THANK YOU.
LET'S GO TO CAROLYN FROM BELLEVILLE.
HI, CAROLYN.
Caller: HI.
HOW ARE YOU?
Caller: I'M FINE, THANK YOU.
I'M CALLING REGARDING THE LADUE STUDENT MAKING THE SIGN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS IN HIS HEART.
MAYBE IT WAS HARMLESS OR MAYBE IT'S A PART OF A SUBCULTURE THAT'S A RESULT OF THE PRESIDENT THAT WE HAVE.
THE PRESIDENT CALLED HIMSELF A NATIONALIST.
HE'S A WHITE NATIONALIST.
AS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN, WHEN I HEAR WHITE NATIONALIST, I THINK OF KKK AND NEO NAZI.
I THINK THE CLIMATE HAS BECOME UNHEALTHY, ESPECIALLY SINCE HE BECAME PRESIDENT.
I THINK THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP APPEALS TO PEOPLE'S FEAR AND IGNORANCE, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON.
THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT.
THANK YOU.
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
IT IS REALLY HARD FOR ME TO BELIEVE, BECAUSE THIS PRESIDENT LITERALLY SHOOTS HIMSELF IN THE FOOT ON AN HOURLY BASIS, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT WHEN HE SAID THAT HE WAS -- WHEN HE CALLED HIMSELF A NATIONALIST, THAT HE UNDERSTOOD THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT ANY MORE THAN HE UNDERSTANDS THE IMPLICATIONS OF 10 OUT OF 20 OF HIS TWEETS DURING THE DAY.
BUT I -- AND I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, CAROLYN, AND -- WE'LL KEEP IT LOW CUT.
I DO AGREE WITH CAROLYN, BUT I WILL SAY IN THE CASE OF THIS, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE IN LADUE WAS A CASE OF THE KID DOING A NATIONALIST SIGN.
I DON'T KNOW.
AND AS I SAY, I -- IT WAS AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION WITH BILL AND CHARLIE ABOUT HOW IT SHOULD BE COVERED AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, BUT I AGREE WITH CAROLYN IN GENERAL ABOUT THE SENTIMENT ABOUT THE PRESIDENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S FAIR TO NECESSARILY -- I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AT LADUE, IF ANYTHING.
WE'LL SEE.
THANK YOU FOR CALLING, CAROLYN.
THANK YOU FOR THE CALL.
LET'S GO TO TERRY FROM O'FALLON, ILLINOIS.
HI, TERRY.
Caller: HELLO.
YOU'RE ON THE AIR.
Caller: GOOD.
I HAVE TWO THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE GSA SITE, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, THE GEOSPATIAL -- I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST WASTE OF TAXPAYER MONEY THAT THE ST.
LOUIS REGION HAS SEEN SINCE PRUITT IGO.
THEY COULD HAVE BUILT THAT ON THE SITE FREE OF CHARGE FOR THE LAND AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN RIGHT THERE WHERE A VAST MAJORITY OF THEIR WORK CAME FROM WITHOUT HAVING TO RUN NEW COMMUNICATIONS LINES ACROSS THE RIVER.
OKAY, RIGHT.
Caller: THAT'S ABOUT ALL I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT ONE.
HOWEVER, ON THE KID WITH THE OKAY SIGN SUPPOSEDLY, MAYBE A LITTLE HUMOR HERE.
IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE SHOW SEINFELD, THERE WAS AN EPISODE WHERE KRAMER GOT MIXED UP WITH THE VAN BUREN GANG AND THEY HAD A SIGN VERY SIMILAR TO THAT.
MAYBE THAT'S WHAT HE WAS GIVING.
I DON'T KNOW.
KRAMER HAD HIS OWN PROBLEMS.
I GET YOUR POINT.
YOU'RE IN ST.
CLAIR COUNTY, CORRECT?
Caller: CORRECT.
AND LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
IF YOU'RE OUT OF TOWN AND SOMEBODY SAYS WHERE ARE YOU FROM, WHAT'S YOUR ANSWER?
Caller: I'M FROM O'FALLON?
YOU DON'T SAY ST.
LOUIS?
THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS MAKING.
I THINK THE CITY WAS PERFECTLY -- WITHIN ITS RIGHTS.
DID THE RIGHT THING TO KEEP THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE LARGE OPERATION HERE, AND HAVING SAID THAT, I ALSO TRY TO MAKE THE POINT THAT I THINK YOU'RE AS MUCH A PART OF ST.
LOUIS AS ST.
LOUIS IS, BUT APPARENTLY YOU DON'T REALLY LOOK AT -- YOU LOOK AT YOURSELF AS NOT FROM ST.
LOUIS, IS THAT CORRECT?
Caller: WELL, I HAVE FAMILY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER AND WE'VE HAD FAMILY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER FOR MANY YEARS.
BUT IF THE CARDINALS -- IN THE CARDINALS WERE IN THE WORLD SERIES, WHERE ARE YOU FROM?
ST.
LOUIS!
Caller: OH, I'M MORE OR LESS A RACING ENTHUSIAST.
HOWEVER, I PAY ATTENTION TO THE CARDINALS IN THE PLAYOFFS.
OF COURSE, YOU DO.
THAT'S FINE, WE'RE ALL ONE COMMUNITY HERE, BUT THANKS FOR THE CALL, TERRY.
THANK YOU, TERRY.
THANKS TO ALL OUR VIEWERS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER.
LET'S GO TO BRIAN WHO'S IN SOUTH COUNTY, WHICH I THINK IS PART OF ST.
LOUIS.
I THINK IT IS, UNLESS THERE'S BEEN AN EARTHQUAKE.
HI, BRIAN.
Caller: IT IS A PART OF ST.
LOUIS AND AS A COUNTY RESIDENT, THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS WHY I DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY, BUT I SUPPORT THE CITY 100% AND YOU -- I'M FOR THE EARNINGS TAX.
I WORK TWO PART-TIME JOBS IN THE CITY AND I'M SURPRISED NO ONE HAS USED THIS TERM.
IT'S A NECESSARY EVIL.
IT'S A THIRD OF THE CITY'S BUDGET AND IF YOU SLASH A THIRD OF THE CITY'S BUDGET, THE CITY IS GOING TO GO DOWN THE TUBES AND WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE CITY IS GOOD FOR THE REGION AS A WHOLE.
THANK YOU.
Caller: I LIVE IN SOUTH COUNTY AND IT'S NOT EXACTLY THRIVING.
IF THE CITY WERE THRIVING MORE, THE REGION WOULD BE THRIVING MORE.
THE CITY IS THE HEART OF THE REGION WHETHER YOU WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT OR NOT AND THE ONE PERCENT EARNINGS TAX, WHILE I DON'T LIKE IT COMING OUT OF MY PAYCHECK, IT IS A NECESSARY EVIL.
WELL SAID.
WELL SAID, BRIAN.
DO WE HAVE TIME FOR ONE MORE CALLER?
WE HAVE TO BE REALLY QUICK, BOB FROM ST.
LOUIS.
YOU HAVE ABOUT 15 SECONDS.
Caller: HEY, THIS IS BOB.
HOW YOU GUYS DOING?
YOU LOOK UP THERE.
I NECESSITY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TSH NOTICE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TAX.
REALLY QUICK, BOB.
WE'RE ABOUT OUT OF TIME.
Caller: MY THING WAS, OKAY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAX, FINE.
YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT POTHOLES AND EVERYTHING.
I HAVEN'T LIVED HERE THIS LORNG, BUT I NOTICE WHEN IT RAINS, YOU CAN'T SEE THE ROADS.
MAYBE THEY COULD THROW SOME OF THAT INTO PAINT.
YOU CAN'T SEE LINES AND THEN THE POTHOLES ARE THERE.
WE'RE OUT OF TIME.
WE WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU ACROSS OUR REGION FOR SUPPORTING CHANNEL 9 AND WATCHING US AND WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT.
YES, WE WILL.
HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
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