Donnybrook
December 14, 2023
Season 2023 Episode 69 | 27m 47sVideo has Closed Captions
Charlie Brennan debates with Wendy Wiese, Bill McClellan, Alvin Reid, and Ray Hartmann.
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December 14, 2023
Season 2023 Episode 69 | 27m 47sVideo has Closed Captions
Charlie Brennan debates with Wendy Wiese, Bill McClellan, Alvin Reid, and Ray Hartmann.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship>> DONNYBROOK IS MADE POSSIBLE BY T THOMAS PETTER SON FOUNDATION AND THE MEMBERS OF NIN >> THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR ANOTHER EDITION OF DONNYBROOK WHERE WE DISCUSS THE TOP OF THE REGION WITH THE TOP EXPERTS STARTING WITH WENDY WIESE FROM THE BIG 550, KT BILL MCCLELLAN FROM THE ST. LOUIS POST DISPA HARTMANN FROM RAY HARTMANN'S ST. LOUIS INSIDE ON SUBSTACK AND FROM THE ST. LOUIS AMERICAN, ALVIN REID.
NOT A PROGRAM NOTE, BUT A NOTE THAT TOMORROW NIGHT BETWEEN 5 AND 7 WE'LL BE COLLECTING MONEY FOR THE SALVAT LADUE SNUCK'S BETWEEN 5 AND 7.
RAY HARTMANN I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT WHAT HASN'T BEEN TOO SUCCESSFUL OF AN ATTEMPT BY TWO AREA LAWMAKERS TO GET SOME COMPENSATION FOR THO ILLNESS AS A RESULT OF RADIATION PRINCIPALLY IN NORTH COUNTY, AROUND COLDWATER CREEK.
THERE'S SOME RADIATION EXPOSURE COMPENSATION AC PROVIDE FEDERAL DOLLARS FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE SUFFERED C FOR EXAMPLE, AS A RESULT OF NUCLEAR ARMS PROLIFERATION IN THE UNITED STATES.
MISSOURI, AND COREY BUSH, CONGRESSWOMAN, FAILED IN THEIR ATTEMPTS TO GET MONEY FOR PEOPLE.
BECAUSE OF THEIR PERSONALITIES THAT THEY DO GET ALO ANYBODY IN WASHINGTON IS ONE THE REASONS ST. LOUIS DIDN'T GET ANY FEDERAL DOLLARS.
DO Y >> YEAH, I DO.
JOSH HAWLEY'S BEST ISSUE, REALLY HIS BEST ISSUE SINCE BEING A SENATOR IS HE HAS BEEN VERY FORCEFUL ABOUT THE NEED TO GET AID, SUPPORT TO COLDWATER CREEK, SOMETHING I'VE BEEN WRITING ABOUT FOR OVER A DECADE.
ACTUALLY EARLY '80s.
COLDWATER CREEK AND THE LANDFILL, SO MANY ISSU IT'S HARD TO KEEP FROM B HYPERBOLIC, BUT IT IS BEYOND TRAGIC WHAT PEOPLE CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH.
I KNOW A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THROUGH IT.
MAKE THE POINT THAT ROY BLUNT AND LACY CLAY, WHO DID TRY, THEY WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL, BUT I THINK THAT JOSH HAWLEY AND COREY BUSH REALLY HAVE VERY LITTLE CREDIBILITY WITHIN THEIR OWN PARTIES NOW, AND BECAUSE O THAT, THE FACT SO LOUD, IT WAS LIKE CRYING WOLF.
THINK ABOUT IT, THEY ARE K A MIRROR IMAGE OF EACH OTHER, OBVIOUSLY ON DIFFERENT EXTREMES, BUT VERY MUCH BUILDING UP THEIR OWN BRAND TO THE EXCLUSION OF EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND THEM.
SO I ALSO AGREE WITH THE POST DISPATCH.
>> I'LL I DID GO SEE A MOVIE AT THE ST LOUIS INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL AT WASH U ABOUT RADIATION AND HARM IN NEW MEXICO.
A HERO IN THIS MOVIE, AND AT WASH U, HE GOT A LOT OF APPLAUSE FOR HIS HARD WORK TRYING TO GET COMPENSATION.
NOT THE ONLY STATE THAT DID GET MONEY.
SO -- DID NOT LIKE, THE POST DISPATCH TOOK THIS MASSIVE CHEAP SHOT FOR NO REASON AT LACY CLAY, SAYING DESPITE ETHICAL ISSUES, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE ABOUT.
HAVING THEIR IMAGES INHANSE ENHANCED BY THE PEOPLE THAT CAME AFTER THEM.
>> I LIKED LACY CLAY, BUT I THOUGHT THERE WERE ETHICAL -- >> WHAT?
>> I THINK THE POS EDITORIAL PAGE DID NOT LIKE THE FACT THEY GOT MONEY FR LOAN OPERATORS.
SAY.
AMERICAN BUSINESS AND AMERICAN RECREATION, THERE'S A PL TIME FOR SPITE, AND YOU'VE ALWAYS GOT TO BE AWARE OF THAT FACT.
WHAT, I DON'T LIKE YOU, AND IT'S NOT FROM ACROSS THE AISL BECAUSE YOU'RE A DEMOCRA IT HAPPENS.
BILL MCCLELLAN, I WANT IT TO ASK YOU ABOUT SHERIFF VERNON BETTS.
HE'S ON THE OUTS NOW WITH JUDGES IN THE CIRCUIT COURT IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS.
THE HOGAN, HAS WRITTEN A LETTER TO SHERIFF BETTS SAYING WE DON'T NEED YOUR SERVICES A PATROLLING THE COURTS, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT DOING A JOB.
ENOUGH SHERIFFS IN THE CO SOME GRAFFITI SPRAYED ON BENCHES, LAPTOPS STOLEN.
SHE WANTS OFFICERS IN THE COURTROOMS.
HE'S NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> WELL, I I DON'T FIND THE OFFICES AS TERRIBLE AS SO MANY PEOPLE AROUND HERE DO, AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS ONE OF T LAST PATRONAGE PLACES.
SHERIFF MURPHY -- I WASN'T SURE ABOUT SHERIFF MURPHY, BUT MIKE RAN THE OFFICE AND DID A FINE JOB, AND I FEEL THE SAME WAY.
REVEREND VERNON BETTS, THERE'S TIMES I RAISED MY EYEBRO HIM, BUT STEVE ROBERTS RUNS THE OFFICE AND I THINK DOES A GOOD JOB, AND I AM BEWILDERED THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DEPUTIES, BECAUSE THIS IS PATRONAGE OFFICE.
IT'S AN ALDERMAN CAN GET HIS OR HER BROTHER-IN-LAW IN, SO THE FACT TH TIRKS I DON'T GET IT.
BUT ON THE WHOLE, IDEA OF AN INDEPENDENT SHERIFF'S OFFICE RATHER THAN THE JUD HIRING THEIR OWN.
>> Y WHERE A LOT OF FOLKS FINISH THEIR TRAINING TO BE A POLICE OFFICER, AND AS A POLICE OFFICER SOMEWH SO THAT MEANS TH THAT ARE WORKING THERE ARE NOT, LIKE, LAZY OR ANYTHING.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WOUL SAY TO THE JUDGES, W YOU'VE GOT THE MONEY TO HIRE THESE BAILIFFS, HOW ABOUT YOU GIVE ME TH SOME MORE SHERIFF DEPUTIES.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY EASY SOLUTION.
OB GOING ON.
>> VERNON BETTS IS UNPREDICTABLE, AND HE WA PAPER RECENTLY F WORD AGAINST ONE EMPLOYEE.
AND HE MAY NOT BE THE PERSON THAT A LOT O WORK FOR.
>> HE'S A CHARACTER ON THE NORTH SIDE THE SAME WAY JIM MURPHY WAS A CHARACTER ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
PEOPLE LIKED HIM AND THOUGHT HE OUGHT TO RUN THE OFFICE, AND THINK WE OUGHT TO RESPEC >> AND HE DID WIN THOSE ARE PATRONAGE JOBS, BUT HE HAD TO RUN.
>> AND IS NOT AS RARE AS IT ONCE WAS.
>> AND I LEARNED A WHILE AGO NOT TO TAKE HIM ON WHEN HE PLAYS THAT CHICAGO BAD GOVERNMENT CARD.
BUT I WOULD SAY THIS.
I'M A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE MIDDLE HERE.
IF THEIR SECURITY, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO CUT THEM A LITTLE THEY ARE ENTITLED IN THIS DAY AND AGE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
>> BUT I ALSO DO SHOULD JUST LAY IT AT VERNON'S DOORSTEP BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT HE REALLY -- PROBABLY DOESN'T HAV THE RESOURCES, BUT IT MAKE AN INTERESTING PUBLIC SPEECH.
>&g EACH COURTROOM AL ALL DAY LONG.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WITH PEOPLE FILING THINGS ELECTRONICALLY, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
SO WHAT I WOULD SU LOCK THE DOORS TO THE COURTROOM, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE TO BE OPEN, ACCORDING TO LAW.
COURT HAS TO BE OPEN FOR PUBLIC ACCESS, AND PUT A SIGN THERE, AND THE SIGN SHOULD SAY, HEY, IF YOU WANT TO DO BUSINESS, CALL THIS NUMBER, W THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A BAILIFF OR A SHERIFF'S DEPUTY THERE EVERY HOUR OF THE DAY.
>> I WOULD AGREE.
I WILL SAY DOWNFALL OF AMERICAN SOCIETY, YOU KNOW, GOING TO A COURTHOUSE USED TO BE LIKE, IF YOU WERE ON TRIAL, ATTORNEY, YOU WERE A R YOU WERE JUST HANGING OUT.
YOU HAD A TIE ON AND Y DRESSED NICE.
WHEN THINK SECURITY AT THE COURTHOUSE SHOULD CHANGE TOO.
SO IF I THINK IT'S REAL, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THEIR CONCERN DIRECTLY SHOULD BE AT VERNON.
>> I USUALLY LIKE THE WAY JUDGE HOGAN THINKS.
BUT I THINK IN THIS ONE, I'M LEANING TOWARDS VERNON BETTS.
>> HOW BUT YOU ALVIN SPORTS COLUMNIST, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF CRAIG BERUBE, COACH OF THE ST. LOUIS BLUES.
THREE AND A THE STANLEY CUP, AND NOW HE'S OUT.
I MEANT TO SAY THIS EARLIER, MISSOURI COLUMNIST OF THE YEAR.
>> CONGRATULATIONS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT, THEY GAVE ME THE AWARD.
AGAINST THE BLACKHAWKS WHO WERE TERRIBLE, I WAS LIKE, I WONDER IF HE'S GOING TO MAKE THE YEAR.
THEY LOST TO THE REDWINGS, AND HE WAS FIRED.
I JUST THOUGHT TO MYSELF, WELL, HE DOESN'T HAVE THE TEAM HE HAD BEFORE, AND MR. ARMSTRONG, YOU KIND OF SAID COMING INTO THE YEAR WE DON'T KN SO I TRY TO FEEL LIKE HE WAS MADE A SCAPEGOAT, AND I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT I DON'T THINK HE DESERVED TO BE FIRED.
NOW, DO I FEEL SORRY F WHEN THEY GET FIRED?
MAYBE IF THE YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW - >> DOESN'T HE HAVE -- AND I AGREE WITH YOU.
CRAIG BERUBE HAS BEEN AROU HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT THE GAME IS IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD, AND I BELIEVE MARTIN SAID YESTERDAY WITH JOHN AND JULIE THAT HE'S GOT 3 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS LEFT ON CONTRACT.
TOWARDS HIS SOUL.
>> THEY JUST DON'T FIGURE THAT HE CAN WORK RIGHT WITH T PLAYERS.
>> BECAUSE THEY' TEAM AS THEY HAD >> THAT HAPPENS.
SAYING, HEY, WE HAVE ALL OF THESE YOUNG KIDS COMING?
AND THE CHIEF IS JUST TOO HARD ON PEOPLE.
>> IT'S A WE ALL KNOW THAT.
EVERY COACH PRETTY MUCH ABOUT IN EVERY S PROFESSIONAL SPORT, GETS FIRED.
IT'S VERY RARE THAT ONE ST AND ENDS WITH THE SPENDS THEIR CAREER THERE.
BECAUSE OF HIS WINNING, HE SHOULD NEVER BE FORGOTTEN AS THE GUY THAT GOT THE FIRST STANLEY CUP FOR THE BLUES.
I DON'T TH BETTER COACH NECESSARILY, SO I'M SAD KIND OF.
HAVING SAID THAT, I DO THI THAT TEAM MANAGEMENT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT LIKE SCAPEGOAT, BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT INVESTED -- YOU MENTIONED THE TEAM NOT BEING ANY GOOD LA YEAR.
KNOW.
A LITTLE BIT LIKE SENDING HIM OVERBOARD WHEN THEY HAVE NOT PARTICULARLY STEPPED UP WITH AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF RESOURCES.
>> ONCE A AT HOME, AND SOME GUY THAT U TO PLAY FOR THE BLUES HOISTS THE CUP.
>> FORGIVE ME, BECAUSE I AM OBVIOUSLY THE LEAST SPORTS MINDED OF THIS HOWEVER, ARE THERE PARALLELS BETWEEN WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE BLUE WITH THE CARDINALS?
EVENTUALLY THE SPOTLIGHT IS GOING TO GO TO THE PERSON MA ALL THE DECISIONS, WHETHER THAT'S DOUG ARMSTRONG OR YOU'RE THE ONE WHO IS SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A GREAT TEAM THIS YEAR, OR YOU THE ONE WHO IS HIRING TH MANAGERS.
EVENTUALLY YOUR NUMBER MIGHT COME UP.
DO NE NEXT YEAR, THIS TIME AROUND CHRISTMAS, THEY'LL BE INTERVIEWING A GENERAL MANAGER.
&g GLORY DAYS RIGHT NOW IN ST LOUIS SPORTS.
IF YOU LOO HISTORY, ONE OF THE COURSE, WE HAD FOOTBALL, BUT BETWEEN FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL A HOCKEY, ALMOST A OF THE TEAMS HAS HAD A WE'RE IN A LITTLE PERIOD WHERE YOU REALLY DON'T SEE VERY OF WHERE THEY'RE BOTH DOWN.
I CAN EVEN REMEMBER IN THE WHEN THE CARDINALS WERE EVERYBODY WAS EXCITED ABOUT THE BIG RED.
>> I DIDN'T LIVE HERE IN THE '70s, BUT WHAT WERE YOU EXCITED ABOUT?
>> >> AT LEAST THEY WERE EXCITING.
>> EVERYBODY LOVED THE TEAM.
>> OKAY.
>> WENDY I AM THE ONE WHO KNOWS THE LEA ABOUT SPORTS.
>> APPAREN TO GO MESSING WITH OUR BIG >> I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, WENDY, ABOUT HIGHWAY 270, MODOT AND THE GOVERNOR AND OTHERS THIS WEEK ANNOUNCED THEY'RE JU DONE HIGHWAY 270 THROUGH NORTH COUNTY, AND FUNCTIONALLY, IT'S GREAT.
AND YOU CAN GET FROM HERE TO THERE VERY EASILY.
BUT AESTHETICALLY, I'VE GOT ISSUES WITH IT.
INSTEAD OF GREEN VEGETATION ON THE SIDES OF THE ROAD, THEY'VE GOT THESE CONCRETE BOULDERS, WHICH I THINK ARE GOING TO B SUMMER, IMPOSSIBLE TO GET THE LITTER OUT OF.
VEGETATION HAS ALREADY GRO THEM.
TO KILL IT AND THAT DRIPS.
I HOPE THIS IS NOT WHAT WE CAN EXPECT FOR THE NEWLY RENOVATED HIGHWAY 70 THAT THE GOVERNOR IS ALREADY TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT SAY >> WELL, I DO.
THE HIGHWAY THAT I'M DRIVING ON.
>> (LAUGHTER).
>> ART MUSEUM, OR I'LL GO TO A FILM OR WHATEVER.
COULD WE DO BETTER?
YES.
SPENT, THE FUNCTIONAL, SLASH, SAFETY, POSSIBLY, SLASH LIFESAVING IMPROVEMENTS ARE PROBABLY M TERMS OF LIKE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE HOT IN THE SUMMERTIME.
DO YOU TAKE PICNIC LUNCH SIT ON THE BOULDERS?
>> WELL, YOU K ISLANDS.
DOESN'T DO ANYTHING WITH I OPPOSED TO -- TAKE 64, 40 WEST, YOU CAN SEE BEAUTIFUL VEGETATION, LANDSCAPED ROADWAYS ON THE S GREAT APPEARANCE.
> I WOULD SAY WHEN WENTZVILLE, LAKE ST. LOUIS, CHESTERFIELD, IT'S GORGEOUS.
>> ALL OF THE HARDEE'S SIGNS?
>> SOME OPEN LAND WHERE THE DEER AND ANTELOPE ARE PLAYING THE HIGHWAY.
CA ROLINA, I AG AND >> WELL, WE DON'T LIVE IN NO CAROLINA.
>> AND IN NORTH CAROLINA, YOU SEE TH (LAUGHTER).
I WANT TO SPEAK UP.
I WANT TO SPEAK UP.
YOU GUYS ARE SO CYNICAL, BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, I MEAN, YOU YOU HAVE ISSUES, AND I RESPECT THAT.
>> AND I RESPECT THAT, BUT I MEAN, YEAH THERE'S SOME MOUNTAINS, I'LL GIVE YOU THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT YOU'RE CALLING ATTENTION TO IT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT FOR PROBABLY NOT MUCH MORE MONEY THEY COULD GIVE THOUGHT TO MAKING -- AND I THINK THEY WOULD IN OTHER PARTS THOUGHT TO MAKING IT MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY PLEASANT, AND I DO WRONG WITH POINT >> WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE IN 1988, OPERATION BRIGHT SIDE HAD TULIPS AND DAFFODILS ON THE HIGHWAYS, MOSTLY FUNDED THROUGH AD, AND IT LOOKED AND YOU GO TO ARIZONA OR FLORIDA, AND YOU JUST SEE THE SIDES OF THE HIGHWAYS, WHICH ARE VERY NICE, AND BILL, IT'S NOT JUST THE MOUNTAINS BECAUSE WHEN Y FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'LL SE A TRIP OUT THERE.
YOU'LL SEE SCHOOLS THAT -- AND THEY ENCOURAGE YOU TO M AT LEAST TO VISIT, AND THINK -- REMEMBER YEARS AGO, REMEMBER HIGHWAY 70 WHEN THEY RECONFIGURED THE UNDERPASSES AND THEY REALLY GAVE THEM SHORT DRIFT AND THEY HAD TO RE I THINK THIS IS HAPPENING AGAIN.
THAT DESIGN WOULD OTHER PARTS >> I THINK YOU >> YOU KNOW WHAT, I WITH THAT.
KIND OF DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
EARTH.
WE 'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT MAKING THE AREA ATTRACTIVE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S AS MUCH OF DETAIL.
>> THEY'RE NOT FINISHED, MA YBE THEY WILL TAKE YOUR >> HAVE WE GONE ON THAT POLAR EXPRESS YET?
THEY WENT.
>> I DIDN'T, BUT THE WAS ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL.
IT'S NOT FOR ADULTS.
IT'S FOR CHILDREN.
>> OKAY.
>> YES.
>> HOT CHOCOLATE.
TOPIC, MIDAS HOSPITALITY IS A ST. LOUIS BASED COMPANY THAT HAS HOTELS ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.
THEM UNTIL I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH FOR THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE NEWS.
THEY WANT TO REN SHERATON HOTEL AND SUITES AT 14th AND SPRUCE, BUT NOW IT'S KIND OF FALLEN INTO DISREPAIR.
TO RENOVATE, THEY WANT ALMOST $3 MILLION IN TAX BREAKS, BUT NOW THE PRESIDENT OF ALDERMEN MEGAN GREENE AND ALDRIDGE SAY YOU CAN ONLY GET THOSE TAX BREAKS IF YOU DON'T INTERFERE IN ANY WAY WITH THOSE WHO WANT TO RECOGNIZE A YOUR PLACE OF BUSINESS, AND THEY SAY, WELL, WE'D LIKE TO GIVE THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE UN INFORMATION.
SUPPORT THE UNION OR N BREAKS.
>> I HAVE MI IT.
CREDITS?
WHAT THE C IN THEORY, THE CITY, AS A MATTER OF PUBLIC POLICY -- IF THEY'RE NOT TAX FOR TAX CREDITS, THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T HAVE ANY ROLE.
>> IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR IT, THE CITY HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY THESE ARE OUR PRIORITIES, AND YOU'RE GOING TO COMPLY WI IF YOU DON'T COMPLY WITH THEM, GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ABATE IT.
THE CITY CONTINUALLY GIVES ABATEMENTS BEYOND WHAT IT OUGHT TO BE GIVING.
OR WHAT.
IF OR PARTS OF SOUTH CITY, I'M ALL IN FOR IT.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS T GET ABATED, I THINK THE CI A LITTLE TOO GENEROU DOESN'T BOTHER ME IN PRINCIPLE.
>> I'LL SUPPORT THAT, THE UNIONS.
WANT THE UNIONS TO BE ABLE TO COME IN HERE FINE.
INTERFERE WITH SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN TH EITHER.
GIVE THEM THE MONEY, AND LET'S GO OLD CHICAGO STAL STYLE WHER SAY, LIKE, WE'LL GIVE YOU THE MONEY, BUT WE'VE GOT A PROBL WITH THE U THE COME BY ONCE EVERY TWO DAYS.
>> MORE BAD GOVERNMENT.
I LOVE I (LAUGHTER).
ORGANIZE.
THE QUESTION IS, CAN MIDAS HOSPITALITY SAY, HEY, LOOK, YOU SHOULD KNOW WE'RE PAYING Y MORE PER HOUR THAN THE GUYS DOWN IT THE MARRIOTT, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE THE CASE.
SO WHAT MIDAS HAS NO POSITION WHATSOEVER.
>> AND THAT' THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
>> MIDAS HAS WITH UNIONS.
>> THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, NOT IN THIS AREA.
>> I REMEMBER NONUNION IN ARIZONA, AND THEY INTERFERED GREATLY WITH ANY EFFOR ORGANIZE.
OUR REGION.
ON >> AND THAT'S ANOTHER BE CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO IS WHENEVER THEY'RE THROWING O THE ABATEMENTS A ARE GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION, DO WE NEED MORE -- HOW ARE HOTELS WE'VE GOT DOING?
AND ARE WE BECAUSE AGAIN, IF YOU WANT THE CLASSIC EXAMPLE, IT'S BALLPARK VILLAGE.
OF SUBSIDY BECAUSE IT DIDN'T NEED IT AN BUNCH OF RESTAURANTS OUT OF BUSINESS.
THE DEVELOPER THERE, GREEN STREET, GET THE RIGHT OF EMINENT DOMAIN TO PUT IN A NICE BREWERY AND APARTMENTS WHERE RIGHT NOW THERE IS A FLY A THE CONVERGENCE BODY AND DANCE STUDIO, AND THEY ALSO HAVE THE IT'S TIME FOR DINNER PREPARATION SERVICE, SMALL LITTLE COMPANIES.
SHOU DOMAIN?
BECAUSE IT'S SO DAVID AND GOLIATH.
ABOUT INSTITUTIONS AND ADAPTING OR DYING.
AND SO IF I LIVE IN BRENTWOOD, AND IF I THINK THAT THERE'S MAYBE POTENTIAL THAT IS NOT BEING REALIZED, THEN YEAH, I COULD SEE MYSELF THINKING A NICE LITTLE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT MI >> I WOULD LIKE TO DI YOU.
YOU SUBSTACK ON TH SUBSTACKED ON THIS THIS WEEK.
FIRST OF ALL, TH THE GOVERNMENT'S POWER OF EMINENT DOMAIN, WHICH WOULD BE EXERCISED BY AN OUTSIDE LAW FI AND ALL OF THAT.
BUT I THINK IT IS ABSOLUTELY ABUSIVE.
HAVE ZERO TAX ABATEMENTS, TAX -- CORPORATE WELFARE, AS CLAYTON, AS CHESTERFIELD.
STATE LAW THAT WAS DESIGNED TO PROMOTE, INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT IN POOR RURAL TOWN, FACTORY, NORTH ST. LOUIS, WHATEVER IT IS, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE FOR.
THEY'RE NOT DESIGNED TO BL >> EMINENT DOMAIN, IT'S HORRIBLE.
HAVE SURVIVED, A FAMILY COMPANIES AND ALL OF THIS STUFF, AND GREEN STREET SAYS, WELL, WE DON'T W BUT IT JUST GIVES THEM A HUGE CLUB TO NEGOTIATE WITH.
IT'S AWFUL.
>> AND YOUR SUBSTACK WAS GO OD.
>> THIS COULD HAPPEN.
LEAV >> PEOPLE ARE PAYING 1 WHAT THE BUSINESS IS WORTH >> THAT'S RI IT IF YOUR PROPERTY IS TAKEN EMINENT DOMAIN, YOU GET 10 TIMES.
WH ISTLING WHILE WE GOT FIRED.
>> KEEP IN MIND THE MAIN TIMES EMINENT DOMAIN IS USED IS FOR ROADS.
>> AND >> EXACTLY.
A COMMERCIAL PROJECT LIKE THIS.
>> YOU CAN.
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