>> BRAUDE: TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON," IMMIGRATION RIGHTS GROUPS ARE SUING FLORIDA GOVERNOR RON DESANTIS FOR THE RELOCATION PROGRAM THAT SENT TWO PLANES OF MIGRANTS FROM TEXAS TO MARTHA'S VINEYARD.

I'LL TALK WITH ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS BEHIND THE SUIT, HARVARD LAW SCHOOL'S RON SULLIVAN.

THEN LATER, INSTEAD OF THROWING FOOD AWAY AT THE END OF THE NIGHT, THE APP TOO GOOD TO GO HELPS RESTAURANTS AND OTHER FOOD SUPPLIERS SELL LEFTOVERS AT A DISCOUNT.

TWO LOCAL PARTICIPANTS FROM A LEGENDARY BAR AND RESTAURANT AND A NEW BAKERY JOIN ME.

>> BRAUDE: WHEN TWO PLANES CARRYING MIGRANTS LANDED, WITH NO NOTICE, IN MARTHA'S VINEYARD IN SEPTEMBER, IT DIDN'T TAKE LONG FOR FLORIDA GOVERNOR AND POTENTIAL 2024 PRESIDENTIAL HOPEFUL RON DESANTIS TO PROUDLY TAKE CREDIT FOR DEFRAUDING NEARLY 50 PEOPLE INTO BOARDING THESE PLANES, WITH FALSE PROMISES OF JOBS AND HOUSING.

THE STUNT WAS PART OF FLORIDA'S SO-CALLED "RELOCATION PROGRAM," WHICH SENDS MIGRANTS TO "SANCTUARY DESTINATIONS," WITH $12 MILLION DOLLARS IN FUNDING, TAKEN FROM FEDERAL CORONAVIRUS AID.

IT'S OBVIOUSLY SADISTIC, BUT A COALITION OF IMMIGRANTS RIGHT GROUPS ARGUE IT'S ALSO ILLEGAL.

THE GROUP FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST DESANTIS, AND HIS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA ON THURSDAY, CALLING THE RELOCATION PROGRAM UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

AND ONE OF THE LAWYERS ON THE CASE FOLLOWED UP IN A STATEMENT, CALLING IT, "NOTHING MORE THAN AN EXPENSIVE POLITICAL STUNT DESIGNED TO FEED DESANTIS' POLITICAL AMBITIONS ON A DIET OF XENOPHOBIC, STATE-SPONSORED HARASSMENT."

ANYONE DISAGREE?

THAT LAWYER IS RON SULLIVAN, WHO'S ALSO A HARVARD LAW PROFESSOR AND THE DIRECTOR OF THE UNIVERSITY'S CRIMINAL JUSTICE INSTITUTE.

WE'LL ALSO GET RON'S THOUGHTS ON TRUMP'S CALL TO SUSPEND THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.

FOOD TO SEE YOU, RON.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AS WELL.

>> Braude: WHAT ARE YOU ARGUING?

>> TWO-FOLD.

FIELD PREEMPTION.

A CONCEPT THAT STATES, IN CERTAIN AREAS, CERTAIN FIELDS, THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HAS EXCLUSIVE AUTHORITY OVER IT, AND STATES CAN'T GO STICKING THEIR NOSE INTO THESE AREAS.

THEY ARE PREEMPTED FROM DOING SO.

>> Braude: AND IMMIGRATION IS ONE OF THEM.

>> IMMIGRATION IS ONE OF THEM, THE CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION SAYS WHATEVER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS GOING THERE IT WINS OUT.

THAT'S THE FIRST.

>> Braude: LET'S STAY WITH THE FIRST.

INDIVIDUAL STATES DO THINGS LIKE, SAY, IF YOU WANT TO BE A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE, A COP OR TEACHER, YOU HAVE TO BE A CITIZEN.

WHY CAN A STATE DO THAT?

I THINK THAT'S LEGAL, AND NOT DO WHAT DeSANTIS DID.

>> CERTAIN AREAS ARE EXCLUSIVE OCCUPIED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LIKE MOVING PEOPLE AROUND FROM STATE TO STATE.

THERE ARE CERTAINLY AREAS WHERE IT WILL BE SO UTTERLY CHAOTIC LIKE MARTHA'S VINEYARD, THAT IF YOU ALLOW EACH STATE TO DO THAT IT WILL MAKE A MOCKERY OF THE SYSTEM.

>> Braude: EQUAL PROTECTION ARGUMENT.

>> A NOTE THAT NOT ALL MIGRANTS WERE CHOSEN FOR THIS PROGRAM BUT ALL LATIN-AMERICAN MIGRANTS.

SO WE MADE AN EQUAL PROTECTION ARGUMENT THAT WE THINK IS WELL JUSTIFIED.

>> Braude: WHO ARE THE PLAINTIFFS?

>> WE ARE REPRESENTING THREE GROUPS THAT REPRESENT MIGRANTS, WE'RE NOT REPRESENTING THE INDIVIDUALS THEMSELVES.

THE THEORY, YOU'RE ABOUT TO ASK -- >> Braude: I AM ABOUT TO ASK.

SAVED A COUPLE OF SECONDS.

GO AHEAD.

>> THE THEORY IS THESE GROUPS HAVE HAD TO EXPEND EXTRAORDINARY RESOURCES DEALING WITH THIS STUNT.

HENCE, THEY HAVE WHAT WE CALL STANDING TO COME INTO COURT AND ORDER -- ASK THE COURT TO ORDER DeSANTIS TO STOP.

>> Braude: ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A DECK DECLARATION HE STOP OR FINANCIAL -- TWONCHT THINGS, THE INJUNCTION AND DECLARATION.

THE INJUNCTION MEANS STOP IT AND THE DECLARATION SAYS THIS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR BOTH REMEDIES.

>> Braude: AS YOU WELL KNOW, THERE'S OTHER LAWSUITS PENDING, CIVIL LAWSUITS PENDING, LAWYERS FOR CIVIL RIGHTS BASED RIGHT HERE IS SUING, I THINK, DeSANTIS, BUT I THINK AT LEAST SOME OF THE MAJOR PLAYERS AROUND DEFRAUDING PEOPLE, THE BAIT AND SWITCH WITH THAT WOMAN, PEARL, I THINK HER NAME WAS, WHO WAS MAKING ONE REPRESENTATION AND DOING ANOTHER, DO THESE THINGS INTERSECT OR ARE THEY ALL ON SEPARATE TRACKS?

THEY'RE ON SEPARATE TRACKS.

THE ONE YOU'RE DESCRIBING WAS FILED IN MASSACHUSETTS, ARGUING DIFFERENT GROUNDS THAN WE ARE.

IMPORTANT CASE, JUST DIFFERENT.

>> Braude: IF IT STURNS OUT THAT YOU BELIEVE THEY ARE VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION BY DOING THIS, I MAY GET MY NUMBERS WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE GOVERNOR ABBOTT IN TEXAS HAS SENT SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 10,000 PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY, A COUPLE OF BUS LOADS TO KAMALA HARRIS' RESIDENCE, I THINK 2,500 PEOPLE TO NEW YORK CITY, AND I BELIEVE WILL ALL PEOPLE OF COLOR, ALMOST ALL FROM LATIN-AMERICAN COUNTRIES.

ARGUABLY, I KNOW THIS IS NOT YOUR LITIGATION, BUT JUST SO I UNDERSTAND IT, IS ABBOTT COMMITTING THE SAME OFFENSES OR VIOLATING SIMILAR LAWS TO WHAT YOU ARE ARGUING DeSANTIS IS?

>> ONE HUNDRED%.

SOMEONE IN TEXAS CAN TAKE OUR BRIEFS AND CHANGE THE NAMES AND IT'S THE SAME VIOLATION.

HOPEFULLY OUR BRIEFS CAN BE USED AS A TEMPLATE IN TEXAS, AS WELL.

>> Braude: HAS ANYTHING LIKE THIS EVER BEEN DONE BEFORE?

I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY AMAZING -- THIS IS A POLITICAL, NOT A LEGAL QUESTION.

HE DOES THIS, MY WORDS, SADISTIC -- YOUR WORD IS ILLEGAL OR UNCONSTITUTIONAL -- AND HE'S PORTRAYED AS THE MODERATE ALTERNATIVE TO DONALD TRUMP IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY PROCESS FOR THE NOMINATION FOR PRESIDENT.

>> ABSOLUTELY SCARY.

I WILL ADOPT YOUR WORDS SADISTIC.

YOU DON'T TREAT OTHER FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS LIKE THIS.

MORALLY IT'S WRONG, CONSTITUTIONALLY, THEY HAVE TO STOP IT.

MY PARTICULARLY TOOL SET IS CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO USE.

BUT IT IS HORRIFIC.

>> Braude: AND I INTERRUPTED MYSELF FOR A CHANGE AS OPPOSED TO A GUEST -- HAS ANYTHING LIKE THIS EVER BEEN DONE IN ANY OF THESE ANTI-IMMIGRANT WAVES IN U.S. HISTORY.

>> MOTTO MY KNOWLEDGE.

I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST OF ITS KIND.

>> Braude: ANOTHER POLITICAL QUESTION.

QUESTION 4, WHICH WAS A YES VOTE, A LAW GIVING UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE A RIGHT TO DRIVER'S LICENSE STAYED IN PLACE.

I'M NOT SURE THAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

DONALD TRUMP, AS HE CAME DOWN THE ESCALATOR, AS WE ALL KNOW, SAID THEY'RE RAPISTS AND MURDERERS AND IT REALLY PROPELLED THE THING.

DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE MORE LEARNING AND MORE TOLERANT AND UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE LIVES OF PEOPLE LIKE THESE?

>> I THINK THEY ARE.

THEY SEE THESE ARE CONCRETE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IMPACTED.

I TELL YOU WHAT, REALLY QUICKLY, I WAS SO PROUD OF THE WAY THE PEOPLE IN MARTHA'S VINEYARD RESPONDED.

>> Braude: INCREDIBLE.

AND WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO, THEY WANTED TO PAINT A PICTURE OF THERE ARE THESE ELITE RICH PEOPLE THAT DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT LOW-INCOME PEOPLE WHO DON'T LOOK LIKE THEM, AND IT WAS EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.

YOU'RE AHEAD OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE STUDENTS, YOU ARE A CRIMINAL LAWYER IN YOUR FORMER LIFE.

THE SHERIFF IN BEXAR COUNTY IN TEX SAID CRIMES HAVE BEEN COMMITTED.

I'M NOT SURE HE'S IDENTIFIED.

PLAYING THE ROLE OF HALF-ASSED, LAWYER WHICH I WAS IN MY FORMER LIFE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATUTES SAY IN FLORIDA, TEXAS OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT HUMAN TRAFFICKING, KID MAPPING, FALSE IMPRISONMENT -- I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH PRECISE DEFINITIONS.

IT SEEMS TO ME IT COMES PRETTY CLOSE TO ALL THOSE THINGS.

YOU TELL PEOPLE SOMETHING THAT IS UNTRUE TO GET THEM TO DO SOMETHING AND THEN YOU ESSENTIALLY KIDNAP THEM AND DEPOSIT THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE UNDER POTENTIALLY ADVERSE CIRCUMSTANCES DESPITE HOW GOOD THE PEOPLE IN MARTHA'S VINEYARD WERE.

AM I WAY OFF OR NO.

>> NO, YOU ARE SPOT ON.

EVERY TIME I SEE YOU I AM IMPRESSED BY YOUR LEGAL KNOWLEDGE.

>> Braude: PLEASE DON'T DO THAT.

>> YOU STILL REMEMBER.

>> Braude: SERIOUSLY -- NO, IT'S FRAUD AND ALL SPECIES OF FRAUD, CRIMINAL FRAUD.

THERE'S THE SPENT, THE ACTION, THINGS HAPPEN IN THAT PARTICULAR JURISDICTION, CONSPIRACY.

THERE ARE A LOT OF POTENTIAL CHARGES.

>> Braude: IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THERE ARE THREE STATES INVOLVED NOT TO PURCHASE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, RACHEL RECALL BS WILL BE SITTING THERE THURSDAY.

THIS IS POTENTIALLY THERE SOMETHING FOR A U.S. ATTORNEY IN ONE OF THE JURISDICTIONS TO LOOK INTO, NO?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE STATES, THAT BECOMES INTERSTATE ACTIVITY AND THAT'S PART OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

>> Braude: CAN WE CHANGE GEARS.

>> YES.

>> Braude: STATUS IS JUST FILED, SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF TIME BEFORE WE KNOW WHAT DIRECTION WE'RE GOING IN.

>> Braude: CAN WE TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE SINCE YOU ARE A CONSTITUTIONAL GUY.

TRUMP OUTDID HIMSELF.

HE WENT ON TRUTH SOCIAL AND IS REFERENCING INCORRECTLY A MODERATION DECISION AROUND HUNTER BIDEN MADE BY TWITTER PRIOR TO THE 2022 ELECTION AND HERE'S WHAT HE POSTS, THIS IS TRUMP, A MASSIVE FRAUD OF THIS TYPE AND MAGNITUDE ALLOWS FOR TERMINATION OF ALL RULES, REGULATIONS AND ARTICLES EVEN THOSE FOUND IN THE CONSTITUTION.

I'M ALMOST EMBARRASSED TO ASK YOU THE QUESTION, WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION TO THIS AND WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE FACT THAT MAYBE A HANDFUL OF REPUBLICANS HAVE CRITICIZED HIM AND AT LEAST THE INITIAL EVIDENCE IS HE'S MOTT GOING TO LOSE A LOT OF VOTERS WHO SWEAR BY HIM BECAUSE HE LOVES THE SECOND AMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION BUT WANT TO THROW THE REST OF THE CONSTITUTION IN THE TRASH.

>> MY REACTION WAS TWOFOLD -- ONE, ABSOLUTELY DUMBFOUNDED THAT A FORMER UNITED STATES PRESIDENT SAID LET'S THROW OUT PART OF THE CONSTITUTION.

SECOND, MY SECOND REACTION WAS JUST SHAME AND MAYBE PARTLY ANGER, TOO, THAT THERE WAS NOT A COURSE OF VOICES FROM ALL SIDES THAT SAID THIS IS WRONG, STOP IT, STOP IT NOW.

>> Braude: I HAD THE EXACT SAME REACTION.

WHEN I WAS ASKING YOU IF YOU THOUGHT THERE WAS A BETTER ENVIRONMENT VIS-A-VIS IMMIGRANTS, AS I WAS USING ONE AROUND MASSACHUSETTS, QUESTION 4, BUT THE ABSENCE OF UPROAR WHERE PEOPLE SAY THIS IS THE FINAL STRAW.

I HAVE TO SAY EVEN WITH TRUMP I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE HI POST WORDS LIKE LET'S TOSS CONSTITUTION IN THIS CASE, AND THE END OF THE SENTENCE WHICH IS PUT ME BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

IT'S DISTURBING TROPICAL STORM NOT AN UPRISING AROUND THIS.

>> IT'S SCARY THAT POLITICIANS ARE NOT MAKING A PRINCIPLED DECISION ANYMORE.

IT'S ALL ABOUT WHO BRINGS THEM VOTES.

THAT'S SCARY.

>> Braude: AN ANDY BOREO BOROWITS SAID TRUMP WANTS TO GET RID OF THE CONSTITUTION EXCEPT THE FIFTH AMENDMENT.

>> THE FINAL SAFETY VALVE TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY IS PEA OF GOOD CHARACTER.

THERE'S AN ASSUMPTION THERE THAT PEOPLE OF GOOD CHARACTER WILL PUT PEOPLE OF GOOD CHARACTER IN OFFICE, AND THAT PEOPLE OF GOOD CHARACTER WILL MAUVE IN A CERTAIN WAY.

IF WE LOSE THAT, WE LOSE IT ALL.

>> Braude: BEAUTIFULLY PUT, RON SULLIVAN.

GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR LITIGATION.

NEXT UP, A THIRD OF ALL FOOD IN THE U.S., AND AROUND THE WORLD, ENDS UP IN LANDFILLS.

AND ALL THAT WASTE IS A MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR TO CLIMATE CHANGE..

GIVING OFF 10% OF ALL GREENHOUSE GASES.

THERE ARE PROBLEMS AT EVERY STAGE OF FOOD PRODUCTION AND CONSUMPTION.

BUT THE APP TOO GOOD TO GO IS WORKING TO CUT BACK ON WASTE FROM RESTAURANTS AND OTHER FOOD SUPPLIERS, AND MAKE QUALITY FOOD AVAILABLE FOR LESS, AT THE SAME TIME.

IT WAS FOUNDED IN DENMARK, BUT NOW HAS NEARLY 180,000 BUSINESSES AROUND THE WORLD SIGNED UP, INCLUDING MORE THAN 270 IN BOSTON.

I'M JOINED NOW BY TWO LOCAL PARTICIPANTS: ZAID KHAN IS THE EXECUTIVE CHEF AT FAIRMONT COPLEY PLAZA, HOME OF OAK LONG BAR AND KITCHEN.

AND OR OHANA IS CO-FOUNDER OF THE BAKERY AND CAFE, BAKEY, IN DOWNTOWN BOSTON.

GREAT TO MEET YOU BOTH, GENTLEMEN.

THANKS FOR HAVING US.

>> Braude: TELL US ABOUT YOUR PLACE AND HOW THE APP WORKS.

>> BAKEY IS ACTUALLY A BAKERY THAT ALLOWS OUR GUESTS TO HAVE PASTRIES OUT OF THE OVEN.

THE PASTRY YOU SEE ON THE TABLE IS MADE EIGHT TO TWELVE TIMES A DAY.

YOU AS A GUEST WALK IN, YOU HAVE THE GOOEY CHOCOLATE, CHEESE STICK WITH THE MELTING AND STRETCHING CHEESE, THIS IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO GIVE, BECAUSE WHEN I'M GOING TO THE BAKERY I'M TOUCHING THE SHEET PANS.

>> Braude: GREAT SMELL, TOO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> Braude: SO WHAT HAPPENS, AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU HAVE LEFTOVERS, OBVIOUSLY.

>> YES.

>> Braude: WHAT DO YOU DO?

SO WE STARTED DONATING THE LEFTOVERS.

WE DID IT AT A WOMEN'S LUNCH PLACE IN NEWBURY.

WE FOUND TOO GOOD, AND TOO GOOD TO GO BECAME OUR SOLUTION AND WE DONATE HAVING LESS WAYS USING TOO GOOD.

AT THE DAY'S END WE HAVE 30 TO 50 PEOPLE WAITING FOR SPLICE BOXES WITH PASTRIES IN IT.

>> Braude: THERE'S AN APP, PEOPLE SIGN UP AND SEARCH IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD FOR WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING TO BE AND FIND A PLACE LIKE YOURS.

WHY DO YOU PARTICIPATE IN THIS?

>> ETH PART OF OUR SUSTAINABILITY EFFORTS.

WE'RE TRYING TO COMBAT FOOD INSECURITY AND CUT DOWN OUR FOOTPRINT.

EVERYTHING WE PUT IN THE TRASH HAS CARBON EMISSIONS ATTACHED TO IT.

WE'RE A BIG OPERATION AND A BIT OLDER.

WE HAVE BEEN THERE 110 YEARS.

>> Braude: THAT'S A LITTLE OLDER.

>> WE'RE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT AVENUES AND OUTLETS WHERE WE PRODUCE WASTE WHICH WICK MITIGATE.

>> Braude: YOU CARE ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF THERE WASN'T SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHAT PERSONALLY OF FOOD DO YOU THINK IS DISPOSED OF EITHER COMPOSTED OR LANDFILLED.

>> TEN%.

>> Braude: THAT'S PRETTY LOW.

WE HAVE MORE AVENUES TO RECYCLE FOOD, YOU KNOW.

WE HAVE OUR STAFF CAFETERIAS WHICH WE SERVICE OUR INTERNAL GUESTS WITH.

WE DONATE TO SHELTERS AS WELL.

WE PARTNER WITH RESCUE AND LEFTOVER CUISINE, THEY DO A FANTASTIC JOB, AND THIS IS LOWERING THAT AGAIN.

>> Braude: DO YOU DO THIS -- WELL, THE PURPOSE OF TOO GOOD TO GO IS ABOUT AN ANTI-FOOD WASTE OPERATION, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THERE ARE A TON OF OTHER BENEFIT FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU, LIKE WHAT FOR EXAMPLE?

>> I'M USING TOO GOOD.

>> Braude: REALLY?

I'M ENJOYING TOO GOOD.

>> Braude: WHY?

FIRST OF ALL, AS A RESTAURANT OR BAKERY, I CAN HAVE MY SHELF FULL ALL DAY AND, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I CAN ALLOW OTHER GUESTS TO ENJOY THE FOOD THAT I'M HAVING MORE AT A LOWER COST.

>> Braude: SO YOU MIGHT GET A NEW CUSTOMER WHO MIGHT NOT BE THERE OWNERSHIP AND MAKE A FEW BUCKS ON THE SIDE.

>> AND SAVING MONEY ON PACKAGING THIS WASTE.

WHEN YOU YOU WANT TO DONATE IT THERE IS A WHOLE PROCESS TO DO IT -- PACKAGE IT, DELIVER IT, IT'S A PROCESS.

>> Braude: AND IS THERE A SAME BENEFIT TO YOU BEYOND THE ENVIRONMENTAL THING OR IS THAT THE CENTRAL THING?

>> IT'S LESS ABOUT FINANCIAL.

THERE'S A CERTAIN -- AS YOU ALLUDED TO -- A LACK OF CONTROL YOU HAVE IN FOOD PRODUCTION, RIGHT SOMESOME DAYS CAN BE INEVITABLY BUSIER THAN OTHERS.

IT'S NOT A PERSPECTIVE SCIENCE.

YOU CAN FETE AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN BUT THIS ALLOWS YOU TO FIND A SECOND HOME FOR THE OVERAGE.

>> Braude: I'M TRYING TO BE HIGH MINDED LIKE I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THE FOOD.

I AM REALLY INTERESTED.

WHAT IS THIS?

>> THIS HERE IS A TYPICAL OFFERING FROM OUR PREOP YUM GOLD FLOOR, FAIRMONT GOLD.

WE HAVE YORGT PARFAIT, FRUIT, BACON, CROISSANTS, SCRAMBLED EGGS.

THIS IS $21 WORTH OF VALUE AND THE CONSUMER GETS IT FOR SEVEN DOLLARS.

>> Braude: THIS WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR SEVEN DOLLARS.

>> SEVEN DOLLARS.

>> Braude: THEY WOULDN'T KNOW THEY WERE GETTING THIS BUT THIS IS TYPICAL.

>> TYPICAL.

>> Braude: WHAT IS THIS?

THIS IS OAK LONG BAR AND KITCHEN'S FAMOUS HALF BAKED BREAD.

WE HAVE A FEW LEFT OVER.

YOU UNDERSTAND THE SCIENCE OF BAKING.

A GREEN SALAD.

YOU BATCH HEAT UP CLAM CHOWDER FOR THE GUESTS SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME LEFT.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU CANNOT RECYCLE.

WE HAVE A SHRIMP AND GRITS ON OUR MENU SO WE ALWAYS HAVE THREE OR FOUR JALAPEÑO CHEESE GRITS AND YOU PACKAGE IT UP AND HAVE A SALAD.

>> Braude: HOW MUCH FOR THIS AS WELL.

>> SEVEN DOLLARS.

>> Braude: A THIRD OF THE PRICE.

>> YES.

>> Braude: YOU DO MORNING AND END OF THE DAY.

>> YES.

>> Braude: HOW MANY SURPRISE PACKAGES ARE AVAILABLE.

WE STARTED WITH TREE AND THREE, JUST TO GET IT GOING.

AS WE'RE GROWING, WE'RE STARTING TO GIVE AWAY IN THE EVENINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE WE HAVE EVENT BUSINESS AS WELL.

OUR MANAGER IN THE RESTAURANT WILL COMMUNICATE WITH OUR EVAINT MANAGERS AND THEY WILL PACKAGE THINGS UP, A SHORT RIB, TENDERLOINS, GOOD STUFF.

>> Braude: WHO'S THE TYPICAL PERSON WHO DOES A SURPRISE BAG?

YOU CAN DO THE WHOLE THING ONLINE, IDENTIFY THE RESTAURANT, TYPE IN WHEREVER YOU WORK, YOUR COMMUNITY, SEE WHAT THE AVAILABLE, YOU CLICK ON IT AND PAY FOR IT.

>> SO A LOT OF COLLEGE STUDENTS, OBVIOUSLY.

THE BEAUTY OF THE APP FOR US IS IT BRINGS PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN GETTING A DEAL AND FIGHTING FOOD WASTE WITH US TOGETHERCH IT CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT TO CONNECT WITH YOUR COMMUNITY BUT THIS APP ALLOWS US TO CONNECT.

>> Braude: WHO'S YOUR TYPICAL END-OF-THE-DAY CUSTOMER?

>> STUDENTS, NEIGHBORS, AND THOSE WHO KNOW TOO GOOD IS AVAILABLE FOR US.

>> Braude: TELL ME WHAT YOU HAVE HERE.

>> OUR FAMOUS CHOCOLATE BATKA, AN EASTERN EUROPEAN CASE, STARTED WITH LIKE BUNS WITH A LAM FATED DOUGH MORE LIKE A CROISSANT.

>> Braude: CAN I BITE THIS?

GO AHEAD, I'M LISTENING.

>> AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE COMING IN, 30 TO 50.

WE CHANGE IT ALL DAY.

SO I CAN GO TO THE APP NOW AND INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PACKAGES I'M GOING TO DO.

>> Braude: WHAT'S THIS THING?

WHICH ONE?

>> Braude: WHAT'S THE NEXT THING.

KEEP GOING.

>> THE NEXT THING -- >> Braude: DO YOU WANT A TASTE.

>> I'LL HAVE SOME AFTER.

I'LL NEED A BIB.

>> Braude: GO AHEAD.

SPINACH AND CHEESE BALL.

SALADS WE MAKE IN-HOUSE EVERY DAY.

IT CAN BE A MIX.

>> Braude: THIS THING AT THE END OF THE DAY IS LEFT OVER.

>> YES.

>> Braude: A SURPRISE.

BUT THIS IS A TYPICAL SAMPLING.

>> WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT HAVE A PIECE OF BREAD, A SAVORY AND SWEET PASTRY, AND IF WE HAVE SALADS, WE HAVE THAT AS WELL.

>> Braude: BUSINESS ISOTOMY STRONG SUIT, I HAVE TO ADMIT, BUT WHEN I'M READING THIS APP WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE RADIO AND THINKING ABOUT YOU GUYS, WHY WOULD ANY RESTAURANT BUSINESS OR BAKERY NOT PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM?

WHAT IS THE DOWN SIDE?

IS THERE ANY?

>> PROBABLY A FEAR IT COULD BE A BIT CLUNKY TO WORK WITH BUT THE APP IS SUPER, SUPER USER FRIENDLY.

IT'S VERY EASY.

IT ALLOWS YOU TO FLEX UP AND DOWN.

THE IDEA ISN'T TO CREATE MORE FOOD.

YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEONE WANTS, YOU KNOW, YOU FINISH YOUR SERVICE, YOU'VE GOT FIVE MEALS.

THE IDEA IS NOT TO CREATE MORE.

THE IDEA IS TO MOVE AND FLEX UP AND DOWN WITH YOUR BUSINESS VOLUMES.

SO YOU HAVE CONTROL, AS THE PROPRIETOR.

>> Braude: DO YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY IS THERE SEEMS TO BE -- AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T GENERALIZE, BUT I WILL -- A HIGH LEVEL OF SOCIAL CONSCIOUSNESS ON THE PART OF RESTAURATEURS.

YOU'VE WORKED IN A LOT OF PLACES.

YOU'RE FROM AUSTRALIA, RIGHT.

>> RIGHT.

>> Braude: AND YOU'VE WORKED IN ISRAEL FOR A LONG TIME.

>> YEAH.

>> Braude: IS IT LIKE THAT THERE?

>> YES, BUT UM SEEING THE SHIFT HERE THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.

SOCIAL CONSCIOUSNESS IS GROWING AND THE MOVEMENT IS MOVING, RIGHT?

WE'RE PART OF A COMMUNITY HERE, WHETHER IT'S THE HOTEL COMMUNITY, THE RESTAURANT COMMUNITY OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO PARTICIPATE.

>> Braude: DO YOU FEEL THE SAY WAY?

IS THAT SORT OF THE SAME MINDSET?

I KNOW YOU HAVE A PARTNER BUT IS THAT THE SAME DEAL.

>> WE DON'T USE TOO GOOD IN ISRAEL BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE SAME IN ISRAEL ON OUR OWN BUT NOT AS EASY AS TOO GOOD.

WE'RE DOING IT WITH OUR COMMUNITY OR INSTAGRAM OR Facebook, AND WE DO IT AND OUR GUESTS KNOW THAT WE HAVE THOSE DISCOUNTS DAILY.

BUT WE HERE WE HAVE IT EASILY WITH TOO GOOD.

>> Braude: I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN IN OPERATION A YEAR.

BUT I'VE LIVED MANY PHILADELPHIA AND NEW YORK.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE LEV AN DEPTH OF INVOLVEMENT OF PEOPLE WHO OWN OR ARE LEADERS IN RESTAURANTS AND BAKERIES LIKE IN BOSTON.

IF YOU FIND THAT HERE?

>> FIRST OF ALL, BOSTON WAS VERY ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE OF THAT.

>> Braude: IS THAT TRUE.

YEAH.

WE CAME TO BOSTON BECAUSE WE FELT EMBRACED BY PEOPLE, CHEFS, OWNERS, OTHER OWNERS.

THERE WAS NOT A FEAR THAT WE WILL COME TO THE SAME BUSINESS.

THEY HELPED ME, THEY TAUGHT ME.

I FELT THIS WAY.

>> Braude: AND THE REASON THAT BIG HUGE BOX THERE, IT'S ONE OF THE WAYS.

>> IT'S EITHER BAGS OR A BOX.

IT DEPENDS WHICH ITEMS ARE INSIDE BUT WE USE THE BOX AS WELL.

>> Braude: SO THEY GO TOO GOOD TO GO APP, THEY IDENTIFY YOUR PLACE, YOUR PLACE OR ONE OF ANOTHER COUPLE HUNDRED IN BOSTON, THEY CLICK ON IT AND IF THEY GET IT IN TIME THEY HAVE STUFF LIKE THIS AT THE END OF THE DAY.

GOOD FOR IS ENVIRONMENT AND STOMACH AND ALL THINGS.

PLEASURE TO MEET YOU.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> BRAUDE: ZAID KHAN, OR OHANA, THANKS.

FOR MORE INFO, YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THE TOO GOOD TO GO APP, OR HEAD ONLINE TO TOOGOODTOGO.COM.

THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT, BUT COME BACK TOMORROW.

CO-FOUNDER OF BLACK VOTERS MATTER, LATOSHA BROWN JOINS ME ON THE DEMOCRATS DECISION TO END NEW HAMPSHIRE'S LONG REIGN AS THE FIRST STATE TO HOLD A PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY.

PLUS, GOOD NEWS FOR ONE OF MY FAVORITE CAUSES: THE FOUR-DAY WORK WEEK.

PLUS HER LAST THOUGHTS ON THE GEORGIA SENATE RUNOFF WITH WHICH SHE WAS CLOSELY INVOLVED.

A B.U.

ECONOMIST JOINS ME ON WHAT SHE LEARNED FROM A 33-COMPANY TRIAL RUN.

THAT AND MORE, TOMORROW AT 7:00.

THANKS FOR WATCHING, AND STAY SAFE.

PLEASE DON'T FORGET UKRAINE.

Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org >> HEY, FOLKS!

EDGAR B. HERWICK III HERE FROM GBH'S "CURIOSITY DESK," WHERE YOU ASK QUESTIONS, AND I FIND ANSWERS.

TODAY, WE'RE AT THE FAMED MASSACHUSETTS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, WHERE THANKS TO A QUESTION FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE'S LORRAINE VON SNEIDERN, WE ARE LITERALLY CHASING RAINBOWS.

>> MY QUESTION IS, WHY ARE THE RAINBOWS THAT I SEE OUTSIDE AFTER A RAINSTORM ALWAYS A PERFECT ARC?

>> RAINBOWS ARE, OF COURSE, ONE OF NATURE'S MOST CHARMING TRICKS OF LIGHT.

AND LIGHT IS EXACTLY WHAT SCIENTIST MATHIAS KOLLE SPENDS HIS DAYS PONDERING.

IN ORDER FOR A RAINBOW TO APPEAR IN THE SKY, YOU NEED THREE INGREDIENTS, SO TO SPEAK.

SUNLIGHT, RAIN DROPS, AND YOU.

AND, AS KOLLE EXPLAINS, ALL THREE HAVE TO BE IN A VERY PARTICULAR SPOT FOR THE MAGIC TO HAPPEN.

>> SO, THE SUN HAS TO BE BEHIND YOU.

>> OKAY.

>> THAT'S THE FIRST THING, THERE'S SUN BEHIND YOU.

THEN THERE HAS TO BE WATER IN THE ATMOSPHERE IN FRONT OF YOU.

AND THAT'S USUALLY WHEN IT RAINS, YOU GET THE CONDITION.

AND THEN, WHAT DO YOU ALSO WANT TO DO IS YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE RIGHT SPOT.

>> THESE POSITIONS ARE CRITICAL BECAUSE OF THE TWO PHENOMENA RESPONSIBLE FOR THE APPEARANCE OF A RAINBOW-- COUPLE OF OLD FRIENDS YOU MIGHT REMEMBER FROM MIDDLE SCHOOL-- REFRACTION AND REFLECTION.

REFRACTION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR A RAINBOW'S COLORS.

WHEN SUNLIGHT ENTERS A RAINDROP, IT BENDS.

WHITE LIGHT, LIKE SUNLIGHT, IS COMPRISED OF A SPECTRUM OF COLORED LIGHT.

NOW, EACH COLOR IS AT A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAVELENGTH AND BENDS AT A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ANGLE WHEN IT ENTERS THE DROPLET.

>> ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU GET THIS SPLITTING OF COLORS.

THE REDS AND THE ORANGES AND THE GREENS AND THE BLUES GO IN SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

>> AFTER THE LIGHT ENTERS THE RAINDROP AND IS SPLIT INTO ITS COMPONENT COLORS, A SMALL PORTION OF IT REFLECTS OFF THE BACK AND HEADS IN A NEW DIRECTION.

WITH EACH COLOR NOW ON A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PATH, IT REFRACTS ONE MORE TIME AS IT'S LEAVING THE DROPLET AND HEADS BACK DOWN TOWARD THE EARTH AT A VERY PRECISE ANGLE-- 40 DEGREES FOR THE RED, ABOUT 42 DEGREES FOR THE VIOLET, WITH THE OTHER COLORS IN-BETWEEN.

AND THAT'S JUST ONE RAINDROP!

ALL OF THIS IS HAPPENING AT AN INCREDIBLE SCALE, WITH LITERALLY BILLIONS OF RAYS OF LIGHT HITTING BILLIONS OF RAINDROPS.

>> IT HAPPENS IN EVERY RAINBOW, AS LONG AS IT SEES THE RAY OF SUN, IT WILL DO THAT REFRACTION, REFLECTION, REFRACTION THING.

BUT IF YOU'RE NOT STANDING IN THE RIGHT POSITION, YOU WILL NOT SEE THIS BY MOST OF THE RAINDROPS.

>> BUT IF YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT POSITION, THAT MAGIC ANGLE BETWEEN 40 AND 42 DEGREES, THERE WILL BE RAINDROPS GALORE, THROWING INNUMERABLE BEAMS OF DISTINCT RED, ORANGE, YELLOW, GREEN, BLUE, INDIGO, AND VIOLET LIGHT RIGHT AT YOU.

AND THE RAINDROPS THAT ARE AT THAT PERFECT ANGLE-- RELATIVE TO THE SUN, AND YOU-- FORM A DISTINCT SHAPE.

>> ALL THE DROPLETS THAT ARE ON THIS ARC ARE GOING TO SEND THE LIGHT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR ME TO CATCH IT.

>> SO WE HAVE THINK ABOUT IT THREE-DIMENSIONALLY, RIGHT.

SO IT'S LIKE THIS.

>> EXACTLY.

>> AND MY ELBOW'S KIND OF MY EYES.

>> ELBOWS WOULD BE YOUR EYES IN THE SCENARIO.

EXACTLY.

>> YOU CAN THINK OF IT LIKE A CONE, WITH YOU AT THE POINT, AND THE RAINBOW APPEARING ALONG THE CIRCUMFERENCE OF THE BASE.

NOW, AS FOR WHY THE ENTIRE CIRCUMFERENCE DOESN'T LIGHT UP LIKE A RAINBOW?

WELL, THE GROUND GETS IN THE WAY.

IF YOU COULD GET UP HIGH ENOUGH, SO THAT THERE'S A LOT OF RAIN BELOW YOUR FEET?

WELL, KOLLE SAYS, "IMAGINE YOU'RE JACK ON A BEANSTALK."

>> AND AS HE CLIMBS UP, THIS ARC WOULD ACTUALLY SHIFT WITH HIM, BUT EXTEND FURTHER AND FURTHER BELOW AND START TO ACTUALLY, ONCE IT'S IN HALF ARC, START TO ARC BACK ON ITSELF.

AND AS HE CLIMBS HIGHER AND HIGHER, THIS ARC MIGHT CLOSE.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU DON'T HAVE AN ARC, BUT YOU HAVE A CIRCLE.

>> A RAIN CIRCLE?

>> A RAIN CIRCLE.

NOT A RAINBOW ANYMORE.

A RAIN CIRCLE.

>> AND IF YOU THINK RAIN CIRCLES ARE COOL, CONSIDER THIS-- ALL OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL RAINDROPS THAT ARE MAKING THE RAINBOW THAT YOU SEE, ARE UNIQUE TO YOUR POSITION, AND THEY'RE CHANGING CONSTANTLY, MOMENT TO MOMENT.

SO, FORGET ABOUT LEPRECHAUNS AND POTS OF GOLD.

THE REAL MAGIC IS IN THE SCIENCE, AND THE FACT THAT ANYTIME YOU SEE ONE, YOU ARE LITERALLY STANDING IN THE CENTER OF YOUR OWN PERSONAL RAINBOW.

DON'T FORGET TO LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE, AND PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANTLY, LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU ARE CURIOUS ABOUT!

BECAUSE, NO MATTER HOW COLORFUL THE QUESTION, I MIGHT LOOK INTO IT FOR YOU.

I'M EDGAR B. HERWICK III.

STAY CURIOUS OUT THERE.

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