NEGOTIATIONS, THE UNION AND POLICE OFFICERS HAVE AGREED TO A FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT.

I AM JOINED BY LARRY CALDERONE, PRESIDENT, BOSTON POLICE PATROLMEN'’S ASSOCIATION AND YAWU MILLER, SENIOR EDITOR, "BAY STATE BANNER TO GO OVER THE REFORMS.

FIRST, YOUNG VOTERS ARE FEELING DEEPLY DISTRUSTFUL OF PRESIDENT BIDEN AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP ON SEVERAL KEY ISSUES.

THAT IS ACCORDING TO A NEW POLL BY THE INSTITUTE OF POLITICS AT HARVARD KENNEDY SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT WHICH PREDICTS A SHARP DECLINE IN YOUTH VOTER TURNOUT IN 2024 COMPARED TO THE RECORD-SETTING TURNOUT IN 2020.

FOR A DEEP DIVE I AM JOINED BY JOHN DELLA VOLPE, DIRECTOR OF POLLING, INSTITUTE OF POLITICS AND ETHAN JASNY, A HARVARD STUDENT AND CHAIR, PUBLIC OPINION PROJECT.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

JOHN, YOUTH VOTER TURNOUT WAS HUGE FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN IN 2020.

THE PICTURE LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT HEADING INTO 2024.

HOW MUCH OF THINGS CHANGED, OR DO THINGS SEEM POISED TO CHANGE?

JOHN: THINGS ARE IN A STATE OF FLUX I WOULD ARGUE BUT TO TAKE ONE STEP BACK, I THINK WE DO NOT HAVE A PRESIDENT BIDEN TODAY IF NOT FOR THE INCREASING LEVELS OF PARTICIPATION IN 2020 AND OVERWHELMING SUPPORT, 60%+ IN MOST STATES FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN IN 2020.

WE THINK ABOUT THE FIVE BATTLEGROUND STATES, ARIZONA, GEORGIA, PENNSYLVANIA, WISCONSIN , AND IN EACH OF THOSE STATES PRESIDENT TRUMP WON THE VOTE OF PEOPLE OVER 45.

A HIGHLY ENERGIZED YOUTH VOTE WAS A CORE BUILDING BLOCK OF THAT CONSTITUENCY, IT IS CRITICAL.

ADAM: I'’M GLAD YOU OFFER THAT PERSPECTIVE.

YOU WORKED WITH THE BITING CAMPAIGN TO GET OUT THAT VOTE.

JOHN: I DID.

ADAM: THE BIG NUMBER THAT JUMPED OUT IS AT THIS POINT IN THE LAST ELECTION CYCLE, 57% OF PEOPLE 18-29 SAID THEY WERE LIKELY TO VOTE, AND IT IS DOWN TO 49%.

DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHY?

JOHN: A COUPLE THINGS, THE PEOPLE WHO SELF IDENTIFY AS DEMOCRATS ARE ON THE SAME PAGE AS LIKELY VOTERS BUT THERE IS A SHARP DECREASE AMONG REPUBLICANS, DOUBLE DIGITS, AND AN INCREASING NUMBER OF PEOPLE CHOOSING TO IDENTIFY AS INDEPENDENT.

THAT IS THE GROUP SPECIFICALLY, AFRICAN-AMERICAN, YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN, HISPANIC AND LATINO ARE FEELING DISENFRANCHISED AT THIS POINT RELATIVE TO WHERE WE WERE FOUR YEARS AGO.

ADAM: ETHAN, I WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE GROUPS JOHN MENTIONED.

WE HAVE A CHART THAT WE SHOULD PULL UP TO GIVE VIEWERS A SENSE OF THE DIFFERENT GROUPS.

YOU LOOK AT BLACK VOTERS, 12% DROP IN PEOPLE SAYING THEY ARE LIKELY TO VOTE.

HISPANIC VOTERS, 16% DROP.

I WAS STRUCK BY THOSE BUT ALSO BY THE DROP IN WOMEN, SAYING THEY ARE LIKELY TO VOTE, ESPECIALLY POST JOBS -- POST-DOBBS.

THEY DROP ABOUT NINE POINTS.

I WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR SENSE WHY THOSE GROUPS MAY NOT BE AS EXCITED?

ETHAN: IT IS NOT JUST LIKELIHOOD TO VOTE THAT WE HAVE SEEN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS A PROPORTION OF HISPANICS AND BLACK AMERICANS IDENTIFYING AS DEMOCRATS DECREASE.

THEY ARE NOT BECOMING REPUBLICANS BUT INDEPENDENTS.

THERE IS NOT A BIG DECLINE IN DEMOCRATS BUT FEWER IDENTIFYING AS DEMOCRATS.

THAT DECLINE IS SUPER IMPORTANT.

AS TO WHY THERE IS THIS DISENGAGEMENT AMONG YOUNG BLACK AND HISPANIC INDIVIDUALS, IT COULD BE A COMBINATION OF FACTORS, NOT SEEING THEMSELVES REPRESENTED IN VARIOUS WAYS.

THEY FEEL THEY ARE IN WORSE FINANCIAL SITUATIONS.

THE ECONOMY IS HAVING MORE ADVERSE EFFECTS ON THEM.

THAT COULD BE A REASON WHY THEY ARE LESS LIKELY TO ENGAGE.

ADAM: DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE DROP IN WOMEN'’S INTEREST IN VOTING?

THAT OF ALL YOUR FINDINGS IS THE ONE THAT SURPRISED ME THE MOST.

ETHAN: I THINK THAT IS SURPRISING.

THE GOOD NEWS IS ABORTION IS A REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE GOING FORWARD.

IT WILL ENGAGE YOUNG WOMEN IN PARTICULAR.

WE FOUND FINDINGS THAT YOUNG AMERICANS SAY ABORTION IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE IN CHOOSING WHICH STATE TO LIVE IN.

THIS IS AN ISSUE AFFECTING PEOPLE'’S LIVES, PARTICULARLY YOUNG WOMEN.

IF YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY ARE NOT SURE IF THEY WILL VOTE IN 2024, THEY SAY IF THERE IS AN ABORTION REFERENDUM, THEY WOULD DEFINITELY VOTE.

THAT IS CONCERNING IF YOU ARE BIDEN AND THE DEMOCRATS BUT ABORTION AND REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS IS A WAY OF ADDRESSING THAT.

JOHN: WHEN WE DO FOCUS GROUPS, AND WE DO DOZENS OF THEM OVER THE YEAR, IT IS COMMON THAT A YOUNG WOMAN SPECIFICALLY OF COLOR WILL SAY, I DID MY JOB, I VOTED IN 2016 AND 2020.

IT SEEMS LIKE THE MORE I VOTE, THE FEWER RIGHTS I HAVE.

RIGHTS ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY DESPITE THE FACT I AM PARTICIPATING.

WE ARE FOCUSED ON HELPING YOUNG PEOPLE SEE THAT THEIR VOTE MATTERED IN 2020.

IT IS A DIFFERENT COUNTRY BECAUSE OF THEM.

WE DO -- WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN MEMBER OF THE SUPREME COURT.

YOUNGER PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING NOT TO PAY AS CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE NEWS AND IN MANY CASE MISS THE PROGRESS BEING MADE, WHICH IS DEPRESSING LEVELS OF PARTICIPATION.

ADAM: YOU MENTIONED THE FOCUS GROUPS THAT YOU DO.

I WAS LISTENING TO A "NEW YORK TIMES" PIECE TALKING ABOUT YOUR FINDINGS IN ONE OF THE FOCUS GROUPS YOU MENTIONED.

THE YOUNG VOTERS YOU SPOKE TO DO NOT THINK THE PRESIDENT AND THE FORMER PRESIDENT AND POLITICIANS GENERALLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THEIR PROBLEMS.

THEY THINK THEY UNDERSTAND THEM BUT ARE NOT ACTING TO AMELIORATE THEM.

JOHN: THAT IS RIGHT, AND THOSE INDEPENDENTS LESS LIKELY TO VOTE DO NOT SEE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PARTIES AND THEY WILL TELL YOU BOTH PARTIES ARE RUN BY ELITES, AND THEY ARE CHOOSING TO FOCUS ON SERVICING THE ELITES RATHER THAN THE WORKING CLASS AND PEOPLE MORE VULNERABLE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY, SPECIFICALLY YOUNGER PEOPLE.

ADAM: PEOPLE ARE NOT KEEN ON PRESIDENT BIDEN, 35% APPROVAL IN THIS POLL.

HE IS STRUGGLING WITH APPROVAL NUMBERS.

YOU FOUND YOUNG VOTERS CONCEPTUALIZE THEIR SUPPORT FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN DIFFERENTLY FROM TRUMP VOTERS THINK THROUGH THEIR SUPPORT FOR HIM.

CAN YOU BREAK DOWN THE DIFFERENCE.

ETHAN: A LARGE MAJORITY WHO VOTE FOR BIDEN SAY THEY WILL DO SO TO PREVENT FORMER TRUMP -- FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP FROM BECOMING PRESENT AGAIN.

ON THE FLIPSIDE, THE MAJORITY OF TRUMP VOTERS ARE DOING SO OUT OF LOYALTY TO THE PRESENT POLICIES.

THAT POINTS TO THE FACT THAT THERE IS NOT THAT MUCH NATURAL ENTHUSIASM FOR THE PRESIDENT BUT NEGATIVE PARTISANSHIP IS A POWERFUL FORCE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HEAD TO HEAD AMONG LIKELY VOTERS, BIDEN VERSUS TRUMP, BIDEN IS HEADING MARGINS WHERE HE WAS AT IN 2020.

A LOT OF THAT WAS ABOUT OPPOSITION TO TRUMP.

THE IMPORTANT PART OF BIDEN'’S ROLE GOING FORWARD IS TO EMPHASIZE THE QUALITIES OF HIS ADMINISTRATION AND ALL HE HAS DONE AND ACCOMPLISHED OVER THE LAST 3-4 YEARS, AND POINT OUT AND REMIND PEOPLE WHAT LIFE WAS LIKE BETWEEN 2016-2020 UNDER THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

THAT IS A POWERFUL FACTOR.

ADAM: JOHN TOOK A STEP BACK EARLIER, I HOPE YOU CAN TAKE A STEP BACK BECAUSE YOU ARE PART OF THE COHORT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE BELIEFS OF YOUNGER VOTERS, IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE GENERALIZATIONS THAT CUT ACROSS PARTY LINES?

WHATEVER THEIR CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT, HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT ISSUE, THEY ARE UNITED ON X Y AND Z?

ETHAN: WHAT WE CAN SAY IS OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS, OUR GENERATION, YOUNG PEOPLE 18-29 HAVE GOTTEN MORE PROGRESSIVE ON A VARIETY OF ISSUES.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT ISSUES LIKE, DO YOU THINK THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD DO MORE TO ADDRESS POVERTY, CLIMATE CHANGE, PROVIDE MORE WELFARE, THOSE QUESTIONS HAVE SUPPORTED DOUBLE DIGITS INCREASE OVER THE LAST 10-15 YEARS.

YOU DO NOT SEE A PORTION WHO IDENTIFY AS DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS CHANGING MUCH OF ANYTHING.

ADAM: I DO NOT MEAN TO INTERRUPT.

ETHAN: IN GENERAL, THERE IS A MOVEMENT UNDERNEATH THE PARTY ID FOR MORE PROGRESSIVE POLICIES.

ADAM: THERE WERE A COUPLE TRAITS THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME, GROWING SUPPORT FOR ABORTION ACROSS THE BOARD.

A PLURALITY OF PEOPLE 18-29 IDENTIFY AS INDEPENDENTS.

SUPPORT FOR LABOR UNIONS WITH THE POSSIBLE EXCEPTION OF POLICE UNIONS, AND FOR REPUBLICANS, STARBUCKS UNIONS.

THIS GROUP IS NOT EXCITED ABOUT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, A THIRD BELIEVE IT WILL WORSEN THEIR JOB PROSPECTS MOVING FORWARD.

THEN THERE IS THE DISTRUST PIECE, WHICH WE ALLUDED TO AT THE START OF THE SEGMENT.

I WANT TO PULL UP A POLL QUOTE THAT HIGHLIGHTS HOW MUCH PEOPLE DO NOT TRUST THE CURRENT PRESIDENT AND THE FORMER PRESIDENT.

THE LINE IN QUESTION, A PLURALITY TRUST EITHER BIDEN OR TRUMP ON ISRAEL AND HAMAS, UKRAINE, CLIMATE CHANGE, GUN VIOLENCE, HEALTH CARE, CRIME AND PUBLIC SAFETY.

IS THAT LEVEL OF DISTRUST -- JOHN: IT IS A PROBLEM.

IT IS ALL TOO ORDINARY.

AS WE SEE, THIS INCREASING LACK OF TRUST IN MAJOR INSTITUTIONS.

ADAM: JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU HAVE DONE 46 OF THESE POLLS.

10 YEARS AGO WOULD WE HAVE SEEN SIMILAR DISTRUST WITH THE FRONT RUNNERS?

JOHN: IN 2020 WE SAW LESS DISTRUST, SPECIFICALLY ON THE ECONOMY.

BIDEN HAD A SIGNIFICANT ADVANTAGE, BUT WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN LACK OF TRUST IN INSTITUTIONS SPED UP BY COVID AND VACCINES.

WHAT THOSE NUMBERS TELL US IS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF YOUNG AMERICANS ARE STEPPING BACK.

THEY HAVE NOT BEEN PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE POSITIVE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE ADMINISTRATION.

IT IS FOR THE WHITE HOUSE TO FIND A WAY TO SQUARE THAT UP, TO COMMUNICATE THAT IT IS A DIFFERENT COUNTRY, THERE IS MORE ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE.

THERE IS GUN VIOLENCE LEGISLATION.

THERE IS AN EFFORT TO BRING PEACE TO ISRAEL AND HAMAS.

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SEEING.

BECAUSE OF YOUNG PEOPLE AND THE SURGE OF CONCERN AROUND THE MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS, THEY ARE CHOOSING NOT TO SPEND TIME ON THINGS THAT STRESS THEM OUT.

POLITICS AND THE NEWS STRESS THEM OUT, SO THEY ARE NOT SEEING THESE ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

THAT IS WHY WE SEE A LACK OF TRUST.

ADAM: IS IT FAIR TO SAY ANOTHER THING THE ADMINISTRATION COULD BE DOING IS FOCUSING ON ABORTION?

YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW THAT IS A MOTIVATING FORCE.

ACROSS THIS AGE COHORT, PEOPLE THINK IT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE.

PRESIDENT BIDEN IS NOTORIOUSLY UNCOMFORTABLE TALKING ABOUT IT, GIVEN HIS OWN PERSONAL TAKE ON THE ISSUE.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BEHOOVE THE PRESIDENT MOVING FORWARD?

ETHAN: YES, AND RESULTS WITH ABORTION IS KEY, NOT JUST SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT BUT PUT ON BALLOTS.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD BE LIKELY TO VOTE ON A REFERENDUM ON ABORTION.

GETTING THOSE ON THE BALLOT IS AN IMPORTANT STRATEGY, AND DOING WHAT YOU CAN AT THE STATE LEVEL, NOT JUST WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION DOES.

ABORTION IS A REALLY KEY ISSUE ESPECIALLY FOR YOUNG WOMEN.

ADAM: IS THAT SOMETHING PRESIDENT BIDEN WOULD BENEFIT FROM DOING?

JOHN: WITHOUT QUESTION.

THERE IS INTEREST IN PUTTING THAT BALLOT MEASURE ON IN MONTANA.

THAT WOULD INCREASE YOUTH PARTICIPATION WHICH WOULD HELP SENATOR TESTER'’S REELECTION AS WELL.

ADAM: JOHN DELLA VOLPE AND ETHAN JASNY, THANK YOU FOR BREAKING THIS DOWN.

NEXT UP, THE BOSTON POLICE HAVE RATIFIED A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY.

IT COMES WITH RETROACTIVE PAY BUMPS THE CITY'’S OFFICERS AND KEY REFORMS THAT MAYOR WU HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR SINCE SHE WAS A CANDIDATE.

WHILE BOTH WU AND THE UNION SAY THIS IS A WIN-WIN, SOME CRITICS SAY THE REFORMS WILL NOT GO FAR ENOUGH.

WHAT IS IN THE AGREEMENT AND WHAT WAS LEFT ON THE CUTTING FLOOR?

JOINING ME TO DISCUSS IS LARRY CALDERONE, PRESIDENT, BOSTON POLICE PATROLMEN'’S ASSOCIATION AND YAWU MILLER, SENIOR EDITOR, "BAY STATE BANNER .

THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE.

THE MAYOR MADE A POINT OF HIGHLIGHTING THAT THIS CONTRACT WAS REACHED THROUGH NEGOTIATION RATHER THAN ARBITRATION.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS SIGNIFICANT TO PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH HOW THIS SHAKES OUT?

LARRY: THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON.

AND FORGETTING AN INSIDE VIEW OF HOW THE POLICE CONDUCT ITSELF AND THE MEMBERS WE REPRESENT.

THE ARBITRATION PROCESS IS RUN THROUGH A STATEWIDE COMMITTEE CALLED THE LABOR-MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE.

THEY HELP WHEN CONTRACTS ARE STALLED.

IT IS A LONG AND TEDIOUS PROCESS, IT IS FAIR TO BOTH SIDES OF THE TABLE BUT IT DOES TAKE TIME.

IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO SIT DOWN WITH THE MAYOR AND HER TEAM , AND GET SOMETHING WE COULD BRING BACK TO THE MEN AND WOMEN I REPRESENT, AND HAVE THEM VOTE TO RATIFY IT.

IT IS A FASTER PROCESS.

TYPICALLY, BOTH SIDES MAKE IT BETTER WHEN YOU HAVE A NEGOTIATED CONTRACT THAN AT THE JOINT LABOR-MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN INDEPENDENT ARBITRATOR.

YOU PRESENT YOUR TESTIMONY AND YOUR REASONS WHY.

WE ARE ADVOCATING FOR THE PEOPLE WE REPRESENT, THE CITY IS DOING THE SAME ON THEIR SIDE, AND IT 10 MORE OFTEN THAN NOT TO NOT BE SATISFACTORY TO BOTH SIDES.

EACH SIDE GETS A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT THEY WANT BUT EACH SIDE DOES NOT GET A LITTLE BIT.

YOU ARE BETTER OFF NEGOTIATING.

ADAM: WHEN YOU WENT TO YOUR MEMBERS AFTER NEGOTIATING THIS DEAL AND SAID TO THEM, THIS IS A GOOD DEAL AND WE SHOULD TAKE IT, WHAT DID YOU HIGHLIGHT?

LARRY: ACTUALLY THE WHOLE DEAL.

THE MEN AND WOMEN I REPRESENT ARE VERY HAPPY WITH THE DEAL, THEY THINK IT IS FAIR AND HELPS POLICING EVOLVE INTO THE FUTURE.

AND IT HELPS BRING A NEW LIGHT TO THE SERVICES WE PROVIDE TO THE CITIZENS OF BOSTON ON A DAILY BASIS.

IT WAS A LANDSLIDE VICTORY AS FAR AS THE VOTE WENT.

THAT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF WHEN IT COMES TO HOW GOOD THE DEAL IS.

ADAM: A LOT OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS WE WILL GET INTO.

YAWU MILLER, YOU HAVE WRITTEN A LOT FOR THE CASE FOR REFORM, DOES THIS CONTRACT THAT LARRY SAYS HIS MEMBERS SEE AS A SLAM DUNK OR LANDSLIDE VICTORY -- I CANNOT REMEMBER WHICH METAPHOR YOU USED -- DOES IT INCLUDE ANY REFORMS THAT YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED OVER THE YEARS AS SIGNIFICANT OR COMMENDABLE?

YAWU: ABSOLUTELY.

THE EXPANDED LIST OF CRIMES THAT ARE NOT SUBJECT TO ARBITRATION IS SOMETHING PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PUSHING FOR, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE THINGS, CERTAIN CATEGORIES OF CRIME THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ON THAT LIST THAT ARE VERY COMMON.

ADAM: BEFORE WE GET INTO THE WEEDS, TO BE CLEAR I WANT TO DESCRIBE THIS IN LAYPERSON ONLY TERMS.

THIS IS A LIST OF OFFENSES THAT AN OFFICER HYPOTHETICALLY CAN COMMIT.

BACK IN THE DAY IF YOU COMMITTED ONE OF THESE VIOLATIONS, YOUR DISCIPLINE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE ARBITRATION PROCESS, AND NOW IT IS NOT.

IN MY SUMMARIZING THAT CORRECTLY?

LARRY: THAT IS CORRECT.

ADAM: WHAT ARE SOME OFFENSES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT?

LARRY: FOR INSTANCE, ASSAULT AND BATTERY, YOU WOULD NOT GO TO ARBITRATION FOR THAT.

IF INTERNAL AFFAIRS FOUND YOU HAD COMMITTED SUCH A CRIME, YOU WOULD BE OUT OF THE DEPARTMENT.

SIMPLE ASSAULT AND BATTERY, THE MOST COMMON ASSAULT AND BATTERY CASES IN BOSTON AND THE COUNTRY IN A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SITUATION -- THAT IS STILL SUBJECT TO ARBITRATION.

IF INTERNAL AFFAIRS DEEMS YOU ARE GUILTY OF SUCH A THING, YOU COULD GO TO ARBITRATION.

MOST OF THE TIME OFFICERS ARE REINSTATED.

THERE ARE CERTAIN CATEGORIES OF CRIME THAT ARE QUITE COMMON THAT SEEM TO BE EXCLUDED FROM THE LIST OF THINGS THAT WILL GET AN OFFICER OUT WITHOUT A CHANCE OF COMING BACK.

LARRY: IT IS A BIG LIST OF OFFENSES NO LONGER SUBJECT TO ARBITRATION.

-- ADAM: IT IS A BIG LIST OF OFFENSES NO LONGER SUBJECT TO ARBITRATION.

WHY IS ASSAULT AND BATTERY NOT ON THERE?

BUT TO COLLECT A LOAN?

LARRY: MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE REQUEST THROUGH THE MAYOR'’S OFFICE, HISTORICALLY OUR CASES OFFICERS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN.

WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO FROM A UNION STANDPOINT IS PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH HAS BEEN.

THERE IS NOTHING A POLICE OFFICER DISLIKES MORE THAN A ROGUE POLICE OFFICER, SOMEONE WHO IS INVOLVED IN CRIMINAL ACTS.

NO MAN OR WOMAN IN UNIFORM WANTS TO WORK NEXT TO A CRIMINAL.

THAT IS NOT WHO WE ARE OR SHOULD BE, AND NOT WHAT THIS UNION WANTS TO REPRESENT.

WHEN IT CAME TO THIS LIST OF OFFENSES, THE MAYOR AND HER TEAM WERE LOOKING TO ADD INTO THIS PROCESS INTO THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, IT WAS A NO-BRAINER FOR US.

ADAM: I WAS GOING TO ASK, YOU GOT AHEAD OF ME, I WAS GOING TO ASK IF IT WAS A TOUGH SELL TO YOUR MEMBERS TO HAVE THESE OFFENSES SPECIFIED THAT WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO ARBITRATION, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS NOT.

LARRY: NO, IT WAS NOT.

IF I JUMP AHEAD OF YOU, GIVE ME A WEEK.

ADAM: I ALWAYS GO BE IN SLOW.

ONE OF THE PROVISIONS HIS MEDICAL LEAVE.

THE PRESS RELEASE SAID ORDINARILY 10% OF OFFICERS ARE OUT ON MEDICAL LEAVE.

THAT, I BELIEVE, HAS IN THE PAST BEEN SUBJECT TO ARBITRATION BUT NOW IT WILL INVOLVE AN INDEPENDENT MEDICAL EXAM OR -- EXAMINER MAKING THE CALL.

AM I GETTING THAT RIGHT?

LARRY: YOU ARE CORRECT, A THIRD OPINION WILL COME FORTH.

THE OFFICERS HAVE THEIR OWN PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN, THE DEPARTMENT HAS A PHYSICIAN THAT FOLLOWS UP, BUT IF THOSE PHYSICIANS DISAGREE, AN INDEPENDENT THIRD-PARTY PHYSICIAN WILL MAKE THAT CALL.

ADAM: ANOTHER IMPORTANT AREA THAT WE SHOULD HIGHLIGHT IS DETAILS.

FOR THE LAYPERSON, THE SIMPLE TAKE ON IT, THERE WILL NOT BE HIGH PRIORITY DETAILS THAT PAY HIGHER.

THE FIRST CRACK AT THOSE GO TO MEMBERS OF YOUR UNION.

THEN THERE WILL BE LOWER PRIORITY DETAIL WORK WHICH WILL GO TO A WIDER GROUP OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING CIVILIANS.

AND NO MORE DOUBLE BOOKING.

AN OFFICER SLATED TO WORK FOUR HOURS THAT WRAPS UP TWO, BUT THEY GET PAID FOUR AS THEY GO ON TO ANOTHER DETAIL, IS THAT A FAIR SYNOPSIS?

LARRY: YES.

IN MORE SIMPLISTIC TERMS, I THINK, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A GOOD GRASP ON THE SAFETY DETAIL SYSTEM.

FOR ANYONE LISTENING OR WATCHING, YOU CANNOT TAKE ANOTHER JOB UNTIL THAT CLOCK EXPIRES.

IF YOU ARE DOING A FOUR HOUR JOB, YOU CANNOT TAKE ANOTHER JOB UNTIL THAT FOUR HOURS EXPIRES SO YOU ARE NOT GETTING PAID FOR TWO JOBS AT THE SAME TIME.

ADAM: DETAIL REFORM IS SOMETHING PEOPLE HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN IN A LONG TIME.

IN TERMS OF WHAT IS POSSIBLE WHEN IT COMES TO REFORMING DETAILS, HOW FAR DOES THIS CONTRACT GO?

YAWU: IT IS HARD TO SAY.

PEOPLE WANTED -- THE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH OFFICERS TO FILL THE DETAILS, AND WHAT PEOPLE WERE PUSHING FOR WAS FOR CIVILIANS TO BE HIRED ON THESE PROJECTS, PARTICULARLY IN CASES WHERE THE DEPARTMENT COULD NOT FILL HIS ASSIGNMENTS.

WHAT THIS DOES IS GIVE MUNICIPAL POLICE, UNIVERSITY POLICE, OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT ACCESS TO THOSE JOBS.

THE LOWEST PRIORITY IS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SWORN OFFICERS TO HAVE ACCESS.

IT FALLS PRETTY FAR SHORT OF WHAT PEOPLE WERE ASKING FOR.

THEY SAW AN ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY .

THESE DETAILS ARE LUCRATIVE OR PEOPLE WOULD NOT SIGN UP FOR THEM.

IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN HOW MANY CIVILIANS WILL ACTUALLY GET TO SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY.

I THINK BOSTON IS AN OUTLIER IN MAJOR CITIES REQUIRING THAT SOMEBODY BE A FLAGGER ON A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT AND IS A SWORN OFFICER.

ADAM: IS THAT UNUSUAL?

LARRY: I THINK I LOST TRACK OF WHAT HE WAS SAYING.

ADAM: SPECIFICALLY ABOUT BOSTON BEING AN OUTLIER ON CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, THE FLAGGER OR DETAIL WORKER IS A POLICE OFFICER?

LARRY: IT IS HARD FOR ME TO SPEAK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN THE ENTIRE COMMONWEALTH, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS POLICE OFFICERS THROUGHOUT MASSACHUSETTS ARE REQUIRED BY ANY TOWN OR CITY OR MUNICIPAL ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES THEM TO BE THERE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

I CAN SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY ABOUT THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HOW THE CITY HERE WORKS.

IT IS REQUIRED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY ON THE ROADWAY FOR ANY CONSTRUCTION JOB, PERMIT, ORDINANCE, THROUGH THE CITY OF BOSTON.

YAWU: I THINK SOMETIMES THE MISCONCEPTION ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING ON THE STREET, A PICTURE SPEAKS A THOUSAND WORDS.

YOU SEE THAT POLICE OFFICER WHO MIGHT BE TALKING TO THE CREW ABOUT HOW THEY WILL MOVE A CONSTRUCTION VEHICLE.

IT COULD BE DEEMED THAT THE OFFICER IS NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE, WE ARE THEREFORE PUBLIC SAFETY, THAT IS THE MAIN REASON.

ADAM: WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH MAYOR WU IN THE NEXT ELECTION CYCLE.

I'’M CURIOUS WHAT YOU THINK THE POLITICS OF THIS CONTRACT SHE REACHED WITH THE BPA, WILL OPEN HER TO CRITICISM FROM PEOPLE ON THE LEFT WHO WILL SAY YOU DID NOT PUSH HARD ENOUGH AND GET REFORMS IN THIS NEW DETAIL -- IN THIS NEW DEAL THAT WE WANTED YOU TO GET?

YAWU: CERTAINLY SINCE THE GEORGE FLOYD INCIDENT IN 2020, THERE HAS BEEN A PUSH NATIONWIDE FOR POLICE REFORM.

IN BOSTON A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT GREATER INVESTMENT IN CRIME PREVENTION, AND PEOPLE BELIEVE THE WAY TO DO THAT IS SHRINK THE POLICE BUDGET, AND DEDICATE THOSE RESOURCES TO STRATEGIES LIKE THE STREET WORKERS PROGRAM, WHICH HAS PROVEN IN THE PAST TO REDUCE CRIME AND PREVENT CRIME.

WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE LAST 20 YEARS IS THE VIOLENT CRIME RATE IN BOSTON HAS GONE DOWN BY HALF, BUT THE NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS IS STILL STEADY AT ABOUT 2000.

WHY ARE WE SPENDING SO MUCH ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT?

OVER TIME, WHY IS IT GROWING WHEN VIOLENT CRIME IS DOWN, CRIME IN ALL CATEGORIES IS DOWN NOT JUST IN BOSTON BUT NATIONWIDE?

TO SEE CRIME SPENT IN HALF AND POLICE SPENDING GOING UP, THAT IS WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.

ADAM: YOU POSED A BIG QUESTION.

I WANT TO GIVE YOU 25 SECONDS TO ANSWER IT.

WHY IS THE STAFFING LEVEL THE SAME?

LARRY: FIRST OFF, THE CRIME LEVEL IS DEFINITELY DOWN IN THE LAST 20 YEARS.

I'’M GOING ON MY 30TH YEAR, BORN AND RAISED IN BOSTON.

HOWEVER, YOUR FACTS MAY BE SKEWED OR INCORRECT, I CAME ON IN 1994.

AT THAT POINT WE HAD 2000 UNIFORMED MEN AND WOMEN, AND WE ARE DOWN TO ABOUT 1550.

I HAVE BEEN ALL OVER THE MEDIA BEATING THAT DRUM.

THAT IS ONE OF THE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS AS TO WHY THE OVERTIME RATE CONTINUES TO SKYROCKET.

WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS.

ADAM: SNEAK ONE MORE THING AND REALLY FAST, THEN WE HAVE TO WRAP IT UP.

LARRY: THAT IS GREAT.

I TOUCHED ON IT.

ADAM: WE WILL LEAVE IT THERE.

LARRY CALDERONE, YAWU MILLER, THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE.

THAT IS IT FOR TONIGHT.

DO COME BACK NEXT WEEK.

THANKS FOR WATCHING.