>> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORT OF THE BETSY AND THOMAS PATTERSON FOUNDATION AND THE MEMBERS OF NINE PBS.

>> THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR THIS EDITION OF DONNYBROOK.

LOTS OF HOT TOPICS TO DISCUSS AND WE'RE GOING TO INVITE YOU TO DONNYBASH 2022 JUNE THE 9th.

DETAILS TO FOLLOW.

FIRST LET'S MEET OUR PANELISTS STARTING WITH THE COHOST OF THE JENNIFER AND WENDY SHOW ON KTRS, WENDY WIESE.

MR. BILL McCLELLAN FROM THE ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH.

HE'S RAY HARTMANN FROM THE RIVERFRONT TIMES, RAWSTORY.COM, AND THE BIG 550 KTRS.

AND FROM THE ST. LOUIS AMERICAN, MR. ALVIN REID, WHO SAT IN SO ABLY LAST WEEK.

AND THANK YOU STRETCH FOR DOING ANOTHER GREAT JOB.

>> ANYTIME.

>> BUT NOT TOO GREAT.

>> HEY, ANYTIME.

>> WENDY, IT'S TO ASK YOU ABOUT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN BECAUSE THIS WEEK, THE ST. LOUIS COUNTY ANNOUNCED THAT IT'S GOING TO REPEAL ITS MASK MANDATE IF THERE REALLY IS A MANDATE, BUT THIS IS IN REACTION TO A COURT RULING IN COLE COUNTY, JUDGE DAN GREEN SAID THAT LOCAL JURISDICTIONS, SCHOOL DISTRICTS, HEALTH DEPARTMENTS CAN'T HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO COVID-19 IN HIS WISDOM, AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC SCHMITT AGREES.

AMONG OTHER THINGS, HE SAID HE WOULD SUE ANY LOCAL GOVERNMENT BODY, A SCHOOL DISTRICT OR A HEALTH DEPARTMENT IF THEY HAVE A MASK MANDATE.

AND IN FACT, HE'S ASKED PARENTS AND STUDENTS OF SCHOOLS THAT HAVE MASK MANDATES TO SEND HIM PHOTOS AND EVIDENCE, SHOT HORIZONTALLY ON THEIR PHONE SO HE CAN THEN SUE.

MEANWHILE, HE GOT IN A TWITTER BATTLE WITH THE MAYOR OF ST. LOUIS.

HE SAID THAT SHE IS THE MAYOR OF THE CITY THAT HAS THE HIGHEST CRIME IN THE NATION AND SHE'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO DEFUND THE POLICE.

SHE SAID HE HAS LITERALLY KILLED PEOPLE BY OPPOSING THE MASK MAN DAYTON SHE'S ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO SEND SELFIE OF THEMSELVES WEARING MASKS AND FILL UP HIS INBOX.

ALL RIGHT, DO YOU AGREE WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ON THIS CASE?

>> FIRST OF ALL, IF THAT'S NOT ADULT LEADERSHIP, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS ENGAGING IN THAT KIND OF A FIGHT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.

AND I LOVE STARTING OFF THE SHOW BEING THE PINATA, BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I'M GOING TO DO BECAUSE I AGREE WITH -- I AGREE WITH ERIC SCHMITT.

JUST GIVE ME A MOMENT TO EXPLAIN MYSELF BEFORE YOU ALL PILE ON.

>> WHAT IS -- WE'RE ALL EARS.

>> I DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE DISCUSSING THE LEGALITY OR THE BYLAWS OR THE RULES OF EVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT ACROSS THE STATE OF MISSOURI.

I JUST DO NOT.

HE IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

THE COLE COUNTY CIRCUIT J AS YOU MENTIONED, DANIEL GREEN, HE HAS RULED AND NULLIFIED ALL OF THESE MASK MANDATES.

I WEAR A MASK.

UNLESS IT BECOMES ILLEGAL TO WEAR A MASK, I AM GOING TO ALWAYS WEAR MY MASK, BUT HE IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF CONFUSION AND I FEEL THAT HE IS DOING WHAT HE BELIEVES TO BE IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITIZENS AND THEIR CHILDREN IN THE STATE OF MISSOURI.

GO AHEAD.

>> OKAY, WENDY, LET ME SAY THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS A REPUBLICAN AND THEY USED TO BE ALL ABOUT LOCAL CONTROL, AND TO ME, IF A LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT DECIDES THAT THE SAFEST THING TO DO IS TO HAVE THE KIDS WEAR A MASK, I JUST DON'T SEE WHERE IT'S THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S BUSINESS TO COME IN AND SAY NOT ONLY AM I GOING TO SAY YOU CAN'T DO THAT, BUT NOW I WANT THE CHILDREN AND THE PARENTS TO BE TURNING TEACHERS AND PRINCIPALS IN.

THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.

>> I WOULD SAY THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ACTUALLY LOST THAT CASE TO JUDGE GREEN BECAUSE IT WAS ABOUT SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

THE JUDGE JUST WENT OFF ON SOME, YOU KNOW, OFF WAY ON THE HIGHWAY OR SOMETHING AND SAID, OH, BY THE WAY, ALL THAT OTHER STUFF IS -- AND IT'S GOING TO GET TOSSED OUT.

IT'S RIDICULOUS AND FIFRS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, I WILL TELL THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, SUE US.

SUE US.

JUST LIKE CHINA AND JUST LIKE THE BORDER.

>> I REALIZE HE HAS POLITICAL ASPIRATIONS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED AD NAUSEAM AROUND THIS TABLE, BUT I THINK THAT IT IS VERY CONFUSING FOR PEOPLE.

I WOULD RATHER HAVE PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENTS RATHER THAN WILLY-NILLY SCHOOL DISTRICTS -- >> HE DOESN'T WANT PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENTS EITHER.

IMD AMEND WHAT YOU SAID, THERE ARE DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW, BUT -- REALLY, BUT IN HIS CASE, THE ONLY PEOPLE HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT, THE ONLY CONCERN HE HAS IS HIS RACE FOR SENATE.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO -- IF HE'S ON TWITTER ALL DAY LONG, I'D LIKE TO HAVE HIM TWEET WHAT HE WOULD DO -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT NOBODY ASKS, WHAT WOULD YOU DO -- WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE AGAINST, OKAY?

YOU'RE AGAINST MASKS, YOU'RE AGAINST THIS.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU WERE THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE, YOU WERE THE HEAD OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT COVID?

IN OTHER WORDS, JUST TELL US, BECAUSE I CAN'T -- I'VE ASKED A COUPLE OF PEOPLE AND THEY DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT IT?

WE CAN GO ON, WE'VE COVERED THIS GROUND SO MUCH.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

AND THEY ARE NEVER EVEN ASKED THAT.

>> I DON'T THINK HE WANTS TO DO ANYTHING.

HE WOULD PROBABLY FOR MANY THE RON DeSANTIS MODEL IN FLORIDA -- >> AND LET EVERYBODY -- >> HERD IMMUNITY -- >> IF YOU'RE AUTOIMMUNE COMPROMISED AND YOU HAVE TO SHELTER IN PLACE AND STAY AWAY FROM THE -- >> NO, THAT'S A MANDATE.

>> NOT MANDATED, BUT RECOMMENDED.

>> NO, NO.

>> I'M NOT DEFENDING IT, BY THE WAY.

I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT, THIS IS ALL ABOUT HE IS RUNNING AS A CANDIDATE IN A VERY CROWDED U.S. SENATE PRIMARY.

>> PLUS, I THINK HE'S DOING THIS TO JUST GET HIS NAME OUT THERE AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, BUT -- >> I JUST WANT TO HEAR ONE OF THEM SAY WHAT HE WOULD DO TO STOP THE PANDEMIC.

>> HE WOULD SAY LEAVE IT TO THE PEOPLE.

>> I DISAGREE WITH IT, RAY, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO TELL THE PEOPLE -- THAT'S ALL THEY'D SAY, LEAVE IT TO THE PEOPLE.

[ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] >> HE DIDN'T SAY, LIKE, LET'S JUST LET EVERYTHING GO.

MY POINT IS HE WAS MORE CENTRIST THAN THAT, I MEAN TO THE RIGHT, BUT HE WAS NOT JUST -- >> HE SAID I'M NOT GOING TO DECLARE WHAT'S A NECESSARY BUSINESS, I'LL LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE THAT.

>> BUT HE ALSO TOOK A LOT OF STEPS THAT WERE -- >> BUT LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

DON'T YOU THINK THE WHOLE CONVERSATION IS A LITTLE SILLY AND WE SHOULD BE CONCENTRATING ON GETTING MORE PEOPLE VACCINATED.

>> VACCINATED.

>> YEAH, BUT THAT'S A MANDATE.

>> NO, NO, I MEAN -- >> THAT IS GOING ON.

I'M JUST SAYING, THIS IS JUST MORE SILLY STUFF.

>> I AGREE.

>> ALL RIGHT.

BILL, YOU'RE MENTIONING SCHOOLS AND TEST SCORES CAME OUT THIS WEEK FOR AREA SCHOOLS.

LAST WEEK, THEY CAME OUT FOR ILLINOIS AND THE ILLINOIS TEST SCORES ARE WAY DOWN.

THEN WHEN WE TOOK A LOOK AT SOME OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE ST. LOUIS AREA, WOW, RIVERVIEW GARDENS, LESS THAN ONE PERCENT OF THE BOYS AND GIRLS THERE ARE TESTING PROFICIENT IN MATH.

ST. LOUIS PUBLIC SCHOOLS, NORMANDY SCHOOLS, NONE OF THEM HAVE PROFICIENCY EXCEEDING 20% IN MATH OR ENGLISH.

AND SO A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE.

NUMBER ONE, YOU THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE TESTED DURING A PANDEMIC?

IT WAS A VERY UNUSUAL YEAR LAST YEAR.

AND ONCE WE DID TEST, SHOULD WE HAVE RELEASED THE SCORES?

>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT THE DRAMATIC DROP HAS BEEN VERY PREDICTABLE.

WE'VE HAD PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THIS FOREVER, ESPECIALLY THE CHILDREN WHO DON'T HAVE COMPUTER DEVICES, DON'T HAVE A QUIET PLACE TO STUDY AT HOME.

>> OR INTERNET.

>> YEAH, WI-FI.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE HURT.

AS FAR AS WHETHER WE SHOULD TESS, I DON'T KNOW.

AS FAR AS WHETHER IT SHOULD HAVE RELEASED, NORMALLY I'D SAY OF COURSE I'M IN FAVOR OF RELEASING INFORMATION, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, I'LL TAKE A MORAL POSITION.

THE PERSON WHO WANTED TO RELEASE IT WAS COMMISSIONER MARGIE VAN EVAN, AND I'M COMPLETELY AGAINST ANYTHING SHE'S FOR.

SHE'S THE SAME PERSON WHO KNOWINGLY -- NOK IT WAS FALSE, ACCUSED MY COLLEAGUE OF CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR ON -- YOU KNOW, WHEN JOSH CALLED OVER AND SAID THAT LOOKING AT THE WEB PAGE, YOU COULD -- >> RELEASES INFORMATION.

>> AND I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY THEY WERE PLANNING ON WRITING HIM A THANK YOU NOTE, HOLDING THE STORY LIKE HE DID, AND THEN I THINK TO PLEASE THE GOVERNOR, COMMISSIONER VAN EVAN CAME UP WITH THIS LID DICK CREWS STORY THAT THE -- LUDICROUS STORY THAT THE HACKER GOT INFORMATION OF THREE OF OUR INDIVIDUALS AND SHE KNEW BETTER.

TO ME, THAT GOES TO CHARACTER, SO ANYTHING THAT COMMISSIONER MARGIE VAN EVAN IS FOR, I'M GOING TO BE AGAINST.

NO, IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN RELEASED.

>> THERE'S ONE THING SUCH AS SCIENCE AND ANOTHER FACTS.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR STATE TO SEE THAT THIS HAD AN IMPACT ALL OVER.

A REALLY LARGE IMPACT ON CITY KIDS AND KIDS IN LOWER ECONOMIC AREAS, BUT IT HAPPENED ALL OVER THE STATE AND I THINK YOU REALLY DO HAVE TO LITERALLY SMACK SOME PEOPLE IN THE FACE AND SAY THIS IS A REAL THING.

WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR THE NEXT REAL THING, AND SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH RELEASING THE SCORES.

AND IT'S VERY SERIOUS AND IT'S NOT FUNNY, OKAY?

WHICH IS WHY I HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING HUMOROUS NOW.

IT IS LIKE THESE STUDENT TOP LITERALLY, YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE, LIKE SHOWING UP AT CLASS AND THERE WAS A FINAL THAT DAY.

I REALLY COULD SEE WHERE THEY WERE IN A SITUATION WHERE, LIKE, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THIS?

>> RIGHT, AND THERE IS -- I MEAN, SOMETIMES IN LIFE, ESPECIALLY WITH AN ENTIRE -- THIS ENTIRE LITTLE GENERATION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, SOMETIMES THERE ARE ASTERISKS AND THIS IS AN ASTERISK.

AND IF I AM EITHER A CHILD OR THE PARENT, I WANT THOSE -- I WANT THAT INFORMATION TO BE RELEASED.

>> GOOD POINT, GOOD POINT.

>> WITHOUT GETTING ANY MORE SPECIFIC THAN THAT, I HAVE TWO HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS IN MY HOUSEHOLD AND IT AFFECTED ONE DIFFERENTLY THAN THE OTHER.

THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY.

IT'S NOT EVEN A MATTER OF DIFFERENT ECONOMIC -- >> SURE -- >> WHATEVER -- >> UNDER THE SAME ROOF AND DIFFERENT OUTCOMES.

>> I WOULD SAY THIS.

I LIKE YOUR ANALYSIS.

I MEAN, CERTAINLY IF I BLAMED HER, I REALLY BLAME PARSONS, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT.

BUT I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO TEST.

YOU HAD TO TEST TO SEE, IF NOTHING ELSE, THE IMPACT OF THE PANDEMIC, BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE -- I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU USE A SPORTS ANALOGY, IT'S LIKE EXHIBITION STATISTICS.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY, ANY SCHOOL DISTRICT WHETHER THEY DID WELL, POORLY OR IN BETWEEN, SHOULD BE EVEN BE EVALUATED THIS -- >> THAT'S INTERESTING.

HOLD THAT THOUGHT BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING THE SIGNAL THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK AND FIND OUT HOW PEOPLE CAN JOIN US IN JUNE FOR DONNYBASH.

WE'LL PICK UP FROM THERE WHEN WE COME BACK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THESE IMPORTANT MESSAGES ABOUT DONNYBASH, 2022.

>> WELL, HERE WE ARE IN THE STUDIOS OF NINE PBS ON THE SET OF DONNYBROOK AND WE'RE GEL BACK TO THE SNOW IN JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES.

RIGHT NOW WE WANT TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

IT IS THE SEASON OF GIVING AND WE WANT TO ASK YOU TO GIVE YOUR SUPPORT TO NINE PBS.

WHEN YOU DO, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THE GIFT OF DONNYBASH.

DONNYBASH IS GOING TO HAPPEN JUNE 9th, 2022, AT 6:00 RIGHT HERE IN OUR BACKYARD AT THE SHELDON CONCERT HALL OR IN YOU PREFER AND WE CERTAINLY INVITE YOU TO, BECOME A SUSTAINER.

THAT'S JUST $12 A MONTH AND YOU'LL RECEIVE NOT ONE, BUT TWO TICKETS TO DONNYBASH AND THE MUG.

SO YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THIS AS A GIFT.

AS I SAID, IT'S THE SEASON OF GIVING.

YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SHARE THIS EXPERIENCE GOING TO DONNYBASH WITH SOMEONE TO ALSO HAVE THE MUG.

THINK ABOUT THAT, YOU'RE GIVING A GIFT FOR SOMEONE ELSE.

YOU'RE GIVING A GIFT TO YOURSELF AND A GIFT TO THE COMMUNITY.

WON'T YOU PLEASE CALL US NOW AND JOIN AND WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER NOW TO THE DONNYBROOKERS.

>> THANK YOU, KATE.

WELCOME TO THE SET OF DONNYBROOK.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT JUNE 9th AND TALK ABOUT THE DONNYBASH, WALK US THROUGH IT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN TO DONNYBASH.

THE DOORS OPEN AT LIKE, WHAT TIME?

5:30?

>> I THINK SO, YEAH, ABOUT 5:30.

>> EVEN 5:00.

>> WE ALL MINGLE AND WE'VE NEVER DONE THIS IN THE SUMMERTIME BEFORE.

IT'S BEEN WAY TOO LONG AND WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE AND HAVE DRIRNTION MAYBE JUST A FEW.

>> YOU HAVE DRINKS BEFORE THE SHOW.

>> RIGHT.

>> AND AFTER.

>> OH, AND AFTER, ALL RIGHT.

>> AND SOME OF THESE GUYS DURING.

[ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] >> BUT CERTAINLY BEFORE AND WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DRINKS AND TALK TO PEOPLE AND GET A SENSE WHATEVER WE SHOULD SAY.

>> WHAT'S GOING TO GIVE A SENSE OF -- >> PROBABLY THE PIT BULLS.

>> IT'S ALWAYS SUCH A FUN CROWD AND THEY'RE THERE TO HAVE FUN.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THERE FOR AN EXPERIENCE AND THAT'S WHAT WE ALWAYS STRESS, ESPECIALLY FOR THE HOLIDAYS.

PEOPLE OUR AGE, AND I THINK EVEN YOUNGER, ARE INTERESTED IN THOSE EXPERIENCES NOW.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T NEED ANOTHER PAIR OF EARRINGS.

YOU DON'T NEED ANOTHER NECK TIE OR MAYBE EARRINGS, WHATEVER YOU DO ON THE WEEKEND, THAT'S YOUR BUSINESS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED THINGS ANYMORE.

WE ENJOY HAVING EXPERIENCES WITH THE PEOPLE WE LOVE.

>> I THINK THAT'S TRUE AND THAT'S A GREAT HOLIDAY GIFT.

HOWEVER YOU CELEBRATE THE HOLIDAYS AND ESPECIALLY FOR THE PERSON IN YOUR LIFE WHO HAS EVERYTHING AS YOU POINTED OUT.

SOMEONE DIFFICULT TO SHOP FOR AND -- >> LIKE MY WIFE, YOU KNOW.

>> RIGHT.

>> I NEVER KNOW WHAT TO GET MARY AND LAST WEEK, ANN MARIE BERGER, OUR PRODUCER, GAVE EACH OF US ONE OF THESE NINE PBS MUGS.

>> OH, YEAH!

>> I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, IT'S SOMETHING SHE WON'T RETURN.

>> MARY AND CARMEN SHOULD KNOW -- >> I WOULD SAY THIS ON THE AIR -- WOULDN'T SAY THIS ON THE AIR EXCEPT THAT TONIGHT IS BOOK CLUB NIGHT FOR HER.

>> THAT'S GREAT.

NO, IT WILL BE FUN.

>> AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT IT'S A GOOD TIME TO MENTION AS WELL, YOU SEE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN TO DONNYBASHES BEFORE AND YOU LOOK FORWARD TO THAT, DON'T YOU, SEEING SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE?

>> ESPECIALLY NOT SEEING THEM FOR SO LONG AND IT REALLY WILL BE LIKE -- WE SEE THEM ONCE A YEAR, AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT'S LIKE A YEAR AND A HALF, ALMOST TWO YEARS LATER, AND IT WILL REALLY BE SOMETHING.

THAT WILL MAKE IT SPECIAL, BUT THE WHOLE EVENING IS VERY SPECIAL TO US AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

AS I SAID LAST WEEK, WHEN WE DO PLEDGE AND WE LIKE DOING IT, BUT IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, OH, WE GOT TO DO PLEDGE, AND NOW IT'S LIKE, MAN, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT DOING PLEDGE BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET TO SEE PEOPLE WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN A LONG TIME.

>> ARE PEOPLE REALLY SURPRISED WHEN THEY TRANSFORM THE SET OF DONNYBROOK RIGHT THERE TO THE SHELDON?

>> I'LL BE SURPRISED IF THEY GET THIS ONE OVER THERE.

>> REALLY?

>> IT'S MORE SUBSTANTIAL THAN THE ONE WE HAD.

>> YES, IT IS.

>> IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND WE'VE HAD SUCH A GREAT RESPONSE.

>> SO FAR, ABSOLUTELY.

>> ANN MARIE BERGER, A BIG SHOUTOUT.

I GET MORE CAMERA TIME HERE.

NO, I DON'T ACTUALLY.

IT'S AS MUCH FUN FOR US AS THE AUDIENCE.

WE REALLY DO LIKE THE INTERACTION.

>> WE ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU CARROLL BECAUSE WE LIKE EVERYTHING THEY DO AND WE LIKE THE NEW FURNITURE.

>> YES, SHOUTOUT TO THEM.

LET'S GO BACK TO KATE.

>> IF YOU'D LIKE TO ENJOY THE EVENING THEY JUST TALKED ABOUT, JOIN US ON THE 9th OF JUNE AND IT WILL BE AT 6:00 THAT THE DOORS OPEN.

THERE ARE COCKTAILS AVAILABLE OR WHATEVER KIND OF BEVERAGE THAT YOU'D LIKE BEFOREHAND.

WE HAVE THE PRE-RECEPTION.

THEN YOU'LL BE MOVING INTO THE SHELDON THEATER ITSELF, WATCHING A LIVE BROADCAST OF DONNYBROOK, AND THEN AFTERWARDS, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COME BACK OUT AND MEET THE DONNYBROOKERS AGAIN AND THEIR FAMILIES AND PEOPLE WHO YOU'VE MAYBE SEEN THERE BEFORE,S AS WE'VE SAID, WE THINK IT'S A GREAT HOLIDAY GIFT.

SO IT'S $75.

YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GET ONE TICKET OR YOU CAN CHOOSE THAT MUG THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT GIVING THEIR WIFE FOR CHRISTMAS.

I'LL TELL YOU, IT'S A VERY SUBSTANTIAL MUG.

I HAVE HEARD SOME OF THEM TALK ABOUT NOT PUTTING COFFEE IN THERE, BUT MAYBE PUTTING AN ADULT BEVERAGE IN THERE.

JUST A THOUGHT.

OR IF YOU DECIDE TO JOIN US AS A SUSTAINING MEMBER AT $12 A MONTH, YOU WILL GET TWO TICKETS AND THE MUG.

SO THINK ABOUT THAT.

WHATEVER MEMBERSHIP LEVEL IS COMFORTABLE FOR YOU, THAT'S JUST FINE WITH US.

BUT PLEASE DO MAKE THE DECISION.

MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION, AND THAT IS TO PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MIND IS.

YOU WATCH DONNYBROOK ALL THE TIME.

YOU EXPECT TO BE HERE EVERY THURSDAY NIGHT.

YOU EXPECT US -- WELL, NOT ME.

YOU EXPECT THE CAST TO BE HERE EVERY THURSDAY NIGHT, AND THEY ARE BECAUSE SOMEONE LIKE YOU WATCHING A PROGRAM LIKE THIS DECIDED TO BECOME A MEMBER.

SO PLEASE, GO ONLINE TO NINEPBS.ORG OR GIVE US A CALL AT 800-568-9099.

>> ABSOLUTELY, WE'LL SEE YOU JUNE THE 9th.

WENDY, I WANT TO FOLLOW UP JUST REAL BRIEFLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE EDUCATION ISSUE, THE TEST SCORES ARE VERY BAD AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR KIDS TO CATCH UP.

WE KNOW THAT TO BE TRUE.

SO DO YOU THINK THAT THE $500 MILLION THAT THE AREA IS GOING TO GET FROM THE RAMS SHOULD BE SPENT ON EDUCATION SO THOSE KID CATCH UP AND HAVE A FUTURE?

>> I DO THINK A PORTION OF IT, BECAUSE THIS IS -- YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL SORTS OF NEEDS, BUT THEY ARE THE LIVING, WALKING, BREATHING FUTURE OF THIS REGION.

>> RIGHT.

>> AND THEY ARE AS MUCH A PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS ANY ROAD OR BRIDGE IN MY OPINION.

>> I THINK THAT'S A VERY WHOLESOME THOUGHT A GOOD THOUGHT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S REALISTICALLY LIKELY TO HAPPEN.

I COULD BE WRONG, BUT THE THREE PARTIES WHO ARE THE LITIGANTS, THE PLAINTIFFS IN THIS SUIT, ARE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES THAT ARE KIND OF STATUTORILY REMOVED FROM EDUCATION, AND SO I DON'T -- >> THAT'S UNFORTUNATE.

>> AGAIN, IT'S A NOBLE THOUGHT, ACTUALLY, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> ALL RIGHT.

ALVIN REID, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT SOMETHING VERY STRANGE THAT HAPPENED IN WEBSTER GROVES, WHICH IS LOWER KIRKWOOD AS FAR AS YOU'RE CONCERNED.

>> LOWER KIRKWOOD!

>> I DIDN'T SAY THAT.

[ LAUGHTER ] >> REALLY, AFTER SEEING THE PEOPLE IN THE STREETS IN WEBSTER THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, YOU RESPECT WHAT THEY CAN DO.

IT TURNS OUT THAT THIS $320 MILLION DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL THAT INCLUDED CONDOS AND APARTMENTS AND RETAIL AND OFFICE AND EMINENT DOMAIN AND $35 MILLION IN TAX INCREMENT FINANCING WENT DOWN IN FLAMES.

IT WAS SHOT DOWN UNANIMOUSLY BY CITY OFFICIALS.

THE DEVELOPER HAS SPENT A MILLION DOLLARS, HE SAYS O THE PROPOSAL.

NOW IT'S GONE.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

IS THIS A SIGN OF THINGS TO COME?

>> WELL, MAYBE THE DEVELOPERS CAN SUE THE RAMS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT 17 MILLION -- WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT BACK.

>> REALLY.

>> I KIND OF HOPE IT IS.

WHEN THIS ALL FIRST BEGAN, MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS I WONDER HOW MANY PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS WOULD BE NAMED FOR FREDERICK DOUGLASS BECAUSE THERE'S A DOUGLASS AVENUE A ROAD RIGHT DOWN THERE AND THAT'S WHAT TECHNICALLY THE NAME WAS.

THEN AS THESE YARD SIGNS WERE JUST EVERYWHERE IN WEBSTER AND YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS AN ELECTION, THAT THE PEOPLE WERE GOING TO VOTE YES OR NO.

THIS WAS TELLING COUNCIL PEOPLE NO AND IT WAS EVERY PART OF WEBSTER.

IT WAS -- LIKE I SAID, DOWN IN THAT PART WHERE THE FACILITY WAS GOING TO BE, THE DEVELOPMENT WAS GOING TO BE TRK IT WAS ALL THE WAY UP TO WATSON ROAD, LIKE THE TOWN TOLD EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL DON'T DO THIS.

>> DON'T GO THERE.

>> AND THEY LISTENED.

6-0.

NOBODY SAID, LIKE, HEY, I STILL THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, IT WILL HELP US, MAYBE WE CAN SCALE IT DOWN.

THEY SAID, NO, TAKE IT SOMEPLACE ELSE.

SO I THINK IT DOES BODE WELL THAT A COMMUNITY CAN JUST SAY NO.

>> I DISAGREE.

>> THEY DON'T APPRECIATE -- >> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WISHING IT WERE SO.

I DO NOT THINK IT'S A TREND.

I DON'T THINK IT'S -- THIS TOWN, THIS COMMUNITY, THIS METROPOLITAN AREA IS SO COMMITTED TO SPRAWL, SO COMMITTED TO THE AUTOMOBILE, AND SO COMMITTED TO ACCOMMODATING SPRAWL THAT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY -- I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL STATEMENT BY WEBSTER AND WEBSTER, I DON'T WANT TO -- WEBSTER GROVES IS A UNIQUE COMMUNITY.

>> YUP, YOU'RE RIGHT.

>> AND IT'S REALLY -- TO ME, IT'S A MODEL.

I DON'T WANT TO DISPARAGE ANYBODY ELSE, BUT IT IS A MODEL KIND OF AMERICANA COMMUNITY AND I SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE, JUST LOVE IT.

I DON'T LIVE THERE, BUT I MEAN -- AND I THINK IT IS UNIQUELY -- I THINK IT SENDS A MESSAGE ABOUT DEVELOPMENT IN WEBSTER, BUT I DON'T THINK IT HAS ANY IMPACT ON -- >> I THOUGHT IT FELT LIKE A JIMMY STEWART MOVIE.

IT REALLY DID FEEL LIKE A JIMMY STEWART MOVIE AND WE'VE ALL HAD THAT EXPERIENCE GOING THROUGH WEBSTER.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO THE HARDWARE STORE OR WHEREVER YOU'RE GOING, YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE TURNING BACK THE CLOCK.

AND NEIGHBORS LOOKING AFTER NEIGHBORS AND -- SO SADLY, I AGREE WITH RAY, THOUGH.

I MEAN, WHAT MAKES WEBSTER SO UNIQUE IS WHAT MAKES IT SUCH AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK TO RECREATE ELSEWHERE.

>> YOU KNOW, I'M IN WEBSTER A LOT BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER AND TWO OF MY GRANDKIDS LIVE THERE, AND THIS WAS KIND OF A COOL ISSUE IN THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF "NO" SIGNS.

THERE WERE NO "YES" SIGNS.

THE DEVELOPER AND THE WHOLE IDEA THAT MONEY TALKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE WALKS, THAT WASN'T HERE.

I MEAN, IT WAS A GRASSROOTS THING AND ALSO, I THINK IT SHOWS THE IMPORTANCE OF LOCAL NEWSPAPERS.

I MEAN, THE POST-DISPATCH AND THE WEBSTER KIRKWOOD TIMES, WHICH COVERED THIS SO WELL, AND PEOPLE LOOKED AT IT AND JUST DECIDED FOR A MYRIAD OF REASONS -- I MEAN, ENVIRONMENTAL -- >> TRAFFIC.

>> -- AND TRAFFIC AND THE TONE OF WEBSTER, THE PEOPLE JUST REALLY ROSE UP AND SAID WE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS.

>> WELL, ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE -- >> THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO MOVE IT TO CHESTERFIELD.

>> AND IT WON'T GET THAT -- >> IT WON'T HAPPEN IN KIRKWOOD EITHER.

THE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT THINK IT'S A JIMMY STEWART WERE THE ONES ON THE ZONING COMMISSION WHO APPROVED IT.

>> WHO WERE OKAY WITH IT.

>> YEAH, YEAH.

>> THEY'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT CITY COUNCIL LIKE, OH REALLY?

>> IT WILL BE AWKWARD NOW.

>> THEY FEEL LIKE MR. POTTER.

>> WENDY, HOW ABOUT -- A TERRIBLE SITUATION THIS LAST WEEK, WE HAD A KINDERGARTNER INTO TO SCHOOL WITH A FIREARM AND A SECOND GRADER WENT TO SCHOOL WITH A LOADED FIREARM, BOTH IN THE GREATER ST. LOUIS AREA.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

LAST WEEK IN MICHIGAN, THE PARENTS OF THE ASSAILANT AT OXFORD HIGH WERE CHARGED WITH MANSLAUGHTER.

DO YOU THINK THE PARENTS OF A SECOND GRADER, FOR EXAMPLE, WHO TAKES A LOADED FIREARM INTO A SCHOOL SHOULD FACE SOME SORT OF LEGAL PROSECUTION?

>> I THINK THEY SHOULD FACE SOME SORT OF LEGAL CONSEQUENCES.

WHETHER THAT'S A FINE THAT IS ISSUED.

WE'VE HAD TOO MANY OF THESE INSTANCES.

THE ONE CASE WHERE THE CHILD FOUND IT IN A SECURE LOCKBOX AND WAS STILL ABLE TO TAKE IT TO SCHOOL, BUT ACCORDING TO THE STORY, YOU KNOW, THE AUTHORITIES SAID, WELL, IT WAS A SECURE LOCKBOX, SO THE PARENTS WERE DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.

IF IT WAS A SECURE LOCKBOX, HOW DID THE CHILD GET IT OUT OF THE LOCKBOX AND TAKE IT TO SCHOOL?

SO I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THAT.

BUT THE MISTAKEN IDENTITY BACKPACK, WE -- I JUST -- AND BEING A PARENT, TRUST ME, I'M THE FARTHEST THING FROM THE PERFECT PARENT, BUT WE'VE GOT TO DO BETTER, WHETHER THE GRANDPARENTS OR THE PARENTS OR THE AUNTS OR UNCLES OR WHOEVER IS WATCHING THE CHILDREN, YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON IN YOUR CHILD'S BACKPACK AND BE AWARE.

>> AND THE THING THAT STRUCK ME IS, YOU KNOW, MY 6-YEAR-OLD GRAND SON, HE WAS WITH US LAST NIGHT AND HIS BACKPACK DOES NOT LOOK AT ALL LIKE MY BACKPACK, SO I WONDER WHAT KIND OF DAD HAS A BACKPACK SIMILAR, ALMOST IDENTICAL TO A 6-YEAR-OLD?

I MEAN, WHAT'SING ON GOING ON?

>> THAT'S A VALID QUESTION.

>> KIND OF STRANGE CREDIBILITY.

>> ARE YOU SAYING MY DONALD DUCK -- >> YOU'RE -- >> I'M -- I SHOULD GROW OUT OF IT?

[ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] >> NO, I HAVE TO SAY, I THINK YOU ARE -- AS A GUN OWNER AND SOMEBODY WHO BELIEVES IN PRIVATE GUN OWNERSHIP, I THINK YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR FIREARM, FULL STOP.

>> YUP.

>> IT'S A LITTLE UNFAIR TO COMPARE IT TO MICHIGAN, BUT I MEAN, WHERE YOU HAVE -- >> BUT IT'S NOT.

THIS IS AN ACCIDENT.

>> BUT THERE'S A LOT OF FACTS IN THAT CASE THAT GO BEYOND SOME OF THE TEXTS AND STUFF.

A LITTLE BIT BEYOND JUST -- THAT'S ALL I MEANT.

I DIDN'T MEAN -- IT'S A FAIR COMPARISON, BUT THE POINT IS, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE, FULL STOP, FOR THE GUN GHIE AGREE.

>> AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT -- >> MAYBE THAT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

>> THANK GOD NOBODY GOT HURT.

>> IF WE CAN PIVOT, ALVIN, WHAT ABOUT A 61-YEAR-OLD WOMAN WHO IS KILLED BY TWO PIT BULLS AND A MIXED BREED DOG OUTSIDE HER DAUGHTER'S HOME IN FRANKLIN COUNTY?

AND DO YOU THINK THAT THE OWNER OF THE DOGS SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE OR PROSECUTED?

>> I ABSOLUTELY DO.

AND I'M GOING TO PREFACE THIS BY SAYING, I REALLY DO LOVE ANIMALS.

THE CATS I'VE HAD HAVE COME FROM SHELTER.

I UNDERSTAND LOVE OF PET.

PIT BULLS TO ME ARE LIKE A LOADED GUN THAT CAN JUST FIRE ITSELF FOR NO REASON.

AND I THINK IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THERE SHOULD BE SOME LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE THIS WAS A -- LIKE A FAMILY TRAGEDY.

BUT WHAT IF IT WAS JUST SOME LITTLE KID WALKING DOWN THE STREET?

>> RIGHT.

>> AND I THINK WE WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT REACTION.

I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF LEGAL RAMIFICATION TO THIS.

NOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT, GERMAN SHEPHERDS BITE MORE PEOPLE THAN ANY OTHER KIND OF DOG AND I GUESS ANY KIND OF DOG COULD ATTACK SOMEBODY AND HURT THEM AND POSSIBLY KILL THEM, BUT PIT BULLS FALL INTO A RANGE, THIS IS WHY YOU CAN'T HAVE A MOUNTAIN LION ON A LEASH WALKING UP AND DOWN THE STREET.

I JUST THINK THEY'RE DANGEROUS AND IF YOU OWN SOMETHING DANGEROUS AND IT HURTS SOMEBODY, I THINK YOU SHOULD HELD RESPONSIBLE.

>> CONVERSELY, THOUGH, ALVIN, WE HAD A MINI DACHSHUND BEFORE SHE CROSSED A RAINBOW BRIDGE.

IF SHE HAD TAKEN A CHUNK OUT OF A NEIGHBOR, THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY.

OCCASIONALLY SHE WAS PRETTY TEMPER RA MENTAL, LIKE HER OWNER OCCASIONALLY.

IT DOESN'T PART IF IT A PIT BULL OR A CHIHUAHUA, THE OWNER BEARS RESPONSIBILITY.

>> BUT WHEN YOUR DACHSHUND BITES SOMEBODY, IT CAN HURT THE ANKLE.

>> GOOD POINT.

>> A PIT BULL CAN KILL SOMEBODY.

>> GOOD POINT.

>> FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T WANT TO GET DOWN ON THE WHOLE PIT BULL -- THEY'RE STEREOTYPED, BUT SETTING THAT ASIDE, I'M ALSO THE OWNER OF A LARGE DOG.

WE LOOKED HIM UP ON ANCESTRY AND HE'S GOT SOME WOLF IN HIM.

THE FACT IS, I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE -- HOW TRAGIC IS THIS?

A DAUGHTER AND HER MOM.

APPARENTLY ACCORDING TO THE SHERIFF, THE MOM HAD INTERACTED BEFORE WITH THE DOG.

THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE SOMEHOW RESPONSIBLE, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S -- AND I'M NOT -- GOD KNOWS I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO SPECIFICS, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW ANY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND YOU CAN'T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY ACTION OF YOUR DOG.

NOW, IF YOU'RE MESSAGE -- >> YOU CAN'T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR DOG?

>> WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, I MEAN -- YES, YOU ARE LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE, BUT I MEAN IN TERMS OF IF THERE'S MESSAGE INVOLVED, SO IF IT TURNS OUT THE FACTS SAID THAT YOU WERE MESSAGE ABOUT IT, BUT JUST BECAUSE -- YOU WERE NEGATIVE GLENT ABOUT IT, BUT JUST BECAUSE YOUR DOG BITES SOMEBODY, THEY DO HAVE A SYSTEM AFTER ONE BITE OR THE SECOND BITE, GET THAT, BUT YOU'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY ACTION -- >> HOLD YOUR THOUGHTS, GENTLEMAN, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO ASK EVERYBODY TO JOIN US IN JUNE FOR DONNYBASH AND HERE ARE THE DETAILS.

>> AND ISN'T IT FUN TO SEE DONNYBROOK ONCE AGAIN AND HOW GREAT FUN FOR US AS IT IS THAT WE CAN ANNOUNCE THAT DONNYBASH IS COMING BACK THIS YEAR.

IT SEEMS LIKE FOREVER, BUT WE WANT YOU TO BE THERE FOR DONNYBASH AT THE SHELDON CONCERT HALL.

THE DATE IS THURSDAY, JUNE 9th OF 2022.

DOORS OPEN AT 5:30 AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU CAN BE IN THE AUDIENCE.

NUMBER ONE, THE TICKETS TO DONNYBASH ARE $75 APIECE, AND SO FOR $75 MEMBERSHIP TO NINE PBS, YOU HAVE YOUR CHOICE.

EITHER A TICKET TO DONNYBASH OR THE DONNYBASH -- THE NOW MUG FOR NINE PBS THAT'S REALLY -- IT'S A HANDSOME MUG AND YOU WILL ENJOY THAT.

BUT I'VE GOT THE BEST DEAL OF ALL FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.

IT'S A GREAT COMBO AND AT $12 A MONTH AS A SUSTAINING MEMBER OF NINE PBS, YOU WILL NOT ONLY GET TWO TICKETS TO DONNYBASH, YOU WILL RECEIVE THE NINE PBS, THE BRAND NEW CERAMIC MUG THAT WE'VE BEEN SHOWING OFF HERE AT NINE PBS.

THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO NOT ONLY BE A MEMBER OF NINE PBS, BUT ALSO YOU AND A GUEST WILL BE IN THE AUDIENCE FOR DONNYBASH ON THAT THURSDAY.

WE KNOW THE SHELDON CONCERT HALL IS A FAVORITE.

YOU WILL SEE THE DONNYBROOK SET TRANSFORMED AND RIGHT THERE ON THE STAGE AT THE SHELDON CONCERT HALL.

OUR FRIENDS FROM DONNYBROOK ARE RIGHT NEXT DOOR ON THEIR STUDIO SET.

LET'S GO AND JOIN THEM AND MY GOOD FRIEND KATE DURBIN RIGHT NOW.

>> AND WE WANT TO THANK ALL OF OUR FRIENDS WHO ARE WATCHING RIGHT NOW AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SHOWN UP AT DONNYBASH IN THE PAST.

WE WANT TO INVITE YOU TO COME AND SEE HOW THIS IS ALL DONE.

AND YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME.

I WAS THINKING EARLIER TODAY THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE WINDING UP THE 35th SEASON.

HOW MANY SHOWS IS THAT?

THE 35th SEASON.

>> AT LEAST 60.

[ LAUGHTER ] I'M NOT GOOD AT MATH.

>> YEAH, WE WERE TALKING BEFORE WE CAME OUT, PROBABLY IN THE BALLPARK OF 1700.

WE'LL GET ONE RIGHT SOMETIME.

WE'RE WORKING ON IT.

IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS.

>> ONE OF THESE DAYS.

>> WELL, IT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE IT STAYS CURRENT, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN GOING ON A LONG TIME, YOU'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S NEW, WHAT'S TOPICAL, WHAT'S MAKING A DIFFERENCE TO PEOPLE IN OUR AREA.

>> THAT'S RIGHT AND THE NEWS IS DIFFERENT EVERY WEEK.

SOMETIMES WE REPEAT A FEW STORIES.

THIS IS ST. LOUIS, AFTER ALL.

WE LOSE NFL TEEMEAMS -- >> THE FIRST SHOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FOOTBALL.

>> IT'S BEEN A CONSTANT.

>> I THINK IT WAS THE FIRST SUBJECT, THE FIRST SHOW, MARTIN DUGGAN SAID HE'D RATHER -- GET OUT OF HERE.

>> AND THE BIG RED ARE LEADING THE NFL RIGHT NOW.

UNBELIEVABLE.

SO DONNYBASH.

DONNYBASH IS GOING TO HAPPEN ON JUNE 9th.

YOU MENTIONED DURING THE LAST SEGMENT, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU HAVE DONE IT IN THE SUMMERTIME?

>> AND YOU KNOW WHAT I LIKE?

YOU CAN DRIVE HOME IN THE LIGHTS.

THAT'S KIND OF NIGHT.

THE WEATHER WILL BE COOPERATE.

WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT BEING TOO COLD.

WE'VE HAD SOME DONNYBASHES THAT ARE REALLY COLD.

THIS WILL BE PLEASANT AND A WAY TO RAISE MONEY FOR NINE PBS.

I WAS GONE LAST WEEK, ALVIN DID A GREAT JOB, I WAS IN SALT LAKE AND I SAW A REHEARSAL FOR THE MORMON TABERNACLE CHOIR.

IT WAS BEAUTIFUL.

IT'S GOING TO BE A CHANNEL 9 ON THE 13th AND NO COMMERCIAL.

IT'S GOING TO BE TWO HOURS, THE BEST OF THIS FABULOUS WORLD-FAMOUS CHOIR.

WHERE ELSE CAN YOU SEE THAT TWO HOURS COMMERCIAL-FREE, BUT RIGHT HERE?

AND MADE POSSIBLE FROM GREAT DONATIONS LIKE BUYING A TICKET TO DONNYBASH.

>> THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT, THAT WE'RE HERE TO PROMOTE DONNYBASH AND THAT, BUT YOU'RE SUPPORTING NINE PBS, THE NINE NETWORK, AND THAT'S PARTICULARLY DURING THIS PANDEMIC, NINE JUST STEPPED ITEM.

>> OH MY GOSH.

>> SO AMY AND THE WHOLE TEAM TRULY STEPPED UP FOR ST. LOUIS LIKE YOU CAN'T BELIEVE.

AND IT MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE.

>> THE CHILDREN, THE PARENTS.

>> THE KIDS, EDUCATION, AND WE'RE HAPPY AND PROUD TO BE PART OF IT, BUT I MEAN, IT'S -- THEY DID A GREAT JOB.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> SO IF YOU ARE PROUD OF BEING SOMEONE WHO WATCHES CHANNEL 9 OR WATCHES NINE PBS OR PBS IN GENERAL, PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY, I DON'T WATCH TELEVISION EXCEPT FOR PBS.

WELL, IF YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, DO HELP SUPPORT US BY BECOMING A MEMBER.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THE SHOW THAT HAS ALL OF THESE GREAT JOURNALISTS ON IT, BUT YOU'RE ALSO SUPPORTING ALL OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS.

WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER TO MARY ANN RIGHT NOW AND SHE'S GOING TO LET YOU KNOW HOW TO BECOME A MEMBER.

>> AND IT IS SO VERY EASY.

WHEN CHARLIE WAS TALKING ABOUT DONNYBASH FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE SUMMER, IT KIND OF MADE ME THINK, WELL, HOW GREAT, MAKE A WEEKEND OF IT IF YOU'RE COMING IN FROM OUT OF TOWN.

DO DONNYBASH ON THAT THURSDAY, JUNE 9th, AND THEN TAKE IN A CARDINALS GAME, WHY NOT, WHILE YOU'RE IN TOWN.

WHAT A GREAT WAY TO SPEND A SUMMER WEEKEND.

WE WANT YOU THERE FOR DONNYBASH, IT IS SO EASY.

YOU KNOW YOU CAN GO ONLINE AT NINEPBS.ORG TO JOIN, THAT'S N-I-N-E PBS.ORG OR YOU CAN ALSO CALL US OR TEXT THE WORD "GIVE" TO 1-800-568-9099.

IT'S JUST THAT EASY.

FOR THAT DONNYBASH ON THURSDAY, JUNE 9th, THERE'S AN EASY WAY TO JOIN.

FIRST OF ALL F YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN AT $75, YOU GET YOUR CHOICE OF EITHER ONE TICKET OR THE NEW CHANNEL 9 CERAMIC MUG.

BUT HERE'S THE BEST DEAL.

AT $12 A MONTH AS A SUSTAINING MEMBER OF THE NINE PBS NETWORK, YOU CAN GET TWO TICKETS FOR DONNYBASH FOR THAT THURSDAY JUNE 9th, PLUS YOU'LL ALSO GET ONE OF THE NEW CERAMIC MUGS.

WE THINK THAT IS A WONDERFUL WAY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A GREAT DEAL AND TO BE WITH EVERYONE AT THE SHELDON CONCERT HALL ON JUNE 9th, THAT'S A THURSDAY EVENING.

THE DOORS OPEN AT 5:30.

IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO THE SHELDON, WOW, PARKING THERE IS JUST A DREAM.

THERE'S NOT A BAD SEAT IN THE HOUSE.

YOU'LL BE ENJOYING COCKTAILS BEFORE THEY TAPE THE SHOW.

YOU'LL ALSO STAY AND ENJOY TIME WITH THE DONNYBROOK CAST AFTER THE SHOW AS WELL.

IT SHOULD BE A WONDERFUL FULL EVENING AND WE WANT TO SEE YOU THERE.

SO JOIN US ONLINE OR GIVE US THAT CALL NOW AT 1-800-568-9099.

>> JUNE 9th IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER.

WE'LL SEE YOU THEN.

BILL McCLELLAN, YOU'RE FROM THE LAND OF LINCOLN AND THERE WAS A PROPOSAL IN ILLINOIS BY A STATE REP FROM THE CHICAGO AREA WHICH, IF ENACTED, WOULD ASK THOSE -- ACTUALLY REQUIRE THOSE WHO ARE UNVAXED AND ARE HOSPITALIZED TO PAY FOR THEIR MEDICAL CARE OUT OF POCKET.

AGAIN, PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE NOT TO BE VACCINATED, END UP IN THE HOSPITAL, THEIR MEDICAL CARE COMES OUT OF POCKET, NOT FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANIES.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS?

>> WELL, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF ANY LAW THAT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN REALLY ENFORCE.

THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE SOME UNVACCINATED PERSON IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM RUNNING UP A HUGE BILL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHO KNOWS HOW BIG IT WOULD BE, INTUBATED AND ON A MACHINE, AND GIVE THIS PERSON A BILL FOR $200,000 OR SOMETHING, IT DOESN'T WORK.

AND SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF IT.

THE SAME WAY, YOU KNOW, IF I EAT TOO MUCH RED MEAT OR DRINK TOO MUCH, I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY SAYING TO ME, WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR YOUR OWN HOSPITAL BILLS EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE INSURANCE, WHATEVER.

SO THE -- I DON'T THINK IT'S PLAUSIBLE.

>> I HEAR YOU, BUT I JUST THINK WE'RE TO THE POINT NOW, ALL RIGHT, LET'S QUIT ARGUING ABOUT A MASK MANDATE AND YOU GOT TO DO THIS AND GOT TO DO THAT.

HOW ABOUT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THE CONSEQUENCE OF THIS HAPPENING TO YOU?

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S FAIR.

I'VE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS FAIR ALL ALONG, BUT ESPECIALLY SINCE ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER, YOU KNOW, COMPASSION FOR THOSE THAT JUST DON'T WANT TO LISTEN EVAPORATED WITH ME.

>> WELL, I THINK AS YOU WERE BEING ATTACKED FOR DOING WHAT YOU WERE TOLD TO DO.

>> RIGHT.

>> YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHEN I THINK THE TABLES TURNED FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.

WHEN IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S FINE, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FOLLOW WHAT THE HEALTH DIRECTIVES SAY WE SHOULD DO, THAT'S GREAT FOR YOU, BUT DON'T GET IN MY -- WHAT IS IT?

GET IN MY GRILL BECAUSE I CHOOSE TO FOLLOW THOSE DIRECTIVES.

I'M LIKE YOU, I HAVE LOST ALL SORTS OF PATIENCE IT WITH AND I KNOW -- >> BUT WHAT DO YOU DO WITH A FAMILY, THE FATHER OF A FAMILY OF FIVE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, HE'S AN ANTI-VAXXER AND I'M A PRO-VAXXER, BUT THE FATHER OF FIVE AND HE GOES INTO THE HOSPITAL AND THEY SAVE HIM OR THEY DON'T, BUT EITHER WAY, THERE'S A BILL FOR A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND, YOU KNOW, THE KIDS AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO TO COLLEGE.

>> I KNOW.

>> I HAVE TO SAY, I WAS WITH YOU BEFORE AND I'M NO LONGER NOW.

UNLIKE WHERE YOU WERE, I AGREED WITH YOU AND YOU CHANGED YOUR MIND ON THE SHOW FOR THE SPECIFIC REASON I HAD AGREED WITH YOU.

>> AND HERE YOU NOW ATTACKING MY PARDON.

>> NO, NO, IT'S THE WRONG -- THE POINT IS THAT I'VE LOST PATIENCE.

I'M KIND OF LIKE ALVIN.

I WAS FINE SAYING EARLY ON, WE SHOULDN'T VILIFY THE PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T GETTING VACCINATED, YADA, YADA, YADA.

INITIALLY, I WAS LIKE BE PATIENT WITH PEOPLE, TRY TO BRING THEM ALONG.

THIS IS IT.

WE HAVE TWO WAYS TO GO AS A COUNTRY.

WE CAN HAVE A SENSE, SOME SENSE OF SHARED SACRIFICE LIKE THEY HAD IN WORLD WAR II, AND REALIZE WE'VE GOT TO PULL TOGETHER AND STOP THIS VIRUS AND THE ONLY RELIABLE WAY TO STOP IT IS VACCINATION, PERIOD.

AND THE FACT IS, IF YOU PAY A PRICE OR YOUR HEIRS PAY A PRICE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO BE A GOOD CITIZEN AND BE PART OF THE SOLUTION, I GOT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M THERE NOW.

>> MAYBE IT SHOULD BE A POFRGT BILL.

MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE SOME ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCE -- >> OKAY, I CAN LIVE WITH THAT.

I CAN LIVE WITH THAT.

>> THAT'S A GREAT COMPROMISE.

>> ALSO, I'M TORN ABOUT IF SOMEONE GOES TO THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE THEY HAVE A HEART ATTACK OR SOMETHING, BUT YOU CAN'T GET CARED FOR BECAUSE ALL THESE UNVACCINATED -- >> THAT'S A, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT -- >> SPEAKING OF HOSPITALS, RAY, THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE, DR. SAM PAGE, HAS BEEN WORKING AT A HOSPITAL PART-TIME FOR, AMONG OTHER THINGS TO, KEEP UP HIS CREDENTIALS, ACCREDITATION WITH THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, WHATEVER GOVERNING BODY OVERSEES THAT, BUT SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID, NO, THE COUNTY CHARTER SAYS HE SHALL DEVOTE HIS ENTIRE TIME TO THE OFFICE OF COUNTY EXECUTIVE.

THAT'S A LITTLE BIT NEBULOUS, I THINK.

WELL, NOW -- >> WHAT'S NEBULOUS ABOUT ENTIRE TIME?

>> ALL VACATION TIME, ALL SLEEPING TIME, ALL TIME IN THE BATHROOM, HE SHALL BE A COUNTY EXECUTIVE?

>> OH, CHARLIE.

>> CHARLIE.

>> THAT'S RIDICULOUS.

THE QUESTION IS -- STWLOOS THERE A QUESTION?

>> YES, IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS IN APRIL, WILL A COUNTY EXECUTIVE BE ALLOWED TO MOONLIGHT?

THE ANSWER IS YES BECAUSE IT KEEPS HIM IN TOUCH WITH THE REAL WORLD AND YOU DON'T NEED TO SPEND MORE THAN 40 HOURS A WEEK AS COUNTY EXECUTIVE, RIGHT?

>> NOT IF SOMEBODY PLAY WHAT HAPPENED YOU -- PLAYS WHAT YOU JUST SAID AS AN AD.

NO, HE SHOULD NOT MOONLIGHT.

THIS IS A FULL-TIME POSITION -- >> YOU GOT THREE JOBS.

RAWSTORY.COM, KTRS AND HERE.

>> BUT HE'S NOT BOUND BY ANY COUNTY CHARTER.

HE'S THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE.

HE'S BOUND BY THE CHARTER.

[ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] >> HE'S NOT COUNTY EXECUTIVE.

>> LEAVING MY OWN PARTICULAR GENIUS OUT OF THIS, I'M NOT EXACTLY A ROLE MODEL HERE.

I'M ALSO NOT THE FULL-TIME COUNTY EXECUTIVE.

IS THE INTENT OF THE COUNTY CHARTER VERY CLEARLY THAT HIS FULL -- HIS FULL-TIME JOB.

NOBODY IS SAYING FIGURE ABOUT 168 HOURS A WEEK, BUT HIS FULL-TIME JOB, HIS ONLY JOB WOULD BE AS COUNTY EXECUTIVE.

THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS, A WHOLE LOT OF REASONS WHY THE ELECTED CHIEF EXECUTIVE OF A COUNTY THAT HAS CONTRACTS WITH EVERYBODY, ALL KINDS OF THINGS, SHOULD NOT HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF WORKING -- AND I DON'T CARE WHETHER IT'S WORKING FOR A CONTRACTOR AT A HOSPITAL OR SERVING, YOU KNOW, WORKING AT THE WINDOW OF McDONALD'S, YOU JUST DON'T DO IT.

>> OKAY, THAT -- YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH.

I SAID IF SAM PAGE WAS DONE WITH HIS COUNTY EXECUTIVE WORK AND THEN DID EIGHT HOURS ON THE ASSEMBLY LINE, NOBODY WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

I THINK HE'S BEING PICKED ON BECAUSE HE'S A DOCTOR AND HE MAKES A LOT OF MONEY, ONE.

TWO, WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE AN INDUSTRIOUS COUNTY EXECUTIVE WHO ACTUALLY WANTS TO KEEP DOING HIS WORK OR HAVE ONE LIKE THE PREVIOUS ONE WHO DIDN'T DO HIS JOB AND SAT AROUND PLAYING VIDEO GAMES IN HIS BOXER SHORTS?

I MEAN, I THINK I WANT THIS ONE.

>> NOT ME.

I MEAN, I'M WITH RAY AND WENDY.

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A FULL-TIME JOB AND IT WOULD BE LIKE THE CEO OF A LARGE COMPANY.

IF I'M A SHAREHOLDER AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I GO TO, YOU KNOW, SOME RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING AND THE CHEF HAPPENS TO BE THE CEO OF MY COMPANY, WHAT IS HE DOING?

>> WHAT THE HECK -- >> WELL, HE'S GOT -- >> HOW ABOUT YOU?

WHEN YOU WERE WORKING FULL-TIME, GETTING PAID TO WRITE FOUR COLUMNS A WEEK FOR THE ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH, YOU NOON LIGHTED HERE.

>> HE'S NOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.

>> HE'S NOT BOUND BY THE ST. LOUIS COUNTY CHARTER.

>> PULITZER DECIDED IT'S A FULL-TIME JOB.

>> HE'S NOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.

>> I FEEL GUILTY FOR THAT, CHARLIE.

>> HE'S NOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL BOUND BY THE COUNTY CHARTER.

>> THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT.

>> I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT -- >> I'M WITH CHARLIE ON THIS.

>> COME ON, DEVOTE ALL YOUR TIME TO YOUR JOB.

IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR JOB, DO YOUR JOB.

BUT WHEN HE'S NOT DOING HIS JOB -- >> DON'T DO ANOTHER JOB.

YOU'RE THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE.

HE DOESN'T NEED TO BE DOING ANOTHER JOB.

>> I DON'T GET NA.

>> ANOTHER TOPIC.

ALVIN, I LIKE YOUR STYLE.

WITH 90 SECONDS TO GO, BARKER HAD A REAL GOOD PIECE ON THE DEVELOPMENT THEME IN MAYOR TISHAURA JONES'S OFFICE IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS AND SHE HAS A 28-YEAR-OLD NEW YORK UNIVERSITY LAW SCHOOL GRADUATE OVERSEEING DEVELOPMENT AND HE ALONG WITH NEAL RICHARDSON FORMERLY OF U.S. BANK ARE EXTRACTING TOUGH DEMANDS FROM DEVELOPERS, DRIVING A REAL HARD BARGAIN, BIT ALSO POINTED OUT THAT THE PROPOSALS ARE STARTING TO DWINDLE.

I'VE BEEN IN FAVOR OF ASKING FOR DEVELOPERS WHO GET CONCESSION STOP GIVE A LITTLE, BUT DO YOU THINK IT'S GONE A LITTLE TOO FAR IF PROPOSALS ARE STARTING TO DRY UP SOMEWHAT?

>> NO, WE ALL WAMENTED THIS.

IT WAS OUT OF HAND.

PEOPLE WHO COULDN'T AFFORD WHATEVER THEY WANTED TO DO TO BUILD.

THIS IS A TIME YOU HAVE FOB VERY FORTFUL.

THEY KNEW IT WAS COMING AND IT'S COMING.

PEOPLE WILL COME BACK AND WHEN THEY COME BACK, THEY'LL ASK FOR LESS.

>> YOU BETTER HOPE THEY DO.

I THINK THAT TIMING IS EVERYTHING AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A VERY PRECARIOUS TIME TO BE POSSIBLY -- THESE DEVELOPERS ARE NOT USED TO BEING TOLD NO.

>> WELL, WAIT A MINUTE -- >> ALVIN HAS -- >> THAT MONEY, THAT PART OF THE CITY SAID, FINE -- >> REAL QUICKLY, TEN SECONDS.

>> ALVIN IS RIGHT.

FIRST OF ALL, IT'S A GOOD TOPIC FOR A STORY, GOOD NEWSPAPER SORRY.

>> IT IS.

>> BUT IT IS WAY TOO EARLY TO MAKE THAT CALL.

I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE THE PROCESS A CHANCE.

>> I THINK THE MAYOR IS DOING THE RIGHT THING.

>> LET'S SEE WHAT PEOPLE HAD TO SAY ABOUT LAST WEEK'S PROGRAM.

GUY SHREK WROTE, I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK THE DOME GIVES THE ST. LOUIS CONVENTION CENTER A UNIQUE FACILITY THAT MANY OTHER CITIES DON'T HAVE.

I WAS THERE A FEW YEARS AGO AND THOUGHT THE FACILITY STILL LOOKED NICE.

IT WOULD BE SUCH A WASTE TO TEAR IT DOWN.

WE ALSO HEARD FROM PEGGY FROM FERGUSON WHO WROTE, SO THE ST. LOUIS DOME BUILT IN 1995 IS NOW OBSOLETE?

WELL, HOW OLD ARE OUR ST. LOUIS CITY PUBLIC SCHOOLS?

OBSOLETE, NEED OF UPDATING?

SOUNDS LIKE A MUCH BETTER INVESTMENT IN OUR FUTURE.

MARY WRIGHT OF FLORISSANT WROTE, A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY SHOULD BE SPENT ON UPGRADING THE REGION'S SEWERS.

IF NOT, THE PUBLIC GETS NICKELED AND DIMED FOR INCREASES IN OUR TAXES TO PAY FOR SEWER UPGRADES.

THANK YOU.

@YALESTEWART TWEETED, I PREFER TO SEE THE MONEY USED TO TACKLE OUR ISSUE WITH BLIGHT.

IMPROVE ROADS, PUBLIC TRANSIT, THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM.

SO MANY THINGS, BUT NOT ONE TIME FOR THAT TROLLEY.

AND CREATE A REGIONAL ENDOWMENT, BANK THE $500 MILLION AND CONCENTRATE ON INTEREST EARNED.

WHAT CITY-COUNTY HAS $500 MILLION IN THE BANK AT THEIR DISPOSAL?

YOU CAN WRITE IT CARE OF NINE PBS, 3655 OLIVE STREET, ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI 63108.

WE LOVE THE EMAILS, DONNYBROOK@NINEPBS.ORG, AND THE TWEETS, #DONNYBROOKSTL AND, OF COURSE, YOU CAN FOLLOW US ON YOUR FAVORITE PODCAST, APPLE, SPOTIFY, GOOGLE PLAY, AND TUNE-IN.

THAT CONCLUDES THE ARGUMENT PORTION OF OUR PROGRAM AND NOW WE INVITE YOU TO JOIN US AGAIN JUNE THE 9th FOR DONNYBASH WHEN WE CAN ALL ARGUE IN PERSON.

>> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORT OF THE BETSY AND THOMAS PATTERSON FOUNDATION AND THE MEMBERS OF NINE PBS.

CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY CAPTION ASSOCIATES, LLC www.captionassociates.com * >> ALL RIGHT, FOLKS.

WE'RE GETTING REALLY, REALLY CLOSE TO CHRISTMAS.

WE'RE WITHIN TWO WEEKS AND HAVE YOU GOTTEN YOUR SHOPPING DONE?

WELL, MAYBE NOT IF YOU'RE LIKE MOST OF US.

YOU'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF IT DONE, BUT THERE'S STILL SOME PEOPLE ON THE LIST, THE ONES THAT ARE HARD TO GET THINGS FOR.

WE HAVE THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU CAN GET A GIFT OF EXPERIENCE.

GOING TO DONNYBASH, THAT'S HAPPENING NEXT JUNE ON THE 9th AT THE SHELDON RIGHT HERE.

IT IS A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY AND THERE'S TWO WAYS TO DO THAT.

YOU CAN GET ONE TICKET WHEN YOU JOIN US FOR THE ONE-TIME GIFT OF $75, OR YOU CAN GET THE NINE PBS MUG YOU SEE THERE WITH OUR TAG LINE NOW, STORIES THAT MOVE US.

OR YOU CAN JOIN US AS A SUSTAINING MEMBER AT $12 PER MONTH AND YOU WILL GET TWO TICKETS TO DONNYBASH PLUS THE MUG.

THAT'S THE ONE I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO TO -- OR GO WITH, THE MEMBERSHIP LEVELS THAT YOU COULD GO WITH, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT ONLY GETTING THESE GREAT GIFTS THAT YOU CAN USE FOR THE HOLIDAYS, BUT YOU ALSO ARE MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT IS GOING TO BE IN OUR BUDGET.

HERE AT NINE PBS, WE ARE LICENSED TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO OPERATING IN THE BLACK.

SO WHEN YOU BECOME A SUSTAINING MEMBER, WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE COMING INTO THE BUDGET AND WE CAN PLAN ON UL OF AN OUR GREAT LOCAL PROGRAMMING, THE THINGS WE PRODUCE HERE AS WELL AS MAKE CHOICES ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BUY TO BROADCAST.

SO WON'T YOU PLEASE GIVE US A CALL RIGHT NOW OR IT CAN BE REAL EASY FOR YOU.

YOU CAN GO ONLINE AT NINEPBS.ORG AND CHOOSE WHAT MEMBERSHIP LEVEL YOU ARE INTERESTED IN.

IF YOU'VE BEEN A MEMBER IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW HOW GOOD IT FEELS.

IF YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN A MEMBER, NOW IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO AND TO JOIN THE NINE PBS FAMILY.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HOW LONG DONNYBASH -- DONNYBROOK HAS BEEN ON THE AIR AND LOOK HOW GREAT THESE FOLKS OVER AT THE TABLE ARE LOOKING.

>> RIGHT.

UNTIL THEY SHOW A CLIP LIKE TEN YEARS AGO.

WHO IS THAT GUY?

>> YEAH, YEAH.

>> YOU ARE -- >> YOU SHOULD SEE US.

>> OH MY GOSH.

>> BUT I LOVE THE PRODUCTIONS AT DONNYBASH FOR YOU ALL.

LIKE WHERE ARE THE PYROTECHNICS WHEN YOU NEED THEM?

>> SET THE SHELDON ON FIRE AND OTHER THAN THAT, YEAH.

>> WHEN ALVIN COMES OUT, IT'S LIKE BEING WITH FRANK SINATRA.

>> REALLY?

>> IT REALLY IS.

>> THE SHELTON ITSELF -- >> IS SUCH A GRAND -- >> I MEAN, WHAT A CONCERT HALL THAT PLACE IS.

>> ISN'T IT GREAT?

>> AND I'M SO GLAD THAT KATE SAID WHAT SHE SAID ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT NINE PBS IS TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE -- WHEN YOU ARE A MEMBER, YOU DO -- WE'RE ALL MEMBERS, OBVIOUSLY, AND YOU DO HAVE THAT SENSE OF OWNERSHIP AND PRIDE WHEN YOU'RE WATCHING SOMETHING OR SOMEBODY SAYS, HEY, DID YOU SEE MASTERPIECE THEATER OR DID YOU SEE DONNYBROOK WHICH IS, LET'S FACE IT, THE OTHER MASTERPIECE THEATER -- [ LAUGHTER ] >> WELL.

>> WE'RE LAUGHING OUT LOUD.

>> RIGHT.

>> WHEN PEOPLE SAY THAT, YOU DO KIND OF PUFF UP A LITTLE BIT.

>> YEAH.

>> JUST LIKE, HEY, I'M PART OF BRINGING THAT -- A SMALL PART, BUT STILL, I'M DOING MY PART TO ENSURE THAT IT GOES ON.

>> YEAH, I THINK SO.

>> THE KEN BURNS MOHAMMED ALI THIS SUMMER, FOR ONE, LINING YOU MENTIONED, THERE'S NO COMMERCIALS SO YOU CAN SIT THERE AND WATCH IT FOR THE HOUR AND A HALF AND IT'S KIND OF COOL, YOU KNOW, I WORK FOR PBS, I WORK FOR CHANNEL 9.

THE SENSE OF PRIDE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT, LIKEN BURNS COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT ME.

>> HOW ABOUT THE OUTSTANDING DOCUMENTARY ON CHUCK BERRY THAT AIRED?

>> OH, THAT WAS VERY GOOD.

>> RIGHT.

>> AND THE NEW SERIES OF ALL CREATURES GREAT AND SMALL AND BECAUSE IT'S NOT NEW, THEY DID THAT ALL CREATURES GREAT AND SMALL YEARS AND YEARS AGO.

>> IN THE '70s?

>> YES, IT WAS IN THE '80s, BUT I LOVE THIS ONE.

>> LIVING ST. LOUIS.

>> I JUST THINK IT'S SO COOL THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH ALL THESE THINGS WE HAD NOTHING TOO DO WITH -- >> AND FEEL REALLY PROUD.

>> YOU GOT THE GLORY, RAY, THAT'S RIGHT.

>> WHEN WE WALK IN THE BUILDING, THEY DON'T ASK US WHO WE ARE, SO YEAH, THERE'S PRIVILEGE IN THAT.

KATE WAS SAYING ABOUT, HEY, WE'RE PRIDE OURSELVES ON STAYING IN THE BLACK.

I SAID, YEAH, WE GO IN THE RED, WE MIGHT NOT BE HERE, SO PLEASE, MERRY CHRISTMAS, HELP US.

GIVE TO ST. LOUIS, SAVE US.

>> BY THE WAY, MASTERPIECE THEATER JUST CALLED AND THEY'D LIKE THEIR -- [ LAUGHTER ] >> YEAH, THANK YOU.

>> THAT'S VERY FUNNY.

BUT THE PROGRAMS ON NINE PBS, THEY JUST GO ON AND ON, AND EVERY TIME YOU THINK, OKAY, THEY DID IT WITH YOUNG VICTORIA.

I MEAN, OKAY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS GREAT.

THEN THEY COME UP WITH ALL CREATURES GREAT AND SMALL.

THEN THEY COME UP WITH AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE DID FOR THE SPECIAL SCREENING FOR MEMBERS ONLY OF DOWNTON ABBEY, THE MOVIE, AND IT WAS SUCH AN EXCITING AFTERNOON IN THE THEATER AND ALL THE MEMBERS WHO WERE THERE AND COULDN'T WAIT TO SEE IT.

YOU SIT AND WATCH DOWNTON ABBEY AT HOME AND YOU GO, OKAY, I'M LAUGHING AT MAGGIE SMITH'S LINE THERE, BUT THEN YOU'RE IN THE THEATER SURROUNDED BY NINE PBS MEMBERS AND THEY'RE ALL LAUGHING AT THE SAME THING, AND IT WAS THE MOST DELICIOUS AFTERNOON I CAN REMEMBER.

>> AND THEY WERE IN COSTUME.

THEY DRESSED THIS COSTUME.

>> IT WAS GREAT.

LET'S GO BACK TO KATE ONCE AGAIN.

>> JUST LISTENING TO THEM TALK ABOUT THAT, THE DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES THAT YOU HAVE AS A MEMBER OF NINE PBS ARE MULTIPLE AND VARIED.

YOU ARE ABLE TO WATCH A PROGRAM, KNOWING THAT YOU HELPED PUT IT ON THE AIR.

AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WORK AT THE STATION.

YOU AS A MEMBER HELPED PUT THESE PROGRAMS ON THE AIR.

WE OFFER YOU OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THINGS FOR MEMBERS ONLY.

YOU CAN GO TO DONNYBASH AS OUR THANK YOU GIFT OR YOU CAN GO TO A CONCERT AS PART OF THE THANK YOU GIFT.

YOU HAVE THE GREAT BENEFITS OF BEING A MEMBER SUCH AS BEING ABLE TO GO OUT TO THE PBS APP AND THEN SEE PASSPORT.

AND PASSPORT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE PROGRAMS THAT WERE ON NINE PBS YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO.

IT'S A LIBRARY THAT'S AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS ONLY.

WE HOPE THAT YOU ENJOY THE PROGRAMS ON NINE PBS ENOUGH THAT YOU THINK THEY ARE WILLING TO SUPPORT AND WHEN YOU DO, AT THE $75 LEVEL, YOU'LL HAVE THE CHANCE TO GO TO ONE OF THESE LIVE EVENTS.

DONNYBASH, YOU'LL GET ONE TICKET OR YOU CAN CHOOSE THE MUG.

EVEN BETTER, YOU JOIN US AS A SUSTAINING MEMBER AT $12 A MONTH, AND YOU'LL RECEIVE TWO TICKETS TO DONNYBASH.

SO TAKE SOMEONE WITH YOU, SOMEONE THAT YOU ENJOY BANTERING WITH, SOMEONE YOU ENJOY AGREEING WITH, SOMEONE YOU ENJOY JUST REALLY BASHING WITH, YOU'LL LOVE IT.

AND YOU'LL ALSO RECEIVE THE MUG.

SO PLEASE, GIVE US A CALL RIGHT NOW OR GO TO NINEPBS.ORG AND GIVE.