can you have said that democracy was not the intention of the revolution?

It was a consequence.

What did you mean?

Well, I think the evidence shows that the founders were initially interested in forming a Republican government that would represent sort of the highest class, the property owners, the people who had had some form of education.

As the war progresses, it's really clear that in order to win the war, they're going to have to offer the people who are fighting that war, who are often teenagers and ne'er do wells, and second and third sons without the chance of inheritance, and recent immigrants from Germany and England.

They're going to have to have a stake.

They've done the fighting.

They've done as Sarah said, the dying.

And so what you see is that democracy, which was the big fear all along.

It was the rule of the mob.

Even when Abigail writes to John Adams in Philadelphia and says, remember, the ladies husbands will be tyrants if you let them.

And if you don't give us some representation, we're likely to foment a rebellion.

He'll go, what?

What women will want somethin that you'll have this wonderful tension between the people trying to grasp onto a kind of aristocracy, an elite talent that they're inheriting from antiquity.

This idea of the sort of highest levels of society.

But the reality of the war is.

And remember, it's long.

And as Sarah says, it's bloody, you know, done with bayonet and muskets at very close range.

And the damage is great.

The medicine is really primitive.

People are dying and the people who are staying are that ragtag group.