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It is wellness Wednesday, presented by our friends at work spring.

We're going to be diving into, as we do every week on this show on Wednesdays, diving into topics surrounding around wellness.

Predominantly in the workplace.

But the reality is, as we know, workplaces are full of people.

So wellness, individual wellness that.

Well, that's that's a there.

Yeah.

That's right.

I cannot wait to replace the two of you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's it.

That's right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But.

Yeah.

So we've got Denise Flick there.

The CEO of, Health Works going to be on the program.

Noah Hayden.

Who is a wellness consultant with work.

Spring will be here as well.

And then we get to meet, and have on the program introduce to our audience the new morning host on FM 91, Miki Miller.

Is going to be here as local celebrity.

That's right.

So big, big, big show, big things going on.

Opening day yesterday.

Great way to kick off.

It feels even though, like, climate wise, it doesn't quite feel like it's summer.

Yeah.

Baseball season is here.

And that that turns the corner for me.

Yeah.

Did a show from, the the box yesterday was pretty thrilling.

Very fun for me.

Yeah, it it's nice to be behind the scenes in that is, the Super Bowl of Toledo, Ohio.

And everyone was.

It was great to see everyone.

Everyone came out despite the weather being just okay on the hands, of course.

We're awesome.

The baseball was great, but the community came out and I'm still wearing my muddy buddy around.

I didn't wear it today, but yeah, well, I'm going to keep I'm going to keep it.

For those of you that don't know, what on earth are you talking?

Do you have to watch the show from yesterday?

But a there's a new item for sale in Swamp Shop, which is a little stuffed animal you can wear in your shoulder.

And it may or may not have voices that talk to you.

You know, it just depends.

So, so the the fifth inning, Gretchen was hearing the bird talker.

Yeah.

That's right.

So that was just me whispering.

So, So Craig Katz said that this was like an idea that they had taken from Disney.

Yeah.

I showed the photo of, a screenshot to my family, and right away Danny was like, oh, yeah, it's like a, like a Disney.

And I'm like, I was at Disney with all of them.

Sure.

You were with another zero.

I just put it slightly context for that.

The Disney, they have Disney characters.

It's a specific character from a show.

So I think they just they sell those same little plush toys.

But it started off with Ratatouille.

Yeah.

Oh that's right, that's right.

With what?

Remy.

Yeah, I think is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right.

Two is in my top.

Ten for sure.

It's a good one.

It's a great one.

Do you know.

Good.

It's good.

I love cooking shows.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You do.

She's a pro rodent, which is, which is unusual because once again, when you ran for judge, where you pro.

I was that's I think that what's what made me lose it, basically.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We've got, big show coming up on April 19th for one nine day.

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Gretchen, what are the details?

Well, we're so excited to celebrate for one nine day as the 419 show here on.

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We'll have some tables.

PBS kids tables will be there.

Metroparks will be there.

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Welcome back into the 419.

It's Wellness Wednesday, presented by Work Spring.

And we're joined now by Denise Flickinger with Health Works.

And I got the title wrong.

You were the former CEO, but you now the chief growth officer, executive growth officer, and actually the company that purchased Health works is called Integrated Health 21.

Out of Pittsburgh.

Awesome.

Talk to us about that.

That company that obviously an opportunity to expand.

You know when it was health works in the Cincinnati area but expanding obviously beyond that now with the acquisition.

Also how important was it for you to sell your company to another city on a river?

Oh, gosh.

Well, that was very important.

That's critical.

Yeah.

You know, it was actually we were in conversations for about four years.

So I started Health Works back in 1999.

So what, 26, 27 years ago?

Had a lot of fun getting it to where it is.

Have a great team.

But I also realized I had to have an exit plan and it doesn't happen overnight.

So I started having conversations, with a gentleman named Jack Tamayo who was in Pittsburgh.

And they were very similar company.

And it was really, really important to me that from a culture perspective that we aligned.

So we spent a lot of time talking.

He has been purchasing other companies like Health Works so that we, you know, can expand and organically expand.

So what is the work you do?

So what I do is my my responsibility is obviously growing the business, but our focus is doing worksite wellness.

It's doing biometric health screens that we have an, platform that we spent the last two years building, which is a, an engagement platform to try to get people just excited about health, at minimum, to track the things that they should be doing, preventative screenings, biometric screenings, getting people active and just engaged.

Before we get to what all those are.

Why why do you care about this?

Why is this something of of interest to you?

So, I've always been, passionate about health and well-being.

So my background, my degrees in dietetics.

So I grew up in Columbus, but I went to UC, got my degree.

I taught fitness for about 25 years, and I was probably naive when I first started.

I think I thought that I could just change everybody.

It's sure, you know, I love wellness, so of course you love wellness, and it's hard.

And what I started to realize, over the years is it's not just, that they're lazy.

It's there's always obstacles.

Maybe they're caring for a parent.

Maybe they're in the throes of raising their children.

It's hard to make these commitments for yourself and your health.

Absolutely.

I'm thinking about, I mean, just back to 1999.

I mean, there's there's been a lot of advancement in technology to do all of this.

You know, I think even just an awareness of some of this has certainly changed.

Right.

What's been the biggest change for you in the in the 2027 years that that you've been doing this?

Well, I think when I first started, it was just a nice thing to have.

It was nice to be able to if you had a little extra money as an organization, you might do some biometric screenings or hold what they would call a health fair.

You'd have different vendors there.

Fast forward, I would say probably around 2011 is when I really started to see it becoming part of a business strategy.

And today it's part of every whether you're small or large manufacturing professional, it really doesn't matter what industry.

They've got some type of wellness program.

And we with this or attempt to every Wednesday.

But from an employer standpoint why is this important also.

I think it speaks volumes to the employees themselves and their families that we care about you.

We want you to be healthy.

And there's obviously the what they call ROI.

So they want return on investment.

So there's also the financial part of it.

And I think the more they can save on the health care side, the more they can give back, whether it's through bonuses, whether it's through programs that they're offering back to the employees.

And for the lay person who you were talking to you almost exclusively this morning with, biometrics are what so biometric health screen.

And it's pretty standard in the industry.

What you essentially are doing is you're checking blood work, whether it's done through a fingerstick or it's done an actual blood drop.

Yeah.

Why have we not improved the technology around the finger pricking, just being able to like, just like I would rather you take blood out of my eyes.

Oh, yeah.

That's why it is the center of.

Yeah.

Your nerve endings.

You're there.

give me your finger.

why are we still doing.

Yeah that's right.

But you can get blood from a lot of different places.

Yeah.

Any anywhere near the head.

Yeah, yeah.

Take it out of my skull.

I have never heard someone say take blood out of my skull.

Yeah, well, you're going to learn a lot from me, don't you?

But.

All right, so back to the biometric screening.

Thank you.

Essentially, what we do is a blood draw.

A finger stick or a bank puncture is what they call it.

We do waist circumference.

So we're checking what they call visceral fat because it's toxic to the organs.

So it's important to stay within a certain range or BMI which that, that has advanced BMI was a standard forever.

It was height weight.

But they use the same metric for women as I did men.

And we're just not built the same with muscle and bone.

We do blood pressure and waist circumference.

So we said waist circumference, BMI, blood pressure, blood and the blood would encompass your lipid profile, cholesterol, it would do your glucose.

And many companies also do what we call hemoglobin A1, C, which I think is a lot more accurate than the fasting glucose.

Okay, good.

And those measures, those watts are seemingly very simple measurements can tell you everything you need to know about the person and about their longevity, about their health.

It tells you a lot.

I mean, I think it tells you these are the metrics that we know that people can change through lifestyle modification.

Some of the other things we can't, genetics play a big role in it.

But yeah, you can definitely get a nice picture.

I like the blood draw better because it gives you a bigger picture.

They're both accurate, don't get me wrong.

But it's probably a little bit more accurate.

But in the information you get t is to set appropriate goals or start a plan.

What then do you do with the information?

Do a lot of things with the information.

One is yes, you can.

You can create goals for people.

You identify things that people didn't know they had.

And the one thing I have seen change, we've really pushed individuals to have relationships with their primary care physicians.

That's huge.

But a lot of people are scared.

A lot of people, they don't know where to start.

They don't know how to navigate the system, so they just don't do it.

So I think being able to bring that to them on site and identify, and I think that there is avoidance, obviously is something that I'm particularly skillful at.

But, you know, screening is one of our first shows.

We had someone near and dear to me, Reverend Perriman, who was talking about screening for prostate, examinations in particularly the African-Amer community.

This is just something he's like we speaking for after marriage.

He said, well, this is something we don't do.

But screenings or something, and we all know what time is like, right?

Something you think are referred to as like, oh, it just happened last weekend was in reality months ago.

How how should we be thinking about screening and proper maintenance to our bodies?

I mean, I think it should be an annual thing that you do.

Your body changes.

And my father's a perfect example.

He was identified with prostate cancer when he was 56.

He was very proactive.

So every year he went and he had his PSA done.

Yes, ma'am.

And it wasn't even above a normal level, but it had jumped within that year.

He would have had no idea physically.

So then the next step is you do biopsies.

It was aggressive.

Prostate cancer had the prostate removed.

He's 83 now.

He's doing great.

And the very same thing for, when the loves of my life, a my best friend's older brother, they lost their dad, who ignored, until he had back pain.

And that was metastasized.

And unfortunately, he passed.

But Tristan, who is three years older than I am.

So I think they caught this in his a little bit younger than your dad, but in his late 40s.

Yeah.

And genetically speaking, they have a particularly aggressive form of this, so it saved his life.

He has children.

So it's a great story.

Yes.

And it's in your point.

It's certainly well made.

It's not fun to do, but you should do think about this annually.

If not for yourself, right.

For the people around you.

Because they want you to be around.

I mean, obviously, we've talked about on this show kind of my my health journey, family history, heart disease.

And I remember going in, gosh, I would have been out of college maybe a year or two and going into a cardiologist for an appointment, and I was just terrified.

Yeah, sure.

And I remember my brother telling me, well, whether you go or not, still there.

Yeah, yeah, you have it or you don't.

Yeah, right.

And so wouldn't you rather that's the kind of dumb stuff siblings say that's right.

But it was like that.

It was just like a moment of you're like, I'm a I'm afraid of the test.

And he was like, no, the test isn't the problem.

Yeah.

It's like, right.

It's going to tell you whether you have it or not.

And you kind of need to know that what you're saying is totally relatable, although irresponsible.

Yeah.

You sure?

It is totally relatable.

Yeah.

if you don't mind me asking?

I am always curious.

The sort of people's origin stories, when you were, a little Denise, you were particularly interested in, just particularly active.

How did you start down this path?

Yeah, I was always active.

I was, you know, played sports in high school.

Love to run, love to workout.

I just always have, a passion.

Passion?

Yeah.

What sports did you play?

I played field hockey.

Oh, my sister played for hockey.

And it it is a great game.

And it was in the play.

Was I in New Hampshire was a big I very much out east.

And it seemed like every time the game started getting exciting, they stopped it for some sort of rule.

In fact, it was it was a harder.

Yeah, it was a hard game to watch, but my sister loved it.

But in your family, brothers and sisters, you all are sort of health oriented.

Are you constantly telling these people to get their I, am I a little maybe a little bit of that?

Yeah.

My dad, my dad is I used to run with my dad when we were younger kayaking.

He's he's still my, my my parents are hilarious.

They're they are in Florida right now.

They've got a this motorhome they take with them.

They send a picture yesterday.

Their bikes are out there.

They've got kayaks.

Amazing.

And they're in their 80s.

So it doesn't have to I mean that's kind of the long dream right?

That that people can finish their work life and and stay healthy enough to enjoy those.

That's right.

Kinds of things.

You mentioned something that Integrated Health 21 does at the job site.

So is this something that you take to the employees?

Good question.

Yes, that is the whole premise behind us.

It's on site wellness.

So there's no excuse.

There's no excuse.

You can't make it easy or it's ten minutes.

It's it's just sitting in their office with the finger prick.

You come.

Yeah.

What a prick.

Whatever you want to do.

Yeah.

It's right.

And then they, they come out and they come to the.

We have screens that are set up around.

So it's very private.

And again, it takes like ten minutes to do it.

It makes it easy to get away for all the people you mentioned before, people that are caring for parents or small children.

Yeah.

Just do all your work.

Why?

Why is this a responsibility of the workplace?

Well, they're trying to control.

Cost is a big one.

You know, we want to make you can't manage what you don't know.

So I think especially and then you have, you know, what they call self-funded or fully insured health plans.

So self-funded plans, you know, but self-funded plans, they're essentially funding.

Excuse me, funding the, the health.

So if there is an issue they're paying to a certain point there's a stopgap paying to a certain point.

So with the self-funded companies, it's even more important to identify these risks early.

Yeah.

Just because blood pressure, cost difference and angioplasty cost different than open heart surgery.

So when you catch these things there's a very different cost associated I this potentially is an unfair question.

So bear with me here.

I in terms of business people have been selling things since the beginning of time.

Right.

Have you found yourself or this industry, working against fads?

More or less.

I mean, people want juice cleanses, and have all manner of things to be quick.

Fixes are is there an educational part of this that you're working against?

Have you found more of this or in the in the you've been at this for a considerable time.

So you've seen a lot I think there's a, there's there's a lot of fads out there.

We have to be very careful.

This man.

Excuse me.

I'm sorry.

Excuse me.

You get my order for that, right?

That water is brought to you by some of that.

Yeah.

Excuse me.

Yeah.

So we have health coaches that actually we'll talk to people in big thing now is the GP's.

So it's just making sure that that there's, an educational component behind it.

Yeah.

So do you mind talking a little bit about that.

People are using it.

They are using it.

I don't know a lot about it to be honest with you.

We just I don't I'm not against it.

I don't endorse it either.

I've seen it help a lot.

Let's talk about flossing.

Yeah.

The dance step after people find out about their, whatever the results of their biometric testing is.

What?

What do employers do?

What does your company do to then?

I mean, because if you know it to Kevin's point, if you know it and then don't do anything about it, that's still not a cost savings, right?

Or life saving.

So what I'm seeing companies do now, and this problem, this has been going for probably ten years, but they call it more of an outcomes based program.

So essentially what that means is they're incentivized to participate in this program, whether it's through a premium differential in their health insurance.

So there's a couple things that they can do if risks are identified.

One they should absolutely go to their doctor.

And what I'm saying most employers do is as part of the incentive you have to go to your doctor, you have to do a biometric screening.

You typically you'll answer, a tobacco affidavit or you'll take a tobacco test to prove that you're a nonsmoker and you'll go to your physician.

But there's also a coaching component so that if you are elevated, let's say, your blood pressure, and you can work with a coach.

And if you work with a coach, just say three times, then they'll give you credit for that particular metric.

Nice.

What are we saying about smoking rates are people are obviously they're on the decline.

They're on the decline.

Is there do you guys are they concerned about vaping and other things like that, or is there any age group that that those numbers are going back up?

Well we see them in the younger group obviously, and there is a concern because we don't know what the outcome is going to be.

They've talked about popcorn lung and these different things that we're going to see.

Popcorn lung.

And so, you know, I just know it's something with what the vaping does to your lungs, there's like little bubbles and, this chemical red marker.

Yeah.

Essentially.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

So yeah, that's kind of what we're seeing.

And a lot of companies do test.

So, you know, people think because I'm not smoking a cigaret, I'm not a tobacco user.

That's right.

And if you're doing any type so it's really coatings that they're testing for which is a byproduct.

Next.

Right.

We're talking with Denise Flickinger.

You are a partner with Work Spring.

Yes.

What is that relationship and a great relationship.

So we've been working with them, I want to say probably eight plus years.

Oh, wow.

So they created a program with, a health insurance carrier.

And, as part of that program, the employees have to do the biometric screening.

I think the goal is to get at least 50%, but I think they get a much higher rate.

On participation.

So what we do is where the screening arm.

So essentially every time they bring on a new client or year over year, they reach out to our team and we go ahead and coordinate the screening, meet with the client, do the promotion and the screening, and then we upload the information to that health.

It has to be some feel good here.

I mean, it sounds like you had one, you know, personally with your father.

What has there been an moment or what kind of what keeps you interested and excited about you?

You have a lot of energy, naturally.

Me I do, yeah.

So that's wonderful.

But how do you.

It's been 30 years.

Yeah.

How do you stay?

What keeps you engaged like that?

I'm so passionate about it.

I look forward to Monday.

On Sunday, I just do what I always have.

Yeah, I love what I do and any moment with a particular patient or working a that is noteworthy to you.

I'm sure there's.

Well sometimes the moment is identifying something and we've had so many situations where we identify risk, we get on the phone with people and we have a conversation, and get them the help that they need.

There's also we screen year over year.

So we do an aggregate report so we can actually show from a cohort perspective.

You know Denise went through last year she's actually made improvements this year.

She's year and or but she's made improvements lives here.

That's saving lives right.

That's wonderful.

If people want more information on your organization or kind of where to get started down this journey, where can they find it?

They can, oh gosh, the new website.

Sorry.

I'll plug it in here.

Just move your mouth.

Can I get a phone number?

Is a perfect (513)751-1288.

Perfect.

Awesome.

Denise.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

It's nice to meet you.

Thank you.

Join us.

Here we come back.

We'll have Noah Hayden with work.

Spring will join us to continue the conversation around screenings and what work Springs doing about it here in the region.

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We're joined now by Noah Hayden a wellness consultant with Work Spring.

Noah thanks for being here.

Thanks for having me guys I appreciate it.

We've had other wellness consultants on we've been seeing on the road.

Yes, yes that's right.

I've heard, I've heard that's all you do.

You're like, wait, no, wait, what did they say about us?

Only good things and good things.

But we could talk after about the wellness.

Thank you for lying.

Well, we need as many wellness consultants as we can get from there.

So, What what is what does it mean to be a wellness consultant?

It works.

Brian.

Yeah, we as a well as consultant are just here to help our clients in any way possible.

Right.

So we do a variety of things.

You know, by planning different wellness events, you know, maybe communication or marketing, maybe it's just created marketing for, for a client, maybe it's getting on site and actually helping people, you know, log on to their wellness portal or complete wellness activities.

It really is a variety of things that, you know, each day doesn't look the same, right?

It could be, a variety of things for a different client depending on their goals.

So we're here to help them, whatever their wellness goals may be.

From a privacy perspective, I imagine you can't give out like, exact company names.

But talk to me about what what types of companies you're you're working with.

Is it a particular size and a particular industry?

Yeah.

That's great.

People's names and the Social Security.

Yeah, yeah, I've memorized lots and I know I have nine discovery classes.

Yes.

Yeah.

No, I mean, we usually, around the midsize companies that we will work with.

So, like about 50 to 500.

Yeah, sure.

So we don't really small often don't work with them and very large we don't often work with as well.

But these companies can be, a wider range of industries.

Right.

We have, you know, in basically, manufacturing, we have a lot of manufacturing, but school systems and, distribution centers and, a lot of different things, design studios or anything like that.

If they want to work on their wellness, we are willing to work with them.

So we have a lot of different options.

So the different industries have different particular health or wellness needs, or is it sort of across the board the same.

That's a great question.

You know, not really.

When when when you look at maybe something like manufacturing, maybe individuals have, you know, they're on their feet.

They're moving a lot right now, but maybe they, consume a lot of sugar.

So they have higher, blood sugars.

Right.

Just because based off the the way they work, they have to consume something fast.

Oftentimes that's not going to be the most healthy option, right?

They don't have time to go cook a meal in between their shifts.

Right.

So something like that, you know, you see often really it right now we're seeing a lot of the same things, right?

We're seeing a lot of the high blood pressure.

I know you talked to Denise, earlier, and she talked a little bit about all of the things that we screen for.

And when we work with biometric screening, we screen for the blood pressure.

We screen for the blood sugar, all of the lipid profile that they, you know, we see a lot of that.

So that's what we're looking at.

No, I don't know that we've asked anyone else's before, but what does day one look like when with a new new company, a new group.

Yeah.

Well, how do you start this?

It's really.

Who are we?

What are we doing?

Is that what they say to you when you arrive?

A lot of times, yeah, a lot of times, like, what is this person doing on our work site?

What if it's virtual, if it's a call?

Sometimes we do that, you know who?

Why am I talking to know right now?

Who is this person?

And it's really explaining who we are as work spring, but really who we are as a wellness consultant and why we're there to help.

And why do we want to help?

Why does why do we why do I care what, you know, a school system in Columbus, Ohio does, right?

It's because we really do care about the individuals that we work with, and it's really just explaining that to them.

Why is it set up so that it's not perceived as like a punishment?

It's not something that they're having to do.

It's not it's not that I like, oh, I have to go talk to these dumb people, you know what I mean?

Like how how did how do the best organizations set it up so that people are actually interested?

Yeah, yeah, we do get a lot of hesitant individuals that that chat with us, especially first.

Right?

I mean, no one wants to go to the doctor and see that they have high blood pressure or high blood sugar, and no one wants to talk about their wellness, especially maybe at the worksite.

Right.

Sure.

It it really one rewards help, right?

Incentives.

Yeah.

If the company can offer any type of incentive that is beneficial, that gets people in the door, that gets people talking.

Yeah.

Works bring we offer rewards a lot of times as well for individuals who participate in our program.

So that is a good icebreaker, right.

And when we offer something like that, if it's gift cards, if it's, you know, other raffles, things like that, it's a really good icebreaker to, to have that.

But really it's just being present is often a good way to, softens us.

Yeah.

Consistency.

See in our face.

Right.

If it's virtual, being on site as much as we can.

Yeah.

If they see us, the more, the more times, throughout the year, the more it's like a friendship when you're onboarding a new client, new partner.

Is there a common like problem that you're seeing?

And workplaces be like, oh, pretty much everybody's getting this thing wrong.

We're going to move the pop machine out of here or something.

Yeah, yeah, we're getting rid of the free candy.

Yeah, it's it's honestly prevention getting people to do their preventative care if it is a biometric screening, but also just going to their doctor and annual physical, it is often completely free of charge with, with most insurances, just being able to have a relationship with your doctor, that seems to be one of the hardest, conversations to have and hardest needles to move questions I've been lucky to have relationships with.

Doctors I have is not the same.

It's not.

It's.

Just oh my God.

Oh, there you.

Know.

Oh, that was good.

Save you.

Are you, Okay, buddy.

You know, you seem like a particularly warm, person.

Which would make me clearly already feel at ease.

You know, how did you start in this?

Down this field, I did?

You seem like a comparatively young person, especially with these old fossils in my life.

Talk to me about how'd you get into this, this particular line of work.

Yeah.

Great question.

I, you know, I have actually started, you know, playing sports in high school and college.

And now, you know, baseball is my.

Yeah, baseball position, second base.

Yeah.

So you do have a very strong arm.

Not a strong arm, but of your hands.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We're talking, we just had a, opening day here.

Yeah.

We've been teaching Gretchen about baseball, and, somehow we've all learned less.

Yeah.

So go ahead.

Listen, it's a it's a hard sport to get to get on to for, you know, at first, but just keep trying.

Yeah.

So.

So, Gretchen, every position in baseball is assigned a number on the scoresheet.

Okay.

What number is second base obviously to.

That was a it's a fair guess what she's doing.

Sorry I almost said that was a good guess.

It wasn't.

It's not a good.

So is it catcher pitcher a pitcher.

Pitchers on fourth.

Yes.

Good job you guys.

I figured it out.

Yeah.

So then what is shortstop?

I don't know what that position is.

Yeah, I'll say seven.

You know.

No, please.

God save us.

Yeah, yeah.

So you've been you started down this path sports I love that.

And I actually started in strength conditioning okay.

So youth sports, I did a lot of strength and conditioning in grad school, and, I really loved that as a passion.

And then I went into actually into clinical exercise physiology.

Oh, wow.

I've worked in cardiac and pulmonary rehab.

So the complete opposite of shrinking in with middle schoolers, right?

Yeah.

So working with maybe, a lot of, patients past that, that prime.

Right.

So it it was a big change, but I really enjoyed both.

And I got to learn a lot about the clinical side of health and wellness.

And, you know, the beginning signs of did someone seeing the other end of the spectrum caused you to want to go back and try to be in the preventative side?

Yeah, that's a yeah.

You know, when I look back on it and look at my time in something like cardiac rehab, you really think about where you're at and what you can do to help prevent.

It's not always preventable.

Right.

There's there's that.

Right, right.

Our our family.

And that is absolutely true.

But some things are very much preventable.

Or at least you can do the most, you best.

You can't.

Right.

Exactly.

And so working in corporate wellness, like at work spring, we get to really preach that, to our clients and to the people that we work with.

And absolutely, when you see some of the things that that you get to see in cardiac rehab, pulmonary hab, it really makes you think about and want to help those, before they get to that stage.

We're talking with Noah Hayden with Work Spring here on a wellness Wednesday presented by works spring on the 419 Noah.

What?

Yeah.

You know, obviously we talked with Denise a little bit about screenings and the biometrics and the the tech around all of this.

What are some of the the tech tools that you use or recommend to your clients to help make tracking some of this or addressing some of this easier?

You know, the the tracking tools nowadays are amazing.

I mean, the fitness devices that we have access to, are really fun.

And, you know, I wear a fitness device.

Many people do.

I will say they may not be the most accurate.

They are getting better.

Yeah.

You know, steps are pretty accurate.

Heart rate is pretty accurate.

Calories you burn.

Not so accurate.

It can be up to 60% off.

Yeah.

What they like should be a lot higher.

Well you know yeah I wish as well I wish as well.

But you know there's something that it is something it gives us an idea of how hard we're working or how, you know, well, we're sleeping or the amount of steps that we're getting, how much it takes.

I mean, to eat the thing you want to eat, if you're if you're trying to do it that way, that you know, this five mile run.

Yeah.

It's not going to necessarily get rid of that, unfortunately.

So I do love the trackers.

There are a lot of great ones out there.

I'm not here to endorse anyone, you know.

Sure.

I, I wear Fitbit, but, you know, the aura rings are really popular now.

Yeah.

Garmin swoops.

There's a lot of different options.

Yeah, those are great.

There are a lot of apps as well.

So I know with work spring, we have an app that we tied with.

Right.

That people can track.

You know, there's the My Fitness pal and, ones that you can track foods and things like that.

A lot of great apps, that, that are out there.

I always just encourage people to try it out for a little bit.

You learn a lot within those first two weeks that you that you track.

If it's your tracking exercise or your tracking food.

Yeah, you learn a ton about yourself and your routine.

I think it's fascinating that, I don't know if fasting is the right way to describe it, but I think it's also also said that we usually lean into things or learn more from celebrity endorsement or professional athletes or sports fan sounds like yourse You know, LeBron James, or other athletes.

So you should be careful what you read and people like, oh, I should be careful what I eat.

And then it was sleep, right?

Yeah.

And then now breathing.

Right.

Yeah.

The very these are conceptual things you've been learning for, though, like, professionals your entire life.

I, I'm a little curious.

And this is.

Might just be akin to what we're talking about.

No sleep, is that, that seems to be something that people neglect.

Are you.

It is the foundation of wellness.

Sleep well.

What?

What?

Right now, on a personal level, are you focused on?

Well, I think I might be the bad one to ask this.

I just had a baby three weeks ago, so sleep is at a premium.

Yeah.

I mean, it's like, definitely sleep is the most of my life.

But before that, let's sleep.

Yeah, it wasn't a great.

Yeah.

Three weeks ago.

It feels like three years ago.

In 17 or so years, you can get sleep again.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Congratulations.

Thank you, thank you.

Boy or girl?

Boy name?

William.

Oh, I love it.

Yeah.

Thank you, thank you.

Yeah.

I mean, before that, sleep was my priority.

I mean, it really is the foundation of wellness.

And 7 to 9 hours as much as I could.

You know, it sounds difficult to get that.

And for most people, it is.

I mean, but being able to prioritize sleep and getting anywhere near that is really the foundation.

I mean, you, exercise better.

You eat better during the day when you sleep well, you know, you do have more energy to, you know, play your kids or get things done or get an extra workout in.

So really sleep.

I mean, that that's the foundation.

How do we get back and get back to how do we get to a space where workplaces allow napping in the middle of the day?

When you find that out, let me know.

Okay.

That sounds great.

No, I think I'll come back again.

We'll make it.

Yeah.

Perfect.

Thank you.

Yeah.

I mean, being able to prioritize self-care, you know, at the workplace, it's it's becoming more relevant, more popular, more.

It just ingrained into the workplace.

And I think that's great.

Maybe it's not naps, but maybe it's been able to reset for a second in any way that a person may find helpful.

You know, being able to take care of your health, being able to have a day where maybe you you need to catch up on your mental health, being able to take that day.

Yeah, these things are becoming more popular and it's good.

So if you have if you do your biometric screening and then you have sleep, what's the third thing?

If you do those two things and someone's like starting out, what would you say is the next important thing that or key thing that they need to do to get started?

Unfortunately it is diet.

I mean, it is it is the way we eat.

Yeah.

You know, at least, being able to have that conversation with your with your doctor, maybe a dietitian, registered dietitian, that that may be the next step.

Unfortunately it is.

It is the way we eat, you know, reducing the amount of sugar, alcohol that we have.

These things can be, can be really helpful.

The first reading part for people, I think, sometimes is, you know, go to your doctor, go to your doctor, go.

Yeah.

But do does work spring or year.

This may not be your area of expertise, but then you go to your doctor and try to have that conversation.

And it can be that they're just like they brush it aside.

They don't have time.

They don't.

They don't have the interest.

They just say lose weight or whatever.

Yeah.

Is there anybody that's working with physicians or training or to make them more approachable?

Yeah.

To make it so that so when someone goes and finally gets to the doctor and tries to have the conversation with them, that they're the everything that you're doing is reinforced.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You're right.

I mean, doctors, medical doctors don't have a ton of training in nutrition.

They they know what they're talking about, but also they don't have a lot of time.

Right?

Right.

They have those ten, 15 minute appointments where you're in and out and it nothing against our primary care physicians.

They do a great work.

Right.

But it is the time constraints that they have.

You know, something like if you're working with work spring, we do have a lot of educational sessions that we offer.

You know, if you are have a major medical, health plan, a lot of times they will offer, you know, free nutrition counseling or working with, you know, don't your doctor shouldn't without for no cost.

Right?

You really just have to look into some of the resources that you have.

Depending on the health plan that you have or even your worksite, sometimes your worksite, your workplace will offer these things and they just are not advertised as much.

That's something to look into it.

That's an interesting kind of idea of a first step there.

Then, like at least I'll point out, is a go, you know, go back and talk to your HR department to say, hey, what what what's covered.

Right.

Let's I mean, the amount of the just the joy that people get from free stuff, right?

You go to the mall and someone's like, hey, sign up for a credit card for a free t shirt.

You're like, I'll do this.

But like, but we don't take advantage of the free things that are there in front of us for our own health and wellness.

Right.

And so maybe just to start there to say, hey, what what's free?

Right?

What what doesn't take a whole lot of time.

It doesn't cost me any money.

What are those things that I could do?

No.

Thank you so much.

Yeah.

I think we appreciate your time.

Thank you.

Congrats on the on the new one.

Thank you.

You're welcome to stay here in Toledo as long as you need to just catch up on sleep and sleep.

Yeah.

The hotel sleep was was good.

Yeah, well, tell your partner that you had to stay later.

Perfect.

Yeah.

We need a lot more help on wellness.

Perfect.

That's great.

That is accurate.

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And of course, if you're listening to FM 91 already, you'll probably recognize our next guest voice.

Hey, the new morning host on, FM 91, Mickey Miller.

Mickey, thanks for joining us so much for having me.

Thanks for being here.

You are brand new to the, how are you?

How are you liking it so far?

I love it.

I mean, I had the benefit of being a listener.

I interned, briefly during the pandemic.

So getting to be on site and seeing everything and all the, so many shows and things we've got going on over here, it's great.

The team here is a nightmare right there.

So lovely.

Yes.

What was it that I mean, when you saw this opportunity kind of open up, what was it that drew you to this?

Sure.

I, have worked in arts admin.

I've worked in education as well.

So any opportunity to yap about my favorite music and different artists and community, programs that come together in this space are lovely.

I joke with people that, for folks that are listening to FM 91, when 3:00 rolls around, they get our show.

We're like the only people that aren't whispering on, you know, on FM 91.

Where did you find your, like, FM 91 voice?

It comes pre-built for the most part.

So I studied voice in opera.

I also, when I was at BG, they have a phenomenal, communication and speech disorders program.

So if you have any kind of needs for speech therapy or, just, you know, finding your lowest note, go up a fifth and maybe find a comfy, easy, resonant space.

Listen to your voice.

Makes me hate my voice, even though it does me to.

I think everyone hates hearing their own voicemails.

Yeah.

So how did you get an interest?

Because in the morning you're back and you're in and out of National Public Radio, right?

Or and then you start.

Do you start the classical music part of the morning as well?

I do.

Okay.

So how did you first get involved with obviously you had some opera training or interested in classical music.

So I grew up in kind of an eclectic musical house.

My mom is a bluegrass musician.

And I, my brother is a metal like percussionist and plays guitar.

We had Suzuki violin training.

I went, yeah, you got did you do this or you have to do it.

So I had to sit with wooden, watch him do it.

Yeah, yeah.

I started young enough that I had to practice standing on the bed because I would drop my rental when you're three.

You didn't I didn't practice.

Oh, it's fine now.

I can read music.

Well, nice.

I'm grateful.

But what is this?

It's a method of teaching.

Okay.

So kind of in the same sense that you learn to talk, and tell stories before you read.

Yeah.

No, not at all.

I just she's always been a little bit of a diva with, Yeah.

So love it.

But, no, I, was really fortunate to enjoy lessons.

After I finished violin and I wound up going into school at Mizzou, went through LSU and then Bgsu, and I had a blast.

And you made your way back to northwest Ohio.

What's what's your favorite part of the of the mornings?

I really love a little extra time.

I'm not as much of a morning person as you might expect, so I always build in an extra hour to just be a bit of a zombie and listen to things and have my own space before I see people.

What do you listen to?

Depends on the day.

Yeah.

There's there's some good, I've got, like, my little playlist for the commute that you get some energy.

A little little mix of classical, a little mix of, like club jazz, whatever.

And do you get to select the music?

Is it totally within your discretion about what's going to be played?

So we will be doing that?

I'm very grateful for Brad Creswell has been easing me in and said, all right, here's what we've got.

But if you want to throw something in the mix for now, go for it.

And then we'll be doing all my all my mixes.

When did you perform?

When, when were you in performance for opera?

Sure.

So, I did undergrad masters and a good amount of contemporary, music at BG, and I enjoyed more of the chamber and choral side.

I joke that LSU is like SEC opera.

They've got a phenomenal program, and I did quite a few shows with them.

I did some young artist programs and a little bit of travel.

But all, oh, pre-pandemic.

And yeah, yeah, I enjoy the production side.

I enjoy making chamber music with my friends.

Where do you get the get rid of your sort of performance bug now, do you sing anywhere or are you in a choir or are you the commute?

Yeah.

Pour it out in the.

Oh no, no.

And I teach, so, so I still teach voice, over at, Okla, with Live Arts Toledo.

I, we'll actually be singing over there with their WC coming up in a couple weeks next week.

So, yeah, we we find time, like, seven year old, who is interested in voice lessons.

How early can you start?

Can, Anytime.

Okay.

The most productive I have found in it depends on the school of the teacher.

Often getting some musical, literacy in piano or other instruments can be most beneficial before they hit like, 1112.

You have, in your own career, do you have a favorite, a favorite production, an moment that, still feels peculiar to you and not like a disastrous experience?

Oh, well, let's start with the positive there.

Sure.

I you mean for things that I've watched or things that I've been in and you've been, I loved doing and true love is, Stravinsky.

So the a The Rake's Progress.

Pardon me.

Thank you for making that correction.

Of course.

No, the the articles are important.

It was, it was a stunning.

It was gorgeous.

Fun, fun.

Peace and a role.

And I definitely knocked over topiary in it, so it might be a best and worst.

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

That's lovely.

I love Stravinsky's a gateway into all the weird, new, fun things.

And the composers.

Yeah, yeah, mixed media everywhere.

It's fun.

Let's let's talk about and public media a little bit.

I mean, obviously there's a big chunk of FM 91 that is playing classical music, here in Toledo, the only station that's doing that.

Why is that important?

It's for me about access.

It's about having communication, about the history that we're built on, but also the new ideas that are coming into it.

It's I mean, in any musical style, it's something of a language.

And it's not a dead genre by any stretch of the imagination.

There's new artists, there's new voices and conversations constantly going on.

So having locally curated and, curious spaces is really important.

What do you enjoy most about?

One of the things I most regret is my mom wanted me to learn piano and I didn't.

I studied voice and I sang, but I didn't.

I never learned how to play piano or an instrument, and I still wish I would have just listened to her and had that skill set.

What do you enjoy or what do you think young people get out of having that skill set or that ability?

I think there's a couple of pieces.

There's a lot of problem solving, discipline, goal setting.

So understanding that something can be to be celebrated in front of people.

But it's also what do you have to say about this idea?

What do you have to say about this, this, phrase or this, moment in a piece?

But you also learn a lot of teamwork.

There's, there's a lot of sports overlap with, with any kind of theater kid.

There's a lot of great things to be learned.

And something old.

Something new.

Where do you listen for new or find new inspiration?

I'm spoiled with a lot of great friends that are music makers.

So often I'm staying in touch with them, seeing what they're working on, but also what they're excited about.

So just you know, and and finding things that aren't always this is the next gig.

It's just, hey, this is a this is a silly, weird tune and something we both the, symbol for an extra half hour or something.

Who would be on your Spotify wrapped list, like for last year?

Like your top artists that you're listening?

Intimate question.

Oh, no, no, she's the worst.

No, she's a lovely she's a singer.

I get it right.

We let's see.

I have really enjoyed, I'm a big Chris Philly fan.

We'll be sad to miss that next week.

I think, the other folks I listen to, I listen to a lot of Betty Carter.

Beverly Sills, I love Whitney Houston.

I love, few different, like, up and coming bluegrass artists as well.

If if somebody is not into classical music, but they're, like, interested in sort of exploring and walking down that road, what's the what's some stuff that you recommend like a start here.

Yeah.

What's the point of entry.

Yeah, yeah.

I would start with what they know they like a little bit like sound wise.

So I know some friends that, can't stand the sound of an opera singer.

And don't don't try to force yourself, start with your threshold of attention.

You can go with a mood.

It's.

There's no reason to to force yourself to enjoy something.

It's like vegetables, you know?

It's just.

Yeah.

Try it.

If you like it, great.

If it's something similar.

But.

No.

Before you said about nutrition, health and wellness.

Yeah.

Just ignore the things that go.

Vegetables.

Yeah.

To supplement the diet.

Oh, no.

You're fine.

Yeah, that's.

I think that's the question.

Would you remind me?

Point of entry, point of entry.

Right.

Also look at what artists, you already like, and see what influences or what they might have, in common with different stories or different, scale.

Right.

So if you like, some big, like classic rock or something large and sound, maybe start with, larger for Symphony or.

Yeah.

Do you take requests on your show soon to be.

We'll see.

No.

Have to, you know, chat with Shane.

Yeah, sure.

Well, that sounds like a request.

I get a hotline.

I do think that's such a brilliant piece of advice, though.

And it goes with food pairing and wine and everything is.

The entry point is, I don't know, what do you like?

And that it's such a great.

That's such a seems intuitive and seems like such a simple direction, but it isn't.

People force themselves to like something or they feel like they should.

It's a sign of a class dance or something.

You know, you don't have to like Miles Davis to like jazz, right?

But that's a very thoughtful way of describing it is.

But this, I mean, you and I, we've had that conversation about wine, right?

Yeah.

You're smiling.

And so the idea of like, you know, you know, all of these great things about wine and it's like, oh, if you like $3 bottles of wine.

Yeah, drink a $3 bottle of wine when there's nothing wrong with, second cheapest wine or whatever the the sketch was the, there, there are levels of taste, and there's always going to be someone who judges, based on, their own set.

Yeah.

Just do what you like.

That's right.

Like you're going to have good taste.

Well said.

Tell us a little bit about your life in Toledo.

What do you do when you're not, And FM 91.

What?

Hobbies.

Anything else you like to do in Toledo?

Sure.

I love to go out to eat.

I love I've become a walleye fan, I don't I it's my favorite season.

It's exciting.

It's loud, it's fun.

How does that happen?

Well, I just don't.

I think I was invited, no, I had been to Mud Hens, a fair amount because I grew up in Kansas City.

Royals fan at the time that I was there.

It's similar in experience to the minor league where they're, they got better at it.

Anyway, I love so much.

Yeah.

When I was there, the rules were working for a professional.

They were.

They were doing some stuff.

No, no, no, they were doing some stuff.

There is it was Friday nights were about fireworks and hotdogs.

Yes.

And that's and that's the joy of that I experience in minor league.

And while I think I'm on season four, I only or my fourth season attending and I can yell offside.

Otherwise I'm still learning the rules.

That's cool.

It's like it's such a welcoming space.

What's your favorite local restaurant?

I really like the Beirut.

Yes, I have places.

So that was that was that was a lot, man.

So.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I also like hockey too.

Yeah.

So obviously as a, purist musician, sorry, who's now a walleye fan, are you yelling in the middle of the national anthem?

Are you letting it finish?

So performance practice would dictate that we should yell, because that's how it is experienced in that stadium.

Yeah, yeah.

So it's actually property.

So I think that by rights, you should sing the national anthem as the new host of F you.

Would you?

I think it would be fun to do the trade off of announcers and have one of their play by plays do the the symphony.

Yeah, we're going to make that happen.

That is a great we're going to make that happen.

And then you do well and they live on something.

Oh no I don't really oh that gentleman stolen that.

But you can do the color commentary.

You don't have to do that play by play.

When I was in college I like there was a part of me that was like, to be a play by play.

Announcer.

And so the only sport that didn't have somebody on it was hockey.

Yeah.

And I did the radio broadcast of a men's hockey game at Miami, and all Out brawl broke out, and I was like, I don't know.

Oh, I mean, the, the goalies were fighting, like, literally, they met in the middle of.

We're just thrilled there's a delightful fight going.

Yeah, I gentleman they're talking about civic issues in the middle of the show.

No one told me that they would do that.

So my first volley game, I got like a proper, and everyone just started celebrating and they did a little dosey doe and it was, it was like, does that happen in the office here at two and two people start fighting.

I knew the lights dim and music starts playing a fight club.

After that.

What a beautiful answer.

That too.

I'm new.

If you see Shane walking down the hall with the helmet, you know he's about to go down.

He's a jet.

All right, all right.

Rapid, rapid fire.

It's now time for Gretchen's wacky quiz.

All right, I'm going to ask you for rapid fire questions.

Gretchen is asking for your favorite thing in a row about Toledo in the.

You and Matt will describe Toledo in exactly nine words.

All right.

If you could speak with the British royal family, what would you ask them?

How are you?

So how's it going?

This spring?

Make it back.

Yeah.

Which celebrity annoys you the most?

I know celebrities very well.

I can't suddenly think of a single celebrity.

I don't know, Tara Reid.

What's she doing?

She's only costume recently.

She's done right?

Yeah, yeah.

What what something.

Oh, is what is always guaranteed to make you angry.

Oh, Tara Reid.

No.

She's fine.

She's, I have not this Sharknado.

No.

The.

I don't like when people don't, give space for somebody pulled over on the side of the road.

I really hate if you don't just get over instead of, like, spout, like, give them space.

Yeah.

And then who?

Out of all of your friends do you admire the most?

I know we just met, but I hope that you, Yeah.

Probably you.

Thank you so much, I need it.

I know, I have a very dear friend.

Chris Murphy's a good buddy and a good homie.

We met, as the fellow southern compatriots and, Bgsu.

And he's good people.

All right.

What's your number one most favorite thing of where you consider to be the best thing about the city of Toledo?

I just the community, it's it's it's electric.

I know working at, the Toledo Symphony, I got to do a lot of run out concerts where if groups were coming in to visit us or if we had ensembles or the whole Christmas run outs, getting to go and see folks in their own spaces and how connected every little facet of this area is, it's lovely.

All right, I'm gonna start you out.

We've got nine words, but I'll give you community for one turkey.

Love that.

Give you the beer.

Thank you so much.

All right.

That's technically three words.

We get seven left.

All right, let's do it.

Okay.

The arts.

All right.

Love it.

We're on fire with the museum.

It's part of the arts.

Live arts.

Live artists Symphony is gorgeous.

Yes.

Jazz orchestra.

Jazz orchestra.

Festivals and lifestyle things.

And live music.

One laugh was the last.

And we get it right.

The Metroparks.

It is so nice meeting you.

So congratulations on your new post.

Matt is going to make you go out to the Metroparks.

Yeah.

Do you live a live show from oh I'd love would do a live show from Wildwood.

Get the geese outside.

Honestly, there's not some ambiance.

All right.

Mickey Miller, thank you so much for joining us.

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