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>> ALAN DERSHOWITZ FACES DEFAMATION CHARGES INVOLVING A SEX TRAFFICKING CASE.

THEN AN ORGANIZATION KNOWN FOR SEEKING JUSTICE FOR OTHERS FACES CHARGES OF RACE AND SEX DISCRIMINATION.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES WP THE GLOBAL GAG RULES IMPACT ON WOMEN AND HIV IN AFRICA.

HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY."

DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, SEX TRAFFICKING ACCUSATIONS GOING TO COURT.

FAMED ATTORNEY AND HARVARD LAW PROFESSOR, ALAN DERSHOWITZ, IS BEING SUED FOR DEFAMATION BY A VICTIM OF CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER AND PEDOPHILE, JEFFREY EPSTEIN.

VIRGINIA SAYS SHE WAS A VICTIM OF SEX TRAFFICKING AND ABUSE BY BILLIONAIRE, EPSTEIN, WHO FORCED HER TO HAVE SEX WITH DERSHOWITZ AND OTHER PROMINENT WEALTHY MEN WHEN SHE WAS UNDER AGE.

SHE ALSO SAYS DERSHOWITZ WAS A PARTICIPATE IN THE SEX TRAFFICKING SCHEME.

DERSHOWITZ CALLED GIUFFRE A LIAR AND EXTORTIONIST AND SAID HE HAS BEEN LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE HIS INNOCENCE IN COURT.

EPSTEIN HAS BEEN BACK IN THE NEWS BECAUSE PRESIDENT TRUMP'S LABOR SECRETARY, ALEX ACOSTA, RECENTLY CAME UNDER SCRUTINY FOR SO-CALLED SWEETHEART PLEA AGREEMENT HE MADE WITH EPSTEIN WHEN ACOSTA WAS A FEDERAL PROSECUTORS.

CONGRESSWOMEN NORTON, HAVE ALL OF THE MIGHTY FALLEN YET?

>> BONNIE, THE #METOO MOVE MANY HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB.

BUT I FEAR THAT MOST OF THE MIGHTY WHO SHOULD FALL HAVE YET TO FALL.

>> I'LL AGREE WITH THAT.

IT HAS DONE A GOOD JOB, THE MOVEMENT, YEAH.

BUT THERE ARE SO MANY MORE OUT THERE WHO HAVE BEEN BAD ACTORS LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN, RUINING THE LIVES OF SO MANY YOUNG WOMEN.

LET'S SEE WHAT COMES.

>> WE HAVE A BIG EXAMPLE TO MAKE OF THE BIG APPLE AND THE WHITE HOUSE.

SO I THINK THE MIGHTY ARE JUST STARTINGSTARTING IT FALL.

>> TO THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP AND JEFFREY EPSTEIN WERE CLOSELY LINKED.

TRUMP FACEES A NUMBER OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT ALLEGATIONS.

A FRIEND OF EPSTEIN'S WHO RODE THE EXPRESS WAS BILL CLINTON.

HE WAS CLOSE TO GOING BACK TO THE WHITE HOUSE JUST TWO YEARS AGO.

>> SO WAS THEN STILL FULL-TIME HARVARD TENURED PROFESSOR ALAN DERSHOWITZ AND JUST HOW DID A GUY LIKE THAT HAVE SO MANY POWERFUL FRIENDS?

IT JUST ALWAYS -- IT NEVER CEASES TO AMIZ ME.

AMAZE ME.

WHAT IS IT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY CAN DO THESE THINGS?

HANG AROUND WITH KNOWN CHILD ABUSERS AND THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT?

>> BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT POWER.

AND ALSO SEXUAL ASSAULT AND SEXUAL CRIMES LIKE THIS.

A LOT OF THESE WERE UNDERAGE CHILD RAPES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THEY ARE NOT PARTISAN ISSUES.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN.

CLINTON OR TRUMP.

>> THERE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENCE HERE BETWEEN DERSHOWITZ AND WHO LOUDLY PROCLAIMS, YOU KNOW, SUE ME.

AND IN OTHER WAYS, DERSHOWITZ REPRESENTED EPSTEIN.

THAT MAY HAVE BEEN HIS FATAL FALL.

>> HIS FRIEND AND ON HIS LEGAL TEAM.

>> AND ON HIS LEGAL TEAM.

BUT HE IS A FAMOUS CRIMINAL LAWYER.

HE IS FAMOUS FOR REPRESENTING BAD GUYS.

SO NOW THERE IS SOMETHING OF A RETALIATION LAWSUIT AGAINST HIM FROM SOMEBODY WHO SEEMS TO HAVE SUED EVERYBODY.

FROM ISRAEL TO AMBASSADORS TO THE UNITED NATIONS.

IN ORDER FOR US TO MAINTAIN THE CREDIBILITY OF THE #METOO MOVEMENT, I THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK CLOSELY AT ALLEGATIONS AT THE ACCUSED, YES, AND AT THE ACCUSER.

PTHE LOUD PROCLAMATIONS OF HIS INNOCENCE HERE, AND MUCH MORE, A DARE YOU, AND I'M SAYING IT AGAIN, FROM ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT CRIMINAL LAWYERS IN THE COUNTRY IS SOMETHING TO WATCH HERE.

SO I'M NOT SURE I'M GOING TO PUT DERSHOWITZ AND ADD THIS DISCLAIMER.

I DO KNOW HIM.

HE WAS IN LAW SCHOOL WITH ME.

I'M NOT SURE I PUT HIM IN THE SAME CATEGORY WITH THE OTHERS GIVEN WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO, AND I SHOULD MENTION, THIS YOUNG WOMAN MAY HAVE BEEN REALLY DAMAGED.

I REALLY FEEL FOR HER.

SHE WAS TRAFFICKED WHEN SHE WAS 16 YEARS OLD.

SO SHE IS REMEMBERING WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO HER OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

SHE DOESN'T LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY ANY MORE.

SHE LIVES IN AUSTRALIA.

AND SHE MAY BE GETTING BACK AT PEOPLE SHE THINKS WERE COMING AT HER.

BUT SHE DESERVES OUR SYMPATHY.

>> YOU KNOW THAT OLD SAYING, YOU LAY WITH THE RATS ENOUGH TIMES OR SOMETHING OF THAT VARIETY.

>> YES.

>> THERE IS ANOTHER SAYING THOUGH, TOO, WHICH IS FROM SHAKESPEARE, THE LADY DOTH PROTEST.

AND I JUST REMEMBER IF THE MAN IS PROTESTING A LITTLE LOUDLY IN THIS CASE.

>> THAT IS JUST ALAN'S STYLE.

YOU HAVE KNOWN HIM FOR FAR LONGER TIME.

I DON'T PERSONALLY KNOW HIM.

BUT HAVING WATCHED HIM AND NOT BEING ACQUAINTED WITH HIS PAST, I CAN SAY THIS IS WHO HE IS.

THIS IS HOW HE COMES OUT FIGHTING AND PUNCHING BACK.

IT IS JUST UNFORTUNATE.

I'M JUST NOT REALLY SURPRISED TO SEE THE ALLEGATION.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT HASHED OUT IN A COURT OF LAW, NOT IN THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION, WHERE SOMEONE LIKE ALAN HAS A LOT OF -- HE GOT A LOT OF FACE TIME THE PAST TWO YEARS.

LET'S NOT FORGET.

>> WHO IS MORE CREDIBLE HERE?

>> CAN I TELL YOU SOMETHING?

BIRDS OF A FEATHER.

BUT ALSO, WHAT DO THE PEOPLE THAT SURROUND YOU SAY ABOUT YOU?

HE IS AT A POINT WHERE, HE FEELS SORRY FOR HIMSELF.

DO YOU REMEMBER LAST SUMMER, WHERE HE IS LIKE, I DON'T EVEN GET INVITED TO DINNER PARTIES AT MARTHA'S VINEYARD.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WOMEN'S LIVES THAT YOU HAVE RUINED AND HE IS WORRIED ABOUT HIS SOCIAL LIFE.

POINT OF PRIVILEGE.

>> THAT'S BECAUSE HE WAS REPRESENTING PEOPLE LIKE EPSTEIN.

SO THAT'S WHY I WANT TO SAY, MAKE SURE WE DON'T TAKE THE #METOO MOVEMENT THROUGH SOMETHING THAT SAYS THAT EVERY TIME THERE IS AN ALLEGATION, DERSHOWITZ REPRESENTS BAD PEOPLE.

THIS WOMAN, LET'S LOOK AT HER CREDIBILITY, AND I SAY THIS AS SOMEBODY WHO IS, AS I SAID EARLIER, WROTE THE GUIDELINES, SEXUAL HARASSMENT GUIDELINES.

BUT TO MAINTAIN CREDIBILITY, I THINK FOR ALL OF US INVOLVED, WE NEED TO SAY, WHY HAS SHE BEEN -- WHY HAS SHE BEEN ACCUSING PEOPLE IN HIGH PLACES FOR A LONG TIME.

AND THAT'S WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN A COURT OF LAW.

>> DOES THAT COST HER CREDIBILITY?

>> OF COURSE IT DOES.

THAT'S GOING TO BE BROUGHT UP.

IN A COURT OF LAW.

AND WHO IS ENCOURAGING HER TO SUE?

AND WHAT DOES SHE THINK SHE CAN GET?

>> MONEY, RIGHT.

>> IF THAT'S WHAT SHE WANTS.

>> DAMAGES.

>> I THINK IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO DISASSOCIATE DERSHOWITZ'S ROLE AS AN ATTORNEY AND ROLE AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN.

OBVIOUSLY, WE REQUIRE A ROBUST CRIMINAL DEFENSE SYSTEM IN ORDER FOR THIS COUNTRY TO FUNCHES.

ANDFUNCTION.AND YOU CAN'T MA LINE SOMEONE BECAUSE YOU CHOOSE TO SUPPORT THE WORST PEOPLE.

HARVARD IS UNDERGOING ANOTHER SCANDAL BECAUSE ONE OF THE PROFESSORS IS JOINING HARVEY WEINSTEIN'S CRIMINAL DEFENSE TEAM.

YOU CAN'T MALIGN SOMEONE FOR DOING THEIR JOB.

DEFENSE IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE CRIMINAL DEFENSE SYSTEM.

THEN THE QUESTION IS WHY WAS HE HANGING AROUND JEFFREY EPSTEIN ALL THESE YEARS?

>> MAYBE BECAUSE HE WAS REPRESENTING HIM.

>> BUT IN A FRIENDLY CAPACITY?

HE ALLEGES THAT HE RECEIVED ONLY A MASSAGE, IN EPSTEIN'S ESTATE.

THAT SOUNDS SKETCHY.

AGAIN, WE BELIEVE IN ASSEMBLANCE OF DUE PROCESS, EVEN IN THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION.

AND WHEN YOU WEIGH THE PUBLIC ALLEGATIONS, WE WANT THERE TO BE THE PREPOND RANDS OF EVIDENCE THAT MUST BE ACHIEVED BEFORE WE BELIEVE ALL WOMEN.

THAT'S A HACK NEED WAY THAT CHEAPENS OUR PERCEPTION OF JUSTICE.

BUT IT IS WORTH CONSIDERING.

YOU KNOW, HE SUBMITTED -- HE SAYS THAT HE SUBMITTED EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE TO THE MIAMI"MIAMI HERALD."

>> CREDIT CARDS, TRAVEL RECORDS, SHOWING HE WASN'T EVEN IN THE PLACE WHERE SHE SAID HE WAS.

>> BUT THESE HAVEN'T BEEN MADE PUBLIC AND HE DIDN'T ALLOW THE "MIAMI HERALD" TO KEEP ANY OF THE SO-CALLED EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE.

I THINK IF WE SEE IT AND IF IT CHECKS OUT AND YOU KNOW, THAT PROBABLY MEANS THAT THIS ALLEGATION AGAINST HIM WOULD NOT MEET THE PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE AND YOU ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

>> WHY ARE WE SCRUTINIZING THIS WOMAN AND HER PAST AND NOT DERSHOWITZ?

ISN'T THAT AGAINST THE POINT OF #METOO?

>> BECAUSE THEY WILL LOOK AT BOTH AND DERSHOWITZ HAS A REPUTATION FOR REPRESENTING VERY BAD PEOPLE.

SO IT IS IMPORTANT TO SAY, WELL WHAT -- WHY WOULD SHE BE DOING THIS?

AND WHY WOULD SHE BE DOING THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

THIS IS WHY I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC.

THIS WOMAN HAS NOT ONLY BEEN TRAFFICKED, BUT SHE HAS BEEN ABUSED.

ON THE OTHER HAND -- >> ARE YOU STAYING THIS HAS LED TO MENTAL INSTABILITY?

>> AND WHY WOULD SHE ACCUSE SO MANY MEN IN HIGH PLACES OF ABUSING HER?

THAT IS -- >> MAYBE BECAUSE JEFFREY EPSTEIN WAS BRINGING THEM THROUGH.

>> THE PRIME MINISTER OF ISRAEL?

GIVE ME A BREAK.

>> NETANYAHU?

>> CRIMINAL.

>> AND IF THIS DOESN'T GO WELL, A GUY LIKE DERSHOWITZ STAPPEDZ STANDS TO UNDERMINE THE ENTIRE MOVEMENT BECAUSE OF HIS PLACE.

SO I REALLY, I'M WORRIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT WASN'T TOO LONG AGO WE LEARNED ABOUT ROBERT CRAFT AND THIS JUPITER, FLORIDA DEBACLE.

THERE IS A LOT GOING ON.

>> AND THE OWNER OF MAMA SAJ PARLORMASSAGEPARLOR HAD PICTURES WITH SO MANY FAMOUS PEOPLE.

>> LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

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>>> FROM SEX TRAFFICKING TO CIVIL RIGHTS ABUSES.

THE SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER OR SPLC, CIVIL RIGHTS AND ARBITER OF HATE SPEECH FOR DECADES, IS IN CRISIS.

THE NORG ORGANIZATION THAT CITED HUNDREDS IS SUPPORTING A TOXIC WORKPLACE CULTURE THAT UNDERPAID MERAFRICAN-AMERICAN STAFF AND HAD A SKETCHY REPRESENTATION ON HARASSMENT.

LAST MONTH FIRING ITS PRESIDENT.

THE BOARD PROMOTED ONE OF ITS MEMBERS, AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN NAMES KAREN BANES DONING AS INTERIM PRESIDENT.

WE MADE REPEATED REQUESTS TO INTERVIEW HER FOR THIS STORY AND WERE TURNED DOWN.

THE SPLC CITED MY WORK ON ITS WEBSITE THREE TIMES AS WELL AS ON TWITTER FOR SUCH THINGS AS INTERVIEWING ANTI-IMMIGRATION ADVOCATES.

WE ALWAYS BALANCE OUR COVERAGE WITH ADVOCATES FOR OPEN IMMIGRATION.

SO TIANA, THE SPLC IS THE ONE THAT MOST OF THE MEDIA, LIBERAL AND CONSERVATIVE, BUT MORE LIBERAL GO TO TO FIND OUT WHOSE IDENTIFIED AS A HATE GROUP.

MEANWHILE THEY ARE RUNNING WHAT HAS BEEN REFERRED TO AS PLANTATION MENTALITY WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION.

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

>> SO MANY PEOPLE OF THE SPLC HAVE MALIGNES.

THEY MADE A MUSLIM REFORMER, AN ANTI-MUSLIM EXTREMIST, THEY ACCUSE BEN CARSON OF BEING A SYMBOL OF HATE.

AND I THINK THIS IS JUST SORT OF THE CHICKEN IS COMING HOME TO ROOST.

THEY SAY THEY ARE CLEANING HOUSE RIGHT NOW AND WHO IS THE PERSON THEY HIRED TO TAKE OVER.

THEY HIRED TINA CHEN, MICHELLE OBAMA'S FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF.

>> SHE IS GONE NOW.

AND I BELIEVE THE WOMAN THEY JUST, THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN THEY JUST APPOINTED FROM THEIR BOARD, IS THAT GOING TO LEAD TO REAL CHANGE OR IS SHE A FIGURE HEAD?

>> I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THEY KEEP ON SORT OF, REHASHING OUT THE SAME MISTAKES THEY KEEP ON CHOOSING FIGURES WHO ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE LEAST CORRUPT PEOPLE TO POSSIBLY MANAGE IT.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK THOSE WHO POINT FINGERS ARE THE ONES WITH THE MOST GRIEVANCES IN-HOUSE.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE SEEING WITH SPLC, I THINK.

>> UNLIKE THE DERSHOWITZ, LIKE THERE ARE TWO SIDES, THERE IS NOT TWO SIDES HERE.

COHEN RESIGNED, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,.

DEES RESIGNED.

THAT IS TO SAY THEY WERE GOING AFTER PEOPLE FOR SEXUAL HARASSMENT, RACIAL DISCRIMINATION.

DOING THE SAME THINGS IN-HOUSE.

A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE STORY.

BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE HYPOCRISY OR PUTS THEIR ORGANIZATION UNDER THE LIGHT OF HYPOCRISY AND THEREFORE HURTS THE ORGANIZATION, WHICH HAS BEEN GROWING NOW FOR 50 YEARS OR SO.

YES, IT HAD A LOT OF CREDIBILITY, CREDIBILITY WITH THE PRESS.

IT HAD CREDIBILITY WITH AMERICANS AND GOOD CREDIBILITY.

ALL OF THAT IS UNDERLINED.

>> IN THE 1990s, THE MONTGOMERY ADVERTISER, THEIR LOCAL NEWSPAPER, DID A PULITZER PRIZE WINNING SERIES TALKING ABOUT JUST WHAT'S COMING OUT NOW AGAIN AND THAT TOPPLE FINALLY THESE, AT 82, WAS PUT OUT TO PASTPASTURE, SO TO SPEAK.

BUT THESE ARE NOT NEW ALLEGATIONS.

WHAT TOOK SO LONG?

>> IT IS A MOMENT WHERE TECHNOLOGY HAS SHED LIGHT ON A GREAT MANY THINGS AND PEOPLE FEEL EMPOWERED TO COME OUT.

WHETHER MOVEMENTS LIKE #METOO AND PARTICULARLY WOMEN OF COLOR IT FEEL SAFER AND BELIEVE.

OF COURSE.

HERE IS THE THING, I JUST BELIEVE THIS WAS AWFUL LEADERSHIP ALL AROUND.

AND THE WAY IN WHICH THEY ARE GOING ABOUT IT NOW, TRIPPING OVER THEIR OWN TWO FEET, WHICH IS A SHAME.

FOR 15 YEARS I LOOKED AT THEM AS SORT OF A BEACON OF LIGHT.

THAT THE POWER THERE.

THE WORK NOW, ALL OF THIS GREAT WORK OF ALL THESE YEARS, WHERE HAS IT ALL GONE?

BUT THESE WOMEN HAVE BEEN WRONGED.

>> A LOT OF IT, AS TIANA POINTED OUT, WAS NOT GREAT WORK.

WHO DO THE MEDIA TURN TO NOW?

>> THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.

COMPLETELY.

>> YEAH.

YOU LOOK FOR AN ORGANIZATION THAT NOT ONLY HAS CREDIBILITY BUT HAS A BIKE OF INFORMATION AND I HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING A REPLACEMENT AND I THINK THEY -- >> ACLU MAYBE COULD STEP INTO THAT?

>> IT IS VERY HARD BECAUSE ACLU IS MULTIFACETED.

>> HUGE.

>> IT IS MULTIFACETED IN ITS INTEREST WHERE THESE PEOPLE FOCUS RIGHT ON THE THINGS THAT THE PRESS IS MOST INTERESTED IN AND HAS THE EXPERTISE.

>> AS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS, THEY ADD BANK ROLL OF ALMOST A HALF BILLION DOLLARS BECAUSE HE DID NOTHING BUT HARD SELL, HARD SELL DONATIONS ALL -- FUND RAISE, FUND RAISE, ALL THE TIME.

ABUSING HIS C3 STATUS, WHICH THE IRS IS NOW LOOKING INTO.

THAT HALF BILLION DOLLARS, SHOULD IT BE -- SHOULD THE IRS ALLOW THEM TO USE IT TO REBUILD THEIR REPUTATION?

THAT'S A HECK OF A LOT OF PUBLICITY YOU CAN BUY FOR HALF BILLION DOLLARS IT MAKE YOURSELF LOOK GOOD AGAIN.

OR SHOULD THE MONEY GO TO AFRICAN -- THE PEOPLE THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY SET UP TO SERVE, LOW INCOME AFRICAN AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN ALABAMA AND THE DEEP SOUTH WHO NEED IT.

>> ONLY WAY IT GET AT THEIR RICHES IS FOR SOMEONE TO SUE THEM.

THE IRS DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

SOMEONE HAS IT SUE THEM.

THEY WILL HAVE TO PAY.

AND THAT'S WHERE THAT MONEY WILL COME FROM.

NOW WHO IS GOING TO SUE?

THAT'S INTERESTING.

I'M NOT SURE I SEE PLAINTIFFS IN THIS MATTER.

THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT EVEN MORE -- >> THE NEWS IS SO HEART BREAKING TO ME.

AND ESPECIALLY MEDIA.

THEY HAVE DONE SUCH GREAT WORK.

THE REPORTS ARE ALWAYS CITED.

AND YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY THE WORK WITH HATE CRIMES, WHICH HAVE BEEN INCREASING SINCE TRUMP TOOK OFFICE.

I JUST FEEL LIKE ANY TIME YOU SITE THEM NOW, YOU ARE LIKE, YOU'RE DISCREDITED AND THEY ARE TOO.

THE WHOLE THING IS VERY SUBTLE.

>> BEHIND THE HEADLINES.

U.S. IS ROLLING, HALTING SPREAD OF HIV IN AFRICA.

RECENTLY A GROUP OF YOUNG AFRICAN WOMEN ADVOCATES AND HEALTH WORKERS WERE IN THE U.S. TO PROMOTE THEIR SUCCESSES AND OUTLINE THEIR CHALLENGES.

>> AN EMPOWERED YOUNG WOMAN WORKING TOWARDS AN AIDS FREE GENERATION.

>> THESE WOMEN ARE FROM TANZANIA, MALAWI AND SIM ZIMBABWE.

CHANGE IN EQUITY BROUGHT THEM TO THE U WITH THE GOAL OF EXPLAINING THE IMPORTANCE OF HIV PREVENTION PROGRAMS IN THEIR COUNTRIES THAT DEPEND ON U.S. FUNDING.

>> THESE ADVOCATES WORKS AT PROVIDING PRETENSION TORE FOR YOUNG WOMEN AND ADOLESCENT GIRLS.

SOMETHING THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS DOING WONDERFUL WORK ON EXPANDING ACCESS TO SERVICES.

>> WE ARE ASKING YOU TO SCALE IT UP.

WE ARE ASKING YOU TO EXPOND THE EXPAND THE PROGRAM BEYOND YOUNG GIRLS AND YOUNG WOMEN AND FOCUS ONIONING MEN AND BOYES.

>> DREAMS IS A PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP CREDITED WITH PRODUCING 25 25 TO 40% DECLINE IN NEW HIV IP FEKSES.

INFECTIONS.

THAT AMONG THE COMMUNITY OF ADOLESCENT GIRLS AND YOUNG WOMEN IN AFRICA.

BUT IT REMAINS A MAJOR PROBLEMS.

FOR EXAMPLE, IN ZIMBABWE, 1.4 MILLION PEOPLE ARE LIVING WITH HIV.

>> WE SEE WAY MORE.

IT IS SUCH A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF GIRLS AND YOUNG WOMEN HOLD THAT STATISTIC.

IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM FOR US.

MORE AND MORE WE SEE WITHIN PROGRAMS THAT WE THINK TO BE MOVING FAR FROM PREVENTION AND MORE TO CURING TREATMENT.

>> TO MAKE THEIR POINT, THE YOUNG WOMEN SHARE PERSONAL STORIES ABOUT PREVENTION AND RESISTANCE DUE TO CULTURAL NORMS.

>> I HAVE SEEN MYSELF HAVING DIFFERENT NEEDS IN DEFER DIFFERENT PHASES OF MY LIFE.

YOU GET TO ANOTHER POINT IN LIFE WHERE CONDOMS REALLY COULD WORK FOR YOU.

AS A YOUNG WOMAN, MAYBE IT IS DIFFICULT FOR ME TO NEGOTIATE WITH ANOTHER PERSON ON THE USE OF CONDOMS.

>> YOUNG WOMEN TODAY DO NOT CHOOSE WHEN THEY HAVE SEX OR AT TIMES WITH WHO.

WE NEED DISCRETE OPTIONS AND SELF-INITIATED HIV PREVENTION METHODS THAT DO NOT FORCE OUR YOUNG WOMEN TO BE CAUGHT UP IN THESE NEGOTIATIONS.

>> ADVOCATES LOBBY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ON CAPITOL HILL STRESSING GLOBAL HEALTH.

>> WE LOOK TO CONGRESS TO FILL IN THE GAP IN MAKING SURE THAT OUR, WHEN IT COMES TO GLOBAL HEALTH, THIS IS SUCH A SMALL PORTION OF THE U.S. BUDGET.

>> WHILE THE YOUNG WOMEN TOLD THEIR STORIES, WHAT THEY DIDN'T OR COULDN'T SPEAK ABOUT WAS ALSO STRIKING.

THE SO NAMED GLOBAL GAG RULE.

BARS THEM FROM EVEN EXPLAINING RESTRICTIONS ON HOW THEY CAN USE THE FUNDS AND IMPACT ON THEIR WORK.

THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION REINSTATED THE GAG RULE THAT BLOCKS FUNDING TO ANY ORGANIZATION THAT PROVIDES ABORTION SERVICES OR REFERRALS OR EVEN SPEAKS ABOUT ABORTION.

>> THE DATA SHOWS THAT AN INTEGRATED APPROACH TO SEXUAL REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH IS AN EFACTIVEEFFECTIVEWAY TO MAKE HIV PREVENTION WORK EFFECTIVE.

EVEN PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH HAD A MEMORANDUM EXEMPTING AIDS PROGRAM BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT ON HIV PROGRAMS.

>> AND WOMEN COULD NOT EXPLAIN HOW THE GLOBAL GAG RULE EFFECT THEM.

>> THE GLOBAL GAG RULE AND IN MEXICO CITY POLICY IS ASK AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF POLICY THAT IS IMPLEMENTED OVERSEAS AND IT WAS SO IRONIC DURING THE COURSE OF THIS, DURING THE PANEL THAT ANY TIME GIRLS WERE ASKED, YOUNG WOMEN WERE ASKED, SPIFNG SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE POLICY, THEY COULDN'T SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY WOULD RISK THEMSELVES FROM LOSING NOT ONLY U.S. FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE BUT ALSO TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE LIKE COMPUTERS AND SONOGRAM MACHINES AND IT WAS SO POWERFUL BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE LIVING IN AMERICA AND AMERICANS, THEY ARE ALWAYS LIKE, WHY DO WE HAVE TO GIVE THIS MUCH FOREIGN AID?

1% OF THE TRILLION DOLLAR BUDGET.

WE ARE STUCK IN WASHINGTON WHERE A LOT OF POLICIES ARE MADE HERE IN CAPITOL HILL.

BUT THE HEALTH AND RIGHTS OF WOMEN AND GIRLS AROUND THE WORLD AND IT WAS SO POWERFUL TO HEAR THESE WOMEN TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT IT IS HAVING ON THEIR LIVES, ON THE LIVES OF THEIR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND IT ALSO SHOWS YOU, I MEAN, THERE IS A HUGE POWER THAT COMES WITH BEING A LEAD ARE IN GLOBAL HEALTH.

>> SOMETIMES I WONDER WHY THIS PRESIDENT SEEMS TO HAVE IT SO IN FOR WOMEN.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT ABORTION.

AND YET, HE IS CUTTING, YOU KNOW, 1% OF THE BUDGET, YOU WANT IT CUT SOMETHING, CUT U.S. SOCIAL SERVICES, CUT DEFENSE SPENDING, WHICH OF COURSE HE IS DOUBLING OR TRIPLING IT.

BUT YOU WANT TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE BUDGET, CUT SOMETHING BIG.

>> THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT LONG-TERM BUDGET PROJECTIONS ARE SOCIAL SECURITY MEDICARE MEDICAID.

THAT'S WITHOUT A DOUBT, IF YOU LOOK AT DEFENSE SPENDING IT PLATEAUS, FOREIGN AID PLATEAUS, SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, MEDICAID WILL EXPLODE AND SOCIAL SECURITY IS SOLVENT WITHIN THE NEXT 15 YEARS.

I THINK GIVEN THE EXTREMELY POSITIVE RLI, NOT JUST IN TERMS OF DOLLARS AND CENTS, BUT HUMAN LIVES WITH OUR FOREIGN SPENDING -- >> RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

>> YEAH.

JUST GIVEN THAT, IF TRUMP WANTS IT FOCUS ON THE IDEA OF AMERICAN TAXPAYERS NOT FUNDING ABORTIONS, WHICH YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IT JUSTIFIES THE NOTION OF RELIGIOUS LIBERTY, THE EFFORT COULD BE BETTER SPENT REDIRECTING TOWARDS TITLE 10 BECAUSE IT IS AN EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE PROGRAM.

FOR EVERY ONE DOLLAR TAXPAYERS SPEND WE GET BACK SEVEN BECAUSE WE ARE HELPING WOMEN MAKE GOOD CHOICES BEFORE CONCEPTION.

>> WE GIVE BACK TO MUCH MORE THAN THAT.

THREE YEARS AGO WAYS IN ETHIOPIA SHOOTING A DOCUMENTARY ON ORPHANAGES THERE.

AND PRESIDENT BUSH, GEORGE W., HIS PICTURE WAS ALL OVER THE PLACE, NAME ALL OVER THE PLACE, BECAUSE OF USA SPTS IDID FUNDING TO PREVENT HIV DRUGS FOR FREE TO THAT IMPOVERISHED NATION.

AND CHINA IS OUT THERE IN AFRICA GIVING MONEY AWAY TO ALL THESE COUNTRIES AND THEY HAVE COMPLETELY AND GOTTEN OUT AHEAD OF US AND IN TERMS OF A MAJOR INFLUENCE THERE AND THIS IS ONE MORE WAY THAT WE ARE GOING TO LOSE STANDING IN VERY IMPORTANT DEVELOPMENT COUNTRIES.

>> LOOK AT THIS AS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF FOREIGN POLICY.

>> YES.

>> AT A TIME WHEN WE VIRTUALLY ARE TO THE POINT WHERE WE MAY HAVE A CURE FOR HIV AIDS AND THESE PEOPLE ARE SO FAR BEHIND THAT THE MONEY THAT IS CUT OFF HERE IS PARTICULARLY SHAMEFUL BECAUSE IT COULD BRING US BACK SO MUCH OF FUNDS AND SO MUCH IN GOODWILL.

>> THE PENDULUM HAS SWUNG BACK.

THAT'S A SHAME.

WE REALLY NEED TO BE HELPING AND GET CREATIVE.

LIKE ONE OF THE YOUNG WOMEN WAS TALKING ABOUT FROM ZIMBABWE.

GET CREATIVE WITH BOYS AND MEN.

CHANGE THE CULTURAL NORMS.

IT SEEMS COUNTER INTUITIVE.

I WISH THIS ADMINISTRATION WOULD TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK AND GO BACK IT BUSH'S POLICY.

>> AND IT IS NOT PARTISAN.

>> IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE.

>> JORNLGTGEORGE W. BUSH WAS A HERO ON THIS POLICY.

>> LET'S MAKE NO MISTAKE.

MIC PENCE IS PUSHING THIS ENVELOPE.

>> THAT'S IT FOR THIS EDITION.

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