>> A film covering a deadly Chicago police shooting is up for an Oscar.

It's about her reef Augustus.

The 37 year-old Barber who was shot and killed by police in South Shore in July 2018.

The shooting sparked immediate public outcry and legal fights for full access to police body cam video that released footage is now a documentary called Incident which retails Augustus says Death and explores how cameras affect police behavior.

Joining us now with more are the film's director Bill Morrison and Jamie Calvin co-producer of the film and executive director of the Invisible Institute, a journalism nonprofit.

Welcome.

Welcome back to you both.

Thank you.

So this film, as we mentioned, uses a variety body cam dash cam and security footage to sort piece together what happened to her refocused U.S. Bill, starting with you first, how to all of these pieces sort of fit together to tell the narrative.

>> We started with what's called the PRD, the police observation device.

gets sort of the wide shot and you see the event take place a police stop.

And this man falling onto the ground.

It's at that point that the audio kicks in, which is from one of the body-worn cameras and what we hear is police shot shots fired at the police and then the officer corrects himself Stammers and tells his commander that he shot this man and that he had pointed a gun at him from there.

We take a variety of different sources to piece together what actually happened, which was that the heads, wreath Augustus was armed, but his gun remained in its holster the whole time.

That's clearly seen.

And we see this narrative that's adopted by the police that he had taken a gun out and pointed it at the officers in broad daylight.

That's just not true.

He was armed.

And you also showing the film that he have the right to be armed.

He was a FOID.

>> Full firearm identification or owner identification card.

Holder.

Jamie, how was getting access to the video this time different from McDonald several years before than the climate Donald case.

You know, after the video was released and the sort of political earthquake, the city adopted one of the first major reforms was a policy that.

And incidents of this nature video.

Another.

>> Related evidence would be released within 60 days of the incident and COVID complied with that requirement.

In this case, the civilian office this.

really is because of oversight.

But the the one thing that was really striking by contrast to the Kron McDonald, remember, it was 13 months from the incident to the release of the video with the building public campaign legal challenges we all reported on it.

In this case in less than 24 hours.

Superintendent of police released a snippet of edited video for the purpose of showing that Mr. Augustus had a gun.

There had been, you know, demonstrations and turbulence in the South Shore neighborhood where it occurred.

And so there was this activity kind of.

False transparency.

>> can attempt to shape the narrative show how so such a striking contrast with the Laquan McDonald incident.

Litigation was initiated Freedom of Information Act requests for all of the video and over time bit by bit came out.

So ultimately we got all of the video of all of the officers present in the incident and the aftermath on added which was really the basis for the film.

So nobody has ever seen in such a complete global immersive way.

One of the so many perspectives on to the documentary.

Police are very aware that they're being recorded not becomes clear.

Here's a little bit of >> And there's a couple of other moments in the film as well where you hear officers talking to each other and saying don't say anything while this camera is on still before those cameras get cut.

>> Jamie, how does the use of body cameras impact police behavior in bill?

>> Yes, so it's always fascinated me that there's a sense in which now please kind of perform for the camera.

They're aware of the cameras.

They alert each other to the fact that they're on camera.

But then they actually keep talking.

So, you know, think body cameras to some degree act as a deterrent.

You know, not on the initial prime necessarily, but you know what the film shows in great granular detail is how the official narrative forms almost the moment the body hits the ground.

So, you know, right away, principal officers involved are in a kind of call and response saying, you know, he had a gun.

I had to shoot to explain to You saved us, you know, back and Any kind of traumatized, I think all but historical way in less than a minute.

You know, sort of dithering exchange terms into the official narrative when a sergeant shows up on the scene, what happened?

He pulled a gun on us.

I had to shoot and there are civilian witnesses who are never interviewed.

I mean, you've direct unimpeded view of what happened.

They're told, get out of here, get behind the the caution, baby.

Yes, you know, sue the film to serve, shows granular process of the narrative for Maine.

Bill, how does this film it get to that point?

How does this give us a sense of how CPD and those officers were functioning in that aftermath?

>> Well, it seems pretty chaotic grade.

I there is always there was a telling exchange between the 2 officers Officer Holley essence partner Officer Fleming.

>> Was there a gun?

And she says, yes, officer, Howie, being that the officer who fired on upcoming being his partner, his partner, was there a gun issue response?

Yes.

And how the week can we get the gun?

And she says yes.

And then he makes e enormous leap.

Why did you have to point a gun straight at us which you know, it, shows that this narrative was So made up.

Wholesale on on the spot and then it's sort of spreads throughout without anybody doing any investigation.

As Jamie said, nobody does police work.

There are eyewitnesses.

None of them are interviewed.

It seems to be the the entire protocol was just to cordon off the area and removed the corpse as soon as possible.

And of course, we know theres a lot of work, of course, around the police department.

The consent decree only being 9% compliant to address.

>> Training and discipline in these instances.

And sadly, we don't have time to get into all of that.

But I do want to ask because you've been showing this film quite a bit since you've been working on it and you've heard from her read the justices family about it, bill, what they said, yeah, we've had 2 screens here in Chicago, one as part of Chicago Humanities Festival in November of 2023.

>> And after the screening wreaths, mother stood up and said now the world can see what happened to my son.

And we feel strongly that this film gives her and the family narrative, justice in place the justice, any justice provided through the legal system.

Jamie, 10 seconds.

What you want people to take away from this.

What you wanted to add to the conversation?

You know, I think this is film that >> stands in for all sorts of other incidents where the police please conduct as produced the moment when officers choose to use deadly force.

This was not an incident where Mr. Augustus.

Provoked the violence.

>> Yeah, I watched the film.

I've seen it.

definitely something to watch.

Best of luck to the 2 of you at the Oscars.

Thank you for joining us.

The more Sun Engine.

Calvin, thank you.

Very thank you.

And incident is nominated for an Academy Award in the documentary short film