>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, A LOOK AT THE CASE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP HAS HE IS SET TO BE ARRAIGNED IN NEW YORK.

TONIGHT, FALLOUT OVER A COURT ORDER AGAINST PHOENIX TO CLEAN UP THE ENCAMPMENT AND THE F.D.A.

APPROVING OVER-THE-COUNTER OF AN OPIOID TREATMENT DRUG.

THAT'S NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

WELCOME.

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP ARRIVED IN NEW YORK WHERE HE IS SET TO SURRENDER ALLEGING THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO A PORN STAR PRIOR TO THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

IT'S LIKELY TO ATTRACT PROTESTERS AND THEY SAY THE CITY IS PREPARED TO KEEP THINGS SAFE AND ORDERLY.

>> NEW YORK CITY AS ALWAYS WILL BE PREPARED.

THE NYPD AND OUR ENTIRE PUBLIC SAFETY APPARATUS ARE ALWAYS PREPARED.

WE ARE WORKING CLOSELY WITH ALL OF OUR PARTNERS TO ENSURE EVERYONE'S SAFETY TOMORROW AND WE ARE ASKING FOR THE PUBLIC'S HELP IN MAINTAINING A SAFE, ORDERLY ENVIRONMENT THAT ALLOWS NEW YORKERS TO CONTINUE THEIR DAY-TO-DAY LIVES WITH MINIMUM INTERRUPTION.

>> Ted: NEW YORK'S MAYOR HAD A MESSAGE OF THOSE THINKING TO HEAD TO HIS CITY FOR THE BOOKING.

>> WHILE THERE MAY BE SOME REBEL ROUSERS, IT'S CLEAR AND SIMPLE, CONTROL YOURSELVES.

NEW YORK CITY IS OUR HOME, NOT A PLAYGROUND FOR YOUR MISPLACED ANGER.

>> Ted: MAJORITY AGREE TO INDICT TRUMP AND 60% SAID THEY'RE IN FAVOR TO CHARGE TRUMP FOR HOW THE HUSH MANY PAYMENTS WERE PAID AND THAT INCLUDES 94% FOR DEMOCRATS AND 62 FOR INDEPENDENTS AND 21% FOR REPUBLICANS.

AND 67% OF ALL RESPONDENTS SAYS POLITICS PLAYED SOME ROLE TO INDICT AND WE'LL TAKE A CLOSER LOOK IN JUST A MOMENT.

>>> A COUPLE OF HEALTH NOTES, A COVID NASAL VACCINE TO PROVIDE SICKNESS IN ANIMAL TESTING AND AFTER TWO DOSES, THE VIRUS WAS NOT FOUND IN THE ANIMAL'S UPPER AIRWAYS AND THE OVERALL RESPONSE WAS STRONGER THAN THE MRNA VACCINE INTERESTS AND THERE ARE SEVERAL MORE HURDLELES FOR USE IN PEOPLE BUT RESEARCHERS ARE ENCOURAGED BY THE TEST RESULTS.

>>> THERE'S A NEW NATIONAL PLAN TO REDUCE CANCER DEATHS.

FEDERAL HEALTH OFFICIALS ROLLED THE PLAN OUT TODAY WITH GOALS INVOLVING BETTER DETECTION AND ELIMINATEING INEQUITIES AND THIS IS A CANCER MOONSHOT GOALS TO CUT THE CANCER DEATH RATE IN HALF IN 25 YEARS.

>>> AS WE MENTIONED, FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP IS EXPECTED TO BE ARRAIGNED ON HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS AND THE FIRST TIME THAT A CURRENT OR FORMER PRESIDENT WILL FACE CRIMINAL CHARGES.

PAUL CHARLTON IS HERE TO HELP EXPLAIN THE CASE AGAINST THE FORMER PRESIDENT.

YOU'RE A GO-TO GO AND WE'VE NEVER HAD STUFF LIKE THIS.

I MEAN, THIS BASICALLY IS LOOKING AT BUSINESS RECORDS.

EVERYONE LOOKS AT HUSH MONEY BUT THIS IS THE BUSINESS RECORDS.

>> THE HUSH MONEY IN AND OF ITSELF IS NOT A CRIME.

HOW IT IS YOU RECORD THAT PAYMENT CAN BE A MIDST MISDEMEANOR AND THIS IS ATTACHING TO THAT, LET'S CALL IT LOGGING OF PAYMENT AND SOME KIND OF A FRAUD AND MISREPRESENTATION, PERHAPS, THE WAY IN WHICH HE REPRESENTED HOW IT IS AND WHETHER OR NOT THESE WERE ELECTION-RELATED FUNDS AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN RECORDED IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

WE'LL KNOW TOMORROW MUCH MORE WHEN IT'S UNSEALED.

HUSH MONEY NOT A CRIME AND IT'S THE OTHER ACTIONS, THE COVERING UP OF WHAT OCCURRED THAT MAY BE THE CRIME.

>> Ted: THE TESTIMONY OF MICHAEL COHEN AND A SHELL COMPANY THAT PAID HIM OFF AFTER HE PAID OFF THE ALLEGED PAYOFF TO THE PORN STAR.

THAT ALL FACTORS IN, DOES IT NOT?

>> Mr. COHEN PLED GUILTY THAT CALLS INTO QUESTION HIS CENT AND THIS IS MISREPRESENTATION WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT HURDLE IF THEY PLAN TO USE Mr. COHEN HAS A CHIEF WITNESS AND THEY'LL FIND EVIDENCE THAT DOESN'T LINE WHICH IS TO SAY DOCUMENTS AND CHECKS, EMAILS AND WRITINGS, RECORDINGS THAT WILL SUPPORT WHAT IT IS Mr. COHEN SAID OCCURRED IN AN ATTEMPT TO COVER UP THE PAYMENT OF THE HUSH MONEY.

>> Ted: WHAT MICHAEL COHEN AGREED TO, THE PLEA OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, WHATEVER HE DID THAT WOUND UP IN PUNISHMENT OR SERVING TIME, IS THAT NOT THE SAME OR IS IT -- I MEAN, IF IT'S BAD FOR HIM, SIT NOT BAD FOR DONALD TRUMP.

>> THAT'S THE ARGUMENT THAT ALL PEOPLE SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME, ALL CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES, WHETHER YOU'RE A FORMER PRESIDENT OR ORDINARY CITIZEN SHOULD BE TREATED EXACTLY THE SAME.

THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT SAME COIN, IF YOU WILL, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE WHEN IT'S A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

WHEN THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS INVESTIGATED AND HERE PROSECUTED BY A LOWER LOCAL PROSECUTOR, THAT POLITICS PLAYS A ROLE AND NOT WHETHER OR NOT FORMER PRESIDENT IS GUILTY OR GAINING POLITICALLY.

>> Ted: ONE LAST THING, IF MICHAEL COHEN IS CONVICTED OF X AND SERVES HIS TIME OF X AND DONALD TRUMP IS ACCUSED OF X, DOES NOT THE INDICTMENT MAKE SENSE IF THE OTHER GUY AS.

IS CONVICTED AND SERVED TIME?

>> IT CAN BE AND IF THE ARGUMENT YOU'LL HEAR PUBLICALLY AND DOESN'T FIT IN THE COURT OF LAW AND MUCH OF WHAT WE WILL HEAR ARE ARGUMENTS OUT HERE AND HIS LAWYERS ARE MAKING STATEMENTS AND ON TALK SHOWS WE WILL NEVER HERE INHEAR IN COURT AND THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT Mr. TRUMP IS FACING AND THEY CALL THEM DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.

THE CHARGES WILL BE DIFFERENT IN THAT REGARD VERSUS FEDERAL CHARGES.

MANY OF THE ARGUMENTS YOU'RE HEARING AND THAT WE ALL HEAR FIT NICELY INTO A POLITICAL DISCUSSION AND NOT AS WELL WHEN YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GET IN FRONT OF A JURY AND MAKE A LEGAL DEFENSE.

>> Ted: WE'RE AND THING SOME FELONIES TOMORROW, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT.

>> Ted: FROM A DISTANCE AND BIG DISTANCE, DOES THIS CONSTITUTE A FELONY OR MISDEMEANOR AND PRO-TRUMPS ARE SAYING A MISDEMEANOR AND NOT FELONY.

>> PRO TRUMP ARE SAYING A POLITICAL PERSECUTION AND ONLY PROSECUTED BECAUSE OF HIS POLITICAL POINT OF VIEW.

THEY THINK.

AN OPPORTUNITY FORTHIS IS POLITICALFAME AS ACHIEVED A JUST OUTCOME.

ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT COIN, WE CAN'T TREAT AND WE OUGHT NOT TO TREAT ANY INDIVIDUAL, ANY AMERICAN ANY DIFFERENTLY AND ALL BE EQUAL UNDER THE LAW.

>> Ted: DOES IT SOUND TO YOU AND THIS HAS BEEN DESCRIBED AS AN UNUSUAL AND RISKY PROSECUTION.

DOES IT SOUND TOW TO YOU IT HITS THAT LEVEL?

>> WE WON'T KNOW WHAT EVIDENCE THERE MAY BE THAT SUPPORTS THREE ACCUSATIONS.

HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE THIS LOCAL PROSECUTOR HAS BROUGHT TO BEAR APART FROM WHAT THE FEDERAL PROSECUTORS HAD WHEN THEY PROSECUTE Mr. COHEN.

WE'LL KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THAT IN GREATER DETAIL TOMORROW.

HERE IS WHAT WE CAN SAY.

THERE ARE OTHER INVESTIGATIONS IN THE WINGS.

THAT CARRY GREATER WEIGHT.

WE KNOW THERE'S AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION THAT RELATES TO HOW IT IS FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS KEEPING CLASSIFIED INFORMATION AND WHETHER OR NOT HE OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE WHEN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE SOUGHT TO REGAIN AND TO PLACE THOSE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTED IN DOCUMENTS IN A SAFE PLACE AND THAT'S A MUCH MORE WEIGHTY ISSUE AND INVESTIGATIONS TAKING PLACE IN GEORGIA THAT RELATE TO THE ATTEMPTS TO OVERTURN THE ELECTIONS AS IT RELATES TO GEORGIA.

THERE ARE OTHER THAT COULD TURN INTO PROSECUTIONS.

IF THAT OCCURS, THERE'S GREATER SIGNIFICANCE THAN WHAT WILL OCCUR TOMORROW.

>> Ted: WHAT WILL OCCUR TOMORROW IS SIGNIFICANT AND DOES IT LEAVE FUTURE PRESIDENTS VULNERABLE?

>> IT'S A VERY COMPELLING QUESTION BECAUSE WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME ANY FORMER PRESIDENT HAS EVER BEEN CHARGED WITH A CRIME.

IF THERE IS A NEXT TIME, IF THERE IS A SUBSEQUENT PRESIDENT INVESTIGATED BY A LOCAL PROSECUTOR, THAT QUESTION, THAT RESERVATION THAT PERHAPS HESITATION TO BRING AN INVESTIGATION AND CHARGES AGAINST A FORMER PRESIDENT WILL BE DIMINISHED TO SOME DEGREE.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN AT THE END OF THE DAY THERE WON'T BE A JUST OUTCOME AND SOMEWHAT EASIER TO CONSIDER BRINGING CHARGES AGAINST A FORMER PRESIDENT IN THE FUTURE.

>> Ted: AS A PRE-RUE FOR PREVIEW FOR TOMORROW, MUGSHOTS, ANKLE BRACELETS AND JAIL TIME?

>> IT'S HARD TO TELL BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A UNIQUE SITUATION.

WHETHER OR NOT YOU TAKE A MUGSHOTS AND WE'RE NOT CERTAIN WHO THE DEFENDANT IS.

WE CERTAINLY KNOW WHO THE DEFENDANT IS IN THIS INSTANCE.

AGAIN, IS IT APPROPRIATE NOT TO TAKE A MUGSHOT JUST BECAUSE IT IS THE FORMER PRESIDENT OR OUGHT WE TO TREAT HIM AS ANY OTHER DEFENDANT WHO IS BEING ARRAIGNED AND WE ARE BRINGING THE DEFENDANT, IN THIS CASE, A FORMER PRESIDENT BEFORE A JUDGE AND THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE JUDGE IN THE FIRST INSTANCE AFTER THE DEFENDANT TO SAY, HERE ARE THE CHARGES AGAINST YOU, SIR.

DO YOU HAVE A LAWYER?

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INDICTMENT, THE NEXT COURT HEARING.

AS YOU SUGGESTED SOMETIMES BAIL.

WE DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO WORRY ABOUT BAIL TOMORROW.

BUT THAT PART OF THE PROCESS, THE ORDINARY PIECE THAT TAKE PLACES THROUGHOUT THIS COURTROOM EVERY DAY, HUNDREDS OF TYPES A DAY IS WHAT WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE TOMORROW.

>> Ted: WHAT TIME TABLE CAN WE EXPECT TO SEE ONCE THE ARRAIGNMENT HAPPENS?

>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

WHITE COLLAR QUESTIONS, DELAY, DELAY, DELAY ARE THE THREE MOST IMPORTANT DEFENSES ANY LAWYER WILL HAVE FOR ANY WHITE COLLAR DEFENDANT AND I EXPECT WE WILL WAIT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME BEFORE THIS CASE ADVANCES TO ANY SIGNIFICANT DEGREE.

AND Mr. TRUMP'S LAWYER SAY THEY HAVE GOOD DEFENSES THAT THEY'LL PUT BEFORE THE JUDGE IN MOTIONS AND IN MOTION PRACTICE BEFORE WE EVER ARRIVE AT A JURY.

>> Ted: FASCINATING AND VERY INTERESTING AND YOU WANT TO JOIN US TOMORROW AND WHAT WE SEE?

>> WOULD LOVE TO.

>> Ted: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.

UP NEXT, A JUDGE ORDERS A CITY OF PHOENIX TO CLEAN UP A HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT.

>> A JUDGE ORDERED THE CITY OF PHOENIX TO CLEAN UP "THE ZONE" AND IT COMES AS RESIDENTS FILED SUIT FOR ALLOWING THE AREA TO BECOME WHAT THE JUDGE DESCRIBED AS, QUOTE, A PUBLIC NUISANCE AND WE WELCOME STACEY CHAMPION FOR THE UNHOUSED AND WE HAD YOU ON BEFORE AND THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF "THE ZONE" AND HOW DID IT COME INTO BEING.

>> "THE ZONE" IS FROM SEVENTH AVENUE TO 15th AND NOW FROM WASHINGTON ALL THE WAY TO JACKSON.

>> Ted: WOW!

>> SO IT'S A LARGE AREA AND NOT FAR FROM OUR STATE CAPITOL WHERE YOU ALSO HAVE A LOT OF THE SERVICE PROVIDERS.

SO YOU HAVE THE LARGEST SHELTER -- YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF ORGANIZES THAT ARE UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE HUMAN SERVICE'S CAMPUS DOWN THERE AND SO IT IS WHERE FOLKS GET HELP AND RESOURCES.

>> Ted: HOW MANY FOLKS ARE DOWN THERE?

>> OVER A THOUSAND OUTSIDE OF SHELTER SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE STREET OUTSIDE OF SHELTER.

>> Ted: IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS HAS BEEN GETTING PROGRESSIVELY WORSE, TRUE?

>> VERY TRUE.

SO I'VE BEEN DOING VOLUNTEER STREET, OUTREACH AND GOING DOWN THERE FOR 15 YEARS AT THIS POINT AND THERE WAS A TIME NOT TOO MANY YEARS AGO WHERE I COULD PUT SOMETHING IN EVERY PERSON'S HAND AND IT IS JUST OVERWHELMING AND YOU CAN REALLY, REALLY TRACK IT TO OUR RISE IN RENTS HERE.

>> Ted: IT'S GOTTEN WORSE AND NOW, WE HAVE THIS SUIT, THIS LAWSUIT FROM BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS SAYING IT'S GOTTEN WORSE BECAUSE, WHAT, THE CITY OF PHOENIX HASN'T DONE WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO?

>> IT WAS THE CITY, COUNTY AND STATE, QUITE FRANKLY TO NOT GET SERIOUS ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, TO NOT GET A GREAT HANDLE ON THE OPIOID AND FENTANYL ADDICTION, TO NOT DO ANYTHING PROACTIVELY ABOUT OUR EXTREMELY HIGH EVICTION RATES, ESPECIALLY IN MARICOPA COUNTY AND THEN WE ADD OPIOID COVID AND YOU HAVE THE PERFECT STORM FOR A LOT OF FOLKS AND ALSO A LOT OF SENIORS ON FIXED INCOMES WHO ARE STRAIGHT UP PRICED OUT OF HOUSING AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS CREATION OF A PERFECT STORM OF ALL THESE PEOPLE.

>> Ted: THE JUDGE SAYS ENFORCED STATUTES AND ORDINANCES IN THE AREA.

THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS LOOKING TO SWEEPING UP THE UNHOUSES AND IS THAT A FACTOR HERE?

>> IT IS.

AND I THINK THEY HAVE DEFINITELY BEEN FOR GUARDED SINCE THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS BEEN INVESTIGATING AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT I HAVE WITNESSED PEOPLE HAVING ALL OF THEIR WORLDLY BELONGINGS INCLUDING THEIR I.D.ES AND BIRTH CERTIFICATES AND MEDICATIONS THROWN AWAY.

INVESTIGATIONS BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE DON'T FALL FROM THE SKY AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IS PART OF IT AND I THINK WE CAN LOOK TO THE FACT THAT THERE WERE NOT, YOU KNOW AND STILL NOT A SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF RESTROOMS FOR PEOPLE TO USE OR THINGS FOR PEOPLE TO KEEP CLEAN.

I THINK THIS IS, AGAIN, THE PERFECT STORM.

I DON'T BLAME THE BUSINESSES AND THE RESIDENTS FOR BEING UPSET.

BUT THIS IS A BIG FAILURE OF CITY, COUNTY, STATE TO BE PROACTIVE AND NOW WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE INCREDIBLY REACTIVE DURING THE HOTTEST MONTHS OF THAT WE KNOW HERE.

>> Ted: TALK ABOUT THE REACTION.

WHAT CAN THE CITY DO?

THEY'RE SAYING, WHAT, THERE'S A FEDERAL RULE OR ORDINANCE THAT THEY CAN'T MOVE PEOPLE OUT OF PLACES?

THE BOTTOM LINE, WHERE WILL THESE PEOPLE GO?

THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION AND HOW IT IS HANDLES AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT -- I REALLY A TIME NOT SO MANY YEARS AGO WHERE PEOPLE HAD EMPATHY AND CARED ABOUT FOLKS WHO WERE UNSHELTERED AND THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH RHETORIC THAT ALL OF NEED PEOPLE ARE CRIMINALS OR THEY ARE DRUG ADDICTS OR CRAZY.

I CAN TELL YOU HAVING BEEN OUT THERE ON STREET FOR ALL THESE YEARS, THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

AND WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO GO?

EVEN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HOUSING, I MEAN, THERE ARE PEOPLE ON WAITINGLIES WAITING LISTS FOR TWO YEARS.

>> Ted: THE JUDGE IS SAYING THE CITY COULD HAVE CREATED SOME SORT OF STRUCTURED AREA AND THE CITY DIDN'T DO THAT AND IS THAT A START IN.

>> I?

>> WE SAW THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF COVID.

THE CITY OF PHOENIX HAD SPENT OVER $300,000 OF CARE'S ACT FUNDING TO PUT UP THESE CHAINS AND POLED IN THE PUBLIC EASEMENTS TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM BEING ABLE TO CAMP IN THAT SPACE AND THEN THEY SET UP A COUPLE OF COUNTY PARKING LOTS BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT ADEQUATE SHADE OR PEOPLE -- WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO STAY COOL.

THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO DIED FROM HEAT IN THOSE PARKING LOT.

ILOTS.IF IT'S NOT DONE SOFTLY AND IF IT'S NOT DONE WITH ALL OF THREE WRAP-AROUND RESOURCES TO REALLY HELP PEOPLE, RIGHT, TO REALLY LOOK AT EACH INDIVIDUAL SITUATION AND WHAT THEY HAVE GOING ON.

I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE WAS A WOMAN IN HER 70s, A FIRST-TIME UNSHELTERED WOMAN, A SENIOR DOING WHO I HELPED KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MAMA BEAR HER THROUGH THE PROCESS PROCESS AND IT TOOK US A YEAR TO GET SOMEWHERE TO LIVE.

THIS IS A WOMAN WHO DID NOT HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES OR A DRUG ADDICTION.

THIS WAS A WOMAN WHO WAS POOR.

>> Ted: WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE SOME IDEAS TO HELP POD MODERATE THE SITUATION.

STACEY CHAMPION, COMMUNITY ADVOCATE, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON, TED.

>> Ted: YOU BET.

♪♪ >> Ted: .

>> THERE CAN BE HEROIN AND THIS IS THE FIRST OPIOID TREATMENT DRUG TO BE SOLD OVER THE COUNTER AND JOINING US FRANK LOVETCHIO, DIRECTOR AT THE COLLEGE OF HEALTH SOLUTIONS AND GOOD TO SEE YOU AND THANKS FOR JOINING US.

WHAT A NUCLEAR CAN AND WHAT NARCAN AND YOU GIVE YOURSELF NALOXONE AND IT MOVES THE DRUG OFF AND YOU CAN'T GET HIGH ON THE DRUGS ANYMORE AND YOU'LL BREATHE AGAIN AND WAKE UP.

A TIMELY FASHION IS FOUR MINUTES.

>> Ted: FIRST RESPONDERS HAVE THIS AND THE POLICE OFFICERS HAVE IT AND ALL EMS HAVE IT AND THERE WILL BE A TIME PREVALENT AS AN AED AND AGAIN, FENTANYL, HEROIN, OXYCODONE AND THIS OVER THE COUNTER, THE IMPACT ON FIGHTING OVERDOSES AND WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> THIS DECREASES THE STIGMA AND OVER THE COUNTER, IT'S SAFE AND NOT A BIG DEAL, BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S EXPENSIVE AND BETWEEN 50 AND $100 AND RIGHT NOW, IT'S FREE AND PUBLIC HEALTH, THEY GIVE IT OUT FOR FREE AND THERE ARE PUBLIC HEALTH FOR FREE AND YOU CAN GET IT, YOU KNOW, AT ALMOST EVERY PHARMACY AND A STANDING PEDIATRICIAN FOR PRESCRIPTION.

AND THE RIGHT PEOPLE WON'T GET IT.

IF I USE DRUGS EVERY DAY AND USE IT WITH MY MONEY AND NOT PAY $50.

IT HAS TO BE FREE.

>> Ted: IT HAS TO BE FREE AND PEOPLE HAS TO KNOW HOW TO USE IT.

>> IF I GAVE IT TO RIGHT NOW, NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN AND NO HARM TO ANYONE.

THE HARM IS, OF COURSE, IF YOU'VE OVERDOSED NOT BREATHING AND I TRY TO GIVE IT TO WRONG, ONLY THE NASAL ONE, SO IT HAS TO GO IN YOUR NOSE AND SQUIRT IT AND BREATHING AND CIRCULATION.

>> Ted: IN THAT SITUATION, LET'S SAY YOU GOT THERE IN TIME, STILL BREATHING AND YOU ADMINISTER THE NASAL SPRAY AND YOU STILL NEED TO CALL AN AMBULANCE?

>> PROBABLY SHOULD CALL AN AMBULANCE FIRST.

THE DRUG GOES AWAY AND LAST A LOT LONGER AND BACK DOWN AGAIN AND BACK UNCONSCIOUS.

>> Ted: WHY IS THE F.D.A.

DOING THIS NOW?

THE CONTROVERSY AND ATTENTION TO OPIOID DEATHS STARTED YEARS AGO?

>> THINKING ABOUT SINCE THE YEAR 2000, ALMOST 990,000 AMERICANS HAVE DIED AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT SINCE THE BRIEF TIME WE'VE BEEN HERE, THESE 30 MINUTES, THREE AMERICANS DIED OF AN OPIOID DIED AND WE TREAT THIS AS SOMETHING BAD, BAD PEOPLE DOING THIS AND CRIMINALS.

WE HAVE TO TREAT THEM LIKE A DISEASE.

WE DON'T TAKE ICE CREAM OUT OF THE REFRIGERATOR BECAUSE YOU'RE A DIABETIC.

WE TRY TO SUPPORT YOU.

THE STIGMA NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.

>> Ted: YOU MENTION THE CAUSE AND IS THERE A CONCERN IF A DRUG IS TOO EXPENSIVE OR CHEAP AND NOT MAKING ENOUGH MONEY, THAT PRODUCTION COULD STOP OR CHANGE FOR THIS KIND OF THING?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I HOPE THAT THE GOVERNMENT WILL MAKE IT FREE FOR ALL.

IF YOU HAVE MAID MEDICAID IN ARIZONA, YOU CAN GET IT FOR FREE.

>> Ted: FROM WHERE YOU SIT, THE OVER-THE-COUNTER DESIGNATION, SELLING IT, IS THAT GOOD THING IN.

>> IT'S A GREAT THING BECAUSE IT LOWERS THE STIGMA AND RELATIVELY SAFE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE TAKE DRUGS, ET CETERA AND WE SHOULD HAVE THIS AROUND AND THE NEGATIVE IS THE INSURANCE COMPANY AND THE MONEY AND COST.

>> Ted: ARE YOU OPTIMISTIC THOSE HURDLES CAN BE CLEARED.

>> HOPEFULLY OUR POLITICIANS WILL SAY, SAY AND THEY NEED TO SAY, WE NEED TO MAKE THIS FREE AND ONE DEGREE THAT EVERYBODY HAS THIS TOUCHED.

>> Ted: DR. FRANK LOVETCHIO, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> TEE >> Ted: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.