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BILL MCLELLAND FOUNDER AT THE ST. LOUIS POST DISPATCH.

WENDY WEISS, RAY HARTMANN.

JOE HOLLEMAN FROM THE ST. LOUIS POST DISPATCH.

WELL, FIRST COURT DATE FOR KIM GARDNER, I GUESS SHE'S HAD OTHER ONES TOO.

THIS HEARING WHETHER TO PROCEED ON THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S ATTEMPT TO OUST HER FROM OFFICE.

I'M SURE WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THAT.

DAY-LONG HEARING ON TUESDAY.

DO YOU THINK THESE SHE'S IN A BETTER PLACE NOW THAN SHE WAS BEFORE OR WORSE PLACE?

>> I THINK THIS HEARING DID HER NO FAVORS.

NUMBER ONE, EVERYBODY WAS KIND OF WONDERING IF SHE WAS GOING TO SHOW UP OR NOT, CONSIDERING JUST THIS WEEK, THERE WAS A MURDER TRIAL IN ST. LOUIS CIRCUIT COURT AND A PROSECUTOR DID NOT SHOW UP.

JUST DIDN'T SHOW UP.

NOT SHOWED UP LATE, WASN'T THERE FOR A MURDER TRIAL.

>> YOU NEED A PROSECUTOR TO TRY SOMEBODY FOR MURDER.

>> WHEN SOMEONE SAYING YOU'RE NOT RUNNING YOUR OFFICE WELL TO SEVERAL DAYS BEFORE YOU GO TO APPEAR IN FRONT A FEDERAL JUDGE AND YOU HAVE A CASE WHERE YOUR WHOLE OFFICE FAIL TO SHOW UP FOR A MURDER CASE, YOU'RE NOT DOING YOURSELF ANY FAVORS.

THEY GOT TO THE HEARING, THEY REALIZED BASICALLY AS SHE'S DONE WITH REQUEST FOR YEARS, JUST IGNORED A NUMBER OF SUBPOENAS.

JUST DIDN'T ANSWER THEM.

WE WANT THIS INFORMATION.

WE WANT THAT INFORMATION, TO THE POINT WITH THE JUDGE BASICALLY, SAID, GO INTO A ROOM AND WORK THIS OUT AND YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE HIM SOME RECORDS.

THE IDEA OF -- I THINK WHAT I FIND SORT OF NOT AMAZING OR INCREDIBLE, IT BRINGS QUESTIONS TO MY MIND.

WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR FIVE YEARS.

HAD IT NOT BEEN SOME HORRIBLY UNFORTUNATE EVENTS ESSENTIALLY WITH THIS LEAD FROM TENNESSEE.

THE IDEA OF NOT SHOWING UP FOR TRIALS, NOT HOLDING PEOPLE ON PROPER BONDS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOREVER.

REQUEST FOR RECORDS FROM THE MEDIA AND OTHER PLACES HAVE BEEN IGNORED.

THERE'S DEFENSE ATTORNEYS SAYING, WE NEVER GOT THE EVIDENCE FROM HER OFFICE.

YOU HAVE TO CANCEL THESE CASES.

THIS IS NOT A CASE OF WE DON'T LIKE HOW YOU'RE RUNNING YOUR OFFICE.

THIS IS A CASE OF YOU'RE NOT RUNNING YOUR OFFICE.

THAT'S A DIFFERENT WORLD.

I THINK THIS WHOLE WEEK SHOWED IF ANYTHING, CAN HELP THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S CASE.

>> I USUALLY LIKE SPECTACLES AND COURTROOMS.

THIS IS ALL EXAMPLE OF IT CAN'T GO FORWARD.

TRIAL ANDREW BAILEY, HE NEEDS ALL THESE RECORDS.

THIS IS AN OFFICE THAT CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THINGS AS THEY ARE.

THE IDEA THAT SUDDENLY, THE CIRCUIT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS GOING TO BE LOOKING UP RECORDS AND GETTING EVERYTHING READY TO GO.

WE NEED SOMEBODY TO STEP IN AND TELL MS. GARDNER, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE.

WE CAN'T GO ON FOR COUPLE OF MONTHS WITH THE CIRCUIT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SUDDENLY BEING BUSY WITH SOMETHING ELSE.

>> IT HAS BECOME A REGIONAL CRISES.

I'M A BROADCASTER.

MATH IS NOT MY STRONGEST SUIT.

THIS IS PRETTY BASIC MATTHEW.

IF YO-- MATH.IF YOU HAVE TOURISTS AND BUSINESSES THAT THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS HAS DESCENDED INTO A SUCH A LEVEL OF CHAOS, THAT PART THAT THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE IS NOT DOING ITS JOB.

BASIC MATH, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A REAL FINANCIAL PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD.

THAT'S WHY THIS IS URGENT.

THIS IS SO URGENT AND IT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED IN SOME WAY.

[ LAUGHTER ] >> THE PROBLEM DEFENDING SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'RE SAYING, I'M NOT SIGNING ON FOR THAT JOB.

THE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE I HAVE IS THIS ONE I HAD ALL ALONG.

THIS IS JUST IT'S NOT THE ROLE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, ESPECIALLY UNELECTED ONE, EVEN IF HE WAS ELECTED, THIS IS POLITICAL.

I THINK THAT IT WOULD SET A TERRIBLE PRECEDENT.

I THINK THAT -- I HAVE A SENSE THAT AT SOME POINT THERE'S GOING TO BE ENOUGH PRESSURE ON HER THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN.

I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE.

I DO NOT THINK THIS IS A JUSTIFIABLE PROCESS.

I THINK IT'S A POLITICALLY MOTIVATED ONE.

I THINK IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY -- WHERE I DISAGREE, I DON'T THINK THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS.

I THINK IT'S POLITICS.

>> IS SHE GUILTY OF POLITICAL GRAND STANDING?

COME ON, OF COURSE SHE IS.

>> THAT'S -- I WOULD SAY NO TO THAT.

THIS IS ABOUT TRYING TO STAY IN OFFICE.

>> I THINK SHE HAS MADE HERSELF A POLITICAL VICTIM.

SHE'S NOT.

>> THAT'S DIFFERENT.

I DON'T THINK SHE'S GRANDSTANDING.

>> SHE'S TRYING TO POLITICALLY GRANDSTAND.

SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANYONE STANDING NEXT TO HER ANYMORE.

I THINK THAT'S CLEAR.

I GO BACK WHEN THEY SAID THIS IS POLITICAL.

OF COURSES THERE POLITICAL.

THEY'RE ALL POLITICIANS.

I LOVE IT WHEN THEY START ACCUSING POLITICIANS OF PLAYING POLITICS.

WHEN YOU SAY THIS IS AN INAPPROPRIATE WAY.

THERE'S A PROCESS BY WHICH THE STATE CAN REMOVE A COUNTY OFFICIAL.

IT'S NOT LIKE THEY CAME UP WITH THIS YESTERDAY, SAY LET'S COME UP WITH A WAY TO GET RID OF KIM GARDNER.

THEY HAVE USED THIS PROCESS BEFORE INCLUDING REMOVING THE PROSECUTOR.

THE IDEA THAT THEY JUST SAT AROUND SOME SMOKY ROOM AND SAID HOW DO WE GET RID OF GARDNER.

IT'S NOT TRUE.

THERE IS A PROCESS WHEN THE WHEELS HAVE ALL COME OFF THE WAGON THAT SOMEBODY CAN CAN SAY THIS NEEDS TO BE FIXED.

>> I STILL THINK THAT THIS JUDGE AT SOME POINT BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER 25th, WHEN THIS TRIAL WILL BEGIN, COULD VERY WELL CALL EVERYBODY IN AND SAY LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO THROW HER OUT OF OFFICE ON DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARD OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS GOING ON.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

HORRIBLE JOB.

SHE NEVER BE REELECTED.

I THINK THE WAY THE LAW IS STRUCTURED OR THIS PROCESS IS STRUCTURED, THEY DON'T MEET THE STANDARD TO THROW HER OUT.

I'M NOT BEING THE JUDGE.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT I DO THAT.

I DO BELIEVE THERE'S A REAL CHANCE, I THINK IN THAT HEARING, ONE THING THAT THAT DID HAPPEN WAS HER ATTORNEY WAS SAYING, EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING IS TRUE, YOUR HONOR.

WE'RE NOT PREPARED.

BUT SO WHAT.

>> IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S A PROCESS.

YOU GOT TO WIN AT THAT PROCESS.

MY SENSE -- IF THEY DO FINE.

I WOULD SAY THAT FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD BY LAWYERS THAT THEIR CHANCES OF WINNING ARE PROBABLY LESS THAN 50-50.

IF THEY WIN, FINE.

I THINK THAT MOST OF THIS WAS MOTIVATED BY -- I DON'T THINK THEY CARE IF THEY WIN.

>> THE STATE DID NOT WANT TO JUMP IN THIS.

THEY JUMPED INTO IT.

YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHY THEY GOT IN, BECAUSE WORLDWIDE, SOMETHING HAPPENED THAT FOCUSED ALL ATTENTION ON THE ABYSMAL THERE ARE WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON!

50-50 ON WHO SIDE?

>> 50-50 IS IN THE MIDDLE.

LESS THAN 50-50 OF BAILEY WINNING.

>> OKAY, ALL RIGHT.

>> I'M NOT PREDICTING IT MYSELF.

I UNDERSTAND.

I NEVER SAID THE PROCESS DIDN'T EXIST.

>> WE GOT FOUR MUNICIPAL MAYORS SAY HOW ABOUT WE COMBINE THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE OF THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.

OLD ALVIN WOULD HAVE SAID HECK NO.

WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT.

MAY BE THAT'S THE KIM GARDNER EFFECT.

WESLEY BELL HIS COMMENTS WERE NOT LIKE, NO, NEVER.

IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN.

THE COUNTY SHOULD REPRESENT THE COUNTY AND THE CITY SHOULD REPRESENT THE CITY.

IS WESLEY LOOKING BEYOND TO BEING THE PROSECUTOR?

>> I THINK HE MIGHT BE.

FORMER LONGTIME COUNTY PROSECUTOR BOB McCLELLAND WAS ON THIS MORNING.

HE SAID THIS WOULD NOT BE HAPPENING IF IT WASN'T FOR THE KIM GARDNER CRISES.

THE MAYORS OF MANCHESTER, BRENTWOOD AND WILDWOOD, CRIME HOT BEDS.

THIS IS A REGIONAL CRISES.

WHAT'S INTERESTING, THOUGH, THEY WANT TO FOLD THIS INTO HB301 THE PROPOSAL TO HAVE A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR, WHICH, OF COURSE, KIM GARDNER IS OPPOSED TO.

THEY ARE SAYING THIS IS LIKE THE MIDDLE POINT.

WESLEY BELL, HE IS PLAYING COY.

WHICH IS REALLY SMART.

FIRST THING I THOUGHT OF WAS THE OLD STEVE STINGER AND LYDA KREWSON, WE'LL BE BETTER TOGETHER.

WESLEY BELL IS A SMART GUY.

I THINK HE'S GOING TO MAKE THE MOST OF THIS AND GOOD FOR HIM.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS PLAN AT ALL.

>> WESLEY BELL, AS A BLACK POLITICIAN IN THE ST. LOUIS AREA, THE HIGHEST YOU CAN ASPIRE TO IS THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.

IF WESLEY BELL WERE ABLE TO BE PROSECUTOR FOR THE CITY AND COUNTY IN FOUR YEARS, SIX YEARS, HE'D TAKE ON CORI BUSH AND WE'LL WILL BECOME THE CONGRESSPERSON FOR LIFE.

>> WE CAN SPECULATE ABOUT MOTIVES IN THE STATE.

I DON'T REALLY QUESTION.

I WILL SAY, I THINK IT'S A PROMISING IDEA.

I'VE BEEN FOR REGIONAL.

I WASN'T BETTER TOGETHER FOR A LOT OF REASONS.

REGIONISM IS -- REGIONALISM IS A GOOD THING.

THERE'S A PREFACE IN THE CITY AND COUNTY TO WORK TOGETHER.

THERE'S REGIONS THEY HAVE TO COMBINE CITY AND COUNTY.

>> CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I'M LEARY ABOUT CHANGE THE BECAUSE OF ONE PERSON.

KIM GARDNER IS A DISASTER.

>> I DON'T AGREE WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT HAS TO BE YOU DON'T LIKE THIS PARTICULAR CIRCUIT ATTORNEY.

THERE'S AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE, THE SAME ONE FOR A MAJOR CASE SQUAD THAT THE COUNTY AND CITY COMBINE FORCES.

I'M NOT SURE WE'LL BE BETTER OFF WITH A LARGER, BETTER FUNDED, BETTER EVERYTHING, WHATEVER, TAKE THE PERSONALITIES OUT.

HAVING A PROSECUTOR AND TREATING THIS AS A REGIONAL THING.

KEEP IN MIND, THE CITY IS NOT THE ONLY PLACE WE HAVE CRIME.

THERE'S LOT OF CRIME IN THE COUNTY.

I THINK HAVING IT CENTRALIZED -- IT'S WORTH EXPLORING.

>> I DO THINK IT COMES FROM THE CRISES OF KIM GARDNER.

NO GOOD IDEA EVER COMES INTO PLACE JUST BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

THAT'S NOT HOW AMERICA EVER WORKS ON ANYTHING.

IT HAS TO BE A GOOD IDEA SITTING AROUND WAITING FOR A CRISES TO HAPPEN.

HERE WE GO.

I LIKE YOU, ALVIN, I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING THAT PROSECUTOR BELL WAS LIKE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT A REGIONAL APPROACH.

KIND OF JUST THREW THAT OUT THERE.

ALL THE BIG THINKERS, THE BIG IDEA FORWARD THINKER FOLKS, WE'LL SEE WHERE THEY GO NOW.

NOW THEY'RE SAYING, HERE'S A GOOD IDEA.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS CITY-COUNTY REGIONAL COOPERATION.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE.

>> DO WE KNOW WHERE THE FOUR MAYORS IT WERE ON BETTER TOGETHER?

>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT.

IF I GAUGED MY OWN REACTION.

I SAID, WHY AM I NOT OPPOSED TO THIS.

IN THE PAST I WOULD HAVE BEEN OPPOSED.

>> THERE ARE PLACES THE MEDICAL EXAMINER, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE -- THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH BETTER TOGETHER WAS BEING RAMMED DOWN PEOPLE'S THROATS BY THE STATE.

THAT WAS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THING.

>> RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION WE HAVE WITH THE CIRCUIT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, IT SEEM LIKE THERE'S NO ONE OUT THERE THAT WOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY NEGATIVE ABOUT THIS POSSIBLE MERGER.

I THINK THEY ARE POWERFUL PEOPLE WITHIN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY THAT DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY PART OF EACH OTHER.

I THINK THAT ELEMENT IS STILL THERE.

THIS IS JUST KIND OF LIKE BEING GLOSSED OVER.

YOU BROUGHT UP BOB McCLELLAND, HIS BROTHER HAS BEEN APPOINTED PROSECUTOR IN ST. CHARLES COUNTY.

GOOD CHOICE?

>> GREAT CHOICE.

THE MAIN REASON I THINK SO IS JOE McCLELLAND IS 66 YEARS OLD.

I THINK THAT WHEN YOU'RE APPOINTING SOMEONE AS A CARETAKER POSITION, IT'S NICE TO HAVE IT BE SOMEBODY -- MY PROBLEM WITH ANDREW BAILEY WHEN PARSON NOMINATED HIM, SUDDENLY BAILEY WILL USE THIS AS A POLITICAL JUMPING POINT.

JOJOE McCLELLAND IS TOO OLD TO BE LOOKING I THINK I'LL RUN IN FOUR YEARS.

IT'S A GREAT CHOICE.

IT SPEAKS VERY HIGHLY OF THE ST. CHARLES COUNTY EXECUTIVES THAT HE'S ABLE TO DO THIS.

THERE'S NOBODY IN THE CITY WHO'S STEPPING FORWARD AND TAKING CARE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE CIRCUIT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

HE DESERVES A LOT OF CREDIT FOR BEING DECISIVE AND FOR MAKING THIS PARTICULAR CHOICE.

>> I AGREE WITH BILL.

>> THANK YOU.

>> PERFECT KIND OF PERSON TO PUT IN A JOB LIKE THAT ON SHORT NOTICE AND DO THREE YEARS, RUN THE OFFICE LIKE YOU BEST THINK.

I THINK DRAWING PARALLEL BETWEEN BAILEY AND NORT McCULLOUGH TOO.

>> ED ON SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT.

WOULD WE HAVE HAD THIS CRISES IN THE CIRCUIT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS IF WE HAD THOSE LEADERS OF YESTERDAY.

LIKE A BILL CLAY?

>> YOU'RE RIGHT, WENDY.

THE ANSWER IS, WE WOULD HAVE NOT HAD THIS PROBLEM.

THIS IS A PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE.

WE'RE MOVING ON.

THERE'S NOBODY IN ST. LOUIS WITH THE AUTHORITY OR THE STATUS TO DO THAT WITH KIM GARDNER.

>> LET ME CHANNEL THE EARLY DAYS DAYS.

I DISAGREE WITH THIS REVERSE AGEISM.

AS FAR AS THE REFERENCE MR. REID MADE, ANOTHER McCULLOUGH DOESN'T PARTICULARLY EXCITE ME.

IF HE COMES TO THE JOB OF THE PROSECUTOR INFORMED BY THE TRAGIC KILLING OF HIS POLICE OFFICER FATHER BY SOMEONE WHO DEMOGRAPHICALLY RESEMBLES LOT OF THE DEFENDANTS, THAT WAS NOT -- WHICH MEANS YOUNG BLACK MEN -- I DON'T THINK THAT'S A STRONG SUIT SUIT.

I THINK WESLEY BELL IS DRAMATICALLY BETTER PROSECUTOR THAN McCULLOUGH.

I'M NOT -- I WANT TO DO ALVIN A FAVOR, I DON'T LIKE HIS CHOICE.

WE DON'T KNOW.

WE'LL SEE WHAT KIND OF PROSECUTOR HE IS.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE EXCITED ABOUT IT IN ADVANCE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT.

>> GIVE HIM A CHANCE.

SO ALL OF THE PROSECUTORS YOU CAN CRITICIZE TONIGHT, THE ONE YOU PICK IS ONE WHO HASN'T STARTED THEIR JOB?

>> I SAID GIVE HIM A JOB.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW HE'S GOING TO DO.

>> HOW ABOUT AN EXCELLENT CHOICE.

ALVIN DOES LOT OF GOOD STUFF OUT THERE.

LET'S SEE IF THIS IS ONE.

>> MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT APPEAR BEFORE HIM WILL BE FROM ST. CHARLES COUNTY.

>> THIS IS HIS BROTHER.

>> TWO T HERE'S THE PROBLEM I HAD.

HE TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO INSULT EVERYBODY IN ST. LOUIS.

HE USED TO BE A DEMOCRAT AND HE CHANGED REPUBLICAN.

HE FELT THE NEED TO EXPLAIN WHY HE CHANGED.

I FELT THAT WAS INSULTING.

I DID NOT LIKE THAT PRESS RELEASE.

WHY YOU TAKING CHEAP SHOTS?

IT'S NOT NECESSARY.

>> YOUR CHEAP SHOT, BOB McCULLOUGH, YOU DEFENDED SACRED THE VOTERS WHO CONTINUE TO REELECT KIM GARDNER.

LOT OF VOTERS REELECTED BOB McCULLOUGH.

LOOK AT HIS OFFICE!

YOU CAN'T COMPARE THE TWO.

>> THE VOTERS FIRED HIM.

>> WHEN I DISAGREED WITH THOSE THINGS, I NEVER SAID BOB McCULLOUGH SHOULD RESIGN.

HE WAS ELECTED.

>> WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME!

WE GOT 14 ALDER PEOPLE.

FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.

EVERYBODY SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPY AT THE CITY HALL.

SHARON TYUS WAS NOT HAPPY.

HERE WE GO ON A BRIGHT NEW PATH.

WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT HOW IT ALL WENT TUESDAY AT CITY HALL?

>> I WAS THINKING OF THE WISE WORDS WHO STATED, ARE YOU SURPRISED POLITICIANS AREN'T ACTING LIKE POLITICIANS?

I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN HE SAID THAT.

I'M SURPRISED I MAKE IT TO MY NEXT SENTENCE.

I THINK IT'S POLITICIANS BEING POLITICIANS.

I DIDN'T APPRECIATE THE REFERENCE WHITE BECKY.

I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS CALLED FOR.

MEGHAN GREEN.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THEY GOVERN IN THE NEXT TWO TO FOUR YEARS.

I DON'T BEGRUDGE SHARON TYUS SHEAING WHAT SHE WANTS TO SAY.

IT'S POLITICIANS BEING POLITICIANS.

IT'S NOT MUCH MORE POLITICAL STUFF THAT GOES ON THAN DIVYING UP LEADERSHIP POSITIONS.

>> I'M BEING A STICKLER.

IF YOU OPENLY CAMPAIGN, I'M GOING TO BE A THORN IN YOUR SIDE, HOW CAN YOU BE UPSET WHEN THEY TOOK CARE OF THAT PROBLEM?

>> NOW THERE'S 14 OF THEM.

THEY'RE GOING TO DO THEIR THING.

LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

>> I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SAY ANYTHING IN SUPPORT OF SHARON TYUS.

I REMEMBER HER FIRST TIME BEFORE SHE GOT VOTED OFF THE ISLAND YEARS AGO.

I THINK IT'S NICE TO HAVE SOME RESISTANCE TO THE PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT IN THE CITY.

SHARON TYUS IS THAT.

>> OKAY, I DIDN'T TAKE AWAY THAT THIS WAS REVOLT AGAINST THE PROGRESSIVES.

HER LINE WAS, IF YOU COME AFTER THE NORTH SIDE, YOU'RE GOING TO COME AFTER ME.

THEN I'M GOING TO COME AFTER YOU.

WHAT DID THAT HAVE TO DO WITH PROGRESSIVE POLITICS?

>> MAY BE, NOTHING.

[ LAUGHTER ] SHE IS THE NEW SWORN ENEMY.

>> IT'S GOOD THEATER.

>> SHE IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

WHY WOULDN'T SHE DRAW THAT LINE IN THE SAND?

>> I HEAR YOU.

KIND OF LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.

THERE'S GOING TO BE WAVE OF CRAZY PROGRESSIVE POLITICS GOING ON IN THE CITY.

I'M NOT SIGNING ON TO THAT.

>> THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS PROMISING.

>> IT'S ONE THING FOR POLITICIANS.

THEY MAKE THESE PROMISES AND THIS IS NOT JUST THIS GROUP OF POLITICIANS.

THIS GOES BACK TIME IN MEMORIAM.

THEY MAKE THE PROMISES AND THEY GET IN THE OFFICE AND THEY THINK THEY ARE DONE NOW.

NOW THEY'VE GOT TO GET THE BILLS THROUGH.

THE SHARON TYUS, JOE VOLLMERS OR THE PEOPLE WHO KNOWS HOW THE GAME GETS PLAYED.

YOU FIND OUT IT DOESN'T WORK AS EASY.

LOT OF THESE FOLKS WHO ARE FIRE AND BRIMSTONE PROGRESSIVES, FIND OUT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE.

THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO IF NOT MAKE SHARON TYUS HAPPY.

STOP THEM FROM SCREAMING AT THEM.

>> THAT'S THE WAY IT SUPPOSED TO WORK.

POLITICS IS CRAZY.

>> I WILL SAY THIS IF SOMEBODY WHITE CALLS SOMEBODY BLACK ANYTHING, FOLKS SHOULD BE WALKING ON CITY HALL.

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