Donnybrook
Donnybrook: August 11, 2022
Season 2022 Episode 58 | 27m 49sVideo has Closed Captions
Alvin Reid debates with Joe Holleman, Bill McClellan, Wendy Wiese, and Ray Hartmann.
Alvin Reid debates with Joe Holleman, Bill McClellan, Wendy Wiese, and Ray Hartmann.
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Donnybrook: August 11, 2022
Season 2022 Episode 58 | 27m 49sVideo has Closed Captions
Alvin Reid debates with Joe Holleman, Bill McClellan, Wendy Wiese, and Ray Hartmann.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship>>> ANNOUNCER: DONNYBROOK IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORT OF THE BETSY AND THOMAS PATTERSON FOUNDATION AND THE MEMBERS OF THE NINE PBS.
>> IT IS A FULL MOON.
I WILL HAVE TO GET OUT OF HERE BEFORE MIDNIGHT.
WE BETTER CARRY ON.
>> ALVIN SITTING IN TONIGHT.
WE WILL START IT OFF WITH WENDY.
OF KTRCRAY, AND JOE, FROM THE ST. LOUIS POST DISPATCH.
>> WELL, ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF MICHAEL BROWN'S DEATH, 8 YEARS AGO, THREE POLICE OFFICER REPRESENTATIVE ORGANIZATIONS FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE NEWLY-PASSED CALLING FOR A CITIZEN OVERVIEW BOARD.
WERE YOU SHOCKED WHEN THIS LAWSUIT WAS FILED AND WHAT IT WAS ABOUT?
>> I THINK IT WAS ENTIRELY IMPROPER.
AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS AN ACCIDENT THAT THEY DID IT ON THE 8TH ANNIVERSARY OF BROWN'S DEATH.
IT IS TERRIBLE IN OPTICS AND SUBSTANCE THAT THE POLICE UNIONS ARE SO THREATENED BY OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
AND IT WAS SIGNED BY CHAR JONES.
AND IT IS -- IN THE COMMUNITY FOR THE TRUST.
IT WOULD TAKE POLICING THE POLICE OUT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN A MUCH MORE INDEPENDENT AND CREDIBLE WAY.
I DON'T THINK ANY GOOD POLICE OFFICER SHOULD BE THREATENED BY IT.
>> I DISAGREE WITH YOU, RAY.
EVEN THE ETHICAL SOCIETY, WHICH IS THE BLACK OFFICERS OBJECTED TO THIS.
AND THERE'S A BIG CONCERN, I UNDERSTAND IT THAT THIS OVERSIGHT BOARD WILL HAVE ANOTHER ANTI-POLICE OFFICER ACTIVISTS AND THE POLICE DON'T HAVE ANY PART OF IT.
INTERNAL AFFAIRS WILL BE GONE.
THIS WILL HANDLE ALL SORTS OF COMPLAINTS.
RIGHT NOW, THE POLICE ARE IN SUCH A TERRIBLE POSITION, I MEAN, CRIME IS JUST RUNNING AROUND AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH COPS.
AND PILE THIS ON?
I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN.
I DON'T BLAME THEM.
>> AND A VERY WISE PERSON SAYS THAT POLICE OFFICERS DON'T KNOW IF THEY HEAR GUNFIRE IF THEY RESPOND WILL THEY GET SHOT OR INDICTED.
IT IS A VERY TENSE TIME TO BE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
I THINK IT IS MADE EVEN MORE TENSE WHEN YOU HAVE A SOCIAL MEDIA WAR OF WORDS BETWEEN THE MAYOR.
WHO IS CALLING THE ETHICAL SOCIETY OF POLICE "BOLD-FACED LIARS" AND THEY TRIED TO RESPOND IN A MEASURED WAY.
IT IS A BAD LOOK.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL WOMEN IN THE STATE OF MISSOURI, WHAT THE ATTRACTION IS TO SOCIAL MEDIA.
AND I OBVIOUSLY, HER SUPPORTERS LOVE MAYOR JONES AND HER FIERY, NO NONSENSE RESPONSES.
BUT, I THINK AS A COMMUNITY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS REALLY POSITIVE FOR HER.
>> I THINK FOR THE POLICE OFFICERS, WHEN THEY LOOK AT IT, JONES HAS NOT BEEN FRIENDLY TOWARDS THE POLICE.
SHE WAS CALLING THE ETHICAL SOCIETY LIARS.
AND YOU HAVE KIM GARDENER AND CORY BUSH AT THE CONGRESS PERSON.
IF YOU WERE A POLICE OFFICER, IT IS EASY TO SEE HOW THE PEOPLE ARE LINED UP AGAINST YOU.
>> I'M SORRY, JOE, THE ETHICAL SOCIETY SAYS THERE ARE PROBLEM WITH THE PROPOSAL, IT WAS TOO BROAD.
THEY WANTED TO DISCUSS MORE.
>> WHAT I FOUND ON FIRST BLUSH INTERESTING WAS HOW QUICKLY ONCE YOU GET ELECTED MAYOR, YOUR ALLIES BECOME YOUR ENEMIES AND I REMEMBER -- CALLING THE POLICE OFFICERS PIGS.
>> PENSION FUND.
>> -- PENSION FUND FIGHT.
AND NOW JONES IS CALLING THEM LIARS.
THOSE THAT WERE YOUR ALLIES ARE NOW AGAINST YOU.
WHEN YOU HAD THE THREE GROUPS, THE TWO UNIONS, THE ETHICAL SOCIETIES THAT REPRESENTS MOST OF THE POLICE OFFICERS OF COLOR.
YOU HAVE THEM ALL AGREES THAT YOU THINK IT IS TOO WIDE.
THEY BELIEVE IT VIOLATES STATE LAW AND THEY FILED A SUIT.
WHICH THEY ARE IN THE RIGHT.
WE ALL AGREE THAT POLICE OFFICER OVERSIGHT IS A GOOD IDEA.
NOW IT COMES TIME TO GET PASSED THE SOCIAL MEDIA OPTICS OF IT AND -- >> RIGHT.
NEGOTIATION.
>> AND THEY WILL FILE THE SUIT AND IT WILL BE DECIDED.
IT IS WHAT IT WILL BE EXPECTED.
BILL'S POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
YOU GO FROM ONE GROUP WHO WANTED TO SWEEP EVERYTHING UNDER THE RUG TO ANOTHER ONE CAN'T WAIT, AT LEAST IN POLICE OFFICERS' MINDS.
SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN IS WHAT WE NEED AND THE GIVE AND TAKE WITH THE LAWSUITS HOPEFULLY WILL GET US THERE.
>> I AM COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR TAKE THAT THERE IS NO WAY TO FIND FAIR-MINDED PEOPLE.
YOU MAKE IT SOUND LIKE IT IS RADICAL.
>> NO, NO.
>> IT IS NOT FAIR TO THE CITIZENS OF ST. LOUIS.
>> WELL, YOU AMAY BE RIGHT.
THERE IS SUCH AN ISSUE WITH THE MAYOR, KOREY BUSH, THAT THE POLICE ARE AFRAID OF WHAT IS GOING TO BE ON IT.
>> BILL, WHAT -- >> ALVIN?
>> JUST LIKE THE PUBLIC DID.
>> I DON'T THINK IT IS A COINCIDENCE.
>> IT WAS THE MAYOR.
>> IF JONES DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GOING TO END UP AS A POLITICAL FIGHT.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE BLACK COMMUNITY, NOT JUST THE BLACK COMMUNITY, WHAT ABOUT THE POLICE?
IT IS LEFT OUT OF THE CONVERSATION.
>> NO, IT IS NOT!
>> [ALL TALKING AT ONCE].
>> YOU TALK ABOUT KIM AND JONES AND BUSH, WHAT ABOUT THE DISTRUST FROM THE COMMUNITY TO THE BLACK POLICE.
THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM.
IT IS APART OF THIS.
>> NOT TO THE BLACK POLICE, TO ALL POLICE.
>> CORRECT.
TO ALL POLICE.
>> THERE NEEDS TO BE OVERSIGHT.
>> IT IS GREAT TO SAY.
BUT, WE DON'T HAVE IT.
AND WITH THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS IS NOT THE ANSWER.
THIS IS A COUNTER OFFER TO THAT.
TO YOUR POINT, IT NEEDS TO BE HASHED OUT.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.
THE FACT THAT THEY HAD TO FILE THE LAWSUIT ON MICHAEL BROWN'S DEATH ANNIVERSARY.
IT IS TROUBLING.
>> TALK ABOUT LACK OF FAITH, RAY.
>> YEAH, YEAH.
>> IT IS -- >> IT IS A BIG COINCIDENCE.
>> IT IS TAKING A BIG LEAP.
>> I DON'T THINK SO.
THE ONLY THING I NEED TO SAY, THE ETHICAL POLICE SAY I SHOULD HAVE WAITED A WEEK.
THIS DRAWS -- I THINK IT WAS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
>> OR IT WAS FILED AT THE FIRST POSSIBLE TIME?
>> MAYBE.
I DON'T THINK SO.
>> IT IS POSSIBLE.
>> IT IS POSSIBLE.
>> I SAID IT IS POSSIBLE.
>> IT IS NOT ALL ALL.
[ALL TALKING AT ONCE].
>> IT IS NOT -- YEAH.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>>> A MAN WHO HIT A YOUTH NEAR ON WATSON ROAD TURNED HIMSELF IN AFTER A NUMBER OF DAYS.
HE TURNED HIMSELF IN.
AND SHORTLY THERE AFTER, HE WAS RELEASED.
THE YOUNG MAN HE HIT DID DIE.
IT LEAVES US IN A SITUATION ON HOW THAT SHOULD BE HANDLED.
>> YES, IT DOES.
ONE OF THE BIG STORIES, ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS BY CHRISTINE BYERS' STORY, WHAT IS GOING TO BE DONE, SINCE 2017, FOUR OF THE FIVE HIT AND RUNS IN CHIPPEWA AND JAMIAS JAMIASON, YOU HAVE BIG CROWDS.
THERE IS NEGOTIATING, AND -- >> ALTERMAN.
>> HE IS WORK WITH THE ST. LOUIS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND THE TRAIL NET SPOKESPERSON HAS SAID THAT THERE ARE ANY NUMBER OF SOLUTIONS.
A CROSS WALK.
JUST A BLINKING CROSS WALK.
I WAS SURPRISED AND I DON'T NOW THE LEGAL PARTS OF IT.
THE SUSPECT WHO TOOK OFF AFTER A HIT AND RUN, AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS BEING CONSIDERED, TOOK AFTER A HIT AND RUN THAT HE WAS NOT A FLIGHT RISK AND WAS HELD OVER.
>> JUST TO CLARIFY IT, HE WAS NOT RELEASED.
HE WAS NOT CHARGED.
THE POLICE ARRESTED HIM, AND THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DECLINED TO CHARGE HIM.
>> HE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE ATTORNEY'S MIND.
SHE MAY HAVE A VALID REASON FOR NOT CHARGING HIM.
SHE DOESN'T SPEAK TO THE PRESS.
WE DON'T KNOW.
>> IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT PERSON CAN'T BE CHARGED LATER.
WHICH SEEMS AN OBVIOUS ONE.
IT SEEMS LIKE HE LEFT THE SCENE OF AN ACCIDENT.
THAT IS PRIMA FASCIA.
HE DIDN'T HANG AROUND.
AND SOMEONE ELSE HELD THE PERSON -- >> STAYED THERE.
>> -- AS YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO.
BILL HITS ON A POINT WHERE WE HAVE A PROBLEM AT THE NEWSPAPER OVER TIME WITH KIM GARDNER IS NOT TALKING TO ANYBODY TO EXPLAIN IT ALL.
AND I THINK THERE IS A LOGICAL -- ONE WOULD HOPE -- A LOGICAL EXPLANATION.
>> ON THE PART OF THE FAMILY, HE HAD THE CAR REPAIRED AND TOOK IT TO A BODY SHOP.
THERE WAS SOME THOUGHT THERE.
>> WE DON'T KNOW HE WAS DRIVING.
>> NO.
>> BUT HE DID TURN HIMSELF IN.
>> WE CAN SAY THAT HIS TRUCK DID IT.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS DRIVING.
>> I CONTACTED KIM GARDENER'S SPOKESPERSON WHO INDICATED THAT THE OFFICE SAYS, TO ME, THAT THIS NEEDS MORE INVESTIGATION.
MORE POLICE AT WORK.
THEY HAVE GOT TO BE ABLE TO PROVE, BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT THAT HE WAS THERE.
THEY TALKED TO ME -- >> NO -- >> TO YOUR POINT, I DON'T THINK IT IS NOT FAIR TO SAY THEY WON'T TALK TO THE MEDIA.
>> HAVE YOU HAD HER ON THE SHOW?
>> MANY TIMES.
YEAH.
>> YOU SHOULD URGE HER TO TALK TO THE PRESS.
>> IT IS NOT -- LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING -- >> SHARE IT, RAY.
>> URGE SAM PAGE TO TALK TO ME.
>> NO.
IT IS NOT LIKE MY E-MAIL IS LIT UP WITH STATEMENTS FROM THE PRESS.
>> LET ME BE CLEAR -- >> NO.
>> IT IS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY THING.
>> YEAH.
[LAUGHTER.]
>> I EXPRESSED THIS TO THEM.
IT IS NOT MY JOB TO ADVISE THEM.
THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT KIM GARDENER DOESN'T COMMUNITY AS WELL AS SHE SHOULD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE RIGHT.
BY THE WAY.
>> WE HAD THAT IN THE PAPER.
THAT HE HADN'T BEEN CHARGED AND THEY WANT MORE EVIDENCE.
>> THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS AN UNREASONABLE POSITION.
>> WHAT RAY SAID, I'M NOT A DEFENSE ATTORNEY, WE TALK ABOUT THAT HERE ON THE SHOW.
I ASKED MYSELF THE QUESTIONS OF WHAT WOULD BE ASKED.
I'M SORRY.
BUT IT IS COMING.
IT IS THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY'S JOB.
IF HE FELT THAT HIS CLIENT WAS GOING TO BE CHARGED, HE WILL BE NOT NICE ABOUT IT.
WHO YOU TALK TO IN THE MEDIA, WHATEVER.
WE WILL DOT EVERY T, DOT EVERY I.
>> ENOUGH SIGNATURES WERE PUT DOWN AND VOTING ON LEGALIZING MARIJUANA.
THEY HAVE IN THE MIDTERMS AND IT TAKES US TO ANOTHER HEIGHT AS WE MIGHT WANT TO SAY.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
WHO IT IS GOING TO HURT?
WHO IT IS GOING TO HELP?
>> IT IS GOING TO HELP THOSE WHO LIKE MARIJUANA.
EVERY STATE THAT HAS MEDICAL MARIJUANA GOES WITH RECREATIONAL.
THEY REALIZED THAT PEOPLE LIKE IT AND THE WORLD DOESN'T COME OFF OF THE AXES AND SPIN OUT OF CONTROL, AND POLITICIANS SEE MONEY IN IT.
IT IS A WIN/WIN/WIN ACROSS THE BOARD.
IT IS ABOUT TIME.
I WISH THEY WOULD CANCEL, OR MINIMIZE PEOPLE IN JAIL WHO ARE DOING TIME FOR THE THINGS THAT ARE NOW LEGAL.
AS FAR AS WHO IT IS GOING TO HELP?
I THINK DEMOCRATS WILL GET A TINY BOOST.
I THINK THE RACES COMING IN NOVEMBER WILL GET PEOPLE OUT.
I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR MARIJUANA, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE WILL SAY THAT.
OH, BY THE WAY, WHAT IS THE SENATE RACE?
I THINK THEY ARE ALREADY GEARED UP.
>> UNDERESTIMATE THE PEOPLE.
I THINK YOU OVER-ESTIMATE THE PEOPLE.
I THINK PEOPLE WILL HEAD DOWN TO VOTE ON THAT ONE ISSUE.
>> I THINK THERE WILL BE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO GENERALLY DON'T CARE TO VOTE WHO MIGHT THIS TIME SAY I WILL GO VISIT FOR POT.
AND THEY WILL TEND TO BE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING.
I'M NOT OPTIMISTIC.
>> IT IS INTERESTING WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR THE SENATE SEAT BEING EMPTY.
HER FAMILY MAKES ITS, MORE MADE ITS MONEY IN AN INDUSTRY THAT IS SOMEWHAT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A CONFLICT WITH THE MARIJUANA INDUSTRY.
I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS TO KNOW.
I MEAN, IT IS A LITTLE SIDE -- >> NO -- >> SUPPORT -- >> WHEN THIS ALL STARTED COMING UP, IT WAS ALCOHOL INDUSTRY -- >> THAT PUT THE STOP ON IT.
>> RIGHT.
>> [ALL TALKING AT ONCE].
EXACTLY THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT IS GOING -- >> RIGHT.
THEY WANTED TO KEEP THAT LEGAL DRUG.
>> THE POTATO CHIP INDUSTRY WANTED -- >> RIGHT.
AND TACO BELL INDUSTRY.
>> I THOUGHT I SAW SHE IS SUPPORTING IT.
>> I'M SURE SHE IS.
IT IS SO LONG -- >> WE HAVE TO STOP BEATING UP ON HER.
>> THAT'S SO FUNNY.
>> YOU ARE RIGHT.
>> YOU WERE WANT FAKING THE SHOTS.
>> YOU WOULDN'T SUPPORT HER BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T -- >> SHE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT CITIZENS UNITED.
>> I TELL YOU THEN AND NOW SHE IS THE CANDIDATE.
SHE IS STANDING BETWEEN MITCH MCCONNELL.
>> -- >> JOHN -- >> ALL RIGHT?
>> NOT GUILTY ALONG WITH LOUIS REED AND JEFFREY BOYD.
WE ARE NOT GUILTY.
HE CHANGED HIS MIND.
WHAT CHANGED HIS MIND, BILL?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
[LAUGHTER.]
>> ONE CAN ONLY SUSPECT.
ONE MIGHT.
>> HE IS HOPING TO MAKE SOME KIND OF A DEAL.
IF I WAS THE TWO, I WOULDN'T BE HAPPY AT MY CO-DEFENDANT IS TALKING AND MAYBE IT GOES FURTHER THAN THAT.
I MEAN, THERE WAS PUBLIC OFFICIAL A, WHAT WAS A BIGGER FISH AND SNIFFED AT THE BAIT.
SAID I DON'T WANT THIS IN CASH, I WANT IT IN CHECKS AND DIDN'T CASH THE CHECKS.
IF JOHN CAN HELP GET THE BIGGER FISH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
>> IS HE TALKING OR SINGING?
I MEAN, I THINK I CAN HEAR IT.
>> IN THIS ALL ON A FEDERAL LEVEL.
THEY ARE PRETTY CLEAR HOW THEY WORK.
AND I KNOW JOHN FANCIED HIMSELF IN THE BIGGER POND.
WHO CAN YOU GIVE ME BIGGER?
THERE WAS A GUY WEARING A WIRE THAT GOT THEM.
WHO DID THE SAME THING.
HE PROBABLY SAID, YOU WANT ME?
I CAN GIVE YOU -- THE FEDERALS HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOREVER.
>> WHAT ABOUT REDUCED TIME?
COULD HE SAY, I WILL SAVE US ALL OF THE TIME AND TROUBLE OF A TRIAL IF YOU SENTENCING ME TO A YEAR INSTEAD OF THREE.
>> ARE YOU SAY HE A CUTTING A DEAL?
[LAUGHTER.]
>> IT IS INTERESTING.
>> THAT BETTER BE A BIG FISH HE PULLING OUT OF THAT.
>> ALVIN, I'M STRUCK BY HOW PUBLIC THIS IS.
IN OTHER WORDS, A LOT OF TIMES, MOST OF THE TIME, THESE KINDS OF NEGOTIATIONS -- I'M NOT SAYING THEY SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT BE, ARE DONE OUTSIDE OF THE LIGHT OF DAY, THE LIKES OF US ARE TALKING ABOUT THEM ON TELEVISION.
I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION, OTHER THAN IT IS STRIKING THAT IT IS THIS PUBLIC AT THIS POINT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
>> WHEN PEOPLE IN PUBLIC ARE INDICTED IN THE WAY THERE WERE -- LOOK, THIS HADN'T HAPPENED IN DECADES IN ST. LOUIS AND NOT TO THIS DEGREE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW IT CLOSELY TO UNDERSTAND A; THE PLAYERS, B; THE GOVERNMENT, C; HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED.
>> YEAH.
>> I DON'T THINK IT IS SPECULATING THAT -- >> SOMETHING IS SINGING.
>>> JOE, 1.2 BILLION PROPOSED PROJECT.
WE HAVE HEARD THAT NAME AND LANDING AND DEVELOPMENT BEFORE.
DO YOU THINK THIS WILL WORK?
>> OH, SURE.
I MEAN -- HERE'S WHEN I HEAR THAT.
TWO TIMES THE POST DISPATCHED, IN 30 YEARS, THERE HAS BEEN AN DEVELOPER AND THEY SENT MYSELF AND A PHOTOGRAPHER AND WE TOOK PHOTOS AND WALKED AROUND AND IT WAS GOING TO BE THE NEXT BIG THING.
AND I REMEMBER DOING DOWN THERE AND SAYING IT IS SEPARATED FROM DOWNTOWN.
IT IS NOT CONVENIENT.
IT DOESN'T FLOW INTO ANYTHING.
THE HIGHWAYS CUT IT OFF.
I DON'T KNOW.
TEN YEARS LATER, THEY SEND ME AND A DIFFERENT PHOTOGRAPHER DOWN TO THE THING.
WE DID IT AGAIN.
GEEZ, IT STILL SEEMS SEPARATED.
GOD BLESS THEM FOR TRYING.
I WILL BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT THAT SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN THERE.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
IT IS INTERESTING.
IT IS SEPARATING FROM GREATER ST. LOUIS AND THE ARCH.
IT IS SEPARATED, THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY WAS INVOLVED.
THE ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN EXTRAORDINARILY INVOLVED IN PROMOTING ANY KIND OF REAL ESTATE DEALS AND TALKING ABOUT IT DOWNTOWN IN THE CENTRAL CORRIDOR.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.
IT IS NOT A CRITICISM.
YOU COULD DO A LOT WORSE THAN TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT THIS.
>> I WAS A BIG PROPONENT TO -- THE LAKE.
>> YEAH.
>> EVERYONE WANTS TO LIVE NEXT TO A LAKE.
WE CAN DIVERT SOME OF THE WATER AND RUN IT DOWN WASHINGTON AVENUE AND HAVE A VENICE.
>> YOU DID AN ARTICLE.
>> YES, I DID.
>> IT TURNED OUT THAT MANY, MANY YEARS AGO THERE WAS A POND AND THEY CLOSED IT DOWN BECAUSE OF DISEASES.
>> THERE WERE GOOD COLUMNS.
>> YOU HAVE TO WONDER ABOUT THIS NEW YORK OFFICES.
>> ONLY OFFICES IN NEW YORK AND ST. LOUIS.
>> IT IS 401 PINE STREET.
I DON'T KNOW.
IT IS GREAT TO SEE IT DEVELOPED.
>> IT COULD TAKE A DECADE.
LIKE YOU, WE'LL -- >> THE ONLY THING I WILL BE CONCERNED IF I AM SET DOWN WITH YET ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPHER.
[LAUGHTER.]
>> THERE IS ABOUT BILLIONS.
BILLIONS.
>> YEAH, BILLIONS.
>> IF THEY HAD NOT SAID DECADE.
I MAY HAVE GIVEN THEM A SHOT.
WE HAVE GOT TO TRY.
>> SURE.
>> YEAH.
>> YOU GOT TO BELIEVE.
>> NOBODY IS AGAINST IT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT.
>> WAKE US WHEN THE FIRST BILLION IS SPENT.
ALL RIGHT.
>> I THINK IT WILL BE GREAT.
>> TWO MINUTE WARNING.
>>> SAINT LOUIS CARDINALS SWEEP THE YANKEES.
>> FIRST PLACE, ON WE GO.
GOING TO WIN THE WORLD SERIES, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN?
HOW FAR?
>> I CRY EVERY TIME I SEE ALBERT.
IT IS LIKE A FAIRY TALE ENDING.
WE WERE THERE FOR THE WORLD'S LONGEST GAME.
>> OH, MY GOD.
>> IT WAS SO EXCITING.
IT WAS RAINING OVER HALF OF THE FIELD.
IT WAS CRAZY TO SEE.
IT WAS MY STEP-MOTHER'S BIRTHDAY.
I THINK THEY WILL GO ALL OF THE WAY.
I'M A SPORTS EXPERT.
>> MY DAUGHTER IS NOT A CARDINAL FAN.
SHE WENT ON THE FIRST BASE SIDE.
SHE SAID THAT BETWEEN INNINGS, ALBERT AND -- ADAM WERE STANDING THERE, UP ON THE RAILING, WATCHING THE GAME.
SHE SAID IT WAS EMOTIONAL FOR A NON -- >> FOR A CUB'S FAN.
>> WOW.
>> I HOPE THEY DO WELL.
>> I DO TOO.
>> I'M SORRY, IF ALBERT GETS WITHIN 5 MORE HOME RUNS OF THE MARK HE IS SHOOTING FOR, HE WILL COME BACK NEXT YEAR.
>> MAYBE -- WILL BE RETIRING.
HE WILL BE THE ONLY ONE.
>> THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING.
>> THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
>> WE GET TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN.
>> AND THE PITCHER CAN'T.
HE IS ONE OF THE BEST PITCHER.
>> LET GO THE LETTERS.
>>> SOME OF YOU APPEAR TO BE SURPRISED AT THE NUMBER OF VOTES DR.
PAGE AND BUSH GOT.
I WAS AWARE OF THE WORK DONE TO GET THE SOURCES TO OUR COMMUNITY.
OUR VOTES REPRESENT A THANK YOU.
>>> INSPIRING TO HEAR THE STORY OF JASON KANDER AND HIS STRUGGLE WITH PTSD.
WE COULD USE MORE OF THOSE IN POLITICS.
I HOPE HE RUNS FOR OFFICE AGAIN.
FROM TREVOR JOHNSON.
>> SENT IT TO 3655 OLIVE STREET, SAINT LOUIS, MISSOURI.
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>> WE WANT TO SAY GOODBYE TO SIDNEY.
OUR INTERN THIS SUMMER.
I WORKED WITH HER BEFORE THE SHOW.
SHE BROUGHT THESE WONDERFUL CAPTIONS TO YOU.
SUCCESS AT INDIANA UNIVERSITY IN YOUR JUNIOR YEAR.
WHAT ARE YOU MAJORING?
>> FILM TELEVISION.
DIGITAL PRODUCTION.
RUN!
HIDE!
.
DON'T DO IT!
.
[LAUGHTER.]
>> JOE, THANK YOU FOR SITTING FOR ME, WHO IS SITTING IN FOR CHARLIE.
>> BILL AND I WILL BE BACK.
WE WILL TALK TO THE SUPERINTENDENT.
WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT BECAUSE SCHOOL IS GETTING READY TO GET STARTED.
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