>>>ANNOUNCER: DONNYBROOK IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORT OF BETSY AND THOMAS PATTERSON FOUNDATION AND THE MEMBERS OF NINE PBS.

>>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US FOR THIS EDITION OF DONNYBROOK.

AND WE'LL TELL YOU HOW TO JOIN DONNYBASH.

IT IS OUR LIVE BROADCAST TO RAISE MONEY FOR PBS.

FIRST, LET'S MEET THOSE WHO ARE AROUND THE BIG BROWN TABLE.

>> WOODEN.

>> WOODEN TABLE.

THAT'S A GOOD ONE.

>> WENDY WIESE IS BACK FROM THE JENNIFER AND WENDY SHOW ON THE BIG 550.

>> BILL MCCLELLAN AND THE POST DISPATCH.

>> RAY HARTMANN, FROM THE RIVERFRONT TIMES AND ST. LOUIS IN THE KNOW ON 550.

AND EDITOR FROM THE ST. LOUIS AMERICAN ALVIN REID.

>> THE THREE ALDERMAN WHO EARLIER IN THE YEAR SENTENCED BECAUSE OF BRIBERY.

TWO OF THEM GOT 45 MONTHS AND 36 MONTHS FOR BRIBERY.

>> OUR IMPRESSION ON BEING IN THE COURTROOM THIS WEEK?

>> I THOUGHT THE WHOLE CASE WAS SURREAL.

THERE WAS SOMETHING REALLY STRANGE HERE.

THE ALDERMAN TAKING THE MONEY FROM SOMEONE WHO IS UNDER FEDERAL INDICTMENT ALREADY AND YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD HAVE GOOGLED THE GUY.

[LAUGHTER.]

AND THEY GIVE HIM CASH FROM THE CASH MACHINE.

AND IT IS, LIKE, WHERE DO YOU GET THOSE?

IT IS AT THE FEDERAL INFORMANT SUPPLY STORE.

[LAUGHTER.]

>> ALARM BELLS SHOULD HAVE GONE OFF FOR SOMEONE.

THE FIRST FELLOW THAT WAS SENTENCED WAS MA'AMMED AND I DON'T KNOW HIM.

HE SEEMS LIKE HE HAS ALWAYS DONE SOMETHING DUMB.

HE HAD A SPEEDING TICKET AND HE HAD A WARRANT OUT FOR HIM.

HE TWEETED SOMETHING.

I CAN SEE HIM DOING SOMETHING SILLY.

JEFFREY BOYD AND LOUIS REED HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.

I HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT THIS SUNDAY.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAKE FUN OF POLITICIAN.

THAT'S A COMPETITIVE WORLD.

THOSE PEOPLE HAVE ENEMIES AND JEFF BOYD AND THE OTHERS DIDN'T GIVE ME THE IMPRESSION OF BEING DUMB, CAPABLE OF DOING SOMETHING THIS RIDICULOUS AND YET THEY DID.

AND THE JUDGE, THE FIRST TIME I HAVE BEEN IN HIS COURT, STEVEN CLARK.

HE IS A TRUMP APPOINTEE, A FEDERAL SOCIETY GUY.

I DON'T WHAT THAT MEANS.

BUT, HE DID NOT LIKE JOHN COLINS MA'AMMED.

THE VICTIMS CAN SPEAK AT THIS THINGS AND SINCE THIS WAS A PUBLIC CORRUPTION TRIAL, THE WHOLE WORLD IS A VICTIM AGAINST THE SYSTEM.

HE HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE SPEAK WHO SPEAK WELL AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT A POOR ALDERMAN COLINS WAS.

AND ONE FELLOW CAME UP AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE LIVES THIS THE WARD.

A WHITE GUY WITH A CANE, A WHITE GUY.

I SAID I'M A VIETNAM GUY.

THROW THE BOOK AT HIM!

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT HAD TO DO WITH ANYTHING.

THAT WAS ODD.

>> THEY HAVE 4 YEARS AND 3 YEARS RESPECTIVELY.

WHEN STEVE GOT HIS FOUR YEARS, HE SERVED LESS THAN TWO.

>> I THINK THAT'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN.

FOR ALL THOSE WHO LIKE OH, SEEMS HARSH.

THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE GOT THE SAME THING.

I DON'T THINK THEY WILL SERVE THE FULL FOUR YEARS.

IT IS STILL PUNISHMENT.

AND I THINK IT IS PUNISHMENT DESERVED.

YOU DON'T FOLLOW THIS CATEGORY, I DIDN'T WANT TO BE SITTING THERE LIKE A VULT VULT VULTER.

I DIDN'T WANT TO SIT THERE, BECAUSE IT WAS A BAD DAY.

YOU ARE GOING TO SET SENTENCED.

LEAVE THE COAT WITH THE FUR.

>> YOU LOOK LIKE FRENCH FRENCHIE.

>> IT IS A SAD DAY ALL THE WAY AROUND.

THE JUDGE SHOULD SAY CAN YOU STOP CRYING SO I CAN SENTENCE YOU.

I WOULDN'T WALK INTO THE COURTROOM LOOK -- >> YEAH, LOOKING FLY.

>> I AM GOING TO GO TO A CHRISTMAS PARTY.

IT IS NOT GOOD FELLOWS.

NOW TAKE ME TO JAIL.

>> THESE GUYS, YOU KNOW, IN EXCHANGE FOR MONEY, THEY -- >> AND NOT A LOT OF MONEY.

>> -- WOULD PAY FEWER TAXES FOR THE SCHOOLS.

THEY ROBBED THE TAXPAYER.

THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN MORE THAN THREE OR FOUR YEARS.

>> I WAS OKAY WITH THE LENGTH OF TIME.

LOUIS REED WAS HEARTBREAKING FOR ME.

I THOUGHT HE WAS IMPRESSIVE.

INCREDIBLY IMPRESSIVE IN PUBLIC FORUMS, WHEN HE IS MAKING HIS CASE, WHEN HE IS OUT TALKING TO VOTERS.

IMPRESSIVE.

IF YOU ARE SMART ENOUGH TO GET THERE, YOU ARE SMART ENOUGH TO STAY THERE.

THIS REALLY SHOCKED ME.

LIKE YOU SAID, BILL, THIS IS LIKE SOMETHING THAT HE IS TOO BRIGHT TO ENGAGE IN.

>> I SHOULD SAY THIS TOO, AS FAR AS THE TIME GOES, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE TALKED TO THAT HAVE DONE WHITE COLLAR CRIMES AND HAVE GOTTEN OUT, IT ISN'T THE CAMP THAT IS SO BAD.

IT IS HNOT THE TIME SO BAD, ONCE YOU GET OUT, YOU CAN'T FIND WORK.

PEOPLE WON'T HIRE YOU.

YOU HAVE TO BE AN ENTREPRENEUR.

LOUIS REED IS 60.

IT IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT FOR HIM.

BOYD IS 58 OR 9.

>> HOW CAN LOUIS REED SAY DON'T JUDGE THE SYSTEM BASED ON MY ACTIONS.

WHEN HE REPRESENTED THE SYSTEM?

>> DON'T FORGET, MEG AN GREEN WHEN WE WERE THINKING ABOUT BUILDING A NEW STADIUM THAT HER FELLOW ALDERMAN WERE TAKING BRIBES.

PEOPLE LIKE ME LAUGHED AT HER.

WHO KNOWS WHAT SHE KNEW.

>> I WAS WITH THOMAS APP AND WORKED FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND HE OUTLINED THE ANTI-CRIME PROGRAM CALLED FOCUS DETERRENCE.

AND LOUIS REED LISTENED TO IT AND IGNORED IT AND WENT WITH SOMETHING OUT OF CHICAGO WHERE HOMICIDES ARE SKY HIGH.

AND NOW THEY HAVE BEEN INDICTED FOR HIDING IMPORTANT INFORMATION IN A MURDER CASE.

WHY DID, FOR EXAMPLE, LOUIS REED -- YOU WONDER WHY.

NOW THAT WE KNOW HE HAS BEEN TAKING MONEY, YOU WONDER ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> I SAID -- HE IS A FRIEND.

NOT A SOCIAL FRIEND.

I FEEL SAD FOR HIM.

I THOUGHT THE PUNISHMENT RANGE WAS ROUGH.

IT IS HARD WE DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF KNOWING WHAT OTHER PEOPLE GET.

IT IS HARD TO PICK A NUMBER AND SAY THAT'S RIGHT OR WRONG.

IT IS REASONABLE.

AS FAR AS PEOPLE GETTING OUT EARLY, THE SYSTEM IS SET UP, TO REWARD PEOPLE FOR GOOD BEHAVIOR.

>> I DON'T KNOW HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

>> I DO.

>> I DON'T EITHER.

I DON'T.

YOU HAVE TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO BE GOOD CITIZENS WITHIN THE PRISON AND DO THE THINGS YOU ASK THEM TO DO.

AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

AND SOME OF THESE MORE RECENT ONES, COVID-19 REASONS FOR PEOPLE GETTING OUT.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DID THE CRIME, THEY GOOD DO THE CRIME.

>> I DON'T -- HAL DIDN'T SE SATISFIED WITH THE TIME.

>> HE IS A GOOD PROSECUTOR.

>> CLARK I WAS TOLD TO SENTENCE ABOVE THE GUIDELINE.

>> GOLDSMITH IS A GOOD -- I DON'T THINK ANYONE SHOULD QUESTION.

>> NOBODY IS QUESTIONING.

>> NO.

>> AND HE SENTENCED STEVE STINGER.

HE GOT OUT EARLY BECAUSE HE WAS IN A DRUG REHAB PROGRAM.

>> IT IS REASONABLE.

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

IF YOU GET 48 MONTHS, YOU SHOULD SERVE MOST OF IT.

>> I CAN SEE SOME CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

>>> SPEAKING OF LAW AND ORDER, DAN MCLAUGHLIN, A WELL-LIKED BROADCASTER, HAS BEEN ARRESTED FOR DUI.

THIS IS HIS THIRD TIME.

HE WAS GUILTY THE FIRST TWO TIMES AND NOW HE HAS BEEN SUSPENDED FROM HIS JOB BEING THE PLAY BY PLAY GUY.

WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO HIM?

>> I AM FRIENDS WITH HIM ALWAYS.

IT IS A GOOD NIGHT FOR ME.

HE PLAYED BASKETBALL.

HE IS A GREAT BROADCASTER.

AS FAR AS THE CARDINALS GO, IT IS BUSINESS -- IT IS NOT THE CARDINAL'S JOB TO PUNISH HIM.

BECAUSE HE IS THE VOICE AND THE FACE OF THE TEAM, IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT IS A DIFFERENT DECISION.

IT IS NOT THEIR JOB TO PUNISH HIM.

IT IS THE JOB OF THE LAW.

WHERE I'M -- I DON'T CARE -- HOPEFULLY, I WOULD BE HAPPY IF HE KEPT HIS JOB.

ON THE SIDE OF THE LAW, I THINK WE YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DON'T SEE ENOUGH, WHETHER IT IS HIS THIRD OR SECOND, WHATEVER HE DID.

WE NEED TAKEAWAY THE DRIVER LICENSES OF PEOPLE FROM THE FIRST ONE ON.

PEOPLE NEED TO LOSE THEIR DRIVE PRIVILEGES.

I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG.

BECAUSE, IT HAS GOT TO BE DONE LAWFULLY.

AND TECHNICALLY, THIS IS HIS SECOND NOT HIS THIRD.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OFTEN.

PARTICULARLY REPEAT OFFENDERS.

>> GETTING BACK TO DAN, I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY WAY THAT CARDINALS OR VALLEY SPORTS CAN KEEP HIM ON.

I DON'T KNOW HIM.

HE HEAR HE IS A NICE FELLOW.

THIS IS HIS THIRD TIME.

AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN, YOU KNOW, STOPS WHERE THEY ARE MONITORING AND THEY STOP YOU.

AND THIS PERSON IS OVER THE LINE.

ONE -- THE FIRST ONE, PEOPLE WERE CALLING ABOUT AN CRAZY DRIVER.

AND HE WASN'T RUNNING INTO ANYONE.

AND THEN THE SECOND TIME PEOPLE WERE CALLING TOO.

THAT IS A MENACE ON THE ROAD.

THIS IS A DISEASE.

IT ISN'T HIS FAULT.

BUT YOU CAN'T SAY THAT WITH DRUNK DRIVERS.

>> I'M NOT SAYING THAT.

>> I KNOW YOU ARE NOT.

IF YOU ARE SAYING IT IS NOT HIS FAULT BECAUSE HE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, IT IS LIKE, IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN.

AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.

I DON'T THINK THE CARDINALS AND VALLEY SPORTS HAVE A CHOICE.

I THINK THEY HAVE TO LET HIM GO.

>> YEAH, YOU CAN'T TAKE -- YOU CANNOT, IF YOU ARE THE CARDINALS AND VALLEY SPORTS WITH THIS KIND OF ESTABLISHED BEHAVIOR, YOU JUST CAN'T ROLL THE DICE AGAIN.

EVERYONE WANTS HIM TO BE WELL AND THE BEST VERSION HE CAN BE.

IF I'M IN CARDINALS OR VALLEY SPORTS YOU HAVE A CLEAR DECISION BECAUSE THE NEXT TIME, GOD FORBID, IF ANYONE IS HURT, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE.

>> IF HE HIT SOMEONE, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN CHARGED.

WHERE YOU WERE COMING FROM?

IT WAS A FUNCTION.

THE CARDINALS ARE NOT PLAYING RIGHT NOW.

YOU KNOW, I JUST -- A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT.

ONE IS -- ALL RIGHT, MAYBE PEOPLE OUT THERE OVER THE LAST, YOU KNOW, DECADE, HAVE THREE AND WE NEVER HEARD ABOUT IT.

WHAT IS THE REACTION DID THEY KEEP THEIR JOB?

HOW DID THAT TURN OUT?

AND TWO; THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN TOO LONG AGO.

THE CARDINALS LOST AN ACTIVE PLAYER TO A PLAYER.

>> JOSH.

>> IF ANY FRANCHISE SHOULD SAY WE ARE NOT HAVING THIS!

.

I'M SORRY.

AFTER THE SECOND ONE, YOU WOULD THING THAT THEY MAY HAVE SAID WE ARE DIFFERENT.

>> I'M NOT GOING TO CRITICIZE IF THEY DO.

I THINK OUR SOCIETY IS WAY TOO EASY IN GENERAL ON HOW WE PUNISH THIS.

I'M NOT BACKING OFF OF THAT.

I THINK WE'VE TOO MANY.

ONCE YOU HAVE A COUPLE.

AS FAR AS HIM LOSING HIS JOB, IT IS A PUBLIC RELATION.

>> PUBLIC RELATIONS DECISION?

>> LOSING HIS JOB IS THE LEAST OF HIS CONCERN.

HE IS FACING PRISON TIME.

>> I DIDN'T SAY -- >> HE IS NOT CALLING GAMES, RAY.

>> OBVIOUSLY.

I DON'T -- I -- >> HE HAS TO PAY A PRICE.

HE SHOULD LOSE HIS LICENSE.

>> HE IS NOT GOING TO JAIL?

>> YOU THINK THAT!

?

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PUT HIM IN JAIL.

YOU WANT TO BET?

I'M NOT SAYING RIGHT, WRONG, IN DIFFERENT.

>> YOU COMMITTED A FELONY.

>> I DON'T THINK HE IS GOING TO JAIL.

>> HE IS GOING TO MISS THE FIRST GAME OF A DOUBLEHEADER.

>> I'M NOT MINIMIZING THE SYSTEM, HE IS NOT GOING TO JAIL.

>> THIS IS NOT PUBLIC RELATIONS.

>> RAY, I THINK OUR IDEA -- >> I THINK PEOPLE -- >> [ALL TALKING AT ONCE].

I THINK MORE PEOPLE ON THE FIRST DEFENSE SHOULD BE SUSPENDED.

>> YEAH, I AGREE.

>> IF YOU GET A DUI WITHOUT SOME LOSS.

>> IT IS AN ODD DYNAMIC WITH THE SPORTS PEOPLE.

EVERYBODY AT THE BALL GAME WAS HAVING A BEER.

WAS AT THE SPORTS BAR.

HOW DO THEY GET HOME?

THEY ARE DRIVING.

TONY LAROUSO WHEN HE GOT HIS DUI, HE GOT A STANDING OVATION.

>> IF YOU ARE GOING TO PUNISH HIM, DAVID -- HE WAS 23.

AND HE HAD A .23.

AND HE HAD MULTIPLE DUI'S.

IF DAN MCLAUGHLIN WORKED IN THE FRONT OFFICE, NO ONE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT FIRING HIM.

>> OH NO!

>> NO!

>> [ALL TALKING AT ONCE].

>> I WOULDN'T BLAME THE CARDINALS.

IF HE WAS -- >> IF THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE ST. LOUIS CARDINALS -- >> I DIDN'T SAY THE GENERAL MANAGER.

>> -- ONE OF THE TEAMS.

>> IF HE WORKED AS A REPORTER.

>> HE IS THE VOICE AND THE FACE.

>> HOLD THE THOUGHT BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE IN JUST A MOMENT WITH THIS AND OTHER TOPICS.

BUT FIRST, WE WANT TO INVITE YOU TO DONNYBASH, NEXT JUNE.

WE GO FOR THE DETAILS.

>> THANK YOU.

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I'M SO EXCITED TO BE WITH YOU AS WE ENJOY ANOTHER MAJOR DISCUSSION WITH THE DONNYBROOKERS AND YOU HAVE AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE DONNYBROOKERS AT THE SHELDON HALL.

WHEN YOU BECOME A MEMBER, YOU ARE HELPING US CREATE CONTENT ON WHAT YOU ARE WATCHING AND ALL CREATURES GREAT AND SMALL, MS. SCARLETT AND THE DUKE.

IT IS ONLY DONE BECAUSE OF MEMBERS AND VIEWERS LIKE YOU.

SO, WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.

LET'S SLIDE INTO THE THANK YOU GIFTS.

>> 75 DOLLAR, ONE TIME, YOU WILL RECEIVE A TICKET TO DONNYBASH, OR YOU WILL RECEIVE THE CAMPFIRE MUG.

I'M ABSOLUTELY LOVING THIS MUG.

ONE-TIME PURCHASE.

A TICKET OR THE MUG.

>> AND YOU HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE BOTH AT THE 12 DOLLAR A MONTH.

TWO TICKETS AND THE MUG.

THAT'S RIGHT, TWO TICKETS.

YOU CAN BRING OUR SPOUSE, A FRIEND, YOU KNOW, OR A STRANGER OFF OF THE STREET AND SAY I HAVE THIS AWESOME SHOW I WANT TO GO TO.

YOU WOULD LOVE IT.

YOU GET THE CHANCE TO SEE DONNYBASH LIVE ON JUNE 15, 2023, 6 P.M. AT THE SHELDON CONCERT HALL.

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TEXT TO GIVE, OR GO TO 9 PBS.ORG.

>> LET'S GO BACK TO DONNYBROOK.

[MUSIC.].

>> WE HOPE YOU SEE YOU THERE.

IF YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT GETTING US A HOLIDAY GIFT AND GET THE TICKETS TO DONNYBASH.

>> WE DIDN'T MENTION THIS LAST WEEK.

FOR WHATEVER HOLIDAY YOU CELEBRATE, YOU WANT TO GET THE LOVED ONE ON THE SHOPPING LIST A GREAT GIFT.

MY MOM AND DAD HAVE EVERYTHING THEY NEED.

HOW ABOUT AN EXPERIENCE THEY HAVE NEVER HAD, THAT IS A TRIP TO THE SHELDON FOR A LIVE BROADCAST OF DONNYBROOK.

>> I AGREE.

IT IS THE HOLIDAY SEASON, A GREAT GIFT.

PEOPLE WHO GO FOR THE FIRST TIME, IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS YOU DON'T KNOW AND AFTER, I REALLY ENJOYED THAT.

THAT'S WHAT I HEAR A LOT.

THAT'S SATISFYING.

IT IS LIKE, I HOPE THEY DIDN'T HATE IT.

[LAUGHTER.]

I AM GLAD YOU LIKED IT.

>> WE DON'T GIVE TOO MANY REFUNDS.

>> YOU GET TO KEEP YOUR MUG.

>> 144 DOLLARS FOR TWO TICKETS.

IT IS OUTRAGEOUSLY, IT IS CHEAP.

>> SO CHEAP.

SO REASONABLE.

IF THAT'S A PHASE.

>> I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING THE OTHER WAY.

>> WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO US HERE?

[LAUGHTER.]

>> WE HEAR FROM SO MANY PEOPLE SAYING WE GAVE THIS TO EACH OTHER FOR CHRISTMAS OR OUR ANNIVERSARY.

THAT MEANS THIS IS A ROMANTIC EVENING.

OCCASION.

FOR A COUPLE WHO HAS BEEN MARRIED A LONG TIME.

>> MAYBE.

I THINK IT IS FUN.

>> PEOPLE LOVE DONNYBROOK.

>> YOU GET -- >> IT IS A GREAT VENUE.

>> EXACTLY.

>> YOU ARE DRESSING UP, COMING OUT TO MIDTOWN.

SHELDON IS A GREAT PLACE TO BE.

>> AND THERE IS AN ELECTRICITY THERE.

>> LIVE TV.

YOU ARE ON TV.

>> YOU ARE ON TV.

PEOPLE GET A KICK OUT OF THAT.

>> AND PEOPLE SEEING STRIKE OF FRIENDSHIPS TOO.

>> WE ARE THE BENEFICI BENEFICIARIES.

IT IS GREAT TO MEET SO MANY PEOPLE AND PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT OUR PROGRAM FOR SO LONG.

EVERYBODY IS NICE.

YOU CAN TELL IS LIKE, WELL, I NEVER AGREE WITH YOU, OF COURSE.

BUT...

IT IS STILL -- >> THEY ARE NICE.

>> I DON'T AGREE WITH ME EARLY MOST OF THE TIME.

>> IT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

>> IT IS.

>> AS WELL AS FOR US.

>> PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL THE NUMBER YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN AND JOIN US JUNE 15.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

>>> I READ RECENTLY THAT IT IS PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE TO SAY THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.

>> REALLY?

>> THE WALL STREET JOURNAL SAID DON'T SAY THAT IN A MEMO.

>> THE PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE STUFF?

>> DON'T GIVE US AN EXAMPLE.

>> [LAUGHTER.]

>> I DON'T WANT TO BE PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE.

>> WE WILL BE AT THE SHNOOK S WE WILL BE RINGING THE BELL.

THAT IS LA DUE ROAD.

>> WHO DO WE GO TO KNOW?

I THINK IT IS YOU, BILL.

NICK IS AHEAD OF ASCENSION HEALTH IN ST. LOUIS AND STARTED THE ASCENSION GOLF TOURNAMENT AND THEY RAISED A MILLION DOLLARS TO CHARITY.

HE THINKS THAT SPORTS AND PHILANTHROPY IS A GOOD PARTNERSHIP.

HE SAID IN THIS PODCAST THAT HE THINKS ST. LOUIS NEEDS A NATIONWIDE CAMPAIGN, ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN, ON TV, SOCIAL MEDIA, PRINT OF COURSE, AND THE IDEA WOULD BE TO SELL FOLKS ON WHAT THEY ARE MISSING HERE IN ST. LOUIS.

THE GREAT RESTAURANTS, THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

>> THE OCEAN.

[LAUGHTER.]

>> MAYBE NOT THE OCEAN.

>> THE MOUNTAINS.

>> DO YOU THINK THERE SHOULD BE A CAMPAIGN?

>> IF MY BOSS THINGS SO, THEN I THINK SO.

[LAUGHTER.]

>> I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GO WITH THAT.

IT SEEMS LIKE FIRST YOU HAVE TO IMPROVE THINGS A BIT BEFORE YOU CAN SAY COME ON DOWN.

>> I DISAGREE WITH THE FELLOW FOUNDER.

I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA.

I HAVE SEEN THE OPPORTUNITIES AT THE RADIO STATION AND SEE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE WITH THE ASCENSION GOLF TOURNAMENT.

IT IS REMARKABLE HOW THEY HAVE BUILT THAT TO RAISE AWARENESS.

IT IS A GREAT EVENT.

TO SEE THE SENIORS AND ALL OF THAT.

IT IS A GREAT IDEA.

I THINK HE IS RIGHT.

WE HAVE -- WE HAVE THIS COMPLECOMPLEX.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER, YOU WON'T FIND A BETTER PLACE WITH BETTER FOOD.

OR BETTER CULTURAL INSTITUTIONS.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS.

WE ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS PROBLEMS.

EVERYONE ELSE HAS CRIME PROBLEMS.

IF IT IS DONE RIGHT AND REALISTICALLY, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH DOING THAT.

>> AS FAR AS THE CAMPAIGN, I'M ALL FOR IT.

IF I'M IN CHARGE OF IT, THE FIRST WORD, WHAT PROBLEMS?

MY COMMERCIAL WILL SAY WE DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS IN ST. LOUIS.

WE HAVE BABY DUCKS.

AND HOW INEXPENSIVE TO LIVE HERE.

ONE WOULD BE THIS AND ONE WOULD BE THAT AND CARDINALS, THE BLUES.

>> THE ZOO.

>> THE ZOO WOULD BE -- [ALL TALKING AT ONCE].

>> THE FREE ZOO.

>> I AM BEING VERY, VERY HONEST, IN 2018, WE PAID VERY LARGE SUM TO HAVE OUR DAUGHTER'S WEDDING AT THE BALLPARK HILTON IN DOWNTOWN.

IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL AFFAIR.

24 HOURS LATER THERE WAS A SHOOTING AT PATIO BRIAN.

WE HAVE TO DO MORE WORK BEFORE WE PULL PEOPLE IN.

I AGREE WITH BILL.

>> THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE WHOLE THING.

>> WE HAVE TERRIBLE THINGS HAPPEN.

I GUARANTEE YOU.

RIGHT.

NEW YORK AIN'T STOPPING TO ADVERTISE NEW YORK.

CHICAGO HAS -- >> THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS NEW YORK.

>> [ALL TALKING AT ONCE].

>> THEY HAD A HORRIBLE SHOOTING.

>> I HAD A CUP OF COFFEE WITH A HEAD-HUNTER -- >> ARE YOU LOOKING FOR WORK?

>> NO, NO, NO.

SERIOUSLY, SHE TOLD ME THAT TWO FEMALE CANDIDATES FOR JOBS REJECTED IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO RAISE THEIR DAUGHTERS IN A STATE WITH OUR ABORTIONS LAWS.

>> THAT'S DIFFERENT.

>> YOU DON'T PUT THAT IN THERE?

>> YOU DON'T PUT THAT IN YOUR CAMPAIGN, OF COURSE.

>> -- NOT CRIME.

[ALL TALKING AT ONCE].

>> HEY, MISSOURI, THAT'S ILLINOIS.

>> THAT'S THE PRICE YOU PAY AS A STATE.

YES, I THINK IT IS VALID IF THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IT.

IT IS VALID IN THE OTHER DIRECTION IF SOMEONE WAS OPPOSED TO ABORTIONS.

MY POINT IS, YOU CANNOT, AGAIN, AS A TOURISM PERSON ONCE UPON A TIME, YOU HAVE TO PROMOTE YOURSELF.

>> WENDY BROUGHT UP CRIME.

AND YOU WENT TO THE FORUM THAT WAS HELD BY THE ST. LOUIS WHERE POLICE CHIEFS EXPLAINED THEMSELVES.

AND THERE ARE FOUR CANDIDATES BACK IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR JOHN HAYDEN SAYS HE IS GIVING UP.

IT HAS BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE HAVE HAD A FULL TIME POLICE CHIEF.

ONE WAS HERE AND ONE WAS HERE VIA ZOOM.

DO WE HAVE GOOD CANDIDATES?

>> I THINK WE DO.

IT IS INTERESTING THE GENTLEMAN FROM WILMINGTON, THAT WAS THE FIRST POLICE CHIEF FROM WILMINGTON IN THE HISTORY OF THE CITY.

THAT WAS TRACY.

>> RIGHT.

HE WORKED IN NEW YORK AND CHICAGO AND HE HAD FOUND SUCCESS AS FAR AS THE STATISTICS WE QUOTED HE HAD FOUND SUCCESS IN REDUCING CRIME IN WILMINGTON.

HE THEN ANNOUNCES REGARDLESS OF GETTING THIS JOB OR NOT I'M DONE THERE.

AIN'T NOBODY WEEPING.

>> HE HAD A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE.

>> AND WHY WOULD WE WANT A GUY -- >> QUESTIONS ABOUT DIVERSITY.

>> I TELL YOU WHY.

WE KICKED JOE TORY OUT OF THIS TOWN AND HE WON FOUR OUT OF THE FIVE.

>> HE WAS HERE.

>> YEAH.

SOMETIMES -- >> THE CORNERSTONE REJECTED.

>> I THOUGHT THE CANDIDATE, BOONE, FROM NORFOLK, HE WAS -- HE, I THINK, WAS THE BEST AS FAR AS A CHIEF BEING POSITIVE AND FORTHWITH.

>> HE WOULD START THE COMMERCIAL CAMPAIGN.

>> THERE YOU GO.

AT BEING GOOD ON TV AND HANDLING THAT SIDE OF IT.

HE WOULD BE GOOD AT THAT.

HE HAD A GOOD STORY ABOUT HOW HE GREW UP UNDER BAD CIRCUMSTANCES.

WAS NOT FRIENDS WITH THE POLICE.

AND LEFT AND I THINK HE LEFT JERSEY CITY, NEW JERSEY.

AND SAW A POLICE OFFICER ON THE SIDELINES AT A FOOTBALL GAME AND HE SAID I WANT TO DO THAT.

HE HAD AN INTERESTING STORY.

I DON'T WANT TO DISCOUNT MICHAEL SACKS AND HE IS A PRIEST AND THE COMPASSION HE SHOWED AFTER THE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS.

AND THE JOB HE HAS DONE, THAT CAN'T BE DISCOUNTED.

AND THE OTHER CANDIDATE WAS ON ZOOM.

IT WAS RAINY AND COLD OUTSIDE.

>> WHY WOULD SOMEONE WANT TO COME HERE AND TAKE THIS POSITION?

YOU HAVE A DIVIDED POLICE FORCE, ACTUALLY RIGHT NOW BOTH ASSOCIATIONS THE POLICE OFFICER'S ASSOCIATION -- >> AT ODDS WITH THE MAYOR.

>> -- WANT THE STATE TO TAKE OVER.

>> THEY HAVE NOT SAID THAT.

I'M NOT SURE THEY SAID THAT.

>> AND YOU HAVE 800 POLICE HAVE LEFT SINCE 2017 AND THEY HAVE MOUNT EXIT, WHERE THEY PUT THEIR UNIFORMS ON A PILE AND IT IS 7 FEET HIGH.

>> I COVER A LOT OF THINGS FOR DIFFERENT CITIES.

>> OH YEAH.

>> NO, I DO.

AND EVERYONE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTRY COULD JUST ABOUT, I WOULD THINK, WOULD ANSWER TO THOSE KINDS OF CRITICISM THAT THEY HAVE TROUBLE RETAINING PEOPLE RIGHT NOW ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THEY HAVE MORAL PROBLEMS, AND RACISM.

THEY ARE NOT UNIQUE TO ST. LOUIS.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT IS A CHALLENGING JOB, IT IS NOT THE ONLY ONE.

AND IT IS THE MOST CHALLENGING JOB.

AND WHAT I DID LIKE ABOUT THIS, YOU HAD A GREAT ASSESSMENT.

I WILL DEFER TO ALVIN ON THE SPECIFICS.

BUT THE PROCESS I LIKE, THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A SENSE THAT THE POLICE OFFICERS, THE POTENTIAL POLICE CHIEFS SHOULD PRESENT THEMSELVES AND MAKE THEIR CASE.

I LOVE THAT.

>> I WAS ENCOURAGED THAT 150 PEOPLE SHOWED UP.

>> IT WAS NOT THE NICEST NIGHT.

I DID NOT KNOW WHO WAS GOING TO BE -- IT WAS AT THE B A SHOAWN.

>> THE MEDIA COULDN'T ASK QUESTIONS -- >> [ALL TALKING AT ONCE].

>> ASK QUESTIONS -- >> NO!

.

>> NOBODY -- [YELLING].

>> YOU HAVE SUCH A NEGATIVE ATTITUDE GOING INTO THIS.

IT IS NUTS.

>> WHEN ERICK ADAMS WAS ELECTED MAYOR OF NEW YORK IN 2021, HE HAD HIS NEW POLICE COMMISSIONER BY DECEMBER.

AND HAYDEN QUIT 18 MONTHS AGO AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE A FULL TIME.

>> SOMETHING ABOUT NEW YORK.

>> BECAUSE I GOT A LOT OF ISSUES.

>> I WILL SAY THIS; SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO TAKE THE JOB BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE A POLICE CHIEF OF A MAJOR METROPOLITAN AREA.

I WANT TO BE A HEAD COACH.

IT IS DALLAS.

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO FIRE BILL BELICHICK.

>> YOU CAN IMPROVE ON THAT.

>> WHEN THERE ARE PROBLEMS THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

AND YOUR NEXT JOB YOU MAY BE A POLICE CHIEF OF L.A. OR SOMETHING.

>> THESE ARE JUST PROBLEMS.

IN FIVE, SIX YEARS, SAM DODDSON WAS SAYING HE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS.

NOW WE ARE DOWN MORE!

.

>> -- >> WE SHOULDN'T HAVE A DYNAMIC POLICE CHIEF AND A POLICE FORCE?

>> WHO WOULD WANT THE JOB?

>> CHARLIE?

CHARLIE?

>> [ALL TALKING AT ONCE].

>> LET'S BE HONEST -- >> WHO WANTS A JOB IN JOURNALISM?

OR AT THE TV STATIONS?

YOU ARE LOOKING AROUND, EVERYBODY IS LEAVING.

THEY HAVE TWO PEOPLE DOWN THERE.

PEOPLE ARE LEAVING THE MEDIA.

YOUNG PEOPLE ARE SAYING, NO, THIS IS MY CHANCE.

>> TO BE CONTINUED.

WE HAVE A LOT OF TOPICS.

WENDY WIESE, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH, BUT MAY BE THERE IS IN MISSOURI.

>> HE HAS FLOATED THE IDEA IN LEGISLATION THAT HE IS FILING THAT WOULD ALLOW ALL PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS IN THE STATE OF MISSOURI TO GET FREE LUNCHES.

CURRENTLY, FAMILIES QUALIFY BASED ON INCOME.

THEY GET THE FREE LUNCHES.

OTHERS GET DISCOUNTED LUNCHES.

THERE'S NO STIGMA MORE THOSE GETTING THE FREE LUNCH.

EVERYBODY, EVEN THE KIDS WITH WEALTHY PARENTS, SHOULD GET FREE LUNCHES AND BREAKFASTS AS WELL.

SHOULD TWO OUT OF THE THREE MEALS BE PROVIDED BY THE SCHOOL NOW?

>> I WILL SURPRISE YOU.

I AM FINE WITH THIS.

I THINK THAT THE -- THE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN JOSH HAUL LEE AND OTHERS AT THE ELEMENTARY WHEN IT IS ABOUT THE CHILDREN AND ABOUT THE FUTURE, YEAH, LET'S SAY LET THE WALLS FALL AND WORK TOGETHER TO BETTER THE LIVES OF OUR CHILDREN.

WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE BUBBLE.

I THINK THAT WE HAVE ALSO SEEN THE CONNECTION BETWEEN PROPER NUTRITION AND LEARNING AND BEING ABLE TO LEARN.

WE PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION.

WHY NOT PROVIDE A HEALTHY MEALS FOR CHILDREN AS WELL?

>> OF COURSE IT IS A GREAT IDEA.

THE REALITY IS IT WILL NOT HAPPEN IN THIS STATE.

IT IS NOT A QUESTION FOR MEDIA.

>> THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA.

>> UH-HUH.

>> HAPPY WHATEVER.

>> NO, I WOULD SAY THAT FIRST OF ALL AND I AM BIASSED IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE HE IS NOT JUST A REPUBLICAN, HE -- >> STICK TO THE TOPIC.

TIME IS LIMITED.

>> MAYBE HE IS TRYING TO ATONE FOR THE RACISM STUFF.

AND YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE SOURCE.

IT IS JUST GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND YOU GOT -- I LOVE IT IF IT DID.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.

>> I THINK IT IS SHOULD HAPPEN.

I THINK WENDY IS RIGHT.

ERASES THE STIGMA IN THE SCHOOLS WHERE THESE KIDS GET A FREE LUNCH AND THESE KIDS DON'T.

IT IS A GREAT IDEA.

>> MISSOURI IS GOING TO GO THROUGH IT.

>> THEY HAVE A LOT OF POVERTY.

>> A LOT OF POVERTY.

>> IF YOU SERVE BREAKFAST, THAT GETS KIDS THERE.

ONCE YOU ARE THERE, YOU STAY ALL DAY.

AND ALONG THE SAME LINE, THERE IS A REPUBLICAN LEGISLATOR, A WOMAN, SHE FILED A BILL TO EXPEND MEDICAID MORE MOMS.

AND I DISAGREE WITH WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT.

IN THIS CASE, SHE IS RIGHT.

I HAVE TO GIVE IT TO HER.

[ALL TALKING AT ONCE].

>> I THINK RAY HAS A POINT BECAUSE THERE ARE 895 THOUSAND SCHOOL KIDS IN THE STATE OF MISSOURI.

AND THE ESTIMATES THAT IT COSTS TO PROVIDE BREAKFAST AND LUNCH 900 DOLLARS PER YEAR PER CHILD.

IT IS 9 MILLION DOLLARS.

YOU MAY BE RIGHT, RAY.

IT MAY BE A GREAT IDEA.

>> OUR LOYAL VIEWERS WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS TONIGHT, KNOW THAT I AM TERRIBLE ABOUT PREDICTIONS.

I HOPE I AM WRONG.

>> KIDS WHO GO TO CATHOLIC SCHOOLS TOO?

SHOULD THEY GET LUNCHES?

BECAUSE THEY ARE PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

>> BUT THEY EAT.

>> IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EDUCATION.

>> IT IS PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

>> THEY WOULD BE SUPPORTING THE KIDS.

>> WE NEED SEPARATE -- >> IT IS PRIVATE!

>> I AM AGAINST THAT.

THAT IS ONE YOU COULD WORK ME ON THAT.

>> SURE.

>> LEGISLATIVELY -- >> WOULDN'T THAT BE THE CAMEL'S NOSE?

>> YOU NEED TO GUARANTEE ME WE ARE NOT GOING DOWN THERE.

NUTRITION IS SO IMPORTANT.

LISTEN PEOPLE TAKE FOR GRANTED.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE HUNGRY THAT LIVE IN AMERICA THAT LIVE IN A VERY, VERY NICE HOUSE.

>> I AGREE.

>> I AGREE.

>> MISSOURI, ST. LOUIS IS EDUCATION.

AND GETTING THOSE KIDS THE WORKPLACE OF TOMORROW, SO ANYTHING YOU CAN DO.

>> WAIT A MINUTE -- >> HOLD IT.

>> THERE'S A REASON WHY WE HAVE A PUBLIC AND PRIVATE EDUCATION.

>> I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT -- >> NO, WE HAVE TO BUY THEM LUNCH TOO?

NO.

>> YOU ARE AGAINST NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF GRANTS?

>> THAT'S A PUBLIC SCHOOL.

>> WHAT IS INTERESTING, THIS IS A STATE THAT EVERY LEGISLATIVE, AT LEAST ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE FIGHTS MEDICAID.

>> OKAY.

>> SPEAKING OF MONEY -- >> IT IS A WONDERFUL IDEA.

IT IS NOT HAPPENING.

>> [ALL TALKING AT ONCE].

>> IF EVERYBODY GOT A FREE LUNCH, YOU TOOK RACE OUT OF THE ISSUE.

THAT'S AN ISSUE.

>>> WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT PAN HANDLERS?

THEY ARE REPRESENTS ROBERT -- HE WON A JUDGMENT IN FEDERAL COURT LAST YEAR BECAUSE HE SAYS THAT PAN HANDLING IS FREE SPEECH.

AND OTHERS CAN WALK DOWN MEDIANS WITH A -- >> FIRE BOOT.

>> RIGHT.

>> YEP.

OR COLLECTING SIGNATURES, HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO APPROACH CARS AND ASK THEM FOR A HAND-OUT.

>> IT MAKES ME INCREDIBLY UNCOMFORTABLE.

I FEEL VULNERABLE IF SOMEONE APPROACHES ME AT A STOP LIGHT.

I WILL GO AND PICK UP SOMETHING FOR SOMEONE TO EAT IF SOMEONE NEEDS IT WHEN I AM GOING DOWN THE RAMP.

I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE APPROACHING ME.

AT THE SAME TIME, I GET THE INCONSISTENCIES.

IF SHOCK -- HE HAD A TREMENDOUS RECORD.

IF HE BELIEVES THAT THIS IS LEGALLY SOUND, THEN -- >> I DISAGREE.

I THINK THAT THIS AGE OF CAR-JACKING, IT IS DANGEROUS TO HAVE PEOPLE WALKING THE STREETS.

>> IT IS A TRAFFIC THING.

IF SOMEONE PAN HANDLING AND THE CAR OR TWO UP DECIDES THEY ARE GOING TO TALK TO THE PERSON, ALL OF A SUDDEN, THE LIGHT TURNS GREEN -- >> YOU ARE GOING TO MISS YOUR LIGHT.

>> -- PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET AROUND.

THERE'S TOO MUCH DANGER.

I DON'T THINK THAT A PERSON SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO APPROACH CARS.

IF HE WANTS TO BE THERE ON THE MEDIAN WITH A TIN CUP, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE HIM SOMETHING ELSE.

WALKING IN THE LANE -- >> MAYBE SOMEBODY WILL WALK IN MY DRIVEWAY.

>> I DON'T THINK THE FIREFIGHTERS SHOULD BE OUT THERE EITHER.

IF YOU WERE UNIFORM ABOUT IT, YOU DON'T HAVE A CASE.

IF YOU LET THE FIREFIGHTERS OR WHOEVER DO IT, YOU HAVE TO LET THEM DO IT.

>> THAT'S THE POINT.

>> WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF NOT HAVING ANYONE ON THE MEDIAN.

>> I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PUBLIC TELEVISION PAN HANDLING.

>> LET'S GET THE DETAILS.

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>>> BILL, THE MAYOR OF ST. LOUIS IS FLOATING THE IDEA TO TAKING 5 MILLION DOLLARS AND GIVE IT TO 440 FAMILIES, 500 DOLLARS A MONTH AND HAVE A BASIC INCOME THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER THEY HAVE.

SHE WANTS TO FIND LOW INCOME FAMILIES AND FOR 18 MONTHS THEY WILL GET 500 DOLLARS EACH.

DO YOU LIKE THAT IDEA?

>> I DO IN A BIGGER SENSE.

SOME DAY WE WILL HAVE TO GO WITH UNIVERSAL INCOME.

AUTOMATION IS SQUEEZING JOBS OUT.

AND THERE WON'T BE ENOUGH JOBS.

WE WILL HAVE TO SAY WE WILL HELP PEOPLE.

BASIC INCOME, I LIKE THE IDEA.

WHETHER OR NOT A CITY CAN SUCCESSFULLY DO THAT, I'M NOT SO SURE.

AND 500 DOLLARS A MONTH IS A BIG HELP TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.

BUT THERE'S MORE THAN 440 FAMILIES THAT NEED IT AND USE IT.

I'M NOT SURE HOW PRACTICAL IT IS.

I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE MAYOR JONES IS THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX.

>> IT IS DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES.

WE RECEIVED MONEY 10 YEARS AGO BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY AND THEN THE PANDEMIC, WHETHER YOU NEEDED OR NOT, WE GOT THIS MONEY.

IT WAS GIVEN TO US AND GO OUT AND SPEND IT.

WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 500.

I WOULD LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO GO TOWARDS UTILITY BILLS AND TO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT ALREADY BE ON WIC OR FOOD STAMPS.

IT COULD BE USED FOR FOOD PURCHASES.

YOU DON'T GET A 500 DOLLAR CHECK.

IT GETS RID OF OUR OVERHEAD.

WHATEVER YOU DO WITH THE MONEY YOU BRING IN, THAT'S UP TO YOU.

>> I DON'T THINK IT IS AUTOMATION THAT IS SQUEEZING.

I THINK THE FACT THAT COMPANIES SIMPLY CAN'T FIND AND RETAIN THE WORKERS ANYMORE.

AND I THINK WE ARE INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE TO STAY AWAY.

>> NO, WE ARE NOT.

>> FROM THE HELP WANTED SIGNS.

>> I HAD A TALK WITH MICHAEL, WHO CAME UP WITH THIS PROGRAM.

WE HAVE 500 PILOT PROGRAMS.

THEY ARE FOR WORKING FAMILIES.

IT IS SPECIFIC.

IT IS A PILOT.

>> YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING?

>> YEAH -- I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS.

IT IS FOR WORKING FAMILIES.

YES, YOU ARE BELOW A LEVEL.

THESE ARE WORKING FAMILIES.

AND THE IDEA OF IT IS AS MICHAEL PUT IT TO ME, IF YOU INVEST IN PEOPLE, THEY WILL INVEST IN THEMSELVES.

THE WHOLE CONCEPT, THE BEST SOLUTION THAT ARE LACKING CASH IS TO GIVE THEM CASH.

THE IDEA IS TO COUNT ON THEM TO MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICES.

I THINK THE JURY IS OUT.

IN STOCKTON, THERE WAS RESEARCH DONE SHOWING 1 PERCENT WENT TO DRUG AND ALCOHOL.

>> IT WAS SELF-REPORTING, RAY.

>> WHO WOULD REPORT -- >> [LAUGHTER.]

>> EXCUSE ME.

MICHAEL SAID THAT THEY DO WHAT THE REST OF US WOULD DO TO REDUCE DEBT, TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

>> THEY DID IT TOO.

AND THE SOVIET UNION.

>> HERE'S THE THING, I THINK WENDY IS RIGHT.

ALVIN HAS A POINT.

WE ARE LOOKING FOR DISPATCHERS, PEOPLE TO DRIVE BUSES, PICK UP TRASH.

WHY ARE WE GIVING MONEY AWAY FOR PEOPLE AND NOT ASKING THEM TO PICK UP LITTER OR PLANT FLOWERS OR BE TRAFFIC GUARDS.

>> WORK'S PROGRESS.

>> YES.

>> THESE ARE NOT EXCLUSIVE.

>> THAT'S ANOTHER IDEA.

IF YOU WORK FOR THE CITY, YOU DON'T GET IT ALL AT ONCE.

YOU GET EQUAL TO 500 DOLLARS.

>> SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> THAT SEEMS LIKE A NEW DEAL PROGRAM FROM THE '30S.

>> IT SAVED US.

>> IT IS NOT EXCLUSIVE TO THIS PROGRAM WHICH IS BEING TESTED ACROSS.

>> WE CAN'T FIND NURSING HOME WORKERS BECAUSE THEY ARE PAID SO BAD.

>> RAY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A DISAGREEMENT, YOU TOOK A LOOK IN OUR COLUMN IN THE RIVERFRONT TIMES RIVER, THE AGREEMENT THAT THE COUNTY HAD WITH CHIEF TIM FINCH, REGARDING HIS PENSION.

HE HAVE WE HAVE LIMITED TIME, AND THE COUNTY WENT BACK ON THEIR DEAL AND IT BUGGED THE JUDGE.

>> IT DID.

THE COUNTY APPEALED THE JUDGE'S RULING -- I DON'T KNOW -- WITH THE JUDGE, VERY CLEARLY IN JULY IT WAS REPORTED THE ARGUMENT OVER THE PENSION AND THERE WAS A SETTLEMENT.

ACCORDING TO THE JUDGE, NEITHER PARTY HAS TALKED TO ME, THERE WAS A DEAL AND AN E-MAIL CITING THAT THE ACTING COUNTY ATTORNEY, THE PERSON WHO WAS OUTSOURCED, HE SENDS AN E-MAIL ACROSS THE DESK TO THE -- ATTORNEY SAYING I'M SORRY, I KNOW WE ARE AT THE FINISH LINE BUT MY MARCHING ORDERS CHANGED.

HE SHOULDN'T BE GETTING MARCHING ORDERS.

>> HE HAS TO BE GETTING THEM FROM PAGE.

>> WHO ELSE IS GIVING IT TO THEM?

IT IS NOT TO ARGUE ABOUT PENSION.

IT IS TO KEEP YOUR WORD WHEN YOU MAKE A DEAL.

IT IS A BAD SIGN.

>> IT IS THE SAME LEGAL TEAM THAT FAILED TO SHOW UP IN A WRONGFUL DEATH WHEN THE COUNTY WAS BEING SUED 40 MILLION DOLLARS, BY A FAMILY OF THE BOY WHO DROWNED.

>> THIS ONE IS NOT THE FALL OF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

>> WE DON'T KNOW.

>> I DON'T THINK -- >> WHOEVER GAVE THIS GUY MARCHING ORDERS TO CHANGE THE DEAL IT SENDS A BAD MESSAGE DEALING WITH ST. LOUIS COUNTY.

>> I AM NOT GOING TO DEFEND SAM PAGE.

AT THE SAME TIME, I WENT BACK ON THE DEAL AND YOU HAVE BEEN A PAIN IN MY -- >> ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

>> IT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT.

>> IT WAS A GREAT COLUMN.

>> WE HAVE BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT MONEY.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN AND THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS MAY BE ABLE TO DONATE TO 9 PBS STARTING NEXT YEAR THERE IS A PROPOSAL TO RAISE FROM 30 THOUSAND DOLLARS TO 70 THOUSAND DOLLARS.

THE ALDERMAN ARE SAYING LOOK, THE NUMBER OF AWARDS ARE BEING DIVIDED BY 2, OUR WORK IS GOING TO DOUBLE, SO SHOULD OUR PAY.

>> AND IN WISDOM, THIS HAD EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE.

YOU CAN'T HAVE ANOTHER JOB.

ONE DAY SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE AND IT IS NOT SAM PAGE AND ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BE THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE SHOULD BE ABLE TO RUN FOR IT THEY WON'T IF THEY HAVE A REGULAR JOB.

IF YOU GET 70 THOUSAND DOLLARS I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

IT IS LIKE THE 500 DOLLAR GIFT, YOU HAVE TO DECLARE, YOU HAVE TO SHOW, YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT YOU ARE WORKING 40 HOURS A WEEK AS AN ALDERMAN.

>> THIS WAS A BAD IDEA.

I DIDN'T REACTED -- I THINK IT WAS 37 TO 72.

THEIR WORK IS NOT DOUBLING.

IT ISN'T.

THEY ARE GOING -- >> NO, YOU REPRESENT MORE PEOPLE.

>> YOU ARE NOT DOING TWICE AS MUCH WORK.

>> WAIT A MINUTE, THE MAYOR OF NEW YORK DOES THE EXACT SAME JOB AS THE MAYOR OF ST. LOUIS?

>> SURE.

THEY WORK THE NUMBER OF SAME HOURS.

>> WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS FULL TIME, WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER JOB.

WE SHOULD GET FULL TIME PAY.

>> I DON'T THINK IT IS A GOOD THING.

DON'T YOU WANT THE BUTCHER, BAKER THE MEMBER SO YOU HAVE A VARIETY?

>> I THINK 37 WASN'T ENOUGH.

IF THEY INCREASED IT -- THIS WHOLE PROCESS THE CUTTING THE BOARD IN HALF WAS DONE 10 YEARS AGO.

THESE THINGS TAKE TIME.

>> WELL -- >> THE OPTICS OF THEM GOING -- >> THEY SHOULDN'T CUT THE NUMBERS OF THE BOARD.

>> HOPEFULLY THEY DON'T CUT THE PANELISTS.

>> DOUBLING OUR WAY?

THAT IS A GOOD IDEA.

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