>>ANNOUNCER: DONNYBROOK IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORT OF BETSY AND THOMAS PATTERSON FOUNDATION AND THE MEMBERS OF 9 PBS.

>>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US THIS, THE FIRST SHOW OF THE 37 SEASON HERE ON DONNYBROOK HERE ON 9 PBS.

WOW!

>> FIRST, LOTS TO TALK ABOUT.

>> WENDY WIESE.

>> AND BILL MCCLELLAN, AND RAY HARTMANN, AND ALVIN REID FROM THE ST. LOUIS AMERICAN.

>> YOU WERE HERE 36 YEARS AGO THIS WEEK, IT WAS ALL IN PART OF ONE GUY; MIKE HARDGROVE SAW FIT TO PUT YOU ON THE AIR WITH RICH, MARK, AND MARK, AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE LOST MIKE HARDGROVE AT THE AGE OF 85 AT THE END OF THE DECEMBER.

HE WAS THE CEO FROM 1978 TO 2022.

HE WAS A TRUE GENTLEMAN.

>> HE WAS.

I ASKED HIM IF HE WAS TAKING CREDIT OR BLAME.

[LAUGHTER.]

>> HE WAS UNDERSTANDING, AND KIND, REALLY -- >> AND SUPPORTIVE.

>> AND SUPPORTIVE.

HE TOOK A RISK TO PUT US ON THE AIR.

AND TO SAY THAT WE WERE -- >> GREEN.

>> -- NOT GOOD.

WE WERE SOMEWHERE WORSE THAN NOT GOOD.

SERIOUSLY, WE WERE.

HE GAVE US A CHANCE.

AND WE WILL ALWAYS BE GRATEFUL TO HIM.

HE WAS OVERALL, A FIRST CLASS GUY.

>> YEAH.

AND HE JUST LET US GO.

WE WERE ALL NEWSPAPER GUYS.

NONE OF US HAD ANY EXPERIENCE BROADCASTING AT ALL.

AND HE UNDERSTOOD, APPARENTLY, IT WOULD BE ROUGH AT TIMES.

AND IT CERTAINLY WAS.

AND THE ONLY THING HE SAID OF ME IS I HAD TO WEAR A SHORT SPORTS JACKET.

I DIDN'T.

I CAME FROM WORK.

>> WHO KNEW YOU WOULD BE INTO FASHION.

>> HE WAS A GREAT GUY.

>> WHENEVER WE WOULD SEE HIM, HE WAS A LOW-KEY GUY.

BUT ALWAYS WARM AND FRIENDLY AND SUPPORTIVE.

AND YOU AND I AS LATE-COMERS, WE APPRECIATED THAT.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS WITH THE HARDGROVE FAMILY.

>> WE WILL LOOK AT THE CONVENTION FROM FOR THE FIRST SHOW.

YOU HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT LIKE OTHER TOPICS HERE IN ST. LOUIS.

KENNY RATCLIFF, THE HEAD OF THE CONVENTION CENTER SAYS THERE'S NO MONEY FOR THE SECOND PHASE OF THE CONVENTION FROM EXPANSION.

AND LOUIS SAYS, NUMBER ONE, THERE'S NO MONEY FROM THE COUNTY FOR ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THIS SECOND PHASE.

NUMBER TWO; HE ASKED FOR THE RESIGNATION OF KITTY RATCLIFF.

PRETTY STRONG WORDS.

>> WELL, I DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT ERNIE SAID.

I DIDN'T AGREE WITH KITTY RATCLIFF AND SAID SO ON THE SHOW WHEN SHE CRITICIZED ON THE OVERRUNS ON THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

IT DELAYED THE PROJECT 8 OR 9 MONTHS.

THE COST COULD HAVE GONE DOWN AND TO BLAME INFLATION IS NOT FAIR.

I KNOW IT IS NOT THE SEXIEST PROJECT, KEEPING THE CONVENTION CENTER UP WHERE WE CAN BE COMPETITIVE, NOT NASHVILLE OR NEW ORLEANS, BUT WITH OTHER CITIES, IT IS IMPORTANT.

I UNDERSTAND WHY THE COUNTY FOLKS WERE OFFENDED BY WHAT KITTY SAID.

IT IS NOT SEXY, YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE CONVENTION CENTER.

>> THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THE LEADERSHIP OF KITTY.

I'M NOT A FAN OF ERNIE TRAKAS.

I THINK KITTY RATCLIFF MADE A DEAL WITH HAZEL, THE NORTH COUNTY REC CENTER AND TRIED TO WLECH - WELCH ON IT.

IT WAS NOT WHAT THE DEAL WAS.

AND THE LAST TIME KITTY RATCLIFF WAS THERE AND TALKING ABOUT MONEY, TRAKAS SAID.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU HIRE A CONTRACTOR AND -- >> OH, BY THE WAY.

>> I NEED A WHOLE LOT MORE MONEY.

I DON'T BLAME THEM FOR BEING UPSET WITH KITTY RATCLIFF.

MAYBE THE LEADERSHIP IS CALLING OUT DON'T FORGET, YOU CAN GET CHECK OUT OUR INTERACTIVE DOPPLER RADAI FOR HER.

>> YOU CAN'T HOLD -- I HAVE SAID THIS ON THE SHOW.

THIS JUST NEEDS TO GO FORWARD AND GET DONE.

IT IS TOO IMPORTANT TO THE REGION TO GET IT DONE.

AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN -- I DON'T THINK YOU CAN FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, BLACKMAIL OUT OF THE OFFICE.

>> WHAT IF SHE STAYS?

>> SHE WILL STAY.

>> THEY GET NO MORE MONEY.

>> WHEN THE PROJECT WENT OUT TO BID IN THE SECOND PHASE, THERE WERE ZERO BIDDERS ON THE PROJECT.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

>> THE OTHER GUY THAT WAS SPITTING IN THE WIND.

NO ONE ELSE WAS LISTENS TO HIM.

HE WAS ON THE SHOW, BOB CLARK, WHO HAS OPERATIONS IN 35 STATES AND MEXICO AND CANADA.

HE KNOWS A THING OR TWO ABOUT CONSTRUCTION.

HE SAID IT WAS NOT COMING IN ON BUDGET AND IT WAS A TERRIBLE IDEA.

AND WE REPLAYED THAT INTERVIEW LAST THURSDAY NIGHT AS PART OF THE HOLIDAY SEASON RECAP.

THERE HE WAS ONCE AGAIN SAYING IT WAS A TERRIBLE PROJECT.

AND RAY, YOU SAY THIS IS SO IMPORTANT TO THE REGION.

>> IT IS.

>> GUYS, HAVE YOU SEEN THE AREA AROUND THE CONVENTION CENTER?

HAVE YOU SEEN GROWTH AROUND IT?

>> NO.

>> AND BOB'S IDEA FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER WOULD OPEN IT UP ON THE NORTH SIDE.

IT WOULD OPEN UP THE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES UP THERE.

>> I LOVE BOB CLARK.

WE WERE NOT CAPABLE OF DOING IT.

IT IS NOT A BAD IDEA.

I DON'T THINK IT WAS AN AFFORDABLE AND LOSING THE CONVENTION BUSINESS.

AND PEOPLE DON'T SEE THE IMPORTANCE OF FOUND MONEY, FROM OTHER PLACES, IT CAN'T BE OVER-STATED.

>>> LET'S MOVE ON TO ANOTHER TOPIC, SHALL WE?

>> WE'LL TALK ABOUT ILLEGAL GAMBLING.

>> WE HAVE A KNEW ATTORNEY GENERAL IN MISSOURI, HE IS ANDREW BAILEY.

HE WAS SWORN IN AND GAVE A SPEECH AND HE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND THAT AND ASKED ABOUT IF HE WAS GOING TO CRACK DOWN ON ILLEGAL GAMBLING.

ONE-ARMED BAND Z ITS AND SLOT MACHINES.

HE SAID NO, I WILL LET THE LOCALS DO THAT.

DID YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THAT?

>> YES, I WAS DISAPPOINTED.

FIRST, MR. BAILEY TALKED ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCES IN IRAQ AND HE SOUNDS LIKE A COURAGEOUS FELLOW.

I'M GLAD NO ONE WAS HURT.

HE IS TIME TO USE THE COURAGE HERE.

THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT ILLEGAL THAT SHOULD RING A BELL WITH THE TOP -- >> LAW ENFORCEMENT.

>> -- LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE STATE.

AND I KNOW STEVE TILLY, THEY LET HIM HIJACK MARIJUANA AND NOW TILLY IS RUNNING THE ILLEGAL GAMBLING MACHINES.

I KNOW HE IS A BIG REPUBLICAN.

OH MY GOSH, ANDREW BAILEY, SHOW US SOME COURAGE, TAKE ON STEVE TILLY.

DON'T TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU DID IN IRAQ.

SHOW US HERE.

>> STEVE HAD FUNDRAISERS FOR TILLY.

>> RIGHT.

>> AND WHEN ERICK SCHMITT RETURNED THE DONATIONS WHOEVER IS IN CHARGE OF TORCH.

IT HAS SO MONEY OVERLAPPING WITH THE CASINO INTERESTS AND STEVE TILLY LOBBING FOR THE ILLEGAL, CLEARLY ILLEGAL, ONE-ARMED BANITS.

HE IS SHOWS A HUGE AMOUNT OF POWER AND IT SHOULD MAKE PEOPLE UNEASY.

>> AND -- >> CHARLIE, IT IS UNCONSTITUTION.

>> COME ON!

YOU ARE GOING TO CRACK DOWN IN BETTING.

>> IT IS DIFFERENT.

>> THESE ARE MACHINES.

AND IF THEY WERE -- >> MACHINES!

>> IF THEY WERE MADE LEGAL THE STATE WOULD GET THE MONEY AND THE SCHOOLS WILL GET MONEY.

OH!

>> AND THESE THINGS ARE ILLEGAL AND I WILL HAVE THEM ANY WAY.

AND BAILEY SAYS NOT MY PROBLEM.

>> MARIJUANA IS BEING SOLD BEFORE IT IS LEGALIZED IN THE STATE OF MISSOURI.

HAVE FOLKS BEEN CALLING ON MARIJUANA PEDDLERS TO SEND IN THEIR INCOME TAX.

>> WE ARE ALREADY DOING THAT.

>> NOT YET.

IT STARTS NEXT MONTH.

>> THE ATTORNEY GENERAL BEFORE IT WAS LEGALIZED, DIDN'T SAY WE CAN CARE LESS.

THIS IS HUEY LONG-ISH.

>> IT REALLY IS.

>> YOU THINK THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS GOING TO SEND LAWYERS FROM THE MIZZOU.

>> HE IS TAKING MONEY FROM STEVE.

>> WHERE IS YOUR OUT-RAGE WITH ALL OF THE LOST REVENUE WITH THE EXPIRED PLATES?

PEOPLE ARE DRIVING AROUND WITH EXPIRED LICENSE PLATES.

>> ONE ISSUE AT A TIME.

>> ON THIS ISSUE, IT IS UP TO YOUR MUNICIPALITY.

OH NO, THE STATE WON'T HAVE THE GUN ISSUE.

BY THE WAY, NOT TO PROLONG THINGS, YOU ARE BASICALLY SAYING, LOOK, YOU ARE TRYING TO GET EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE, 10 PEOPLE GET POPPED AND THE BARS THEMSELVES -- >> THERE ARE SO MANY OF THESE THINGS.

>> WE HAVE TO MOVE ON.

>> I AM PERSONALLY OFFENDED THAT THE CHEAP SHOT AT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPIRED TAGS.

BECAUSE I DID.

THEY ARE GOOD NOW.

WHAT IT SHOWS TO ME, AND I OBVIOUSLY AGREE WITH THE ASSESSMENT HERE, IT SHOWS HOW DISCRETIONRY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS.

IT IS THE PROBLEM.

IT IS GOING TO ENFORCE WHAT HE DOES AND WHAT HE DOESN'T.

>> THE PEOPLE OUT THERE DOESN'T GIVE A YOU KNOW WHAT.

>> THEY SHOULD.

>> WE HAD 120 KIDS SHOT IN ST. LOUIS LAST YEAR.

>> CHARLIE, YOU CAN SAY THAT ABOUT ANY PROBLEM.

>> A ONE-ARMED BANDIT IN SOMEONE'S BAR.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE HOMELESS SLEEPING UNDER THE UNDERPASSES.

SINCE THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, IT IS ILLEGAL TO SLEEP ON STATE PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE LAW DIRECTED AT THE HOMELESS.

>> IT IS A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR.

THE HOMELESS PROBLEM, REMEMBER BEING A KID AND HOLDING MERCURY IN YOUR HAND?

IT IS SUCH A COMPLEX PROBLEM.

THEY MOVE ALL OF THE TIME, SO MANY ARE DEALING WITH MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS, ONGOING MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS.

I DON'T SEE WHAT THIS ACCOMPLISHES?

I DON'T SEE WHAT CHARGING THEM WITH MISDEMEANORS AND REQUIRING PEOPLE, WHO HAVE NO ADDRESSES SO SHOW UP FOR COURT.

I DON'T GET THAT.

>> I AGREE WITH WENDY.

THESE ARE HUMAN BEINGS.

AND THEY ARE IN, LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE CASE, HAVE NEEDS THAT ARE NOT BEING ADDRESSED, IRONICALLY, BY THE SAME SYSTEM KICKING THEM OFF OF THE STATE PROPERTY.

IT IS A LACK OF COMPASSION AND SELF-AWARENESS ON THE PART OF THE STATE THAT WE WILL -- >> I DON'T -- >> I -- >> I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD BE THAT CRITICAL.

>> WHO IS GOING TO ARREST THEM?

THE STATE PATROL?

THE MUNICIPALITY?

>> THE LOCALS IN THE LAW THAT THE LOCALS HAVE TO ENFORCE IT OR THEY FACE CONSEQUENCES.

I AM IN FAVOR OF THE LAW.

THE FIRST TIME IS A WARNING.

IS SECOND TIME YOU GET A CITATION.

>> 120 KIDS WERE KILLED AND THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT?

>> I'M NOT LOSING SLEEP OVER IT.

THIS AREA -- >> DOES ANYBODY -- >> THESE ARE PEOPLE -- >> THE STATE GOVERNMENT, THE STATE OF MISSOURI STEPS UP AND ADDRESSING THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE SERVICES, WE DOWNTOWN HAVE OUTREACH FOR THE PEOPLE.

>> WE GET 500 MILLION DOLLARS, AND 2 MILLION DOLLARS -- >> NO.

>> -- >> WE HAVE MENTAL HEALTH IS ONE OF THE FUNCTIONS OF THE STATE.

WE COMPLETELY LET IT DOWN AND ACT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE ANSWER IS, LET'S PUT THESE PEOPLE IN JAIL.

IT IS RIDICULOUS.

>> THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO JOB INTERVIEWS AND TAKING THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL.

THEY ARE HOMELESS!

.

>> WHEN YOU CLAIM THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX, IT GOES TO THE FUND.

>> I BET YOU LOOK IT UP AND ST. LOUIS WILL BE IN THE 40-SOMETHING SPOT.

>> WE ARE GOING TO BE DRIVEN OFF -- >> [ALL TALKING AT ONCE].

>> WE ARE ADDING THE -- >> AND MISERY TO PEOPLE.

>> THEY SHOULD BE TAKEN TO A SHELTER.

>> AND MAY I ADD THIS?

THIS IS NOT THE WORST LAW IN MISSOURI THAT HAS EVER PASSED.

IT IS SILLY.

>> EXPANDSAD.

>> IT IS SAD.

IT IS OKAY -- >> I'M NOT FIRED UP ABOUT -- >> IF YOU MOVE OFF OF STATE PROPERTY YOU CAN GO TO THE 99 PERCENT OF THE PROPERTY WHICH IS NOT STATE PROPERTY.

HOW MANY PIECES OF STATE PROPERTY?

>> WOULD YOU HAVE SOMEONE UNDER AN OVERPASS OR YOUR LAWN?

IT IS LIKE CALIFORNIA, THEY MOVE ON TO PERSONAL PROPERTY.

>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

WHY NOT TAKE THE MONEY GOING TO THE CONVENTION FROM AND BUILD HOMES FOR THE HOMELESS?

>> NOT EVERY PROGRAM CAN BE CROSSED OVER RELATED TO WHAT IT IS DESIGNED FOR.

>> WE HAVE A HOTEL TAX FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER.

IT DOES NOT GET APPLIED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

>> BY DESIGN.

>> IT IS FOR A PURPOSE.

>> THE TAX IS MADE UP FOR THE ZOO, FOR THE BIKE TRAIL.

>> THEY DON'T GO INTO ONE PILE.

>> THEY SHOULDN'T.

THE BOTTOM LINE TO ALVIN'S POINT.

I'M NOT WORKED ABOUT THE LAW BUT THE FACT THAT WE DON'T ADDRESS THE CORE PROBLEM.

>> WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.

>> WE DO HAVE THE MONEY.

>> THE LOCALS HAVE THE MONEY.

>> NO.

>> THE KROENKE CASH.

>> IT IS A -- MILLION DOLLARS.

>> IF YOU' EARMARK IT.

-- BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.

>> WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THE LATEST CASE OF BRANDON BOSLEY?

HE WAS IN THE NEWS BECAUSE HE RELEASED A 9 AND A HALF MINUTE FACEBOOK VIDEO AND CONFRONTED A WOMAN IN THE STREET TRYING TO CAR JACK HIM.

A LOT OF PROFANITY.

A LOT OF TERMS YOU CAN'T SHAR SHARE ON THIS PROGRAM.

THE POLICE ARRESTED HIM AND PUT HER IN JAIL FOR 7 NIGHTS.

THE CIRCUIT ATTORNEY RELEASED THIS WOMAN AFTER 7 NIGHTS.

SAYING, LOOK, WE ARE NOT COMMENTING TOO MUCH.

BUT THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH THE ARTICLED ALDERMAN'S TESTIMONY.

>> THEY NEED TO LOOK AND SEE IF HE BROKE THE LAW.

YOU CAN'T FORCE PEOPLE TO HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH EXAM.

MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO GET HER CHECKED OUT TO SEE IF SHE IS ALL THERE.

WHAT HAPPENED?

I DON'T KNOW.

IT IS NOT LIKE I WILL SAY IT WENT DOWN LIKE HE SAID.

NO, I'M NOT ON THAT TRAIN YET.

ONCE AGAIN, PULLING A GUN ON SOMEBODY AND WHATEVER.

IF YOU FEEL THREATENED, HE COULD HAVE HIT IT WITH THE GUN.

I'M NOT SAYING IT HAPPENED.

I'M SAYING IF THAT HAPPENED THIS DAY, YOU ARE WELL WITHIN YOUR RIGHTS.

>> I FOUND ALARMING WAS THE LANGUAGE THAT BRANDON BOSLEY USED WHEN HE WAS TALKING.

I SAW A TRANSCRIPT WITH ONE THE TV STATIONS.

AND THE LANGUAGE WAS OUTRAGE OUTRAGEO OUTRAGEOUS.

THIS IS AN ALDERMAN FOR THE DOWNTOWN AND NSGA.

GOSH.

I'M NOT TOO -- >> PRUDE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> SORRY.

[LAUGHTER.]

>> IT IS A TWO-WAY STREET.

>> I'M NOT A PRUDE ABOUT IT.

GOSH.

YOU HAVE TO BE BETTER THAN THIS, MR. BOSLEY.

>> SOMETIMES GO ON CURSING RANTS.

I DON'T HOLD THAT ABOUT HIM.

WHAT'S UP WITH HIM THOUGH?

>> HE IS IN A THREE-WAY RACE.

WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IN THIS ENVIRONMENT.

WE'LL HAVE TO SEE.

THEY WERE CLASSY IN HOW THEY REACTED IT.

AND I THOUGHT THEY HAD THEIR CHANCE.

>> MAYBE SO.

>> DID HE DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN THE MCCLOFK ECCLOSKE MCCLOSKEY.

>> WE CAN'T SAY THAT THIS IS THE SAME THING WHEN YOU HAVE A FIREARM FOR THOSE WHO ARE WALKING ALONG THE STREET.

>> HE WAS LYING ON HER BACK.

>> I THINK SHE WOULD GONE TO JAIL JUST TO SEE -- >> I DON'T THINK -- >> YOU WILL HAVE TWO DIFFERENT WAYS OF LOOKING AT THE ALDERMAN.

HE IS DEEPLY COMMITTED TO HIS AREA, TO HIS WARD.

HE IS PASSIONATE ABOUT IMPROVING THE LIFE.

WAS HE FRUSTRATED IN THE MOMENT?

SOUNDED LIKE IT TO ME.

ON THE OTHER HAND, THIS IS JUST -- >> WHY DID HE POST THE VIDEO?

>> THAT'S THE WORLD.

>> THAT'S THE WORLD.

>> DID TONY PATRICO OF THE POINT PUT IN WRITING HIS ADVANCES TO THESE WOMEN?

AS YOU KNOW, TONY PATRICO MORNING HOST, TO THE POINT, IS NO LONGER WITH THE STATION AFTER HE SENT INAPPROPRIATE TEXTS TO FEMALE LISTENERS TO SHARE PHOTOS OF THEMSELVES WITHOUT THEIR CLOTHES ON.

THAT SORT OF THING.

>> YEAH, YEAH, GARDEN VARIETY OF STUFF.

>> THEY HAD SOMETHING ON THE AIR AND ENCOURAGED WOMEN TO SEND PHOTOS OF THEIR BUST LINES.

AND NOW HE ASKED THEM TO SEND PHOTOS.

>> WAS THIS HIS PERSONAL SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNT?

THOSE OF US IN THE MEDIA, THE BRAIN TRUST OF THE MEDIA, [LAUGHTER.]

WE CAN'T FIGURE THAT OUT.

IF YOU POST SOMETHING ON FACEBOOK THAT IS CONSIDERED LEWD AND IT IS NOT GOOD FOR THE SALES TEAM AND CLIENTS, YOU WILL LOSE YOUR JOB.

IT IS SIMPLE.

IT IS MATH.

>> I HAD NEVER HEARD OF THE SHOW.

I READ ABOUT THE BUST LINES AND SEXUALLY EXPLICIT ADS.

I THOUGHT, IF THIS IS THEIR SHOW, WHY WOULD THEY BE UPSET THAT HE IS ASKING WOMEN.

IT IS NOT LIKE HE WAS STALKING WOMEN.

NO, HE GOT UPSET.

I WAS JUST KIDDING ANY WAY.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE SHOW.

>> BUT THIS IS HIS PERSONAL FACEBOOK ACCOUNT.

SO, HE HAS BEEN CAUGHT IN THE ACT OF PERSONALLY, OFF THE AIR, TRYING TO USE FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL USE AND ADVANCEMENT IN AREAS WE DON'T WHAT TO KNOW, ON HIS FACEBOOK ACCOUNT.

>> SPEAKING FROM SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE A FACEBOOK PAGE.

>> IT IS FUNNY DURING THE SHOW.

IT IS DURING THE SHOW.

THIS IS HIS PERSONAL FACEBOOK PAGE.

IF THERE -- IF YOU ARE STATION MANAGEMENT AND YOU ARE AWARE OF WHAT HE IS DOING ON HIS PERSONAL FACEBOOK ACCOUNT AND PEOPLE SAY HE DID THIS OR THAT, IN THIS SITUATION YOU ARE DOING IT WITH HIM.

>> THIS IS WHAT THEY DO.

I UNDERSTAND.

THIS IS WHAT THEY DO, THEY FIRE YOU, IF YOU ARE THE STATION MANAGER.

YOU CAN'T BLAME EITHER PARTY THIS IS WHAT THEY DO.

>> IT IS -- I SEE BOTH SIDES.

ONE, NICK SABAN, THE MOST GOD-FEARING FOOTBALL COACH, IF THEY SPEAK TO THE MAILMAN THE WAY THEY SPEAK ON THE SIDELINES, IT IS A DIFFERENT STORY.

YOU ARE ON THE JOB.

I'M WITH BILL.

WE HAVE A LEWD SHOW.

AND NOW YOU ARE FIRED?

>> IT IS NOT LIKE IT WAS A RELIGIOUS PROGRAM.

>> IF HE WAS GIVING AWAY SOMETHING VALUE IN EXCHANGE FOR NUDE PHOTOS, YOU WOULD HAVE A FCC ISSUE.

>> THIS IS WHAT THEY DO.

>> IT IS POSSIBLE.

>> OKAY.

LET'S GET TO THE MAILBAG, SHALL WE?

>> MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT MOVING OUT OF ILLINOIS BECAUSE OF THE HIGH TAXES AND POLITICAL CORRUPTION FOR DECADES.

ONCE OUR PARENTS HAVE PASSED, WE ARE LEAVING.

FROM GAIL IN ILLINOIS.

>> RATHER THAN GIVE MONEY TO PAN HANDLERS.

I HAVE HAD 10 DOLLAR SUBWAY GIFT CARDS.

THEY CAN GET A SANDWICH, CHIPS AND DRINK.

I HAVE ALWAYS GOTTEN A POSITIVE RESPONSE.

>> THANK YOU.

>>> AND I MAKE AN EFFORT TO VIEW THE SHOW AND I FEEL FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THE PANELISTS TALK OVER EACH OTHER.

GET A TALK STICK AND PASS IT AROUND ON A ONE-MINUTE TIMER.

THANK YOU.

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>> STAY TUNED, BILL AND RAY WILL TALK TO JOHN SHIMKUS ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON, OR NOT GOING ON, ON CAPITOL HILL THIS WEEK.

THAT'S NEXT ON NEXT UP.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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