>>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US FOR ANOTHER ADDITION OF DONNYBROOK.

GO WENDY WIESE, THE COHOST OF THE JENNIFER AND WENDY SHOW.

BILL MCCLELLAN, RAY HARTMANN, WHERE HE WRITES, RAY HARTMANN'S ST. LOUIS INSIDER, AVAILABLE FOR YOUR READING PLEASURE.

AND EDITOR AND COLUMNIST FROM THE ST. LOUIS AMERICAN, ALVIN REID.

WELL, LAST WEEK, WELCOME BACK.

>> I FORGOT WHO HE WAS.

>> WHO ARE YOU?

>> WE THOUGHT HE WAS TRESPASSING.

>> THAT'S HOW -- >> NO, GRE I'LL GIVE YOU CONTEXT FOR THE FIRST TOPIC.

LAST WEEK WE TALKED ABOUT THE MAYOR.

KSDK AND THE BUSINESS JOURNAL FOUND TEXTS THAT SHE HAD WRITTEN, THAT WERE UNFAMILIARITYING OF TH LAWMAKER, ROBERTS.

AFTER MORE TEXTS WERE REVEALED.

AND SOME -- THEY WERE ALL FROM THE MAYOR IN CONVERSATION WITH HER FATHER.

BUT IN THIS CASE, THEY WERE UNFLATTERING TEXTS ABOUT SOME COLLEAGUES INCLUDING SHARON AND PAM BOYD, AND CARA SPENCER.

AND THE ETHICAL SOCIETY OF POLICE, THE LOBBYIST, AND SOME CASES THEY WERE PROFANE AND OTHERS BELITTLING OTHERS.

IT WAS A WINDOW INTO WHAT THIS WOMAN IS COMMUNICATING WITH HER FATHER AND HER POLITICAL ADVISER.

YOU THINK?

COMES OUT.

AN KNOW WHETHER A TEXT BETWEEN A WOMAN AND HER DAD OUGHT TO BE PUBLIC.

I HAD ALWAYS THAT YOU GO THE VERBIAGE WAS OFF THE RESERVATION ON THIS STUFF.

BUT TO FIND OUT HE'S A PLAYER AND ADVISER TO THE MAYOR, IT'S ALL GOOD THIS CAME OUT.

>> IN ONE CASE HE TWEETED SOMETHING AT HER SUGGESTION.

>> YEAH, ANY IDEA THAT YOU REALLY CAN'T BLAME THE MAYOR FOR WHAT HER DAD IS DOING, IT'S PART -- AND I THOUGHT IT'S GOOD THE PUBLIC GETS A LOOK A >> THAT WAS THE -- SORT OF THE THEME OF JOE'S COLUMN ON TUESDAY WHEN HE POINTED OUT THAT HE THOUGHT WE WERE BURYING THE LEAD WITH THE PEARL CLUTCHING WITH THE CURSE WORDS AND SUCH.

BUT THE LEAD IS ACTUALLY THE CITY'S FIRST BLACK FEMALE MAYOR, ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE SHE'S STILL LISTENING TO AND RELYING ON TWO OLDER MEN WHO HAVE BEEN HERE AND BEEN -- IN THE STREET -- >> NOTHING WRONG.

> THIS WITH RICHARD.

BUT IT GETS IN THE WAY OF THE NARRATIVE.

>> AND I AM SURE SHE WAS DISPARAGING ABOUT FOR ALREADY AWARE OF -- &g >> I -- DISAGREE WITH THAT.

MY TAUR IS LIKE -- DAUGHTER, IS LIKE, WHATEVER ADVICE I CAN GIVE THEM, HOWEVER, THAT WOULD NEVER STOP.

WEAKEN HER AS THE FIRST BLACK WOMAN THIS OR THAT.

>> MAYBE THAT'S IN T THE BEHOLDER.

>> ALL RIGHT, LET'S SAY I WAS THE MAYOR AND THE TEXT WERE TO WHITE MEN YOUNGER THAN ME.

HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE WISE OLD OWL.

THE TWO, THIS IS A BIG NOTHING TO ME.

OKAY, I WOULDN'T BE TEXTING, THIS WOULD NOT GET ON ME, WOULD NOT BE TEXTING.

I WOULD SAY, BILL SAY -- WHAT I THINK OF THEM.

AND YOU CAN SAY I SAID IT.

WHATEVER.

IT, BECAUSE THE ONE THING THAT I THINK WE NEED HERE IS DEFINITIVE ACTION AND WE MAY DISAGREE WITH IT, BUT YOU'RE TRYING TO APPEASE TO EVERYONE ALL THE TIME, DOESN'T WO >> A TEXTS.

POSSIBLE THAT SOME OF HER TEXTS WERE MAGNANIMOUS, AND SHE WAS GENEROUS IN OTHERS.

SHE PIVOTED VERY WELL, WHEN SHE SAID, I'M NOT PROUD OF THE LANGUAGE I USED, I'LL REACH OUT TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN INSULTED.

BY MY TEXT.

>> I DID AND THEY HAVE NOT HEARD THE MAYOR -- >> SHE'S B IT'S A LONG LIST.

WHO KNOWS.

PREFER A SITUATION THAT PEOPLE ROSE ABOVE THIS STUFF.

IT'S SOME OF IT DIDN'T SOUND GOOD.

SHOW, IT'S A COO FOR HIM AND THE KSTK TO GET THEM.

PART OF ME WONDERS HOW FAR WE WITH PERSONAL TEXTS.

ONE OF THE THINGS IS, YO FEEL SORRY FOR SOMEONE IN THIS AGE, WHATEVER ELECTRONIC MESSAGE TO BE SURPRISE IS WHAT IT IS.

YOU HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THERE'S THE POSSIBILIT I I THINK THAT -- GO AHEAD.

>> WHY DIDN'T SHE LEARN AF FAIR, LITERALLY WHEN THEY WERE GOING AFTER HIS TEXT IT WAS DISCOVERED HE USED AN APP CALLED CONFIDE.

AND CONFIDE AUTOMATICALLY ERASES TEXTS.

GUESS WHAT?

IT WON IN TH THE APPEALS COURT.

RI STATE OF MISSOURI CAN USE THIS APP, CONFIDE, THAT AUTOMATICALLY ERASES.

>> YOU CAME TO ME AND TOLD ME ALL OF THAT, MY REACTION IS IN ALL REALITY, I DON'T CARE.

I'LL TELL EV THE DAY I GOT ELECTED, I'LL CUSS YOU OUT ON TUESDAY AND GO TO LUNCH ON WEDNESDAY.

>> I D LUNCH.

>> HOW ABOUT THIS SHE SAYS SHE DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT GUN LAWS, USING CHICAGO AS AN EXAMPLE DETER VIOLENCE?

THAT'S A HUGE >> ALL OF THE ST JEFFERSON CITY, AND DENOUNCING THE LAWMAKERS THERE.

>> WHO CARES OF THE BASE.

>> DETERRING VIOLENCE IS ONE THING.

VERY FEW PEOPLE WOULD -- >> THAT'S OUT OF >> NOBODY KILLED -- >> THAT'S ALL ABOUT -- >> F OF CONTEXT.

>> NO IT'S >> YES, IT IS.

LET'S PUT IT THIS EXCUSE ME.

FOR EXAMPLE TALKING ABOUT A HORRENDOUS MURDER RAPE, THE SAME PART OF ST. LOUIS IT'S BEEN THAT WAY F YES, I THINK ALL OF US WOULD AGREE, THE GUN LAWS VICTIMS WILL NOT ACCEPT THE PROBLEMS.

IT'S GANG RELATED ALL KINDS OF THINGS RELATED.

I'M SAYING, YOU CAN EASILY CHERRY PICK PART OF HER -- >> EXPLAIN THIS, WHY, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, IN LINE WITH THE MAYOR, AGAINST THIS SIMPLE BILL THAT WOULD SAY IF YOU'RE CARRYING A FIREARM OPENLY CARRYING IT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CONCEALED CARRY ID.

THE ALDERMEN ARE SAYING -- IF POLICE OFFICERS HAVE TO GIVE OUT BUSINESS CARDS AND THE BUSINESS CARDS SAY THEIR NAME, PHONE NUMBERS, [INAUDIBLE].

THE REVI -- IT'S LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO WRENCH THIS COMMON SENSE GUN LAW IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS.

>> IF THAT'S WHAT IT TOOK FOR ME TO VOTE FOR THIS, JUST DO IT.

THEY WOULD READ YOU YOUR RIGHTS, AND GIVE YOU A BUSINES I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

POLICE OFFICERS CARRY CARDS AND GIVE THEM OUT, NOT WHEN THEY'RE IN A SHOOTOUT.

THERE'S ANY KIND OF THINGS WITH FAMILY OR PEOPLE CALL BECAUSE SOMEON DOMESTICS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.

ME.

>> I REMEMBER WHEN T DETECTIVES USED TO DO THAT.

JORDAN LEWIS, THEY CALL THEMSELVES THE BROTHERS.

THEY WOULD TELL -- STOP, IF YOU WANT TO TALK.

>> THI >> BUT THE THING IS, PATROLMEN HAVE THEIR NAMES OUT THERE.

DEALING WITH.

WHAT A HUGE HERE'S MY CARD.

>> I STILL HAVE DETECTIVE TOM'S SOMEWHERE.

THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY JUST -- >> THIS IS INCREDIBLE -- ASSUMES THE POLICE OFFICER, THE POLICE OFFICER GIVE OUT A WHEN THEY STOP SOMEONE.

FIREARMS AND SAY, OKAY, DO YOU HAVE -- >&g AND THEN YOU HAVE TO REM IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY I STOPPED YOU, HERE'S HOW TO APPEAL THIS.

&g >> THAT'S THE POLICE OFFICERS GO TO -- AND GET ANOTHER -- >> LISTEN, FIRST OF ALL, IF THAT'S THE WORST THESE GUYS -- THEIR -- UNLESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UNDERCOVER, CERTAINLY THEY'RE PUBLIC SERVANTS.

AND THEIR NAMES ARE PUBLIC, A RIGHT TO KNOW WHO THEY'RE DEALING WITH.

ANY GOOD POLICE OFFICER IS NOT GOING TO BE BOTHERED BY IT.

>> HELPS TO GET GUNS OFF THE STREET -- >> ALDERMAN, WITH RECENTLY, FOUR ARE -- THREE HAVE -- ANYTIME THEY READ A BUSINESS MAN TO GIVE A CARD, THINK -- CALL THIS NUMBER.

NUMBER.

>> ALDERMAN -- >> WITH THE WAY CALL THE ATTORNEY -- >&g >> ONE TIME THE ALDERMAN ACTUALLY -- CYNICAL.

BEEN FOR A LONG THE COMPROMISE WAS THOUGHTFUL.

IT WASN'T UP OR DOWN.

AND CERTAINLY THE BASIC ARGUMENT OF HAVING SPENCER'S ARGUMENT TO UTILIZE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT IN STATE LAW IS NOT RIGHT.

>&g >> EXACTLY.

>> IT'S FINE.

>> THAT'S THE WAY -- LET ME ASK YOU OF THE PEOPLE WHO THOU THEIR HAT IN THE -- THROW THEIR HAT IN THE RING TR OFFICE.

-- FOR OFFICE.

LAWMAKERS.

SHE'S GOING TO RUN FOR U.S. SENATE.

GOVERNOR THE STATE LAWMAKER HAD HER HAT IN THE -- WHO WANTS TO RUN.

TAKE ON BOTH OF THOSE.

>> THE FIRST IS HOW AWAITS BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT -- TODAY, EIGHT YEARS AGO TODAY, HE THREW HIS HAT IN THE RING TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR.

EIGHT YEARS TODAY.

AT THAT TIME, THE FIELD FOR GOVERNOR WAS -- AND PETER.

IT WAS MONTHS LATER THAT -- AND WHAT'S HIS FACE, BRUENER JUMPED IN THE RACE.

HAVING SAID THERE'S A -- FIRST OF ALL, I'M A GREAT FAN OF KARLA MAY.

SHE'S AS GOOD AS IT GETS.

A LOT OF CONTROVERSY, SHE'S AFRICAN-AMERICAN.

HAS A RIGHT TO RUN AS EVERYONE ELSE.

SO MUCH THE TYPICAL -- WHERE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE, AMAZING MINORITY LEADER HAS WHAT I THINK IS THE YEAR OF THE WOM I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T THINK TH AND I HOPE SOME GUY IN SPRINGFIELD, THE DEMOCRATS -- &g >> DIFFERENC >> WHAT?

USE THIS IN -- WHY IS IT CONTROVERSIAL.

YOU SAID -- >> THE POINT IS --.

>> IT IS.

>> SAY WHAT -- MAJOR MATCH, IT TAKES ST. LOUIS , YOU ARE SPLIT.

>> AND THEN SOMEONE -- WHATEVER.

THEY'LL CANCEL OUT VOTES.

>> NO BIG DEAL.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

>> THE AMBITION.

AFTER ALL, REMEMBER THE RACE FOR THE PRESIDENT -- A FEW YEARS AGO?

FIVE OTHER, WHY ARE YOU RUNNING?

I CAN WIN.

>> THEIR RIGHT.

>> THE USUAL, AND I HE YOU.

WESLEY BELL AND BILL, ARE YOU RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

KARLA MAY SAID SHE TOLD IN ADVANCE.

DID HE TRY TO >> IN FAVOR OF LUKE COMBS?

PERHAPS.

>> WHY -- THAT'S WHY IN MY MIND, BACK TO WHAT, YOU HAVE THREE PEOPLE BEFORE THEY ANNOUNCED, IN MY MIND ALL THREE HAVE THE -- AGAIN, [INAUDIBLE].

>> WHO KNOWS?

RUNNING, LET'S SEE -- &g AND A YEAR AGO, THE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR COUNTY EXEC, HARRIS.

IN THE OFFICE, OF COUNTY EXECUTIVE.

THIS BECAME PUBLIC.

NOW, THERE'S BEEN AN ARREST, WHO GOT THE VIDEO AND THEN SENT IT TO -- HE GAVE IT WHO SENT IT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

>> RIGHT.

>> NOW THEY'VE ARRESTED IN CHICAGO WHO SHARED IT, BUT BECAUSE HE WAS -- HE SHOULD BE GETTING A GOOD -- THE REST OF US, IN FACT, THERE WAS A COUNTY DEPUTY HAVING SEX IN HIS OFFICE.

>> HE'S THE CURRENT O, IF YOU WILL.

HAD ALTRUISM.

I DON'T THINK TRYING TO EARN HIS WINGS, I THINK THE -- WHAT'S FASCINATING TO ME, IS WHO KNEW IN ALL OF THIS, [INAUDIBLE].

IS ALL ALLOWED, COULD BE -- BUT AFTER ALL OF THESE WARNINGS ON THE SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES, WHY IT TOOK SO LONG.

HE -- I THOUGHT IT WAS A HOT -- >> THE POLICE -- >> AND NEVER UNDERSTOOD.

GUESS WHAT -- THAT WAS RIDICULOUS.

YOUR -- >> OF COURSE, YOU WOULD.

>> IT'S AN AFFAIR WHAT HARRIS WAS DOING WITH ANOTHER ADULT IS UP TO THEM.

>> OH, O >> HOLD IT, WHAT I WANT TO SAY -- I DON'T CARE, LET ME FINISH.

THE BIG QUESTION THIS CASE REVOLVES AROUND WAS THERE CONSENT.

THE QUESTION IS DID TH CONSENT TO THIS VIDEO BEING A, TAKEN AND OF CONSENT THERE WAS, IF ANY.

AND UNTIL YOU KNOW THE POINTS -- ALL SPECULATION.

>> THE COMMON SENSE TE YOU, IF YOU'RE PART OF THAT ACT IN A GUY'S OFFICE AN YOUR PHOTO ON THE I-PHONE, ASSUME IT'S GOING AROUND.

>> THE POINT IS, AND I'M SAYING -- >> WHERE DOES TH >> THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PEEPING TOM TAKING A PHOTO OF SOMEONE IN A HOTEL ROOM AND A GUY HOLDING THE CAMERA.

>> HOW DO WE KNOW -- >> I DO BELIEVE THAT THE ARGUMENT THERE IS IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT -- WHETHER YOU THOUGHT YOU WOULD GET ANYWHERE OR NOT.

>> THE FINAL TOPIC OF TH PROGRAM.

TH PROPERTY TAXES FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE 62 A IF YOU'RE ELIGIBLE FOR SOCIAL SECURITY.

TAX.

BILL ABOUT THIS.

I THINK TH THE THE ST. LOUIS COUNTY COUNCIL.

WH VOTERS, AND A PETITION TO GET PASSED.

ABOUT IT.

AND MY COUNTY COUNCIL AGAINST IT, AND I'M FINAL IN AGREEMENT WITH HER.

AND IT TAKES SOM POLITICIAN TO STAND UP TO SENIOR CITIZENS.

BUT IT SEEMS TO ME CRAZY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR INSTANCE, HAVE TO PAY THEIR PROPERTY TAX BUT I'M GOING TO GET A BREAK BECAUSE I'M OLD?

I'M HAPPY TO GET SOCIAL SECURITY, I'M THRILLED I GOT MEDICARE.

IF YOU'RE A SENIOR AND YOU CAN'T, YOU EITHER GET A REVERSE MORTGAGE OR YOU DOWN SIZE.

>> EXACTLY.

AND THIS IS TIED UP IN PARTISAN POLITICS.

ONE.

AND BLESS HIS HEART, MARK IS RUNNING FOR THE STATE SENATE, IT'S A GOOD ISSUE FOR HIM.

THE PROBLEM IS THE STATE ENABLED THIS, BECAUSE THE IDEA OF EXEMPTING THINGS LIKE THIS AND, IT STEMS -- >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GO SAY.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

IF THIS WERE A CAP OF -- MY QUESTION TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SENIORS WHO ARE GETTING THIS RELI YOU WILLING TO FREEZE YOUR PROPERTY VALUE NOW, BECAUSE WE'RE FREEZING IT, AND YOU AGREE TO NEVER SELL YOUR HOUSE FOR MORE THAN IT'S WORTH NOW.

YOU GO GET -- THE HOUSE IS - >> YOU GUYS NEVER WORTH MORE, YOU'RE ALL BENT OUT OF SHAPE OVER THE TAXES THAT MIGHT NOT BE COLLECTED.

I DROVE IN TODAY AND SAW ANOTHER EXPIRED TAG FROM NOVEMBER 26, 2021, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, WHY DON'T WE CRACK DOWN ON PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PAYING THEIR TAXES THERE?

WHEN THEY DON'T GET THEIR FAIR SHARE OF THE SETTLEMENT.

OR THE MONEY WASN'T IN AN INTEREST BEARING ACCOUNT?

>> WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO -- >> MONEY.

MONEY.

>> JUSTIFY >> NOT CHA PROPERTY TAX.

>> FIXED INCOME.

>> REMEMBER WHEN -- EYES ARE OPEN AND THEY WEREN'T GETTING TAXED THEY WERE A SENIOR, AND IT'S ABOUT THE SENIORS.

AGAINST ZIMMERMAN, HE SAID LIKE, WELL, THAT'S ALL GOOD AND DANDY, PEOPLE ARE PAYING $600,000 TO LIVE THERE.

AND IT'S THE S IF YOU'RE POOR, THAT'S ONE THING.

EVERYONE GETS ONE.

EXCEPT THE SENIO >> HOW CAN YOU BE SU >> WORRY OUT OF TIME.

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