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>> WELCOME TO THE BASTILLE DAY EDITION OF DONNYBROOKS ABOUT GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

A LOT TO TALK ABOUT ON THIS JULY 14th, BUT FIRST LET'S MEET OUR PANELISTS, STARTING WITH WENDY WIESE FROM THE BIG 550 KTRS.

MR. BILL McCLELLAN FROM ST. LOUIS TODAY.COM AND THE POST-DISPATCH.

RAY HARTMANN JOINING US FROM RAWSTORY.COM, THE RIVERFRONT TIMES, AND ST. LOUIS IN THE KNOW ON THE BIG 550 KTRS.

AND ALVIN REID, NEWS EDITOR AND SPORTS COLUMNIST WITH YOUR ST. LOUIS AMERICAN.

>> VIVA LA FRANCE.

>> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT A RATHER UNUSUAL STORY WHICH I THINK IS BETTER IN VIDEO THAN IT IS WRITTEN AND IT'S A 14-MINUTE VIDEO PRODUCED BY THE ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH OF THE HAZELWOOD POLICE CHIEF WHO WAS PULLED OVER IN O'FALLON, MISSOURI, BY THE RESPONDING OFFICERS WHO FOUND THAT THE POLICE CHIEF APPARENTLY HAD IMBIBED TOO MUCH.

COULDN'T RECITE THE ALPHABET TOO WELL, FLUNKED THE BREATHALYZERING COULDN'T WALK THE STRAIGHT LINE, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE POLICE CHIEF FROM O'FALLON SHOWED UP, HUGGED THE FELLOW WHO WAS DRUNK, AND DROVE HIM HOME IN HIS CAR.

NO ARRESTS, FOR PUNISHMENT.

TO THIS DAY, HAE NOT BEEN CHARGED.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS STORY?

>> YOU'RE ASKING A 20th CENTURY MAN ABOUT THIS STORY AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A 21st CENTURY STORY.

LET ME DISABUSE YOU OF THE NOTION THAT ANYBODY WHO GETS TO DUI OR DWI ENDS UP IN GREAT TROUBLE.

JOHN HOFFMAN WHO WRITES AN ARTICLE FROM SUBURBIA.COM IS ALWAYS OUTLINING THESE CASES IN TOWN AND COUNTRY AND CHESTERFIELD WHERE PEOPLE HAVE OUTRAGEOUS THINGS, DRUNK IN THEIR CAR, AND END UP WITH A PARKING VIOLATION, STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO CHIEF HALL IS NOT THE FIRST GUY TO GET AWAY WITH IT, AND I THOUGHT IN A 20th CENTURY WAY, I WAS HANDLED PRETTY WELL.

I MEAN, WHEN HALL THE CHIEF WAS CLEARLY DRUNK, JUST BEEN TO WHITE CALF, TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR THINGS, GET SOBER, BUT HE DIDN'T SAY CALL MY FRIEND YOUR CHIEF.

HE DIDN'T DO ANY OF THAT.

HE PARTICIPATED, TRYING TO SAY THE ALPHABET AND THEY TRICKED HIM.

YOU COULDN'T START AT A, YOU HAD TO START AT E. >> AND YOU COULDN'T SING IT.

>> SO HE DID HAVE TROUBLE WITH THAT.

HE TOOK A BREATHALYZER, FAILED THAT, AND GOT OUT AND TRIED TO WALK AND DIDN'T DO WELL ON THAT, BUT HE WAS AT LEAST GOING ALONG WITH THE PROGRAM.

AND WHEN THE OFFICER FOUND OUT THAT HE WAS THE CHIEF FROM HAZELWOOD, HE CALLED THE SERGEANT AND THE SERGEANT DECIDED TO KICK IT UP FURTHER AND GOT THE CHIEF AND THE CHIEF SAID, HEY, I'LL DRIVE HIM HOME.

AND I THOUGHT THIS IS THE WAY IT USED TO BE, AND I WAS NOT OUTRAGED BY IT.

>> I AM.

I MEAN, OUTRAGED, WHATEVER WORD YOU WANT TO USE.

AND I THINK YOU ALL KNOW ME WELL ENOUGH, I'M NOT HUMORLESS ABOUT STUFF LIKE THIS GENERALLY.

THERE'S NOTHING FUNNY ABOUT THIS.

THIS IS DRUNK DRIVING.

WE HAVE LONG -- THE FACT THAT OTHER PEOPLE THAT WE PUNISH TOO LENIENTLY IS NO EXCUSE.

IT'S THE ONE CRIME THAT IS DISPROPORTIONATELY COMMITTED BY WHITE PEOPLE AND BY PEOPLE OF MEANS, AND THEREFORE, IT'S -- IT IS A DANGEROUS CRIME THAT KILLS PEOPLE.

FULL STOP.

THERE'S NOTHING FUNNY ABOUT IT.

HE SHOULD BE PROSECUTED.

>> REALLY?

>> WELL, LET ME FINISH.

HE SHOULD BE PROSECUTED AND DISCIPLINED AT THE VERY LEAST, IF NOT FIRED.

IT IS NOT OKAY.

THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD THEIR LIVES DESTROYED BRING DRUNK DRIVERS AND THIS ATTITUDE THAT, WELL, IT'S THE 20th CENTURY -- I DON'T THINK IT'S FUNNY.

>> I CAN BE FUNNY AND SERIOUS AT THE SAME TIME.

ONE, THESE ARE POLICE OFFICERS.

THESE ARE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE.

NOW, WE'VE GOT OUR SITUATION WITH ST. CHARLES AND THE PROSECUTOR THERE WHO -- THAT DEVELOPED EVEN FURTHER BECAUSE HE REPORTEDLY IS SHOWING HIS BADGE -- ALL THAT.

>> YOU ALL ARE ENFORCING THE LAW AND ON TOP OF THAT, TODAY, IN BOTH THESE TOWNS, PROBABLY SOMEBODY GOT A DWI.

NOW, HOW DO YOU PROSECUTE THAT PERSON -- >> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> -- IF YOU DON'T?

AND BILL, THERE'S FAILING A TEST AND THEN THERE'S FAILING A TEST.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

I'M NOT DEFENDING CHIEF HALL FOR DRUNK DRIVING.

>> NO HE'S, NOT -- >> AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S FUNNY.

I'VE ARGUED BEFORE AND WRITTEN THAT I THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO STOP THE .08 AND PROSECUTE PEOPLE WHO ARE 1.5 AND UP.

AND I WROTE THAT AND I HAD A DOCTOR FROM THE ER CALL ME AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S -- WE DON'T SEE .08 PEOPLE IN HERE.

>> RIGHT.

>> WE GOT TO WORRY ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DRIVING ON THE HIGHWAYS THE WRONG WAY AND GOING -- >> HE WAS A LOT MORE THAN .08.

>> AND RAY, I MEAN -- EVERYBODY AT THIS TABLE UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED YOU'RE SAYING AND WE ALL AGREE WITH YOU.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT THERE IS A CULTURAL DIVIDE, A DEMOGRAPHIC DIVIDE BECAUSE WHEN OUR FATHERS WOULD RUN OUT OF BEER AT THE BLOCK PARTY, THEY'D THROW THE KIDS IN THE BACK SEAT.

THEY WERE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, DRINKING ALL DAY.

NOBODY THOUGHT ANYTHING OF IT.

THANKS TO MOTHERS AGAINST DRUNK DRIVING AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AND COUNTLESS, JUST UNTOLD HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CASUALTIES, THOSE ATTITUDES, I BELIEVE, ARE CHANGING.

>> I ACTUALLY -- I HAVE TO AGREE WITH RAY ON THIS ONE.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DEATHS EVERY YEAR FROM DRUNKEN DRIVING AND IF THAT GUY HAD GONE ANOTHER QUARTER MILE, HE MIGHT HAVE KILLED SOMEBODY.

>> HE PROBABLY WOULDN'T GOT IN TROUBLE FOR THAT.

>> I DON'T KNOW JOHN NESKE, THE O'FALLON CHIEF WHO HAS SINCE RETIRED, BUT HIS DAD WAS A CITY COP AND HE WAS BROUGHT UP IN THIS CULTURE OF COPS GIVE OTHER COPS BREAKS.

>> SORRY, OH, COME ON, BILL -- >> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT HE'S WRONG.

WE HAD A LOT OF THINGS IN THE 20th SEVENL, A WHOLE LIST OF THEM -- >> RAY, THAT'S A PHRASE THAT BILL USES.

LET'S NOT BE SERIOUS ABOUT THAT.

>> AND I'M A 20th CENTURY GUY TOO, BUT -- >> WE GOT TO MOVE ON.

POINTS WELL MADE BY THE QUARTET HERE.

>> BUT SADLY ENOUGH TO REPORT WHEN WE'RE ALL GONE, THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE.

SERIOUSLY.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE TRUTH.

>> OH, I DON'T KNOW.

>> I THINK IT WILL.

>> IT NEEDS TO.

>> WENDY, IT'S TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE SENATE RACE.

THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY FOR U.S. SENATE IN MISSOURI IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER.

SINCE WE MET LAST TIME, VICKY HARTZLER SOUGHT THE ENDORSEMENT FROM FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP AND SHE WAS REJECTED.

NOT ONLY HE DID SAY NO TO HER, HE TWEETED QUIEK PUBLICLY THAT HE WAS NOT ENDORSING HER.

HE STOMPED ON HER.

THEN ERIC R -- THEN ERIC SCHMITT RUNNING ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE AS WELL, THERE'S A FEC COMPLAINT ABOUT HIM.

I DIDN'T THINK TOO MUCH ABOUT THIS COMPLAINT.

IT SAID THAT HE HAD USED HIS OWN SOCIAL MEDIA TO PROMOTE HIMSELF BUT NOT LISTED IT IN FORMAL DOCUMENTS.

IF YOU TWEET ABOUT YOURSELF, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S AN ENDORSEMENT.

>> HOW DO YOU LIST THAT, YEAH?

>> BUT ALSO, HE PAID A POLLSTER FOR A POLL WHICH WAS COMPLIMENTARY OF HIM AND ACTUALLY THIS POLL SHOWED THAT HIS CHANCES OF WINNING WERE GOOD.

THAT DIDN'T SURPRISE ME AT ALL.

I JUST ASSUMED THE CANDIDATES ONLY BOUGHT POLLS THAT PUT THEM IN FIRST PLACE.

>> SURE.

WELL, IN THE WORDS OF MY FRIEND CHARLIE BRENNAN, I THINK THAT'S A BIG NOTHING BURGER.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

HE POSTED SOMETHING FAVORABLE ABOUT HIMSELF ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

OH WOW.

HE PAID A POLLSTER WHO WAS GOING TO GIVE HIM SOME FAVORABLE INFORMATION.

OH WOW.

I THINK HE'S GOING TO WIN.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DOUBT ABOUT IT.

BUT GETTING BACK TO VICKY HARTZLER, IT WASN'T ENOUGH THAT IT -- AND IT WAS IN TRUE DJT FASHION, HE WAS GOING TO, LIKE, SQUISH HER FACE IN IT, THE FACT THAT, YEAH, SHE CALLED ME SEVERAL TIMES AND SHE BEGGED ME OR -- MAKING IT SOUND LIKE SHE HAD REALLY, YOU KNOW, BENT OVER BACKWARDS TO TRY TO GET INTO HIS GOOD GRACES.

HE DIDN'T THINK THAT SHE HAD DONE ENOUGH TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION.

IT WAS JUST TYPICAL TRUMP BULLYING THAT SHE WASN'T GOING TO BE STRONG ENOUGH AGAINST THE DIE Ast -- DIABOLICAL ELITES AND THAT WAS TYPICAL OF VICKY HARTZLER CAMPAIGN SAYING AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE ONLY THING WE CARE ABOUT WAS THE ENDORSEMENT.

>> WHAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING WAS, YOU KNOW, SHE IS JOSH HAWLEY'S CANDIDATE.

>> RIGHT.

>> HE HAS ENDORSED HER AND HE SPENT SIX YEARS CURRYING FAVOR WITH DONALD TRUMP AND, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN LECTURING THE REST OF US ABOUT MANLY MEN AND HOW AMERICA HAS -- AND HERE IS TRUMP SLAPPING HIM REALLY BY DOING THIS TO HIS CANDIDATE, AND WHERE IS -- HOW DOES THE MANLY MAN RESPOND?

1993.

>> HE DIDN'T.

>> YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT EVERYBODY DOES THAT WITH TRUMP.

WHO KNOWSES WHAT'S IN TRUMP'S TWISTED MINE AT THIS MAYBE AND HE'S MAYBE OUT OF CONTROL BECAUSE HE'S SO -- >> MAYBE?

>> I THINK BEYOND WHAT HE HAS BEEN BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE AND SO FORTH.

I THINK THAT HE IS -- WHAT HE DID TO VICKY HARTZLER WAS REALLY CRUEL, ACTUALLY.

>> THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.

>> I KNOW.

I'M SAYING THAT I AGREE WITH YOU.

AS FAR AS ERIC SCHMITT, ERIC SCHMITT HAS BEEN FUNCTIONING ON THE PUBLIC DIME AS AN INSURRECTIONIST FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.

HE HAS DONE EVERYTHING WITH MISSOURI TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS THAT DONALD TRUMP WANTED TO PER PET WAIT THE BIG LIE IN THE PENNSYLVANIA CASE, ALL ON OUR DOLLARS.

HE WAS VICE PRESIDENT OF RAGA, THE ASSOCIATION OF REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS WHEN THEY DID A ROBO-CALL SENDING PEOPLE TO THE JANUARY 6th RALLY.

YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS RECENT STUFF IS NOTHING, BUT HE'S AN INSURRECTIONIST AND HAS BEEN AND PROBABLY WILL BE A SENATOR.

I WOULDN'T BE SO SURE HE'S GOING TO WIN, BUT I WILL SAY THIS.

IT MOVED HIM INTO 1 AND 1-A, A LOT DEPENDS ON WHETHER ERIC GREITENS, WHO IS UNDER ATTACK BY EVERYBODY, FROM THE LEFT, FROM THE RIGHT, IF HE IMPLODES IN THE NEXT TWO OR THREE WEEKS, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT SCHMITT BUS TRUMP JUST KNEECAPPED HARTZLER.

>> YOU'RE SAYING WHAT TRUMP SAID ABOUT HER DOESN'T MATTER -- >> I THINK IT DOES MATTER.

>> IT DOES MATTER, I'M SORRY, BUT HE'S GOING TO END CORES ERIC GREITENS.

>> WE DON'T KNOW THAT.

>> I BELIEVE I DO.

I I'M THINKING HE WOULD, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF HE WILL.

>> AND THE HARTZLER CAMP, ONE, I COULDN'T HAVE ASKED FOR HIS ENDORSEMENT BECAUSE I COULD HAVE SAID, I THINK WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO, I'M NOT GOING TO PUT MYSELF OUT THERE, EMBARRASS MYSELF LIKE THAT.

AND NUMBER TWO, IF I WAS THEIR CAMPAIGN MANAGER, I'D SAY, OKAY, YOU ENDORSED HERSCHEL WALKER FOR SENATE IN GEORGIA, A WINNABLE SEAT THAT'S HOW GOING TO BE LOST BECAUSE OF YOU, SO WHAT DOES IT MATTER.

>> WELL, WALKER CAN WIN THE RACE IF ALL HIS KIDS VOTE.

[ LAUGHTER ] >> WHOO!

>> OH HO HO!

>> CHARLIE WILL BE HERE ALL WEEK!

>> WOWIE, THAT WAS AWESOME.

>> HE WAS A GREAT FOOTBALL PLAYER.

ALVIN REID, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT SOMETHING CLOSER TO HOME.

THERE WERE TWO FRONT PAGE STORIES THAT WERE ANTI-TINA PIHL IN THE TODAY'S POST-DISPATCH PRINT EDITION.

IN ONE, SHE REALLY IS HOLDING UP PROGRESS AT CORTEX AND SAM FIORELLI WHO HEADS UP THE FOUNDATION, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THINGS PASSED BECAUSE ST. LOUIS HAS THIS RULE THAT IF THE LOCAL ALDER PERSON DOESN'T SIGN OFF ON IT WITH A LETTER, IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE.

MEANWHILE, THERE ARE DEVELOPERS IN WHAT WAS KNOWN AS FOREST PARK SOUTHEAST, NOW THE GROVE, WHO SAY WE'VE GOT PERMITS, WE'VE BEEN WAITING -- THAT THEY HAVE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF, THEY'VE BEEN WAITING SINCE FEBRUARY, NOTHING'S HAPPENING HERE.

WHAT'S GOING ON HERE AND THERE IS A BIGGER QUESTION RAISED WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE ALDERMANIC COURTESY IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS?

AND THAT IS IF YOU WANT A PROJECT TO ADVANCE, THE LOCAL ALDER PERSON HAS TO SIGN OFF ON IT.

>> WELL, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF BILL BELICHICK, COACH OF THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS BUT HE HAS THIS PHILOSOPHY WHERE HE TELLS EVERY PLAYER THAT MAKES THE TEAM, DO YOUR JOBS IF IF YOUR JOB IS TO MAKE DECISIONS LIKE THAT, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS.

WHEN YOU RAN FOR OFFICE, YOU HAD TO KNOW THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME YESES AND SOME NOS.

YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE WHERE YOU ARE ON IT AND JUST MAKE THE DECISION AND MOVE ON.

AND TELL THE DEVELOPER YES, NO, OR WITHIN TWO WEEKS, I WILL TELL YOU YES, NO.

BUT ALL THIS JUST LETTING IT JUST GO DOWNSTREAM AND IT'S JUST ME AND ALL THAT, WELL THEN, ABDICATE.

THEN JUST DO SOMETHING OR WHATEVER BECAUSE -- JUST DO YOUR JOB.

>> AND THIS IS NOT ABOUT CORTEX OR THE GROVE OR ANYTHING.

MY CONCERN IS JUST DECIDE AND LET'S MOVE ON.

>> AND I WASN'T REALLY CLEAR FROM THE STORY.

IS SHE SAYING THAT SHE -- IS THIS AN ATTEMPT AT DUE DILIGENCE BECAUSE IF THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS THAT YOU HAVE TO ALSO PROMISE THAT YOU WILL SEND SOME MONEY IN THE DIRECTION OF AN UNDERSERVED AREA, DO YOU THINK THAT WAS IT?

I MEAN -- >> YEAH, I DO.

>> YOU DO?

OKAY.

>> IN FULL DISCLOSURE, I'M DOING MY COLUMN ON IT FOR NEXT WEEK AND I'VE BEEN TALKING TO HER.

HER VIEW -- AND BY THE WAY, I WISH WE HAD MORE ALDER PEOPLE LIKE TINA PIHL.

SHE'S GOT AN AMAZING RESUME WHICH -- >> EXACTLY.

>> YALE, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, HER VIEW WHICH I SHARE IS THAT THE SLD -- MOST ALDER PERSONS WHEN YOU SAY DO YOUR JOB, THEY INTERPRET THAT AS JOB EVERYTHING OUT TO STLDC OR PRIVATE PRO DEVELOPMENT FOLKS TO ANALYZE STUFF.

THEY DO NOT HOLD ANYBODY'S FEET TO THE FIRE ON ANY PROJECT.

NOW, I CAN'T SPEAK TO EVERYTHING AND EVERY POST STORY, BUT I WILL SAY THIS.

HER VIEW IS THAT SLDC'S HISTORY ROLE HAS BEEN TO FACILITATE DEVELOPMENT AS OPPOSED TO EVALUATE IT, THAT'S HER WORDS, AND SHE IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

WE NEED MORE ALDERPERSONS WHO ARE WILLING TO STAND UP AND MAKE -- AND A GOOD EXAMPLE OF -- >> LET ME INTERRUPT YOU A MINUTE, RAY.

ALL WE'RE ASKING AND WHAT THE STORY POINTS OUT IS SHE'S GOT TO GIVE AN ANSWER TO THESE PEOPLE.

I MEAN, IT ISN'T LIKE DUE DILIGENCE OR THIS ISN'T DOING ITS JOB.

IT'S WE'VE GIVEN OUR PROPOSALS TO HER AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING.

IT'S BEEN SINCE FEBRUARY.

>> AND THAT IS OBVIOUSLY -- >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, VERY FRUSTRATING.

>> LIKE ALVIN SAID, HER COMPLAINT IS THAT IT'S ONLY ME, I'M THE ONLY ONE, I NEED HELP.

AT LEAST GET BACK TO PEOPLE.

>> WELL, THAT'S TRUE.

SHE'S GOT TO RESPOND TO THOSE PHONE CALLS.

YOU CAN'T WAIT FOR MONTHS WAITING FOR A PHONE CALL IF THAT'S THE PERSON WHO DECIDES THE PROJECT, BUT IT IS TRUE.

SHE'S OVERSEEING DEVELOPMENT IN CORTEX, FOREST PARK SOUTHEAST, AND THE CENTRAL WEST END AND THAT'S WHERE 90% OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS.

>> AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO GET ELECTED THERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT?

>> HANG ON.

>> OH YEAH, WE WILL MAKE DECISIONS.

I'M BRINGING SUBWAY IN AND WE'LL BE HERE FROM NOON TO 3:00 AND WE'LL DECIDE.

>> THE PROBLEM IS JUST AS BOB CLARK OF CLAYCO TOLD YOU AND WENDY WIESE LAST WEEK ON NEXT UP, WHICH WAS A FANTASTIC INTERVIEW, THE DEVELOPERS DON'T KNOW TWLAT RULES ARE IN ST. LOUIS.

THEY DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS.

DO YOU HAVE TO GIVE MONEY TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND OR DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO A CAMPAIGN?

AND HE SAYS UNLIKE OTHER CITIES THAT HE WORKS IN, IT'S A MESS AND HE WAS REALLY CRITICAL OF THE WHOLE PROCESS.

>> AND TINA PIHL HAS HAD 20 YEARS AFTER HER EDUCATION IN THE BUSINESS OF CITY PLANNING.

SHE'S WORKED IN BOULDER, SHE'S WORK -- LET ME FINISH.

SHE'S WORKED IN BOULDER, SHE'S WORKED IN DENVER AND SHE CAN'T BELIEVE COMING HERE HOW -- TO YOUR POINT, THAT NOBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON.

>> THEN WHY DID SHE RUN FOR OFFICE?

>> BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO BE FIX IT.

YOU KEEP TALKING -- >> TO BE FAIR, MANY PLACES YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU'RE PART OF THE MACHINERY.

>> I DISAGREE WITH THAT.

I NEVER -- >> YOU TAKE THAT STORY AND MAKE THAT CONCLUSION -- >> I'M NEVER GOING TO RUN FOR OFFICE, BUT IF I DID, I'M GOING A YES OR NO PERSON AND I'M GOING TO DECIDE AND AFTER FOUR YEARS, IF YOU WANT TO THROW ME OUT OF HERE, THEN THROW ME OUT AND I'LL GET A REAL JOB AND I DON'T CARE WHERE YOU WENT TO COLLEGE OR WHAT YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS.

WHEN YOU RUN FOR OFFICE, YOU MAKE DECISIONS -- >> WELL, YOU WANT TO GET THE JOB DONE.

>> SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS, I WAS STRUCK BY THE FACT AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS WERE AS WELL.

SOME OF THESE DEVELOPERS WERE GIVEN MISINFORMATION ABOUT PARK CENTRAL AND FOREST PARK SOUTHEAST, AND I WAS -- I THOUGHT OH MY GOD, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST A CITY-COUNTY SITUATION.

WE CAN'T EVEN GET OUR NEIGHBORHOODS -- >> YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT.

>> I MEAN, THAT IS -- THAT IS -- THAT SAYS A LOT.

>> YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT AND AS FAR AS THE CORTEX PROJECT, WHICH IS WHAT WE OUGHT TO BE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT SOME OF THE WEALTHIEST AND POLITICALLY POWERFUL -- >> NO, NO, WE'RE NOT DOING GITE YOU'RE MIXING THE STORIES UP.

THE STORY -- >> NO, NO.

>> I READ THEM, OKAY?

[ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] >> TELL THEM NO OR TELL THEM YES.

>> THAT'S ONE OF THE STORIES.

THE OTHER STORY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

SHE'S, PLENTY COMMUNICATIVE WITH CORTEX.

SHE'S NOT TELLING THEM WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR.

AND ON THE SECOND STORY, WHICH IS THE ONE BASED ON THE ZOOM CALL THE OTHER DAY THAT CORTEX HAD THAT I HAPPENED TO SEE, CORTEX WANTS WHAT CORTEX ALWAYS GETS, WHICH IS THEY THINK THAT DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE ALL THIS RESOURCES, THEY SHOULD -- THEY ARE ENTITLED TO A TIF.

>> IT AIN'T HAPPENING.

>> OKAY, OKAY.

>> SHE HAS, SHE HAS.

>> LET'S MOVE ON.

MAYBE BRING THIS TOPIC UP ON ANOTHER DAY BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT TO TALK ABOUT, INCLUDING, RAY, WE HAVEN'T HEARD ENOUGH FROM YOU ALREADY.

WE'LL HEAR MORE RIGHT NOW.

>> I'LL PASS.

>> THAT IS MANCHESTER, CITY OF MANCHESTER WANTS TO ANNEX ABOUT 1400 ACRES OF UNINCORPORATED ST. LOUIS COUNTY THAT INCLUDES 6500 RESIDENTS AND SOME PRIME RETAIL LOCATIONS THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE SALES TAXES FOR THE CITY OF MANCHESTER.

THAT'S HOW IT WORKS AROUND HERE.

IN HIS WEEKLY PRESS CONFERENCE ON WEDNESDAY MORNING, COUNTY EXECUTIVE SAM PAGE SPENT THE ENTIRE TIME SAYING IT'S A BAD IDEA BECAUSE AMONG OTHER THINGS, MANCHESTER -- OR UNINCORPORATED ST. LOUIS COUNTY IS GETTING VERY GOOD POLICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY PROTECTION AT A VERY GOOD PRICE.

WHERE DO YOU STAND ON THIS?

>> GEE, AND VOTE FOR SAM PAGE.

NO, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A NICE CAMPAIGN AD TO MAKE THAT POINT.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF US HAVE MANY FACTS ABOUT THE SPECIFIC -- SPECIFICS OF THIS.

FIRST OF ALL, BUT IF THE CITY OF MANCHESTER IS COMFORTABLE WITH THEIR ABILITY OF THEIR POLICE FORCE AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO IT, I THINK THEY DON'T NEED TO BE LECTURED BY SAM PAGE.

>> SHOULDN'T IT BE UP TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE UNINCORPORATED ST. LOUIS COUNTY WHETHER THEY WANT TO BECOME PART OF MANCHESTER?

>> NO, I THINK SURE -- >> THAT'S LIKE RUSSIA GOING INTO UKRAINE.

>> WE DON'T HAVE THE FACTS, BUT HIS POINT THAT -- I DON'T THINK HE'S DONE ANYTHING TO POLL THOSE PEOPLE.

MY POINT IS, SURE, I DON'T THINK THE PEOPLE SHOULD BE ANNEXED AGAINST THEIR WILL.

THAT'S NOT WHAT HE'S SAYING.

>> THAT'S WHAT APRIL'S ELECTION IS ALL ABOUT AND HAS PROBABLY THE ONLY PERSON ON THIS PANEL WHO LIVED IN MANCHESTER, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEIR POLICE PROTECTION WAS OUTSTANDING.

ABSOLUTELY OUTSTANDING, AND THE MAYOR JUST SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT A TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT.

SO LET'S LET THE VOTERS DECIDE.

>> WAS YOU CALLING THE POLICE ALL THE TIME?

>> NO, I'M SAYING WE LIVED ON A RESIDENTIAL -- IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

>> I -- >> WHAT WERE YOUR COMPLAINTS, KAREN?

>> THE PEOPLE NEXT DOOR KEPT THEIR RADIO TOO LOUD IN THE MASTER BEDROOM AT NIGHT.

>> AND SAM PAGE LIKES TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT BECAUSE TALK ABOUT THAT ELECTION WITH THE WHISTLEBLOWER COMING UP AND ALL THE STUFF HE DOESN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT.

>> KIRKWOOD ANNEXED BEACH PARK AND THERE WAS PROBABLY CRICKETS COMING FROM THIS SHOW AND EVERYWHERE PLACE ELSE.

I'M LIKE YOU, IF THE PEOPLE OF MANCHESTER UNINCORPORATED WANT TO BE ANNEXED -- AND I'VE NEVER LIVED ANY PLACE THAT HAD AS MANY UNINCORPORATED AREAS AS ST. LOUIS.

>> YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT.

>> BUT HE DID MAKE IT SOUND LIKE SUDDENLY THE KEYSTONE COPS WOULD BE PATROLLING THE STREETS -- >> WHICH IS RIDICULOUS.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, BILL, BECAUSE BEFORE THE SHOW TODAY, I WENT TO THE CULVER HOUSE, WHICH IS THAT 1886 BUILDING NEXT TO THE SYMPHONY THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING TORN DOWN.

YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT.

MEANWHILE, THERE WAS A STORY, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH PUBLICATION, ONE OF YOURS, I'M SURE, WHICH TOOK A LOOK AT THE STATUS OF THE AT&T BUILDING.

>> THE BUSINESS JOURNAL.

>> YEAH, THE BUSINESS JOURNAL.

THE BUSINESS JOURNAL SHOWED THAT THE AT&T BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1986 AND IT'S GOING TO GET HISTORIC STATUS, WE THINK, BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER.

MEANWHILE, THE 1886 BUILDING IS GETTING TORN DOWN.

DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE TO YOU?

>> YES, IT DOES.

I THINK THE 1986 BUILDING IS MORE HISTORICAL THAN THE 1886.

HISTORY.

THERE'S A STORY -- WHAT IS THE CULVER HOUSE STORY?

PEOPLE LIVED IN HOUSES IN ST. LOUIS IN 1886.

THE AT&T BUILDING IN 2006 GOT SOLD FOR 204 MILLION.

NOW IT'S SOLD FOR 4 MILLION.

THAT'S A STORY.

THAT'S LIKE IF YOU BOUGHT -- >> THAT'S HISTORY.

>> YOU BOUGHT A 200,000 HOUSE IN 2006 AND YOU SOLD IT TODAY FOR 4,000, THAT'S A STORY AND IT GOES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> BILL IS RIGHT.

>> THE DOWNTOWN -- THE PROBLEMS OF DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS.

I THINK IT IS HISTORICAL.

>> IT'S A HISTORIC TESTAMENT TO ARROGANCE AND CIVIC MALPRACTICE THAT I WAS PART OF THE ARGUMENT BACK IN THE '80s WHEN THEY TORE DOWN THE TITLE GUARANTEE AND THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING, AND BUILT THE FABULOUS GATEWAY MALL IN ITS PLACE, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE MONUMENTS TO STUPIDITY.

I WILL SAY THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO STORIES IS THE 1886 BUILDING, WHICH SEEMS TO ME IS SOMEWHAT PRECIOUS, IS BEING TORN DOWN.

NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT TEARING DOWN THE 1986 BUILDING.

THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GET SOME STUPID TAX CREDITS.

I DO NOT THINK THEY SHOULD GET THEM AND I DO NOT THINK IT SHOULD BE LISTED, BUT I AGREE WITH BILL'S ANALYSIS.

>> SAYING BECAUSE IT'S NEW ISN'T HISTORICAL IS ALMOST LIKE SAYING THE TITANIC WASN'T REALLY HISTORICAL BECAUSE IT ONLY MADE ONE VOYAGE.

>> I GET THAT, I GET THAT.

>> BUT WASN'T THIS ALSO -- >> IT SHOULDN'T BE GETTING HISTORIC TAX CREDITS.

>> IT WAS THE SOUTHWESTERN BELL BUILDING -- >> IT WAS ONE BELL CENTER.

>> AND THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS THE CEO HAD SOME TROUBLES -- >> WHITAKER.

>> AND HE TOOK HIS BALLS AND WENT TOMORROW TO DALLAS.

>>.

>> SAN ANTONIO.

>> SAN ANTONIO.

ANOTHER HISTORIC -- >> THERE YOU GO.

>> AT PIECE OF HISTORY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THAT BUILDING OR THE OTHER BELL BUILDING, A PLATE OF GLASS FELL OUT OF A WINDOW AND INJURED SOME PEOPLE AND ONE WOMAN QUOTED IN YOUR NEWSPAPER SAID I THOUGHT IT WAS THE END OF THE WORLD AND SHE KIND OF HAD IT RIGHT.

>> ON THAT NOTE.

WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US.

WE'LL READ THE LETTERS IN JUST A PROGRAMMING, BUT A QUICK PROGRAMMING NOTE AND THAT IS ON NEXT UP, RAY AND I WILL BE TALKING TO DR. ZIYAD AL-ALY WHO'S BEEN IN ALL THE NEWSPAPERS AROUND THE COUNTRY THIS WEEK BECAUSE HE'S TAKING A LOOK AT REINFECTION RATES AND COVID-19.

WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WHEN HE JOINS US IN JUST A MATTER OF MOMENTS, BUT FIRST LET'S SEE WHAT'S IN THE MAIL BAG.

IF TRUDY BUSCH VALENTINE CAN'T EVEN RESPOND TO CHANNEL 4'S DEBATE INVITATION, HOW RESPONSIVE WOULD SHE BE TO HER CONSTITUENTS?

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

JUST WHO ARE YOU COMPARING VALENTINE AS BEING IN OVER HER HEAD?

AT WORST, SHE IF ITS RIGHT IN AND I'M -- FITS RIGHT IN AND I'M PRETTY SURE MANY SENIOR HER A GREAT IMPROVEMENT.

DEBATING IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT IS NOT AN END-ALL TO EVALUATING THE CANDIDATES.

MAYBE IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEND SOMEONE TO THE U.S. SENATE WHO DOESN'T HAVE ANGER MANAGEMENT ISSUES.

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