>> "DONNYBROOK" IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORT OF THE BETSY AND THOMAS PATTERSON FOUNDATION THE MEMBERS OF N >> IT'S THURSDAY.

WE GOT LOTS TO TALK ABOUT.

LET'S MEET THE PANELISTS.

FROM THE BIG 550, WENDY WIESE.

JACOB KERN SITTING IN FOR THE VACATIONING BILL McCLELLAN.

WITH THE ST. LOUIS BUS JOURNAL, WELCOME BACK, JAC RAY HARTMANN.

ONE NOW HE'S WITH SUBSTACK.

FROM THE ST. LOUIS AMERICAN, MR. ALVIN REI D. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH YOU, JACOB.

WELCOME BACK, THANKS S YOU HAD LOOKING AT GOVERNOR MIKE PARSONS VETO, $53 BILLION BUDGET.

HE CUT ABOUT HALF DOLLARS OUT.

HE TOOK LINE WALKWAY IN DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS.

$40 MILL HEALTH CENTER FOR ST. LOUIS COMMUNITY CO DEMOLITION.

ALSO $10 MILLION OUT OF REPAIRS FOR OUR 911 SYSTEM.

DID HE GO TOO FAR?

>> IT WAS INTERESTING TOO.

THERE WERE ALL KINDS PROJECTS.

MSD HAD MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CUT.

THE GOSPEL MUSEUM, THOSE CHURCHES IN THE CENTRAL WEST END.

NUMBER OF PROJECTS.

THEN, THERE WERE LOT O IN OUT STATE PLACES.

DOZENS AND DOZENS OF THEM.

MAY BE NOT AS HIGH DOLLAR AMOUNT.

IF IT'S PROPORTIONAL TO POPULATION OR TO GDP OR ECONOMIC POWER, MAYBE IT WAS KIND OF RIGHT IN TERMS OF WH TO CUT FROM TO GET TO WHAT WAS CALLING A MORE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE PLACE.

HE'S SAYING, THE B FORWARD, IS NOT GOING TO B ROSY AS IT IS NOW WITH THE FEDERAL MONEY RUNNING, IT COULD BE A RECESSION.

>> THE 911, THE CUTS, THOSE REDUCTIONS AND THEN THE SEWER CUTS.

LOUIS IN AN EVEN MORE PRECARIOUS SPOT THAN WE ARE NOW.

FOR SOMEBODY WHO W CONCERNED ABOUT THE CIRCUIT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

THIS IS IN TERMS OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUBLIC HEALTH.

>> HE KEPT THE MONEY IN FOR THE SYMPHONY.

WHAT'S THE PERSONAL INVESTIGATIO I-- CONNECTION.

>> I WOULD SAY THIS, THERE'S AN OCCUPATIONAL HAZARD TO BEING CALLED GOVERNOR WHEN YOUR PARTY IS AGAINST GOVERNMENT.

THAT'S REALLY AGAINST -- I AGREE WITH YOUR ANALYSIS THAT WE DON'T KNOW YET HOW PROPORTIONALLY WORSE IT IS IN ST. LOUIS THAN ANYWHERE ELSE.

THE BIGGER QUESTION IS, WE'RE NOT HAVING SERVICES PROVIDED BECAUSE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS AGAINST SERVICES.

>> YOU RAY.

BE MONEY.

IT HAS HALF BILLION DOLLAR.

>> JUST BECAUSE THIS MONEY IS THERE, THAT DOES NOT MEAN JU START SPENDING IT.

I GET THAT PART.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT T FAR AS THE C WITH THE STATE I CAN'T ON JUST BECAUSE YOU GOT THIS MONEY, IT INSTANTLY NEEDS TO GO TO EVERY PROJECT.

I WILL SAY THAT WERE EARMARKED.

WHAT DO WE HAVE A SHOR NOT ONLY IN ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI AND IT'S A SHORTAGE OF HEALTHCARE WORKERS.

THE ST. LOUIS COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

HERE'S A ACUTE PROBLEM NOT ONL HERE BUT EVERYWHERE, WHY TARGET THAT?

KICKING OUR TAIL.

THEY HAVE A LIKES, QUINTON LUCAS.

HE WALKS IN THE ROOM AND IS SMILING.

HE'S A STATE SENATOR.

HE'S GOT MORE MONE DISTRICT, $4 MILLION THAN THE ENTIRE CITY OF ST.

COMBINED.

HOSPITAL.

SAY, YOU REPUBLICANS, YOU ARE MY FRIEND.

DECENT ENOUGH RELATIONSHIP WITH THE GO HSHE ATTACKS ON THE CITY AND CREDITED HER LOBBYING TEAM AND HER RELATIONSHIPS WITH JEFFERSON CITY.

SHE WAS A STATE REP. >> CHARLIE, YOU'RE NOT READING THE KANSAS CITY STAR MUCH.

THEY DON'T VIEW THAT RELATIONSHIP QUITE AS YOU DO.

TISHAURA THE MISSOU SHE'S GOT GOOD CONTACTS.

>> OKAY, LET'S GET TO THE 911 MONEY.

THAT MONEY WOULD BE CUT OUT OF THE ST. LOUIS BUDGET.

WENDY WIESE, WE HAD ANOTHER HORRIFIC EXAMPLE HOW THE POOR THE 911 SYSTEM IS IN ST. LOUIS CITY AND APPARENTLY IN THE COUNTY, A TREE FELL ON A 5-YEAR-OLD BOY IN JENNINGS.

ACCORDING TO THOSE NEARBY, THEY CALLED 911 AND COULD NOT GET RESULT.

SAME THEM HAPPENED ON CHEAUTEAU ON SATURDAY.

33-Y WHILE A TREE FELL HUNDRE ON HER ON.

HER FRIENDS CALLED 911.

THEY DIDN'T ANSWER FOR HALF AN HOUR.

I NEVER HEARD ANY CITY IN THE COUNTRY WHERE 911 IS NOT ANSWERED.

WITHIN A MINUTE OR TWO.

HERE, THEY DON'T ANSWER IT ALL.

BETH.

IT HAPPE AUTHORS.

>> IT IS UNBELIEVABLE.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT JUST POP UP.

DISCUSSING FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

THE WILL DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THERE TO CONNECT ALL OF THE DOTS.

AT LEAST CONFERENCES, THEY WILL SAY WE ARE GOING TO INCREASE THE NUMB OF EMS OPERATORS.

WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING AB POLICE, EMS AND THE FIRE.

NOTHING IS HAPPENING IN TERMS OF THE NUMBERS.

MEANWHILE, THIS YEARS OLD, SHE WENT TO ROCKWOOD SUMMIT.

UNIVERSITY, HER FAMILY IS ASKING THAT HER DEATH NOT BE POLITICALIZED.

HER DEATH, BUT THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT HAS GOT TO BE SOLVED BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING NATIONAL NEWS.

NEWS FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS >> OVERVIEW PHRASE IS ZERO TOLERANCE.

FOR NEXT ONE OF THESE.

I'M NOT POLITICALIZING IT.

I'M NOT SURE WHO'S AT FAULT WHETHER IT'S STATE, CITY OR WHATEVER.

EVERY NIGHT, EVERY WEEK, WEEK END AND WEEK OUT.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY INTOLERABLE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY IT.

>> HOW MANY OTHER MEDICAL EMERGENCIES -- >> THEY AR THE UNIFIED -- THE FEDERAL MONEY, THE RAM MONEY IS LOCKED AWAY.

WHY?

THE RFP SHOULD GO OUT TODA ONE DEATH IS TOO MANY.

>> I THINK YOU NEED IN CHARGE.

LIKE GABE GORE.

TOGETHER.

I'M NOT MAKING ANY EXCUSE FOR ANYBODY BECAUSE I WAS OUT OF TOWN WHEN THIS STORM ROLLED THROUGH.

IT WAS AND WHAT'S GOIN I WASN'T HERE.

I WILL SAY INSTANCE, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THEY WERE INUNDATED WITH 911 CALLS.

TO THERE'S A LIMB HANGIN ELECTRIC LINE.

EVERYBODY IS MAY BE WE NEED LITTLE BIT OF EDUCATION ON WHEN TO CALL 911.

>> FAIR POINT.

911 OFTEN DOESN'T WORK WHEN THE WEATHER IS NICE.

YOU NEW CIRCUIT ATTORNEY CALLED THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST CITY A YEAR OF SERVICE TO GET THE JOB DONE AFTER KIM GARDNER LEFT OFFICE.

MAY BE T HAS NO EXPERIENCE IN 911 COMMUNICATIONS, SHOULD SAY TO ONE OF THE MANY SEMIRE BUSINESSMEN WHO RUN OPERATIONS AND MET PAYROLLS.

OKAY, RICHARD MARK FROM AMEREN, ILLINOIS YOU GOT TO HEAD UP THE COMMISSION ON 911.

OR IT'S DAVID STEWART OR SOMEBODY.

>> THE CIRCUIT ATTORNEY'S HAS BROUGHT BUSINESS EXECUTIVES.

>> THAT MAKES SENSE OKAY, THAT'S THE NONSTARTER FOR LIVING IN THE CITY.

NOT THAT I PLANNED TO MOVE, I DON'T MEAN THAT IN MEAN SPIRITED WAY.

NEVER MIND THIS AND THAT, THE THING IS THAT IF I FALL DO OWN STEPS AND BREAK MY HIP, I NEED AN AMBULANCE TO BE THERE IN LIKE FIVE MINUTES.

>> I TELL YOU SOMETHING THAT MIGHT SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE WAY THE CITY W I LIVE ON THE HILL.

I OFTEN HAVE TO AWAY IF MY DRIVEWAY.

THEY ARE T THEY ARE THERE 20 MINUTES LESS.

>> IT'S ALSO, IT'S NOT JUST PEOPLE LIVING IN PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE CITY.

PEOPLE WHO COME TO A GAME IN THE CITY.

OR "NEW YORK TIMES" SENDING THEIR TRAVEL WRITER TO ST. LOUIS -- LET HOPE THEY DIDN'T.

OTHER CITIES DO HAVE PROBLEM I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANOTHER CITY WHERE THEY DON'T ANSWER 911.

>> YOU HAVE A 33-YEAR-OLD WOMAN WITH HER GROCERIES IN THE CAR AS BYSTANDERS DO EVERYTHING THEY CA THEY ARE TELLING THE O SHE'S SLIPPING AWAY.

>> IN KIRKWOOD W THING GOING ON.

THEY A CALL 911 IF YOU SEE A COYOTE.

>> WAIT TIMES DID GO UP IN DENVER.

> PEOPLE.

ABOUT A STORY THAT WAS BROKEN BY KSDK.

BETWEEN THE MAYOR AND FATHER.

THEN FOUND OUT THAT AFTER KIM GARDNER THE CIRCUIT ATTORNEY, HAD ANNOUNCED SHE WAS LE OFFICE, THE MAYOR AND THE OTHERS DID NOT WANT STEVE ROBERTS, MISSOURI LAWMAKER, TO GET THAT JOB AND THEY WERE GOIN COORDINATE EFFORTS TO PREVENT HIM FROM GETTI THEY FOUND OUT T STEWART, THE FORMER CEO OF WORLDWIDE TECHNOLOGY, HE ACTUALLY PLAYED A ROLE IN GABE GORE GETTING THAT JOB.

WHAT DID Y WERE THEY UNTORED AND UNAPPROPRIATE?

WILL BE WHAT YOU HEARD EVERY FIVE MINUTES.

EXCEPT, I'M NOT TW WHOEVER I NEEDED TO SAY SOMETHING TO, I WILL WOULD SAY IT TO THEM.

I HONESTLY, IF YOU'RE A TRACTOR OF THE MAYOR, YOU THE AND THAT AND THE OTHER THING.

WHO DID IT.

PEOPLE SAY THAT' TALKS.

WOULD SAY SHE SHOULDN'T TALKED LIKE THAT.

BECAUSE HE CURSED PEOPLE OUT.

I GOT 11 MILLION REASONS WHY I DON'T LIKE DONALD TRUMP.

FOUL LANGU THEM.

>> I THINK THE MAYOR HAS -- WHEN SHE CAME IN OFFICE, IT WAS BLACK GIRL MAGIC AND SORT OF A SISTERHOOD.

OF THE WORDS, SOME OF THE PRACTICSTUFFABOUT WOMEN.

SHE IS OUR LEADER.

I TH HOPE, AT LEAST, FOR MORE FROM HER IN THAT REGARD >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S INTERESTING IN THE TEX POLITICIANS WHAT THEY ARE THINKI SAYING IN PUBLIC.

THERE'S ALL THESE MESSAGES FROM HER THAT ARE ABOUT KIM GARDNER SHE'S TALKING TO GERVAIS AND TALKING TO RICHARD.

THERE SOMETHING ABOUT KIM GARDNER'S USE AND -- TISHAURA SAID -- >> SHE CLAIMED THAT CHANNEL 5 COMBED THROUGH HER TEXT AND MADE UP THIS STORY.

I DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING UNLAWFU WHAT SHE DID.

>> YOU SAID DON'T SUNSHINE PHONE TO REPORTERS ON A RADIO STATION.

>> CAN I FOLLOW UP ON THAT?

I THINK WE'VE BEEN ON THE AIR TWO OR THREE MONTHS IN 1987 WHEN A SENATOR FOLLOWED ME.

IT WAS ONE OF THE EARLY SHOWS.

I WOULD SAY THIS, IF TISHAURA JONES CAREER ENDED TODAY SHE HAS A GREAT POLITICAL CAREER, IF SHE WANTS TO TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL, IT'S NOT ABOUT LANGUAGE, SHE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO RISE ABOVE.

APPROPRIATE IN THE CIRCUIT ATTORNEY SELECTION.

I THINK SHE COULD BE SOMETHING SPECIAL.

THOSE TEXTS DIDN'T LOOK DIDN'T LOOK LIKE SOMEBODY RISING ABOVE THE FRAY.

>> OKAY.

EDMONDS AND COMMENTS HE MADE IN A BROADCAST.

JIM EDMO GREAT AND DOING THE ANALYSIS.

IN A RECENT BROADCAST, HE SAID THAT THE CLEVELAND INDIANS NAME NEVER BOTHERED HIM.

>> HE INVOKED HIS WI NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE.

IT WASN'T A HUGE LOCAL STORY.

IT MADE THE NATIONAL PAPERS.

SPORTS ILLUSTRATED FOR EXAMPLE.

I'M WONDERING, DID HE STEP INTO IT?

JI IS HE IN TROUBLE?

>> APPARENTLY NOT FO ST. LOUIS.

BLOWBACK.

FOR HIS PERSONAL LIFE IN TABLOIDS DOZENS AND DOZENS OF TIMES.

BE THE ONE READING THOSE.

I HAVE SEEN ABOUT ENOUGH FROM JIM EDMONDS IN TERMS OF THE COMMENTS.

ARE AT HOUSE AND THE DIVORCE.

IT'S JUST ENOUGH.

I HAD ENOUGH TO >> WHEN I WAS ON BASEBALL WEEKLY, WE DIDN'T WANT TO THE INDIAN LOGO THAT THE INDIANS HAD.

WE GOT TOLD BY M BASEBALL, NO, RUN THE INDIAN.

THIS WAS IN EARLY '90s.

THAT'S WHY THE INDIANS NAME WENT.

CHIEFS.

BRAVES.

THE REDSKINS.

I DON'T KNOW IF CRITICAL OF ONE AND NOT THE OTHER WHERE I STAND.

I THINK EVERYBODY HAS THEI LIMIT AND REDSKINS WAS BEYOND IT.

YOU ASKED EARLIER ABOUT THE CHOP.

IF I WAS THE COMMISSIONER OF MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBAL NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE, I WOULD 15-YARD PENALTY.

THIS.

THE IDEA THAT THEY ALWAYS WANT TO PRESENT THESE POLLS OF ALL THE DIFFERENT GROUPS.

THERE ARE SOME GRO CARE.

THEY DO CARE.

IT'S HURTFUL IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON.

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW HURTFUL IT REALLY IS IN THE LONG RUN TO USE THE TERM INDIANS.

REDSKINS, I DO BELIEVE THAT'S A PEJORATIVE.

>> WHATEVE GOING TO CHA THEY GOT A R IT'S NOT BECAUSE PEOPLE DECIDED WE DON'T LIKE YOU ANYMORE.

>> THERE'S A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT CALL THEMSELVES GUARDIANS.

THEY CLEVELAND GUARDIANS.

HE'S RIGHT.

IT'S YESTERDAY'S ISSUE.

IT'S SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T NEED LOT OF ATTENTION FROM US.

>> MATTERS OF RACE AND ETHNICITY, THE SUPREME COURT AND THE UNITED STATES CAN'T USE RACE IN ADMISSIONS.

CASE INVOLVING TWO CARS, HARVARD AND NORTH CAROLINA.

JONES, SHE'S GETTING HER TIME ON THE SHOW T SHE SAID LET'S BE CLEAR.

IT'S A RACIST DECISION.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE?

>> I WOULD SAY THIS, IT'S NOT -- THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, I DID A PIECE CALLED "BLINDED BY THE WHITE" ONLY BIAS AND HIRING IN ADMISSIONS IS WHITE PEOPLE.

I SAY THIS DURING MINORITY CONTRACTS.

CONTRACTORS.

MINORITY CON PEOPLE OF COLOR AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, CONTRACTORS.

IT'S A GIVEN.

I ALWAYS THOUGHT, FOR EXAMPL MINORITY CONTRACTS, WHICH IS MUCH LIKE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.

IT'S THE FIRST DEMAND IS 100% OF THE BUSINESS GOES TO WHITE MEN.

MINORITY CONTRACTORS COMIN WITH A 20% COUNTEROFFER.

IT'S THE SAME THING WITH HARVARD.

OVERTIME, IT HAS BECOME AN EFFORT TO SIMPLY LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD A LITTLE BIT.

WE JUST DON'T ACCEPT THAT WHITE IS A RACE.

>> YOU CAN UNITED STATES WHER CONSTITUTION SAYS YO DISCRIMINATE BASED ON RA >> FIRST OF ALL, THE CONSTITUTION HAD THE SLAVE ACT IN IT HAD BLACK PEOPLE BEING 3/5 OF A PEOPLE.

>> BOARD MEMBER OF THE ACLU, YOU DON' >> I DO BELIEVE IT THE CONSTITUTION -- > RACE A PREFERENCE YOU ALLOW -- >> WE GIVE IT TO WHITE PEOPLE AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS A COUNTEROFFER.

WILL OF THE PEOPLE?

EVEN IN VERY LIBERAL CALIFORNI OVERWHELMINGLY FAILED SEVERAL YE >> SEVERAL >> I THOUGHT IT WAS WRONG THEN.

I THINK IT'S WRONG AS LONG AS YOU TALKING ABOUT QUALIFIED PEOPLE, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT RACIAL QUOTES.

THE IDEA INSTITUTIONS WHETHER THEY BE BUSINESSES AND THEY WILL BE NEXT, WHETHER IT BE SCHOOLS, FOR THEM TO WANT TO DIVERSIFY AND TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT RACE AS A FACTOR, I THINK IT'S PERFECTLY REASONABLE.

ARE NOT -- >> THAT'S ABOUT.

HAPPENS.

THIS IS ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE.

>> I DISAGREE ON THAT ONE.

>> THERE'S ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO THAT.

THAT ARE CONCERNED REALL CARE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE.

I WILL SAY THIS, THE DECISION WAS NOT RACIST.

IT WAS RACIAL.

ALSO, MY WIFE AND I SAID, IF BLACK PEOPLE, BIG BUSINESS, COULDN'T GET AROUND THIS KIND OF THING, WHERE WOULD BLACK PEOPLE NOW.

UP IN THE AIR AND ACT CRAZ LET'S GET ON TO THE NEXT THING.

HARVARD YOU'LL FIGURE IT OUT.

NORTH CAROLINA YOU'LL FIGURE OUT.

>> THEY WILL.

WHAT AWARDING POINTS AZONSE -- BASED ON SKIN COLOR OR CLASS.

>> THE WHOLE LEGACY THING.

I WA >> WE HAVE ABOUT TWO MINUTES TO GO.

LONG TIME COUNTY EXECUTIVE FOR ST. CHARLES ANNOUNCED HE'S NOT RUNNING FOR REEL I THINK HE'S DONE A GREAT JOB.

WHAT SAY YOU?

>> I DO.

ST >> THAT'S HIS PROBLEM.

>> I THINK IT'S A SIGN OF THE TIMES.

NOT ONLY PERSON OF INTEGRITY B A PERSON OF PRINCIPLE.

I HAPPEN TO DISAGREE WITH LOT OF THOSE PRINCIPLES.

IT'S POSSIBLE TWO DISAGREE WITH ONE ANOTHER.

IT'S SAD THAT HIS TIME, HE FEELS IS DONE.

GOOD FOR H >> HE PUTS THE REGION FIRST.

WHICH IS REALLY INTERESTING.

>> IT'S BEEN INTERESTING HI M, I THINK, SEE THE WRITING ON THE WALL FOR ST. LOUIS.

I THINK HE KNEW HE TO BE RUNNING BEYOND THIS TERM.

HE'S COME OUT AND GET PRETTY AGGRESSIVE ABOUT THE MESSAGING.

IF THE CITY DOESN'T TURN T AROUND, ST. LOUIS COUNTY AFTER A LONG TIME BEING FL DECLINE.

HE'S SAYING, THIS WI ST. CHARLES LONG-TERM.

WE HAVE A BIG PR >> 15 SECONDS.

>> I I DON'T THINK HE'S DONE YET.

STEVE EHLMANN GOT SOMETHING UP HIS SLEEVE.

>> W HAD TO SAY ABOUT LAST WEEK'S PROGRAM.

LIBRARY SYSTEM AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER.

ISSUE WAS A TEMPEST IN A TEACUP.

WHAT WAS NOT MENTIONED HUGE MAJORITY OF THE 350 PEOPLE WHO SHOWED UP AT THE BOARD MEETING WAS THERE TO SUPPORT THE LIBRARY.

CHARLES.

DONNYBROOK PROVOCATEUR.

HE MANAGES THE DIS AND HUMOR.

KIRKWOOD.

DAN DUNC TO WHAT ST. LOUIS CITY ALDERWOMAN OR ST. LOUIS COUNTY CO LESS AN ISSUE HOW MUCH THEY GET PAID AND MORE ABOUT SHOULD BE IN POSIT THEMSELVES A RAISE.

MR. DUNCAN LIVES IN CALVERTON PARK.

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