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>> Thanks for joining us for the program Last Call where we discuss some of the topics we couldn't get to in the first 28 or so minutes.

Alvin Reid, last week we were talking about the uh homecoming parade at Missou.

And uh unfortunately there was violence uh at 1:20 in the morning on the Sunday after uh homecoming in Colombia uh this past week and that is when a junior at Stephens College was shot and killed by someone from Florida who was driving through Colombia and he shot into a crowd.

I don't know all the details, but the chancellor of the University of Missouri system, Mun Choi, said uh first he implored the city of Columbia to do something about crime and then he described what he says kind of the crime is out of control.

Um I I kind of give him some props for expressing outrage and not taking you know a murder uh with uh you know casually.

What do you think?

>> Well, I think okay violence especially someone being shot and killed is just horrific.

However, um this happens here a lot too.

There'll be something going on downtown and hours later somebody shot and then oh they shot up the Fourth of July.

It was 2:00 in the morning, you know.

So, kind of the same thing.

While I appreciate him being concerned, I thought his alarm was a bit much.

I don't think Colombia is experiencing this fatal crime wave.

And he made it sound like you could go out your dorm room without bullets chasing you.

And I just I think it was a bit much by the chancellor.

I'll say that.

I think she was a beautiful young scholarship student.

I think that every parent who has had a a daughter or a son attend Missou and and especially like recently there were these stories about what mothers are contracting with interior designers to do their daughter's dorm rooms.

I mean just outrageous amounts of money.

So the the the the princesses have to feel safe and the parents of those young women have to also feel safe.

I think he was I think he was pitch perfect.

You know, one is too many.

One is too many.

>> Well, when you're when you were in a big city in America in 2025 or in 2010, you know, this whole century, things are dangerous.

And and you know, I think that the young woman who was shot and killed, she was not the intended target.

People are just shooting it up in in the cities.

And I I'm sympathetic to the chancellor wanting Colombia to do something.

But if Colombia can figure out what to do, I hope they pass it on.

Tell everybody, >> you know, and I'm on Charlie's side where he say about glad that he expressed outrage.

>> So am I. If for nothing else, let's have a little more outrage about it because now it seems like when people talk about crime rates, they want to compare homicide rates year after year as if it's just some number on a piece of paper.

So, I'm with you in I'm glad he said, "Hey, this has got to stop."

One is unacceptable.

This is a college town and Colombia is not a big city.

No.

Okay.

It's a college town and somebody gets shot and there should be outrage.

So in that sense, I'm glad the outrage is only good, Joe, if there's something behind it.

I mean, just saying, you know, I'm outraged.

That doesn't accomplish much.

>> Well, he's he's asking the police department to do something.

Unless we want the chancellor to start riding the neighborhood watch program, he say, "Hey, do the police don't have to be told homicide's a bad thing."

I think the cops already are aware of that.

>> You shouldn't shouldn't the Slu president, Washington U president, president of UN University of Missouri St.

They're not, you know, is it just because there's so many shootings that that's okay here.

So, I mean, >> they should be expressing outrage, too.

I think what I'm saying if they did, I think the reaction would be different.

Like, you know, WashU is doing uh they're halting all spending except for plans for new dorms on campus because the parents of prospective students keep looking at Wikipedia, whatever, and our crime numbers and go, "Hey, if we're going to go to WU, we want to be on the South 40."

And and so they are building dorms there.

But I would have felt a little bit better if Mun Choi had said, "Hey, the gun laws in Missouri are just too lenient."

>> Yeah, we can't do that because now the legislator's mad at him.

So, I decide, look, pick your fights, but that's the reality.

You go out.

No, the reality is No, no, it's not.

The reality is someone had a gun and decided it's a-okay to shoot into a crowd.

Otherwise, that never happens.

And so when you express outrage, express outrage that there was somebody coldblooded enough to just simply shoot indiscriminately in a crowd and hit somebody else.

>> No, nobody is defending that, Joe.

But the idea that, you know, if every if every uh chancellor just expresses outrage, that'll do something.

I don't think it will.

>> I didn't say that.

What I said, well, but what what is your solution to just say, "Hey, stuff happens."

>> Go along with Alvin's idea.

Too too many guns.

John's Hopkins University has like a crime center and they have examined the gun laws in Missouri and elsewhere and they do find that states that have stricter gun laws tend to have lower homicide rates >> and there are stricter gun laws in every straight now than there were 40 years ago.

>> Oh, I don't think so.

>> Oh, absolutely.

>> Absolutely.

I mean, you have to have to check your gun at the town border back again years ago.

But I'm just saying that somebody from Florida opens up fire driving through Colombia and all that.

I that random violence.

I'm not saying people shouldn't be alarmed, but he he just made it sound like you really have to be ducking and peeking around Colombia and and that's just not true.

>> I think he just wants to I think he wants to he wants to look like a responsive chancellor and he did.

>> That's probably true.

Hey Joe, let me ask you about Ian Roberts who was an employee for the St.

Louis public school systems and then he became the superintendent of Des Moine which is actually a bigger school system than any school system around here.

It's got 30,000 students.

Our next largest would be the uh special school district with 26,000.

So apparently he was not in the country legally.

Uh a native of Guyana.

He uh was driving down the road.

I believe it was ICE that stopped him.

He ran.

He had a firearm.

And the the story is not a real good one for this man.

But in the aftermath, the parents and the students kind of rallied in his support and they looked at the numbers.

They go, "You know what?

Absenteeism under this guy is down.

Graduation rates are up.

Reading and math scores are up.

I'm thinking he might be the type of guy we want to bring to St.

Louis City.

What do you think?"

>> Well, if he gets that squared away about being in the country legally, I'd be all for that.

He's here illegally.

That's what you started by saying.

>> That's correct.

>> Okay.

>> So, what's your point?

I'm sorry.

My point is I'm missing where we're supposed to go with this.

>> I will overlook whatever problems he has with ICE and I'll say he's precisely the guy we need in this.

>> So, we set up a system where we take all the people here illegally, we judge them according to a set of criteria that we'll come up with later.

And if we find them worthy, they can stay.

If we find them unworthy, they got to go.

if they Well, yeah, I that's basically where I'm going.

I think he was a great asset to the country because he's doing what apparently other superintendents can't do.

>> Okay.

And I I agree with you.

However, the the let's say incorrect resume on on top of these other illegal.

Yeah.

You know, that's that's enough strikes against you.

I'd say like, no, I don't think you need to be on that job, but get your American figure this out.

Get your American citizenship and all that.

But I have never been in, you know, real trouble with the law in my life.

But this whole thing where you run away and flee, that just tells me that what else is >> Well, he's illegal.

He's here illegally.

>> Why?

Where are you running to?

>> He was scared.

He ran into the woods >> and he Yeah.

Right.

And because he was scared.

Okay, I get that.

But you've accomplished all these things in your life.

You tell the police officer, "Take me to jail.

I'm going to call my attorney.

We'll figure this out."

But you fleeing off into the woods and you got a gun and all this is going on.

But 5 seconds ago you were saying that there are too many guns, but his gun is okay because he's worthy.

>> Well, I thought he was worthy because he was doing a great job.

And I think that this is emblematic about the uh the ICE crisis or the immigration crisis.

You notice that ICE goes to workplaces where people are working their tails off chicken factories.

Those are jobs that nobody want nobody else wants.

That's right.

But this whole thing, like I said, this whole thing is not about anything other than D Donald Trump's ego.

And I said I was going to do what I'm doing.

Throwing all these people.

Great.

Fine.

Okay.

But that it's almost not like, you know, real life technically.

And I understand that it's terrible on people, but a once again, hey, this is who we elected.

He said he was going to do it and he's doing it.

And I just I I'm just don't run away trying to figure out the problem.

And Charlie, if we were find out that a St.

Louis Metropolitan Police Department was in this country illegally and he had one of the greatest arrest records in the world.

He'd get deported or she would get deported.

>> Well, it does raise a question.

Do employers actually check the I9.

>> That's what I was going to say.

I mean, this guy, you know, he's not working in the chicken factory.

I mean, he's running a school system.

And you would think that somewhere along the line, he worked here in St.

Louis.

somebody would have checked on his employment status >> and and in fact his uh resume that he didn't really go to this school >> or somewhere >> being was obviously a sharp guy >> in the 20 years he had been here went to someone and said look here's my situation how do we square >> he might have done that because it was pretty odd the whole thing I mean was from Gana but his parents were immigrants events and you know there there was a lot unexplained in the story.

>> Hey so far.

>> Final quick topic, two-minute warning, but uh Bill, there's a measure in St.

Louis County by County Council member Mike Archer to ban pan handling.

You can't stand in the street according to this measure and ask for money.

What do you think?

>> Oh, well, I'm against panhandling.

I think it's it's a dangerous thing and the people getting out there in between lanes and I I think this is not the way to raise money and as a person, you know, I don't give to those people myself just because I think I don't want to encourage this.

So, I'm on Mike Archer's side and I'm against pan handling.

And I mean, you can't get out there with the fireman's boot anymore and and the people with the big see-through jars that give away Tootsie Rolls and none of that.

I mean, you're basically saying, not just pan handlers, but people who are out there for a good cause, although the cause sometimes I wonder what it actually is.

Um, but if you outlaw all of it, fine.

If you say it's all okay, all right, well then, you know, get on back out there.

>> But consistency, >> I'm with that.

I'm with that.

Either everybody can do it or nobody can do it.

What I always worry about, not worry about, but what I always worry uh concerned with is that >> somebody who's out there is going to get hit by a car and they're going to go, "Why didn't you protect that?"

You know, and it's like, what a mess.

I think it would be best if there was nobody out there.

That's the way I feel.

And we see out in in Chesterfield Valley sometimes there are there are families uh with children right near the roadway and and that just you know kind of like running out to and it makes >> it's like Mexico City.

>> Oh yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> I was in Chesterfield.

>> Chester I was like same way.

>> The whispering pines of Chesterfield.

>> Thank you very much.

>> Last week a pan handler asked his hair waste.

>> I was in the U city loop last week when panhandler asked money and I ignored I walked walked away and then he said, "Nice hat.

Even the homeless are making fun of my clothing."

That tells you something.

>> I thought I thought you were going to say he said, "I watch on Thursday."

>> Yeah.

I'm going to tell >> if he did watch, I would ask him for a donation.

Thank you very much for joining us.

We'll see you next week at this time.