>> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORT OF THE BETSY AND THOMAS PATTERSON FOUNDATION AND THE MEMBERS OF NINE PBS.

>> WOW, A LOT OF CHANGES AND MOVEMENTS GOING ON THIS WEEK IN ST. LOUIS AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THEM ON THIS EDITION OF DONNYBROOK.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

LET'S MEET THE PANELISTS.

WE WELCOME WENDY WIESE BACK.

SHE TOOK A WEEK OFF.

OF COURSE, SHE'S 50% OF JENNIFER AND WENDY WIESE ON KTRS.

MR. BILL McCLELLAN, HE'S BACK FROM HIS VACATION.

HE'S WITH STLTODAY.COM AND THE ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH.

RAY HARTMANN, HE'S HERE EVERY WEEK AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.

HE'S ALSO WITH THE RFT, RAWSTORY.COM, AND KTRS.

AND MR. ROCKJOCK JAYHAWK HIMSELF.

ROOTING FOR KU THIS WEEKEND, ALVIN REID.

>> ROOTING HARD, RIGHT.

>> WHEN HE'S NOT EDITING,ING, AT THE ST. LOUIS AMERICAN AND WRITING A SPORTS COLUMN THERE.

WE'LL GET INTO THAT AND MORE.

>> THERE WAS A STORY THAT WE HAVE A FEELING IS GOING TO BE BURIED TONIGHT AND WE WILL NOT ALLOW IT TO BE BURIED.

OUR COLLEAGUE HERE AND FRIEND HAS ANNOUNCED THAT HE IS RETIRING.

THAT IS THE BAD NEWS, BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS, HE IS GOING TO STAY RIGHT HERE AT NINE PBS AND WE ARE SO THRILLED FOR HIM AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE DONNYBASH -- I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOING TO BE DONNYBASH, BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE A RETIREMENT PARTY FOR CHARLIE AND YOU AND BETH AND THE KIDS HAVE HAD SUCH A WONDERFUL LIFE TO THIS POINT AND WE -- NO, WE KNOW THAT THE BEST IS YET TO COME.

WE'RE VERY, VERY HAPPY FOR YOU, CHARLIE.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THOUGH WHEN YOU SAID YOU WERE THRILLED, I THOUGHT YOU WERE MAKING A HOSTAGE VIDEO THERE.

>> NO, NO, NO.

>> THANK YOU.

I'M RETIRING FROM THE RADIO SIDE -- >> NEVER HERE.

>> -- FOR BETTER AND WORSE, I'LL STILL BE HERE AT 7:00 ON THURSDAY NIGHT.

I WANT TO START WITH YOU WITH A BIG ANNOUNCEMENT, TRUD BUSCH VALENTINE HAS DECIDED TO RUN FOR SENATE.

I DON'T THINK SHE'S EVER PUT HER HAT IN THE RING BEFORE, BUT SHE'S GOING TO BE UP AGAINST LUCAS KUNZ, WHO IMMEDIATELY SAID SHE'S JUST ANOTHER BILLIONAIRE HEIRESS WHO HAS BEEN RIPPING CITIES APART FOR PARTS, BUT TODAY, SHE APOLOGIZED FOR BEING THE VEILED PROPHET QUEEN IN, WHAT, 1977?

>> 1977.

>> DO YOU THINK THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR HER TO APOLOGIZE?

>> WELL, IF OUR TECH LINE AT KTRS WAS ANY INDICATION, A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE SAYING THAT THEY WERE VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT SHE FELT THE NEED TO APOLOGIZE, THAT IT WAS 1977, THAT THE WORLD WAS AN IT DID PLACE, AND THAT -- A DIFFERENT PLACE, AND THAT SHE HAD JUST LOST THEIR VOTE.

I'M SURE THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO WILL FEEL SHE DID THE RIGHT THING PREEMPTIVELY, POLITICALLY, BUT JUST GOING OFF OUR TECH LINES, THERE WERE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO JUST THOUGHT ENOUGH, ALREADY, WE CAN'T RETROACTIVELY APOLOGIZE FOR EVERY MOVE WE MADE.

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I GRADUATED IN 1978, MAKING ME 61, OKAY?

AND IF YOU WERE INVOLVED, REALLY IN MY LIFETIME, BUT ESPECIALLY AT A TIME WHEN AT THAT TIME I WAS 17, 18 YEARS OLD, YEAH, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY APOLOGIZE BECAUSE THERE IS NO KIND OF HALFWAY ON THAT WHOLE VEILED PROPHET THING, OKAY?

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT PEOPLE JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION THAT -- WELL, YOU'RE SAYING THAT RACIST INTENT AND THEY WERE RACIST AND ALL THAT, AND I KNOW IT'S A DEBUTANTE BALL AND ALL THAT, BUT IF YOU WERE INVOLVED IN IT, YOU SHOULD APOLOGIZE.

I'M SORRY I WAS IN THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS REALLY BAD AND IT HAD BAD INTENTIONS BACK IN THE DAY AND I WAS THERE.

I FELT LIKE APOLOGIZING BECAUSE I WENT AND SAW IT ONE TIME, BUT THE ONLY REASON MY FAMILY WENT WAS BECAUSE MY FATHER WANTED TO US SEE IT AND I SAW IT AND EVEN AT 14, I'M LIKE, WHAT THE -- IS THIS.

>> I AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENT, BUT I DISAGREE POLITICALLY.

IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK -- AND I CERTAINLY DON'T -- THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE OFFENDED THAT SHE APOLOGY, I'M NOT ONE OF THEM.

MY PROBLEM IS, SHE'S RUNNING FOR SENATE IN MISSOURI.

AND MOST PEOPLE IN MISSOURI HAVEN'T HEARD OF -- A LOT OF THEM HAVEN'T HEARD OF GUSSY BUSCH AND IF ANYBODY SHOULD APOLOGIZE, IT WAS HER DAD.

THEY'RE THE ONES THAT -- SHE'S A 20-YEAR-OLD KID.

BUT MY POINT IS THIS, THAT THE LAST THING YOU NEED AS A CANDIDATE FOR U.S. SENATE IN MISSOURI IS FOR YOUR FIRST HEADLINE TO BE A -- THE DEMOCRAT WHO APOLOGIZED TO BLACKS.

IT IS SO STEREOTYPICAL.

LUCAS KUNZ IS WRITING A PLAYBOOK IN MY OPINION.

WHETHER HE CAN WIN OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT HE IS RUNNING -- SPEAKING AMERICAN TO PEOPLE SPEAKING JUST COMMON DONNYBROOK.

>> SPEAKING BALONEY BECAUSE SHE'S NOT A BILLIONAIRE HEIRESS WHO IS RIPPING THE CITY APART.

IT'S A LOW SHOT.

>> YES, I WAS.

LUCAS KUNZ HAS ONE MESSAGE AND HE STICKS -- >> LET'S TALK ABOUT TRUDY BUSCH RIGHT NOW.

>> YOU SAID SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE APOLOGIZED?

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT, IT'S BAD POLITICS.

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S BAD.

I THINK IT'S A SMART THING.

DO I THINK SHE HAD TO?

NO, WHEN I WAS 18 AND 19 AND 20, I DID A LOT OF THINGS WORSE THAN BEING A VP PERSON, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY.

THE SMART THING TO DO IS GET RID OF IT RIGHT AWAY.

SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, LOOKING BACK ON IT, IT WAS WRONG TO PARTICIPATE IN IT, BUT I WAS -- >> BUT DON'T FORGET -- >> AND GET IT OVER WITH.

>> BUT IT WAS A PRIVATE PARTY, OKAY?

DEBUTANTE BALLS ARE FOR THE RICH.

>> CORRECT AND THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE.

>> I HAVEN'T BEEN INVITED TO ONE EITHER, BUT I'M SAYING THIS.

IF THE RICH CAN'T HAVE PARTIES, WHAT DO THEY -- >> WELL, WHAT ALVIN IS SAYING IT HAS A HISTORY OF RACISM.

>> LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING.

THIS MIGHT BE ON SHOCK TO THOSE ON THE FAMILIAR AND MAYBE OUR VIEWING AUDIENCE.

I PICKED UP THE LADUE NEWS AND LOOKED AT THE DEBUTANTE PHOTOS AND THEY WERE ALL WHITE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST HISTORY.

>> IT IS HISTORY.

THE VP ORGANIZATION HAD ROOTS -- >> I'M TALKING ABOUT NOW, IT HASN'T CHANGED.

>> AS ALVIN POINTED OUT, IN 1977, SHE STOOD NEXT TO A GUY WHO LOOKED LIKE A KLANSMAN.

THEY HAD ROOTS GOING BACK A CENTURY, LITTERALLLITERALLY, TO BEING UPSET ABOUT THE RAILROAD WORKERS STRIKING.

THEY WERE TOTALLY A RACIST ORGANIZATION, BUT HERE'S MY POINT.

TO BILL'S POINT -- >> BUT IT WAS NOT CONNECTED TO THE KU KLUX KLAN.

>> THIS IS A STATEWIDE RACE AND THEY'RE TREATING IT LIKE THE ST. LOUIS RACE.

A LARGE MAJORITY -- >> SHE'S GETTING OUT IN FRONT OF IT, RAY.

>> BUT READ MY COLUMN IN THE RFT.

I SAID -- >> OKAY, RAY WRITES ABOUT IT NEXT WEEK.

>> KUNZ WITH HIS JAB AT TRUDY BUSCH VALENTINE PLAYED RIGHT INTO HER HANDS AND THE POINT SHE'S TRYING TO MAKE ABOUT A KINDERING GENTLER DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

>> THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU NEED IN MISSOURI.

>> BUT WHAT SHE D THOUGH, WENDY, SHE BURIED HIS REMARK AND SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE BECAUSE JUST LIKE WHEN HE SAID THAT JEFF BEZOS HAD BLOOD ON HIS HANDS BECAUSE OF THE TORNADO, THE GUY IS A FLAME THROWER.

HE'S NOT RESPONSIBLE.

>> BUT THAT'S WHAT THE DEMOCRATS NEED IF THEY WANT TO WIN.

>> SEEMED TO ME IF A MODERATE REPUBLICAN STEPPED FORWARD AND SAID ALL THIS FOLDEROL ABOUT COVID AND ALL THIS RACIST STUFF WE GOT GOING ON EVERY DAY IN OUR PARTYING I'M NOT STANDING IT WITH, BY YOUR DEFINITION, IT WOULD BE A BAD POLITICAL MOVE.

HOW DO YOU WIN AS A REPUBLICAN BY TAKING THAT STANCE.

WE WOULD APPLAUSE THAT CANDIDATE AS A REPUBLICAN, BUT WE'RE SAYING AS A DEMOCRAT SHE'S MAKING.

>> WELL PUT.

RAY, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU.

JANE DUEKER AND FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF, HAS DECIDED TO THROW HER HAT IN THE RING, TAKING ON SAM PAGE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY FOR ST. LOUIS COUNTY COUNTY EXECUTIVE.

HANDICAP THIS ONE FOR US, WILL YOU?

>> I THINK IT'S UNKNOWN.

I THINK SHE SHOULD DECERTIFY HERSELF AS A LOBBYIST BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A CONFLICT.

SHE'S GOT TO MAKE THAT CALL AND I DON'T THINK SHE CAN EVEN RAISE MONEY IF SHE'S A LOBBYIST.

SHE WAS ON OUR SHOW MONDAY NIGHT.

SHE MADE AN INTERESTING POINT WHICH I HAD NOT THOUGHT ABOUT.

ONE OF HER APPEALS, OBVIOUSLY MOSTLY ANTI-SAM PAGE, SHE'S HAD A LOT OF ADMINISTRATIVE EXPERIENCE, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING YOU THINK ABOUT.

I CERTAINLY DISAGREE WITH HER POSITIONS ON POLICE.

SHE'S REPRESENTED THEM, BUT I WILL SAY WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY ABOUT CRIME IN THE COUNTY AND SAM PAGE'S MISHANDLING OF POLICE MATTERS.

>> PROP P. >> GENERALLY PROP P, DIVERT THE MONEY AND STUFF, SHE HAS GOT A VERY LEGITIMATE APPEAL AND I WOULD NOT UNDERESTIMATE HER.

I THINK WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE HOW THE CAMPAIGN GOES.

>> I THOUGHT THAT RICHARD KALLOW OF THE POLITICAL EYE, HAD -- IS THAT THE NAME OF -- >> WE RAN IT IN OUR POLITICAL EYE.

>> OKAY.

WAS A GREAT QUOTE AND MAYBE NOT COMPLETELY ACCURATE, CHARLIE, THAT I DIDN'T SEE STEVE STENGER'S -- >> FORMER CAMPAIGN MANAGER.

>> -- FORMER CAMPAIGN MANAGER RUNNING FOR COUNTY EXECUTIVE.

IT WASN'T ON MY BINGO CARD.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY CLEVER, EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS HIS CAMPAIGN MANAGER.

>> HE IS A CLEVER GUY, BUT SHE WAS AN UNPAID VOLUNTEER FOR STEVE STENGER.

>> YEAH, SHE WORKED IN THE CAMPAIGN.

>> NOT THE CAMPAIGN MANAGER, SO RHETORIC ISN'T ACCURATE, BUT -- >> I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING WHEN SHE IS -- SHE IS APPLYING THE PRESSURE RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE, TELLING SAM PAGE, CHALLENGING HIM TO A DEBATE.

I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF FUN TO WATCH BECAUSE SHE IS THE ANTI-SAM PAGE, HE IS THE ANTI-JANE DUEKER.

YOU COULD NOT ASK FOR MORE POLAR OPPOSITE.

>> WE TALK ABOUT THE ST. CHARLES RACE.

I THINK THE OUTCOME IS THE SAME.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE WERE ALSO PEOPLE ASKED TO RUN AND FOB WANTED TO RUN.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT SHE WAS BOTTOM OF THE BARREL, BUT I'M SAYING, SHE WASN'T AT THE TOP.

SO COMPROMISE CANDIDATE OR FIND SOMEBODY, ANYBODY CANDIDATE?

I STILL THINK SHE LOSES.

>> WELL, THAT -- IF SHE CAN'T RAISE MONEY, IT COULD BE A REAL CHALLENGE, BUT DON'T YOU THINK THAT SHE'S TIRELESS?

YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH HER, BUT I DON'T THINK SHE SLEEPS AND HE'S SO LAID BACK AND HE'S ALREADY ADMITTED HE DOESN'T SPEND ALL HIS TIME ON THE JOB.

>> AND THAT CAN BE -- >> BUT WAIT LAID BACK WINS, CAN VERY EASILY WIN.

>> WHO WAS THE POLITICAL STRATEGIST WHO WAS QUOTED IN THE PAPER, ANITA MANION, SHE SAID HE'S GOT A TARGET ON HIS BACK BETWEEN THESE TWO APRIL REFERENDUM WITH THE SECOND JOB, YOU KNOW, WHETHER PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY WANT THEIR COUNTY EXECUTIVE TO HAVE AN ILLEGAL SECOND JOB AND WHETHER THEY SHOULD PAY FOR THEIR ASSISTANTS OUT OF THEIR POCKETS.

I MEAN, HE'S A VERY UNPOPULAR PERSON.

>> HE IS A VERY -- >> TO SAY HE'S FLAWED AT COUNTY EXECUTIVE I THINK IS A DRAMATIC UNDERSTATEMENT MYSELF, BUT THE POINT IS HAVING THE SIDE HUSTLE AS AN ANESTHESIOLOGIST AFTER ONE OF HIS POINTS WHEN HE RAN, HE WAS MAKING THIS BIG FINANCIAL SACRIFICE TO RUN -- >> TOTALLY TRANSPARENT.

>> AND GOING TO BE ALL THIS SOOTHE THE PAIN FOR THE COUNTY, THAT'S ONE OF HER MAIN POINTS AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THE VOTE GOES NEXT WEEK, SORT OF A REFERENDUM ON WHETHER YOU PUNISH SOMEBODY TO DO THAT.

I THINK HE'S GOT A PROBLEM.

>> I THINK ALL THE GOOD GOVERNMENT PEOPLE WHO ARE DOWN ON SAM PAGE, IF JANE DUEKER RUNS AND SHE CAN'T RAISE MONEY HERSELF BECAUSE SHE'S A LOBBYIST, SO IT WILL ALL BE SORT OF SIDEWAYS MONEY.

YOU CAN GET MONEY FROM HERE AND -- >> RIGHT, RIGHT IT.

>> WON'T HAVE A GOOD LOOK TO IT AT ALL.

>> I'M NOT ONE OF GOOD GOVERNANCE -- >> TRUE, NEXT WEEK, ST. LOUIS COUNTY VOTERS WILL DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE TO DEVOTE HIS OR HER FULL-TIME TO THE JOB.

OF COURSE, EVERYONE ON THIS FAMILIAR HAS A SIDE HUSTLE.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY IN ST. LOUIS COUNTY -- >> ALVIN, TIM FITCH, FORMER ST. LOUIS COUNTY POLICE CHIEF HAS NOW SAID HE'S NOT RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION, AND I THINK HE ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING QUITE REMARKABLE ON THE COUNTY COUNCIL BECAUSE HE ALONG WITH MARK HARD HARDER, TWO REPUBLICANS, WERE ABLE TO FORGE A COALITION WITH TWO DEMOCRATS AND YOU DON'T SEE THAT EVERY DAY.

IF NOTHING ELSE, I THINK THE COUNTY COUNCIL WILL CHANGE QUITE A BIT NEXT YEAR WITH HIS ABSENCE IF HE'S NOT REPLACED WITH A REPUBLICAN LIKE DENNIS HANCOCK.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK THE ALIGNMENT WAS FOR REASONS -- QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK GOOD POLITICS, BUT MORE POWER TO HIM.

I'M DISAPPOINTED HE'S LEAVING THE FRAY.

IT'S EASY FOR ME TO SAY, YOU SHOULD HAVE JUST MOVED.

THEY MOVED THE BOUNDARY ON YOU, YOU'D WILL BE LIVING THERE A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME ANY, JUST MOVE.

THAT'S EASY FOR ME TO SAY.

SO YOU STIRRED IT UP AND WE HAD A MAJORITY AND YOU ARE WHERE WE ARE, AND YOU SAY I'M DONE IT WITH, THAT LEAVES ME KIND OF UNEASY.

>> OF COURSE, I'M BIASED BECAUSE I THINK HE'S BEEN A GOOD -- I MAY DISAGREE -- I DO DISAGREE WITH HIM ON THE PARTISAN ISSUES, BUT THINK HE'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHY THERE SHOULDN'T BE PARTISAN GOVERNMENT.

>> YOU WON'T KNOW HE WAS A REPUBLICAN AND THESE OTHER FOLKS WERE DEMOCRATS.

>> I DIDN'T SAY I WOULDN'T KNOW.

>> WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHETHER YOU HAVE AN R OR A D. >> HE'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHY WE DON'T NEED -- WE SHOULD HAVE NONPARTISAN COUNTY GOVERNMENT IS ALL I'M SAYING.

HE WAS A GOOD POLICE CHIEF AND GOOD COUNCIL PERSON AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE I DIDN'T AGREE WITH HIM ON MASKS AND A LOT OF OTHER STUFF, BUT HE IS SOMEBODY THAT CAN WORK ACROSS THE AISLE AND I THINK HE'S GOING TO BE MISSED.

I DON'T THINK HE HAD ANY OBLIGATION TO RUN.

I'M GUESSING HE'LL COME BACK IN SOME FORM IN COUNTY GOVERNMENT OR SOME FORM OF GOVERNMENT, BUT I THINK HE'LL BE MISSED.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT STEVE ROBERTS, SENATOR STEVE ROBERTS, WHO HAS THROWN HIS HAT -- A LOT OF HATS BEING THROWN AROUND THIS WEEK, HE'S GOING TO TAKE ON CORI BUSH IN THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.

SHE HAS HER FOLLOWERS, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

CAN HE WIN?

>> IT'S GOING TO BE VERY UPHILL.

I'M FRIENDS WITH SENATOR ROBERTS' MOM AND DAD, STEVE AND EVA, SO I HAVE A BIAS IN THIS, AND I THINK THAT CORI BUSH HAS MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES.

I THINK NOT SUPPORTING PRESIDENT BIDEN WITH THE BUILD BACK TOGETHER AND I THINK THE DEFUND THE POLICE STUFF, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A BIG CORI BUSH FAN, BUT I THINK THAT THE PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT IN THE FIRST DISTRICT IS VERY STRONG AND I THINK THAT THE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT CAME OUT OF FERGUSON ARE A STRONG POLITICAL FORCE AND I THINK THAT YOUNG STEVE ROBERTS HAS AN UPHILL CLIMB.

>> NOW, I'VE BECOME A FAN.

WHEN IT ALL WENT DOWN BEFORE I WAS -- YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE WORKADAY WORLD AND WHAT NOT AT THE AMERICAN, LIKE SHE WON, I DON'T KNOW HOW -- WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, SHE LOST THE FIRST TIME AND I THOUGHT SHE'D GET BEAT THE SECOND TIME, BUT THEY WON AND IT SURPRISED ME.

SOMETHING CHANGED, BUT ALSO SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE, LET ME TELL YOU WHAT.

I HAVE TO KIND OF LIKE FILTER HOW MUCH CORI BUSH GOES INTO THE PAPER BECAUSE SHE'S DOING A LOT.

WE GET A LOT OF RELEASES ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY IS COMING HERE, THIS PROJECT, THAT PROJECT, AND I MEAN THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE REGION, NOT JUST THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS.

AND SHE WILL BE ABLE TO CAMPAIGN ON THE FACT THAT I'M BRINGING IT HOME.

NOW, I MIGHT SAY DEFUND THE MISS AND YOU SEE THAT ON FOX NEWS, BUT FOX NEWS IS NOT COVERING WHAT ORGANIZATION GOT THIS OR WHAT ORGANIZATION GOT THAT, AND IT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND IT'S IMMEDIATELY STARTED AND IT KEEPS COMING.

SO SHE'S ACTIVE.

SHE'S DOING THINGS.

>> SHE VOTED AGAINST THE MONEY COMING IN, ALVIN.

>> BUT HIS ARGUMENT ABOUT THE PENTAGON AND THE NGA AND DEFUND THE PENTAGON, THAT'S NOT GOING TO LAND WITH ANYBODY?

>> NOT REALLY, NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

NOT ENOUGH THAT HE WOULD WIN AN ELECTION.

>> I HATE TO TELL YOU, ALVIN, I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU IN THE SENSE THAT LOVE HER OR HATE HER, THAT WOMAN WORKS VERY HARD AND SHE'S ALL OVER THE PLACE.

I THINK SHE'S GOT A PROBLEM BECAUSE SHE VOTED AGAINST SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA, VOTED AGAINST THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL, DEFUND THE POLICE.

SHE VOTES AGAINST WEAPON STMS IN HER DISTRICT.

>> BUT THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO LOVE HER ARE THE PEOPLE IN HER DISTRICT.

>> WHO VOTE FOR HER.

>> NO, NO.

>> SHE HAS PEOPLE COMING INTO FROM OUT OF TOWN WHO SUPPORT HER.

>> RIGHT.

>> I THOUGHT THE LANGUAGE OF EACH OF THEM WAS SO INTERESTING BECAUSE STEVE ROBERTS IS TALKING ABOUT SERVING THE PEOPLE.

SHE TALKS ABOUT LOVING THE PEOPLE, AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THAT MEANS A LOT.

THAT MEANS A LOT TO SOME PEOPLE.

>> I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT TO THINK.

ONE PART OF THIS THAT I DON'T KNOW YET IS HOW MUCH REDISTRICTING AFFECTED THAT DISTRICT.

IT DID SOMEWHAT, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY -- FIRST OF ALL, I GUESS IT'S NOT EVEN DONE, RIGHT, TECHNICALLY.

>> TRUE.

>>S ATHINK THAT'S A FACTOR THAT COULD COME INTO PLAY.

I AGREE WITH ALVIN THAT I THINK SHE HAS BEEN -- YOU KNOW, WHILE SHE'S TO THE LEFT OF THE AVERAGE PERSON IN HER DISTRICT -- WELL, SHE IS -- BUT I'VE NEVER REALLY FELT, I ALWAYS THOUGHT HER PASSION IS MUCH MORE AUTHENTIC THAN THAT OF SO MANY OTHERS.

>> BUT I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING.

>> AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN UGLY CAMPAIGN BECAUSE OF THE PERSONAL STUFF.

>> REALLY UGLY.

>> AND I'M KIND OF TORN BECAUSE I LIKE STEVE ROBERTS, BUT IT'S GOING TO GET UGLY.

I THINK WE GOT TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE DISTRICT ENDS UP LOOKING LIKE, BUT SHE'S AN INCUMBENT.

SHE'S A NATIONALLY KNOWN FIGURE WHO WILL GET A TON OF MONEY FOR THAT AND I THINK IT IS AN UPHILL BATTLE.

>> BUT HER CELEBRITY STATUS AND HOW SHE TWEETS CONSTANTLY -- >> I THINK THE WOKE MOVEMENT IS DEAD.

I'VE SEEN FIVE STORIES IN THE LAST WEEK THAT CONVINCED ME THAT BEING WOKE AND PROGRESSIVE IS OVER.

REALLY QUICKLY, M. >> TNCHT IS BRINGING BACK THE SNCHT A.T.

IN CHICAGO, THE MAYOR IS PUTTING BACK THE COLUMBUS STATUE.

IN ALBANY, NEW YORK, THEY ARE REVERSING MALE REFORM AND IN NEW YORK CITY, THE MAYOR IS GETTING RID OF 100 HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT.

M.I.T.

GOT RID OF THE S.A.T.

AND THEY'RE BRINGING IT BACK.

I THINK WOKE MOVEMENT IS DEAD.

>> WOKE IS LIKE POLICE, A TERM THAT CONSERVATIVES PUT ON SOMETHING.

IT WAS NEVER ANYTHING ANYWAY.

>> CORI BUSH IS ONE OF THE ONLY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO CONTINUES TO USE THAT TERM AND I UNDERSTAND.

LIKE I SAID, I THINK SHE'S STILL THE HEAVY FAVORITE TO WIN BECAUSE OF THE, YOU KNOW, JUST THE FACT SHE'S AN INCUMBENT.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE ODDS-ON FAVORITE NORMALLY, BUT I THINK IT -- MUCH LIKE THESE OTHER RACES, I THINK IT WILL BE AN INTERESTING RACE AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY -- I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE LEARNED FROM CORI BUSH'S RACE IS DON'T SLEEP ON SOMEBODY.

I THOUGHT THAT THE FIRST RACE THAT CORI BUSH RAN, I WAS THE ONE SAYING I THOUGHT SHE HAD A CHANCE AGAINST LACY CLAY AND I WAS WRONG, SHE GOT CRUSHED.

THEN THE SECOND TIME, I THOUGHT LACY CLAY HAD A SAFE RACE, I WAS WRONG.

SO DON'T ASK ME -- >> IF ANYBODY'S GOING TO BEAT CORI BUSH, IT'S GOING TO BE NOW.

I THINK LIKE MOST INCUMBENTS, SHE'LL GET STRONGER AND STRONGER AND GET A BETTER ORGANIZATION.

BUT I THINK SHE GOES INTO THIS AS THE HEAVY FAVORITE.

>> ALVIN REID, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE LAND OF LINCOLN, CASINO QUEEN IS OPENING UP SPORTS BOOK.

I HAD TO LOOK UP THAT TERM.

THAT MEANS A ROOM OR PLACE THEY ALLOW GAMBLING OR BETTING ON SPORTS.

A SPORTS BOOK WILL OPEN AT THE CASINO QUEEN.

MEANWHILE IN JEFFERSON CITY, APPARENTLY THE OWNERS OF THE BLUES AND THE ROYALS AND THE CARDINALS ARE VERY HAPPY THAT THEIR LEGISLATION THAT WOULD LEGALIZE SPORTS BETTING IN THIS STATE, INCLUDING AT SPORTS VENUES, IS PROGRESSING SMOOTHLY.

DON'T YOU AT THE END OF THE DAY JUST FEEL THAT THIS IS GOING TO END UP TAKING MONEY FROM THE POOR AND GIVING IT TO THE RICH AND THAT'S MONEY THAT THE POOR OFTEN CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE?

>> WELL, I WILL BE SAVING ON GAS MONEY FROM DRIVING TO THE CASINO QUEEN.

NO, ALL RIGHT, AND THEY DID HAVE A SPORTS BOOK.

IT WAS A NICE BIG ROOM, YOU KNOW, BUT THE PLACE THAT'S OPENED UP NOW, YOU CAN ORDER FOOD AND HANG OUT AND WATCH A THOUSAND TVs AND WHAT NOT.

LOOK, REVENUE IS REVENUE AND J.B. PRITZKER IS RUNNING COMMERCIALS HOW BECAUSE HE'S RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION AND HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE ROCKFORD AIRPORT EXPANSION AND TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT, BUT ALSO TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS MONEY THAT'S COMING IN FROM THE SPORTS BOOK AND HE LEAVES OUT THE MARIJUANA PART, BUT THAT STATE IS, YOU KNOW, WHILE STILL OBVIOUSLY IN DEBT, IS BRINGING IN LIKE A LOT OF MONEY AND IS HELPING THE PROBLEMS A HE'S VERY POPULAR.

MISSOURI NEEDS TO DO IT REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT IT.

A, WE NEED THE MONEY.

B, PEOPLE WANT TO DO IT.

LET'S JUST DO IT.

>> IF ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS JUMPED OFF THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE, WOULD YOU JUMP OFF THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE, ALVIN?

THAT'S WHAT YOUR MOTHER WOULD SAY.

>> WELL, ALVIN WAS THE FIRST ONE TO JUMP OFF AND HE FOUND OUT THE WATER WAS NOT THAT DEEP.

>> HE JUMPED IN A PILE OF MONEY.

>> THE QUESTION YOU SHOULD BE ASKING IS WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT ALVIN WOULD JUMP OFF THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE AND WHO WANTS TO GET IN ON THE ACTION?

>> OH, RIGHT.

>> THE THING THAT SCARES ME ABOUT THIS BETTING ON BASEBALL AT THE GAME IS SUPPOSEDLY YOU'RE NOT JUST BETTING ON THE GAME, BUT YOU CAN BET ON WHO'S GOING TO GET -- >> THE PLAYERS.

>> HOW DO YOU KEEP THE SPORT LOOKING PURE IF YOU KNOW THAT THIS GUY WHO'S HITTING, IF HE MAKES AN OUT, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY.

>> WELL, WE WERE IN HOT SPRINGS FOR OUR ANNUAL TRIP AND IT IS NOW THE RACETRACK AND CASINO AND THE SPORTS BETTING AREA IS ALREADY VERY, VERY POPULAR AND YOU COULD BARELY FIND A PLACE IN THE PARKING LOT.

>> I HAVE YOU, WENDY.

>> LET ME JUST SAY I WAS IN HOT SPRINGS AT THE.

>> ARLINGTON.

>> SAME TIME YOU WERE, BUT I WAS NOT AT THE RACETRACK, I WAS TAKING IN THE WATERS.

>> TAKING THE WATERS.

>> BASEBALL, WE HAVE THIS CUBS THING GOING ON, BUT I THINK THE 1990s ARE CALLING WANTING YOUR ARGUMENT AGAINST GAMBLING BACK US THAT THAT -- >> I LIKE THE '90s, RAY.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN INSULT.

>> I KNOW YOU DON'T.

WE'RE BOTH 20th CENTURY MEN.

BUT THE POINT IS THAT HORSE, WHICH YOU CAN BET ON NOW, IS OUT OF THOSE -- THE HORSES ARE OUT OF THE BARN, YOU CAN BET ON THEM.

PEOPLE THAT ARE UPSET ABOUT ENTER COLLEGIATE ATHLETICS BEING TAKEN OVER MONEY, IT'S REAL.

>> LAST TOPIC, CELL PHONE IN AUTOMOBILES.

I THINK MISSOURI IS THE ONLY STATE THAT DOESN'T OUTLAW IT FOR PEOPLE OVER THE AGE OF 21.

MAYBE IT'S ONE OF TWO STATES ALONG WITH MONTANA.

DO YOU THINK THIS MEASURE IN JEFFERSON CITY TO BAN CELL PHONE USE IN CARS IS GOING TO PASS AND SHOULD IT?

>> I'VE NEVER UNDERSTOOD THE OVER 21 PART BECAUSE IF I'M DEAD, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE DRIVER IS OVER 21 OR UNDER 21.

I THINK CELL PHONES SHOULD BE ILLEGAL.

>> I AGREE WITH WENDY AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, WILL IT SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS?

OF COURSE NOT, BUT THE IDEA OF HANDS-FREE DRIVING, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, WHY DO WE HAVE TO BE THE 50th STATE TO DO THAT?

IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.

>> I JUST FEEL LIKE THE LEADING CAUSE OF EXPECT IS BEVERAGES AND FOOD CONSUMPTION AND IF YOU'RE GSH CAUSE OF EXPECT IS BEVERAGE AND FOOD CONSUMPTION, AND IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO OUTLAW THAT -- >> THAT WAS JOHN BRITON'S ARGUMENT WHEN HE WAS THE LOBBYIST FOR THE BREWERY.

HE SAID IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO OUTLAW PEANUT BUTTER SANDWICHES IN THE CAR, YOU CAN'T OUTLAW BEER.

THE LEGISLATOR SAID YOU MAKE A GREAT POINT.

>> WE HAVE LESS THAN A MINUTE TO GO, BUT RIGHT NOW, WE KNOW POLICE OFFICERS ARE NOT ENFORCING EXPIRED TAGS AND LACK OF INSURANCE AND SPEEDING.

DO YOU REALLY THINK POLICE ARE GOING TO ENFORCE CELL PHONE USE IN AN AUTOMOBILE?

>> NOT UNTIL AN ACCIDENT.

>> INSTEAD OF MAKING THE PERFECT THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD, THE ISSUE IS UP OR DOWN, BINARY CHOICE, DO YOU THINK PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE ON THEIR CELL PHONE IN ONLY MISSOURI OUT OF ALL 50 STATES OR NOT, AND I THINK THE ANSWER IS NOT.

>> OKAY, RAY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE LAST WORD ON THIS EDITION.

LET'S SEE WHAT THE FOLKS HAD TO SAY ABOUT LAST WEEK'S PROGRAM.

SEEING THE BACK-TO-BACK TWEETS ABOUT, ONE, PEOPLE NOT MOVING TO ST. LOUIS, AND TEAMWORK -- AND TWO, THE VERY REAL POSSIBILITY THAT MISSOURI WILL ELECT ERIC GREITENS, THAT SORT OF ANSWERS IT ALL.

THEN THERE WAS THIS RESPONSE.

I THINK IT HAD MORE TO DO WITH A DYSFUNCTIONAL LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RAM PANT CRIME.

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