>> "DONNYBROOK" IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORT OF THE BETS.. THOMAS PATTERSON FOUNDATION AND MEMBERS OF NINE PBS.

>> YOU MIGHT BE EXPECTING TO SEE CHARLIE BRENNAN.

INSTEAD YOU HAVE A PERSON OF COLOR.

ME ALVIN REID.

CHARLIE UNDER THE WEATHER THIS WEEK, BUT HE WILL BE BACK NEXT WEEK.

APRIL 11t 11th THROUGHOUT THE SHOW AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS WEEK.

OUR PANELISTS THIS WEEK ARE BILL MCCLELLAN, ST. LOUIS POST DISPATCH.

WENDY WIESE, KTRS.

AND RAY HARTMANN FOUNDER OF THE RIVERFRONT TIMES.

AND SARAH .. WELL.

WELCOME, SARAH.

WITHOUT BOTHERING TO TELL THE VICTIM'S FAMILY OR TELL THE PROSECUTOR IN THE KANSAS CITY AREA, GOVERNOR PARSON HAS PARDONED BRITT REID, THE SON OF KANSAS CITY FOOTBALL COACH ANDY REID.

BOTH REPUBLICANS..

PRETTY MUCH MOST OF THE STATE OF MISSOURI WAS OUTRAGED.

I KNOW, SARAH, I DEFINITELY WAS.

IT GOES BEYOND ASKING WHAT WAS THE GOVERNOR THINKING?

THIS IS BEYOND THE PALE.

YOUR THOUGHTS?

>> OUTRAGEOUS IS A GOOD WORD FOR THIS.

.. WHO WAS THE VICTIM IN THE DRUNK DRIVING INCIDENT AND HAS BRAIN DAMAGE THEY FEEL COULD BE PERMANENT FOR HER.

IT'S HORRIFYING TO THINK OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENING.

I WILL SAY THIS FOR GOVERNOR PARSON.

HE..

THROUGH AND LOOKING WHEN PEOPLE HAVE DONE THEIR TIME TO GIVE THEM CLEMENCY AFTER THE FACT, GIVE THEM THE PARDONS SO THEY CAN GO ON WITH THEIR LIFE.

THIS IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CASE.

..

SERVING HIS CENTS.

>> IT WAS A SHORT CENTS ANYWAY BECAUSE HE TOOK A PLEA DEAL.

THE FAMILY OF THE VICTIM WAS OUTRAGED THAT THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY MADE A DEAL WITH THE GUY.

>> HE CAN'T DO THREE YEARS FOR ALMOST DESTROYING SOMEONE'S LIFE.

.. >> THE IRONY THAT DANIEL RILEY IS IN COURT, THAT EDMONDSON TOOK THE STAND, WOULD GOVERNOR PARSON EVER DREAM OF COMMUTING A CENTS, WHICHEVER CENTS IS HANDED DOWN OF DANIEL RILEY, BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THIS WAS A POINT ROB WAS MAKING ON KTRS.

BUT MY FIRST INITIAL THOUGHT WAS I WONDER IF HE WAS HAVING A MITCH MCCONNELL MOMENT.

I HONESTLY DID.

HE IS A SUPER FAN WITH THE KANSAS CITY CHIEFS.

HE WENT TO THE SUPER BOWL.

WAS HE JUST NOT PUTTING THE -- WAS HE NOT CONNECTING THE DOTS?

BECAUSE THE OUTRAGE, AS YOU SAID.

PEOPLE W.. OTHER PLANETS.

THEY COULDN'T BELIEVE THIS COMMUTATION.

>> A GOVERNO.. FOR OCCUPATION, AND THEY MAY HAVE A CHILD OR SPOUSE OR RELATIVE THAT ARE SICK.

THERE'S KIND OF THAT KIND OF A MERCY.

THERE'S ANOTHER KIND..

GOVERNOR HAS THE RIGHT TO LOOK THE A TERRIBLE VERDICT AND SAY I'M GOING TO REDUCE THIS BECAUSE THE VERDICT IN MY JUDGMENT WAS UNFAIR WHICH IS A LEGITIMATE ROLE OF A GOVERNOR.

IN THIS CASE HE CAN'T ARGUE THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS THE PLEA THE GUY TOOK.

HE AGREED TO THIS.

HE AGREED TO IT IN LIEU OF TAKING A TRIAL WHERE HE COULD HAVE GOTTEN, GIVEN THE HORRIFIC RESULT HERE, HE COULD HAVE GOT A LOT MORE THAN A FEW YEARS.

HE AGREED TO THIS.

YOU CAN'T ARGUE THIS.

THERE'S NO MERCY THING.

THE OTHER THING I PICKED UP AND ACTUALLY GOING TO BE IN MY SUBSTACK TOMORROW.

THEY TALK ABOUT ONE OF THE TERMS, HE'S GOING TO EQUIP HIS CAR SO THAT HE CAN'T START OR SOMETHING, LIKE A BREATHALYZER.

WHY IS THIS GUY EVER, EVER, EVER GOING TO BE BEHIND THE WHEEL OF A CAR?

AT SOME POINT HE'S A RECIDIVIST.

HE TOOK THE PLEA.

YOU KNOW WHAT HE DID.

THE IDEA THAT WE CAN'T HAVE A DEATH PENALTY FOR YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE BLOWS ME AWAY.

I'M NOT SAYING EVERYBODY SHOULD GET IT.

THAT'S LIKE THE ONE THING, OH, NO, YOU CAN'T TAKE THE LICENSE.

HE SHOULD NEVER DRIVE.

REGARDLESS HOW MUCH TIME HE SHOULD DO, HE SHOULD NEVER DRIVE A CAR, EVER.

>> TO STAY WITH THE COURSE, ANOTHER VERY STRANGE CENTS WAS IN THSENTENCE,WHERE HE PLEADED GUILTY TO B EING AN ILLEGAL ARMS SALESMAN, AND IN MISSOURI THAT'S HARD TO DO.

HE SOLD AR STYLE PISTOLS AND EVERYTHING TO UNDERCOVER ATF PEOPLE.

THEY TOL..

HE WOULDN'T DO IT.

HE ENDS UP BEING CHARGED, PLEADS GUILTY AND WAS GIVEN PROBATION.

>> HE HAD GUNS BUT ENDED UP AT 30 DIFFERENT CRIME SCENES THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF.

THEY THINK HE SOLD 250 GUNS ILLEGALLY.

IT'S SHOCKING TO ME .. SEE ALL THE TIME IN ST. LOUIS FEDS ARE DOING A GOOD JOB OF ROLLING UP THE FELONS IN POSSESSION.

ONCE YOU HAVE .. ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A GUN.

YOU WILL DO PRISON TIME.

THIS GUY SUPPLIES 250 DIFFERENT PEOPLE, 30 DIFFERENT CRIME SCENES AND JUDGE JOHN ROSS GAVE HIM PROBATION.

>> MY FORMER COLLEAGUE, SPOKESPERSON FOR THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, INSTEAD OF BEING OUTRAGED, WE COULDN'T PROVE INTENT, THAT HE INTENDED THESE GUNS TO BE USED IN CRIMES.

THIS IS THE POINT OF THE PROSECUTOR.

IT WAS A VERY STRANGE STORY TO READ.

>> YOU DON..

SOMEONE'S SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS TO OWN GUNS TO REALIZE IN THIS STATE THE LEGISLATORS AND MANY OTHERS IN POWER ARE ABSOLUTELY HOSTILE.

>> THIS GUY EVEN WENT AROUND THAT.

&g..

EVEN TO THE POLICE IN TERMS OF DOING ANYTHING TO RESTRICT GUYS LIKE THIS.

IN OTHER WORDS, THEY DON'T LOOK AT THIS.

>> HE WAS ALREADY RESTRICTED.

>> I UNDERSTAND THEY KNOW IT'S A BREAK IN THE LAW, BUT THEY DON'T REALLY THINK OF IT THAT WAY.

>> I WOULD SAY JUST TO THAT.

THIS IS THE JUDGE AND THE PROSECUTOR.

>> NONSENSE COMING OUT OF JEFFERSON CITY.

SPEAKING OF NONSENSE, THIS PARDON, YOU MENTIONED THIS.

CAN YOU BE SUCH A RABID FOOTBALL FAN THAT YOU WOULD TAKE AN ACTION LIKE THIS?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

>> CONNECTING THE DOTS.

IF YOU ARE NOT CONNECTING THE DOTS, IF YOU ARE THE GOVERNOR, I AGREE.

>> I'M A FAIR WEAT..

FAN.

I DON'T KNOW HOW I E.. ONE.

I ..

REGARD FOR ANDY REID, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY EMBARRASSING TO EVERYBODY IN THAT WORLD, BECAUSE IT'S SO OBVIOUS, AND IT'S SO.

>> HE HAD NOT BEEN CONTACTED BY ANYBODY FROM THE CHIEFS ORGANIZATION.

>>.. UP?

>> WHAT I QUESTION IS ..

SUCH A LONG LIST OF BLACK MEN WHO HAVE BEEN -- WHO REPEATEDLY AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM, THAT CLEARLY ARE INNOCENT AND WON'T EVEN LISTEN TO THE CASE.

IT REALLY IS GLARING, THE INCONSISTENCY.

>>..

CAME DOWN TODAY ON SPEAK UP, I THINK IT IS, ANDY REID WAS ON AND BEING INTERVIEWED JUST AS I WAS LEAVING THE HOUSE, AND THE INTERVIEW HAD COME TO AN END.

THERE WERE FOUR PANELISTS ON THE SHOW AND NOT ONE OF THEM ASKED ABOUT THIS.

IT WAS ALL FOOTBALL.

THEY HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT DID YOU TALK TO TRAVIS KELSEY ABOUT TAYLOR SWIFT?

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO WIN THREE SUPER BOWLS IN A ROW?

DID YOU AGREE NOT TO ASK THIS GUY?

>> I BET THEY DID.

>> MEANWHILE IN ST. LOUIS, YOU KNOW, THE PARSON DECISION TOOK US NATIONALLY LOOKING BAD.

LAST WEEK ON KMOV, A STORY ABOUT BLACK HOME BUYERS SUDDENLY TURNED INTO COLORED HOME BUYERS INSTEAD OF PEOPLE OF COLOR WHO BUY HOMES.

I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THIS HAPPENED, BUT I FOR ONE, NOT JUST AS A BLACK PERSON BUT AS A PROFESSIONAL THINK BE SOMEBODY HEAD'S SHOULD ROLL.

WHAT DO THEY DO AT KMOV WITH THIS NONSENSE?

>> THEY MUST BE VERY OLD PEOPLE.

COLORED PEOPLE IS AN OLD, OLD TERM.

I'M READ..

HE USES THE TERM A LOT.

I FOUND IT JARRING.

IT'S SURPRISING TO ME.

I DON'T KNOW IF HEADS SHOULD ROLL OR NOT, BUT I THINK THEY GOT AN 85-YEAR-OLD.

>> MAYBE SOMEBODY YOUNG AND INEXPERIENCED.

>>..

THESE DAYS.

>> THAT'S VERY, VERY T..

I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE CONFUSED.

I HOPE YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT, BECAUSE WHEN IT IS PART OF THE IDENTITY OF THE NAME AND THE IDENTITY OF THE ORGANIZATION THAT IS CHARGED WITH DOING ALL OF THESE UNPLEASANT INVESTIGATIONS INTO THESE TYPES OF AWFUL SITUATIONS, COLORED, THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF COLORED PEOPLE, COULD IT BE SWITCHED TO THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF PEOPLE OF COLOR?

SHOULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT?

>> THE IDEA WHEN THE TERM WENT OUT MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, WE ARE GOING TO KEEP THAT, BECAUSE IT'S A TRADITIONAL NAME.

WE HAVE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME, GOING BACK TO LITERALLY THE LATE '30s.

CHANGED.

TH.. AND I THINK THAT NAME IS KIND OF ARCHAIC.

I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HOLD ON TO THEM.

THAT'S..

WHEN PEOPLE WRITE IN THE COMMENT SECTION, THAT'S JUST -- THAT'S CLICK BAIT AND TRYING TO IRRITATE SOMEBODY.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT LAST POINT.

ROLL, BUT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHOSE HEADS SHOULD ROLL.

I THINK A LOT OF IT HAS GOT TO DO WITH TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT A LITTLE MISTAKE.

..

I JUST DON'T KNOW WHOSE MISTAKE IT WAS.

I DON'T KNOW ANYTHIN..

CIRCUMSTANCES.

>>.. WRITE.

>> IT WAS PEOPLE OF COLOR AND SOMEHOW GOT CHANGED.

AND TED KNIGHT OF THE NEWS DEPARTMENT OVER THERE JUST RAN WHAT WAS ON THE TELEPROMPTER.

BUT YOU HAVE GOT TO CATCH THAT.

>> IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE WAS ILL INTENT HERE.

I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS EXCUSABLE.

SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING OF SOMETHING THAT STRUCK ME AS MUCH MORE OFFENSIVE AND SAID IT WAS A SLIP OF A TONGUE.

HOW DID THAT WORD COME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH UNLESS YOU ARE SAYING IT CASUALLY.

>> I WILL TAKE THAT.

I KNOW I'M ON A PANEL OF MAINLY PRINT JOURNALISTS.

WHEN IT'S 5:00 IN THE MORNING, AND I AM NOT MAKING EXCUSES AT ALL, BUT I'M SAYING THAT SOMETIMES THE TONGUE AND THE MOUTH DOES NOT GO WHERE YOU NEED IT TO GO.

>> SURE.

WE.. >> NO EXCUSE, BUT WHEN YOU THINK -- WHEN YOU THINK THE OUR AND THE SOUND OF MARTIN LUTHER, SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T DO IT.

AND KEVIN IS STILL SOMEBODY'S NAME WHOSE NAME COMES UP IN CONVERSATION HERE, WHO WASN'T GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLEAD HIS CASE.

IT WAS JUST OVER FOR HIM.

>> WHEN THAT HAPPENED, DON'T THINK OF ELEPHANTS FOR THE NEXT 30 SECONDS, AND THAT'S ALL YOU THINK ABOUT.

HE WAS TRYING .. LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING, BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE DAY TO DAY TV KIND OF THINGS, HOW MANY SECONDS DO YOU HAVE FOR THE DUMB BUTTON.

ISN'T SOMEBODY THERE SO THEY COULD HIT IT SO THE GUY'S MOUTH IS MOVING.

>> HAD TO COME FROM THE CONTROL ROOM AT NINE PBS IN RADIO.

IT COULD BE 11 SECONDS.

IT COULD BE 30 SECONDS.

IT DEPENDS ON THE RADIO STATION AND WHO'S ON THE BOARD.

>> I BROADCAST PHILOSOPHY.

IF YOU PUT YOUR FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH ENOUGH OVER THE YEARS, PEOPLE DON'T NOTICE.

>> I AM ALSO THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME OUTCRY, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A LOT.

NOW, IS THAT JUST DISRESPECT FOR TELEVISION NEWS NOW, LIKE ANYTHING GOES?

HE MAY HAVE SAID IT ON PURPOSE.

NOT ON PURPOSE, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF IT CAME UP ON CERTAIN NETWORKS AS OPPOSED TO OTHER NATIONAL NETWORKS, YOU MIGHT SAY IT'S THEM BEING THEM.

HAS IT COME TO THAT?

>> IT MIGHT BE IRONIC TO BE SAYING IT ON TELEVISION, BUT I THINK IT SPEAKS TO THE FACT A A LOT FEWER PEOPLE ARE WATCHING TV NEWS THESE DAYS.

DEMOGRAPHICS ARE BAD.

IT'S MOSTLY FRANKLY A LOT OLDER PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING THE CHANNELS.

MANY ARE STREAMING AND DON'T GET THE ACCESS.

AND UNLESS THERE'S A CLICK ON YOUR PHONE, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO REALIZE THIS HAS HAPPENED.

>> ISN'T IT AN OFFENSE SCALE, SAYING COLORED PEOPLE RANKS RATHER LOW ON IT.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK, HORRIBLE, TERRIBLE.

>> I MEAN, THAT'S A GOOD POINT, BILL, OTHER THAN IT WRINKLES ME.

THAT'S KIND OF HIGH.

>> WE ALL REMEMBER THE SIGNS.

YOU KNOW, THE SIGNS THAT ARE JUST KIND OF INI INDELLABLY IMPRINTED.

THIS.. OUT THERE.

THAT WORD HAS A LOT OF WEIGHT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT?

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS LIKE THIS WITH YOU ON APRIL 11th AT DONNYBASH.

WE REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO IT.

WE HAVE THE TIME TO GET INTO ISSUES AND WHAT NOT AND REALLY HAVE A GOOD TIME HAVING IT, AND SARAH, YOU HAVE SAT ON THE STAGE WITH US.

SO YOU COULD SHARE WHAT IT'S LIKE LOOKING OUT AT THAT FABULOUS AUDIENCE AND THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING THAT AUDIENCE OUT THERE.

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE E.. BEEN SO NERVOUS.

WENDY WAS ILL AND I GOT A LAST MINUTE CALL WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME ON THE DONNYBASH STAGE?

AND MY HUSBAND IS A SUPER FAN.

AND I SAID I'M GOING TO BE WITH HIM ON THE STAGE.

I WAS TERRIFIED.

IT WAS SO FUN, BECAUSE THE AUDIENCE IS IN SUCH A GOOD MOOD AND ALL OF YOU FINE PEOPLE ARE CRACKING JOKES.

IT'S LIKE A NIGHT OF COMEDY AND I HAD TO BE THE STRAIGHT MAN.

>> ISN'T IT FUN TO SEE PEOPLE COME FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS IN TERMS OF POLITICS OR LOCAL ISSUES, OR WHATHAVEYOU, AND EVERYBODY IS DISCUSSING THE ISSUES TO LAUGH ABOUT IT.

IT'S A NICE COMMUNITY FEEL GOOD EVENT, WHICH YOU NEED MORE OF.

>> IT'S BEEN KIND OF THE COOL THING TO DO.

>> ALWAYS ENJOYED IT, BECAUSE IT'S FUN TO BE UP THERE.

PEOPLE WHO GO THERE SAY IT'S A LOT OF FUN.

>> IT'S A GREAT CAUSE.

>> LET'S FORGET SUPPORTS PBS AS WELL AS ANY OTHER CITY IN THE COUNTRY.

..

THIS IS OUR WAY REALLY, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, TO CONNECT WITH THAT AUDIENCE.

REALLY IF YOU HOPEFULLY LIKE OUR PROGRAM, BUT ALSO ALL THE OTHER PROGRAMMING ON NINE PBS, I MEAN, THERE'S SO MUCH THAT WE GIVE TO THE COMMUNITY FROM THE NEWSHOUR.

>> OUR LOVELY AUDIENCE IS GOING TO CHECK US OUT NOW.

IT REALLY IS FUN BEING IN A LIVE SETTING AND HAVE THE PEOPLE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU CAN SEE THEIR SMILING FACES OR NOT SO SMILING FACES.

>> USUALLY WE DON'T SEE THEIR REACTION WHEN THEY ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TELEPROMPTER.

>> YOWE HAVE A VIDEO PACKET.

WE ARE GOING TO CHECK IT OUT NOW.

>> I'M SO EXCITED YOU ARE JOINING ANOTHER EPISODE OF "DONNYBROOK".

YOU HA.. "DONNYBROOK" LIVE IN ACTION AT DONNYBASH.

THAT.. JUST A COUPLE WEEKS OUT.

THE CLOCK IS TICKING.

YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS THIS PHENOMENAL OPPORTUNITY TO NOT ONLY JOIN THE NINE PBS.. AND BECOME A MEMBER BUT TO SEE "DONNYBROOK" LIVE.

AT THE 75-DOLLAR LEVEL, YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF RECEIVING THE BEAUTIFUL NINE PBS 70th BIRTHDAY MUG.

THAT I..

I CAN'T WAIT TO HAVE THAT IN MY PANTRY.

YOU ALSO GET T.. "DONNYBROOK", "DONNYBROOK" LIVE IN ACTION AT THE SHELDON CONCERT HALL ON APRIL 11th.

FANCY SPRINGTIME "DONNYBROOK".

THEN AT THE 12-DOLLAR A MONTH LEVEL, YOU RECEIVE A PAIR OF TICKETS AND THE MUG.

THAT'S A HUGE DEAL, RIGHT?

THERE'S NO OPTION THERE.

YOU GET BOTH.

TWO TICKETS AND THE FANCY NINE PBS HAPPY BIRTHDAY MUG, 70th BIRTHDAY LIMITED EDITION.

IT'S GOING TO BE AMAZING.

WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS IN STORE FOR THE 70 ANNIVERSARY AND SO MUCH IN STORE FOR DONNYBASH.

JOIN US THIS YEAR AT THE SHELDON CONCERT CALL.

GIVE US A CALL AT 1-800-568-9099.

CALL OR TEXT T..

NUMBER OR GO TO WEBSITE NINE PBS.ORG.

JOIN US.

BECOME A MEMBER RIGHT NOW.

>> THAT'S TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE.

IT.. LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU, AND YOU PLAY SUCH AN IMPORTANT ROLE FOR US HERE AT "DONNYBROOK", AT DOON DONNYBASH.

GOOD TIME WILL BE HAD BY ALL.

>> NEW YORK, DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR SAID WE NEED TO GET THINGS UNDER CONTROL ON THE SUBWAY, VIOLENT INCIDENTS THERE, BUT SHE'S TAKING ACTION AND SHE'S GOING TO USE THE NATIONAL GUARD TO KIND OF HELP OUT WITH THE SITUATION.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD SEE WORKING HERE IN ST. LOUIS ON OUR METRO LINES?

>> NO.

PEOPLE GIVE IT CREDIT FOR.

I KNOW IT GETS IN THE NEWS WHEN IT ISN'T.

IT'S OVERALL SAFE.

THE ROLE OF THE MISS.. NATIONAL GUARD IS TO QUELL SPECIFIC EMERGENCIES.

>> IS TO PROTECT THE BORDER.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT.

>> HOPEFULLY WE BUILD THE WALL ACROSS THE ARKANSAS BORDER, WHICH WE CLEARLY HAVE TO DO.

IT'S FOR SPECIFIC EMERGENCIES.

IT'S NOT A POLICE FORCE.

IT'S NOT A SECURITY DETAIL.

I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE NEW YORK SITUATION, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE HERE.

>> YOU STILL HAVE A CITY POLICE FORCE, AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT A POPULAR OPINION.

BUT YOU STILL HAVE A CITY POLICE FORCE THAT'S WOEFULLY UNDERSTAFFED.

IF WE .. OR CRIME WAVE, I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM AT ALL WITH THE MISSOURI NATIONAL GUARD BEING CALLED TO ST. LOUIS TO TRY TO KEEP THE PEACE.

GENERATION, WHEN WE HEAR THE NATIONAL GUARD, WE THINK OF KENT STATE.

.. COULD GO WRONG.

BUT THE FACT O FACT OF THE MATT..

WHEN MOTHER NATURE THAT GOES HAYWIRE, IT'S ALWAYS THE NATIONAL GUARD WE CALL ON.

I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM, NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T COMPARE THE SUBWAYS OF NEW YORK CITY TO METROLINK.

BUT I DO.. WHAT THE GOVERNOR IS DOING.

I KNOW YOU DO.

>> I THINK THE IDEA OF HAVING SOLDIERS, NATIONAL GUARD, REGULAR ARMY, ANYBODY WALKING AROUND THE STREETS IN AMERICA WITH SEMIAUTOMATIC WEAPONS DOES NOT SOUND LIKE A GOOD THING TO ME.

POLICE.

PR.. THAT DO CRIME OR SOMETHING.

TO TURN IT OVER AND SAY THE POLICE CAN'T HANDLE THIS, WE NEED AN ARMY.

>> I'M WITH BILL ON THIS.

WHAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE OFFENSIVE TO ME AS A CITY RESIDENT THAT WE ARE BEING FOUGHT BY OUR OWN STATE GOVERNMENT, WHAT MISSOURI STANDS FOR AND WHAT THEY STAND FOR COMING AT US DIFFERENT WAY.

TRYING TO STOP US.

THEY WANT TO TAKE OUR AIRPORT.

THERE'S ALL SORTS OF EXAMPLES HOW THEY ARE TRYING TO USE THEIR POWER TO CONTROL US.

THE IDEA, AS MUCH AS I'M SURE THE PEOPLE IN THE MISSOURI NATIONAL GUARD HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS, I DON'T WANT STATE MILITARY TELLING ME WHAT TO DO IN THE CITY WHEN THEY MADE IT CLEAR THEY HATE ST. LOUIS.

>> LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR.

IT'S NOT CITY POLICE.

METRO POLICE IS FROM A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT IN ST. CLAIRE COUNTY, THE CITY, AND ST. LOUIS COUNTY.

WHEN THEY DID A STUDY SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THEY WERE VERY CRITICAL OF BISTATE FOR THE FAILURE OF THOSE AGENCIES TO COMMUNICATE.

THEY TOOK STEP.. UNDERSTANDING TO ADDRESS THIS, THAT POLICE ARE WORKING TOGETHER MUCH BETTER, AND THIS IS A CASE WHERE WE STICK UP FOR OUR POLICE AND I THINK THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE COMMUNICATING BETTER, WORKING BETTER.

AND AGAIN, ANY TIME THERE'.. CRIME, IF THERE'S A CRIME TWO BLOCKS FROM THE METRO ADMINISTRATION, IT GETS REPORTED AS SUCH.

AND I DON'T WANT TO BE POLYANISH ABOUT IT, BUT ANY CRIME IS TOO MUCH.

..

THINK.

AND YOU ..

CAR, AND THINGS ARE GOING WRONG.

THAT'S A VERY SCARY THING.

>> LET ME GIVE YOU THIS ALTERNATIVE.

WHAT.. YOU ARE IN UNIFORM AND YOU ARE LIKE A LIVING 911 CALL BUT YOU HAVE YOUR LITTLE THING HERE SO IF SOMETHING HAPPENED YOU COULD IMMEDIATELY REPORT IT.

I THINK PEOPLE RESPOND.. REASON, TO PEOPLE IN UNIFORM.

>> I AGREE.

>> I THINK THAT WOULD ..

IF THEY WEREN'T ARMED.

>> THEY HAD SECURITY RIDING THE TRAINS AND ON THE PLATFORMS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY IS SAYING WE HAVE THE URGENT NEED TO GET MORE SECURITY ON THAT.

BRING IN THE MILITARY.

>> I MEAN, THEY ARE DOING IT IN NEW YORK.

I'M NOT SAYING HERE.

>> WE HAD AN UNARMED METRO SECURITY GUY WHO WAS SHOT AND KILLED A COUPLE YEARS AGO AT THE DELMAR STATION.

>> IF THEY ARE IN UNIFORM, LIKE A SMART BERET THAT YOU WORE THAT SIGNIFIED YOU WERE WITH THE METRO.

>> I WOULD..

MYSELF WITH THE WORDS OF THE FELLOW FOUNDER.

I UNDERSTAND THERE'S CRIME BUT THERE'S JUST -- CERTAINLY SPORTING EVENTS AND WHATEVER, THERE'S CRIME EVERYWHERE RIGHT NOW.

I DO NOT THINK.

>> THERE'S SNAKES ON A PLANE.

THERE'S SNAKES ON A METRO CAR.

I DON'T THINK IT'S AS BAD.

>> IF YOU ARE IN NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST, WHATEVER, THE THING IS THAT PEOPLE WHO RIDE IT HAVE TO FEEL SAFE.

IF THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE, YOU HAVE GOT TO TAKE SOME ACTION.

TELL YOU.

THE .. COUNTY RIGHT NOW, BUT BILL, SAM PAGE WON'T LET IT GO BECAUSE HE WANTS TO GET THE BUDGET CUTS OFFICIALLY PASSED.

THEN HE WILL LET GO MONEY TO NOT-FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS AND WHATNOT.

IF YOU.. BUDGET, YOU HAVE GOT TO FIX THE BUDGET.

TO.. MAKING ONE.

>> THESE NOT-FOR-PROFITS THAT ARE EXPECTING THESE MONEY AND BUILD THE BUDGETS AROUND THE MONEY, AND YOU TELL THEM YOU ARE GOING TO GET THIS MONEY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU ARE CAUGHT IN A POLITICAL FIGHT.

SAM PAGE IS PROBABLY RIGHT ABOUT THE BUDGET, BUT YOU CAN'T FORCE THE NONPROFITS TO SUDDENLY NOT GET THE EXPECTED MONEY THAT THEY DEPEND ON.

>> IT'S HIS JOB TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY COUNCIL.

THIS IS A HOSTAGE TAKING IS ..

THIS IS.

YOU JUST DON'T DO THIS.

>> IN THAT LEADERSHIP?

>> NO, NO, NO.

>> THESE PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT THE MONEY IS COMING.

THEY HAVE ALREADY SPENT THE PHONE IN SOME CASES, BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS COMING, AND IT'S LIKE EENY MEANY MINY, SORRY.

>>.. FOR SPENDING MONEY THEY DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE IN THE BANK ACCOUNT.

>.. COVID RELIEF FUND.

AND IT'S SUCH A DROP IN THE BUCKET FOR THE COUNTY.

IN ONE CASE THEY ARE GETTING $25,000.

WH.. ARE COUNTING YOUR PENNIES, THAT CAN REALLY SCREW YOU UP.

IT'S HORRIBLE.

>> WE HAVE GOT TO BALANCE BUDGETS.

TO..

IF SOMEBODY MAKES A TOUGH DECISION, OH, NO, NOT THEM OR NOT US.

WHERE DOES THE BUDGET GET CUT?

YOU DON'T DO IT THIS WAY.

>> HOW DO YOU DO IT?

>> THEY SAID BUY THIS MAGAZINE OR WE WILL SHOOT THIS DOG?

THAT'S WHAT THIS SOUNDS LIKE.

>> WHAT'S YOUR REMEDY THEN?

>> MY REMEDY IS HE NEEDS TO SIT DOWN WITH THE COUNTY COUNCIL AND WORK THIS OUT.

THAT'S HIS JOB.

YOU HAVE TO FIX IT.

YOU DO NOT HOLD THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING GOOD NOT-FOR-PROFITS AND SAY WELL, IF YOU DON'T DO XY AND Z THESE PEOPLE WILL DIE.

YOU DON'T DO IT THAT WAY.

>> I DON'T THINK HE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PEOPLE SPENDING MONEY THEY DON'T HAVE.

>> IF THE COUNTY PROMISES ME THAT THE MONEY IS COMING, AM I WRONG?

>> IN SPENDI.. >> SOME POOR SINGLE MOM STRUGGLING, ALVIN AND EXPECTING THE WAY CHECK FOR THE WORK SHE'S DONE.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE OTHER POINT.

IF THIS WAS SO.. PET PROJECT OF THE COUNCILMAN AND THIS WAS SOMETHING THEY WERE DOING AND THEY WANTED, IT WAS SOME STUPID THING, THEN YOU COULD SAY I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU THIS CANDY.

>> THAT'S LEADERSHIP.

>> THAT'S OKAY.

BUT WHEN YOU INVOLVE A THIRD PARTY THAT'S INNOCENT AND UNINVOLVED, IT'S NOT SOMETHING FOR THE COUNTY COUNCIL.

THEY ARE DOING IMPORTANT WORK THAT FEDERAL FUNDING WAS DESIGNED FOR TO HOLD THEM HOSTAGE AS A THIRD PARTY.

HOLD ALL THE PET PROJECTS OF THE COUNCILMAN HOSTAGE IF YOU WANT.

THAT'S NOT HOSTAGING.

IT'S ASSOCIATING.

BUT WHEN YOU BRING IN AN INNOCENT THIRD PARTY LIKE THAT, IT'S A HOSTAGE THING.

>> BOWLING HAS A CONFERENCE CENTER AND A CATHOLIC ORGANIZATION WANTS TO BUY IT.

IT WOULD BE TAKEN OFF THE TAX ROLLS.

HOW DO YOU SIT ON IT, SARAH?

>> YOU CAN'T GO AROUND SAYING WE WILL SELL TO PEOPLE AND KEEP IT ON THE TAX ROLLS.

AT THAT POINT YOU WOULD HAVE A PRETTY GOOD LAWSUIT FOR DISCRIMINATION.

BEYOND T.. ACTUALLY GET LUCKY HERE THAT THE GROUP CHOSE TO BUY THIS.

THE RIVERFRONT TIMES REPORTED A LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR AGO THERE WAS A CONSULT, ALLEGED CONSULT THAT WAS SERIOUSLY LOOKING AT THE SAME PROPERTY.

THIS IS A CONSULT THAT HAS BEEN ACCUSED IN SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES MOVING PEOPLE IN, HAVING UNLICENSED DRUG SHELTERS, LEADERS RAISED PEOPLE FROM THE DEAD.

LOOK DESCENT IN COMPARISON.

>> THIS IS THE AUGUSTA INSTITUTE.

CONSERVATIVE.. WILL HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.

I AGREE WITH YOU, SARAH, YOU CAN'T SAY, WELL, THE CATHOLICS WANT IT, SO NO, IT'S GOING TO DO SOMETHING TO OUR TAX BASE, SO WE CAN'T DO THAT.

>> SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE CATHOLIC.

>.. >> TO ME IT'S ABSURD TO THINK ABOUT THAT ELEMENT.

IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK IT'S THE CONSERVATIVE NATURE OF THE GROUP THAT'S GOING IN.

>> SEEMS LIKE PERFECTLY FINE NEWS TO ME.

OF ALL THE THINGS THAT SHOULD NOT COME INTO PLAY IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, ARE YOU GOING TO CONTRIBUTE TO OUR TAX ROLLS AND IF SOMEBODY ELSE HAS A COMPETING USE, IT'S ONE THING.

I DON'T THINK IT'S AUTOMATIC.

BUT THAT FACTOR.

>> THERE WAS A LETTER TO "DONNYBROOK" LAST WEEK FROM SOMEBODY FROM MR. CROW FROM UNIVERSITY CITY ABOUT HOW UNIVERSITY CITY HAS A RIGHT TO BE UPSET WHEN WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY IS BUYING PROPERTY THAT WASN'T ON THE TAX ROLLS AND TAKE THEM OFF.

I THOUGHT HIS LETTER MADE A LOT OF SENSE.

>> THIS IS ONE PROPERTY.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> THE ISSUE WITH WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY HAS TO BE EVERYBODY ACCEPTS ITS EDUCATIONAL MENU IS VERY IMPORTANT.

WHEN IT STARTS GETTING INTO CLAYTON, U CITY AND THE CITY, WHEN IT STARTS GETTING INTO PURCHASING PROPERTY, IT BECOMES ESSENTIALLY A RESIDENTIAL LANDLORD, NOW IT'S GOTTEN OUTSIDE OF ITS MISSION, AND THEY ARE CONCERNED, AND I THINK IT'S A JUST ONE, WHY ARE WE LETTING YOU BE A COMMERCIAL LANDLORD?

>> TALKING ABOUT BEING ON THE TAX ROLL.

>> TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE TAX EXEMPT STATUS.

THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT.

>> IS THIS KIND OF LIKE BLOW BACK ON CHURCHES IN GENERAL NOT PAYING TAX?

I THIN.. OF PEOPLE THAT ARE KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW.

>> PERHAPS, PERHAPS.

BUT I THINK IT IS THE CONSERVATIVE BACKGROUND OF THE GROUP THAT IS TAKING -- THAT'S GOING TO BE TAKING OVER THAT HAS CAUGHT THE ATTENTION OF THE PEOPLE WHO SUDDENLY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TAX ROLLS ON THIS ONE PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.

>> OKAY.

WE.. CATHOLICS.

CULT CONSERVATIVE CATHOLICS.

WHAT'S IN THE MIDDLE?

>> REEFN WITEVEN WITH CHURCHES, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT.

>> THAT'S DEFINITELY TRUE.

I THINK IT'S A PHILOSOPHICAL ARGUMENT, LIKE A RELIGIOUS ARGUMENT.

MEANWHILE, WHY IS ONLY SELLING THIS DOES ANYBODY -- THAT'S THE PART THAT I.

>> WHO NEEDS OFFICES ANYMORE.

THEY ARE ALL COLLABORATING VIA ZOOM.

.. CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS BEEN SHEDDING A TON OF PROPERTIES.

THEY HAD HUGE ASSETS, NOT EXACTLY A GROWING CHURCH THESE DAYS.

>> CONTRARY TO CURRENT TRENDS.

>> I WILL TELL YOU WHAT.

WE ARE NOT A CULT.

WE ARE NOT A RELIGION, BUT YOU CAN FOLLOW US JUST LIKE THAT.

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AND I WOULD HAVE TO SHARE WITH YOU MY FIRST EXPERIENCE WAS LIKE YOURS, CHARLIE, I WAS NOT AVAILABLE.

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>> AND ANOTHER THING WE WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY ABOUT, THIS IS THE SEASON -- COMING UP ON THE SEASON FOR ANNIVERSARIES, MOTHER'S DAY, FATHER'S DAY AND THAT KIND OF THING.

WE MEET SO MANY PEOPLE EVERY YEAR AT DONNYBASH SAYING THIS WAS MY ANNIVERSARY FREN PRESENT ORBITER DAY PRESENT OR WHAT-HAVE-YOU.

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WE NEE.. >> THIS WILL BE A NEW EXPERIENCE FOR ALL OF US, BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING BEFORE.

THINKING TO YOURSELF, WHAT'S THE WEATHER GOING TO BE LIKE?

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THIS PROGRAM DOES NO.. REBRANDED BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS "DONNYBROOK" AND EVERYBODY KNOWS DONNYBASH.

AND A LENGTHY ARTICLE ABOUT DOES ST. LOUIS NEED TO REBRAND ITSELF?

AN..

ARTICLE, I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, IT SEEMS LIKE I HAVE READ THIS ARTICLE ABOUT 75 TIMES.

WHICH SHOULD WE BE?

>> I LIKE GLOBAL WARMING WORKS FOR US.

NO LINES.

LIKE YOU, ALVIN, I HAVE READ THE STORIES AND WRITTEN A FEW OF THEM OVER THE MANY YEARS.

WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS A REBRAND, AND EVERYTHING WILL BE BETTER.

I .. >> I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS COME FROM OUT OF TOWN TO VISIT ME HERE, BECAUSE I HAVE LIVED IN A LOT OF PLACES BEFORE I MOVED HERE.

SURPRISED HOW COOL VARIOUS THINGS IN ST. LOUIS ARE, AND HOW LOVELY IT IS.

AND I TAKE THEM TO A.. AND IT BLOWS THEIR MIND.

AT THE SAME TIME THEY HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE JANGY, AND WHAT'S UP WITH YOUR STREETS?

I JUST LOST A CROWN.

AND IT'S NOT A BRANDING PROBLEM.

IT'S THINGS THAT ARE BROKEN AND WE CAN FIX.

AND THERE'S NO SLOGAN THAT'S GOING TO SOLVE THAT.

BUT GUESS WHAT.

THAT'S TRUE FOR A LOT OF AMERICANS AS WELL.

>> YOU MAKE SUCH A GREAT POINT, SARAH.

ON BROADWAY, WE HAVE SOFT OPENINGS.

YOU HAVE S.. TOWN.

HAVE TO FIX WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.

THEN YOU DEC.. TO PRESENT THE CITY IN A NEW LIGHT, BUT THIS IS NOT THE TIME, IN MY OPINION.

WE JUST HAVE SOME GLARING THINGS TO CLEAN UP BEFORE WE SAY COME AND CHECK US OUT.

>> IT IS TRUE, THOUGH, THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE, WE WILL TAKE THEM TO THE HILL FOR LUNCH AND SIT THERE.

THE LAST TIME I DID IT THE.. A BICYCLE RACE GOING AROUND THE HILL, FOREST PARK.

THERE'S SO MUCH TO LIKE ABOUT HERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU BRAND THAT.

>> I'M WITH YOU THAT IT'S NOT A SLOGAN THING.

THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE BUSINESS JOURNAL WRITTEN BY A FRIEND OF MINE JOE BLANKER, AND THEY HAD A GOOD ANALYSIS HOW WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE POPULATION QUESTION HERE.

WE HAVE GOT TO FIG.. TO IMPROVE.

ALMOST LIKE WE HAVE GOT TO GET THAT FIRST.

WE HAVE GOT TO START THINKIN.. WAYS TO REVERSE THIS KIND OF -- IT'S NOT A SHARP -- COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES, WE HAVE REALLY FALLEN BEHIND.

IT ALMOST STARTS WITH THAT, WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE A STRATEGY TO TRY TO IDENTIFY SOME THINGS.

THE THING I THINK IS UNDERESTIMATED ABOUT ST. LOUIS IS THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

WHETHER IT'S THE COST OF LIVING OR THE QUALITY OF THE RESTAURANTS, YOU KNOW, YOU NAME IT, AND THE CULTURAL I THINK SO SUBSTITUTIONS WHICH I DON'T THINK THEY ALL SHOULD BE F..

TOURISTS, BUT I THINK WE HAVE SO MUCH TO OFFER.

SOMEHOW WE HAVE GOT TO GET PAST THE -- WE HAVE GOT TO ON ONE HAND ADDRESS THE POPULATION THING AS A REAL ISSUE.

AND THEN WE HAVE GOT TO WORK BACK FROM THAT.

>> I SEE WHERE THE REBRANDING FOLKS ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE POPULATION.

>> PART OF IT IS..

SIMPLE AS GETTING A BETTER REGIONAL STRATEGY.

WE HAVE SO MANY.

>> WE HAVE A REGIONAL STRATEGY ON THIS.

THIS IS HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE STLMADE SLOGAN.

UNTIL WE GET THE CRIME SITUATION UNDER CONTROL FOR TWO CONSECUTIVE YEARS, AND I UNDERSTAND WE ARE DOWN RIGHT NOW, HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE THAT, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE CRITICAL.

AND .. '90s WHERE YOU SEE BLACK FAMILIES LEAVING ST. LOUIS.

NOBODY WAS ALARMED ABOUT IT.

IT CONTINUES TO BE A PROBLEM.

>> IT CONTINUES TODAY.

WE HAVE TO GET OVER OUR INFERIORITY COMPLEX.

WE DO TALK ABOUT THE CRIME.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

CRIME IS THE TOP PROBLEM, BUT IT'S ALSO A TOP PROBLEM IN OTHER PLACES.

WE..

SENSE OF COMMUNITY WHERE WE START REALIZING -- I KNOW IT SOUNDS HOKIE, WHETHER IT'S THE CITY COUNTY, ST. CHARLES COUNTY, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER OURSELVES AS ONE REGION.

>> I HEAR ALL OF..

BUT I GUESS I HAVE GOT TO GO MADISON AVENUE.

THE WAY TO TIE THIS .. GET US TO BELIEVE IN OURSELVES IS TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALL SAY AND GRASP.

NOW, WE GOT THE ART, AND WE GOT THOSE HORSES, THE CLYDESDALES.

EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES THOSE TWO THINGS.

DO.. DO WE FIND SOMETHING NEW?

I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY A BAD IDEA TO TRY TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALL RELATE TO TO CONVINCE OURSELVES, FIRST AND THEN WE CAN CONVINCE THE WORLD.

>&g.. NO?

>..

I DON'T KNOW.

IN THE.. JOURNAL STORY IT WAS WE HAVE STLMADE.

AND .. PEOPLE SAYING WE HAVE NO IDENTITY.

AND ..

THESE ARE PEOPLE IN THE SAME STORY.

>> BUT THE TAG LINE WHEN YOU ARE COMING UP IN AUGUST.

WILL IT BE THE TENTH ANNIVERSARY OF MICHAEL BROWN.

THAT PROPELLED US TO ENTER GALACTIC STATUS IN A NEGATIVE WAY THAT FOLLOWED US FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

TO PRETEND IF WE CLICK OUR RUBY HEELS TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH A CATCHY SLOGAN, WE HAVE REAL ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BY LEADERS, ELECTED LEADERS.

HOPEFULLY THEY WILL BE.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT MORE THAN A NEW IDENTITY TAG.

>> LOOK IT HAS THE BUSCHS SELLING PLENTY OF BEER, APPLE SELLING PLENTY OF PHONE.

THEY PUT A LOT INTO COMMERCIALS AND TRYING TO PUT THEIR IMAGE OUT THERE IN A POSITIVE LIKE.

>> AND VEGAS HAS WHAT HAPPENS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> THING IS IF THE FOLKS ARE LOOKING TO US, APPARENTLY WE ARE STILL WORKING ON IT.

I DON'T HAVE A SLOGAN OFFHAND.

I WAS GOING TO SAY I THINK WE SHOULD BE NOT UNDERESTIMATING THE QUALITY OF OUR CULTURE.

IT'S SOMETHING.

>> NO LINES, LIGHT TRAFFIC.

>> AFFORDABLE AND PRICELESS.

>> THERE YOU GO.

I WILL TELL YOU THIS.

MISSOURI VALLEY CONFERENCE BASKETBALL TOURNAMENT IS IN ST. LOUIS RIGHT NOW.

I WILL TELL YOU WHAT.

THE FOLKS AND THE FAN BASES THAT COME HERE FROM THE PEORIA AND DOWN IN CARBONDALE AND DES MOINES WHERE DRAKE IS, THEY ARE REALLY EXCITED TO COME TO ST. LOUIS ONCE HERE.

I EXPERIENCED THE ENTIRE WEEKEND.

DO..

THEY REALLY LIKE COMING TO ST. LOUIS.

MAYBE WE USE THOSE FOLKS AND PUT THEM ON A COMMERCIAL AND SAY HEY, NOTHING HAPPENED TO ME.

NOTHING HAPPENED TO ME.

>> BREWS AND ZOOS AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR DECADES NOW APPARENTLY CANNABIS IS 1.4 BILLION DOLLARS.

>> NOTHING HAPPENED TO..

I LIKE THAT.

>> ALL KINDS OF BACKGROUND.

NOTHING HAPPENED TO ME.

>> THAT'S A GOOD ONE.

>> ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE FOUND OUT THAT MISSOURI WENT JUST WHACKY FOR MARIJUANA WHEN IT BECAME LEGAL.

BEAT OUT COLORADO'S FIRST YEAR, ILLINOIS'S FIRST YEAR.

RAY, I MEAN, SERIOUSLY SHOULD POT BE PART OF YOUR STANDARD IN ST. LOUIS?

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE PREDICTED THAT WE WOULD -- KEEP IN MIND THE REVENUE IS VERY REAL.

>> EXCEPT FOR THE CITY.

>> GIVE US TIME.

>> WHATEVER ONE THINKS ABOUT POT, THAT HORSE IS OUT OF THE BARN.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GOING TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES WHEN THAT HAPPENS.

THERE'S NO QUESTION ANYBODY -- ANY QUESTIONS PEOPLE HAD ABOUT THE FORM OF THIS AS TAXATION, THOSE OF US WHO THOUGHT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN VALIDATED BY THAT.

IT'S A SIGNIFICANT SOURCE OF REVENUE, AND REMEMBER HOW MUCH OF THAT REVENUE EXISTED BEFORE BUT WASN'T BEING TAXED.

IT WAS ILLEGAL AND SO FORTH.

I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO EMBRACE THIS.

>> I THINK WHAT'S UNFORTUN.. AS MUCH AS I'M VERY HAPPY ABOUT THIS, GLAD IT'S LEGALIZED.

IF YOU TALK TO PEOPLE WHO OWN BARS OR RESTAURANTS, THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT LIKE THIS MONEY IS MONEY PEOPLE WERE SAVING UNDER THEIR MATTRESS AND NOW THEY ARE GOING OUT AND SPENDING IT ON CANNABIS.

PEOP.. MORE.

PEOPLE HAVE SEEN A B..

THE BUSINESS.

PEOPLE ARE HAPPY TO STAY H.. HAVE THE GUMMY AND STAY HOME.

IT HAS TAKEN MORE MONEY THAT WAS GOING TO OUTWARD FACING SUBSTANCES SUCH AS ALCOHOL AND PUTTING IT INTO SOMETHING THAT MAKES YOU A LITTLE MORE OF AN INTROVERT.

>> CANNABIS IS.. DOWN AND BUYING A BEER.

IF I'M THE STATE, AS BAD AS OUR STATE IS, AROUND THE STATE, NO, I'M SORRY, YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY.

YOU NEED A SLOGAN AT YOUR BAR TO MAKE PEOPLE TO COME HERE.

>> I THINK IT WORKS GREAT FOR THE STATE.

I DO FEEL BAD FOR THE BAR OWNERS.

&g.. PANDEMIC AND NOW THEY ARE UP AGAINST THIS, TOO.

>> I WANT YOUNG PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND START DRINKING AGAIN.

THEY ARE INCLINED TO HAVE ONE AND GO HOME IS WHAT I HEAR FROM THE 20s SOMETHING THAT I WORK WITH.

>>..

COMPONENT, ALTHOUGH I'M SOUNDING OLD WHEN I SAY IT.

IT SHOWS HOW REMOVED I AM FROM HAVING MUCH OF A LIFE.

IT SEEMS TO ME A LOT OF OURS ARE STILL DOING IT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO KNOCK OUT THE BARBIES.

BUT WHEN THE RAMS LEFT, BUDDIES GET RECIRCULATED.

EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED.

SO WHEN ONE THING IS GREAT, IT HURTS SOMETHING ELSE.

AND THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS THOUGHT WE WERE OVERLY WORRIED ABOUT WHEN THE RAMS LEFT TOWN, ALL THE MONEY IS GOING TO GO WITH THEM.

>> YOU MADE THE SAME POINT ABOUT CASINOS, TOO.

>> IT'S DOG EAT DOG.

>> WE WANT MORE MARIJUANA SALES, BUT WE DON'T WANT MORE DISPENSARIES BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM?

OH, NO, I DON'T WANT IT HERE.

I DON'T WANT IT THERE.

>> THEY ARE EVERYWHERE.

>> THEY ARE EVERYWHERE.

>> THEY ARE ABOUT TO DO A WHOLE OTHER ROUND OF THE LICENSES.

>> THEY ARE DOING IT BY LOTTERY.

WHEN PARSON GAVE THIS TO TILLY AND LET HIM RUN THE MARIJUANA THING, THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

THE PEOPLE JOINED TILLY'S ORGANIZATION GOT THE FIRST LICENSES AND SAID WE ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYBODY ELSEWHERE MINI LICENSES.

HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND OLD HIPPIES AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS, BUT IT'S NOT WORKING OUT THAT WAY.

IT'S A LOTTERY.

>> WE HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL IN TERMS OF FUTURE PLANNING, BECAUSE AS HAS BEEN THE CASE WITH COLORADO AND OTHER STATES THAT YOU MENTIONED ARE AHEAD OF US, THEY PLATEAU AND THEN WHAT?

>> WE JUST ADD THAT MONEY.

>> I'M GOING TO -- COLORADO LEGALIZED MARIJUANA.

INFLATION, COSTS, ALL OF THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHY WE BEAT THEM IN THE FIRST YEAR.

I DON'T THINK THEY WERE OUT THERE JUST, YOU KNOW, DOING ALL THE CANNABIS IN THE WORLD.

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S AS CONSERVATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO THIS TYPE OF RECREATIONAL.

>> THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE PIPE THAT PROVE THAT, ALSO.

WE ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE SUPPOSEDLY UNTIL MARIJUANA COMES UP AND OTHER REFERENDUMS AND TRYING TO CHANGE THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTE ON.

WE COULD BE LIBERAL WHEN WE WANT TO BE.

>&g.. THOSE DISPENSARIES.

NOTHING HAPPENED TO ME.

>> ALL FITS INTO THE SAIS CIVIC THING.

>..

IF CANNABIS SALES ARE WORKING THIS WELL, WHY ARE WE DRAGGING OUR FEET ON LEGALIZING GAMBLING?

>> ONCE AGAIN, IT'S REVENUE -- IT'S NOT LIKE LEGALIZING GAMBLING IS GOING TO CREATE GAMBLING.

IT E..

IT WAS MUCH LIKE THE ARGUMENT WITH POT.

IT EXISTS.

YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT.

I THINK THE WORLD WOULD BE BETTER OFF, QUITE FRANKLY, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE SO MUCH GAMBLING, AND I HAVE NOTICED PROBLEM GAMBLERS, AND IT'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM WHAT HAPPENS.

THE REALITY IS IT EXISTS A..

QUESTION IS DO YOU WANT YOUR SHARE OF IT?

>> I KNOW WE ARE IN A PERIOD OF TRANSITIONING FROM THE OLD ANCIENT WORLD THAT I COME FROM AND YOU GUYS COME FROM, TOO.

BUT INTO THE NEW WORLD, BUT IT IS STILL JARRING FOR ME TO SEE ON TELEVISION YEAH, DRAFT KINGS -- THAT'S BIZARRE TO ME.

>> I KNOW IT'S REAL.

>> I THOUGHT I WAS WEIRD.

>> I HONESTLY THOUGHT I WOULD SEE THAT DAY BEFORE -- WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE I SAID ONE DAY THEY ARE GOING TO LEGALIZE GAMBLING BECAUSE IT'S LEGALIZED IN VEGAS.

I NEVER THOUGHT .. A MARIJUANA STORE.

>> WHEN I WAS 21 YEARS OLD I THOUGHT POT WILL BE LEGAL IN 10 YEARS.

I ..

I WAS CONVINCED OF IT.

>> KEEP IN MIND IN MISSOURI, THE STATE OF MISSOURI IS IN THE GAMBLING BUSINESS WITH THE LOTTERY.

.. >> THE PROBLEM IS THAT IS FIRST IT WAS, YOU KNOW, MARIJUANA, AND NOW IT'S GAMBLING, AND YOUR BIGGEST PROBLEM IS YOUR TWO STATES NEXT TO YOU ALREADY LEGALIZED THESE THINGS, AND IT MEANS YOUR MONEY IS LEAVING THE STATE.

>> WE HAVE DONE THAT FOREVER, FOREVER FRANKLY ADULT ENTERTAINMENT.

ST. LOUIS HAS ADULT ENTERTAINMENT BUT IT'S IN ILLINOIS SO MISSOURI DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE THE HIT.

>> A FRIEND OF HIS WILL STILL TAKE HIS LIT MARIJUANA CIGARETTE UNDER THE DECK AND OFF INTO THE CORNER AND HIS WIFE WILL YELL DOWN, IT'S LEGAL NOW, HONEY.

OH, THAT'S RIGHT.

IT'S LEGAL.

IT'S LEGAL.

>> IT TAKES A WHILE.

CHILDREN IN THE '70s.

>> IT WAS A YOUNGER AGE.

LET'S GO TO LETTERS.

RAY'S WRIGHT RIGHT.

WE DO PAY A LOT OF TAXES TT FEDERATO THEFEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

ANDAL TON, ILLINOIS.

IT'S HARD TO SAY LIGHT RAIL HAS NOT ECONOMICALLY TRANSFORMED A CERTAIN AREA WHEN THE SYSTEM'S TOTAL FOOTPRINT IS ALREADY SO SMALL.

..

IT TO USING IT MAKE IT MORE CONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE.

IT SHOULD NATURALLY HELP WITH THE SAFETY ISSUE AND MAKE THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS NOR VISIBLE, WHICH WILL MAKE FUTURE EXPANSION MORE VIABLE.

A VERY LOOSE LUCID LETTER.

WHEN YOU VOLUNTARILY JOIN A GROUP, YOU AGREE TO GO ALONG WITH THE RULES, NOT SAY WHAT RULES YOU WILL FOLLOW AND WHAT RULES YOU WON'T.

NO DOUBT WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO WAS FOR A GOOD CAUSE, BUT THERE IS NO REASON THIS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE OUTSIDE THE UMBRELLA OF THE GIRL SCOUTS.

FROM VICKI BROWN OF ST. LOUIS COUNTY.

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