>> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORT OF THE BETSY AND THOMAS PATTERSON FOUNDATION AND THE MEMBERS OF NINE PBS.

>> WELL, I'M BACK AGAIN AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT UP WITH ME FOR THE NEXT REALLY HOUR AND NEXT WEEK.

WE MISS CHARLIE.

HE'LL BE BACK SOON.

WE'RE GOING TO SEE YOU AND HIM AT DONNYBASH AND WE'RE VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.

LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS SHOW WITH WENDY WIESE FROM KTRS, BILL McCLELLAN, ONE OF OUR FOUNDERS FROM THE ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH, RAY HARTMANN FROM RAWSTORY.COM AND ALSO ONE OF OUR FOUNDERS AND FILLING THIS WEEK THE JOE HOLLEMAN FROM THE POST-DISPATCH.

WELCOME, ALL.

WELL, ANOTHER TRAGEDY, THIS TIME IN UVALDE, TEXAS.

A GUNMAN ENTERS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LEAVING 19 CHILDREN AND TWO ADULTS DEAD.

THE RAMIFICATIONS ARE BEING DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

OUR SENATORS HAVE NOT COME FORTH AND SAID THEY ARE INCLINED TO SEEK ANY KIND OF GUN CONTROL LEGISLATION.

BILL, ARE YOU SURPRISED OR YOU THINK THAT'S JUST WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW?

>> I'M NOT SURPRISED AT ALL.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

IF ANYTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN, I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF WHEN FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP SPEAKS AT THE NRA CONVENTION IN TEXAS THIS WEEKEND, IF TRUMP DOESN'T ASK FOR SOMETHING LIKE UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS JUST BECAUSE I THINK HE'S A GUY WITHOUT A TRUE NORTH, JUST LIKE HE WAS PRO CHOICE BEFORE HE WAS PRO LIFE, AND I DON'T THINK HE REALLY CARES ABOUT GUNS AND HE MIGHT FIGURE THIS WILL HELP HIM WITH SUBURBAN WOMEN.

AND IF HE DOES ASK FOR USEFUL BACKGROUND CHECKS, THEN I THINK -- FOR UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS, I THINK MAYBE OUR SENATORS WOULD COME AROUND AND AGREE TO THAT.

>> I DON'T THINK EITHER IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS, BUT -- >> AND THAT'S A WILD GUESS ON MY PART, RIGHT?

>> I THINK IF THEY WERE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT -- THERE'S A PATTERN ABOUT THIS, TED CRUZ IN PARTICULAR, WHERE THERE'S ACTUALLY AN UPSIDE TO EXPLOITING THE EMOTION ON THE OTHER SIDE AND DOUBLING DOWN IF YOU'RE A FAR RIGHT REPUBLICAN ON THIS SUBJECT O THE SUBJECT OF GUNS.

THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME.

THEY IT DID AFTER SCENES HOOK.

AFTER SANDY HOOK, PRESIDENT OBAMA BUT FORTH BACKGROUND CHECKS THAT 90% OF THE FOLKS WANTED AND RAND PAUL AND MO BROOKS AND MIKE LEE KILL IT.

THAT WAS IN 2013, THE SAME THING HAPPENED AFTER THE HORRIBLE SHOOTING IN CHARLESTON, I MEAN THE HORRIBLE MURDER, A RACIST WHITE SUPREMACIST KILLED NINE PEOPLE, NOTHING HAPPENED, IN A CHURCH, NINE AFRICAN AMERICANS.

NOTHING HAPPENED THEN.

WE'VE SEEN THE SAME THING, WHETHER IT'S -- AND SO I DON'T THINK -- WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF THE DEMOCRATS CAN MAKE THIS AN ISSUE THAT, IF THEY CAN, IF THEY CAN GET, LIKE IN METROPOLITAN AREAS, IT COULD BE A PROBLEM FOR CONGRESS PEOPLE LIKE ANN WAGNER, BUT SO FAR, I'LL BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT.

AND I DON'T THINK HAWLEY OR BILLIONS WILL GO ALONG WITH IT NO MATTER WHAT TRUMP SAYS.

>> CNN RAN A STORY TODAY THAT TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE GALLUP POLLING ORGANIZATION ASKED PEOPLE ABOUT GUNS AND WHETHER THEY WERE SATISFIED OR, YOU KNOW, DISSATISFIED WITH CURRENT GUN LAWS.

36% FOR DISSATISFIED WITH CURRENT GUN LAWS AND WANTED CHANGES.

THAT'S WHY THERE IS NO SENSE OF URGENCY.

AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO OFFER THEIR OPINIONS ON THE SECOND AMENDMENT FOR FEAR OF BEING CONFRONTED AND SHOUTED DOWN.

I MEAN, THAT'S -- I REALLY THINK THAT'S -- >> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, WENDY.

>> -- WHERE THIS IS.

>> AND I THINK -- I THINK ALL PARTIES NEED TO BLAME THE IDEA THAT A POLITICAL PARTY USES TRAGEDY FOR THEIR OWN POLITICAL END.

>> CHUCK SCHUMER.

>> I DON'T THINK IS LIMITED TO ONE SIDE.

>> NO.

>> IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT SIDE YOU'RE ON, THAT'S OKAY.

I THINK WHAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THESE DISCUSSIONS THAT THE POLITICIANS HAVE IS, ONCE AGAIN, THEY WANT TO TREAT A COMPLEX PROBLEM IN A VERY SIMPLISTIC FASHION, THAT THE ONLY THING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE HERE IS GUN CONTROL OR THE ONLY THING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS THIS.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MYRIAD OF REASONS GOING BACK TO THE POINT OF WHAT POSSESSES A HUMAN BEING TO GET A GUN -- LET'S SAY YOU DID IT COMPLETELY LEGALLY WITH ALL KINDS OF RULES, FOLLOWED ALL THE RULES.

WHAT POSSESSES YOU, WHAT IN OUR SOCIETY NOW MAKES IT SEEM TO BE OKAY TO WALK INTO A SCHOOL AND KILL CHILDREN?

>> WELL, THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THAT, JOE, IS HUMANS ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE COMPLEX CREATURES AND THE SIMPLISTIC SOLUTION IS SOMETIMES THE ONLY THING.

LIKE NOT HAVING ASSAULT WEAPONS IN THE HANDS OF CIVILIANS WOULD BE A BIG START TO ME.

>> EXACTLY.

>> WELL THEN WHY -- GO AHEAD.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY TWO THINGS.

ONE, IT IS NOT A PARTISAN POINT THAT THERE ARE 120 GUNS IN THIS COUNTRY, FIREARMS, FOR EVERY 100 PEOPLE.

AND THERE'S NO OTHER COUNTRY LIKE IT IN THE WORLD AND THERE'S NO OTHER COUNTRY THAT HAS THE KIND OF CONSISTENT MASS KILLINGS WE DO.

SO A BROAD SIMPLISTIC SOLUTION LIKE FEWER GUNS OR -- >> AND THE MASSIVE PERCENTAGE OF THOSE GUNS ARE NEVER USED IN A CRIME.

>> THAT'S FINE.

>> MOST OF THEM NEVER EVEN FIRED.

>> OKAY.

>> WHAT ABOUT SIMPLE SOLUTIONS LIKE REQUIRING ALL SCHOOLS TO HAVE THEIR DOORS LOCKED DURING SCHOOL.

>> KIRKWOOD WAS LOCKED IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.

>> BUT YOU HEAR ABOUT THAT -- >> ADAM LANZA CHANGED A LOT OF POLICIES BECAUSE HIS MOTHER WAS AN EMPLOYEE AT SANDY HOOK, SO HE HAD ACCESS.

THIS PARTICULAR GUNMAN MADE HIS WAY THROUGH AN OPEN DOOR.

HE ALSO MADE HIS WAY SHOULD AN OPEN DOOR, AND THE STORY OF THE SECURITY GUARDS, THAT IS ABOUT AS FLUID A STORY AS WE'VE EVER SEEN.

>> I THINK THERE'S A HANDFUL OF COMMON SENSE ONCE, INCLUDING GUN LEGISLATION, INCLUDING SECURITY MEASURES AT SCHOOLS, BUT WHAT WE GET IS A NATIONAL DISCUSSION THAT ONLY FOCUSES EITHER ON ONE OR THE OTHER.

AND THIS IS A COMPLEX PROBLEM ENOUGH WHERE ALL OF THESE THINGS NEED TO BE ON THE TABLE.

>> THEN COULD WE ALL -- FROM COLUMBINE TO THE GABBY GIFFORD SHOOTER TO AURORA TO SANDY HOOK TO PARKLAND TO UVALDE, THEY'RE ALL YOUNG MEN.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS A WHITE MAN.

HE WAS HISPANIC -- THE SHOOTER IN UVALDE, HISPANIC.

WHY, HOW ON GOD'S EARTH CAN AN 18-YEAR-OLD GET AN ASSAULT WEAPON?

HOW CAN THAT BE?

>> I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY -- PEOPLE SAY, OF COURSE, YOU CAN IN TEXAS, BUT I THINK YOU PROBABLY COULD IN MOST STATES IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

>> WELL, THAT'S THE PROBLEM RIGHT THERE.

>> I WILL AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.

OKAY, SO I'M AN ATHLETE I'M ON A FULBRIGHT SCHOLARSHIP AND I CAN GET A NAME AND LIKENESS AT DARTMOUTH AND MAKE MONEY, BUT NOW UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI IS ONE OF THE FIRST TO DO THIS.

ATHLETES THERE CAN NOW BE PAID FOR GOOD GRADES.

SUPREME COURT RULED ON IT.

JOE, I THINK THAT'S A BRIDGE TOO FAR.

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I THINK COLLEGE ATHLETES FOR THESE MAJOR SPORTS, UNTIL THEY COME TO THEIR SENSES AND FORM UNIONS AND START GETTING REAL MONEY FOR THE DOUBLE REAL MONEY THEY'RE MAKING FOR THESE UNIVERSITIES, PAY THEM FOR THEIR GRADES, PAY THEM FOR KEEPING THEIR SHOES AND THEIR UNIFORM CLEAN, PAY THEM FOR THEIR IMAGE AND LIKENESSES.

I MEAN, COLLEGES HAVE BEEN MAKING MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OFF ATHLETES FOR DECADES.

SO THE IDEA THAT AN ATHLETE CAN GET SOME FORGETTING GOOD GRADES, I'M SAYING ANY WAY THAT A COLLEGE ATHLETE CAN GET FADE WHILE THEY'RE FILLING THE -- GET PAID WHILE THEY'RE FILLING THE STANDS AND MAKING ALL THIS POINT FOR COLLEGES, I'M ALL FOR IT.

I WOULDN'T PAY THEM FOR C'S, BECAUSE THAT -- NO, I'M FOR ANY WAY THESE COLLEGE ATHLETES GET PAID AND I'M SERIOUS WHEN I SAY I WISH THEY WOULD START A UNION OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYERS, COLLEGE BASKETBALL PLAYERS, AND GET ACTUALLY SERIOUS PAY TO BE COMPENSATED FOR WHAT THEY EARN FOR THESE SCHOOLS.

>> WELL, JUSTICE KAVANAUGH SAID THAT WHAT THE NCAA HAS GOTTEN AWAY WITH FOR SO MANY YEARS WOULD FLATLY BE CRIMINAL IN ANY OTHER INDUSTRY.

BUT THIS WHOLE DOUBLE, DOUBLE COMPENSATION THING, THAT MAKES ME NERVOUS.

>> WELL, FIRST, LEAVE IT TO KAVANAUGH FOR THESE CRAZY LIBERAL IDEAS.

>> RIGHT.

>> YOU GO BACK TO WHERE IT ALL STARTED AND HAVE STUDENT ATHLETES AND HAVE IT LIKE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY OR UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO AND -- I MEAN, THE GAMES WOULD STILL BE EXCITING AND THE KIDS WHO WANT TO BE PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES COULD HAVE THEIR UNION AND HAVE A MINOR LEAGUE.

>> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, AND I -- OF COURSE, I HAVE A CONFLICT BECAUSE -- >> YOU THINK I'M RIGHT?

THANK YOU, RAY.

>> YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT AND I LIKE THE WAY YOU SAID IT.

ACTUALLY, I FEEL A LITTLE CONFLICTED BECAUSE HAD THIS BEEN THERE WHEN I WENT TO COLLEGE, I THINK I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE PLAYED BASKETBALL.

MAYBE.

IN MY CASE, I WOULDN'T HAVE MADE ANY MONEY ON THE GRADES, DEPENDING ON WHAT GRADES THEY'RE PAYING FOR.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA PIPS VERY -- I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH THE ATHLETES MAKING MONEY, DON'T MISUNDERSTAND.

I STILL THINK THERE SHOULD BE A SALARY CAP ON COACHES AND ATHLETIC DIRECTORS SO THEY CONDITION MAKE THESE HIDEOUS SUMS ON THE BACKS OF THE ATHLETES.

I'M FINE WITH MOVING INTO THIS -- THE LIKENESS THING AND THE ADVERTISING, BUT IT'S VERY UNFAIR TO THE OTHER STUDENTS, I THINK, SERIOUSLY, THAT ARE THERE, YOU KNOW, NOT GETTING PAID FOR THEIR GRADES.

AND I JUST DON'T -- I DON'T THINK THAT IS -- >> OF COURSE, THEY'RE NOT BRINGING IN MONEY TO THE UNIVERSITY.

>> THAT'S TRUE, I HEAR YOU, BUT I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO BE AGREEING WITH JUSTICE "I LIKE BEER."

>> THAT'S ONE THING -- >> I LOVE YOUR PAIN, BY THE WAY.

>> OH MY GOSH, I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH THIS GUY.

BUT I THINK GRADES ARE TOO MUCH BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, I DON'T THINK ALL STUDENTS ARE -- YOU KNOW, CAN REAP THIS REWARD.

AND IT IS LIMITED.

YOU CAN ONLY MAKE SO MUCH OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE JUST GOING TO PAY YOU $100,000 FOR EVERY "A" YOU GET.

TOO, I'M NOT GOING TO LIE TO YOU, MOST ATHLETES TAKE COURSES THAT AREN'T ENGINEERING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I'M NOT BEING MEAN, THAT'S JUST A REALITY.

AND OKAY, LASTLY, I GOT PAID AND I WORKED FOR THE FOOTBALL TEAM DURING MY TIME IN COLLEGE.

I MADE MORE MONEY THAN ANY GUY ON THE FOOTBALL TEAM.

NOW, THEY HAD A FULL-RIDE SCHOLARSHIP AND THEY ATE FOR FREE AND ALL THAT, BUT I GOT PAID MONEY AND THEY DID NOT AND SOMETHING DID NEED TO BE DONE.

>> BUT YOU WERE PAID FOR GRADES?

>> YOU'RE BASICALLY JUST SAYING YOU WERE SMARTER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE.

>> I DIDN'T NEED ATHLETES, COME ON.

>> DID THEY PAY YOU FOR YOUR GRADES THOUGH?

>> NO, PLEASE.

I PAID THEM FOR MY GRADES.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> HONESTLY, I AGREE IN A WONDERFUL IDEALISTIC WORLD, I SORT OF AGREE WITH YOU, BUT THE IDEA OF COLLEGE SPORTS BEING THE SCHOLAR ATHLETE, THAT'S DONE.

FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL, AND NOW EVEN MAJOR COLLEGE BASEBALL, THEY ARE MINOR LEAGUES FOR THE PROFESSIONALS.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

>> NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

>> SO LET'S PAY THEM ACCORDINGLY.

LET'S PAY THEM ACCORDING.

>> OKAY.

NOTHING MINOR LEAGUE ABOUT POLITICS IN ST. LOUIS AND ST. LOUIS COUNTY.

JANE DUEKER IS RUNNING FOR COUNTY EXECUTIVE.

SHE'S WON AN ENDORSEMENT, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT WAS WITHDRAWN.

IT WAS A WOMEN'S ORGANIZATION.

I'M SORRY, I'M DRAWING A BLANK ON WHAT IT WAS, BUT IT WAS WITHDRAWN.

WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?

>> NATIONAL WOMEN'S POLITICAL CAUCUS AND THEY WERE FOUNDED IN 1971 TO SUPPORT WOMEN CANDIDATES, AS LONG AS THOSE WOMEN CANDIDATES HADN'T TAKEN ON THE MAYOR OF ST. LOUIS AND THE -- THE ACTIVE COUNTY EXECUTIVE, RIGHT?

AND JANE DUEKER, SHE PLAYS HARD BALL.

SHE IS AN ATTORNEY FOR THE POLICE UNION.

SHE IS VERY WELL KNOWN.

SHE DOES NOT MINCE WORDS, SO SHE'S PROBABLY NOT SURPRISED BY THIS, BUT IT IS DISAPPOINTING BECAUSE SHE -- I MEAN, WE ARE SUPPORTING WOMEN CANDIDATES UNTIL THEY CROSS THE PATH OF THE MALE CANDIDATES OR THE MALE COUNTY EXECUTIVE, AND THAT -- TO ME, THAT IS SAD.

>> I THINK IT'S A ST. LOUIS STORY IN THAT CERTAIN PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN CAN MAKE CERTAIN PHONE CALLS AND WHETHER IT'S TO A NEWSPAPER OR OTHER MEDIUM OR WHETHER IT'S TO AN ORGANIZATION LIKE THIS ONE, THEY PUSH THIS BUTTON AND THAT BUTTON AND THAT BUTTON -- >> AND SUDDENLY -- >> I WOULD HAVE LIKE THE NATIONAL -- >> NATIONAL WOMEN'S POLITICAL CAUCUS.

>> TO EXPLAIN WHAT CHANGED ABOUT JANE DUECKER.

>> LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING THAT I THINK ANYTIME YOU HAVE THESE BLANKET ENDORSEMENTS, WHETHER IT'S FOR BLACK OFFICIALS OR CHINESE OFFICIALS OR WHITE MALE PROTEST TAN OFFICIALS AND IT'S A BLANKET THING, YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO PROBLEMS WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, SHOULD YOU REALLY BE ENDORSING THIS PERSON.

AND I THINK THAT JANE DUECKER HAS RUN INTO THAT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A ST. LOUIS THING AND I THINK THAT THE NATIONAL POLITICAL WOMEN'S CAUCUS OUGHT TO RETHINK THIS "WE'LL SUPPORT ANY WOMAN" THEORY.

>> I WAS GOING TO MENTION THE AFRICAN AMERICAN ASPECT, BUT I WILL SAY THAT THEY DID EXPLAIN THAT JANE HAD CAST SOME VOTES AND HAD SOME STANCE THAT PROBABLY A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ORGANIZATION PROBABLY DIDN'T AGREE WITH.

I WOULD SAY ON THE FRONT END, MAYBE THEY DIDN'T DO ENOUGH OF THEIR HOMEWORK ON WHO IT WAS EXACTLY -- >> SO IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE REALLY HERE TO PROMOTE WOMEN IN POLITICS.

IT'S WOMEN WHO THINK A CERTAIN WAY.

>> WOMEN WHO AGREE WITH US.

>> SHOWS YOU WHAT THE POLITICAL -- [ ALL TALKING AT ONCE ] >> WAIT, WAIT.

>> CAN I USE AN EXAMPLE?

>> PLEASE DO.

>> NOT AN ELECTED.

AT THE TIME, IF YOU ASKED A BLACK PERSON WHAT THEY THOUGHT ABOUT CLARENCE THOMAS BEING ON THE SUPREME COURT, THEY WOULD HAVE SAID I'M ALL FOR ANY BROTHER DOING ANYTHING.

HINDSIGHT, WE TAKE ANY NATIONALITY, WHATEVER TO, REPLACE HIM.

OKAY, SO I THINK YOU RUN INTO TROUBLE WHEN YOU SAY, HEY, WE'RE JUST BACKING PEOPLE -- >> AND I DON'T THINK THE WOMEN -- I THINK WE'RE MISREPRESENTING THEM A LITTLE BIT TO SAY THAT ALL THEY'LL SUPPORT IS WOMEN.

THAT'S NOT TRUE.

AND YES, THEY ARE FOR EXAMPLE PRO CHOICE, SO THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO THEIR BROADER RANGE OF VIEWS.

MY POINT IS IF YOU PUT AN ENDORSEMENT OUT THERE, THE IDEA YOU'RE GOING TO WALK IT BACK WHEN YOU GET SOME HEAT IS KIND OF RIDICULOUS.

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE HEAT.

THE HEAT CAME FROM A FORMER CAMPAIGN WORKER FOR SAM PAGE AND A COUNTY COUNCIL PERSON WHO HAS FEUDED WITH JANE DUECKER.

>> CORRECT.

>> SO THEY'RE GOING TO TURN IN THEIR ENDORSEMENT.

LET'S PRESSURE THEM.

>> NO, I AGREE.

>> THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER OR NOT VOTERS WILL BELIEVE JANE DUECKER OR SAM PAGE WOULD MAKE A BETTER COUNTY EXECUTIVE.

THIS IS ABOUT PARTISANS, POLITICAL PRESSURE BEING APPLIED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET THE ENDORSEMENT.

>> I AGREE WITH THAT.

>> THE PROBLEM THAT SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE A WITH FEMINISM.

A WOMAN CAN BE ANYTHING SHE WANTS TO BE AS LONG AS SHE DOES IT THE WAY WE BELIEVE SHE SHOULD.

>> WHAT IF YOU'RE THE NATIONAL WOMEN'S POLITICAL CAUCUS AND PHYLLIS SCHAFLY ANNOUNCES SHE'S GOING TO RUN FOR SOMETHING AND SHE'S AGAINST THE ERA AND AGAINST -- DO YOU HAVE TO ENDORSE PHYLLIS?

>> YOU DON'T ENDORSE HER AND THEN WALK IT BACK.

IT'S LIKE ALVIN SAID A LITTLE BIT WEARS OFF A LITTLE WILL THIS IS LIKE WHEN PATRICIA IRL WAS THE HEAD OF THE NATIONAL WOMEN'S ORGANIZATION AND BILL CLINTON WAS HAVING HIS ME TOO TSUNAMI, SHE HAD TO STAND BEHIND HIM.

THINGS DON'T LINE UP THE THEY WAY SHOULD.

>> I AGREE.

ANOTHER RACE, SENATORIAL.

ERIC GREITENS, SOME POLLS SAY HE'S IN THE LEAD, BUT IT'S A THREE-PONY RACE I GUESS I WANT TO SAY.

RAY, A LOT OF TIME BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST.

WHERE DO YOU THINK IT'S GOING?

>> I THINK ANYBODY THAT PAID ANY ATTENTION TO RECENT ELECTION CYCLES KNOWS BETTER THAN TO TRUST POLLS.

I MEAN JUST ON THE FACE OF IT.

THIS ONE, THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN, I THINK A THREE-WAY RACE.

BILLY LONG WAS HOPING TO GET IN WITH TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENT.

FIRST OF ALL, IF TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENT AS WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER STATES NECESSARILY IS REALLY THAT DETERMINATIVE.

I SUSPECT IT WOULD HELP MORE IN MISSOURI THAN IT WOULD IN PENNSYLVANIA OR SOME OTHER STATES, BUT AT THIS POINT, IT'S BETWEEN ERIC GREITENS, DISGRACED GOVERNOR ERIC GREITENS, HIS FULL TITLE, AND WHOEVER THE ACTOR FORMER KNOWN AS ERIC SCHMITT IN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, AND THEN VICKY HARTZLER WHO IS A VERY SOCIALLY CONSERVATIVE CONGRESS PERSON FROM THE WESTERN PART OF THE STATE.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S EASY TO PREDICT.

I THINK THE ONLY INTERESTING DYNAMIC IS WHETHER -- I CAN'T IMAGINE VICKY HARTZLER GETTING OUT AT THIS POINT.

SHE'S GIVEN UP HER CONGRESSIONAL SEAT.

I THINK SHE'S IN IT.

ERIC SCHMITT HAS A SAFE SEAT AND HE'S THE ONLY PERSON I COULD SEE BLINKING.

IN THEY DON'T IN THAT THREE-WAY RACE, I THINK YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER ERIC GREITENS STILL THE FAVORITE.

>> I THINK SO, TOO, AND THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THAT IS THE GUY WHO IS MOST AGAINST ERIC GREITENS IS JOSH HAWLEY.

I MEAN, HE'S BEEN SO AGAINST HIM BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ROOM FOR ONE MAGA SENATOR IN MISSOURI AND JOSH HAWLEY DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE THE SPOTLIGHT SHINING ON ERIC GREITENS.

>> EXACTLY.

I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

PLUS -- YEAH.

AND HE HAS ENDORSED -- IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE TED CRUZ HAS ENDORSED SCHMITT AND HAWLEY HAS -- >> HAWLEY SAID GREITENS SHOULD GO TO JAIL, REMEMBER THAT?

A MAN WHO HITS A WOMAN BELONGS IN PRISON, NOT IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE.

>> I THINK THAT WILL BE ON SOMEBODY'S AD IF I WERE RUNNING THEIR CAMPAIGN.

>> I DO BELIEVE THAT GREITENS VERY WELL CAN END UP THIRD OUT OF THREE AS TIME GOES ON, AND I THINK RAY CORRECTLY POINTED TO THE FACT THAT TI REMEMBER A YEAR AGO, I KNEW PEOPLE WHO WERE GOING, I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF TRUMP WASN'T THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.

I'M LIKE, 2024 IS A LONG TIME FROM NOW, AND PRETTY MUCH YOU'RE GOING TO WEAR YOURSELF OUT.

I THINK WE SAW A LITTLE BIT OF THAT IN PENNSYLVANIA, SAW IT IN GEORGIA.

>> GEORGIA.

>> IN GEORGIA WHERE KEMP PETE -- KEMP BEAT PERDUE.

SO ALREADY WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE, PEOPLE ARE LIKE, I MISS TRUMP, I MISS TRUMP, AND IT'S A GOOD THING TO SAY TO AGGRAVATE LIBERALS, BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO WHO CAN WIN, IT SEEMS LIKE TRUMP IS LOSING HIS SUPPORT AND WHEN IT COMES TO AUGUST, THE PARTY PEOPLE I THINK ARE FINALLY GOING TO PRESS THE WE'RE DONE WITH TRUMP, LET'S GET ON TO WINNING AN ELECTION.

>> I THINK TRUMP COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE STILL IF HE DID AN ENDORSEMENT -- >> HE MADE ONE IN GEORGIA.

>> DONALD TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENTS ARE ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AND A BIG PART OF HIS CAL CULL US WILL MORE THAN IN THE -- CALCULUS MORE THAN IN THE PAST, UNLESS HE HAS A PARTICULARLY GRUDGE TO SETTLE, IS WHO'S GOING TO WIN.

IT'S REALLY HARD FOR HIM TO ACHE WINNER OUT OF THOSE THREE AND HIS SON'S, I GUESS GIRLFRIEND, WHOEVER THEY ARE, KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE IS WITH GREITENS.

>> SHE WAS.

I DON'T KNOW -- >> THEY'RE RUNNING THAT CAMPAIGN AD WHERE DONALD TRUMP JR. AND ERIC GREITENS ARE BLASTING AWAY WITH THEIR PISTOLS AND SAYING, THIS WILL SCARE RINOs AND LIBERALS.

>> THEY ALL GO TO MAR-A-LAGO TO KISS THE RING, AND I DON'T KNOW.

>> I STILL THINK IT'S GOING TO BE SCHMITT.

>> YOU MENTIONED THE PARTY.

THE PARTY IN MISSOURI DOES NOT WANT ERIC GREITENS TO RUN FOR THAT SEAT AND I THINK THEY COULD GET ACROSS TO MR. SCHMITT BECAUSE HE DOES HAVE A SEAT AND THEY COULD SAY, LOOK, SOMEBODY'S GOT TO BE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF MISSOURI, IT MAY AS WELL BE YOU.

>> NO, SCHMITT WAS AIMING AT THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND HE WAS LOOKING FOR A BIG SHOWDOWN AGAINST JAY ASHCROFT, AND I THINK WHEN ERIC SCHMITT DECIDED HE WAS GOING TO THROW HIS HAT INTO THE RING FOR THE SENATE, HE'S GIVEN UP THE GUBERNATORIAL AMBITIONS.

>> WELL, WHO I THINK IS THE BEST CANDIDATE, ASHCROFT AND KEO -- >> NOT TO JUMP AHEAD, BUT I THINK IF ERIC SCHMITT SAID TOMORROW, FOR THE GOOD OF THE PARTY AND THE GFT GOOD OF THE STATE, I'M GOING TO DROP OUT BECAUSE I THINK THE TWO OF US, JUST LIKE WHEN TISHAURA RAN WHAT WOULD BE FIVE YEARS AGO, YOU HAD TOO MANY CANDIDATES AND THEY SPLIT UP THE VOTE, AND LYDA KREWSON WON.

OKAY?

I THINK IT'S -- THAT COULD HAPPEN.

IF JAKE ZIMMERMAN OR MANTOVANI HAD GOT OUT OF THE RACE TOGETHER, THEY HAD MORE VOTES THAN SAM PAGE.

>> POLITICIANS DON'T REALIZE THAT, REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS ESPECIALLY.

>> MAYBE REPRESENTATIVE HARTZLER WILL COME UP WITH THE ENDORSEMENT FROM THE NATIONAL WOMEN'S POLITICAL CAUCUS -- >> THE OTHER THING IS, EVEN -- ONCE YOU'VE GONE FAST THE -- GONE PAST THE POINT OF TAKING YOUR NAME OFF THE BALLOT, JUST THROWING YOUR SUPPORT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN PEOPLE WHO WERE GOING TO VOTE FOR YOU WILL VOTE FOR -- >> BUT THERE'S AN ENOUGH -- >> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S LEAVING.

>> YOU PUT THE PERCENTAGES TOGETHER, THAT MAPS WORKS OUT.

>> YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO RUN AGAINST NONE OF THE ABOVE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S DROPPING OUT.

>> I STILL LEAN TO,D I THINK SOMEBODY'S GOING TO DROP OUT.

WE'LL SEE.

WELL, THE CARDINALS SEE ON THEIR TWO-WAY RADIO RIGHT NOW.

THEY'RE ONE OF THOSE TEAMS THAT SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO ZPO TO THE ELECTRONIC RELY PITCH TO THE CATCHER WHO GIVES IT TO THE PITCHER.

BUS NOW THE BACKUP CATCHER, THEY HAVE THE DEVICE, IT SPEEDS UP THE GAME.

ONE THE REASONS THEY'RE GOING TO IT IS BECAUSE OF ALL THE SIGN STEALING.

I PUT IT OUT THERE THAT I DON'T CARE IF IT SPEEDS UP THE GAME.

I'M READY FOR A PITCH CLOCK.

I'M READY FOR ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO SPEED UP A GAME.

I WENT TO THE GAME TUESDAY NIGHT.

I LEFT AT 9:00.

PART OF THAT WAS BECAUSE TORONTO WAS JUST BEATING THE HECK OUT CARDINALS AND IT WAS 9:00 AND THEY WERE IN THE SIXTH INNING AND I HAD A PAPER TO PUT OUT THE NEXT DAY CIRCLES -- SO I LEFT.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY.

BASEBALL IS KILLING ITSELF ON THE LENGTH OF GAMES.

I LOVE TO HEARKEN BACK TO THE OLD DAYS OF BASEBALL.

I DO NOT LIKE THE DH, BUT WHEN I HEARKEN BACK TO THE OLD DAYS OF BASEBALL, I REMEMBER GAMES LASTED TWO HOURS.

TWO HOURS AND 15 MINUTES.

TWO AND A HALF WAS A LONG TIME.

AND NOW YOU CAN'T PLAY A GAME UNDER THREE HOURS.

AND WHEN I TALK TO MY SON, PEOPLE HIS AGE, I ASK HIM YOU DON'T WATCH BASEBALL, TOO SLOW, TOO SLOW.

>> IT TAKES TOO LONG.

>> I THINK, NO, YOU'RE NOT APPRECIATING IT AND I WATCH IT AND OH MY GOODNESS, I GO TO DVR AND TUNE IN AN HOUR AND A HALF LATER SO I CAN PAST FORWARD THROUGH THE BATTER GETTING OUT OF THE BOX AFTER EVERY SINGLE PITCH.

IT'S LIKE THREE HOURS AND 15 MINUTES FOR AN AVERAGE GAME, AN AVERAGE NINE-INNING GAME.

THAT WAS A 12-INNING GAME WHEN I WAS A KID.

>> I HATE TO SOUND AS NAIVE AS I AM ON THIS, BUT OBVIOUSLY I'M NOFT THE SPORTSAHOLIC HERE.

IS IT JUST TO INCREASE THE COMMERCIAL SPOT LOAD?

>> WELL, THAT'S PART OF IT.

THAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT PUSHED THE LENGTH OF GAMES.

THEY CAN TAKE OUT A COUPLE OF COMMERCIALS.

>> THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF I CALL MYSELF OLD SCHOOL JUST AS MUCH AS OLD -- >> YOU'RE 70.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, RAY!

70 THIS WEEK.

>> THAT WAS A MISTAKE.

>> YOU WALKED RIGHT INTO THAT.

>> GOING TO A CUBS GAME IS LIKE AN ETERNITY, BUT WHERE ARE YOU AT ON THIS?

>> WHERE I'M ON THIS IS LIKE 1955.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I LIKE THE SHORT GAMES.

I DON'T LIKE FREE AGENCY.

I LIKE BEING ABLE TO REMEMBER WHO'S ON WHAT TEAM.

ERNIE BANKS WAS A CUB, STAN MUSIAL WAS A CARDINAL, AARON WAS A BRAVE.

>> I'M ALL FOR SPEEDING THE GAME UP, BUT -- >> NO, NO, IT'S WORKING.

MINOR LEAGUES ARE DOING IT AND THEIR GAMES ARE 15 MINUTES SHORTER.

THAT AND THEY HAVE A PITCH CLOCK -- >> WELL, I THINK IT'S -- LOOK, IT'S FINE.

I DON'T REALLY CARE, BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S OTHER STUFF THEY CAN DO.

>> GOT TO RUN TO THE LETTERS.

DON'T DO THE CRIME IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME.

STEALING A MULTI-THOUSAND-DOLLAR VEHICLE IS MORE THAN A NUISANCE.

GET THEM NOW BEFORE THE CRIMES TURN VIOLENT.

LIKE RAY SAID, FIRST TIME OFFENDER PROBABLY GET AND DEAL.

MY NIECE IS IN CHILDCARE IN ST. ANN SCHOOL IN THE NORMANDY SCHOOL DISTRICT.

I'M A PROUD GRADUATE OF NORMANDY HIGH SCHOOL AND I'M PROUD OF ALL THE TEACHERS IN THE DISTRICT.

THAT'S A NICE NOTE FROM ANNIE MARIE BERRY.

YOU CAN WRITE IT AT DONNYBROOK, CARE OF NINE PBS, 3655 OLIVE STREET, ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI 63108.

SEND US AN EMAIL TO DONNYBROOK@NINEPBS.ORG.

#DONNYBROOKSTL FOR YOUR TWEETS.

AND PICK YOUR PODCAST OF CHOICE AND YOU CAN FIND US THERE.

WE WANT TO THANK JOE HOLLEMAN FOR BEING WITH US TONIGHT.

WE DO APPRECIATE IT.

>> APPRECIATE IT.

>> WE WILL SEE YOU SOON AND BILL AND I WILL BE BACK WITH -- I ALMOST CALL IT YOUR TURN.

WITH NEXT UP.

ALL RIGHT, SO JOIN US THEN.

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN, JOE, AND YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

>> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORT OF THE BETSY AND THOMAS PATTERSON FOUNDATION AND THE MEMBERS OF NINE PBS.