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BILL AND ELVIN WILL TALK ABOUT BIKE AND ROAD SAFETY.

WE COULD SURE USE THAT IN THESE PARTS.

>> LET'S START WITH WENDY WIESE FROM KT RS, BILL MCCLELLAN.

AND RAY HARTMANN AND FROM THE ST. LOUIS AMERICAN, ALVIN REID.

>> RAY, WE'LL START WITH YOU.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE JANA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND LAST WEEK AT THIS TIME THERE WERE TWO STUDIES PUT IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL BOARD, OUT OF MASSACHUSETTS, FROM ONE ORGANIZATION, BOSTON DATA CONTROL.

INDICATED THAT THE LEVELS OF RADIATION WERE SO HAZARDOUS THAT THE FACULTY AND STAFF HAD TO LEAVE.

AND THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERING SAYS THE LEVELS ARE QUITE SAFE.

WE HAVE A THIRD STUDY OUT OF ST. CHARLES.

IF YOU ARE TAKING OUT OF THREE, ANY WAY, SC I SAYS THE SCHOOL IS SAFE IT IS MINIMUM, AND FACULTY AND STAFF CAN GO IN THERE.

AND JESSICA, ONE OF THE SCIENTISTS, SAYS YES, SHE WOULD SEND HER CHILD TO THAT SCHOOL.

>> IT IS NICE IF THE CONTRACTOR CAME FROM THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.

I DON'T CONSIDER THAT TWO OUT OF THREE.

NO WAY WOULD MY KID, WE ARE NOT IN THAT SPOT NOW, I WOULDN'T SEND MY KID THERE.

AND I THOUGHT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS PUT IN A DIFFICULT SPOT.

MADE THE RIGHT CALL PROMPTLY.

AND ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS MAY BE A LOT OF THINGS, CREDIBLE ON THIS SUBJECT, OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, CREDIT ON THIS SUBJECT WITH THE WAY THE RADIOACTIVE WASTE IS BY FAR AND AWAY THE WORSE ENVIRONMENT TRAGEDY IN THIS TOWN.

I GIVE ZERO CREDIBILITY.

>> IT IS THE OXMORON A CREDIBLE LEVEL.

A SAFE LEVEL.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING.

>> MY TAKE IS THIS; IT IS ONE THING, YOU ARE OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE AND SOMEONE SAYS HEY, WE HAVE RADIOACTIVE AND PEOPLE CAME OUT TO WHERE YOU WERE AND SAID WE CAN'T FIND IT.

WHERE DID IT COME FROM?

IN THIS CASE, WHERE DID IT COME FROM?

DOWN THE ROAD THERE.

[LAUGHTER.]

>> THE CREEK.

>> THE CREEK.

RIGHT!

IT IS CONTAMINATED.

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG.

>> I THINK THE STATE SHOULD HELP OUT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, NOBODY WANTS TO SEND THEIR KIDS TO THIS SCHOOL AND I DON'T BLAME THEM.

THEY NEED A NEW SCHOOL.

THE HASELWOOD SCHOOL DISTRICT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT, THE STATE, THE FED SHOULD STEP UP AND HELP THESE PEOPLE AND GET A NEW SCHOOL.

IT IS CRAZY.

>> IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT THE TWO STUDIES ARE CORRECT?

>> SURE, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY.

>> IF THAT'S THE CASE -- I TRUST THE WORKING PEOPLE AT THE ARMY AND ENGINEERS AND THIS COMPANY, SCI.

BUT I WAS LOOKING AT INSTANCES OF WHERE THEY LIED ABOUT THE LEVELS AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT.

GET A BLUE RIBBON PANEL, AND FLY IN A GUY NAMED CHARLESTON NAPIER, I THINK HE IS THE TOP -- CHARLES.

I THINK HE IS THE TOP IN RADIATION.

AND MAKE A DECISION.

THE PEOPLE ON THE SCHOOL BOARD CAN'T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS.

>> THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STUDENTS IN THAT SCHOOL DISTRICT.

AND BECAUSE OF WHERE THE SCHOOL IS, OBVIOUSLY, THERE COULD BE RADIATION INVOLVED.

WHERE IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT?

IF THIS HAPPENED SOMEBODY ELSE, IF SOMEONE HAD A BOLT THE RADIO ACTIVITY ON IT AND THEY WALKED THROUGH AND IT POPPED -- >> BUT -- >> LET ME FINISH.THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE IS LASTING RADIATION, THERE WOULD BE NO CONVERSATION.

>> THESE TWO STUDIES SHOW THE RADIATION LEVELS -- THEY DIDN'T FIND RADIOACTIVE WASTE THERE.

IT IS THE SAME YOU WOULD FIND IN NATURE.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE ARE EXPOSED TO RADIATION.

YOU GET AN X-RAY AND YOU ARE EXPOSED.

>> I DON'T SPEND 8 HOURS AT A DESK UNDER AN X-RAY MACHINE AT THE DENTIST.

>> BUT YOU HAVE IT IN NATURE.

>> THEY ARE NOT FINDING RADIOACTIVE WASTE THERE.

>> THEY HAD A STUDY, CHARLIE, RADIATION AT A DANGEROUS LEVEL.

>> OKAY.

>> IT IS HARD TO HAVE PEOPLE TRUST THE GOVERNMENT.

THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

>> THAT STUDY CAME FROM THE PLAINTIFF'S ATTORNEY.

THERE IS A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE THERE.

>> I MEAN -- >> THERE ARE FINANCIAL INCENTIVES EVERYWHERE.

>> THERE WAS LEAD 210 THEY FOUND.

THERE IS LEAD 210 IN EVERYONE'S DRIVEWAY.

>> IF THERE WAS LEAD 210 IN THIS TABLE, WE WOULD GET A NEW TABLE!

>> WHAT IF WE HAD A SEPARATE STUDY, NAME THE SCHOOL DISTRICT YOU WANT, IF THEY FIND THE SAME LEVEL OF RAD REGISTRATION, WOULD YOU SHUT DOWN THE SCHOOLS OR ALLOW THEM TO GO TO SCHOOL?

>> CHARLIE, I TELL YOU WHAT, PERCEPTION IS REALITY SPEAKING FOR THE 8 KIDS REPRESENTED HERE.

THEY WOULDN'T BE GONE.

I DON'T CARE IF YOU DUG UP ALBERT EINSTEIN.

I THINK THE CORPS COULD BE INTERESTED IN AND FRANKLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, WHEN IS REOPENING THE SCHOOL, IS THERE IMPACT GOING BACKWARDS IN TERMS OF THE TEACHERS AND THE STUDENTS WHO WENT THERE, NEXT TO A CREEK THAT WAS CONTAMINATED.

REMEMBER, THE REASON WHY WE KNOW ABOUT THE CREEK'S HEALTH EFFECT, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE AT THE 20-YEAR REUNI REUNION, AT MCCORD, THEY STARTED NOTICING AT 20 YEARS OUT, SO MANY WERE SICK AND DIEING.

THAT'S HOW YOU FOUND OUT.

I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO WENT THERE.

THINGS HAVE TO MOVE ON.

>>AL, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT AARON WHO RUNS A MARKETING IN DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS, OR DID ANY WAY, ANNOUNCED IN LINKEDIN WHO IS MOVING OUT OF ST. LOUIS BECAUSE OF CRIME.

TWO OF HIS EMPLOYEES HAD THEIR CARS BROKEN INTO.

THERE WERE 300 CAR THEFTS AND 6 IN UNINCORPORATED ST. CHARLES COMPANY AND SMASH AND GRABS ACCORDING TO THE RIVER FRONT TIMES.

HERE IS A BUSINESS OWNER WHO IS JOINING OTHER BUSINESSES MOVING OUT OF DOWNTOWN.

IS THIS YET ANOTHER WAKE UP CALL FOR OFFICIALS?

>> NOT ALL OF THE COMPANIES ARE LEAVING BECAUSE OF CRIME.

I DON'T THINK SOME ARE LEAVING BECAUSE OF CRIME.

IT IS NOT FAIR TO LUMP THEM INTO THAT CATEGORY.

IF I HAD A BUSINESS AND A CONCERN, MOVING ON LINKEDIN, YOU WERE PROBABLY MOVING ANY WAY.

YEAH, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.

LET'S DECIDE ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE AND DO IT.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO CLEAN UP WASHINGTON AVENUE, MEMPHIS AND OTHERS, ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME IN OVER THE WEEKEND, NOT CITY -- EVERYONE COMES INTO PLAY.

I AM NOT GOING TO LEND MY POLICE OFFICERS.

I DON'T WANT THEM TO HELP THEM.

I DON'T LIKE THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS.

WE HAVE OVERCOME STIGMAS IN WASHINGTON AVENUE AND DOWNTOWN THAT DON'T HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH DOWNTOWN.

THERE IS AXES TO GROUND ON WHO THE MAYOR.

THEY WANT TO TAKE IT OUT ON THE MAYOR.

IT IS ALL HER FAULT.

ALL OF THIS TALK WOULD CALM DOWN A NOTCH.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF I DON'T LIKE THE MAYOR, SO EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS CRIME-WISE IS HER FAULT AND WE WILL BLOW IT UP.

>> WITH THE CITY'S FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN FEMALE MAYOR, IF I AM THE HEAD OF THE CORPORATION AND UNEASY ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HOOK ME UP TO A POLYGRAPH.

I WON'T ENGAGE WITH JONES AND THE SOCIAL MEDIA WHO WOULD COME AFTER ME.

I WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.

>> I'M NOT BLAMING THE MAYOR, SHE INHERITED THIS.

AND THE OTHER MAYORS AS WELL.

>> WHEN I MOVED DOWNTOWN, THERE WAS A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC AND THE JEWELRY STORES.

A FEW YEARS AGO, I WOULD PARK AT THE NEWSPAPER FOR A GAME AND WALK BACK AND FORTH.

I WOULDN'T DO THAT NOW.

WITHOUT BLAMING THE CURRENT MAYOR, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.

>> IT IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

THE ONE THING THAT ISN'T NEED IS JONES OR DAN TO GET A WAKE UP CALL.

THEY ARE DOING THEIR BEST.

I'M NOT SAYING THEIR BEST IS GOOD ENOUGH, BAD ENOUGH, WHATEVER.

I WISH, YOU KNOW, FROM HAVING REMEMBERED BEFORE THOSE DAYS, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WHEN I HAD THE RIVER FRONT TIMES DOWN THERE, DOWNTOWN WAS A SAFETY PLACE IN THE ENTIRE CITY.

NOW, YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT.

YOU HOPE IT CAN COME BACK AND I WISH I HAD THE ANSWER.

I DON'T THINK IT IS FAIR TO SAY, AND NORMALLY, WHEN A BUSINESS OWNER SAYS THIS IS WHY I'M LEAVING, WHEN PEOPLE ARE MOVING, GOING OUT OF BUSINESS, THEY CAN SAY WHAT THEY WANT.

AND THE CREDIBLY, HE IS MOVING TO GRAND CENTER.

HE IS NOT MOVING OUT OF THE AREA.

I SUSPECT HE IS SINCERE.

THE WORST THING, PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THIS, IF YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES, IT PUTS YOU IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT MINDSET.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR SAFETY.

>> IT IS HARD ENOUGH -- >> THAT PERCEPTION IS A REALITY.

I DON'T THINK THE POLITICAL CLASS APPRECIATES THAT.

>> IT IS A BAD SIGN WHEN THE DEPUTY IS CARJACKED AND HIS GUN IS STOLEN WHILE HE WAS IN HIS UNIFORM.

IT HAPPENED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

>> BILL, LET'S MOVE TO A COLUMN THAT YOU WROTE THIS PAST WEEK ON THE MODERATE DEMOCRATS MAY BE GOING THE WAY OF THE DO-DO BIRD AND GOING INSTINCT.

MODERATE THE GOP AS WE KNOW IT IS GOING INSTINCT.

MAYBE YOU COULD COMMENT ON THOSE.

>> THE MISSOURI MODERATES, I DON'T SEE MUCH HOPE FOR THEM.

I MENTIONED IN THE COLUMN, A CONSULTANT TOLD ME THAT ALL OF THE ENERGY IN THE LOCAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS IN THE YOUNG PROGRESSIVES, AND THAT THEY ARE IMPRESSIVE.

I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THE OLD MODERATES, YOUNG MODERATES EVEN, MAYBE JACK COATAR MAYBE.

AND TRUDY IS THE PERSON WE PUT OUT THERE AND THIS IDEA, WELL, YOU KNOW, SHOW ME MISSOURI.

SHOW ME TRUDY.

THAT WAS KIND OF THE CAMPAIGN THAT TRUDY WAS NICE.

IT DIDN'T WORK.

I THINK THAT THE REST OF THE COUNTRY, SOME MAY BE GETTING TIRED OF THE MAGASTUFF, BUT NOT MISSOURI.

>> OKAY, THESE ARE THE CANDIDATES THAT ARE RUNNING AND IN MY OPINION, AND RACES, BETTER THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE THEY ARE RUNNING AGAINST.

IT IS NOT LIKE YOU BAN ABANDONED BEING A MODERATE.

I'M JUST TRYING TO WIN ELECTIONS.

THAT'S YOUR BEST BET.

I DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY.

SO I DIDN'T VOTE THERE.

>> IT ALWAYS SWINGS AND ALL IT WILL TAKE IS THE RIGHT MODERATE.

>> I AGREE, I AGREE ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.

>> I DON'T KNOW.

>> I DISAGREE WITH THAT.

>> YOU DON'T THINK SO?

>> IT WAS A GREAT COLUMN.

>> THANK YOU, RAY.

>> I THINK THE DEMOCRATS HAD A TEMPLATE SHOWN TO THEM BY COATS AND THEY CHOOSE NOT TO DO IT.

THE INTERESTING THING TO ME ON THE REPUBLICAN'S SIDE, WE HAVE TO SEE WHO HE APPOINTS TO BE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

THINK ABOUT THE STEPPING STONE.

THE LAST TWO ATTORNEY GENERALS ARE SENATORS AND TWO ONES AGO GOT SLAPPED REAL HARD BY A JUDGE FOR VIOLATING THE SUNSHINE LAW.

KEEP IN MIND, TWO ATTORNEYS WAGON HAUL E -- ATTORNEY GENERAL, HAWLEY HAD HIS CAMPAIGN RUN THE OFFICE AND ERICK SCHMITT, THE GOVERNORS SAID DID YOU FORGET TO DO THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR?

IT IS INTERESTING.

>> I DIDN'T MEAN TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT.

>> THIS IS JUST ME.

OKAY?

THIS IS JUST ME.

I'M NOT EVEN ABOUT EVER RUNNING FOR OFFICE, OKAY.

I COULD HAVE DONE BETTER THAN TRUDY.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE MODERATE, IF THEY DECIDED THEY WANTED TO DO IT, THEY WOULD DO QUITE WELL.

I COULDN'T SAY THEY WOULD WIN IN MISSOURI.

PEOPLE COULD DO WELL IN POLITICS ARE DISGUSTED BY POLITICS AND DON'T WANT ANY PART OF IT.

PEOPLE WANT TO RUN AS REPUBLICANS WHO DON'T CARE WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO, BASICALLY, I AM THERE TO WIN THIS OFFICE.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT DEMOCRATS ARE HOLDING THEMSELVES TO HIGHER STANDARDS.

I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT COULD DO WELL WHO ARE DEMOCRATIC WANT ABSOLUTELY NO PART OF IT.

>> I MENTIONED IN COLUMN THAT, YOU KNOW, CLARA LOST TO JOSH HAWLEY, AND NICOLE LOST TO MIKE, CHRIS TO -- >> ERIC.

>> THEY ARE ALL POLITICIANS.

>> THEY ARE ALL PEOPLE WITH GOOD RESUMES.

>> I'M TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WITH IN RESUME.

BASICALLY WOULD -- >> HOLD THAT THOUGHT.

WE HAVE TO MOVE ON.

IT IS INTERESTING.

>> BUT THEY ARE FLAWED.

>> BILL I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT GOING TO KIRK WOOD.

KEVIN JOHNSON WAS CHARGED FOR THE MURDER OF THE SERGEANT, BILL, HE IS SCHEDULED TO BE PUT TO DEATH, THE TUESDAY AFTER THANKSGIVING.

HE DOES, HOWEVER, HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE BEHIND HIM, SAYING, HE GREW UP POOR, PROBABLY WAS ADDICTED AND ATE COCKROACHES AS A KID AND ABUSED BY AN AUNT.

HE WAS 19 YEARS OLD WHEN HE COMMITTED THE CRIME AND THE BRAIN ISN'T DEVELOPED UNTIL 25.

HE ADMITS THAT HE KILLED THE SERGEANT, SHOULD HE BE PUT TO DEATH?

>> I USED TO BE PRO-DEATH AND NOW I'M AGAINST IT.

THIS IS THE CASE FOR IT.

HE DIDN'T JUST SHOOT THE POLICE OFFICER, HE CAME BACK WHILE THE POLICE OFFICER WAS LAYING ON THE GROUND AND PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO HELP HIM AND SHOT HIM AGO.

AND THAT, I MEAN, THAT IS AN AWFULLY DIFFICULT THING TO GET AROUND.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE THE DEATH PENALTY, I THINK THIS IS THE CASE THAT MERITS IT.

>> I WAS LIKE YOU, FOR IT, AGAINST IT.

I WOULD BE AGAINST IT IN THIS CASE.

YOU KNOW, IT IS HORRIBLE.

THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A MURDER THAT IS NOT HORRIBLE.

IF YOU SCALE THIS -- FIRST OF ALL, OUR SYSTEM IS NOT CAPABLE OF GETTING THE RIGDNA RIGHT.

YOU LAY THIS AGAINST THE SCHOOL SHOOTERS AND OTHER CASES, EVERY CRIME IS HORRIFIC I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE DEATH PENALTY.

THAT'S MY OPINION.

>> JULY 5, 2005, WE ALL REMEMBER.

AND I KNOW, POLICE OFFICERS, THE CHIEF, ALL OF THEM, THERE'S PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE VIEW AND IN THE MIDDLE WHO ARE MODERATE ON IT.

LIKE MYSELF.

I WILL SAY THAT THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE WAS RACIALLY BIASED.

WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S ENOUGH.

THAT -- >> YES, IT IS.

>> THAT THE POSITION HAS TO BE EVACUATED.

>> IF YOU THINK KEVIN JOHN WAS A YOUNG, WHITE TEENAGER DID THE SAME THING -- >> A YOUNG WHITE TEENAGER DID THE SAME THING.

HE SHOT A POLICE OFFICER.

HE DIDN'T GET THE DEATH PENALTY.

THAT POLICE OFFICER'S FAMILY WAS IRATE ABOUT THAT.

YOU TELL ME ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE?

>> I THINK A LOT OF KIDS GROW UP POOR AND IN INHUMAN DE CONDITIONS.

>> I'M NOT EXCUSING THE CRIME.

>> I KNOW YOU ARE NOT.

>> WHY DIDN'T YOU PURSUE THE DEATH PENALTY FOR THIS YOUNG MAN?

BUT YOU DID FOR THE OTHER FOUR WERE BLACK PEOPLE.

ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON WITH THE EXECUTION AS SCHEDULED.

>> LET'S MOVE ON.

UNFORTUNATELY, ANOTHER SHOOTING THERE WAS A SHOOTING WOULD PEOPLE DIED AT THE PERFORMING VULNERABLE HIGH SCHOOL.

NOW THERE ARE STORIES ABOUT WHEN THE SCHOOL REOPEN.

ON THIS VERY PROGRAM, ON "NEXT UP", A BEHAVIORAL -- ACCORDING TO ALL OF THE RESEARCH HAS TO HAPPEN ASAP AND EVERYONE SHOULD GET BACK TO NORMAL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

AND PLACES LIKE ISRAEL, AFTER A TERRORIST ATTACK, THEY CLEAN UP AND THEY ARE OPENED UP THE NEXT MORNING.

HOW SOON SHOULD THE BOYS, GIRLS AND THE STAFF BE BACK TO SCHOOL.

>> I'M NOT AN EXPERT.

I REMEMBER JUST AS A CHILD WHENEVER THERE WAS A TRAUMA, IN THE CIRCLE OF THE FAMILY'S RELATIONSHIPS, WHEN THERE WAS SOMETHING TRAUMATIC, GET THEM BACK TO SCHOOL.

BECAUSE THE LONGER, I THINK A YOUNG MIND HAS TO THINK ABOUT THE TRAUMATIC EVENT, THE MORE IMPACT IT SEEMS TO -- MY UN-EXPERT BRAIN -- WOULD TAKE HOLD AND BECOME MORE OF AN ISSUE THAN IT WILL BE.

>> IT IS WHEN THE SCHOOLS SAY THEY ARE READY.

THERE IS A TIME TO DEFER.

IT IS IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS PERFORMED OFF THE CHARTS IN TERMS OF HOW THEY REACTED AND HOW THEIR FOLKS WERE PREPARED.

>> AND THE POLICE.

>> CERTAINLY, THE POLICE AND ALL OF THE FIRST RESPONDERS.

WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

NO, ABSOLUTELY.

IT WAS -- BUT HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE SCHOOL PROFESSIONALS.

THE FOLKS ARE THERE, SUPERINTENDENT, THE PRINCIPALS, THE TEACHERS, THEY HAVE BEEN VERY MUCH COMMUNICATING WITH EACH OTHER.

I DEFER TO THEM.

IT IS NOT TO -- THEM IF IT WERE A COMPANY I WOULD DEFER TO THEM.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO VIEW THEM AS THE VICTIMS.

YOU HAVE TO RESPECT THAT AND DEFER TO THEM.

>> NORMALLY, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.

IT IS DIFFERENT TIMES.

WHAT CHILDREN HAVE SEEN AND BEEN AROUND IN ALL SCHOOL DISTRICTS, NOT JUST IN THE CITY.

EVERYWHERE.

THERE IS SO MUCH MORE VIOLENCE OUT THERE.

IT IS THE TRUTH.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOUNG PEOPLE RESPOND TO VIOLENCE AS OPPOSED TO HOW WE -- >> THAT'S RIGHT -- TRAUMA FOR US.

>> -- TRAUMA FOR US WAS DIFFERENT.

I CAN'T SAY GET THEM RIGHT BACK IN SCHOOL.

IT IS NOT THE SAME.

IT ISN'T.

>> ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW, IT IS THE CLOSE TO THE END OF THE SEMESTER.

IF THE ADMINISTRATORS AND THE PARENTS, AS LONG AS IT IS SO CLOSE, LET'S GET A NEW SEMESTER AND A NEW START.

THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME.

>> WE LEARNED STUDYING REMOTELY IS A DISASTER AND KIDS ARE NOT LEARNING.

YOU ONLY GET YOUR CHANCE ONCE.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU.

THE REASON WE WOULD HAVE GONE BACK, BUT WE COULDN'T GO BACK.

THEY HAVE SO MUCH MORE VIOLENCE.

>> YOU CAN'T TAKE THE RESULTS, WHICH WE HAVE SEEN, OF THE WHOLE SEMESTER OF REMOTE LEARNING AND SAY WE CAN'T DO THIS FOR A MONTH OR TWO.

IT IS NOT THE SAME.

I RESPECT WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM.

I DON'T THINK, TO ME, IT IS A REASONABLE THING TO DO TO LET THIS PLAY OUT A LITTLE BIT AND LET THE FOLKS DECIDE ON THEIR OWN.

>> VERY WELL.

>> LET'S SEE WHAT FOLKS HAD TO SAY ABOUT LAST WEEK'S PROGRAM.

>>> MARY WROTE, WHY CAN'T THIS AREA DREDGE THE CREEKS THAT ALWAYS FOOD, FIX THE SEWERS.

FORGET THE SPORTS STADIUMS, BUT ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE LOWER CLASS.

THANK YOU.

>> PAULA WROTE I WAS IMPRESSED WITH JOHN.

HE MEASURED WITH HIS RESPONSES AND NICE.

>> I WAS DISAPPOINTED TO SEE MAGA ON NEXT UP LAST THURSDAY.

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>> THAT CONCLUDES THIS ONE.

PROGRAM NOTE, WE ARE NOT HERE NEXT WEEK BECAUSE OF THANKSGIVING.

WE'LL SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS.

DON'T TOUCH THAT DIAL!

ALVIN AND BILL WILL TALK ABOUT HIGHWAY AND BIKE SAFETY AND SHARING THE ROADS AND SURVIVING THE HOLIDAYS.

THAT AND MORE ON "NEXT UP".

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