Donnybrook
October 12, 2023
Season 2023 Episode 61 | 27m 48sVideo has Closed Captions
Charlie Brennan debates with Wendy Wiese, Bill McClellan, Alvin Reid, and Ray Hartmann.
Charlie Brennan debates with Wendy Wiese, Bill McClellan, Alvin Reid, and Ray Hartmann. Topics include the tragic events in Israel, the St. Charles City-County Library, Hancock High School eliminating the traditional grade-point scale, Guaranteed Basic Income, and more.
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October 12, 2023
Season 2023 Episode 61 | 27m 48sVideo has Closed Captions
Charlie Brennan debates with Wendy Wiese, Bill McClellan, Alvin Reid, and Ray Hartmann. Topics include the tragic events in Israel, the St. Charles City-County Library, Hancock High School eliminating the traditional grade-point scale, Guaranteed Basic Income, and more.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FOR ANOTHER EDITION OF DONNYBROO A LOT TO TALK ABOUT ON THIS EDITION.
LET'S START WITH WENDY WIESE FROM KTRS.
BILL MCCLELLAN FROM THE POST DISPATCH RAY HARTMANN OF THE RIVERFRONT TIME.
FROM THE ST. LOUIS AMERI ALVIN REID.
RAY, IT WASN'T A GOOD WEEK.
THERE WAS AN ATTACK BY THE TERRORIST GROUP HAMAS.
THOUSANDS DEAD AND KID AFTERWARD ST. LOUIS CONGRESSWOMAN CORI BUSH ISSUED A STATEMENT.
LIFE AND ASKED FOR PEACE AND NOVNOVIOLENCE.
SHE PLACED THE RESPONSIBILITY ON ISRAEL RATHER THAN HAMAS THE TERRORIST ORGANIZE.
SHE CALLED FOR SUPPORT FOR THE ISRAELI MILITARY OCCUPATION APARTHEID OF GAZA.
DID SHE JUMP THE SHARK?
OTHERS WILL PROBABLY COUNTERACT THIS.
STATEMENT.
AGAINST AID FOR UKRAINE.
THE OTHERS, IT SHOWED OUR DELEGATION IN GENERAL ISN'T UP TO THIS MOMENT.
THEY HAD A GOOD EDITORIAL.
I PERSONALLY THINK CORI BUSH, I WAS PRETTY POSITIVE ABOUT HER WHEN SHE STARTED.
I THINK SHE BUT NOT THE DISTRICT VERY WELL.
I'D LOVE TO SEE CARLA WHO IS RUNNING FOR STATE SENATOR.
ALONG BE WITH WESLEY BELL EITHER ONE OF THEM, MY CHOSE IS CARLA.
SHOULD SHIFT FROM LOSING RACE TO SENATE WHICH IS STATEWIDE TO WHAT I THINK COULD BE A VERY WINNING RACE FOR THE FIRST I'D LIKE TO SEE CARLA OR WESLEY BELL, PARTICULARLY CARLA RUN AGAINST HER.
>> YOU KNOW, FIRST PERSON WHO HAS NEVER LIKED CORI BUSH.
SHE NEVER SEEMED LIKE A SERIOUS PERSON.
LEAP IN.
WHEN LESLIE WAS ON NEXT UP, THREE DAYS BEFORE HE ANNOUNCED FOR SENATE.
WHAT ABOUT THE FUT NO, I'LL STAY IN MY I THINK SOMEBODY SHOULD CHALLENGE CORI BUSH.
>> THEY ARE ALWAYS PUTTING NEW LANES ON THE HIGHWAY.
HE DIDN'T KNOW THERE WOULD BE A NEW LANE.
I'D GET ON T I WAS HIM.
I THIN RECOGNITION AND SITUATION CORI BUSH PUT HERSELF IN.
HE COULD RAISE MILLIONS IN A WEEK.
WOULD BE THE CLEAR FAVORITE TO WIN.
I WROTE ABOUT THIS AT MY BIRTHDAY TIME WHEN THE SITUATION HAPPENED IN GERMANY WITH THE JEWISH ATHLETES.
HOLD BECAUSE TERRORISM IS TERRORISM IS TERRORISM.
YOU JUST CANNOT MAKE ANY KIND OF EXCUSE ORATORY TO WIS OR TRY TO WISH I THERE IS NO EXPLANATION FOR IT.
TO SPIN IT THAT WAY IS TO BE ONE NAIVE, IT'S TO BE DANGEROUSLY NAIVE.
IT COMPLICATED AND GONE BACK A FEW HUNDRED YEARS.
ALSO, I'D ASK CO KNOW, WHEN DID ALL OF THIS BEGIN.
AFTER WORLD WAR I WHEN THEY WENT BACK ON THIS AND I DON'T SHE KNOWS THAT.
IF YOU DON DON'T SAY ANYTHING.
>> RIGHT.
>> EMPIRE.
YE AS WE HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL WEEK THIS ISN'T TERRORISM BUT BARBERRISM.
IF YOU ARE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT AND CITIZEN OF THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT OF ST. LOUIS.
DISCIPLINE THAN THAT.
IF THE OF PROFESSIONALISM OR RESPONSIBILITY OR PATRIOTISM AS YOU SAID KEEP QUIET.
>> ING THERE HAVE BEEN SE POLLS THAT HAVE COME OUT AND MOST BLACK AMERICANS SAID OUR MORAL OBLIGATION IS TO STAND WITH ISRAE >> WELL, THE AFFILIATION WITH THE SQUAD SEEMS TO BE PARAMOUNT TO HER.
>> I'M NO DEFENDER OF CORI BUSH ON ANY ISSUE.
I'M NOT SURE I'M PRAISING HER COMMENTS HERE.
NOW, OFTEN WHEN HORRIBLE EVENTS HAPPEN WHETHER IT'S 9/11 OR ANOTHER TIME.
SOMETIMES WE GO INTO THESE -- THE REACTION IS SOMETHING WE LATER REGRET.
I THINK IF SHE'S SAYING DON'T FORGET THE PALESTINIAN INNOCENT LIFE.
HAVE DIED IN THE PAST WEEK.
ABOUT 140 CHILDREN DIED TO THE HEALTH MINISTRY.
IF WE CHERISH HUMAN LIFE WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT LIFE AT WELL.
>> NO.
&g >> SHE WASN'T BEING THOUGHTFUL.
>> SHE WAS BLAMING ISRAEL.
>> GO AHEAD.
>> NO ONE, I TAKING LIGHTLY PALESTINIAN LIFE NOR THERE ARE MANY JUST CAUSE HERE THAT IS A SOURCE OF REASONABLE DEBATE, FOR SURE.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE IS RAGING DEBATE WITHIN ISRAEL ABOUT THE PRIME MINISTER WHO IS PROBABLY ON THE WAY-OUT BECAUSE OF THIS.
THE SAME PAGE.
SHE SA ISRAEL AND REALLY WASN'T THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
OF COURSE.
TOM WROTE NEW YORK TIMES, THE WHOLE OVERREACTION BY GOING INTO GAZA IS WHAT HAMAS WANTS.
IT'S NOT LIKE -- THERE IS NUANCE TO THIS.
NUANCE.
VIOLENCE.
>> THE WHOLE BLAMING IS THE ANTIAPARTHEID GOVERNMENT IS SOMETHING ELSE AGAIN.
>> BE OKAY, BI LIKE TO ASK ABOUT ST. CHARLES COUNTY THEY THEY APPOINTED BUDDY.
ABOUT THE DRESS AND BOOKS ON THE SHELVES.
EHLMANN A LOT.
WHEN YOU LIBRARY BOARD YOU SHOULD KNOW APPOINT SOME WHO HASN'T HAD A LIBRARY CARD.
SOME KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT AFFAIRS VERIES THE CONSERVATIVE TEST.
>> I THINK WHAT HE DID WAS THE SMART THING.
WE HAVE THAT CAN RUN THE LIBRARY.
THE LIBRARY BOARD IN NORMAL TIMES DOESN'T DO A LOT.
THIS HAS BECOME SUCH A CULTURA WAR THING, IF YOU NOMINATE A CONSERVATIVE, A REPUBLICAN.
IT DOESN'T MATTER HE DOESN'T HAVE A LIBRARY CARD OR DOESN'T READ BOOKS.
>> REALLY.
>> D >> QUIET THINGS DOWN AND LET THEM RUN THE LIBRARY.
>> GROWING UP IN THE 60s, 70s, AND 80s.
I DON'T THINK ON THE LIBRARY BOARD.
THEY WERE CONSERVATIVE PEOPLE BUT NOT BURNING BOOKS AND TELLING YOU WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T READ.
THIS GENTLEMAN D THE THAT BOOK HAS THIS IN IT AND NO ONE CAN READ IT.
AS LONG AS HE'S NOT TH >> IT'S THE CROWD YOU WANT TO KEEP QUIET.
>> THIS ISN'T GREENWICH WH EN IN ROME YOU DO WHAT THEY NEED THE ROME.
>> THE PE PEASAN BOARD IS TOO LIBERAL.
>> THEY ARE TAXPAYERS.
COME ON.
>> T PEACEFUL OR UNREASONABLE NOW.
>> THE IDEA IS THEY WILL.
IF THE PEOPLE WITH THE PITCHFORKS THINK, YOU KNOW, LIBRARIANS AND LIBERALS ARE DOING THIS AND THAT THEY SHOW UP AT THE MEETINGS.
YOU WANT THEM TO BE BACK MAYBE THEY BRING THE VOICE OF THE CITIZENS TO THE BOARD AND CHALLENGING MORE CLOTHING IN BOOKS.
>> CHA WHAT STEVE EHLMANN HAS IN MIND.
>> HE HAD FIVE, HE SAID FIVE OF THE NINE APPOINTMENTS.
WE DO NOT HAVE -- IN ST. CHARLES WE DON'T HAVE A SCHOOL BOARD DOMINATED BY FIVE ANTI-FREE SPEECH PEOPLE, CRAZIES AND STUFF.
JUST LIKE TACKING ABOUT CORI BUSH NOT LISTENING TO HER CONSTITUENTS HE HAS TO LISTEN TO HIS CONSTITUENTS.
STEVE EHLMANN HASN'T CREATED A TERRIBLE SCHOOL BOARD THAT WILL DESTROY FREE SPEECH AND STUFF.
YOU CAN'T QUESTION EVERY SINGL ONE OF HIS APPOINTS ABDOMEN ON BALANCE STEVE EHLMANN REPRESENTS WHAT REPUBLICANS USED TO BE AN OUGHT TO BE.
>> MODERATES.
>> HE'S CONSERVATIVE MORE TO MODERATE BUT HE'S A FA PERSON.
HASN'T HAD A LIBRARY CARD IN DECADES?
>> IT'S FINE.
>> IF THAT LIB RATS OUT OF IT.
>> DO YOU HAVE A LIBRARY >> I SURE DO.
>> TWO SYSTEMS.
&g LIBRARY CARD.
>> I BOARD EITHER.
>> THAT'S BECAUSE I HAVE TO REDO MY LIBRARY CARD.
>> REASONABLE PEOPLE MIGHT DISAGREE.
&g >> ACTUALLY, YOUR MOM WAS ON THE BOARD.
>> SHE WILL GET ME A CA RD.
&g HANCOCK.
THEY WILL RATE PEOPLE ON HARD WORK AND INTENTIONS.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> WELL, ARE YOU ASKING THE POSSESSIOPOSSESSIONPEASANTS WHEN I HEAR THIS I SHUTTER.
IT'S REPELLENT.
OF OUR GENERATION.
MOST PEO HOWEVER, WHAT WE ARE DOING ISN'T WORKING AND A LOT OF PLACES IT'S NOT WORKING.
IN THIS PARTICULAR, HANCOCK THE DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS HAVE BEEN CUT IN HALF.
THE TARDINESS IS DOWN 60% INSTEAD OF TRADITIONAL DISCIPLINE METHODS OF DISCIPLINE THEY HAVE SOMETHING CALLED RESTORATIVE REFLECTIVE SOMETHING OR OTHER.
MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT AND SWEEP THE SCHOOL OR WO ACCOUNT IF YOU WILL.
INSTEAD OF GETTING A I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOME OF THESE MORE CREATIVE.
LET'S SEE HOW THEY WORK BEFORE YOU DISMISSED THEM OUT >> SORRY WENDY, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU.
>> WOW, IT'S A TOUGH NIGHT.
>> I'M MORE AND MORE FINDING MYSELF TALKING ABOUT LOCAL CONTROL OF SCHOOLS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEST HANCOCK HIGH SCHOOL OR SCHOOL DISTRICT BECAUSE I'M NOT THERE.
IF I WAS THERE I'D PROBABLY NO KNOW.
SCHOOL OFFICIALS ABOUT WHAT WORKS BEST FOR THEIR DISTRICT.
>> OKAY.
>> I DO.
&g >> I'M NOT DEBATING THAT.
WHAT I'M SAYING TAKE THE SCH OUT, DISTRICT OUT, TAKE THAT ALL OUT.
TESTING.
YOU KNOW, STUDENT CENTRIC INDIVIDUALS.
THEY CARE ABOUT THE KIDS AND SCHOOL DISTRICT.
I'M ONE I THIN A TESTING STANDARD.
I THINK THERE SHOU GRADES.
OR SOMETHING.
>> ALVIN.
WI LL NEVER BE GRADED OUT OF SCHOOL.
>> THE PUSHLISHED REPORT SA ID SOME OF THE STUDENTS WERE STIGMATIZED BY THE LOW GRADES.
>> THAT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE GRADES WERE INVENTED.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S A GOOD THING.
AND TRY HARDER.
>> IF YOU ARE A CHIL UNDERPERFORMED YOU GO INTO EVERY SCHOOL YEAR AND DREAD THE SCHOOL YEAR.
AND DOESN'T DECREASE OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR.
IN ANNOT ALL OF THEM BUT SOME.
>> WE WEREN'T SMARTER BUT WERE WE STRONGER?
THAT HE SAYS THE SOCIAL MEDIA.
>> I WAS STIGMATIZED.
I FLUNKED OUT OF COLLEGE.
I WAS STIGMATIZED BY GETTING A LOT OF Fs AND Ds.
I STILL THINK YOU NEED A MEASURING STICK OF HOW KIDS ARE DOING OTHER THAN HE SEEMS TO ENJOY IT.
>> I'M DISAPPOINTED FOUNDER.
I CLASS AND I THOUGHT FOR SURE.
SOMEONE NEEDS TO THROW DOWN FOR LOW GRADES.
>> WE ARE MOVING ALONG TH EN RAY.
NOT NECESS IMPORTANCE.
BILL, A STORY IN THE RIVERFRONT TIMES ABOUT A COP IN THE CITY ROGER MURPHY WHO IS NOW RETIRED.
HE WAS PUT-ON THE EXCLUSION LIST.
THERE IS NO REASON GIVEN WHY THEY WERE ON IT.
THE CIRCUIT ATTORNEY R TAKE THEIR CASES BECAUSE THEY HAD BEHAVIOR THAT UNDERMIND THEIR CREDIBILITY.
THIS GUY, ACCORDING TO REPORT.
ANY CASES, EVEN MURDER CASES, LIKE NINE OF THEM AFTER THEY SAID YOU ARE ON THE EXCLUSION LIST BUT PLEASE COME BACK AND TESTIFY ON THIS.
THEY ENDED UPSTR HIS DESK AND DEMOTED FROM HOMICIDE TO THE BEAT PATROL.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS HERE?
>> I THOUGHT IT WAS THE STRANGEST STORY I EVER RE READ ABOUT THE POLICE.
HE WAS PUT-ON THE LIST OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND THINGS YOU WOULD THINK WHY WOULD YOU BE SO JUVENILE AND BASH PEOPLE.
REFUSING TO TESTIFY IN MURDER CASES AND KIND OF BOASTING ABOUT HOW PEOPLE GOT AWAY WITH MURDER THAT SHOULD BE DOING LIFE WITHOUT PAROL.
I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, T NEWS HE'S GONE.
I THAT YOU GET IT WAS A BETRAYAL TO THE CITIZENS AND BETRAYAL TO HIS BROTHER AND SISTER COPS.
HE'S GONE.
HE AND GONE.
LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT MORE OFFICERS WHO DIDN'T LIKE KIM GARDNER DIDN'T JOIN HIS LITTLE PROTEST.
BECAUSE THEY HAVE FAMILIES AND TUITION AND MEDICAL BILLS.
IT WAS HIM AND HIS WIFE AND SHE SAID GO FOR IT AND I THOUGHT, I JUST CAN'T.
I'M GLAD HE'S DEPARTMENT.
>> I MIGHT JUMP IN.
DIDN'T LIKE KIM GARDNER.
HE DIDN'T TESTIFY BECAUSE HE WAS ON THE EXCLUSION LIST.
>> HE DIDN'T TESTIFY BECAUSE HE DIDN'T LIKE KIM GARDNER.
>> HE WAS CLEARED BY HIS OWN DEPARTMENT.
BUT SHE DIDN'T DO THAT.
>>> YOU DON'T WANT YOUR MAIN WITNESS TO BE A HOSTILE DETECTIVE.
I WOULDN'T SAY ANYTHING.
ONE OF THE PROSECUTORS TRIED TO CALL HIM WAS A FRIEND OF MINE.
TH AND HE SAID I WOULDN'T DO IT.
>> HE PUT HIS OWN EGO AND ATTITUDE -- >> I'M SORRY, SO S GARDNER.
>> SHE LIST.
>> IF CREDIBILITY WHY DO YOU WANT HIM TO TESTIFY?
>> MANY OF T BECAUSE OF RACIST TEXT AND SCOTT ROSINBLOOMS WERE HAPPY TO HAVE THEM.
>> BE WHEN HE KIMMY G. AND DRUG DEALER A THUG.
>> IT DOESN'T MATTER.
HE HAD AN OATH TO THE PE THE COMMUNITY TO DO HIS JOB.
WHATEVER HE THOUGHT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CAST KIM GARDNER I THE ROLE AS.
HE STILLED O CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY TO DO HIS BEST TO LOCK UP DANGEROUS PEOPLE.
&g I WROTE STORIES AGAINST HER AND HAPPY TO SEE HER GONE.
I DON'T THINK A HOMICIDE DETECTIVE SHOULD BE BOASTING HE SAVSAVE TAGED THE CASES.
YOU NEED SOMEONE TO TESTIFY WHEN I FOUND YOU ON THE STREET AND BEAT YOUR TAIL.
IF I'M OUT T THE FAMILIES YOU WILL BE THAT CAVALIER.
THAT MURDERED WHOEVER.
BE THAT CAVALIER ABOUT IT.
IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.
YOU WILL HELP OUT THIS CASE BECAUSE IT'S A POLICE FAMILY >> IT'S HORRIBLE.
>> I'M SUING THE CIT >> HE WAS CLEARED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SHE DRAGGED HER HEELS AND COMPLETED THE INVESTIGATION.
>> WE ARE TALKING TO THE FAMILIES.
>> SHE'S GOING TO NURSING WH EN SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETING THE INVESTI >> LET'S TAKE KIM GARDNER OUT OF IT.
>> SHE PUT HIM ON LIST.
REASON FOR LETTING A MURDER ERGO FREE?
&g HIS CASES?
>> >> SHE DID TAKE HIS CASES, CHARLIE.
MURPHY WAS THE LEAD DETECTIVE IN THAT AND KIM GARDNER TOOK THE CASE AND MURPHY SAID, I'M NOT GOING TO TESTIFY.
HE TOOK A WINDOW OUT OF MY HOUSE WHEN I NEEDED A SO FA SOFA IN AND BEAT TO DEATH BY THIS GUY.
KIM GARDNER CALLED MURPHY TO TESTIFY AND HE SAID I WOULDN'T DO IT.
>> SHE SHOUL THE EXCLUSION LIST.
>>> I DON'T ALL.
SHOULD BOAST ABOUT THIS.
>> THE WHOLE THING STUNK.
>> BE WHAT IF ON MURDERS MURDERED SOMEONE ELSE.
WHOSE HEAD IS THIS ON?
>> THEY WOULDN'T BE DEAD.
>> WE HAVE TO MOVE ALONG.
THE FINAL TOPIC OF THE MIGHT GET THE GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME IS COMING TO ST. LOUIS.
YOU CAN LE TREASURE'S OFFICE.
THE 23 NOVEMBER 1st.
540 PEOPLE WILL BE CLOSEN.
THEY WILL GET $500 PER M 18 MONTHS.
THEY HAV PUBLIC SCHOOLS OR CHARTER.
CAN'T BE IN A CATHOLIC SCHOOL.
>>> IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM.
I WROTE ABOUT IT LAST NOVEMBER.
I INTERVIEWED MICHEAL TUBBS WHO IS THE MAYOR OF STOCKTON.
HE SAID CASH SOLVES LACK OF CASH.
IT'S A GREAT.
IT HAD GOOD RESULTS IN PLACES.
THOSE AMONG US THAT NEED IT THE MOST IS A VERY POSITIVE THING.
GOOD FOR JONES FOR DOING IT.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE IT'S USED FOR TATTOOS, BEERS, CIGARETTES, LOTTERY TICKETS, GAMBLING.
>> HAVE ENOUGH RESPECT FOR PEOPLE.
IS NO SIGNS THEY WON'T USE IT FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
>> ANDREW RAN A PRESIDENTIAL RACE ON THIS.
SOMEDAY AND SOMEDAY SOON THERE MIGHT NOT BE ENOUGH JOBS TO GO AROUND.
BASIC HAVE TO THINK >> I AGREE.
>> THERE ARE A LOT OF WANTED SIGN BEES OUT THE >> I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THE $500.
>> IT'S FOR SOME OF THE MOST NEEDY AMONG US.
>> YOU HAVE TO HAV TO GET IT.
DID YOU NOTICE THAT.
>> ALL OF A SUDDEN PHOTO REQUIRED.
THANK THE PANEL FOR THE RESENT TURMOIL AT KDHX.
THE MISMANAGEMENT OF OTHERS IN LEADERSHIP POSITION.
THANK WE HEARD FROM MARY MILLER WHO WROTE AS AN OLDER ADULT THAT OWNED HER OWN PROPERTY I AGREE WITH SARAH.
THE PROPOSED RES PROPERTY TAX FREEZE FOR SENIORS SHOULD BE TESTED.
I BELIEVE CHARLIE SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO ALL TEACHERS.
DURING TONIGHT'S SHOW THEY WERE DISCUSSING A CERTAIN TEACH EARS NONSCHOOL ACTIVITY AND CHARLIE SAID THIS IS A GOOD TEACHER AND WE HAVE SO FEW GOOD TEACHERS.
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