I PROMISE EVERYBODY I DID NOT ROB THE LOU.

BUT CHARLIE SAYS HE'S IN JAPAN, BUT DO WE REALLY KNOW THAT?

ALVIN REID SITTING IN FOR CHARLIE BRENNAN AGAIN.

WELCOME TO DONNYBROOK ON THIS THURSDAY, THE FIRST REAL FALL DAY WE HAD.

THE FALL QUEEN, WENDY WIESE IS HERE WITH US TODAY, MEDIA VETERAN JOINED BY BILL MCCLELLAN, ONE OF OUR FOUND RESPECT E. POST-DISPATCH COLUMNIST.

SARAH FENSKE FROM ST.

LOUIS MAGAZINE ONLINE AND JOE HOLLEMAN FROM THE POST-DISPATCH POLITICAL COLUMNIST.

A LITTLE SHOUT-OUT TO OUR AUDIO GUY.

HE GOT MARRIED OVER THE WEEKEND.

CONGRATULATIONS.

THIS WEEK IS THE FIRST DAY OF THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.

WELCOME ABOARD.

SO ROMANTIC.

I HAVE BEEN MARRIED 42 YEARS.

ANYBODY CAN DO IT.

ANYBODY CAN DO THE JOB OF SUPERINTENDENT OF ST.

LOUIS PUBLIC SCHOOLS BECAUSE WE HAVE RUN THROUGH FIVE OF THEM THE LAST FEW YEARS COUNTING INTERIMS.

WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE AFTER MILLICENT BORISHADE WAS ASKED TO DEPART THE PREMISES.

A PERP WALK, AND THERE WILL BE A NATIONAL SEARCH AND IT CAN COME FROM THE SLPS, AND HERE WE GO AGAIN.

WE ARE NOW IN SEARCH OF THE SUPERINTENDENT.

AND THE INTERRIM SUPERINTENDENT MYRON BERRY WAS HEAD OF THE HR, HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT.

ROUND AND ROUND WE GO.

I WILL DO A PERP WALK FOR $750,000.

THE IDEA SHE'S GETTING $75,000.

THANK YOU, TONY COUSINS AND BRAD.

AS FAR AS A NATIONAL SEARCH GOES, I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST NATIONAL SEARCHES.

YOU GET PEOPLE WHO INTERVIEW WELL.

I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED TO SEE A GEORGE SANTOS.

LET'S GET SOMEBODY WHO WE KNOW KNOWS THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND HAS PERFORMED WELL.

I DON'T KNOW THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE ST.

LOUIS PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO KNOW WHETHER THE INTERIM HAS PERFORMED WELL ALTHOUGH HER SALARY WAS 200,000, 220,000.

SO I HOPE SHE WAS PERFORMING WELL.

ON YOUR MENTION OF GEORGE SANTOS BEING THE ONLY HOPE.

I DON'T WANT TO PUT TOO MUCH FAITH IN THE ST.

LOUIS PUBLIC SCHOOLS, BUT WE WOULD HOPE WE WOULD DO A SIMPLE BACKGROUND CHECK.

WE CAN CHECK SOME REFERENCES.

I THINK THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF AGENCIES IN TOWN THAT HIRED FROM OUTSIDE OF ST.

LOUIS LATELY.

THE ONE POPPING TO MIND HAS BEEN EXPLORE ST.

LOUIS, AND JUST THE NEW IDEAS COMING IN, AND THE WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THINGS THE WAY WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE THEM.

PUERTO RICO.

I WAS THINKING OF SOMEBODY ELSE, A FELLOW FROM FALLING ROCK.

THAT GUY HASN'T STARTED YET.

THE SCHOOL BOARD RUNNING SLPS WAS NOT THE TOP OF THE GAME.

AND THE WAY THINGS HAVE GONE IN THE ST.

LOUIS PUBLIC SCHOOLS DISTRICT, CAN WE SAY WE WANT SOMEBODY TO GOING ON THE SAME LINES, A CARETAKER FOR THE LEGACY OF WHAT THE SCHOOL ACCOMPLISHED?

THIS IS BAD ENOUGH.

IF YOU READ THE LEGACY OF MILLICENT BORISHADE, IT WOULD BE BAD ENOUGH AT THE CLOTHING STORE IN THE MALL.

WHEN YOU THINK OF THE STUDENTS AND THE FUTURE AND -- THESE ARE OUR BABIES.

YOU KNOW, THEY ARE THE FUTURE.

TO THINK THAT SHE IS WALKING OUT SAYING, YOU KNOW, I THINK I'M JUST GOING TO GO HOME AND DID HE COMPRESS.

I'M REALLY, REALLY, PROUD OF THE WORK WE HAVE DONE HERE.

AND THAT'S THE LEGACY OF KEISHA SCARLETT AS WELL.

KEISHA SCARLETT BROUGHT IN NINE COHORTS, ALL MAKING EXCESSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY.

IF THEY CAN STOP THAT KIND OF THING FROM HAPPENING AGAIN, THAT WILL SATISFY ME.

I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN HAVE SOMEBODY GREAT FROM WITHIN THE SLPS.

YOU JUST HAVE TO FIND THEM.

I'M NOT AN ENEMY OF NATIONAL SEARCHES, BUT NICKY AGREE WITH BILL.

GIVE IT TO THE PERSON THAT'S ALREADY BEEN THERE.

YOU CAN'T DO WORSE THAN THE LAST TWO THAT THEY HAVE HAD.

YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO WALK ON THE STREET, THROW A FRISBEE, AND WHOEVER CATCHES IT MIGHT DO A BETTER JOB THAN MS.

BORISHADE OR MS.

SCARLETT.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT SHE'S NOT EARNING IT, IF YOU WILL.

BUT THE IDEA THAT MRS.

BERRY, THE NEW INTERIM SUPERINTENDENT, HAD A JOB THIRD OR FOURTH ON THE LIST AND MAKING $200,000 A YEAR.

HOW MUCH MONEY DO THEY JUST THROW AT PEOPLE AND THIS IS THE RESULT WE GET?

THERE HAS TO BE NOT JUST A CHANGE IN WHO THE SUPERINTENDENT IS.

THERE HAS TO BE A CHANGE, IN WHICH WE GOT SOME IN BOARD MEMBERS, A WAY OF APPROACHING THIS WHOLE QUESTION.

BECAUSE WHATEVER IT WAS YOU'VE BEEN DOING, CHANGE IT ALL.

BECAUSE IT JUST HASN'T PRODUCED ANY OF THE RESULTS THAT YOU WANT A SCHOOL DISTRICT TO ACTUALLY PRODUCE.

LET'S SEE WHAT THIS WOMAN WILL DO.

YOU WILL DO IT WITH AN INTERNAL CANDIDATE.

SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE AGREEING WITH THE WHOLE WAY WE LOOK AT THIS.

IT'S NOT THE CHANGE IN THE WAY WE LOOK AT STUFF.

THAT'S THE NEW TRENDY THINK TO DO.

YOU GET THE HIRED GUNS MOVING FROM ONE JOB TO ANOTHER WITH NO INVESTMENT IN THAT COMMUNITY, NO HISTORY IN THAT COMMUNITY.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEONE RUN THE CITY SCHOOLS WHO WENT TO A CITY SCHOOL.

THAT'S WHAT THE UNION SPOKESPERSON WAS SAYING.

YOU NEED SOMEBODY TO BELIEVE IN THE COMMUNITY, WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING IN THE COMMUNITY.

HOW MANY WERE NEEDING THE ACCOUNT OF THE MEETING ON FRIDAY, THINKING OF THIS WALKING OUT WITH THREE-QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS WHEN CHILDREN COULD NOT BE TRANSPORTED BY THIS DISTRICT LAST YEAR.

IT'S JUST.

GRANT DAVIS.

MATT DAVIS.

MATT DAVIS.

AN EXORBITANT SUM AS IT WAS THAT WE ARE GIVING HER TO LEAVE, I HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON THAT.

SHE HAD TO GO AT ANY COST.

I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S MONEY WASTED BECAUSE IT'S LEAVING WITH HER AND SHE CAN TAKE IT BACK TO WASHINGTON OR WHEREVER SHE'S GOING TO GO.

BUT I WAS PERPLEXED BY THE ONE SCHOOL MEMBER THAT RESIGNED, BEN CONOVER, AND I DON'T GET THAT.

I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE ARE DISMISSED AND MAY THINK THEY WERE DISMISSED UNJUSTLY.

EXPLAIN HOW HE CAN THROW HIMSELF UNDER THAT BUS IN THIS SITUATION?

IN THE HISTORY ONYX WHERE I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO MILLICENT BORISHADE AFTER WHAT SHE ACCOMPLISHED.

WHAT?

HE WAS UPSET WITH THE WAY CERTAIN PRACTICES AND STANDARDS WERE NOT FOLLOWED AND IT WAS AGAINST THE STATE CHARTER.

WHEN DID BORISHADE OR SCARLETT FOLLOW ANY -- HE WAS A PUZZLEMENT TO ME, TOO.

I HAVE KNOWN BEN IN A PROFESSIONAL CONTEXT FOR SOME YEARS NOW, AND I THINK HE'S PASSIONATE ABOUT ONE ISSUE.

HIS ISSUE IS HE DOESN'T WANT TO SEE PUBLIC DOLLARS GO TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

HE DOESN'T LIKE HOW A LOT OF THE MONEY FROM SLPS IS BEING SOFTENED TO CHARTER SCHOOLS.

HE FELT THAT BORISHADE HAD THE SAME FEELING THAT HE DID.

SHE WAS COMPLETELY INCOMPETENT.

ANOTHER ONE OF HIS PASSIONS IS KEEPING STATE CONTROL OUT OF THE SLPS.

SHE HAD TO GO TO AT LEAST KEEP THE STATE.

AS LONG AS SHE WAS THERE, I THINK THE GOVERNOR MIGHT MAKE GOOD ON TRYING TO INTERFERE WITH ST.

LOUIS PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

SOME MAY NOT GO WHEN BORISHADE WAS HIRED.

ALL THE PEOPLE THAT KEISHA SCARLETT BROUGHT IN, THERE'S ONE WAY OF THINKING THEY ALL NEED TO GO.

YOU CLEAN EVERYBODY OUT.

AS FAR AS MR.

CONOVER, IF HE WOULD LIKE TO GO DOWN TO RETAIN HER, CAN THEY MAKE IT 6-1 TO GET RID OF MILLICENT BORISHADE.

WILL THAT MAKE HIM FEEL BETTER?

TALK ABOUT MISSING THE PICTURE HEAR, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

NOT A BIG CHARTER SCHOOL FAN EITHER, MAYBE NOT TO THE EXTENT HE IS.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO FIGHT THAT, BETTER DOING IT FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD THAN FROM YOUR HOUSE.

WE GO FROM SLPS TO SLDC.

AND OTIS WILLIAMS SAYS THE PERMIT PROCESS IS TOO SLOW AND THE INCENTIVE WELL DRIED UP, AND IT'S REALLY, REALLY HARMING DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY.

SARAH, YOU HAD A FANTASTIC STORY SAYING MR.

WILLIAMS KIND OF LEFT OUT PERTINENT FACTS DURING HIS PRESENTATION TO A BOARD OF ALDERMEN.

ERIC SCHMITT FOUND INTERESTING STUFF.

IT'S THE FORMAL REPORT THAT UNDER ORDINANCE HE HAS TO GIVE TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN EVERY YEAR.

HE PAINTED THE DIRE PICTURE.

THIS IS REALLY ALARMING.

WHAT AM I DOING LIVING IN THE CITY OF ST.

LOUIS?

THE LAST COUPLE YEARS HE HAD STATS LIKE 40% OF ALL BUSINESSES HAVE MOVED OUT.

BUILDING PERMITS ARE DOWN BY 50%.

THIS IS A DISASTER.

WELL, ERIC, MY COLLEAGUE, DUG INTO THIS AND SAID IT'S NOT RIGHT.

TURNS OUT IT WASN'T RIGHT.

IT TOOK A COUPLE PHONE CALLS LOOKING AT DATABASES AND ERIC WAS ABLE TO SHOW, NO BUILDING PERMITS ARE ON PACE TO BE WHAT THEY WERE LAST YEAR, IF NOT SLIGHTLY HIGHER.

40% OF BUSINESSES HAVE NOT LEFT THE CITY.

BUT 40% OF BUSINESSES WERE IN THE ZONE HIT BY THE TORNADO.

TALK ABOUT A MISINTERPRETATION OF DATA.

OTIS WILLIAMS WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE INCENTIVES GO TO DEVELOPERS.

IT'S A BIG PHILOSOPHICAL DEBATE AT THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN.

MADE A BAD TASTE IN MY MOUTH.

I THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO THINK SLDC TO HAVE ACTUALLY FACTS.

MY BAD.

WHAT A HIGH BAR YOU SET FOR CITY OFFICIALS.

IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE PREPARED A REPORT WHO THEN GAVE IT TO SOMEBODY AND OTIS JUST GOT UP THERE AND SAID WHAT YOU SAID, WHICH ALSO SHOWS YOU THE OVER ALL INEFFICIENCY OF GOVERNMENT.

WHEN I READ THAT, IT WAS LIKE, THEY SHOULD BE BOARDING UP THIS ENTIRE CITY.

WHY ARE THEY NOT MOVING US ALL OUT?

COME ON, EVERYBODY.

WE ARE LEAVING THE CITY.

WE ARE GOING TO CHESTERFIELD.

WHEN IT GOT CORRECTED, IT WAS LIKE OKAY.

LIKE CHESTERFIELD WOULD HAVE US.

IT STRUCK ME AS -- SLDC ALWAYS SEEMS TO HAVE IDEAS, AND THEN YOU WILL GO WELL, WHAT ABOUT THESE FACTS OR WHAT ABOUT THE FACT YOU ARE GOING TO SEND MONEY TO A BUSINESS THAT'S ACTUALLY LOCATED IN MAPLEWOOD.

YES, THAT DOES SEEM TO BE THE CASE.

YOU CAN'T REALLY DEPEND ON THINGS THAT THEY TELL YOU.

I'M GLAD THEY SQUARED IT AWAY, BECAUSE MY SAME REACTION WAS MY GOD, WE ARE DEAD.

OTIS DIDN'T SEEM APOLOGETIC ABOUT IT.

WHEN YOU THREW ALL THESE FACTS, THIS ISN'T RIGHT, AND THIS CAN'T BE RIGHT, FROM READING THE STORY, SARAH, HE DID NOT SEEM APOLOGETIC ABOUT IT.

WELL, YEAH, THERE'S NUANCE.

OUR POINT STILL STANDS.

WE NEED TO GIVE OUT INCENTIVES.

I NEED TO THINK ABOUT IF THE POINT STILL STANDS.

ALL THESE FACTS ARE WRONG.

YOU EXPECT A LOT FROM CITY OFFICIALS.

THERE WAS A TARGET PUT ON NEIL RICHARDSON AS BEING INCOMPETENT, UNLAWFUL, WHATEVER, DURING THE PAST ELECTION.

IF IT'S MORE OF THE SAME, THEN SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GO BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE WE WERE TOO HARD ON NEIL RICHARDSON WHEN WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN HARD ON THE SLDC SETUP.

I HAVE BEEN WARNING PEOPLE ABOUT THIS.

THIS IS KIND OF REARING ITS UGLY HEAD AGAIN.

THE TORNADO IS GOING TO BE THE BE ALL AND END ALL, AND PEOPLE BETTER TAKE CONTROL OF WHERE MONEY IS GOING, IDEAS ARE GOING AND ALL OF THIS.

ALL YOU HAVE GOT TO DO IS SAY BECAUSE OF THE TORNADO, WE CAN'T DO THIS, SO WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THAT.

I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT OTIS WAS DOING AS WELL.

ANYTHING GOES AS LONG AS YOU PUT TORNADO.

YOU SORT OF GET THE SENSE READING THE STORY THAT IT IS A NEW DAY.

I MEAN, IT REALLY IS A NEW DAY.

WE HAVE BEEN KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ON THESE ISSUES FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME.

DAYLIGHT -- SUNLIGHT IS THE MOST POWERFUL ANTISEPTIC, AND WE ARE SEEING THAT.

THERE NEEDS TO BE FUNDAMENTAL CHANGES.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WAS TOO HARD ON NEIL RICHARDSON.

I THINK HE SHOULD BE HARD ON EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN CITY GOVERNMENT.

THAT'S WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO IS BE HARD ON THEM.

WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO GIVE THEM BREAKS.

BECAUSE YOU CHANGE ONE INCOMPETENCY WITH ANOTHER INCOMPETENCY DOESN'T SAY WE SHOULDN'T PICK ON THE OTHER.

IN CHARGE, GIVING MONEY TO THE MUSEUM OF THE MISSISSIPPI.

IT TURNS OUT THERE IS NO MUSEUM.

WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS ALL THE SHENANIGANS WAS GOING TO STOP WITH OTIS WILLIAMS AND THE NEW ADMINISTRATION.

OBVIOUSLY SHENANIGANS HAS NOT STOPPED.

I THINK THE PROBLEM IS WHEN PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT GOVERNMENT SHENANIGANS STOPPED BECAUSE YOU CHANGE GOVERNMENT.

NO, YOU DON'T.

IT'S JUST A PERSON RUNNING DIFFERENT SHENANIGANS.

DON'T TRUST ANY OF THEM.

THAT'S A GOOD APPROACH.

LAST WEEK THE STORY WAS BREAKING ON BRADY KNOT'S DEPARTURE.

WE WILL GO TO YOU WENDY.

JUST IN READING THE STORY AND HOW HE WAS ASKED TO LEAVE OR RESIGNED, I'VE STILL GOT QUESTIONS.

DO YOU, AS WELL?

FIRST OF ALL, IF I WAS LIKE ANYBODY ELSE, I WOULD PLEAD GUILTY.

I IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT WHAT DID HE DO?

THEN IT TURNS OUT -- AND I THINK I WAS READING YOUR NEWSLETTER WHEN I E-MAILED YOU TO SAY WHAT?

BECAUSE IT WAS SO SHOCKING.

IT WAS SO SHOCKING, THE CIRCUMSTANCES, AND THE STORY THAT WAS REPORTED THAT HE WAS -- IT SOUNDED LIKE -- AND I MAY BE READING BETWEEN THE LINES -- THAT THE MACHINE WAS MOVING TOO SLOWLY, THAT HE HAD BEEN PROMISED THE 5:00 ANCHOR SPOT.

IT SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS GETTING FRUSTRATED IN THE WORKPLACE, KIND OF GETTING AGGRESSIVE, MAKING REMARKS ABOUT WORKPLACE VIOLENCE OR EVEN SORT OF OFFHANDED REMARKS ABOUT POTENTIAL CTE IMPACT WHILE HE WAS A STAND-OUT FOOTBALL PLAYER IN CALIFORNIA.

I CERTAINLY FEEL FOR THE GUY, BUT IN 2025, YOU CANNOT DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

YOU CANNOT SAY ANYTHING REMOTELY POTENTIALLY VIOLENT IN THE WORKPLACE.

HE DENIES IT, THOUGH, DOESN'T HE?

HE DENIES THE CONTEXT, I THOUGHT.

I THOUGHT HE WAS SAYING HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A RIFLE TO TALK ABOUT HIS AK47.

HE DID STRESS IN MOST OF THESE CASES I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT CONVERSATION THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

THERE'S A COUPLE WITH THE CTE WHERE HE SAID I DID SAY I MIGHT HAVE CTE.

AND HE NEVER SAID ANYTHING VIOLENT.

THAT IS DEFINITELY A DIFFERENT IMPRESSION THAN WAS LEFT BY THE COLLEAGUES, AND I THINK IT'S VERY HARD TALKING TO HIM, BECAUSE HE'S VERY CHARMING AND I FELT BAD FOR HIM.

HE WAS SO UPSET.

NORMALLY IN THE SITUATION YOU WOULD EXPECT SOMEBODY WOULD SAY I SAID THIS, AND SOMEBODY SEEMS TO HAVE MISINTERPRETED IT.

THERE WAS NO COMMON POINT BETWEEN THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE SAID THAT HE SAID AND THINGS THAT HE SAID THAT HE HAD SAID.

HE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THAT IS WHY THEY ASKED HIM TO GO, THAT PEOPLE MADE THE COMPLAINTS, BUT HE SAID I NEVER SAID ANY OF THIS.

BUT KSDK, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF HIGH PROFILE PEOPLE OF COLOR THAT HAVE LEFT THEIR POSITIONS THROUGH ART HOLIDAY RETIRING, ANTHONY SLAUGHTER.

YEAH, I COULD SEE WHERE PEOPLE ARE STILL ASKING QUESTIONS, SCRATCHING THEIR HEADS.

ABSOLUTELY.

ANYTHING TO GIVE ON THAT ONE, JOE?

THE SITUATION -- WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A SCENARIO THAT'S MISSING ANY COMMENT FROM THE COMPANY.

I HAVE A PROBLEM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE EVERYTHING FITS IN.

I HAVE READ OUR COVERAGE.

I HAVE READ YOUR COVERAGE OF IT.

I KIND OF HAVE A HANDLE WHAT KNOT IS SAYING.

ON THE OTHER SIDE, THOUGH, AS MUCH AS YOU DO OR DO NOT LIKE IT, BUT I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN MANAGEMENT.

FOR WHATEVER REASON THE POST-DISPATCH NEVER CITIED I WAS MANAGEMENT MATERIAL.

I'M IN LINE, TOO.

WE HAVE NEVER BEEN IN CHARGE OF ANYBODY, BARELY OURSELVES.

YOU KNOW THEY ARE NOT GOING TO COMMENT BECAUSE THEY HAVE ATTORNEYS GOING DON'T SAY A WORD, SO THEY ARE NOT GOING TO.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

IT SEEMS UNFORTUNATE THAT THIS IS HOW THAT CAREER COMES TO AN END.

IT'S KIND OF SAID OR TELLING THAT NONE OF HIS COLLEAGUES HAVE COME FORWARD AND SAID THAT'S EXACTLY THE TRUTH.

THERE'S A LOT OF THAT GOING AROUND THESE DAYS.

WHY DOESN'T SOMEBODY SPEAK UP IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT?

YOU WISH SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING.

A REPORTER ONCE SAID HOW ABOUT WE RUN THE 1A, AND I SAID HOW ABOUT I RUN YOU OVER WITH THE CAR?

I COULD HAVE BEEN FIRED FOR THAT.

PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN NEWSROOMS REALIZE THE SENSE OF HUMAN THAT EXISTS IN THERE IS PROBABLY NOT ACCEPTABLE IN 95% OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES.

EVEN BACK THEN.

EVEN BACK THEN.

I WAS UNCOMFORTABLE DRAWING ANY CONCLUSION.

IT SEEMS LIKE A SADDENING OF WHAT'S THE 20 YEARS OF COMMUNITY RELATIONSHIP.

JOE, ARE YOU LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING DOWN TO SPRINGFIELD FOR A FEW DAYS FOR THE TRIAL OF SAM PAGE?

APPARENTLY THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE SAYS IT'S RIFE AND FULL OF ERRORS AND SET UP TO MAKE SAM PAGE LOOK GUILTY WHEN IN REALITY NO CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED.

SHOULD CATHERINE HANAWAY JUST LET THIS GO?

NO.

I'M NOT SAYING ANYBODY IS GUILTY OR INNOCENT HERE.

THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TRIALS.

THIS CAME UP A WEEK OR SO AGO WHEN YOU SAID DO YOU KNOW THAT CORI BUSH'S HUSBAND'S ATTORNEYS FILED A MOTION TO DISMISS?

I WOULD FIRE ANY ATTORNEY WHO DIDN'T FILE A MOTION TO DISMISS, AND IF I WERE SAM PAGE I WOULD FIRE ANY ATTORNEY THAT SAID THIS CASE IS RIDICULOUS.

THERE'S NO MERIT TO THIS CASE WHATSOEVER.

LET'S LET A JUDGE DECIDE WHAT THAT IS.

JUST BECAUSE THE ATTORNEYS FOR SAM PAGE SAID THERE'S NO CASE HERE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S NO CASE.

LET IT GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND IF A JUDGE SAYS YOU KNOW YOU ARE RIGHT, WE THROW IT OUT, I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THAT.

THE IDEA WHERE HANAWAY SHOULD PULL IT, JUST BECAUSE THE OPPOSING ATTORNEY SAID YOU MADE MISTAKES IN YOUR CASE, THAT WOULD BE EVERY CASE.

I WAS GOING TO SAY, I DO THINK IT'S MORE THAN THAT.

I READ THE FILINGS THAT THEY MADE YESTERDAY, I THOUGHT THIS CASE WAS FLAWED FROM THE GET-GO AND SAID THAT ON THE SHOW.

AFTER READING THE FILINGS, I SAID THIS IS A REALLY FLAWED CASE ON A NUMBER OF LEVELS.

I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF A JUDGE DOESN'T TOSS IT.

THAT'S WHY YOU FILE THE MOTION.

THE IDEA THAT WE WILL HAVE A TRIAL, THIS IS LIKE A JAYWALKING CASE.

I MEAN, THE IDEA THAT SAM PAGE COMMITTED SOME FELONIOUS CRIME ON THE SURFACE IS PHONY.

I DON'T THINK SAM PAGE WILL SUCCESSFULLY RUN AGAIN.

I THINK BRIAN WILLIAMS IS A GOOD CANDIDATE, MAKES A GOOD ARGUMENT, AND SAID YOU HAVE GOT TO GET ALONG WITH THE PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL, ESPECIALLY YOUR OWN PARTY.

WHAT SAM PAGE DID RISES TO THE LEVEL OF LET'S HAVE A TRIAL.

INFORMATIONAL VERSUS POLITICAL IN TERMS OF THE DOCUMENT, AND THE FACT HE DOES NOT -- AND I HAVE QUESTIONED MANY THINGS THAT HE'S DONE AS COUNTY EXECUTIVE, BUT HE DOES NOT SEEM TO BE THE KIND OF RECKLESS HEY, MAN, WHO'S JUST GOING TO NOT TALK TO THE COUNTY COUNSEL'S OFFICE AND SAY WHERE ARE WE HERE?

TOM SULLIVAN.

EVERYBODY LIKES HIM.

IF HE CATCHES YOU JAYWALKING, HE'S GOING TO TAKE A PICTURE OF IT.

BUT THAT DOESN'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF A CRIME.

I WOULD BE MORE INTERESTED IN PURSUING SELECTIVE PROSECUTION, BECAUSE WHAT SAM PAGE IS BEING ACCUSED OF HERE IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY HAS DONE BEFORE, AND IT'S BEEN WRONG WHEN THEY DID IT.

THEY ARE SPENDING TAXPAYER MONEY TO PROMOTE AN ISSUE.

YES, TOM SULLIVAN HAS BEEN A SHILL WHISTLE ON THE SUBJECT AND DOESN'T MAKE IT WRONG WHEN HE COMPLAINED ABOUT IT.

BUT TAXPAYER MONEY ALWAYS GETS USED, AND YOU ALWAYS KNOW WHAT THE GOVERNMENT WANTS IN THEIR INFORMATIONAL PROPOSITION.

WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY DECIDED TO ACTUALLY GO TO A ZOOM MEETING WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PRESIDENT ABOUT PREFERENTIAL FUNDING, BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SIGN WHATEVER THE PLEDGE IS.

WHY ON EARTH WOULD THEY MEET WITH THE PEOPLE IF THEY WERE NOT GOING TO SIGN IT?

I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD ANYTHING TO DO IT.

BUT SARAH, WHERE DO YOU STAND ON IT?

WE LISTENED TO HIM.

WE HEARD HIM OUT.

WE DECIDED IT WASN'T FOR US RATHER THAN REJECTING IT.

WHY NOT REJECT THE NONSENSE UP FRONT?

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO TELL US HOW TO RUN THE UNIVERSITY.

BECAUSE HE'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

I THINK IT'S A MORE EFFECTIVE REJECTION TO SAY I LISTENED TO THIS.

I GAVE IT A CHANCE, AND GUESS WHAT, THIS IS NO GOOD VERSUS I WOULDN'T EVEN GET IT A CHANCE.

THESE ARE REPRESENTATIVES OF LEARNING INSTITUTIONS.

YOU LEARN MORE BY GOING TO THE MEETING THAN NOT GOING TO THE MEETING.

NOBODY IS MAKING YOU SIGN IT.

THEY SAID THEY ARE NOT GOING TO.

BUT THEY AT LEAST UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE ARGUMENT WAS.

9 THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY HAVE NOW IS GREATER AS TO WHAT IS GOING ON AND WHAT THEY NEED TO BE WARY OF.

NOBODY WANTS TO ANTAGONIZE THIS PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE IS A VINDICTIVE FELLOW.

THEY THOUGHT WE WILL GO ALONG AND PRETEND TO LISTEN.

IN THE EDITORIAL THAT THE TWO PROFESSORS WROTE, I DID THINK IT WAS INTERESTING THAT WAY DOWN THEY DID TALK ABOUT -- THEY SAID VERY LEGITIMATE CONCERNS ABOUT THE CURRICULUM ON CAMPUS, ABOUT THE ECHO CHAMBER IN THE CLASSROOMS.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IT.

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LAST CALL COMING UP, WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT CHICKENS AND PET ADOPTION AND ALSO THE SHERIFF.

HE'S BACK IN THE NEWS AGAIN.

JOE, YOU WERE HERE SITTING IN MY CHAIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CHARLIE GOING TO BE GONE ANOTHER WEEK.

MAYBE HE WILL CATCH HIM WITH ALL OF THAT STOLEN JEWELRY.

THERE WE GO.

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