Donnybrook
October 5, 2023
Season 2023 Episode 60 | 27m 48sVideo has Closed Captions
Charlie Brennan debates with Sarah Fenske, Bill McClellan, Alvin Reid, and Ray Hartmann.
Charlie Brennan debates with Sarah Fenske, Bill McClellan, Alvin Reid, and Ray Hartmann. Topics include the homeless encampment at St. Louis City Hall, a proposed property tax increase in St. Louis County, a proposed property tax freeze for senior citizens in St. Louis City, turmoil at KDHX, and more.
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Donnybrook
October 5, 2023
Season 2023 Episode 60 | 27m 48sVideo has Closed Captions
Charlie Brennan debates with Sarah Fenske, Bill McClellan, Alvin Reid, and Ray Hartmann. Topics include the homeless encampment at St. Louis City Hall, a proposed property tax increase in St. Louis County, a proposed property tax freeze for senior citizens in St. Louis City, turmoil at KDHX, and more.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship>>> FALL IS HERE, BUT THE ST. LOUIS CITY HALL IS GONE, AMONG THE TOPIC IN THIS HALF HOUR ON DONNYBROOK.
THANKS FOR JOI SITTING IN FOR WENDY WIESE -- EDITOR AND -- BILL MCCLELLAN.
FROM THE POST DISPATCH.
AND RAY HARTMANN, AND FROM THE ST. LOUIS -- BILL, WE'LL START WITH YOU.
THERE WAS, S AREA, A SMALL ENCAMPMENT, THAT BECAME -- CITY HALL.
DOWNTOWN.
THEN, MONDAY, THERE WAS A PRESS CONFERENCE AMONGST ALDERMEN, MONDAY NIGHT CITY OFFICIALS BEGAN TO DISMANTLE THE ENCAMPMENTS.
SOME THINK, IT WAS TAKEN AWAY BECAUSE THIS WEEKEND THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED HARRIS AND SOME DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BE EMBARRASSED, ARE YOU BUYING THAT?
THINK THAT THE GOVERNMENT WILL BE PUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR METHADONE CLINICS OR WHATEVER.
TAKING AN ATTITUDE RIGHT NOW, I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT ATTITUDE.
SHE LOOKED OUT, I DON'T WANT THEM IN MY BACK YARD.
>> THEY'VE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.
PRETTY NICE.
>> LOOK, T ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
AND IT WAS ENOUGH, AND PEOPLE MAKE IT SOUND LIKE -- IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON.
>> IT WAS TO LAST SPRING WHEN THE XFL, GOT TO PLAY, AGAIN REMOVE THE TENTS THAT WERE THERE ON SO THE BATTLE HAWKS FANS WOULD HAVE A PLACE TO PARK, THE FIREFIGHTERS STATUE AND THE MEMORIAL.
>> BUT THEY'RE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS.
>> ONCE HARRIS LEAVES EVERYTHING GOES BECOME.
>> THE CLEAR HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT IN A HUMANE WAY.
THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DESIGNED TO JUST DO A SHOW OF FORCE, THERE QUICKLY, GET THEM OUT OF THERE, SHE -- HAD NOT GOTTEN, THE CITY ENCOURAGED THEM, YOU SHOULD -- LIKE YOU CAN GET A BED.
THE BEDS THEY COULD STAY THEIR HUSBANDS OR KEEP THEIR --.
THE CITY NOT HAD BARRIER SHELTERS SINCE THEY RAN RICE OUT OF HERE.
IRONICALLY, LAST WEEK, T HE'S NOT ALLOWED TO REOPEN.
AND THEY HAVE YET TO FIX THE SOLUTION.
I THINK IT WAS POORLY OF THE ALDERMEN DOWN THERE, AT 2 IN THE MORNING.
THEY WERE OUT THERE, UNTIL THE MORNING, THE FOLKS, AND THEY MADE THAT THIS IS NOT THE WAY YOU DO THIS.
THIS IS DONE BY THE WAY, EVERY CITY DOES THIS.
THE SUPER BOWL, IT'S UNIVERSAL, THE SWEEP.
>> GOT TO RUN THE HOMELESS -- >> THEY ALL DO.
>> ON THAT ONE, CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY FROM SAN FRANCISCO TO PORTLAND, BOSTON, THE FAMOUS CORNER, THEY'RE NOT DEALING WITH IT.
THEY'RE UNABLE TO.
MANY OF THEM HAVE DRUG PROBLEMS AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH COUNSELORS, AND THOSE -- THEY'RE DOING IT UNLESS THERE'S SECURITY.
>> THIS IS WHAT THEY SUPER BOWL, BUT -- >> THAT'S WHAT IS FRUS ABOUT ST. LOUIS.
WI TAKE THE PEOPLE IN THE HOMELESS, AND CRIMINALS, IT'S A BUNCH OF SMALL -- COMPARED TO CHICA WHATNOT.
GET CAUGHT UP ON THIS.
REALIZE THAT TWO YEARS AGO, THE MAYOR HAD WENT TO THE BOARD AND WANTED TO CREATE AN ENCAMPMENT WITH ALL THAT, AND GET [INAUDIBLE].
> DOING NOTHING EXCEPT LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW.
>> $50 BILLION.
IF THE -- IT NEVER WILL.
IT'LL NEVER HAVE THE MONEY.
>> LET ME SAY ONE THING.
I'LL DISAGREE WITH YOU.
AS FAR AS THE LARRY RICE ISSUE, LOOK AT THAT RECENTLY REALLY FOUND THAT, THE THING ABOUT LARRY, HE'S TRYING TO -- HE'S NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES.
FIX THIS CITY IS ON HIS POINT.
I DO THINK -- >> RICE REALLY PROVIDED A SERVICE THAT WE NEEDED.
AND WILL NEED.
>> WE HAVE AN A DISAGREEMENT.
>> SECOND, THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE, SAM PAGE IS LOOKING FOR THE TAX INCREASE ON HOMES.
PEOPLE PAY THE TAX R ASSESSED VALUE IS 60,000.
THIS IS BECAUSE THE COUNTY NOW HAS A $40 BILLION DEFICIT.
WELL, SOME PEOPLE ARE WONDERING, GIVE -- TO BOEING, WHILE HE'S ASKING HOMES TO INCREASE.
AND OVER THE LAST 15 OR 20 YEARS, DRAWS CLOSURE TO THE CREEK BEHIND IT.
>> YOU KNOW, COME ON.
THE TAX BREAK, BUT YOU ALL NEED TO PAY MORE.
BY THE WAY, DISCUSSION, SENIORS PAY A TAX BREAK, A PROPERTY BREAK, COUNTY, MAYBE PREVAIL.
BUT THERE WAS SERIOUS TALK ABOUT IT.
>> LOOK AT THE HOM SAY, COUGH UP MORE MONEY.
I'M NOT -- >> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE LOVE IT.
WILDLIFE, AND I DRIVE A GOLF BALL AND IT GOES -- >> SUPPORTED THE BOEING TAX BREAK.
OPPOSED THE YOU NEED MONEY.
YOU NEED REVEN I TELL YOU, YOU DO.
SO A [INAUDIBLE].
I THINK THAT IT'S THE PRICE YOU PAY.
>> IF THE COUNTY STARTED -- AND LICENSE PLATES AND COLLECT THE MONEY THERE, THIS IS THE SAME EXECUTIVE WHO DIDN'T GET AN OF EACH DEAL ON THE RAM SETTLEMENT.
>> THAT WAS A FAIR DEAL.
IT HAD IMPACT ON -- >> T SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY ON THE ANNUAL -- > >> ST. LOUIS , NOW THIS ONE REALLY SHOCKED, DID YOU TOO.
THE MAYOR OF THE CITY SAYS SHE WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE TAX FOR SENIORS.
SENIORS.
THAT ALLOW AND EVERYONE KNOWS THE COUNTY [INAUDIBLE].
SO, SENIOR, 62 AND O PROPERTY TAX FREEZE.
WHATEVER THEY -- >> HAVE TO H SENIORS.
IT'S REALLY PAYING OFF GRE YOU.
YOUNG FAMILIES.
I AM A CITY RESIDENT AT SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS WHO ARE OLDER, THEY ARE SPECTACULARLY WELL.
MAKING A LOT OF MONEY, I'M HAPPY FOR THEM.
I DON'T THINK THAT THE PEO SHOULD BE GETTING A FREE -- SHOULD BE FOR [INAUDIBLE].
TO ME, THAT'S OPPOSITE OF EQUITY.
HARD TO GET BEHIND THIS.
>> I WILL SAY, I DO THINK MAYOR JONES HAS -- THE FACT THAT [INAUDIBLE].
ARE LEAVING ARE NOT -- IT'S MORE LIKELY TO BE YOUNG FOLKS.
AND I THINK THAT OF ALL COMMUNITIES THAT REALLY CUTTING THE REVENUES, THERE'S SO PRESSURE.
UNFAIR PRESSURE.
THE LAST THING THE CITY NE DO IS TALK ABOUT TAX CUTS.
>> YOU GO IN -- >> T >> OKAY, BUT YOU'LL -- THE THING IS, A TAX BREAK TO DEFEND THE ACT, AND ST. LOUIS COUNTY, THE MEDIAN INCOME WAS [INAUDIBLE].
AND FRANKLY, OVER THERE ON PORTLAND PLACE GETTING A TAX BREAK.
>> IT IS WORKING P AN OLD PERSON, I THINK IT'S -- >> LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING.
YOU BROUGHT UP -- THINK THAT THE LEADERS ARE ACTING LIKE OSTRICHES WITH THEIR HEADS IN THE SAND?
TH OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO EARN -- AND A LOT ARE WORKING -- IT'S NOT JUST THE LAWSUIT, THEY -- REGARDING THE NEW TAX.
IT'S ONLY FOR THOSE THE CITY AND WORK IN THE CITY.
IF YOU'RE WORKING IN BOZEMAN, MONTANA AS A LAWYER, THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PAYING MORE THAN THE EARNING TAX.
&g LITIGATION PLAY.
>> EXACTLY.
>> YOU DON'T IS.
>> HOPE NOT.
>> THE LAST TWO, YOU KNEW IT WOULD GO BY.
I DIDN'T EXPECT THE CORPORATIONS, KNOWING THAT ON THE LINE.
BU SAY LIKE, ABOUT HALF -- >> IT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYI LITIGATION, AND THEY'LL LOSE THE EARNING TAX BUT AT THE SAME TIME, TALKING ABOUT [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE -- I >> CHARLIE, THE EARNING TAX IS A GINORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY.
IT IS A JUSTIFIABLE -- >> WHICH ONE?
>> THE EARNING TAX.
JUSTIFIABLE TAX, AND IT'LL BE [INAUDIBLE].
>> BETTER GET USED TO IT.
>> NO.
>> THE POINT IS, DID NOT -- > THE CITY.
WHEN BUT, SARAH POINTS OUT, THE BIGGEST GROUP MOVING OUT IS FAMILIES.
-- THEY'RE NOT PAYING IT.
>> THE EARNINGS -- >> IT'S ALREADY, THE RESIDENT.
>> THE FAMILIES ARE BU T WE'RE SEEING SINGLE -- YOUNG MEN MOVING IN.
IT'S INTER THE CITY THE POPULATION DROPS.
THE EARNINGS TAX - >> IT WOULD BE -- >> WHY TALKING ABOUT CUTTING THE TAXES.
>> THAT I AGREE.
>> WE GO TO ST. CLAIRE, MISSOURI.
RAY HA TEACHER, [INAUDIBLE].
ONLY FANS.
MAKING -- A MONTH, PERFORMING SEX ACTS.
WELL, ST. CLAIRE OFFICIALS HAVE DECIDED TO SUSPEND HER FOR THE TIME, DO YOU THINK SHE SHOULD BE SUSPENDED?
>> N IN FACT -- SEX WORKER.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF SEX WORKERS.
MY VIEW, [INAUDIBLE].
PRIVATE, AND I THINK THAT YOU CONSIDER TO PAY TEACHERS BETTER.
BUT SHE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG.
IT WOULD NOT -- >> I IT'S VERY GOOD.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T DO THIS.
I THINK TEACHERS IT'S INAPPROPRIATE.
ALL OF THE -- ON THE SITE.
I DON'T THINK IN THE SCHOOL.
WOULD BE AS A TEACHER, ONLINE SEX WORK.
>> THERE IS A THIN ARE A PROFESSION TO THE LEARNING PROCESS IN THIS SCHOOL IF DETERMINE D THE GUY IS A TEACHER -- >> A >> AND DOING THIS THING, HE'S PERFECTLY IN HIS RIGHTS.
BUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT -- >> WAIT A MINUTE.
>> VIOLATED THE LAW.
>> A POINT, WHEN HE WAS DOING HIS SHAMAN THING.
THE SCHOOL CAN SAY, THIS IS A BIT MUCH.
&g >> WAIT, A SCHOOL LIKE THAT THE RIGHT -- >> HOW UPSET KIDS ARE WITH THEIR TEACHERS.
ONE GOT TO MEET HER TEACHER'S DAUGHTER.
THEY -- MY KIDS [INAUDIBLE].
BUT THE TEACHER WAS TEACHING BOYS AND GIRLS IN TENTH GRADE, THAT'S A MASSIVE DISTRACTION, AND I SUPPORT THIS WOMAN.
I THINK HER CAREER CAN REALLY TAKE OFF FROM WHAT SHE'S CHOSEN ON THE LUCRATIVE ACT.
>> SHE WAS AT A WEBSITE -- YOU HAVE TO PAY TO GET ON IT.
CONCEPTING ADULTS.
IT'S HER OWN PRIVATE TIME.
PEOPLE WILL MAKE A DISTRACTION ABOUT IT, INCLUDING SKIN COLOR OR SEXUALITY.
THEY COULD.
DISTRACTION.
THEY HAVE.
>> WAIT A MINUTE, WAIT A MINUTE.
PROSTITUTION IS LEGAL -- BUT THE KIDS -- ON THE WEEKEND, THAT WOULD BE OKAY WITH YOU GUYS?
>> IF IT'S LEGAL.
>> IT'S LE >> BY THE WAY, I THIS -- A FEW PEOPLE, AND HE IS A VERY UNUSUAL -- >> PERFECTLY OKAY, TO TEACH YOUR KIDS?
>> THE LAW -- >> THIS >> I THINK THIS IS ALL OKAY WITH YOU ALL.
YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT.
>> NOT BOTHER ME.
>> SCHOOL, WE HAD A PARENT WHO WAS A DANCER IN ONE OF THE CLUBS.
AND EVERYONE WAS COOL WITH IT.
NO BIG DEAL.
IT WASN'T A DISTRACTION.
>> AS A TEACHER, AND THE -- MIGHT SAY, IT'S A PRIVATE INTERNET THING.
KIDS WIL >> THAT'S THEIR PROBLEM.
SO FEW -- >> A >> MOVING ON.
THERE IS A SEX OFFENDER, NAMED TOM HENDERSON, AND DID YOU WRITE THE STORY?
>&g >> AND ABOUT 20 OR SO YEARS AGO, COMMITTED SODOMY WITH A 16-YEAR-OLD.
LIST, AND -- OFF LIMITS BUT THAT'S THE STATE LAW.
>> HE'S FILED A LAWSUIT CHALLENGING THAT LAW.
I THINK THIS IS A GOOD CASE HERE.
I TO TRICK OR TREATERS AND SNATCH ONE UP.
THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ACTUALLY KEEP THEM SAFE TO HAVE THE SIGNS OUT FRONT.
I HAVE YET TO SEE -- >> SO POLITI POPULAR.
WHETHER NOT THE SCENARIO, ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
EVERYONE, NO ONE IS OKAY WITH SEX OFFENDERS.
YOU HAVE TO DO THIS, AND THEY'LL ALL LOSING ON AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
ROUTINELY.
FIRST AMENDMENT SUITS WITH WELL INTENT BUT -- THEY -- RIGHTS LONG AFTER THIS.
>> THE SEX OFFENDERS TOO INCLUSIVE.
ON THE LIST FOR THEIR LI YOU'RE LIKE YOU SAY, THE LAW, NOBODY IS WILLING TO STAND UP.
THE LAW HAS GOTTEN MORE DRACONI DRACONIAN.
>> AGAINST THE MINOR.
AND TRICK-OR-TREATING IS WHEN A MINOR GOES UP TO YOUR DOOR AND RINGS THE BELL.
I THINK THE ONE SEX OFFENDER IS RECENTLY ON -- HE ACTUALLY DID APPROACH -- THE GUY LOOKING FOR, HE DID APPROACH A BOY WHO WAS A STRANGER.
>> ON THE STREET.
>> THIS LAWSUIT WAS INTERESTIN THEY MADE THE CASE THAT PROPELLED, THAT WASN'T IN SOME OF THE CRAZY COLORADO BAKER AND FLORIDA CASES.
THEY SHOULDN'T BE TELLING ME, I HAVE TO HAVE THE SIGN.
THAT'S WHERE THE -- IT'S GOING.
>> WE HAVE TWO MINUTES.
ONE OF THE HA HA'S OF THE THE CHECKS, FOR THE STAFFERS.
OTHERS ARE ON STRIKE.
>> WHEN THIS STARTED, IT WAS GOING -- ESTIMATED THE PEOPLE WERE FIRED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T STAY [INAUDIBLE].
HAD A HINT OF RACISM STATEMENT.
TAKEN AN ACTION ON THIS.
THAT'S LUDICROUS AND OUT OF CONTROL.
BUT DAYS LATER, NO, NO, THAT WAS MISCONSTRUED.
>> THAT'S -- >> ON IT WITH -- OR TA LK WITH VOLUNTEERS.
THEY HAVE FIRST, IT WAS [INAUDIBLE] HE WANTED A MEMORIAL WRITTEN FOR A FELLOW WHO DIED.
WHEN THAT DIDN'T, BULLY AND HARASSMENT -- [INAUDIBLE].
TO DO ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS.
>> UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE OUT OF TIME.
WE'LL TR NEXT WEEK.
AGREE WITH THE CONSTITUTION PROBLEMS -- PEOPLE ARE BARRELLING THROUGH RED LIGHTS, AND IT'S AN ISSUE.
THAT -- [INAUDIBLE].
TOM BAILEY OF WEBSTER GROVES WROTE -- I AGREE, FOR THE DC, WE SHOULD WELCOME AS MANY AS WE CAN.
I AM SURE ALL OF THE CLOSING -- ARE WELCOME AS WELL.
ROBERT, OF ST. LOUIS.
QUITE A DISCUSSION OF SHORT TERM RENTALS.
EVENT IN ST. LOUIS.
THE SHORT TERM RENTALS A HAVE A FORMAL EVENING TOGETHER.
THANK YOU.
>> THE BAD BLOOD STEMS FROM THE WEB, BEAT THE SISTER YEARS AGO FOR THE COUNTY COUNCIL SEAT AND RUNNING FOR REELECTION.
>> FROM -- YOU CAN WRITE US, OR E-MAIL.
AND POSTING.
CALL AND LISTEN.
AMY AND SPOTIFY, TUNE IN -- APPLE AND SPOTIFY.
THANKS FOR SILT SITTING IN FOR WENDY WIESE, WHO'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK.

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