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>> WE ARE HALF WAY THROUGH SEPTEMBER.

LOTS TO TALK ABOUT.

LET'S GET TO THE PANELISTS AND WE WILL GET TO OUR DISCUSSION.

>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US>> WENDY WIESE IS JOINING US.

AND THE POST DISPATCH, MR. BILL MCCLELLAN.

>> AND RIVER FRONT TIMES, AND HOSTS ST. LOUIS IN THE KNOW.

AND ALVIN REED.

>> WE WILL START WITH YOU, RAY, ENJOYED YOUR SHOW.

WE HEARD TRACY ON THE PROGRAM.

WE RECOMMEND RAY'S SHOW.

EVERY TIME YOU ARE TUNING INTO THE RADIO.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE RESULTS, NOT THE RESULTS, MARK MANTOVANI WHO RAN TWICE AS A DEMOCRAT AND NOW HE WANTS TO BE THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE FOR EXECUTIVE IN SAINT LOUIS COUNTY.

>> MARK MANTOVANI HAS A VERY GOOD CHANCE TO WIN.

UNLIKE ANYBODY ELSE THE REPUBLICANS MAY HAVE PUT UP TWO YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A FOUR-WAY PRIMARY, AND IT WAS THE PEOPLE WHO WERE OPPOSED TO THE INCUMBENTS, SAM PAGE, SPLIT IT THREE WAYS.

AND MARK MANTOVANI WAS IN THERE, SAM DID FINE, HE GOT 38 PERCENT DEMOCRATS AND MANTOVANI -- HE RAN AGAINST STEVE STINGER AND ALMOST WON THAT RACE.

HE HAS EXPERIENCE.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BIPARTISANSHIP IN COUNTY GOVERNMENT.

NONE OF THE ISSUES THAT FACE SAINT LOUIS COUNTY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN.

IF MANTOVANI IS ABLE TO PAK THIS ABOUT SAM PAIGE AND WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND INCLUDING MYSELF, A LACK OF COMPETENCE AND ETHICAL CHALLENGES, I THINK HE HAS A VERY GOOD CHANCE TO WIN.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, MANTOVANI DID COME CLOSE IN THE PRIMARY THE LAST TIME.

WHEN YOU ARE RUNNING A THIRD TIME, I MEAN, THAT'S LIKE, BOY, IT IS TOUGH TO OVERCOME THE IMAGE OF NOT QUITE GETTING THERE.

AND ALWAYS -- >> -- >> AND ALWAYS, WHEN CHRIS DID IT, I WILL CHANGE PARTIES BECAUSE THIS GIVES ME A BETTER CHANCE OF WINNING NOW.

THERE ARE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN BEING A REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT.

AND THE GOVERNMENT DOES HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.

I AM WAS A DEMOCRAT YESTERDAY AND NOW I WANT TO RUN AS A REPUBLICAN.

YOU ARE MORE INTERESTED IN OFFICE THANK TRULY SERVING THE PEOPLE.

I THINK HE GETS MORE VOTES THAN PINNER.

HE GOES DOWN AND RELATIVE EASE.

>> I CAN'T HANDICAP IT LIKE THAT.

I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE AWARE BECAUSE OF THE STALKING HORSE SITUATION, AND FRANKLY, COME ON, THEY SPLIT IT FOUR WAYS.

IF THERE HAD BEEN A 2-PERSON RACE IN THAT PRIMARY, THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN A VERY DIFFERENT STORY.

LIKE MANTOVANI HAS, HE HAS HAD A LOT OF TRACTION.

HE HAS BEEN ON KT RRSMONITOR WITH MCGRAW.

AND HIS PASSION FOR THE COUNTY, HIS PASSION FOR THE REGION RESONATED FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO HEAR HIM DURING THE EARLY PRIMARIES.

>> IT IS HARD TO BEAT AN INCUMBENT.

>> I AGREE.

>> SAM PAIGE IS WELL AHEAD.

>> THERE ARE CERTAIN STRUCTURING WITH BEING A DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, YOU GET UNIONS, TEACHERS AND THEY ARE ORGANIZED BEHIND YOU AS A MATTER OF FACT.

>> I HAVE GIVEN UP AN HANDICAPPING RACES.

>> I WILL SAY THIS, TO THE POINT ABOUT DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, THERE ARE -- AND I HAVE HAD ONE ABOUT DOING THE SHOW, I HAVE FOLLOWED THE COUNTY COUNSEL MORE THAN I DREAMT I COULD OR WOULD, AND THERE ARE FOUR DEMOCRATS AND THREE REPUBLICANS, SAM PAIGE ROUTINELY LOSES AND -- AND OUT VOTED AND THE THREE PEOPLE SUPPORTING HIM ARE WHITE WOMEN AND -- WHO IS ONE OF THE CONSERVATIVE -- >> IT DOESN'T MATTER.

>> IT DOESN'T MATTER.

>> [ALL TALKING AT ONCE].

>> ONCE AGAIN, I STILL THINK YOU HAVE A LOT OF SELF-SERVING PEOPLE.

I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M REPRESENTED BY ANYBODY.

>> MANTOVANI IS GOING TO BE BETTER AT NEGOTIATING THAN AN ANESTHESIOLOGYISTS.

>> GREEN TREE FESTIVAL.

>> MOTOWN REVIEW, TWO DAYS OF FUN AND SUN.

YOU HAVE TO WARM UP FOR IT.

>> THE CITY OF SAINT LOUIS, MEGAN GREEN DEFEATED JACK IN THE PRIMARY, 54 PERCENT OF VOTE AND 46 PERCENT FOR JACK.

6 PERCENT OF THE VOTERS CAME OUT TO VOTE.

THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE IN THIS WEIRD FASHION BOTH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS WILL GO TO FINALS IN NOVEMBER.

PEOPLE PROBABLY THOUGHT WHAT WAS THE POINT?

DO YOU THINK THIS MATTERS?

>> I THINK IT DOES.

IF YOU WANT TO WIN, I DON'T CARE IF IT IS 12 VOTES, I WOULD WANT TO GET 7 OF THEM.

I CAN WIN AND I SHOULD WIN.

I THINK THEY BOTH CAME OUT OF IT.

IT IS A DO-OVER, THAT'S WHY PEOPLE DIDN'T TURN OUT AND THE SAME TWO PEOPLE WILL BE ON THE BALLOT.

I THINK IT MEANS.

53 PERCENT IS 53 PERCENT.

>> I DON'T THINK IT MEANT ANYTHING.

I DON'T -- I HAPPEN, I THINK I'M GETTING SOFT IN MY OLD AGE.

I LIKE BOTH OF THEM.

THEY REPRESENT DIFFERENT INTEREST GROUPS WITHOUT QUESTION.

THE REASON THIS DIDN'T MATTER AND THE 6 PERCENT DIDN'T MATTER, IT IS BECAUSE OF THE UNUSUAL NATURE OF THE WAY THE APPROVAL VOTING IS WORKING.

I THINK IT IS FINE, BY THE WAY.

IT JUST HAPPENED THAT THERE WERE ONLY TWO CANDIDATES THAT WILL RUN AGAIN.

I LIKE THE SYSTEM.

IT COULD USE SOME REFINEMENT.

WHEN YOU HAVE THE SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE AND YOU HAVE TO RUN TWO PEOPLE AGAIN.

I THINK THAT IT IS GOING TO BE A VERY INTERESTING RACE.

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING THAT IN HIS STATEMENT AFTER THE ELECTION, COATA R, HE IS EXPECTING 12 TIMES THE TURN-OUT IN NOVEMBER THAT WE SAW ON TUESDAY.

I THINK HE SERIOUSLY IS WANTING TO GO OUT AND MEET THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.

BECAUSE HE STILL THINKS HE HAS A SHOT.

IF HE CAN GET THE VOTE OUT, I DON'T THINK -- I MEAN IT IS A LONG SHOT.

IT IS A SHOT.

>> I LIKE HIM.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, CORY -- >> I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT.

>> KIM GARDNER WON, AND JONES IS THE MAYOR.

THE IDEA THAT COATAR CAN ONE RUN IN THE MIDDLE RAIN WHEN MEGAN GREENE HAS THE FAR LEFT LANE.

>> CORY BUSH IS ON THE BALLOT ALSO.

>> THAT'S TRUE.

>> BUT THERE -- >> I REALIZE THAT -- NONE THE LESS, IF I'M GOING DOWN TO FIVOTE, I'M A CORY BUSH PERSON.

>> IT IS CLEAR THAT MEGAN GREEN WITH JONES' SUPPORT IS CERTAINLY THE FAVORITE.

I THINK -- I DON'T THINK TO CALL HER FAR LEFT.

SHE IS DIFFERENTLY PROGRESSIVE.

>> ALMOST FAR LEFT.

>> IS THE PROGRESSIVE MOMENT GETTING THE KIND OF RESULTS THAT THE VOTERS WANT?

>> WE'LL FIND OUT.

JACK COATAR HAS SUPPORT I GUESS WE -- >> OKAY, OKAY.

WENDY WIESE, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT TWO STATE CAPITOLS IN ILLINOIS AND SPRINGFIELD, THE GOVERNOR THERE, PRITZKER, HAS REDUCED FOOD AND GAS TAXES, AND NOW HE IS SENDING OUT REBATES BEFORE THE ELECTION.

THAT'S BECAUSE ILLINOIS HAS A BUDGET SURPLUS.

>> AND THE GOVERNOR OF MISSOURI WANTS TO DO THE SAME THING.

I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WILL WORK OUT.

HE WANTS REBATES GOING TO TAXPAYERS THAT ARE INCOME TAXPAYERS.

DO YOU LIKE THIS?

>> IT HAS LESS OF -- I DON'T KNOW, IT LANDS A LITTLE BIT SOFTER IN INDIANA THAN ILLINOIS WITH ALL OF THE CHALLENGES ILLINOIS HAS FOR THIS, I MEAN, IT IS POLITICS.

IT IS WHAT HAPPENS BEFORE AN ELECTION.

I LOVE THE WAY GOVERNOR PRITZKER WHEN ASKED ABOUT THE PROXIMITY AND HE LOOKED AT HIS TOES AND SAID IT IS A WHILE TO PROCESS EVERYTHING.

HE IS GIVING A CHRISTMAS GIFT EARLY.

>> I'M SORRY.

>> NO, NO.

>> IF YOU HAVE A SURPLUS, THERE'S A RIGHT WAY TO DO IT AND A WRONG WAY, NOT BECAUSE DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN.

WHAT MIKE PAR SONS IS TALKING ABOUT IS A PERMANENT HALF CENT CUT WILL HELP THE UPPER INCOME FOLKS.

WHICH IS WHAT YOU SHOULD NOT DO DURING A SURPLUS.

YOU VOLUNTARY TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE -- YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE ON HOW YOU GET REVENUES AS A STATE.

IF YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF MONEY AVAILABLE TO GIVE BACK TO PEOPLE SO SHE CAN STIMULATE THE ECONOMY.

>> OH, COME ON, RAY.

>> THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.

>> IN ILLINOIS, TWO WEEKS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TREMENDOUS TENSION PROBLEM THEY HAVE.

IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE A SURPLUS, THE GROW UP THING TO DO IS SAY, IT IS LIKE A FAMILY BUDGET.

ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE EXTRA MONEY, INSTEAD OF TREATING IT LIKE MAD MONEY, WE WILL GIVE IT TO ALL OF THE KIDS.

SAY WE HAVE THIS BIG DEBT.

LET'S PAY THAT TOWN.

>> BUT THAT'S NOT SEXY.

>> YOU SAID GIFTS.

THE GOVERNOR HAS TWO GIFTS THAT ARE GOING TO KEEP GIVING, LEGALIZED MARIJUANA AND GAMBLING.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, EVERY MONTH, THAT ILLINOIS TAKES IN ON TAXES, IT IS GOING AS MUCH AS MISSOURI'S BUDGET IN FIVE YEARS.

>> WAIT A MINUTE.

>> THE SINKHOLE ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE.

>> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS WHEN IT COMES TO MARIJUANA SALES.

THE PENSION IS MILLIONS.

>> NO, NO -- >> TAKE THE MONEY AND TRICKLE IT DOWN WITH THAT.

YOU COULD.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE REBATE CHECK.

HEY, I'M GOING TO GIVE THE PEOPLE SOME OF THE PEOPLE'S MONEY THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SPENDING.

I'M NOT SAYING THIS WILL FIX THE PENSION.

>> IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO FIX -- YOU CAN'T WAIT.

WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE, THAT IS ABOVE MY PAY RAISE.

>> NOT NECESSARILY.

IT IS NOT ABOVE OUR'S.

>> [LAUGHTER.]

>> YOU HAVE THE ANSWER FOR THAT.

>> IT IS CLEAR TO ME -- >> YOU LIKE PRITZKER BECAUSE HE IS A DEMOCRAT AND PARSON IS REPUBLICAN.

THEY ARE BOTH GIVING MONEY BACK TO THE TAXPAYERS.

THEY HAVE UNFUNDED PROBLEMS, THE PENSIONS, AND HOW ABOUT THE SEWERS.

>> WHEN YOU HAVE A TAX -- >> THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

>> IT IS STIMULATING.

IF YOU SEND THE MONEY BACK, HE NEVER SAID ABOUT THAT -- >> I THINK I WAS IN TROUBLE FOR LIKING MANTOVANI BECAUSE HE IS A REPUBLICAN.

AND NOW I LIKE PRITZKER BECAUSE HE IS A DEMOCRAT?

>> THE PARTY DOESN'T MATTER.

>> IT DOESN'T.

>> I LIKE PRITZKER BECAUSE HE IS A DEMOCRAT, AND REPUBLICANS -- >> SPEAKING OF MONEY, I HOPE IT IS NOT ABOVE OUR PAY RAISE, [LAUGHTER.]

IT MAY BE FOR SOME OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS.

THERE IS 512 MILLION DOLLARS THAT THE SPORTS AUTHORITY AND THE CITY GOT WITH THE RAM'S OWNER.

IT IS 512 MILLION DOLLARS.

FOR THE SECOND TIME IN THREE MONTHS, IT IS BEING REPORTED THAT THE MONEY IS BEING STUFFED IN A MATTRESS.

IT IS A LOW INTERESTING BEARING ACCOUNT.

WE ARE LOSING 28 THOUSAND DOLLARS A DAY BECAUSE THIS MONEY IS LAYING THERE!

AND VERY LOW INTEREST-ACHIEVING ACCOUNT.

IS THIS ON PURPOSE?

IT IS OVER THEIR HEADS?

THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING?

>> I THOUGHT MAYOR JONES AND THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE PAIGE WAS GOING TO WORK TOGETHER.

DIDN'T YOU THINK THAT?

THAT THEY WERE THE BONNIE AND CLYDE AND EVERYTHING WAS FINE.

>> I DON'T THINK THEY WERE CALLING THEMSELVES THAT.

[LAUGHTER.]

>> THEY ARE DOING THAT WITH THE TAXPAYER MONEY.

>> ROY ROGERS.

>> I LIKE THAT.

>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SERVICES THAT ARE NOT AVAILABLE TO CITY RESIDENTS AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN WITH THIS MONEY, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY CAN'T EVEN NEGOTIATE WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO WITH IT, OR WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO PUT IT, DOES NOT GOGO WELL.

>> YOU CAN GO TO A HIGHER INTEREST ACCOUNT.

DOES THAT INCREASE THE RISK?

IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THINGS WENT SOUTH ECONOMICALLY, VERY SUDDENLY, HOW MUCH -- IT WOULD BE THERE FAULT IF THEY LOST ALL OF THE MONEY.

>> BUT THAT'S WHAT LEADERS DO.

>> BUT, PUT LEADERS MAKE DECISIONS AND LEAVE THE MONEY WHERE IT IS AT.

ONCE WE MOVE IT, WE CAN'T TAKE IT OUT AS FAST.

YOU KNOW.

THERE ARE NUANCES THAT WE DON'T KNOW.

LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY -- >> THE BANKS SYSTEM WOULD HAVE TO CRASH.

>> MAYBE SOME NUANCES WE DON'T KNOW.

IF SOMETHING WOULD TO HAPPEN.

>> THE COMMITTEES OUGHT TO UNDERSTAND THE NUANCES.

THEY KEEP VOTING LET'S PUT THIS MONEY IN A SAFE MONEY MARKET SORT OF THING.

BUT PAYING A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THIS ONE.

I DON'T ENOUGH ABOUT FINANCES HOW POSSIBLE THAT IS.

>> I THINK MY MOTHER'S FLORIDA CHRISTMAS CLUB ACCOUNT GETS MORE INTEREST.

[LAUGHTER.]

>> I UNIQUELY KNOW LESS.

I DO.

I UNIQUELY NOT GOING TO COMMENT ON THIS, OTHER THAN TO SAY, IT IS SURPRISING, TO WENDY'S POINT, THE OFFICIALS SEEM TO GET ALONG, AT THIS POINT, IF THE PAPER IS CORRECT, IT IS THEIR DECISIONS.

IF ANYONE IS SPECULATING, THINK ABOUT EXPERTISE IN FINANCIAL AND INVESTMENT IN ST. LOUIS.

>> OH, MY GOSH.

>> ALL OF THE RESOURCES OUT THERE.

>> IN THEIR OWN ADMINISTRATION!

>> IT IS PUZZLING.

>> IT IS.

>> HOPEFULLY IT WILL GET FIXED SOON.

IT DOESN'T HELP HAPPEN -- >> I HOPE -- >> IN FACT, IT HURTS THEM.

>> WITHIN THE TOWERS WHERE WE HAVE THE FINANCIAL GENIUSES AND THEY SAY I KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON, AND IT IS FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

>> SPEAKING OF MONEY, BILL, CORTEX INNOVATION COMMUNITY IS DOWN THE STREET FROM CHANNEL 9, FOREST PARK AND TAYLOR AND, IT HAS GROWN, 400 BUSINESSES, 6000 EMPLOYEES AND SOME OF THE TOP NAMES ARE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, BJC WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY, AND OTHERS.

THEY ARE TRYING TO GROW BUSINESSES, HIGH TECH AND OTHERWISE.

THEY ARE ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION FOR THEIR TAX BREAK.

THEY WANT THE 80 OR SO IN MILLION DOLLARS IN TAX FINANCES SO THEY CAN BUILD A BIKE LINE AND MORE.

AND THE MAYOR OF ALDERMAN, SHE IS NOT SO SURE.

DO YOU THINK CORTEX SHOULD GET THE TAX BREAKS?

>> YES, I DO.

IT IS ONE THING THAT THE CITY IS DOING THAT IS WORKING.

IT IS A BIG SUCCESS AND THE TAX BREAKS WERE PROMISED BACK IN 2013.

NOT THAT THEY HAVE THEIR HAND OUT AGAIN NOW.

THIS WAS PROMISED TO US.

WE DIDN'T GET TO EVERYTHING YET.

WE WOULD LIKE IT EXTENDED.

I SAY YES, AS LONG AS THIS IS WORKING.

>> HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED.

>> YOU LOOK AT THEIR RECORD AND GO, OKAY, WE'LL EXTEND THIS FOR YOU.

NOT NECESSARILY GIVE YOU MORE.

>> I MAY THE ONLY ONE ON THE PANEL SAT THROUGH THE, TWICE, THE ZOOM CALLS.

THIS IS NOT ABOVE MY PAY GRADE.

AND TO ALL DUE RESPECT, THIS IS ABOUT COLLECTIVE BILLIONAIRES IN A SENSE OF -- WITH ALL OF THEIR ENDOWMENTS AND THIS IS ABOUT ENTITLEMENT.

ONE IS A DEVELOPMENT UNDERWAY, THAT'S WHAT THEY LEFT OUT.

IT IS A BAD IDEA BUT A BE DATEABLE.

THE PANDEMIC ATE THEIR HOMEWORK AND THEY HAVE DEALS THAT HAVE EXPIRED ONLY BECAUSE OF THEIR CLOUT DO THEY PEOPLE -- THE THING YOU LEFT OUT THEY WANT TO DO THIS OUT OF THE MOUTHS OF THE SCHOOL KIDS.

THEY WANT TO TAX ABATEMENTS FROM THE SCHOOLS WHICH THEY COULD BE GOING AND -- THEY HAVE ALL OF THE RESOURCES.

>> WE OUGHT TO GET RID OF CORTEX.

>> WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT GETTING RID OF THEM!

>> THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS WORKING.

>> IT IS GOING TO KEEP WORKING!

>> I'M AGAINST THIS TOO, BUT YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS WORKING, THEY WANT TO EXPAND.

>> EXCUSE ME!

>> -- THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD.

>> THEY DON'T NEED THE MONEY FROM THE SCHOOLS.

THEY ARE MAKING IT -- THEY CAN GO TO THE BANK.

>> NO, NO, WHAT THEY ARE NOT GETTING.

>> WHO DOES!

>> BUT, RAY, I GENERALLY, I AGREE WITH YOU ON TIFFS.

THEY WON'T GO TO THE SCHOOLS IF THEY DON'T BUILD.

AND THEY WOULD BUILD AND GET A PROPERTY TAX.

>> THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T NEED THIS.

THIS IS ABOUT THESE GUYS.

>> IT HAS A HALF BILLION DOLLARS FROM STAN.

IF THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE 5 MILLION DOLLARS.

>> THEY ARE NOT GOING TO LOSE THE MONEY!

>> ALL THAT THEY NEED IF THEY ARE SHORT -- THERE ARE TWO ISSUES.

WE ALL -- WE HAD SAM ON.

>> WHERE?

>> ON OUR SHOW.

>> LET'S GET HIM BACK ON.

>> YOU DON'T GET A LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD.

THEY WANT TO BE THE ONLY ENTITY THAT GETS TIFFS WITHOUT A PROJECT.

WHAT THEY ARE -- >> THAT'S TRUE.

>> TWO OF THE PROJECTS ARE UNNAMED.

>> GUESS WHO DOESN'T GET THAT?

EVERY OTHER DEVELOPER IN THE CITY.

IT IS ALL ABOUT POLITICS.

>> CAN I SAY SOMETHING?

>> WHEN ISN'T IT?

>> THE WHOLE THING WITH THE TIFF, YOU WILL HAVE SOME, AND SOME ARE RIDICULOUS.

IT IS A CASE BY CASE STUDY.

I WOULD HELP THEM OUT.

YOU ARE MAKING IT SOUND LIKE EVERYONE IS EVIL.

THAT JUST AIN'T RIGHT.

>> NO!

>> THEY HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD APPLAUD.

>> NO!

>> BILL, DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY -- ONE OF THE THINGS AND TINA HAPPENS TO BE -- >> WE'LL TALK ABOUT TINA.

>> HERE'S THE DEAL, ALL THEY HAVE TO, TWO TIFFS THAT ARE GOING TO EXPIRE.

THEY EXPIRE NEXT WEEK.

THEY CAN REAPPLY.

THEY WOULDN'T QUALIFY THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE A VICTIM OF THEIR SUCCESS.

THEY DON'T NEED THE TIFFS ANYMORE!

.

>> THEY TOTALLY DISAGREE.

>> YOU ARE WRONG.

>> EVERY GETS TIFFS.

>> WHAT ENTITIES GETS A TIFF THAT DESERVES A TIFF?

>> A LOT OF THEM.

TIFFS ARE A GOOD TOOL.

>> IF THEY REAPPLY, YOU WOULDN'T GIVE IT TO THEM?

>> THEY ARE NOT REAPPLYING.

>> ONE THING THEY ARE BRINGING PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.

THEY ARE DOING WORK -- >> NO!

>> EXACTLY, WE ARE -- >> WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A RESTAURANT.

>> EXCUSE ME, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT BRINGING PEOPLE IN FROM THE WORD.

>> WE ARE -- >> NO, I WANT -- >> I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.

>> BUT WHAT THEY ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING DRUGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING MADE IN CHINA AND DEVELOPING THEM SO WE ARE NOT RELYING ON CHINA.

>> WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

>> WHAT ARE YOU -- >> WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THE RELATIONSHIP THAT THE MAYOR HAS AS ADVERSARY?

>> NO.

>> NO, SHE WAS RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

AND CORTEX NEED TO BE, WHEN WE DO PROJECT, TAKE CARE OF THEM.

>> JONES SAYS THAT.

SHE IS IN FAVOR.

>> SHE IS AN ARGUING THAT THEY HAVE TO STEP UP AND DO SOCIALLY POSITIVE THINGS.

MY POINT TO YOU, I THINK CORTEX IS FABULOUS.

>> WE ARE NOT BILLIONAIRES [ALL TALKING AT ONCE].

>> NO, NO -- >> OKAY.

>> WE HAVE TO WRAP IT UP.

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