Donnybrook
Donnybrook: September 21, 2023
Season 2023 Episode 58 | 27m 47sVideo has Closed Captions
Charlie Brennan debates with Wendy Wiese, Bill McClellan, Alvin Reid, and Ray Hartmann.
Charlie Brennan debates with Wendy Wiese, Bill McClellan, Alvin Reid, and Ray Hartmann. Topics include the cancelled Moonlight Ramble, red light cameras, the St. Charles City County Library, Webster University protest, political donations to the St. Louis County Council, and more.
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Donnybrook
Donnybrook: September 21, 2023
Season 2023 Episode 58 | 27m 47sVideo has Closed Captions
Charlie Brennan debates with Wendy Wiese, Bill McClellan, Alvin Reid, and Ray Hartmann. Topics include the cancelled Moonlight Ramble, red light cameras, the St. Charles City County Library, Webster University protest, political donations to the St. Louis County Council, and more.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship>>> DO YOU REMEMBER, A 21ST NIGHT OF SEPTEMBER.
YOU WILL AFTER THIS SHOW.
THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR DONNYBROOK.
BILL MCCLELLAN, RAY HARTMANN, NOT ONLY FOUNDER OF THE TIMES BUT HE ADMITS IT.
AND THE COLUMNIST, RAY HARTMANN AND ALVIN REID.
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ALL RIGHT, WE'RE STARTING WITH YOU, BILL.
IT WASN'T A GOOD WEEK FO LOUIS MOONLIGHT RAMBLE.
FOR QUARTER CENTURY HISTORY IT WAS CALCIUMED AT THE LA -- CANCELLED AT THE LAST MINUTE.
HE SAID THERE WERE ALL S COMMOTION WITH PEOPLE RIDING THEIR THREE WHEELE MINI SCOOTERS AROUND THE RACE.
AND ORGANIZERS FELT THEY COULDN'T MAKE THE RACE SAFE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS SAYS ABOUT ST. LOUIS ?
WE CANCELLED THE LABOR DAY PARADE.
>> WE ARE, AND I THINK THESE ARE SEPARATE THINGS.
A FRIEND OF MINE LIVES IN THE CENTRAL, AND PARTICIPATED IN THE MOONLIGHT RAMBLE EVERY YEAR.
AND WAS REALLY DEPRESSED ABOUT IT.
BARRICADES TO DRIVE THROUGH.
AND WHAT MR. RICH WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS DOWNTOWN.
ANOTHER NIGHT OF CHAOS DOWNTOWN.
THE SCOOTERS AND THE THREE WHEELERS, AND I JUST FOUND IT DEPRESSING WE CAN NO LONGER HAVE SOMETHING LIKE A BEAK RIDE, TH SECURE OF SIX MILES OF STREETS AND I WOULD LIKE T MAYOR, THE POLICE CHIEF RESCHEDULE THIS IN TWO WEEKS AND YOU AND I WILL RIDE IN IT.
AND IT'S -- WE CAN DO THIS.
THE IDEA THAT, WELL, IT'S CHAOS DOWNTOWN WE CAN'T COPE.
I FOUND IT DEPRESSING.
>> YOU SOUND ON THAT ONE.
I THINK I'LL SHUT UP.
ALL RIGHT, RESCHEDULED, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
THERE YOU GO.
WHAT I DID THINK OF, THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SECURITY.
BUT SOUNDED LIKE SECURITY WAS -- >> BOLTED.
>> DIDN'T DO THEIR JOB.
THERE HAD TO BE SOME TYPE OF CORRELATION OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE MORE POLICE.
THAT'S WHO HIRED THE SECURITY PEOPLE TO KEEP THE PLACE SECURE, THEN THE ORGANIZERS ARE PARTLY AT FAULT.
>> THEY >> I AGREE, IT'S A SHAME.
IF YOU C IF YOU CAN'T DO THINGS LIKE THAT -- >&g PEOPLE.
SINGLE WEEK WE GO THROUGH THE LITANY OF CHALLENGES THIS CITY IS FACING.
FO A LOOP.
WEEK AFTER WEEK AFTER I'M SURPRISED THERE WAS A MOONLIGHT RAMBLE AT ALL.
FROM 9/11 TO THE LITTL LOST HER LEGS.
>> I'M NOT.
REALLY, THE REST OF THE -- BECAUSE WHAT WE CAN'T HAVE, OBVIOUSLY WE TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES AND WE BUT WE CAN'T HAVE A -- WE CAN'T GIVE UP.
I'M NO ANYTHING.
MOST OF US ARE SAFE, AND WE CAN'T GIVE UP.
I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAY WE HAVE TO -- AND I DO T CAN START WITH THE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP IN THE AND LEADERS, BUSINESS LEADERS FOR THAT MATTER.
STATING AFFIRMATIVELY, GOING TO TAKE THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ON.
MANY TIMES FROM STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RIVER, PEOPLE DIDN'T DEPART, AND THEY HAD TO CALL -- >> THE 911 SYSTEM IS SO POORLY STAFFED AND THEN THE RAILWAY EXCHANGE, THE LARGEST BUILDING IN THE COUNTRY AND PAERLT THE -- THE OWNER HAS NO SECURITIED.
THE HOTEL -- SECURITY, THE HOTEL AROUND THE CORNER FROM US, APPARENTLY IS A HORRIBLE PLACE TO LIVE.
KNOW WHERE IN A HAND BASKET.
>> THEY'RE IN TROUBLE -- >> BUT -- THAT C OWNERSHIP OF THE BUILDING.
>> &g BE HONEST, I HAVE DONE THE RAMBLE TWICE.
I WAS YOUNGER.
I WOULDN'T DO IT, THAT SOUNDS FUN, BUT I'LL PASS ON THAT.
BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IT GAVE ME PERFECTLY GREAT EVENING LIKE IN THE PAST.
FOR SOME R THE MIDNIGHT BIKE RIDE DOWNTOWN.
>> IF MAYOR JONES HAS A JESUS PRESS CONFERENCE, IF SHE WERE AS STRONG, IF SHE CONVEYED THE SAME STRENGTH TO THE CRIMINALS, AS SHE DOES WITH HER DEMEANOR, I THINK THAT CHANGES MIGHT -- THINGS MIGHT CHANGE.
>> I SAID TH THE DAY WE'LL HAVE A PRESS CONFERENCE, AND NOT TALK ABOUT BEING GENTEEL >> TO HER CREDIT, SHE DID HAVE HARSH WORDS FOR ST. LOUIS ENS AFTER THE TRAGEDY.
AND ALSO A PRESS CONFERENCE THIS WEEK WHERE SHE TALKED ABOUT BRINGING BACK RED LIGHT CAMERAS AND TRAFFIC CAMERAS.
THEY ARE ALL BUT GONE IN THE STATE OF MISSOURI AFTER SUCCESSFUL LITIGATION IN FRONT OF SUPREME COURT IN 2015.
DO YOU THINK IT'LL COME BA ST. LOUIS ?
DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD IN THE CURRENT FORM THEY ARE.
MY OBJECTION TO TH STRUCTURE, THE FACT THAT THE BASIC -- THERE'S A DEFECT.
A STRUCTURAL -- >> YOU WROTE >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HECK I SAID.
>> ANYWAY, THE COMPANIES THAT THEY OUT SOURCE THIS TO, MORE MONEY THE MORE CRIME IS FOUND.
-- INCENTIVE TO TAKE STEPS THAT ACTUALLY ENCOURAGE MORE VIOLATIONS.
A GOOD EXAMPLE O LIGHTS ARE KNOWN TO CUT DOWN, A LITTLE BIT AT LEAST THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE RUNN LIGHTS.
GUESS LIGHTS, THERE ARE OTHER ISSUE SAYS WITH THIS.
AND -- ISSUE THE BIG ONE IS, IF TO DO THIS, WITH AN OUTSIDE COMPANY, NEEDS TO BE A FLAT FEE AND NOBODY SHOULD GET INSEPTEMBER VISED FOR HIGHER NUMBER OF VIOLATORS.
>> THERE WAS A SAN ANTONIO LAW FIRM, IT HAS TO BE ADMINISTERED BY SOMEONE OUTSIDE OF ST. LOUIS .
>> SAN ANTONIO IS WHERE -- LETTERS CAME FROM.
>> THE LAWYER'S THING.
>> WHO WAS IT -- >> HERE'S TH IDENTIFY THE DRIVER, WHICH IS NOT AN EASY THING TO DO, IN TH CITY, SOMETIMES PEOPLE DRIVE AROUND WITHOUT LICENSE PLATES.
BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING A POLICE OFFIC TAKE A LOOK AT A PHOTO OF THE DRIVER AND TRY TO MATCH IT TO A GOVERNMENT RECORD.
>> NO.
>> THI TO COMPLY.
>> L >> AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOU POLICE OFFICERS.
SHANE CONE WHO DID THIS, HE MADE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO MAKE THIS.
THEIR BEST WITH IT.
I CONTINUE T CONCEPT.
WE GOT THAT.
>> I STILL THINK YOU HAV SOMETHING.
THIS.
RIGHT DIRECTION.
>> IS I THINK IT'S TOTALLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
THE ROBBERS ARE.
THIS IS THIS IS JUST WRONG.
YOU KNOW WHO END UP WITH T IS PEOPLE WITH NO MONEY.
THEY'LL HIRE A LAWYER AND GO TO THE $50 TICKET PERSON, I'VE ONLY BEEN THERE ONCE, AND SAY, I'LL SEE YOU IN COURT.
WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME OR MONE TO LITIGATE THESE CASES.
YOU'RE CREATING ANOTHER TYPHOON OUT OF NOTHING.
IT WON'T RAISE GIVE PEO >> I >> MORE REASON NOT T ST. LOUIS.
LIKE >> HOW ABOUT IF THERE WAS WAY, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO BEAT THE YELLOW AND JUST GO TO R THE REAL DANGER PEOPLE WHO LULL THROUGH THE RED.
>> YEAH.
>> A >> ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO TELL YOUR YOU'RE TEACHING THEM HOW TO DRIVE, IS GREEN DOESN'T ALWAYS BEEN GO.
>> ANDY, VIEWER OF T SUPPORTER OF CHANNEL 9 HE POSTED PHOTOS OF THE CARS BARRELLING THROUGH THE LIGHTS NEAR HIS RESTAURANT.
WHY DOES BUMPS OR A POLICE OFFICER THERE?
WHY IS THERE SUCH INERTIA TO TAKE CARE OF THESE PROBLEMS?
>> THE SPEED IDEA, BUT THE POLICE STAFFING ISSUE -- >> THAT'S NOT THE -- I TH INK THAT'S THE BIG PROBLEM.
I THINK THE STAFFING AND THE PRIORITIES.
WE HAVE SO MANY TOPICS TO TALK ABOUT.
ARE UPSET WITH THE BOOKS IN THE LIBRARY.
OF TRUSTEES FOR THE LIBRARY LAST WEEK.
BOOKS INCLUDING "IT'S PERFECTLY NORMAL", AND THEN A BOOK CALLED "BANG LIKE A PORN STAR".
THEY WANT THE BOOKS OFF THE SHELVES.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> I THINK THEY SHOULD NOT BE ON THE SHELVES, IF YOU WANT THEM AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, IN THE SAME WAY THAT PSEUDOEPHEDRINE AND OTHER MEDICATIONS THAT ARE USED AND THAT ARE USED FOR ONE THING, BUT CAN BE USED FOR OTHER PURPOSES AS WELL, TAKE A CARD TO THE LIBRARY AND HAVE THE TRANSACTION THAT WAY IF IT SHOULD BE IN THE LIBRARY, AT ALL.
>&g BEING IN THE LIBRA AGREE WITH YOU.
THERE IS NO, THERE AREA.
OUT.
BOOKS.
THEY DON THEY'RE MORE KRPD OF GOING DOWN THERE -- CONCERNED OF GOING DOWN THERE, AND DON'T BACK DOWN TO THAT.
THE CARD I BELIEVE THAT'S A GOO >> I DON'T LIKE IT.
IF YOU WANT IT, NOBODY IS MAKING ANYONE TAKE A BOOK OUT OF THE LIBRARY.
GET ANY OF THE BOOKS, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO BE IN THE OLD DAYS, GO TO THE BOOK STORE, THE DRUGSTORE AND THE GUY COMES BACK WITH A PAPER BAG WITH YOUR MAGAZINE IN THERE -- >> I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.
TELL US OF THOSE DAYS.
>> I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ON THE SHELVES.
>> I LITTLE KIDS?
>> SURE.
>> THE LITTLE KIDS.
AND THEN, THE REST OF THE LIBRARY SHOULD BE THE ADULT SECTION.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT -- >> >> A SIGN THAT SAYS CHILDREN'S LIBRARY.
>> WHAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT TH I'M WITH BILL.
I'M FINE WITH THEM ON SHELVES.
>> AND I A WE HAD THIS DIVIDE IN THE COUNTRY OF RED AND BLUE, IT'S THE PRODEMOCRACY SIDE AND THE ANTIDEMOCRACY SIDE.
WE NEED TO GET BACK TO A PLACE WHERE NOBODY IS FORCING ANYONE TO GO TO THE LIBRARY.
NOT TODDLERS, TH ISSUE.
THE MAKE A CULTURE WAR STATEMENT.
SICK OF IT.
>> I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT.
>> I'M WITH YOU, YOU'RE EITHER FOR SPEECH OR NOT.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE MOMS IN ST. CHARLES ARE THEY AS CONCERNED AS GUNS?
WE'RE BANNING BOOKS, BUT GUNS YOU CAN CARRY.
>> AND I'M NOT SURE NECESSARILY AGAINST GUN RIGHTS.
>> I'M NOT EITHER.
>> SHO I'M NOT KIDDING.
>> AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE >> NOT THE REAL GUNS AND AM THE MAGAZINE.
>> A PLAN BY ST. LOUIS ATTORNEY, WHO HAS ALREADY STARTED CAMPAIGNING THE REFUGEES TO ST. LOUIS , NOW HE'S TURNING ATTENTION TO THIS AGE OF MANY PEOPLE, TO BRING IN LATINO IMMIGRANTS.
BUT, IF YOU'RE A LATINO, YOU KNOW THAT ST. LOUIS HAS ONE OF THE LOWEST PERCENTAGES OF SPANISH SPEAKING PEOPLE, ABOUT 2% LATINO, AND MORE LIVING IN ST. CHARLES COUNTY, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO COME TO ST. LOUIS ?
DOING, I GO THERE TO GET MY TORTILLAS.
I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL THING TO HAVE MORE AND MORE IMMIGRANTS COME AND I SALUTE ANY EFFORT T BRING THEM HERE.
AND YOU READ ABOUT ST. LOUIS , AND IT'S -- 1890, 1900, AND THEY TALK ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT LANGUAGES YOU COULD HEAR ON THE STREETS AND THERE WERE NEWSPAPERS IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.
AND THE BIG DRAW FOR LATINOS THAT I TALK TO IS ALWAYS, THIS IS A CHEAP PLACE TO LIVE.
CHICAGO AND LA HAVE LARGER LATINO COMMUNITIES, BUT IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE.
COME HERE, IT'S A CHAIN THING.
THEY TELL THEIR RELATIVES, ST. LOUIS IS A NICE PLACE TO LIVE.
AND IT'S RELATIVELY INSPECHS.
THIS IS A WONDERFUL THING.
>> A JERRY IS A AND EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN HAVING A CAN DO, HAVING THE SELF-FULFILLING PROPHESY.
WE OBVIOUSLY AS A REGION CONCERNED ABOUT POPULATION.
AND, ST. LOUIS FOR WHATEVER FAULT IT HAS, GENERALLY WELCOMING PLACE TO OUTSIDERS.
AND IT WOULD BE IN THIS CASE, THE EXAMPLE OF THE MUSLIMS IS A GOOD ONE.
THEY DON'T WHERE THEY CAME.
IN THIS CASE, THE MUSLIMS ALL OVER THE COMMUNITY.
JUST WHEN THEY CAME TO THE CITY.
I THINK THAT WE ABSOLUTELY COULD MAKE THIS A CALLING CARD AND THOSE WOULD FORM A COMMUNITY TO START WITH, THAT -- I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
>> I TO THE CITY, WHERE DO YOU GET DOMINICAN ICE?
THERE'S SO MAN THAT VERY FEW PEOPLE SPEAK SPANISH IN OUR AREA COMPARED TO OTHER PARTS OF THE UNITED STATES.
LANGUAGE.
>> BUT WE'RE WELCOMING CITY.
AND MAYBE YOU CAN GET THE ICE IN NEW YORK OR CHICAGO, BUT THE COST OF LIVING IS QUITE A BIT HIGHER.
>> AS INDIVIDUALS, HERE, THERE, EVERYWHERE WE ARE.
I CAN'T SAY THAT ST. LOUIS , LOUIS COUNTY IS WELCOMING TO PEOPLE FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD.
I DON'T TH >> I THINK THERE'S MORE OF THAT.
>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
HOW WELCOMING ARE THE STUDENTS AND THE FACULTY WHEN IT COME THE CHANCELLOR AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSIT THIS WEEK THE STUDENTS PROTESTED THE CHANCELLOR'S MILLION DOLLAR SALARY AND THE PRESIDENT'S $858,000 SALARY.
THEY VOTED NO -- AGAINST THE CHANCELLOR.
&g CONFIDENCE VOTES.
CONFIDENCE IN YOU BECAUSE YOU EXPECT ME TO WORK 37 AND HOURS A WEEK.
THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS.
BASED ON THE SHOW LAST WEEK, I GUESS EVERYONE WATCHED IT.
I THINK IT'S A PRIVATE SCHOOL.
AND THIS PRIVATE SCHOOL DECIDED OUR CHANCELLOR CAN BE PAID $1 MILLION.
DECIDES IT'S TOO HIGH, THE NEXT PERSON SHOULDN'T GET IT.
THEY DIDN'T EARN APPROXIMATE $1 MILLION, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.
LOOKING FOR A NEW CHANCELLOR.
>> MORE FOR THEIR MONEY.
WHOEVER THEY HIRE, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE COMING IN HERE FOR $250,000 A YEAR.
IF SHE MAKES A MILLION MUCH IS THE NEXT ONE GOING TO MAKE?
THINK THEY'LL HIRE SOMEONE THEY'LL LIKE I SAID, $250,000 AND IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
>> I THINK YOU CAN GET SOMEONE PLENTY GOOD.
>> I A BUT THAT >> WE'LL SEE.
I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A SLAP IN THE FACE TO A LOT OF WEBSTER -- >> THE ALUMS.
>> LAST WEEK, IN THE PRIVATE WORLD, CEO'S GET PAID MORE THAN THEY SHOULD, EVEN WHEN THINGS GO BAD.
EXPERIENCE.
>> THEY'RE GONE, THAT MAKES IT HARDER I THINK TO SWALLOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE -- IN THIS SITUATION IN ST. LOUIS.
IT DOESN'T COMPETE ANYMORE.
>> I THINK WE'RE ALL AVAILABLE.
>> I THINK WE'RE ALL ACUTELY AWARE, WHAT WE THINK, DOESN'T MATTER.
THE STUDENTS AND FACULTY ATTENDING AT THE UNIVERSITY.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> AND THAT'S AN ENT DIFFERENT -- THAT'S THE CONSTITUENTS THAT CAN'T BE IGNORED.
OUT.
SULLIVAN -- RECEIVED POLITICAL DONATIONS FROM BOEING AT THE SAME TIME THEY VOT BOEING $155 MILLION IN TAX BREAKS.
&g WEB, HE QUOTED, YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH RAY.
AND YES, ON THIS ONE, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH CORPORATIONS GIVING MONEY TO POLITICIANS WHE ABOVE BOARD.
WE KNOW THAT BOEING GAVE M TO DR. PAYNE.
WE KNOW THAT BOEING GAVE MONEY TO THESE PEOPLE.
THAT'S F GIVING MONEY TO BOEING WAS A GOOD IDEA AND MR. SULLIVAN GOES ALONG WITH MY PARTNER HERE, RAY.
>> AS A GEMINI, I CAN ARGUE WITH RAY.
TOM IS ANOTHER GOOD CITIZEN AND WATCHDOG, I DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH, BUT, I GENERALLY -- >> LET'S SEE WHAT TOM HAD TO SAY.
WE'RE ABOUT TO GO TO.
THERE WE ARE.
HE WROTE I BOEING HAD $100 BILLION IN REVENUE AND 15 BILLION IN PROFIT.
ST. LOUIS COUNTY.
THANK YO AND WE ALSO HEARD FROM KEN NICHOLAS.
TRANSFORMED THE UNIVERSITY IN THE 60S AND 70S, AND THE L SHOULD NEVER REMAIN IN THAT POSITION FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS.
MORRIS FLETCHER, WROTE, ALLOWI COUNTIES TO FREEZE SENIOR CITIZEN PROPERTY TAXES CONTI THE ATTEMPT BY CONSERVATIVE LAWMAKERS TO -- PUBLIC EDUCATION WHILE ATTRACTING SENIOR VOTES.
AND, CHARLIE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WHEN HE CORRELATED THE HIGH COST OF -- OF THE ADMINISTRATORS AND THEIR OUTRAGEOUS SALARIES.
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